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Learning & News => Announcements [ANN] => Topic started by: icopress on June 17, 2024, 12:13:40 PM
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As far as I can tell, RoyalMix submitted a request to withdraw my deposit on the PROBIV forum on August 19. They still haven't contacted me.
At the moment I see that the RoyalMix website is not responding. I also see that RoyalMix has reduced the deposit that was on xss from 0.5 BTC to 0.0008 BTC (at the same time I see that on the Probiv (https://probiv.space/threads/royalmix-mikser-s-samymi-chistymi-birzhevymi-bitkoinami.156113/) forum Royal still has a deposit of $5000. I edited the thread name by removing the "Escrow 0.5 BTC" postscript.
I do not exclude that the deposit was withdrawn to be spent on marketing, and the site is under maintenance, but I decided to make a notification. I'll come back here as soon as I have news.
I can confirm that the letter of guarantee is valid and that the funds were received at the RoyalMix address but were not returned.
Unfortunately.
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At the moment, RoyalMixer is considering options on which forums they can make a deposit.
Besides I am also discussing with them the possibility of validating Bitcoin reserves.
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Whoa, a new player in the mixer game! Nice and welcome
At the moment, RoyalMixer is considering options on which forums they can make a deposit.
Besides I am also discussing with them the possibility of validating Bitcoin reserves.
Does this mean that they want to find someone for escrow or just to confirm the status of the reserves?
It would be great if they had their representative here, it helps when you get direct answers and explanations.
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Welcome to the forum, I checked the website over Clearnet, and the website works sleek.
What amounts do you accept for cleaning?
The minimum amount is 0.003 BTC, and the maximum is 50 BTC per transaction. Amounts below the minimum will be considered as donations.
Can you make sure the maximum amount can be mixed is 50 BTC, because on the website I found it supports up to 250 BTC
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/17/clkwf.png)
Initial impressions, less deposit amount makes it privacy is affordable for small HODLers too, and the flexible fee along with the lesser period for mixing is an added advantage.
Here is the breakdown of the commission rate if anyone wonders
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/17/clvEZ.png)
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Also studied the official site of RoyalMix and from the interesting for users found the presence of an affiliate program (https://royalmix.io/partners). In fact, this is a competitive advantage, because not every Bitcoin mixer now has an affiliate program. The terms are very generous, RoyalMix offers partners 50% of its profits, and judging by the table with the commissions of the mixer above, we can conclude that you can earn pretty good money by attracting new active users to RoyalMix.
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Great to see a new mixer in the forum, welcome RoyalMix, i wish you guys success in business.
At the moment, RoyalMixer is considering options on which forums they can make a deposit.
I don't think i understand you well friend, do they want to escrow funds? If that is the case, there are reputable users that offer escrow services on bitcointalk, i don't know if some or any of them teleported their accounts here.
By the way, validating BTC reserves would be great and would ensure better transparency.
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icopress I appreciate you for bringing a new mixer to the forum. I will definitely test the service to know how it works. I also welcome the mixer (RoyalMix) to the forum. Together we build the mixer more stronger. Nice seeing you here.
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Nice to see another new mixer in forum!
It seems that regulators are cutting privacy brunches, but more privacy tools are appearing like mushrooms.
RoyalMix claims to be the best mixer in the market with unique algorithm... this is a bold claim.
(https://i.ibb.co/XYMV4S0/imgdff79c17eff4fbf27f72834d6e49869c.jpg)
We are always in touch. You can contact us in tegram (https://t.me/royalmix_io) or by email.
Just make a small correction from tegram to telegram ;)
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I welcome RoyalMix to the forum! After a long wait we're seeing a new mixer entering the market and I'm pretty sure they'll do very good in long run. I wish them best of luck and long term success.
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I noticed some similarity between royalmix and https://coinroyale.com casino, but by reviewing the code of the two pages are written by a different developer.
The service fees are variable, but what I did not understand how mixer ask for 1.5% as a fee for mixing 10 Bitcoin and 2% for mixing 1 Bitcoin while 5% is for 0.1 and 6% is for 0.01.
Zero fee policy for transactions below 0.0029 BTC is great but bad for 0.003 where you will pay highest 7.5% fees.
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Welcome RoyalMix. It is great to have you in this forum. :)
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/06/18/hUZO9.jpeg)
I see there is an affiliate program on the site. How the mechanism (details) of this program?
It is interesting to join this program. I mean if I can successfully invite some of my friends to create accounts and use the services of RoyalMix, is this categorized as an affiliate? How I store their data to RoyalMix team? Honestly, I'm interested in this affiliate program. :)
Anyway, if it is possible, it seems will be very helpful of there is a chat box on the site. We can talk any issue and communicate with the teams and other members/users there.
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There's a new mixer in this forum, and it's just glad that they didn't make a mistake in choosing the manager to oversee Royalmix because @icopress is proven and tested; I had no doubt for him, actually.
And it looks like this Royalmix will have a lot of Royal members on this platform. And I also know that it can do more than the expectations of those who will use this mixer, so let's see what fantastic performance it can show to the users.
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Welcome RoyalMix. It is great to have you in this forum. :)
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/06/18/hUZO9.jpeg)
I see there is an affiliate program on the site. How the mechanism (details) of this program?
It is interesting to join this program. I mean if I can successfully invite some of my friends to create accounts and use the services of RoyalMix, is this categorized as an affiliate? How I store their data to RoyalMix team? Honestly, I'm interested in this affiliate program. :)
Anyway, if it is possible, it seems will be very helpful of there is a chat box on the site. We can talk any issue and communicate with the teams and other members/users there.
As a rule, it is possible to invite friends through your referral link to affiliate programs. Here specifically pay not for the registration of new users, and RoyalMix shares its income with partners. Namely 50% of the profits are affiliate royalties. Data on the attracted users of the mixer are stored on the side of RoyalMix, not on the side of the partner.
To register in the affiliate program you need to:
1) Go to the page https://royalmix.io/partners (https://royalmix.io/partners).
2) Follow the registration link.
3) Enter your bitcoin address in the field and make up a password.
That's it, your affiliate account has been created. Inside the account you will find all the information you need. Including referral link for Clearnet and Orion, statistics on your referrals, payment history, support contacts. You can also set the minimum amount of affiliate payouts there.
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It looks convincing and great functionality with good looks. Attract many users with what you offer.
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It is appreciated that in the times we live in (in which some Bitcoin service developers are persecuted) there are still brave people willing to offer services like the one offered by RoyalMix.io. Welcome to the forum and thanks also to @icopress.
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You should mention that the affiliate program registration has specific password requirements, and most password managers generate passwords that are not valid for the website.
This is from the partners.js script that I found on the RoyalMix website:
// Валидация пароля
function validatePassword(password) {
const regex = /^(?=.*[a-z])(?=.*[A-Z])(?=.*\d)(?=.*[%_$#@!])[A-Za-z\d%_$#@!]{7,}$/;
return regex.test(password);
}
So it wants a password that contains only letters, numbers, and a symbol from the list %_$#@! and is at least 7 characters long.
(of course, I will add this mixer to the directory ASAP.)
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(of course, I will add this mixer to the directory ASAP.)
Give them a few days. To get the first confirmation of functionality and any reply from their side. (Don't do it like with Zeusmex)
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So it wants a password that contains only letters, numbers, and a symbol from the list %_$#@! and is at least 7 characters long.
In my opinion normal password requirements. The lower limit of 7 characters may be small, but otherwise everything else corresponds to modern information security recommendations for password compilation. And most password generators with default settings will just make the password longer, but it will still fit the requirements of the RoyalMix affiliate program.
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You should mention that the affiliate program registration has specific password requirements,
There isn't much difference in its requirements and that of other websites i have come across. Why do you say most password managers wouldn't generate a password that is valid in the website? Even if that is the case, it is not hard to follow the requirements and create a strong password manually.
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One small ''issue'' I noticed with RoyalMix website is that by default website sometimes opens with Russian language, and I need to change back to English language.
There is also texts that still shows Russian language, even after I selected English.
(https://i.ibb.co/pLQ8tph/imge4c66c634bd3be5567a5fbdae3df8f6c.jpg)
(of course, I will add this mixer to the directory ASAP.)
Did you actually try to mix bitcoins with RoyalMix, or you just registered for affiliate account?
I prefer to first test any service that I recommend and/or advertise, that should apply for all website with list of mixing services.
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(of course, I will add this mixer to the directory ASAP.)
Did you actually try to mix bitcoins with RoyalMix, or you just registered for affiliate account?
I prefer to first test any service that I recommend and/or advertise, that should apply for all website with list of mixing services.
No, I haven't, but that is mainly because I can not conveniently verify the AML scores of a bitcoin address myself.
In the future, I plan to add for all mixers a column where I put the AML score of mixed bitcoins after manually verifying them.
But we are getting a bit off-topic here :)
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One small ''issue'' I noticed with RoyalMix website is that by default website sometimes opens with Russian language, and I need to change back to English language.
There is also texts that still shows Russian language, even after I selected English.
(https://i.ibb.co/pLQ8tph/imge4c66c634bd3be5567a5fbdae3df8f6c.jpg)
I am also confirming that this issue exists but for me, after I changed the default language to EN, the page loads in Russian then after a couple of seconds it switched back to EN on its own I didn't have to change the language every time, is it the same for you too or you have to change the language after every page?
I guess the site needs some optimization as a final touch I hope it all will be addressed and resolved as soon as possible.
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Findingnemo, I just checked and if I switch from Russian to English, the language doesn't change back. The whole interface works correctly in English, I clicked some links from the menu on purpose. The test was done on a personal computer in Google Chrome browser version 126.0.6478.62.
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RoyalMix does have generous affiliate program, maybe one of the best from mixers, but they have to prove themselves as being reliable first.
I have to report more translation issues, on Affiliate Program page there is a mix of English and Russian language, and that should be corrected.
There are maybe few more similar cases and I am asking other members to report if they see something like this.
(https://i.ibb.co/cyvL7gY/imga781ae8591501d5a18acb9fd0f2f7d89.jpg)
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but for me, after I changed the default language to EN, the page loads in Russian then after a couple of seconds it switched back to EN on its own I didn't have to change the language every time,
I can also confirm that i am experiencing this same issue as Findingnemo, when i open the site, it loads in Russian language, but after ~ 3 seconds or so, it changes back to English on its own, my default language is also English. I hope RoyalMix takes note of this and clears it up, even if it isn't a big deal for me, but to ensure smooth user experience.
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Isn't just me or the email links doesn't work?
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/21/hMQuz.png)
Obviously you can reach out to support with their Telegram, but there could be users who wanted to send emails if they have doubts or questions.
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Kemarit, I also have the email and TOX links inactive. I understand that the site has just recently launched and some things are still being finalized. Perhaps the site administrator will read this thread and fix all the flaws.
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Since after mixing coins they are deposited into exchanges, is it possible to obtain proof of the source that they came from those exchanges? This would be useful if transactions were restricted or was asked for the source of the funds.
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Since after mixing coins they are deposited into exchanges, is it possible to obtain proof of the source that they came from those exchanges? This would be useful if transactions were restricted or was asked for the source of the funds.
The purpose of the mixer is anonymity. How do you think it is possible to maintain anonymity if you connect your funds with funds that the xx service or person withdraws from exchanges?
Simply, funds for which you do not have a "good" origin, avoid sending to exchanges or any other service with mandatory KYC.
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Since after mixing coins they are deposited into exchanges, is it possible to obtain proof of the source that they came from those exchanges? This would be useful if transactions were restricted or was asked for the source of the funds.
The purpose of the mixer is anonymity. How do you think it is possible to maintain anonymity if you connect your funds with funds that the xx service or person withdraws from exchanges?
Simply, funds for which you do not have a "good" origin, avoid sending to exchanges or any other service with mandatory KYC.
Anonymity actually occurred when the coins were mixed by mixing algorithm. deposit to the exchange is an additional step to improve the AML score. If the mixer provides a list of exchanges and you can choose from which exchange you would like coins to come to after mixing them, it will be good if they asked you from the source of funds.
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If the mixer provides a list of exchanges and you can choose from which exchange you would like coins to come to after mixing them, it will be good if they asked you from the source of funds.
That sounds like silly wishful thinking, and no mixer will ever implement something like this.
Even if you said someone that you used some exchange they would ask you for more proof and verification for your claims.
If you want coins to come from some specific centralized exchange than send them yourself.
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Anonymity actually occurred when the coins were mixed by mixing algorithm. deposit to the exchange is an additional step to improve the AML score. If the mixer provides a list of exchanges and you can choose from which exchange you would like coins to come to after mixing them, it will be good if they asked you from the source of funds.
Mixers do not serve to fix AML results, that is not their purpose. The purpose of the mixer is to lose the connection of the person Yamane Keto with certain coins. Cleaning the AML score through mixers is an abuse that has brought mixers to the brink of legality.
Once you send coins to an exchange (where your data is known), you have lost all anonymity, regardless of the AML score or other criteria.
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Findingnemo, I just checked and if I switch from Russian to English, the language doesn't change back. The whole interface works correctly in English, I clicked some links from the menu on purpose. The test was done on a personal computer in Google Chrome browser version 126.0.6478.62.
All information when clicked is copied automatically to the clipboard, but now when copying, a pop-up message will appear indicating that the text has been copied to the clipboard. The RoyalMix team also reported that the comments that were mentioned earlier have also been corrected.
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It is appreciated that in the times we live in (in which some Bitcoin service developers are persecuted) there are still brave people willing to offer services like the one offered by RoyalMix.io. Welcome to the forum and thanks also to @icopress.
Exactly it is not easy to launch a mixer in this trying time. And as you said it is only the courageous ones can do such and we thank God that altcoinstalks is still available to accommodate them for people to use them. I also join you to appreciate Icopress for bringing this to this forum and also welcome RoyalMix.io to the forum with warm welcoming. I definitely use their services.
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Privacy is important because lack of it gives others power over you. RoyalMix is a premium mixing platform that cares about your privacy, providing smooth service, letters of guarantee, AML (0/25%) and no logs. The platform has Flexible fees (1.3 - 7.5%) and an affiliate program. 👑
This is very catchy intro, will grab the attention of anyone who comes across it easily. Thumbs up to the content creator. The website looks good at a quick glance, I have not tried to mix yet, will do so the next time I have the need to.
The fees are somewhat high, but I will need to dig deeper to know what pushes the range upwards to the max. Welcome to altcointalks.
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Kemarit, I also have the email and TOX links inactive. I understand that the site has just recently launched and some things are still being finalized. Perhaps the site administrator will read this thread and fix all the flaws.
Ok, thanks for confirming that, I thought I'm just the one experiencing it. Yes, it was a newly launched site but the beauty of it is that the community are very much active giving their reviews on this new mixer.
And hopefully the site administrator will fix the bugs so that it will be 100% free of flaws and other issues.
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Since after mixing coins they are deposited into exchanges, is it possible to obtain proof of the source that they came from those exchanges? This would be useful if transactions were restricted or was asked for the source of the funds.
The purpose of the mixer is anonymity. How do you think it is possible to maintain anonymity if you connect your funds with funds that the xx service or person withdraws from exchanges?
Simply, funds for which you do not have a "good" origin, avoid sending to exchanges or any other service with mandatory KYC.
Anonymity actually occurred when the coins were mixed by mixing algorithm. deposit to the exchange is an additional step to improve the AML score. If the mixer provides a list of exchanges and you can choose from which exchange you would like coins to come to after mixing them, it will be good if they asked you from the source of funds.
I don't think any mixer has such feature and afraid they will in the future as well, yes it may look good but it also may increase the expense of mixing and already they are on the higher side so if we simply want to attain the privacy then we don't need to worry about the source of funds as long as it's coming from exchanges since they are considered as clean by the government authorities and source of funds mostly asked by the exchanges when you deposit fiat not the crypto deposits in my expereince.
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Findingnemo, I had a situation where even though not a centralized exchange, but an online payment system (essentially also a centralized organization) froze all my accounts precisely because of a bitcoin transfer. In order to unfreeze the accounts, it was necessary to go through the AML procedure. Fortunately, I managed to prove my case and my funds were unfrozen. Regarding centralized exchanges, I would not vow that they will always be loyal to incoming bitcoin transactions.
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Findingnemo, I had a situation where even though not a centralized exchange, but an online payment system (essentially also a centralized organization) froze all my accounts precisely because of a bitcoin transfer. In order to unfreeze the accounts, it was necessary to go through the AML procedure. Fortunately, I managed to prove my case and my funds were unfrozen. Regarding centralized exchanges, I would not vow that they will always be loyal to incoming bitcoin transactions.
If you read how they mix coins then you wouldn't be worrying about frozen funds and in fact they even mentioned it's safe to deposit the mixed funds into an exchange.
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/22/htWUZ.png)
Since the AML score is low the funds received is safe to deposit on any exchange or centralized exchange unless the platform where you deposit has any terms that's against depositing funds from mixed platforms but I don't think of any platform explicitly mentioned that but for the safer side never use an exchange address to deposit from mixing, use your wallet then move to anywhere you want to.
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Friends, great news. The RoyalMix team deposited 0.5 bitcoins into Escrow XSS (https://xss.is/threads/117241/) (the amount of deposit will be increased soon).
(https://i.ibb.co/MgKd9pP/image.png)
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Friends, great news. The RoyalMix team deposited 0.5 bitcoins into Escrow XSS (https://xss.is/threads/117241/) (the amount of deposit will be increased soon).
Many of us are not familiar with XSS, can you just explain the purpose of this escrow? As far as I understand, that is the only way they would be represented on that forum.
btw. How to become a member of that forum, must be through an invitation or?
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Just register .. but you will have to wait a few days until your candidacy is approved.
The mixer cannot withdraw this deposit until some time has passed...usually 15 to 30 days after the request. That is, if there are no accusations of fraud within 15 days, then your deposit will be returned.
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RoyalMix is the new player in the mixer world and my first impressions are very good.
I like they website design, and I can see they have nice affiliate account program that can be used for earning profit if someone uses my link.
7.5% might be bigger fee compared to other mixers, but that is when less than 0.01 BTC is mixed.
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The mixer cannot withdraw this deposit until some time has passed...usually 15 to 30 days after the request. That is, if there are no accusations of fraud within 15 days, then your deposit will be returned.
Thanks for the clarification, i also didn't know about XSS forum or what the deposit was for, but now i see that it would help build stronger customer trust around RoyalMix, and i support the move. Since you said deposit will be increased soon, i believe RoyalMix don't have plans of withdrawing their deposit in the short term, right?
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7.5% might be bigger fee compared to other mixers, but that is when less than 0.01 BTC is mixed.
I think it's a fair price to pay for peace of mind. ;D
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RoyalMix is the new player in the mixer world and my first impressions are very good.
I like they website design, and I can see they have nice affiliate account program that can be used for earning profit if someone uses my link.
7.5% might be bigger fee compared to other mixers, but that is when less than 0.01 BTC is mixed.
They are definitely getting a thumbs up for the platform, it's interface is really easy an amazing to work with. I like the fact that they are straight to the point with business and avoid unnecessary comments and redirections. Though waiting for longer days for your legality to be confirmed is quite inconveniencing but they are only passing through the legal process to ensure the coins are not being stolen or double spent. It's interesting how they value user privacy and keep an anonymous relationship. This is interesting, let's keep mixing guys.
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RoyalMix is the new player in the mixer world and my first impressions are very good.
I like they website design, and I can see they have nice affiliate account program that can be used for earning profit if someone uses my link.
Yes, it's a new player in the world of mixers where big names already exist and are still performing well but I also found their first impression very convincing and that's a great point I believe.
Their website's design is quite unique and simplistic. The website loads flawlessly fast and that's a great feature in a mixer. It's great to see that they're offering a quite unique type of affiliate program.
Although, there aren't much details about their affiliate program but I'm pretty sure that their affiliate program is going to be very helpful for the ones who can refer good members to their platform.
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Just register .. but you will have to wait a few days until your candidacy is approved.
For some reason my registration was previously rejected (protonmail address)
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/25/hyM5C.png)
Maybe I'll try registering again. I don't know.
Anyway, are they collecting public information on how many mixes have been performed with their mixer? It would be interesting to know that information in order to see if their business is gaining traction or not.
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RoyalMix is the new player in the mixer world and my first impressions are very good.
You're right. Everything looks nice, RoyalMix can be one of favorite mixers in the future. However, even if RoyalMix is a new mixer platform but I'm sure the teams of RoyalMix should be experienced people in this field. They claim RoyalMix as a premium Bitcoin mixer, they must have something special with the service.
I like they website design, and I can see they have nice affiliate account program that can be used for earning profit if someone uses my link.
It is good that people can earn money from affiliate program. Even it is a common way to attract more people, it is great to see a mixer platform provides this program. I want to try this program, I'm curious how much I can earn money from this program. :)
7.5% might be bigger fee compared to other mixers, but that is when less than 0.01 BTC is mixed.
Correct. Even if it is a bit bigger fee, but they offer lower number of Bitcoin for the minimum number to be mixed. I think it is quite reasonable, we can accept it. ;)
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Source: https://royalmix.io/faq
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I want to try this program, I'm curious how much I can earn money from this program. :)
RoyalMix pays 50% of all income generated from affiliate clients, and the minimum you can withdraw is $100. It is also great that the withdrawal is automatic once the minimum amount is reached, you should try it out if you can.
Correct. Even if it is a bit bigger fee, but they offer lower number of Bitcoin for the minimum number to be mixed. I think it is quite reasonable, we can accept it. ;)
I am having a hard time understanding you here, can you clarify.
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Yes, dear, i do agree that the mixer interface is very user friendly. On the same side, i do like one thing of this mixer, which is that the campaign participant commission will be refunded after using the mixers, and this mixer also has the support team that provides customer service, which, in my opinion, every website should contain. As i have seen some of the websites that do not provide customer service.
Besides this, i wish this campaign would run for the long term on the forum. i wish them the best of luck and great success in the coming days. Although, we have seen a good mixer project after a long time but this one is also good, i would use it in the coming days. Thanks!
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RoyalMix is the new player in the mixer world and my first impressions are very good.
You're right. Everything looks nice, RoyalMix can be one of favorite mixers in the future. However, even if RoyalMix is a new mixer platform but I'm sure the teams of RoyalMix should be experienced people in this field. They claim RoyalMix as a premium Bitcoin mixer, they must have something special with the service.
Sometimes the foundation of a good Mix always speaks volume from the beginning of the platform because it will give you an insight on what there future will look like, though RoyalMix is a new Mix but without doubt it will surely become one of the best MiX in the future because already there are more interest on it, however like they said, in every successful platform there is always a good and dedicated team behind it, so of course for RoyalMix to arrive at there current state they are now on the world of Mix is obvious there team is very experienced.
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Correct. Even if it is a bit bigger fee, but they offer lower number of Bitcoin for the minimum number to be mixed. I think it is quite reasonable, we can accept it. ;)
0.003 bitcoin is a common minimum offered by most mixer services, I don't think that's the reason they've set the fees so high. The reason in my mind is that they offer relatively high affiliate commission rates (the highest I have ever known), Or yeah, they might be anticipating a sudden drastic increase in network priority fees because they also have to mix coins at user-defined times.
However, they have a motto about fees: The more you mix, the less you pay. Clean coins=fair commission.
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I like how clean the site is with this and I hope that they manage to continue their service for a long time. I'm looking forward to trying it soon.
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I like how clean the site is with this and I hope that they manage to continue their service for a long time. I'm looking forward to trying it soon.
The black and gold color combo looks really good - I have been doing some reading about the site and how it works but I haven’t really tried it yet, I’ll definitely give it a try in a couple of days or perhaps a week time and give a feedback here on how everything went.
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The black and gold color combo looks really good - I have been doing some reading about the site and how it works but I haven’t really tried it yet, I’ll definitely give it a try in a couple of days or perhaps a week time and give a feedback here on how everything went.
It's the classic UI for mixers where there's a big logo image, next to it are some introductory words and then start mixing, FAQ and fess. It's cool but it can't be reversed to have dark and light mode.
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7.5% might be bigger fee compared to other mixers, but that is when less than 0.01 BTC is mixed.
7.5% sounds expensive, but I have not seen that the network fee per address is additionally charged. With many mixers, this fee is up to 0.0007BTC, which makes Royalmixer competitive even for "small" transactions up to 0.01.
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The black and gold color combo looks really good - I have been doing some reading about the site and how it works but I haven’t really tried it yet, I’ll definitely give it a try in a couple of days or perhaps a week time and give a feedback here on how everything went.
It's the classic UI for mixers where there's a big logo image, next to it are some introductory words and then start mixing, FAQ and fess. It's cool but it can't be reversed to have dark and light mode.
I am not a big fan of light mode - I prefer all my devices settings to be in dark mode [that’s probably why the design caught my attention] and that’s why I didn’t even bother to check whether that feature is available or not. It would still be a nice touch if they could make it available so that those who don’t like dark mode can simply just toggle it off and use light mode.
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I like how clean the site is with this and I hope that they manage to continue their service for a long time. I'm looking forward to trying it soon.
If the site can provide its services for a long time, it will definitely be able to rise to a better level. I have already been able to read some of the features of this site. RoyalMix it's a new Bitcoin mixing platform that is committed to providing users with privacy and good service. This service temporarily collects transaction data and then proactively deletes all data after processing. Moreover, the transaction limit on this service is very high from 0.003 BTC to 50 BTC which will be processed in maximum 12 hours. I think RoyalMix will try its best to provide a better service to its users, especially in providing anonymous and secure bitcoin mixing services. It could be a big contender on the Bitcoin Mixer platform. I look forward to its better future.
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I like how clean the site is with this and I hope that they manage to continue their service for a long time. I'm looking forward to trying it soon.
I have heard about RoyalMix site before. RoyalMix is generally one of the best sites for protecting customer privacy. However, I feel the need to understand more about this site. Can you give me more details about this?
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I have heard about RoyalMix site before. RoyalMix is generally one of the best sites for protecting customer privacy. However, I feel the need to understand more about this site. Can you give me more details about this?
You have heard about RoyalMix before, when?
Any information you need about RoyalMix, you can get in their website, you'll find how they work there, their FAQ, their affiliate program, etc. After visiting the website, if you need any clarification, then you can ask for it here.
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I have heard about RoyalMix site before. RoyalMix is generally one of the best sites for protecting customer privacy. However, I feel the need to understand more about this site. Can you give me more details about this?
You have heard about RoyalMix before, when?
Any information you need about RoyalMix, you can get in their website, you'll find how they work there, their FAQ, their affiliate program, etc. After visiting the website, if you need any clarification, then you can ask for it here.
Navigating through the site is really easy/ flexible so I don't think anyone would be having any issue doing that. You can visit the FAQ by just scrolling down, it's very easy to locate and access. The most important aspect which is privacy is already taken care off and according to Royalmix your coin can get mixed for as low as 30 minutes and impossible for any third party to track the coin after which it has been sent to your receiving wallet address.
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The most important aspect which is privacy is already taken care off and according to Royalmix your coin can get mixed for as low as 30 minutes and impossible for any third party to track the coin after which it has been sent to your receiving wallet address.
Take note that when you use RoyalMix you can customize your own delay time for your mixed coins to be sent to your address, for better anonymity, you can also send to different addresses and select the percentage of coins you want in each address.
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Up until now I didn't know that RoyalMix.io had an inbuilt calculator so that users could see what they would be receiving in each of their wallets [in case where multiple wallet addresses were used] - it makes it easier to allocate the correct amount you want to distribute to each wallet address without doing any guess work.
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Besides this, i wish this campaign would run for the long term on the forum. i wish them the best of luck and great success in the coming days.
The campaign's long term existence depends on the performance of the participants. If the participants of the campaign continue to perform better by making good posts then surely the campaign can go for long term but if the participants show poor performance then the campaign may not run for long term. But, I'm very sure that this mixer's campaign is managed by a professional campaign manager like Icopress and that's why I believe it may be a long term signature campaign.
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7.5% sounds expensive, but I have not seen that the network fee per address is additionally charged. With many mixers, this fee is up to 0.0007BTC, which makes Royalmixer competitive even for "small" transactions up to 0.01.
Yes but people always look at numbers and percentages that appear higher on first look for this new mixer compared to others.
RoyalMix could add this advantage of not having additional fee on their website, and we can save more if we use referral links.
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Is anybody else having problems accessing the RoyalMix clearnet site today?
I tried with two different browsers, but I got different errors for each.
There is a small possibility that the clearnet site is just fine and it could be just an issue on my side, but I highly doubt it. Probably a site misconfiguration or something.
The Tor onion link continues to work normally though.
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Is anybody else having problems accessing the RoyalMix clearnet site today?
I tried with two different browsers, but I got different errors for each.
There is a small possibility that the clearnet site is just fine and it could be just an issue on my side, but I highly doubt it. Probably a site misconfiguration or something.
The Tor onion link continues to work normally though.
Same here, I just tried accessing it on my end and nothing happened.
I don’t know what happened but I did access it yesterday before I closed my device.
Edit:
Tor works for me too.
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Is anybody else having problems accessing the RoyalMix clearnet site today?
I tried with two different browsers, but I got different errors for each.
Yes, it is definitely offline. It is also unavailable to me.
Also, https://isitdownorjustme.net/status/royalmix-io/ says royalmix is offline.
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Is anybody else having problems accessing the RoyalMix clearnet site today?
Royalmix clearnet is down for me, that is confirmed.
Onion version is loading fine, so maybe they are under attack or they are making some website updates.
Note that I didn't test if mixing works now, but all pages are opening without issues.
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Is anybody else having problems accessing the RoyalMix clearnet site today?
I tried with two different browsers, but I got different errors for each.
There is a small possibility that the clearnet site is just fine and it could be just an issue on my side, but I highly doubt it. Probably a site misconfiguration or something.
I have not open the clearnet site today but after reading your post I decided to take a look if the fault is actually from your browser or not but from what I'm seeing is not from your browser, on the contrary it seems is general because I have also tried it using different browser and it keeps giving the same response.
Though I don't think is a big deal because it could just be some minor errors that would be sorted out in a moment or perhaps the technical team could be adding some more good features or having some minor update because I no that whenever something like that is happening this is how the site use to be, so I believe within a short time it will be sorted out.
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I have heard about RoyalMix site before. RoyalMix is generally one of the best sites for protecting customer privacy. However, I feel the need to understand more about this site. Can you give me more details about this?
You have heard about RoyalMix before, when?
Any information you need about RoyalMix, you can get in their website, you'll find how they work there, their FAQ, their affiliate program, etc. After visiting the website, if you need any clarification, then you can ask for it here.
Honestly I heard about this site from a friend of mine few days ago.
Originally I tried to inter the website called 👑 RoyalMix.io but I couldn't access their site only that's why I asked through forum.
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Honestly I heard about this site from a friend of mine few days ago.
Originally I tried to inter the website called 👑 RoyalMix.io but I couldn't access their site only that's why I asked through forum.
There's really no need to invent any stories here, most things are very easily verifiable.
At the time when you wrote the previous post here, the Royalmix site was online, now you are just trying to correct your case.
It seems to me that you wrote here only to attract the attention of the manager and possibly be accepted in the campaign. Things don't work that way though, the manager certainly isn't looking for useless spammers.
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Honestly I heard about this site from a friend of mine few days ago.
Originally I tried to inter the website called 👑 RoyalMix.io but I couldn't access their site only that's why I asked through forum.
Your statements do not correlate, as another user has said above, but that is just by the way. The clearnet website was up when you made your initial post, however it is down now, but you can still access RoyalMix through their onion link, it works fine there.
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Is anybody else having problems accessing the RoyalMix clearnet site today?
I tried with two different browsers, but I got different errors for each.
Website is not working for me today, maybe they are having some maintenance work and updates.
They are new on mixing scene and this things happen sometimes.
Did anyone from official RoyalMix team explained what is going on with their website?
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Did anyone from official RoyalMix team explained what is going on with their website?
No news yet, its been more than 24 hours since the clearnet became inaccessible.
It would be better if we get an update from the team concerning the issue with the clearnet - at least we'll know what we are dealing with, if it's a DDOS attack or an update.
P.S. The Tor link still works very fine.
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Is anybody else having problems accessing the RoyalMix clearnet site today?
I tried with two different browsers, but I got different errors for each.
Website is not working for me today, maybe they are having some maintenance work and updates.
They are new on mixing scene and this things happen sometimes.
Did anyone from official RoyalMix team explained what is going on with their website?
The website is currently facing technical difficulties. May be this outage due to server maintenance or temporary network problem or can be unexpected hardware issues. May be team working and try to resolve the problem as soon as possible.
But it looks like we'll have to wait a little longer. Of course the team will message us after solving the problem. You're right, as they are new in this space this can be happen.
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Navigating through the site is really easy/ flexible so I don't think anyone would be having any issue doing that. You can visit the FAQ by just scrolling down, it's very easy to locate and access. The most important aspect which is privacy is already taken care off and according to Royalmix your coin can get mixed for as low as 30 minutes and impossible for any third party to track the coin after which it has been sent to your receiving wallet address.
It is not wise to say, it is impossible for 3rd party to track, because using the mixer only can't save your privacy there are other factors to be considered. For example, your wallet before mixing might be linked with some other wallet which is public, but the aml score of this mixer is amazing which ensure a difficulty for an expert to find the source out.
An average mind can't get around how fo find the source, to enhance the privacy we can prefer there delay option, which is beneficial although a bit expensive might be as tx will be delayed and
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Did anyone from official RoyalMix team explained what is going on with their website?
No news yet, its been more than 24 hours since the clearnet became inaccessible.
It would be better if we get an update from the team concerning the issue with the clearnet - at least we'll know what we are dealing with, if it's a DDOS attack or an update.
P.S. The Tor link still works very fine.
Any ways this may call for concern but at the same time not a panicking situation since the site can still be accessed with thor link and that shows that everything is still fine with the mixer, the clean net may be under mentainance and whatever but still it is better the team come up with an update on what the situation is with the clean net.
We should have been more worried if the situation persist until the coming week and beyond incentive we have hard many mixer going off lately.
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Is anybody else having problems accessing the RoyalMix clearnet site today?
I tried with two different browsers, but I got different errors for each.
Website is not working for me today, maybe they are having some maintenance work and updates.
They are new on mixing scene and this things happen sometimes.
Did anyone from official RoyalMix team explained what is going on with their website?
I found out. The site is undergoing maintenance and will be available again within 12-18 hours. ;)
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I found out. The site is undergoing maintenance and will be available again within 12-18 hours. ;)
OK, this is enough for a start. However, they could temporarily put up an info page so that users know that everything is under control.
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As at the moment I’m making this post - RoyalMix.io clearnet is back online.
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Maintenance completed. ;)
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Maintenance completed. ;)
Great, i can also confirm that, the clearnet site is back online and running again, thanks for keeping us updated that the site was undergoing maintenance.
However, they could temporarily put up an info page so that users know that everything is under control.
I agree too, maybe next time if the site is going on maintenance for a long time, visitors can get a message like 'the site is under maintenance temporarily' when they try to access it.
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RoyalMix website is back online and everything works normal for me.
There is telegram support for RoyalMix and I think it would be be great if they can use that to announce latest news, updates and any future maintenance work.
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Maintenance completed. ;)
It seems that they fixed most of the bugs that were recognized here, now it seems much better.
I don't know how the translation to English was solved, it seems to be done on the fly. When I open it, the Russian version is loaded first, and after a few seconds, everything is translated into English. A bit unusual, but ultimately functional.
I don't know if there are plans to add more languages and how it will work then.
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I don't know how the translation to English was solved, it seems to be done on the fly. When I open it, the Russian version is loaded first, and after a few seconds, everything is translated into English. A bit unusual, but ultimately functional.
I don't know if there are plans to add more languages and how it will work then.
Yes, I also noticed that and I thought the Russian page will continue there but within seconds it was translated to English and I noticed it somehow used Google translate plugin that's available on Chrome browser. However, the good thing is that it's now working properly and there's no issue in reading the page as a English user. I'm pretty sure they'll soon make it more convenient before adding other languages.
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Yes, I also noticed that and I thought the Russian page will continue there but within seconds it was translated to English and I noticed it somehow used Google translate plugin that's available on Chrome browser. However, the good thing is that it's now working properly and there's no issue in reading the page as a English user. I'm pretty sure they'll soon make it more convenient before adding other languages.
Sorry to ask, but was this before the maintenance period? Because mine has always been translating to English even before they went offline to work on the site - as soon as I open the site it shows everything in Russian but then switches to English [this was all before the update on the site].
Even the Tor version still does the same thing.
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Sorry to ask, but was this before the maintenance period? Because mine has always been translating to English even before they went offline to work on the site - as soon as I open the site it shows everything in Russian but then switches to English [this was all before the update on the site].
This was what i was just about to ask, mine has always loaded in this way, before the maintenance period. It shows in Russian first and then changes to English after a few seconds, not a problem for me, but maybe that can be fixed.
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Sorry to ask, but was this before the maintenance period? Because mine has always been translating to English even before they went offline to work on the site - as soon as I open the site it shows everything in Russian but then switches to English [this was all before the update on the site].
Even the Tor version still does the same thing.
Yes, it has always done that. You can open the Developer Tools on your browser if oyu are on the desktop, go to the "Scripts" section, and there should be a "Google Translate" script somewhere, with that sort of name. Or you can go to the Network tab and reload the page - it is automatically ran whenever you open a page on RoyalMix.
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Security Alert: Potential Privacy Issue on RoyalMix
Dear RoyalMix users and crypto enthusiasts,
I've recently uncovered a potential privacy issue in RoyalMix's mixing process that I'd like to share with the community.
The Issue:
When creating an order, RoyalMix verifies the validity of destination addresses using the BlockCypher API. However, their implementation unintentionally exposes the API token being used.
Consequence:
It would be possible for a third party to use this token to query the API call history, potentially compromising the anonymity of mixed transactions.
Technical Details:
- The issue is located in the 'submit-addresses.js' file
- The 'checkBitcoinAddressInBlockchain' function sends each address to BlockCypher with the API token in plain text
- API call: [https://api.blockcypher[.]com/v1/btc/main/addrs/${address}?token=${token}]
This information leak could theoretically allow for partial reconstruction of the mixing history.
Proof:
I've attached a screenshot to this post showing the hits (number of requests) passed through the BlockCypher API with this token. This concretely demonstrates the potential exposure of data.
[Screenshot of API hits][https://ibb.co/cCG15hp]
Call to Action:
I strongly encourage the RoyalMix team to:
- Review their implementation to protect the API token
- Consider safer alternatives for address verification
Note: This information is shared in a spirit of responsibility and transparency. The goal is to improve security for all users.[/list]
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Sorry to ask, but was this before the maintenance period? Because mine has always been translating to English even before they went offline to work on the site - as soon as I open the site it shows everything in Russian but then switches to English [this was all before the update on the site].
I don't really remember if it existed before the maintenance period or not but from other replies I also got the idea that the thing existed before the update and hasn't been fixed yet. I hope that in future we may see a quick fix for that issue meanwhile we can enjoy the site the way it is.
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Security Alert: Potential Privacy Issue on RoyalMix
Thank you for reporting this security issue early, RoyalMix team should fix this and update here when they finish.
Did you notice this security problem happening when you used Tor browser onion link or clearnet website?
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This information leak could theoretically allow for partial reconstruction of the mixing history.
+ karma for you.
You are right, Blockcypher can have complete insight into all deposit addresses that are checked using their API and Royalmix token. A self-hosted solution must be sought here.
Sorry to ask, but was this before the maintenance period? Because mine has always been translating to English even before they went offline to work on the site - as soon as I open the site it shows everything in Russian but then switches to English [this was all before the update on the site].
I don't really remember if it existed before the maintenance period or not but from other replies I also got the idea that the thing existed before the update and hasn't been fixed yet. I hope that in future we may see a quick fix for that issue meanwhile we can enjoy the site the way it is.
It is probably Google Translate that is performed during loading. I would say that it is a bad practice and in general Royalmix relies too much on API from third parties. Here I also take into account what Klq!@Gjqoqp./ stated
In essence, this is not a big problem, but when it comes to a service that deals with privacy, the inclusion of third-party services should be kept to a minimum.
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Security Alert: Multiple Critical Vulnerabilities Discovered on RoyalMix - Follow-up Report
Dear RoyalMix users and crypto enthusiasts,
This is a follow-up to my previous security report. I've uncovered additional critical security issues on RoyalMix that I feel compelled to share with the community.
New Issues Discovered:
Weak ID system for order retrieval
Exposure of real IP behind DDoS Guard proxy
Direct access via public IP
Vulnerabilities in Apache HTTPD 2.4.52
Consequences:
These newly discovered flaws, combined with the previously reported API token exposure, severely compromise user security and anonymity, potentially exposing transactions and personal data.
Technical Details:
- Order IDs used to fetch user orders consist of only 6 digits, allowing only 1 million combinations
- The server's real IP is exposed despite using a DDoS proxy
- The site is directly accessible via its public IP, bypassing protections
- Apache HTTPD 2.4.52 is vulnerable to buffer overflow and HTTP request smuggling attacks
Proof:
In addition to the API token issue previously reported, I've gathered concrete evidence of these vulnerabilities:
Weak Order ID system: I've observed that order IDs like 633366, 361622, and 962585 are used to fetch user orders. This 6-digit system is highly insecure and susceptible to brute-force attacks.
Censys scan results: I've attached a screenshot from Censys showing sensitive information about the RoyalMix server, including TLS certificate details and the real IP address behind the DDoS protection.
[https://ibb.co/SN3RHsq]
This screenshot reveals:
The domain name (royalmix.io) associated with the IP
ECDSA public key details
Certificate fingerprints
The real IP address: 193.203.190.80
Direct IP access: I was able to access the site directly using the IP address 193.203.190.80, bypassing the DDoS protection.
Apache version: The Censys scan confirms the use of Apache HTTPD 2.4.52, which is known to be vulnerable.
Call to Action:
In light of these new findings, I strongly urge the RoyalMix team to:
- Address the API token exposure issue from the previous report
- Completely revise their order identification system to use longer, more secure IDs
- Properly configure their DDoS proxy to mask the real IP
- Disable direct access via IP
- Immediately update Apache HTTPD to the latest stable version
- Conduct a comprehensive security audit of their entire infrastructure
Note: This information is shared in a spirit of responsibility and transparency. The goal is to improve security for all users. I strongly recommend immediate action on both this and the previous report's findings.
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Klq!@Gjqoqp./ good job, If you find any Critical Vulnerabilities, it is best to share them privately and I advise RoyalMix to create a bugs campaign to encourage developers to search for vulnerabilities.
Weak Order ID system is a problem but less likely to be exploited.
The server's real IP is a serious problem and must be changed, or at least the domain redirected through it to a Tor link.
BlockCypher API is a serious problem. As long as the service cares about customer privacy, it must manage a full node and verify all transactions. Using BlockCypher not only reduces customer privacy, but may lead to address balance manipulation.
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Dear, I just opened the site to check this problem, on my side I can see English words on the main page of the site but there I can see a recommendation drop-down tab by the Google Services I guess, and this shows me that translate the site from the Russian language to your desired language but the thing is that site is already in the English languages. so this is why I am thinking is it also a kind of bug or is it fine?
Also when I reload the page it again says to me translate the page from Russian to any desired language so which in my view is a kind of bug that is why I am asking if is it a bug or not or if you have the same experience as of me? Must share your opinion if you have any idea about this. Many Thanks!
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Thanks for the answer. RoyalMix just informed me that they have fixed the problem. Validation takes place on the server, and then all information is deleted, so everything is safe. Information on the site has been updated (FAQ).
Security Alert: Potential Privacy Issue on RoyalMix
Dear RoyalMix users and crypto enthusiasts,
I've recently uncovered a potential privacy issue in RoyalMix's mixing process that I'd like to share with the community.
The Issue:
When creating an order, RoyalMix verifies the validity of destination addresses using the BlockCypher API. However, their implementation unintentionally exposes the API token being used.
Consequence:
It would be possible for a third party to use this token to query the API call history, potentially compromising the anonymity of mixed transactions.
Technical Details:
- The issue is located in the 'submit-addresses.js' file
- The 'checkBitcoinAddressInBlockchain' function sends each address to BlockCypher with the API token in plain text
- API call: [https://api.blockcypher[.]com/v1/btc/main/addrs/${address}?token=${token}]
This information leak could theoretically allow for partial reconstruction of the mixing history.
Proof:
I've attached a screenshot to this post showing the hits (number of requests) passed through the BlockCypher API with this token. This concretely demonstrates the potential exposure of data.
[Screenshot of API hits][https://ibb.co/cCG15hp]
Call to Action:
I strongly encourage the RoyalMix team to:
- Review their implementation to protect the API token
- Consider safer alternatives for address verification
Note: This information is shared in a spirit of responsibility and transparency. The goal is to improve security for all users.[/list]
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Klq!@Gjqoqp./ well done!
We need more members like you in Altcoinstalsk forum, and you deserved some karma and tip donations for your contribution in finding this issues.
Did you check all other mixer services for security issues or only Royalmix?
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Also when I reload the page it again says to me translate the page from Russian to any desired language so which in my view is a kind of bug that is why I am asking if is it a bug or not or if you have the same experience as of me? Must share your opinion if you have any idea about this. Many Thanks!
That's how the site works and there's no problem at your end. The site may get updated in future and then users may not see that auto-translate pop-up of Google translate, however that thing isn't a big issue as the site works flawlessly.
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The Issue:
When creating an order, RoyalMix verifies the validity of destination addresses using the BlockCypher API. However, their implementation unintentionally exposes the API token being used
Good find! +1
If the reason of using blockcypher api is only to check if the bitcoin address is valid, then regex (with starting characters and characters length) should be enough to check it. Aside from that it's users responsibility to check their address is correct.
Also, mempool.space has its own api to check wallet address too but i don't think its okay to use it.
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Also when I reload the page it again says to me translate the page from Russian to any desired language so which in my view is a kind of bug that is why I am asking if is it a bug or not or if you have the same experience as of me? Must share your opinion if you have any idea about this. Many Thanks!
That's how the site works and there's no problem at your end. The site may get updated in future and then users may not see that auto-translate pop-up of Google translate, however that thing isn't a big issue as the site works flawlessly.
Of all the mixer sites I've used, I find SI to be the best. And very quickly I succeeded in mixing it, but of course google may update. Users have no problem with this as they can be assured of using this mixer with peace of mind.
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RoyalMix pays 50% of all income generated from affiliate clients, and the minimum you can withdraw is $100. It is also great that the withdrawal is automatic once the minimum amount is reached, you should try it out if you can.
You're right. Sure, I can. $100 isn't something difficult to reach. Have you tried this, too?
I am having a hard time understanding you here, can you clarify.
I think it is not a very complicated statement. I believe you can understand it if you have the intention to read it carefully. ;)
Sometimes the foundation of a good Mix always speaks volume from the beginning of the platform because it will give you an insight on what there future will look like, though RoyalMix is a new Mix but without doubt it will surely become one of the best MiX in the future because already there are more interest on it, however like they said, in every successful platform there is always a good and dedicated team behind it, so of course for RoyalMix to arrive at there current state they are now on the world of Mix is obvious there team is very experienced.
I believe RoyalMix teams are experienced people in this field. They may do the same way as other mixer teams but I feel something different with RoyalMix. From the beginning, they stated that they are a premium mixer, it means they will offer something better than other mixer services. I think you will trust them as well.
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I believe RoyalMix teams are experienced people in this field. They may do the same way as other mixer teams but I feel something different with RoyalMix. From the beginning, they stated that they are a premium mixer, it means they will offer something better than other mixer services. I think you will trust them as well.
With that kind of thinking, anyone can slap the word "Premium" on their website and it gets a trustworthy name. For example, if I wrote "Premium Bitcoin Mixer List" instead of just "Bitcoin Mixer List".
Do you see the problem here?
All this is just marketing, it is not actually stuff that should be invoking trust. The trust comes from providing the service to the users without any issues.
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Dear, I just opened the site to check this problem, on my side I can see English words on the main page of the site but there I can see a recommendation drop-down tab by the Google Services I guess, and this shows me that translate the site from the Russian language to your desired language but the thing is that site is already in the English languages. so this is why I am thinking is it also a kind of bug or is it fine?
Also when I reload the page it again says to me translate the page from Russian to any desired language so which in my view is a kind of bug that is why I am asking if is it a bug or not or if you have the same experience as of me? Must share your opinion if you have any idea about this. Many Thanks!
I also face the same issue. I don't think its a big issue because it automatically change the language after few second. And you can see we can manually change the language from the top right corner as well. Therefore I don't think its big problem and I don't that google translator is changing the language. It is being changed automatically.
You don't have to press English on the google translator on your screen it automatically changes to English after sometime. I think we should check the site by opening with Russian location set on VPN but I don't have it in my VPN don't know why. Maybe you can check by opening the site as Russian to confirm if they also see the English for few seconds.
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Thanks for the answer. RoyalMix just informed me that they have fixed the problem. Validation takes place on the server, and then all information is deleted, so everything is safe. Information on the site has been updated (FAQ).
The public IP address posted above is still accessible.
And also I have found that the IP belongs in Hostinger's namespace and ASN.
Hostinger is a very anti-mixer web hosting company (they banned my site from their platform), so this is another issue that needs to be rectified.
Ultimately, switching hosts and fixing the DDoS-Guard IP leakage should mitigate this.
Also it appears that there's an SSH server running on that port that is not properly firewalled - generally speaking it should only be accessible from IP addresses inside the developers' ISP. Please raise this issue with them too.
Mixer security is very very important because they are very attractive targets for hackers.
Edit: HOLY SH!T! It's worse than I initially thought.
Apparently, Censys has IP addresses for all mixers and many other sites, even the ones behind cloudflare.
You have definitely got to use the Tor mirrors, but it only works if it's on a different server.
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+1 Those are some good suggestions for the mixer's security. I remember when your site faced issue because of Hostinger and that's why I also believe that any mixer or mixer related service should avoid hosts like Hostinger at any cost.
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Also, mempool.space has its own api to check wallet address too but i don't think its okay to use it.
Mempool.space is open source and it's easy to run your own with bitcoin node, that can be done by anyone including RoyalMix.
This is much better option than using blockcypher.
Hostinger is a very anti-mixer web hosting company (they banned my site from their platform), so this is another issue that needs to be rectified.
Hostinger should not be used by anyone, especially not by a mixer.
There are many better hosting alternatives that user respect and they accept crypto payments.
You have definitely got to use the Tor mirrors, but it only works if it's on a different server.
That is obvious, we should always use onion links whenever possible.
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Thanks for the answer. RoyalMix just informed me that they have fixed the problem. Validation takes place on the server, and then all information is deleted, so everything is safe. Information on the site has been updated (FAQ).
Have they fixed submit-addresses.js and are still using the BlockCypher API or are they now running a full node?
Without full node the problem still exists.
I can confirm that I can still access the mixer using the public IP.
userID still 6 digit, so i think they only fix the Potential Privacy Issue
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Access to the site via the royalmix.io domain is currently not possible, it is offline. Although it is still possible to access directly via IP address.
I assume that it is about maintenance and solving recognized issues
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Friends, from time to time I will convey messages from the RoyalMix team.
Here is one of them (regarding recent events).
Dear users
Thank you for your concern about the safety of our mixer and for sharing your concerns. We greatly appreciate your feedback and have done our best to address the identified vulnerabilities. We would like to inform you about the improvements made :)
The real server IP address is protected: We have implemented additional levels of protection, which eliminates the possibility of direct access bypassing DDoS proxy protection. Now our site is completely protected from such threats.
Apache HTTPD vulnerabilities fixed: We have updated Apache HTTPD to the latest version and applied all the necessary patches to address known vulnerabilities. This ensures your interaction with our site is secure.
Improved order security: We have redesigned the order generation system. Now instead of a random 6-digit number, a 9-digit number is used. This makes guessing someone's order nearly impossible. In fact, the probability of guessing is 1 in 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456.
Additionally, we have configured and strengthened our firewall to prevent any potential attacks and improve overall security. We constantly monitor new threats and use the latest security techniques to keep your data safe.
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Mempool.space is open source and it's easy to run your own with bitcoin node, that can be done by anyone including RoyalMix.
This is much better option than using blockcypher.
Oh, right, they can self-host mempool.space instead since its open source, its better way or just like i mentioned about regex too for cheaper choice.
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Access to the site via the royalmix.io domain is currently not possible, it is offline. Although it is still possible to access directly via IP address.
I assume that it is about maintenance and solving recognized issues
They are back online - this one was quite faster than the previous one, I believe this update (if that’s what they actually did) was not as difficult and time consuming as the previous one that made them take their site down for more than 24 hours.
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Friends, from time to time I will convey messages from the RoyalMix team.
Here is one of them (regarding recent events).
I can confirm inaccessibility using public IP and improved order security, but RoyalMix needs a check-order page where you can search for the transaction using the order ID or search using the Bitcoin address or the transaction ID.
Royalmix page still contains Google fonts, which may collect some data such as log data (e.g. browser version) and IP address, so it is best to remove them. https://www.fontsquirrel.com is a good alternative.
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Access to the site via the royalmix.io domain is currently not possible, it is offline. Although it is still possible to access directly via IP address.
I assume that it is about maintenance and solving recognized issues
Actually the site was conducting some maintenance and perhaps adding some more good features so that it will be very easy for the users and work very perfectly for them, however they have finished there maintenance and the site is working perfectly fine now because I just access it now and everything is good, though from the beginning I already know it will be site maintenance that was the caused, however I love the way it was resolved so fast.
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RoyalMix is back online and they are claiming that all security issues are now fixed, but it is always better for others to confirm this if they can.
Now we are all waiting for Klq!@Gjqoqp./ to come back once again and post his report if everything is OK or maybe he found something else.
Since he is already here maybe he can check security of ALtcoinsTalks forum also :)
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I decided to re-test RoyalMix, but this time in public.
As expected, the coins were received from the Exchange and have a very low AML (there is no point in publishing 7 pages of the report since virtually all the key information is displayed in this screenshot). :)
(https://i.ibb.co/GndS8GH/image.png)
Thanks for sharing that info. I am impressed with RoyalMix's transparency and transaction management efficiency. In particular, they have confirmed their commitment to minimal AML risk and from what I see, one can definitely trust and believe in them. This level of transparency will surely provide a strong evidence for others to follow this platform and RoyalMix team deserves praise for all this.
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(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/07/06/oIAAP.png)
Confirming that Royalmix are back online, it thought as much that it be be a reason of maintenance that prompted the blackout however it's been resolved and they are as perfect as ever. Their response time is solving issue is top notch. What more can a user ask for than a quick response from the DevelopmentTeam .
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Among other things, the Bitcoin community fights against the narrative of "dirty" and "clean" coins. I think that mixers should also stick in that direction.
"Does the mixer clean bitcoins" sounds like a call to AML fighters to fight against all mixers. I would suggest that this be rephrased in something more acceptable, for example, "Does the mixer anonymize bitcoins?"
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/07/06/oIyHC.png)
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Among other things, the Bitcoin community fights against the narrative of "dirty" and "clean" coins. I think that mixers should also stick in that direction.
"Does the mixer clean bitcoins" sounds like a call to AML fighters to fight against all mixers. I would suggest that this be rephrased in something more acceptable, for example, "Does the mixer anonymize bitcoins?"
I don't think it is very important, because clean and anonymize have the same meaning in AML terminology, to the point where even "coinjoin" and "mixer" are bad words.
Besides, the service is actually in Russian language, and the English language is provided automatically by means of calling Google Translate dynamically. That means there's no way to actually change the text short of making an English version by hand.
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"Does the mixer clean bitcoins" sounds like a call to AML fighters to fight against all mixers. I would suggest that this be rephrased in something more acceptable, for example, "Does the mixer anonymize bitcoins?"
Imo, the choice of the word "anonymize" is worse than "clean".
Moreover, I agree with @NAT's opinion above, from an authority PoV you are still in the wrong position with those two words. Want to disguise your dirty coins and/or want to avoid taxes.
Edit: Anyway, is royakmix doing any more maintenance? I got error 504.
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Edit: Anyway, is royakmix doing any more maintenance? I got error 504.
I'm in the same situation. I don't know if it is due to maintenance or not, but the clearnet website also gives me a 504 error and the Tor website does not load. Maybe @icopress has more information about what is happening.
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Edit: Anyway, is royakmix doing any more maintenance? I got error 504.
I'm in the same situation. I don't know if it is due to maintenance or not, but the clearnet website also gives me a 504 error and the Tor website does not load. Maybe @icopress has more information about what is happening.
Yeah I'm also seeing the same thing while trying to access the clearnet website but every other things are working perfectly so I believe it should be the site maintenance because if we can recall, it was the same display we were actually having few days ago on the clearnet website and it didn't take them much time to rectify it, so perhaps I think there could be things that may not be working properly the way they had expected so they decided to fixed it but I'm very hopeful it will not take them much time to rectify.
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Imo, the choice of the word "anonymize" is worse than "clean".
The word anonymize or clean would mean the same thing for the regulators, but i understand what @examplens is talking about when they say 'clean' dirty BTC's may not sound right to some bitcoiners, because there are no 'dirty' BTC's. However, i don't think the change is so necessary, just as you and someone else have said already.
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The RoyalMix team reported that scheduled maintenance has been completed (the site is online again).
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RoyalMix is the new player in the mixer world and my first impressions are very good.
I like they website design, and I can see they have nice affiliate account program that can be used for earning profit if someone uses my link.
Yes, it's a new player in the world of mixers where big names already exist and are still performing well but I also found their first impression very convincing and that's a great point I believe.
Their website's design is quite unique and simplistic. The website loads flawlessly fast and that's a great feature in a mixer. It's great to see that they're offering a quite unique type of affiliate program.
Although, there aren't much details about their affiliate program but I'm pretty sure that their affiliate program is going to be very helpful for the ones who can refer good members to their platform.
Well, thanks to you guys for sharing your thoughts on such a progressive mixer. Honestly speaking, this mixer is different from the rest in terms of design and other aspects as well. There are many mixers in the market, and some are the top ones. I am a little curious whether this mixer can find its place in the market or can compete with the top ones, as it seems like you guys have also worked with some other mixers too. So, I am asking you guys if this mixer is the same as others or different from others. Its affiliate program is also very impressive. Did you guys find the details of this program? If yes, then don't hesitate to share with us.
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I am a little curious whether this mixer can find its place in the market or can compete with the top ones, as it seems like you guys have also worked with some other mixers too. So, I am asking you guys if this mixer is the same as others or different from others.
Every mixer is unique in their own ways, so there is no need to compare them. RoyalMix was launched this year, so you have to give them time to saturate the market and win customer trust, which i have no doubt that they will. Bitcoiners who love privacy will always welcome any new legitimate mixer to the industry, so RoyalMix is surely welcome to compete with other mixers and they will.
Did you guys find the details of this program? If yes, then don't hesitate to share with us.
You can find any detail you want on the webiste. For details on the affiliate program, click on 'For Partners' in the website.
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I am having trouble verifying the letter of guarantee. I am not sure why it's doing this, considering that I have already imported their public key.
$ gpg --verify <<EOF
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
Service Address: bc1qj4y96wxanqjls4vc0y3gkgxra4qjzpag93wydz
Mixing mode: Complete anonymity.
Cleansed coins will be sent to the forwarding address:
1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa
Maximum service fee is: 7.5%.
Maximum mixing time is 12 hours + delay time set by the user.
Time: 2024-07-10 13:47:47
Confirmation required -
Less than 12 bts - 1 transaction
Less than 50 bts - 2 transactions
Less than 100 bts - 3 transactions
Less than 250 bts - 4 transactions
ONLY 1 TRANSACTION ALLOWED!
PGP fingerprint: ECFEBB0B364BC347A59A6FF6CA22E2750AFAA10E.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----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=7fid
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> EOF
gpg: Signature made Wed 10 Jul 2024 03:47:47 PM CEST
gpg: using RSA key ECFEBB0B364BC347A59A6FF6CA22E2750AFAA10E
gpg: BAD signature from "Royal <[email protected]>" [unknown]
It appears that the signature is being rejected by the GPG program.
Could it be that the letter of guarantee is also being translated from Russian to English? I hope not, but that is the only way I can explain this mis-configuration.
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I also failed to verify yours in several online verifiers, for example at Keybase. io says "Error: Needed a 'generic', 'clearsign', or 'signature' PGP message, got 4", or on 8gwifi.org it says "unknown object in stream: 19". I'm close to your last assumption, this will result in some unrecognizable characters.
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Yes, Buddy, anonymize fits more well as compared to clean in my point of view. As we know that AML Fighters want that these kinds of tools should be banned because these are being used for transferring illegal money and the word clean can be related to the word of cleaning your money from illegal to legal haha!
On The same side, anonymizing can mean that you are just placing transactions secretly whether the money is clean or not. So, a bitcoiners just hides itself from the system that can detect the direction of money like where it comes from or where the money is transferred. :)
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I also failed to verify yours in several online verifiers, for example at Keybase. io says "Error: Needed a 'generic', 'clearsign', or 'signature' PGP message, got 4", or on 8gwifi.org it says "unknown object in stream: 19". I'm close to your last assumption, this will result in some unrecognizable characters.
In my opinion, I think it is important to fix this, because I have implemented verification functionality on my website, but it's broken for RoyalMix because of this bug. However I do not want to burden the RoyalMix admins with more work after telling them about a bunch of stuff a few posts above. :)
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On The same side, anonymizing can mean that you are just placing transactions secretly whether the money is clean or not. So, a bitcoiners just hides itself from the system that can detect the direction of money like where it comes from or where the money is transferred. :)
Anonymizing coins would also make those AML fighters think that the money is illegal money although you the purpose or aim of doing it is to make it more hard to track (being anonymous or private) although the money you have ain't even a dirty money to start with. That's why I completely agree that clean and anonymize have the same meaning in AML terminology.
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However I do not want to burden the RoyalMix admins with more work after telling them about a bunch of stuff a few posts above. :)
Developers should know what fixes to prioritize. Fixing their guarantee letter generator is more critical than fixing web interface that only displays Russian for a few milliseconds. Holding a valid guarantee letter is also very valuable if there is some risk of technical service errors.
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In my opinion, I think it is important to fix this, because I have implemented verification functionality on my website, but it's broken for RoyalMix because of this bug. However I do not want to burden the RoyalMix admins with more work after telling them about a bunch of stuff a few posts above. :)
They should be happy that community members reported so many issues with their service early on, so they can fix and check everything again.
I hope they don't have any serious flaws in their system that could result in customers losing coins.
Using cold wallets is usually a good practice together with hot wallets for smaller amounts.
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Friends, the RoyalMix team reported that everything that was discussed on the last page has been corrected.
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Friends, the RoyalMix team reported that everything that was discussed on the last page has been corrected.
In that case I will work on fixing the verification code for RoyalMix (that is on my site) immediately.
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Friends, the RoyalMix team reported that everything that was discussed on the last page has been corrected.
Yeah thank you, I can see they are back online and I have been able to check several things and is working perfectly, though I realized that the reason for those maintenance they were having was as a result of trying to fixed those errors.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/07/12/opTZd.jpeg)
However is good to see that all the previous errors has been corrected, I'm happy that within this short period there technical team were able to fixed those things that was discussed here in other to enhance users experience, however one of the interesting thing about users feedback is that is from there the mixer will learn the areas that needs to be fixed, so the good things about all this is that after the RoyalMix team has been able to rectify those errors we believe it will not possibly happen again.
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so the good things about all this is that after the RoyalMix team has been able to rectify those errors we believe it will not possibly happen again.
Why doesn't it happen again?
It is quite positive if they listen to user experiences and react quickly to adopt good suggestions and improve their platform. Every platform, and service must pass the test phase and it is almost impossible to make it ideal without additional improvements.
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I am glad to see that RoyalMix team quickly corrected everything that was reported.
They could think about creating review campaign next, there is a chance that someone could find more things that should be improved or corrected, and everyone will find out how website really works.
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I am glad to see that RoyalMix team quickly corrected everything that was reported.
They could think about creating review campaign next, there is a chance that someone could find more things that should be improved or corrected, and everyone will find out how website really works.
The review would be a great idea.
By the way, its been a while since we last saw any post from @Klq!@Gjqoqp./ he cited several things that helped RoyalMix.io dev fix their website better - we never got any respond from him if those reports he made where still there or if all of them where fixed completely.
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we never got any respond from him if those reports he made where still there or if all of them where fixed completely.
That user hasn't been online since they made their last post, and i believe that is the reason why they have not made any new posts in this topic.
I am glad to see that RoyalMix team quickly corrected everything that was reported.
Yeah, it is a good sign, that's how good services operate, they are always on hand to solve problems raised by the community, and no service can be 100% from the beginning.
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we never got any respond from him if those reports he made where still there or if all of them where fixed completely.
That user hasn't been online since they made their last post, and i believe that is the reason why they have not made any new posts in this topic.
I don't think he needs to be online, as icopress is doing a good job relaying the messages to and from them. Besides, the team is probably more busy with dev work, and I don't think English is their main language anyway.
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I am glad to see that RoyalMix team quickly corrected everything that was reported.
They could think about creating review campaign next, there is a chance that someone could find more things that should be improved or corrected, and everyone will find out how website really works.
That's a good suggestion I guess. A review campaign can be pretty helpful because in that campaign members will try their best to find bugs and other issues and they can add those in their reviews. However, it isn't necessary at the moment because the dev team is already working pretty hard on fixing the other issues that were discussed on this thread.
If a review campaign is launched after few days then that could be useful for the site as reviewers will try to find the bugs that weren't fixed or that weren't found yet and mention those bugs in their reviews. I also believe that some good members can give valuable suggestions in that review campaign that could be helpful for RoyalMix.
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Yes, Buddy, anonymize fits more well as compared to clean in my point of view. As we know that AML Fighters want that these kinds of tools should be banned because these are being used for transferring illegal money and the word clean can be related to the word of cleaning your money from illegal to legal haha!
On The same side, anonymizing can mean that you are just placing transactions secretly whether the money is clean or not. So, a bitcoiners just hides itself from the system that can detect the direction of money like where it comes from or where the money is transferred. :)
Anoynmizing will also mean cleaning illegal BTC to legal ones. The statement they wrote about clean and dirty BTC is a good one because it tells the AML fighters that they have blocked the blacklisted wallet addresses holding dirty BTC so they won't be mixing here thus it's a surety for the long-term existence of the platform.
I like the statement because they care about their users. Who would want to mix their coins with dirt BTC after some time due to the involvement of regulatory departments you will be facing problems. It's better to void dirty BTC. Rephrasing the word is not a good idea.
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so the good things about all this is that after the RoyalMix team has been able to rectify those errors we believe it will not possibly happen again.
It is quite positive if they listen to user experiences and react quickly to adopt good suggestions and improve their platform. Every platform, and service must pass the test phase and it is almost impossible to make it ideal without additional improvements.
Of course you are right listening to users experience is very important because that's one of the factors that attract users into the platform also one of the good things about listening to the users experience is that from there they would be able to understand what users want and improve on that, however there would always be a good development from the team because the more experiences and suggestions are coming that is how they would be adding or updating more things in other to serve the users more better.
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I am glad to see that RoyalMix team quickly corrected everything that was reported.
They could think about creating review campaign next, there is a chance that someone could find more things that should be improved or corrected, and everyone will find out how website really works.
That's a good suggestion I guess. A review campaign can be pretty helpful because in that campaign members will try their best to find bugs and other issues and they can add those in their reviews. However, it isn't necessary at the moment because the dev team is already working pretty hard on fixing the other issues that were discussed on this thread.
If a review campaign is launched after few days then that could be useful for the site as reviewers will try to find the bugs that weren't fixed or that weren't found yet and mention those bugs in their reviews. I also believe that some good members can give valuable suggestions in that review campaign that could be helpful for RoyalMix.
The team is very quick; they notice all the mentioned mistakes and correct them. That's a good point. Keep it up. No project is error-free all the time, and errors rise with time to time. Those errors that need to be corrected were spotted by the users here. But still, there are many bugs, as no project is perfect. With efforts and time, these bugs will be removed or corrected by the team once they are spotted. For that, I think a review campaign is a good option where many other experts and big users look very deeply and spot the bugs. This will not only increase the age and time of the project but also give 5 stars to the project through their best and quality performance.
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so the good things about all this is that after the RoyalMix team has been able to rectify those errors we believe it will not possibly happen again.
Why doesn't it happen again?
It is quite positive if they listen to user experiences and react quickly to adopt good suggestions and improve their platform. Every platform, and service must pass the test phase and it is almost impossible to make it ideal without additional improvements.
That's a standard definition of a good development team , any developments which keep their ears closed to the public for feedback and make corrections ASAP will definitely win the heart of its users. I like the fact that Team Royalmix is working rapidly to get things done on time. Sure there is no idea website that will serve such mass public without going through additional development. The most important thing is that they don't keep their users in suspense even after complain has been made towards an issue.
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Anoynmizing will also mean cleaning illegal BTC to legal ones. The statement they wrote about clean and dirty BTC is a good one because it tells the AML fighters that they have blocked the blacklisted wallet addresses holding dirty BTC so they won't be mixing here thus it's a surety for the long-term existence of the platform.
I like the statement because they care about their users. Who would want to mix their coins with dirt BTC after some time due to the involvement of regulatory departments you will be facing problems. It's better to void dirty BTC. Rephrasing the word is not a good idea.
I'm not sure I understood you best, can you explain what exactly you mean here?
Where did they say and how did you come to the conclusion that Royalmix blocks blacklisted wallets?
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I am glad to see that RoyalMix team quickly corrected everything that was reported.
They could think about creating review campaign next, there is a chance that someone could find more things that should be improved or corrected, and everyone will find out how website really works.
This really sounds like a great idea where many users can participate in a review campaign and give a detailed review about the mixer project. In this way, the team can get help to make their project more ideal. Well, I have seen some of these kinds of campaigns on BitcoinTalk where many users share their opinions about the project in the form of a review in detail. I really would like to see this kind of campaign again here after a long time if possible.
I am not too old a user of AltcoinTalk but I am getting used to it day by day and as far as I know, there was no this kind of Review campaign launched here before right or not?
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Anoynmizing will also mean cleaning illegal BTC to legal ones. The statement they wrote about clean and dirty BTC is a good one because it tells the AML fighters that they have blocked the blacklisted wallet addresses holding dirty BTC so they won't be mixing here thus it's a surety for the long-term existence of the platform.
Blacklisted wallet addresses can broadcast a transaction and confirm it in the next block. Does this mean that miners must comply with these regulations? You can travel to a country that does not adhere to this ban list and has another list.
RoyalMix is a mixer and not a service to bypass blacklists
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Anoynmizing will also mean cleaning illegal BTC to legal ones. The statement they wrote about clean and dirty BTC is a good one because it tells the AML fighters that they have blocked the blacklisted wallet addresses holding dirty BTC so they won't be mixing here thus it's a surety for the long-term existence of the platform.
I like the statement because they care about their users. Who would want to mix their coins with dirt BTC after some time due to the involvement of regulatory departments you will be facing problems. It's better to void dirty BTC. Rephrasing the word is not a good idea.
I'm not sure I understood you best, can you explain what exactly you mean here?
Where did they say and how did you come to the conclusion that Royalmix blocks blacklisted wallets?
Blacklisted (https://www.quora.com/Can-you-explain-the-difference-between-a-blacklisted-wallet-and-a-hot-wallet#:~:text=A%20blacklisted%20wallet%20is%20a,its%20funds%20frozen%20or%20confiscated.) wallet addresses means they are reported by authorities that they have been involved in money laundering therefore they can be blocked by royalmixer. I am not saying they wrote anywhere the method to prevent the inflow of dirty BTC is using a list of blacklisted wallets to confirm before confirming the session. I just thought they must be using this method because its the easiest way to do this.
They are not obtaining KYC and other stuff to prevent Money Laundering. So this must be it. If you want to share something on this then I'm all ears.
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Blacklisted (https://www.quora.com/Can-you-explain-the-difference-between-a-blacklisted-wallet-and-a-hot-wallet#:~:text=A%20blacklisted%20wallet%20is%20a,its%20funds%20frozen%20or%20confiscated.) wallet addresses means they are reported by authorities that they have been involved in money laundering therefore they can be blocked by royalmixer. I am not saying they wrote anywhere the method to prevent the inflow of dirty BTC is using a list of blacklisted wallets to confirm before confirming the session. I just thought they must be using this method because its the easiest way to do this.
They are not obtaining KYC and other stuff to prevent Money Laundering. So this must be it. If you want to share something on this then I'm all ears.
You cannot assume that any filtering is being done unless they explicitly say it.
Also, I generally dislike the idea of excluding any sort of address from mixers in the first place. You can think about it for a second with a simple example. I'm sure you know that there are a lot of BTC users in Iran or Venezuela for example. So what happens when a bunch of Bitcoin addresses belonging to these people are blacklisted for "money laundering" although it is a blanket ban?
The problem here is that we do not know the honesty of the people who make the rules about this.
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They are not obtaining KYC and other stuff to prevent Money Laundering. So this must be it. If you want to share something on this then I'm all ears.
A good mixer cannot require kyc or do anything to deanonymize their customers, that would defeat the purpose why one wants to use a mixer, which is for privacy and anonymity. I also do not believe in the 'dirty' BTC bullshit, neither do i agree that coins should be blackilisted, because that is an attack on BTC fungibility. RoyalMix service has not said anything about blacklisting addresses, so let us not speculate on that.
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They are not obtaining KYC and other stuff to prevent Money Laundering. So this must be it. If you want to share something on this then I'm all ears.
Why on earth would any mixer ask for KYC from their customers and why would they try to prevent anything? :o
RoyalMix is just a website that is offering a service to help users conceal their past transaction and provide more privacy.
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I am not saying they wrote anywhere the method to prevent the inflow of dirty BTC is using a list of blacklisted wallets to confirm before confirming the session. I just thought they must be using this method because its the easiest way to do this.
This sounded completely different to me
that they have blocked the blacklisted wallet addresses holding dirty BTC so they won't be mixing here thus it's a surety
They are not obtaining KYC and other stuff to prevent Money Laundering. So this must be it. If you want to share something on this then I'm all ears.
You seem like you don't understand the basic concept of a mixer. AML check and mixer service does not go together at all because one cancels the purpose of the other.
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They are not obtaining KYC and other stuff to prevent Money Laundering. So this must be it. If you want to share something on this then I'm all ears.
Money laundering is what the address owner is trying to do with the mixer, and it doesn't actually change the fact that the next addresses tracked will be blacklisted as well. Don't think that services that implement KYC are not exploited by criminals. CZ was arrested for money laundering on his centralized service. Asking for kyc only hurts normal users who want privacy. The mixer business doesn't work this way.
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You cannot assume that any filtering is being done unless they explicitly say it.
Also, I generally dislike the idea of excluding any sort of address from mixers in the first place. You can think about it for a second with a simple example. I'm sure you know that there are a lot of BTC users in Iran or Venezuela for example. So what happens when a bunch of Bitcoin addresses belonging to these people are blacklisted for "money laundering" although it is a blanket ban?
The problem here is that we do not know the honesty of the people who make the rules about this.
Got your point. I will be more careful next time with my words, explicitly. I also don't like the idea of excluding addresses from using a mixer because then what purpose it will have?
A good mixer cannot require kyc or do anything to deanonymize their customers, that would defeat the purpose why one wants to use a mixer, which is for privacy and anonymity. I also do not believe in the 'dirty' BTC bullshit, neither do i agree that coins should be blackilisted, because that is an attack on BTC fungibility. RoyalMix service has not said anything about blacklisting addresses, so let us not speculate on that.
I also tried to say the same thing, that KYC can't be taken via mixer because that's not their purpose. I did not know about the thoughts of you guys on dirty BTC but I am glad now I know.
They are not obtaining KYC and other stuff to prevent Money Laundering. So this must be it. If you want to share something on this then I'm all ears.
Why on earth would any mixer ask for KYC from their customers and why would they try to prevent anything? :o
RoyalMix is just a website that is offering a service to help users conceal their past transaction and provide more privacy.
I also tried to say the same thing.
You seem like you don't understand the basic concept of a mixer. AML check and mixer service does not go together at all because one cancels the purpose of the other.
I know mixers should not be asking around for our IDs and that's what their purpose is. And that's not what I meant. I said they can't ask for IDs then they might be using this method for blocking purposes, but I never said they wrote it somewhere, I thought it was the easiest way to make it happen so I put maybe. I was unable to convey my point.
They are not obtaining KYC and other stuff to prevent Money Laundering. So this must be it. If you want to share something on this then I'm all ears.
Money laundering is what the address owner is trying to do with the mixer, and it doesn't actually change the fact that the next addresses tracked will be blacklisted as well. Don't think that services that implement KYC are not exploited by criminals. CZ was arrested for money laundering on his centralized service. Asking for kyc only hurts normal users who want privacy. The mixer business doesn't work this way.
I have a good knowledge that, KYC can't really stop money laundering because people are so smart that they can bypass such verification systems too. I also know mixers aren't supposed to ask for verification. I think I was unable to convey my point. Sorry for that.
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have a good knowledge that, KYC can't really stop money laundering because people are so smart that they can bypass such verification systems too. I also know mixers aren't supposed to ask for verification. I think I was unable to convey my point. Sorry for that.
You are right because kyc is just a measure but it cannot prevent money laundering because even most exchanges that enabled the use of kyc I believe that most people still use it for money laundering but however in the case of mixers there is no way we should expect it to be kyc enabled because the purpose of Royalmix has nothing to do with kyc and also in terms of money laundering I don't think mixers should be question because they are only offering there services to people who wants to use there platform to mix.
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Money laundering is what the address owner is trying to do with the mixer,
Maybe i didn't understand you well, but if it is what i think, take note that not everyone who uses a mixer is into an illicit business, people can choose to remain private without being involved in any crime. That's why if people ask you what you have to hide when you are concerned about your privacy, you simply tell them that you do not want people to have a knowledge of your funds, and you have a right to protect your privacy.
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I spoke with the RoyalMix team regarding the JokerMix situation and was informed that the RoyalMix developers had previously worked on part of the JokerMix open source code (the collaboration was initiated by JokerMix). There is nothing else that connects these two mixers, including the mixing methods used by these platforms.
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There is nothing else that connects these two mixers, including the mixing methods used by these platforms.
It's great to hear that RoyalMix and JockerMix aren't run by same team. It's good to know that those two mixers aren't connected with each other and hope to see both of them getting success in mixer world.
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I spoke with the RoyalMix team regarding the JokerMix situation and was informed that the RoyalMix developers had previously worked on part of the JokerMix open source code (the collaboration was initiated by JokerMix). There is nothing else that connects these two mixers, including the mixing methods used by these platforms.
Where is that opensource code for jokermix for us to see?
Today I tested that mixer, I could not perform and finalize mixing because of their error, and I didnt see any link for their source code.
I am hoping that Royalmix dont have the same bugs as jokermix.
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I am hoping that Royalmix dont have the same bugs as jokermix.
There is no need to worry, the mixer is working normally.
Btw, I have great news.
The RoyalMix team informed me that fees have been reduced! The information on the website has been updated.
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]There is no need to worry, the mixer is working normally.
I dont worry about that.
The RoyalMix team informed me that fees have been reduced! The information on the website has been updated.
What are the fees now after this change?
I visited RoyalMixer page and they are still showing 7.5% fee when mixing less than 0.01 BTC.
Than I started mixing procedure and I saw the same fees like before.
Lowest fees are 1.3% but that is only for whales that have between 25 and 50 Bitcoins.
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I spoke with the RoyalMix team regarding the JokerMix situation and was informed that the RoyalMix developers had previously worked on part of the JokerMix open source code (the collaboration was initiated by JokerMix). There is nothing else that connects these two mixers, including the mixing methods used by these platforms.
Where is that opensource code for jokermix for us to see?
Today I tested that mixer, I could not perform and finalize mixing because of their error, and I didnt see any link for their source code.
I am hoping that Royalmix dont have the same bugs as jokermix.
There is no need to panic, Royalmix is working perfectly fine, all you need to do is just follow the usual procedures and you'll get your coin mixed to your receiving wallet address. I'm glad hear that the both mixers have nothing in common, the Development Team on Royalmix has been really outstanding in providing solutions to bugs and issues on the mixing, and currently the program is free from bug and you'll definitely acknowledge a good user experience when you try it out.
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The RoyalMix team informed me that fees have been reduced! The information on the website has been updated.
That is really great news, and that the mixer is working normally as well. Checking the website i see that one can now mix less than 6 BTC (2BTC-6BTC) for a 2% commision and less than 2 BTC (1 BTC-2 BTC) for a 4.5% commission, i believe that is the changes that occurred, comparing it with the previous fee structure.
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The RoyalMix team informed me that fees have been reduced! The information on the website has been updated.
That is really great news, and that the mixer is working normally as well. Checking the website i see that one can now mix less than 6 BTC (2BTC-6BTC) for a 2% commision and less than 2 BTC (1 BTC-2 BTC) for a 4.5% commission, i believe that is the changes that occurred, comparing it with the previous fee structure.
So exciting to here that fees are reduced on Royalmix this is what we as the end users constantly lookout from companies that render services, most especially if you are a frequent user of the platform which make more sense since one will be saving alot od money from the fees.
I will give this mixer a try any moment from now, and hoping to see more excellent services from the Royalmixer team.
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I am hoping that Royalmix dont have the same bugs as jokermix.
There is no need to worry, the mixer is working normally.
Btw, I have great news.
The RoyalMix team informed me that fees have been reduced! The information on the website has been updated.
Is indeed is a great news for everyone and a good thing that RoyalMix was able to reduce there transaction fees to make things more easier for people because fees are mostly one of the major challenges most people normally face in mixing there coin on most platforms which always results them to look out for mixing platforms that has more lesser fees, so with this current development from RoyalMix in terms of there reduction of fees will not only enhance there performance but will also attract more users to the RoyalMix because they have been able to consider the issue of fees most people normally have and made it easy for them by reducing there fees.
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So exciting to here that fees are reduced on Royalmix this is what we as the end users constantly lookout from companies that render services, most especially if you are a frequent user of the platform which make more sense since one will be saving alot od money from the fees.
In RoyalMix website, the more coins you mix is the less amount in withdrawal commission that you pay, take note of the changes in the commission structure that i posted. However, if you are mixing anything less than 1 BTC, you'll pay commission ranging from 5% to 7.5%.
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I spoke with the RoyalMix team regarding the JokerMix situation and was informed that the RoyalMix developers had previously worked on part of the JokerMix open source code (the collaboration was initiated by JokerMix). There is nothing else that connects these two mixers, including the mixing methods used by these platforms.
After Klq!@Gjqoqp./ post, I did a short domain analysis, DNS & hosting settings, but I couldn't find a connection between these two sites. After that, I saw that his post was deleted (unfortunately without an explanation), so the only thing that comes up as a reason is that the claims are not reliable.
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Is indeed is a great news for everyone and a good thing that RoyalMix was able to reduce there transaction fees to make things more easier for people because fees are mostly one of the major challenges most people normally face in mixing there coin on most platforms which always results them to look out for mixing platforms that has more lesser fees,
Reducing fees is good if the mixing is less than 1 bitcoin, and it will be good for the majority of who uses the mixer. As for the mixer, they can analyze any percentage that is mixed extensively on the site and reduce fees according to that.
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A small update... Since cases of phishing attempts by copying the RoyalMix website have become more frequent, the Royal team decided to purchase consonant, similar domain names (and redirected to the original website). ROYALMIX.IO (http://ROYALMIX.IO)
Remember that RoyalMix will never ask you to send money via telegram, or through any other contacts; all mixing sessions are carried out completely automatically, and are created exclusively through their official website.
And also be skeptical of any information on the Internet and always check the website link when mixing, as well as the PGP, to make sure that it is really RoyalMix (ECFE BB0B 364B C347 A59A 6FF6 CA22 E275 0AFA A10E).
p.s. List of purchased domains (the list is larger than I listed.. about 50 domains). Below are some of the redirect domains.
royallmix.com
royallmix.io
royallmix.online
royallmix.website
royallmix.xyz
royalmiix.com
royalmiix.io
royalmiix.xyz
royalmix.net
royalmix.online
royalmix.pro
royalmix.website
royalmix.xyz
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p.s. List of purchased domains (the list is larger than I listed.. about 50 domains). Below are some of the redirect domains.
Great initiative to protect customers, it is a big annual fee if RoyalMix has to maintain 50+ domains. Fighting fraudsters is so hard. Just checked several domain registrars and still found similar Royalmix domain names.
If the team needs to buy more, I have some discount coupons from "Avast SafePrice" extension. I don't know if it can really be claimed from other accounts, if the team wants I can share it privately and for free (while I never use it).
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Gosh, those scammers are vigilant aren't they.
Whenever they see a new mixer they buy all the domain names associated with it and then they use them to try to scam people for a lot of money.
It causes these services to waste hundreds of dollars a year in anti-phishing tactics.
Generally speaking, I like to use the "IDN Safe" extension on Chrome which will automatically block "punycode" websites. It's not perfect, but it does the trick. And the rest I can catch with a simple eye test.
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There is no need to panic, Royalmix is working perfectly fine, all you need to do is just follow the usual procedures and you'll get your coin mixed to your receiving wallet address. I'm glad hear that the both mixers have nothing in common, the Development Team on Royalmix has been really outstanding in providing solutions to bugs and issues on the mixing, and currently the program is free from bug and you'll definitely acknowledge a good user experience when you try it out.
This is called teamwork and this how the team should work as we all are helping the Royalmix to find any website mistakes, bugs even if they are in their codes, and changing of words on the site, now here we get another good update from the boss icopress where the team have reduced the fee, another one as team have bought 50 plus domains so that the community stay safe from scammers.
I really like the way, our boss icopress leading us and besides this, he keeps us up to date about the project under which we all working. Along with this, one more good thing is that the Royalmix team works on the responses they get here from the forum. Many Thanks, sir!
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another one as team have bought 50 plus domains so that the community stay safe from scammers.
No, no, you don't always have to feel safe from scammers. If you use the dnstwist site, there are thousands of permutation results and more than 100 identical and similar domains to royalmix.io. It is impossible to claim it all, instead there is a lot of possibility that a careless user visited one of the phishing domains that the royalmix team has not yet acquired.
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A small update... Since cases of phishing attempts by copying the RoyalMix website have become more frequent, the Royal team decided to purchase consonant, similar domain names (and redirected to the original website). ROYALMIX.IO (http://ROYALMIX.IO)
Does RoyalMix team have any plans to make all this alternative domains active for mixing service same as the main domain?
I tried typing several domains you listed and they are all redirecting to main royalmix.io website.
This is not a bad idea but it's not going to be cheap to maintain all this domains active.
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p.s. List of purchased domains (the list is larger than I listed.. about 50 domains). Below are some of the redirect domains.
Good initiative, i am sure it will come at a cost, and the crazy thing is that it is still not enough to protect the people who don't verify services before using. Surely RoyalMix cannot buy all similar domains, so users also have to help themselves avoid cloned and phishing websites, the mixer can only try its best, but bulk of the responsibility is on the users.
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Good initiative, i am sure it will come at a cost, and the crazy thing is that it is still not enough to protect the people who don't verify services before using. Surely RoyalMix cannot buy all similar domains, so users also have to help themselves avoid cloned and phishing websites, the mixer can only try its best, but bulk of the responsibility is on the users.
If the domains they bought are the ones that users might find difficult to distinguish between the original and phishing (for those that are not too observant) they the mixer have done a very great job.
I remember a mixer back at btt that was faced with phishing attack and since they didn’t acquire different versions of their domains like royalmix.io did it became much easier for the attackers to succeed in their phishing attempts and much difficult for users to differentiate the real from the phishing site.
Imagine the real domain extension being “dot io” and phishing domain extension being “dot xyz,fun,co” - some people might not even bother to check it as long as the name is correctly spelt.
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Good initiative, i am sure it will come at a cost, and the crazy thing is that it is still not enough to protect the people who don't verify services before using. Surely RoyalMix cannot buy all similar domains, so users also have to help themselves avoid cloned and phishing websites, the mixer can only try its best, but bulk of the responsibility is on the users.
It's coming at a big cost, but the expenditure is not significant at all when you compare it to the revenue that RoyalMix makes in a given month. (I would've said year, but they just launched and so we don't have enough data to claim anything about how much they make in a year).
When you think about it, the cost of the domains amount to like $300+ per year, because some TLDs are more expensive than others, like .io.
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p.s. List of purchased domains (the list is larger than I listed.. about 50 domains). Below are some of the redirect domains.
Good initiative, i am sure it will come at a cost, and the crazy thing is that it is still not enough to protect the people who don't verify services before using. Surely RoyalMix cannot buy all similar domains, so users also have to help themselves avoid cloned and phishing websites, the mixer can only try its best, but bulk of the responsibility is on the users.
I hope that this will not relax the users too much, so they will think that every royalmix domain is owned by the original Royalmix creators. A large number of registered domains requires more maintenance (especially if more than one registrar is used). Once one of them is not renewed, it opens a potentially more dangerous hole.
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I hope that this will not relax the users too much, so they will think that every royalmix domain is owned by the original Royalmix creators.
I hope not too, i know people are very lazy, even in things that they shouldn't be. But we hope people show more reponsibility in protecting themselves and their funds, the BTC network in itself is not centralized, and i expect a large number of people to know the axiom: 'don't trust, verify'.
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I hope that this will not relax the users too much, so they will think that every royalmix domain is owned by the original Royalmix creators. A large number of registered domains requires more maintenance (especially if more than one registrar is used). Once one of them is not renewed, it opens a potentially more dangerous hole.
I agree with you, vigilance is always needed.
I just visited godaddy website searching for all domains with Royalmix and I found many of them available for purchase.
Scammers have their dirty tricks in replacing one or two letters so they have limitless number of combinations.
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Good initiative, i am sure it will come at a cost, and the crazy thing is that it is still not enough to protect the people who don't verify services before using. Surely RoyalMix cannot buy all similar domains, so users also have to help themselves avoid cloned and phishing websites, the mixer can only try its best, but bulk of the responsibility is on the users.
I hope that this will not relax the users too much, so they will think that every royalmix domain is owned by the original Royalmix creators. A large number of registered domains requires more maintenance (especially if more than one registrar is used). Once one of them is not renewed, it opens a potentially more dangerous hole.
They’ll just have to watch out for those that won’t direct them to “royal mix.io” - if they click on any site and it stays there without redirecting, then it should be treated as phishing link but if it takes them to the official site then no problem.
It shouldn’t be a big problem for those that have already developed the habit of cross checking the url of a site before using it.
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I agree with you, vigilance is always needed.
I just visited godaddy website searching for all domains with Royalmix and I found many of them available for purchase.
Scammers have their dirty tricks in replacing one or two letters so they have limitless number of combinations.
This means that even if you have invested a lot in buying domains to protect your brand, there are still many opportunities for scammers.
What about similar domains, it is enough that instead of the letter "l" it is "I". So, royaIMix.any tld...
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I agree with you, vigilance is always needed.
I just visited godaddy website searching for all domains with Royalmix and I found many of them available for purchase.
Scammers have their dirty tricks in replacing one or two letters so they have limitless number of combinations.
This means that even if you have invested a lot in buying domains to protect your brand, there are still many opportunities for scammers.
What about similar domains, it is enough that instead of the letter "l" it is "I". So, royaIMix.any tld...
If what RoyalMix did reducing the scam rate, even by 1%, it will be good and will gain the respect for those who want to use their mixing service. If scam cases occur, then RoyalMix did the best possible.
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If what RoyalMix did reducing the scam rate, even by 1%, it will be good and will gain the respect for those who want to use their mixing service. If scam cases occur, then RoyalMix did the best possible.
The service can only do its best for their customers and just as you said, whoever this good act of purchasing some similar domain name helps, it is something worth it. I recommend that people who successfully mix in the original website should bookmark it, so that they do not have to type it in every other mixing session.
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If what RoyalMix did reducing the scam rate, even by 1%, it will be good and will gain the respect for those who want to use their mixing service. If scam cases occur, then RoyalMix did the best possible.
The service can only do its best for their customers and just as you said, whoever this good act of purchasing some similar domain name helps, it is something worth it. I recommend that people who successfully mix in the original website should bookmark it, so that they do not have to type it in every other mixing session.
Is the responsibility of internet user to protect themselves and for sure the mixer can try their best to block every possible means that scammers can use to gain access user and scamming them off thehard earn money, but the efforts of the team are as good as the complement of the efforts of the user also, trying to stay up to date with the necessary information and taking extra security steps always place us ahead of the scammers.
The mixer market is a highly attractive service that scammers find most interesting since mixer is all about privacy they explore that avenue to take advantage of that privacy to scam and hide forever.
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p.s. List of purchased domains (the list is larger than I listed.. about 50 domains). Below are some of the redirect domains.
That is smart of them to actually buy more domain names in other to reduce website cloning and scam, using a similar. Now the risk of entering the wrong address has been limited and if anyone paraventure fall into scam, then they are to be blamed for their carelessness, having bought 50 domain name, it's obvious they care about their reputation and are concerned with user security and experience. A big thumbs up to Royalmix, they never seize to amaze me. It's also good knowing that the fees has been reduced, fees are another factor to consider when choosing a mixer and the fees are absolutely affordable.
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A small update... Since cases of phishing attempts by copying the RoyalMix website have become more frequent, the Royal team decided to purchase consonant, similar domain names (and redirected to the original website). ROYALMIX.IO (http://ROYALMIX.IO)
Wow that's good I love the idea from royalmix because is a good way to eradicate scammers from duplicating the royalmix domain because scammers go the extreme in making sure they look for a way to scam people because not just on royalmix but also in most of the mixers, so is a good thing royalmix has been able to identify those loopholes and eradicate it, however one of the measure I like about there domain development is that after clicking on it it takes the users directly to their main website, so it makes it more easier for users to identify if they are on the right domain or not, so perhaps anybody who click on the link and it takes the person elsewhere the person should no that is not the appropriate link.
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Wow that's good I love the idea from royalmix because is a good way to eradicate scammers from duplicating the royalmix domain because scammers go the extreme in making sure they look for a way to scam people
The threat has not been eradicated, for something to be eradicated, it has been destroyed completely. The threat has only been reduced, which is a very good thing. There are still other similar domain names out there that can be purchased by illicit dealers, so everyone should remain vigilant.
I raise this point so people don't relax and believe the threat has been 'eradicated', that is when they will make themselves easy victims.
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This means that even if you have invested a lot in buying domains to protect your brand, there are still many opportunities for scammers.
What about similar domains, it is enough that instead of the letter "l" it is "I". So, royaIMix.any tld...
Exactly.
It is impossible to stop all scammers from doing this, but it is good that RoyalMix team decided to do the best they can with purchasing other domain names.
They should add warning for customers on their website to be careful, and a list of other domains their own for everyone to see easy.
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This means that even if you have invested a lot in buying domains to protect your brand, there are still many opportunities for scammers.
What about similar domains, it is enough that instead of the letter "l" it is "I". So, royaIMix.any tld...
Exactly.
It is impossible to stop all scammers from doing this, but it is good that RoyalMix team decided to do the best they can with purchasing other domain names.
They should add warning for customers on their website to be careful, and a list of other domains their own for everyone to see easy.
One thing very and always certain is that scammer will always find a way to try to carry out their scam activities, and as business, trying to buy out as many domains as they are that are related or resembles your original business domain off the market to keep scammer away from utilizing it to scam you off your prospective customers isn't really an end solution to the problem.
A better and more cost effective solution I would say is that, businesses should devote time and some dedication to always posting and educating users and potential users of the dangers of accessing their service from a phishing/fake website, people should never search out and try to access websites through google or any other search engine, but better still is to get the original social media handle of the service of business, and get the website link from there, this i think is always safer, specially when visiting a site for the very first time before it's bookmarked.
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This means that even if you have invested a lot in buying domains to protect your brand, there are still many opportunities for scammers.
What about similar domains, it is enough that instead of the letter "l" it is "I". So, royaIMix.any tld...
Scammers can come with such ideas because they try their best to trap the Royalmix users and that's why they can make domains in that way too or might add dashes in between letters like Royal-mix. TLD as that's also possible but still I believe it will be a great step by RoyalMix to buy all good and top TLDs as those can be easily used to trick the users.
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Wow that's good I love the idea from royalmix because is a good way to eradicate scammers from duplicating the royalmix domain because scammers go the extreme in making sure they look for a way to scam people
The threat has not been eradicated, for something to be eradicated, it has been destroyed completely. The threat has only been reduced, which is a very good thing. There are still other similar domain names out there that can be purchased by illicit dealers, so everyone should remain vigilant.
Yeah you are right and I also understand your point but however the reason why I feel the threats has been eradicated is that the Royalmix team has been able to develop a domain that will never be the same as any other similar domain that could be purchased by any illicit dealer because the difference is the redirection when you click on the link and it takes you to the main website, so perhaps a user should be able to identify between those domain, well just like you said no matter anything we should be very vigilant.
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Yeah you are right and I also understand your point but however the reason why I feel the threats has been eradicated is that the Royalmix team has been able to develop a domain that will never be the same as any other similar domain that could be purchased by any illicit dealer because the difference is the redirection when you click on the link and it takes you to the main website, so perhaps a user should be able to identify between those domain, well just like you said no matter anything we should be very vigilant.
I don't think you fully understand what RoyalMix has done here, they have purchased ~ 50 similar domain names, and if you click on any of these purchased domain names, it will redirect you to the original mixer website.
However, there are still other similar domain names out there that have not been purchased by RoyalMix. Take note of the cost involved here, so you see it is not possible for them to purchase it all and so the threat has not be eradicated, only reduced, so people should still stay vigilant. Don't trust, verify.
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A better and more cost effective solution I would say is that, businesses should devote time and some dedication to always posting and educating users and potential users of the dangers of accessing their service from a phishing/fake website, people should never search out and try to access websites through google or any other search engine, but better still is to get the original social media handle of the service of business, and get the website link from there, this i think is always safer, specially when visiting a site for the very first time before it's bookmarked.
They can try to educate forum members or create a special blog page on their website to help this, but I think most people get scammed are finding mixing websites using google.
I dont know if RoyalMix is using social media like X but could also help with basic education.
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They can try to educate forum members or create a special blog page on their website to help this, but I think most people get scammed are finding mixing websites using google.
I dont know if RoyalMix is using social media like X but could also help with basic education.
Given that Royalmix has started a fight against phishing, I would suggest another change, which will warn users to check if they are using the right domain.
For example, before moving to the mixing page, the user must click to verify a checkbox that warns him to check the URL in the browser and whether he is on the right page. It will certainly not be in the interest of impersonators and phishing sites to copy this part.
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but I think most people get scammed are finding mixing websites using google.
I think so too, some people want to mix their coins and they simply search on google, and that can lead them to a phishing website, of course people who are going to access RoyalMix through this forum will surely land in the correct website.
I dont know if RoyalMix is using social media like X but could also help with basic education.
I don't think they are on X, the only social media platform i think they are on is Telegram.
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This is called teamwork and this how the team should work as we all are helping the Royalmix to find any website mistakes, bugs even if they are in their codes, and changing of words on the site, now here we get another good update from the boss icopress where the team have reduced the fee, another one as team have bought 50 plus domains so that the community stay safe from scammers.
This is also called their dedication to the services. Buying 50-plus domains proves their dedication to Royalmix and it also proves that it is here to stay forever and will be the most used mixer because of the reduction in the fee. Buying all these domains for just safety and proving longness is a hint that its have the best team and that all the users are safe while using it.
one more good thing is that the Royalmix team works on the responses they get here from the forum. Many Thanks, sir!
This quick response from the team will make it more user-friendly, responsive and error-free. I appreciate their dedication to the Royalmix. Because a project cannot fail if they are listening to their customers. Members are giving really helpful recommendations which are helping for the Royalmix but educational too.
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A small update... Since cases of phishing attempts by copying the RoyalMix website have become more frequent, the Royal team decided to purchase consonant, similar domain names (and redirected to the original website). ROYALMIX.IO (http://ROYALMIX.IO)
p.s. List of purchased domains (the list is larger than I listed.. about 50 domains). Below are some of the redirect domains.
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Suggestion: I think it's ok to redirect, but maybe this is also an opportunity to educate their users on checking domains and which ones are legit. The user goes to royalmiix.io (two "I"), he is redirected and mixes his coins successfully, he thinks he did nothing wrong because... well, nothing went wrong. When in fact, a scammer could have owned that domain and he would be rekt.
Maybe add a banner saying that royalmix bought that domain to prevent scammers from impersonating them, but only the .io domain is the "official" one.
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Maybe add a banner saying that royalmix bought that domain to prevent scammers from impersonating them, but only the .io domain is the "official" one.
Good suggestion, i agree with you. Customers who get redirected from any of these bought domains may think they did absolutely nothing wrong, until they enter a phishing domain that has not been bought by the team. I don't know how much work or expenses it would cost to implement what you have suggested, but if it is not too much, then i also recommend it.
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Given that Royalmix has started a fight against phishing, I would suggest another change, which will warn users to check if they are using the right domain.
For example, before moving to the mixing page, the user must click to verify a checkbox that warns him to check the URL in the browser and whether he is on the right page. It will certainly not be in the interest of impersonators and phishing sites to copy this part.
Fight against scammers and protection against phishing is not an easy battle to have, so it is better to have more options for protection and education.
But scammers can create the same checkbox warning and replace address with their own that is malicious.
Websites that have list of all mixers should add some information how to protect against phishing attacks.
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Maybe add a banner saying that royalmix bought that domain to prevent scammers from impersonating them, but only the .io domain is the "official" one.
good suggestion and better than redirection which may give a false sense of security that you will always be redirected to the official page.
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I don't know how much work or expenses it would cost to implement what you have suggested, but if it is not too much, then i also recommend it.
It's easy setup, just need to create 1 specific page or subdomain inside the official domain like splash page that displays big logo of the site before entering the main page. If user visit Royalmix not using official domain, then they will be greeted with warning page first. All alternate domain pages can be redirected to warning page through DNS setting.
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It's easy setup, just need to create 1 specific page or subdomain inside the official domain like splash page that displays big logo of the site before entering the main page. If user visit Royalmix not using official domain, then they will be greeted with warning page first. All alternate domain pages can be redirected to warning page through DNS setting.
Oh, then great, i think this is something the RoyalMix team should consider, it would educate those who are redirected through the 'unofficial' domains that they should take note of the official domain and bookmark it, and only visit RoyalMix through it.
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It's easy setup, just need to create 1 specific page or subdomain inside the official domain like splash page that displays big logo of the site before entering the main page. If user visit Royalmix not using official domain, then they will be greeted with warning page first. All alternate domain pages can be redirected to warning page through DNS setting.
Oh, then great, i think this is something the RoyalMix team should consider, it would educate those who are redirected through the 'unofficial' domains that they should take note of the official domain and bookmark it, and only visit RoyalMix through it.
The problem is, won’t those scammer be able to replicate the same thing? Like putting up a banner in this site and then instead of putting the official “.io” domain they’ll put their own phishing link?
In addition to what was mentioned above, Royalmix.io team should also consider creating a page that contains all the domains that they own, so that users can easily go there to check if it belongs to them or not.
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Fight against scammers and protection against phishing is not an easy battle to have, so it is better to have more options for protection and education.
But scammers can create the same checkbox warning and replace address with their own that is malicious.
Websites that have list of all mixers should add some information how to protect against phishing attacks.
Indeed this is so true buddy as we know that these fraudsters keep changing their ways to scam users in the market as when they come to know about the implementation of new technologies, they start to make another way for their easiness so that they can do more scams with people and we all know that sometimes real things looks too legit in the crypto space so here one has to think before making any of his/her action on any task.
Besides this, buddy I can see at the ending line of your post that you suggest something to the royalmix team. Do you mean to say, adding another page to educate users on how they can stay away from these scammers so that they can make sure of those transactions they had made were fine? if that is so, in my view, this can be a good implementation. additionally, this can help users to educate themselves about the fraudulent activities of the scammers.
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I'm pleased to announce that the first RoyalMix.io's Free Raffle is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join ; and to try to win the $45 prize! Good luck to all of you (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[FREE RAFFLE] 👑 RoyalMix.io - Premium Bitcoin mixer 👑 Prize $45 in BTC - #1 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323156.msg1596971#msg1596971)
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I'm pleased to announce that the first RoyalMix.io's Free Raffle is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join ; and to try to win the $45 prize! Good luck to all of you (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[FREE RAFFLE] 👑 RoyalMix.io - Premium Bitcoin mixer 👑 Prize $45 in BTC - #1 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323156.msg1596971#msg1596971)
I have applied and hopefully luck is on my side during this round.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/07/30/5du0I.gif)
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I'm pleased to announce that the first RoyalMix.io's Free Raffle is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join ; and to try to win the $45 prize! Good luck to all of you (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[FREE RAFFLE] 👑 RoyalMix.io - Premium Bitcoin mixer 👑 Prize $45 in BTC - #1 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323156.msg1596971#msg1596971)
I have applied and hopefully luck is on my side during this round.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/07/30/5du0I.gif)
Thanks for sharing this👍 because with it I won't be able to know that royal mixer is giving away $45, although I read about it somewhere a few day ago but did not put in interest until I read this comments tonight and I am going to give my luck a try.
Wishing everyone good luck and thank to the royal mixer team for bringing this one up here to spice of the space with some freebies.
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I'm pleased to announce that the first RoyalMix.io's Free Raffle is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join ; and to try to win the $45 prize! Good luck to all of you (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Round 1, hopefully many more rounds in the future. Thank you for the announcing it in this thread and also for running the raffle. I have joined and i urge everyone else to join, let us have fun and see if the goddess of luck vists us. Goodluck everyone and thank you to RoyalMix for this.
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Is RoyalMix alright?
Today the clearnet site is showing me a "Certificate authority invalid" TLS error, and the Tor version is just connecting endlessly without loading. And then it shows "Connection timed out", meaning the hidden service is down.
Is there a planned maintenance window occurring today that could explain this?
I certainly hope everything is OK over there.
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I’m experiencing the same thing as the post above, it just tells me “503 Service unavailable”.
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I can confirm this, I can't access both clearnet and Tor.
In the previous times it was possible to reach Tor, so I wish to put a warning message in case of maintenance.
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It's offline from my side as well. The problem with the certificate, although ignoring that problem does not change the matter.
Is there a planned maintenance window occurring today that could explain this?
I certainly hope everything is OK over there.
I suggested earlier, that it really shouldn't be a problem to create a custom error page that will notify users that it is regular maintenance. A few lines of code with information, "hey" we are currently offline, blah, blah..." (this is not a matter only with Roylamix)
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Same from my side here the site is down both the cleannet and tor version, I bet to agree with what others already said that ruetin mentainance could be the reason for this offline statues on the website, between it will be nice if we get a prior notice of the mentainance timeout so to avoid any form of panics.
So waiting to hear from the officials of the mixer wether they go into make comment on this matter any time from now, I and hoping to see the site back live again.
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So waiting to hear from the officials of the mixer wether they go into make comment on this matter any time from now, I and hoping to see the site back live again.
The manager, icopress, usually gives us update here whenever the site is down and when it will possibly be back up again. If he is aware that the website is not accessible right now, he would surely get to the team and get back to us, however, the team should consider informing their users of routine maintenance, it is easy to implement.
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Royalmix service is not working for me today, and website is showing me 503 Service Unavailable DDoS-Guard error.
When using Tor browser nothing was opening after I tried many times, so I am waiting to hear explanation from RoyalMix team.
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Good news that the Royalmix site (clearnet) is back online, still wondering what happened recently. Would love for someone to explain what significant improvements caused both versions of the webpage to be inaccessible at the same time.
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Good news that the Royalmix site (clearnet) is back online, still wondering what happened recently. Would love for someone to explain what significant improvements caused both versions of the webpage to be inaccessible at the same time.
Only the CM who is in direct contact with them will have this information - you just have to wait for him to come and share with the forum what happened that caused the site to go offline.
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Good news that the Royalmix site (clearnet) is back online, still wondering what happened recently. Would love for someone to explain what significant improvements caused both versions of the webpage to be inaccessible at the same time.
I'm glad the service is back but they need to enable https://t.me/mixerroyal to get updates about the service.
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Good news that the Royalmix site (clearnet) is back online, still wondering what happened recently. Would love for someone to explain what significant improvements caused both versions of the webpage to be inaccessible at the same time.
Yesterday I tried if I could access the Royalmix site (clearnet) but it was not working, so I'm happy they are back because I was also wondering what happened but however looking out how it went I think they were additing some features or having a minor maintenance on there website, so actually if they are adding more features is also good in other to make things more flexible for users, so actually since is a fast growing Mixer we should be expecting it sometimes because as time goes by that's how they are seeing the need to include more things.
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RoyalMix is back online for me and clearnet is working fine, but I couldn't not open onion link with Tor.
I didn't perform any mixing myself since it came back again so I can't confirm if everything is fully operational.
If anyone performs mixing please post below for everyone to see.
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I still have an error with the SSL certificate on clearnet site. The site opens normally if I choose to ignore the warning
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/03/5z3uq.png)
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I can confirm that RoyalMix clearnet site is up now and working, no error at all when i try to access it. I think the team should consider implementing what a lot of us have suggested, so we would know when they are going on a routine maintenance and when the site will possibly be online again.
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I have discovered a critical error in the letter of guarantee format.
The current format, the way it downloads for you right now, does not verify with the official RoyalMix PGP key - gpg says bad signature. Here is an example:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
Service Address: bc1qa0lyfn722x0x8d94d5navw4w34gmn9c67pzyxk
Mixing mode: Complete anonymity.
Cleansed coins will be sent to the forwarding address:
1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa
Maximum service fee is: 7.5%.
Maximum mixing time is 12 hours + delay time set by the user.
Time: 2024-08-04 05:18:36
Confirmation required -
Less than 12 bts - 1 transaction
Less than 50 bts - 2 transactions
Less than 100 bts - 3 transactions
Less than 250 bts - 4 transactions
ONLY 1 TRANSACTION ALLOWED!
PGP fingerprint: ECFEBB0B364BC347A59A6FF6CA22E2750AFAA10E.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEE7P67CzZLw0elmm/2yiLidQr6oQ4FAmavDywACgkQyiLidQr6
oQ6+ggv8CBD5cFsCWkKphw13vc3OqTN+bEJVZJBc4h9E4R6T3h6Hbm5rlfbq0GQK
WAmSTVFzO/rtZXDA6hrtbhX+e2EvfFqC74xwUgA4d34FvQCeufKZdVhXqw4bohNK
CXtavlwN8OSc5e4iD/KlnFVDlNuxLBLwx/wkOdC243woi2wV7j6rhahP8ZzVvA6Z
4KihXO7gpXTyjVfGWs7jlEFAJt9q96esC8Rykd00LF7W/ME4e3xt/8lD2omrdKvS
wh70Vq5UvkLhzW8cURzE3b8dKIwekdhPHjjojwXT/q0zNFm2hHWDFvCjaIFYG83U
hkkbMxAo6tezS/7N49PtVp3EAp+bomw6mNzphFFgt1vdTbOnMCQae8K0ZoZJ2OGY
KAH8H16VwmFJqHZySG5opW2EYqxHETWKyKDypvojueNUHAbZp8ml9MJ8ZpgwRpWh
NbLoQ6UQqCkzj4tS5pbwFq8EeTEkrsTxewbD1xMhzlk75JvjGPodzWiYSygKONzW
D/QZ29gp
=lI11
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
gpg: Signature made Sun 04 Aug 2024 07:03:17 AM CEST
gpg: using RSA key ECFEBB0B364BC347A59A6FF6CA22E2750AFAA10E
gpg: BAD signature from "Royal <[email protected]>" [unknown]
The specific error I got from GPG on deeper analysis is "hash mismatch". You can see it on pgptool.org for example.
The hash mismatch error means that the SHA512 digest of the cleartext message does not match what is encoded, and expected, inside the pgp signature.
That is because RoyalMix is putting too many blank lines inside the message text.
I suspect this is because of the fact that the letter of guarantee is transmitted in the HTML file when you go to your mixing session, so the blank lines are added there.
The correct letter of guarantee should be this:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
Service Address: bc1qa0lyfn722x0x8d94d5navw4w34gmn9c67pzyxk
Mixing mode: Complete anonymity.
Cleansed coins will be sent to the forwarding address:
1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa
Maximum service fee is: 7.5%.
Maximum mixing time is 12 hours + delay time set by the user.
Time: 2024-08-04 05:18:36
Confirmation required -
Less than 12 bts - 1 transaction
Less than 50 bts - 2 transactions
Less than 100 bts - 3 transactions
Less than 250 bts - 4 transactions
ONLY 1 TRANSACTION ALLOWED!
PGP fingerprint: ECFEBB0B364BC347A59A6FF6CA22E2750AFAA10E.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----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=lI11
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
This message verifies successfully:
gpg: Signature made Sun 04 Aug 2024 07:18:36 AM CEST
gpg: using RSA key ECFEBB0B364BC347A59A6FF6CA22E2750AFAA10E
gpg: Good signature from "Royal <[email protected]>" [unknown]
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: ECFE BB0B 364B C347 A59A 6FF6 CA22 E275 0AFA A10E
I advise the RoyalMix team to fix this as soon as possible.
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Thanks for sharing this👍 because with it I won't be able to know that royal mixer is giving away $45, although I read about it somewhere a few day ago but did not put in interest until I read this comments tonight and I am going to give my luck a try.
Wishing everyone good luck and thank to the royal mixer team for bringing this one up here to spice of the space with some freebies.
I also almost forget about it thanks for sharing it here. I did not participate yet but now I will be taking part as well. The chances are very rare and for me, I rarely win such raffles. I never won a raffle before but I won some money in some contests in the local community. I also wish good luck to myself only ;) ;) so that I could win::)
Indeed this is so true buddy as we know that these fraudsters keep changing their ways to scam users in the market as when they come to know about the implementation of new technologies, they start to make another way for their easiness so that they can do more scams with people and we all know that sometimes real things looks too legit in the crypto space so here one has to think before making any of his/her action on any task.
I agree with all of your statements scammers are always finding new ways to scam newbies in crypto but not many newbies care about privacy only the rich ones care about privacy. They need proper guidance and if the team will also educate users on how they can save themselves from scammers then it will be a great feature. We can add all the features we want but a person is exposed to a scam if he takes scams light in crypto.
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Thanks for sharing this👍 because with it I won't be able to know that royal mixer is giving away $45, although I read about it somewhere a few day ago but did not put in interest until I read this comments tonight and I am going to give my luck a try.
Wishing everyone good luck and thank to the royal mixer team for bringing this one up here to spice of the space with some freebies.
I also almost forget about it thanks for sharing it here. I did not participate yet but now I will be taking part as well. The chances are very rare and for me, I rarely win such raffles. I never won a raffle before but I won some money in some contests in the local community. I also wish good luck to myself only ;) ;) so that I could win::)
Well, this is the beauty of this thread: we know these things that we almost forget, or we hear them for the first time. If I can say the truth, then honestly, I myself didn't know that Royal Mix took such a good step to make their project more profitable and attractive. I hope I can win, but as I am too hard on destiny, winning these 45 dollars will be a tough task for me.
I agree with all of your statements scammers are always finding new ways to scam newbies in crypto but not many newbies care about privacy only the rich ones care about privacy. They need proper guidance and if the team will also educate users on how they can save themselves from scammers then it will be a great feature. We can add all the features we want but a person is exposed to a scam if he takes scams light in crypto.
Bro, the world is going to be more advanced, and that's why scammers and hackers are also making themselves smarter in order to handle these things. They not only hunt newbies but also those who are more experienced and have a large capital. For example, exchanges are more commonly hacked or scammed from time to time.
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Well, this is the beauty of this thread: we know these things that we almost forget, or we hear them for the first time.
Yes, that's true, the thread always helps to remind us about the things that we have forgot. Same as you, I was also not sure about any such contest of giveaway but after reading the posts I got information about it. I hope someone might win that amount, btw can anyone share the giveaway's link to me so I might also try my luck.
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btw can anyone share the giveaway's link to me so I might also try my luck.
I thought you read the post (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322103.msg1596973#msg1596973) on this thread reminding users about the free raffle? Notwithstanding, here[1] is the link to RoyalMix round 1 free raffle, hurry and join, because there are only a few slots left, goodluck.
[1] https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323156.msg1596971#msg1596971
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Notwithstanding, here[1] is the link to RoyalMix round 1 free raffle, hurry and join, because there are only a few slots left, goodluck.
[1] https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323156.msg1596971#msg1596971
Thanks for sharing the link with me. I picked my numbers and successfully participated in that the event sponsored by RoyalMix. Thanks once again! +1 for you.
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Less than 10 slots available :)
6 more slots to go - I’m bringing this here so that those who haven’t applied yet can take their slots before they get occupied.
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6 more slots to go - I’m bringing this here so that those who haven’t applied yet can take their slots before they get occupied.
The raffle is full now, so we have to now wait for the draw to see who wins, goodluck to everyone. This is just round one and i am sure there would be more raffles after this one, so if you don't win now, there are other chances to try your luck. Thank you to RoyalMix.
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A small update... Since cases of phishing attempts by copying the RoyalMix website have become more frequent, the Royal team decided to purchase consonant, similar domain names (and redirected to the original website). ROYALMIX.IO (http://ROYALMIX.IO)
p.s. List of purchased domains (the list is larger than I listed.. about 50 domains). Below are some of the redirect domains.
royallmix.com
royallmix.io
royallmix.online
royallmix.website
royallmix.xyz
royalmiix.com
royalmiix.io
royalmiix.xyz
royalmix.net
royalmix.online
royalmix.pro
royalmix.website
royalmix.xyz
Great, and I think we have this kind of arguments in other mixers as well to buy those domains and then there are arguments by some that it's not feasible or it might cause big money to do it. But RoyalMix.io proved otherwise. Although I might suggest to look at this websites as well for for possible homograph attack using cyrillic characters:
ṛoyalmix.io - (xn--oyalmix-853c.io)
ṙoyalmix.io - (xn--oyalmix-s53c.io)
ṟoyalmix.io - (xn--oyalmix-563c.io)
ńoyalmix.io - (xn--oyalmix-2jb.io)
rọyalmix.io - (xn--ryalmix-cx4c.io)
rỏyalmix.io - (xn--ryalmix-sx4c.io)
rȯyalmix.io - (xn--ryalmix-t2c.io)
róyalmix.io - (xn--ryalmix-l0a.io)
rơyalmix.io - (xn--ryalmix-d5b.io)
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Great, and I think we have this kind of arguments in other mixers as well to buy those domains and then there are arguments by some that it's not feasible or it might cause big money to do it. But RoyalMix.io proved otherwise. Although I might suggest to look at this websites as well for for possible homograph attack using cyrillic characters:
We have already discussed this extensively, RoyalMix cannot buy all similar domains, the cost will be so much, and they already did great by buying ~ 50 similar domains. Customers also have their own part to play in securing their funds, and doing so will reduce the victims of the cloned and phishing websites.
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This is a rhetorical question, well... maybe, but this mixer has something to do with coinroyale, they have what I call intangible brand resemblance, something of the name and the similarity of colors and even the crown...
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This is a rhetorical question, well... maybe, but this mixer has something to do with coinroyale, they have what I call intangible brand resemblance, something of the name and the similarity of colors and even the crown...
CoinRoyale is a BTC casino, while RoyalMix is a mixer. As far as i know, CoinRoyale was created in 2013, while RoyalMix was created in 2024. The resemblance you noticed could just be a coincidence, but i don't think we should speculate about two different services, except there is a tangible reason to.
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This is a rhetorical question, well... maybe, but this mixer has something to do with coinroyale, they have what I call intangible brand resemblance, something of the name and the similarity of colors and even the crown...
CoinRoyale is a BTC casino, while RoyalMix is a mixer. As far as i know, CoinRoyale was created in 2013, while RoyalMix was created in 2024. The resemblance you noticed could just be a coincidence, but i don't think we should speculate about two different services, except there is a tangible reason to.
However, you have to admit that it is quite strange that two businesses have the same word in their name. At the same time, Royal is a relatively unknown term, which makes it even more confusing why many services decided to make it part of their brand name. :D
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This is a rhetorical question, well... maybe, but this mixer has something to do with coinroyale, they have what I call intangible brand resemblance, something of the name and the similarity of colors and even the crown...
Coinroyale won't risk running a mixer or at least they won't advertise it, the similarity in fonts and design might be because the #DevelopmentTeam was part of Coinroyale just like it was with JokerMixer.
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This is a rhetorical question, well... maybe, but this mixer has something to do with coinroyale, they have what I call intangible brand resemblance, something of the name and the similarity of colors and even the crown...
If I should drop any input I’d say they used the crown because both sites have “royal” in their name not necessarily because they are related.
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However, you have to admit that it is quite strange that two businesses have the same word in their name. At the same time,
I am not saying it is not possible that they are related somehow, but we do not know that for sure and that makes it just speculation. I don't think it is weird that two businesses have same word in their name, it can happen.
Royal is a relatively unknown term, which makes it even more confusing why many services decided to make it part of their brand name. :D
Are you serious? Royal is not an unknown word or term, at least from where i come from and live.
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This is a rhetorical question, well... maybe, but this mixer has something to do with coinroyale, they have what I call intangible brand resemblance, something of the name and the similarity of colors and even the crown...
That can be a coincidence only because a casino won't want to have bonds with a mixer and none of the casinos would ever do that only because of the privacy of the coins that mixers give. CoinRoyale is a good casino and similarly RoyalMix is a good mixer.
One think to note is that RoyalMix directly comes with the word Royal while CoinRoyale comes with Royale instead of Royal. I know both of those somehow show that they offer higher level of services and that's why they used word Royal or Royale in their domains. So far I don't think they have any relation with each other.
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That can be a coincidence only because a casino won't want to have bonds with a mixer and none of the casinos would ever do that only because of the privacy of the coins that mixers give. CoinRoyale is a good casino and similarly RoyalMix is a good mixer.
Blockchain analysis have separate categories for casinos and all other gambling sites, and mixers. I don't think any of them are going to get mixed up just because the name of a mixer sounds like it might be a casino or something like that (or even part of the name). The website content is definitely in stark contrast to a casino's layout as well.
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Royal is a relatively unknown term, which makes it even more confusing why many services decided to make it part of their brand name. :D
Are you serious? Royal is not an unknown word or term, at least from where i come from and live.
I thought the smiley was enough to show sarcasm
Blockchain analysis have separate categories for casinos and all other gambling sites, and mixers. I don't think any of them are going to get mixed up just because the name of a mixer sounds like it might be a casino or something like that (or even part of the name). The website content is definitely in stark contrast to a casino's layout as well.
After the Sinbad drama, the idea was raised that maybe mixers should drop the words "mix" or variations from the name, to make them less conspicuous in some investigations. ???
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Royal is a relatively unknown term, which makes it even more confusing why many services decided to make it part of their brand name. :D
Are you serious? Royal is not an unknown word or term, at least from where i come from and live.
I thought the smiley was enough to show sarcasm
Blockchain analysis have separate categories for casinos and all other gambling sites, and mixers. I don't think any of them are going to get mixed up just because the name of a mixer sounds like it might be a casino or something like that (or even part of the name). The website content is definitely in stark contrast to a casino's layout as well.
After the Sinbad drama, the idea was raised that maybe mixers should drop the words "mix" or variations from the name, to make them less conspicuous in some investigations. ???
+1, I also have the same thoughts with that Sinbad drama and that most of the news crypto mixers might have drop the "mix" in their names so that it will be "very obvious" for some government to follow their foot prints.
And with that, we have new and catchy names by mixers.
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At the moment I see that the RoyalMix website is not responding. I also see that RoyalMix has reduced the deposit that was on xss from 0.5 BTC to 0.0008 BTC (at the same time I see that on the Probiv (https://probiv.space/threads/royalmix-mikser-s-samymi-chistymi-birzhevymi-bitkoinami.156113/) forum Royal still has a deposit of $5000. I edited the thread name by removing the "Escrow 0.5 BTC" postscript.
I do not exclude that the deposit was withdrawn to be spent on marketing, and the site is under maintenance, but I decided to make a notification. I'll come back here as soon as I have news.
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I can confirm that both clearnet and onion link are down, the site was up over the weekend. This time error message was 504 which means the service has been down or they have simply disappeared.
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Site is offline, email support didn't work, looks like my ~2btc is gone forever
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
Service Address: [redacted]
Mixing mode: Complete anonymity.
Cleansed coins will be sent to the forwarding address:
[redacted]
Maximum service fee is: 7.5%.
Maximum mixing time is 12 hours + delay time set by the user.
Time: 2024-08-17 21:19:07
Confirmation required -
Less than 12 bts - 1 transaction
Less than 50 bts - 2 transactions
Less than 100 bts - 3 transactions
Less than 250 bts - 4 transactions
ONLY 1 TRANSACTION ALLOWED!
PGP fingerprint: ECFEBB0B364BC347A59A6FF6CA22E2750AFAA10E.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEE7P67CzZLw0elmm/2yiLidQr6oQ4FAmbBE8sACgkQyiLidQr6
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9329gzDKO/az4/++5zH0qiJ5jEtVhii/vMkVbhCxAIpitQn3OQUaPlqH6vFS7sbQ
i4EChTM3tD+hNScnXyj7nCGq5ruj8olme94I9sUfB+3D47ekc5m4CrS2sLstGNns
eW7m464KXqDD9g1bdXx7ZqgF1eiETMUIaSOraWsU6Vm8SZLeHGws2Y1k4OJWKfId
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Site is offline, email support didn't work, looks like my ~2btc is gone forever
Sorry to hear what happened to you :(
Last chance you can try is to contact them on their telegram support @royalmix_io
I hope they will comeback and return your money, but scamming someone for 2 btc and shut down service is really stupid.
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Site is offline, email support didn't work, looks like my ~2btc is gone forever
Sorry for your loss, Please send a letter of guarantee to a trusted member (including your deposit address,) if that member confirm what you say and they have funds in escrow you may be get some of it.
icopress or any other trusted member.
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they have funds in escrow you may be get some of it.
icopress or any other trusted member.
Didn’t they withdrew their escrow of 0.5 BTC?
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I can confirm that both clearnet and onion link are down, the site was up over the weekend. This time error message was 504 which means the service has been down or they have simply disappeared.
Yes, as of this writing, I can also confirmed that the website is down with this error:
504 - Gateway Timeout . That’s an error.
We did not receive a timely response from the upstream server. That’s all we know.
It's very unfortunate that they will do a rug pull like this, they are still trying to built their "reputation". But I guess they have other plans to trick and scam people for as low as 2 BTC.
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I was unable to verify the authenticity of the letter of guarantee.
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/08/20/7jIad.png)
Site is offline, email support didn't work, looks like my ~2btc is gone forever
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
Service Address: [redacted]
Mixing mode: Complete anonymity.
Cleansed coins will be sent to the forwarding address:
[redacted]
Maximum service fee is: 7.5%.
Maximum mixing time is 12 hours + delay time set by the user.
Time: 2024-08-17 21:19:07
Confirmation required -
Less than 12 bts - 1 transaction
Less than 50 bts - 2 transactions
Less than 100 bts - 3 transactions
Less than 250 bts - 4 transactions
ONLY 1 TRANSACTION ALLOWED!
PGP fingerprint: ECFEBB0B364BC347A59A6FF6CA22E2750AFAA10E.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----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=xhxz
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I was also unable to speak to Royalmix. According to klarki (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322122.msg1609441#msg1609441), RoyalMix's deposit is still in place.
But as far as I can tell at this point RoyalMix has sent a request to withdraw their deposit (https://probiv.space/threads/royalmix-mikser-s-samymi-chistymi-birzhevymi-bitkoinami.156113/) (the deposit will be held for about 3 weeks before they can withdraw it).
So if your information is really correct, please post here (https://probiv.space/arbitration/) and provide a valid guarantee letter. You should get a refund. The original PGP can be found on page 1 of this thread.
It's sad to see that people still do such shitty things.
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I was unable to verify the authenticity of the letter of guarantee.
Did thejyu PM'ed you with the full letter of guarantee including the redacted wallet address? If not, that should be probably the reason, hope thejyu will reply again with the corrext LoG or PM it to you.
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I was unable to verify the authenticity of the letter of guarantee.
Did thejyu PM'ed you with the full letter of guarantee including the redacted wallet address? If not, that should be probably the reason, hope thejyu will reply again with the corrext LoG or PM it to you.
No, I haven't received it yet. But this user should hurry.
In any case, it seems JokerMix said that they know RoyalMix (they have a common employee). I think they should be brought to the hearing.
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It's very unfortunate that they will do a rug pull like this, they are still trying to built their "reputation". But I guess they have other plans to trick and scam people for as low as 2 BTC.
So sad that the people behind RoyalMix.io allowed this thing to happened. Well, maybe they don't want to do business in this "industry" anymore and decided to just go somewhere never mind if there can be some left as victims of their actions. I just learned this thing while in the crypto industry for years: trust is something that we must not easily give away to any platform that wants to do business with us...we have to make sure that we ae dealing with something with great reputation and will not hang the very people who are doing business with them. Still, am hoping that things will be back to where they were so that evereybody can be happy.
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I was unable to verify the authenticity of the letter of guarantee.
Did thejyu PM'ed you with the full letter of guarantee including the redacted wallet address? If not, that should be probably the reason, hope thejyu will reply again with the corrext LoG or PM it to you.
No, I haven't received it yet. But this user should hurry.
In any case, it seems JokerMix said that they know RoyalMix (they have a common employee). I think they should be brought to the hearing.
"You are not allowed to send personal messages."
>I see that on the Probiv forum Royal still has a deposit of $5000.
anyway $5000 = 4% from ~2btc
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I can confirm that the letter of guarantee is valid and that the funds were received at the RoyalMix address but were not returned.
Unfortunately.
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/08/20/71Sx1.png)
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It's sad to see that.. Sorry for your loss thejy..
Are there other accusations against them (I mean outside of this forum)?
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It's sad to see that..
I actually had high hopes for them due to the way they were actively working and fixing bugs pointed out by forum members in their system.
Are there other accusations against them (I mean outside of this forum)?
None has appeared on google search yet.
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Just getting to know about this, so sorry boss for what ever the Royalmix actions or inactions must have cost you as a loss, I don't know but losing to clients, or losing a good client can be very hurtful, but all the same, we usually have no choice but to put what has happened behind and move on, specially when we know that there are better opportunities ahead.
Are there other accusations against them (I mean outside of this forum)?
I don't know how long this mixer has been online, but I guess it's not quite or that long, so possibly there are not a lot of victims, or no victims at all aside from the boss (icopress), so this can be a reason why there are or may possibly be no scam accusation against them anywhere else.
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Are there other accusations against them (I mean outside of this forum)?
I don't know how long this mixer has been online, but I guess it's not quite or that long, so possibly there are not a lot of victims, or no victims at all aside from the boss (icopress), so this can be a reason why there are or may possibly be no scam accusation against them anywhere else.
User thejyu claimed to have 2BTC stuck with them. It is not a small amount, even if it is the only one, it is still too much. There is no justification or extenuating circumstances. Things like this only make it harder for other new services to gain trust.
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In any case, it seems JokerMix said that they know RoyalMix (they have a common employee). I think they should be brought to the hearing.
Jokermix also sent me this:
On the other hand I just have a little suggestion that no one has seen before do you know that royalmix.io is simply frogmixer.io?
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320791.15
You can check at the bottom of the source code session
Small web archive :
https://ibb.co/x6Bgx6q
https://web.archive.org/web/20240729175826/https://royalmix.io/crypto-mixer?id=644a0207ed4cf0747a7f200243c307b5
view-source:https://web.archive.org/web/20240729175826/https://royalmix.io/crypto-mixer?id=644a0207ed4cf0747a7f200243c307b5
It seems they are related to frogmixer that was barely online for a few days before closing.
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It seems they are related to frogmixer that was barely online for a few days before closing.
I prepared design material for Frogmixer to launch the campaign, but at the last moment they refused to make a deposit on any forum, asked for a refund and disappeared.
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~snip~
User thejyu claimed to have 2BTC stuck with them. It is not a small amount, even if it is the only one, it is still too much. There is no justification or extenuating circumstances. Things like this only make it harder for other new services to gain trust.
I don't want to rub salt in anyone's wound, but for such a large amount I would be extra careful, which means I would use at least a few mixers and divide the amount evenly. That way I would make sure that I can't lose everything in one place. Yes, it would mean that you will pay fees several times, but even that is better than throwing 2 BTC to the wind.
Let's wait and see what will happen, maybe this really is an ordinary exit scam, and maybe the owner is just in big trouble and had to destroy everything and keep quiet for a while.
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It seems they are related to frogmixer that was barely online for a few days before closing.
I remember these guys trying to create a CM like service which is clearly a scam.
If anyone is in touch with @Klq!@Gjqoqp./ they might be able to help especially since they have proven many vulnerabilities in the service.
Also how does Escrow XSS work? Isn't there supposed to be a +3 week delay before any refund request?
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It seems they are related to frogmixer that was barely online for a few days before closing.
We should be very careful with any mixer mixer that pops up in future, and we should check out the code for smilarities.
There is a chance this scammers will try to repeat the same thing with new domain and different design.
I remember these guys trying to create a CM like service which is clearly a scam.
Yes, they even started in bitcointalk forum as a fake testnet mixer and they later moved to this forum.
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Sad to see how things turned out with RoyalMix, they looked like they were ready to run a real service, but i guess they had other plans. Too bad that someone had to lose ~ 2 BTC to them, that is a lot of money, new mixers are going to have a problem gaining the trust of people, even if they are legitimate. I hope we'll see less of such services that are here only to scam.
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Sad to see how things turned out with RoyalMix, they looked like they were ready to run a real service, but i guess they had other plans. Too bad that someone had to lose ~ 2 BTC to them, that is a lot of money, new mixers are going to have a problem gaining the trust of people, even if they are legitimate. I hope we'll see less of such services that are here only to scam.
Although there's no guarantee that old mixers will become scam it should be recommended to use old mixers than the new one especially for such high amount. Testing new mixers with small amount is okay but i wouldn't use them amounting more than 0.1 BTC unless they build reputation and at least more than 1 year operating their service.
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Man, giving advice at this time about what should be done is easy, I don't know, it's sad that our niche is "always" affected by these failed projects, I don't know, things happen for a reason... just take the right path and be cautious, here everyone is +18...
I came to this forum primarily to support the mixer issue, and the managers who in a certain way take responsibility on their shoulders.
The wise men say: " Learning to doubt is learning to think"
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Also how does Escrow XSS work? Isn't there supposed to be a +3 week delay before any refund request?
I think it's time for future mixer companies to use this forum admin's escrow service, so that this forum becomes a practical place besides accommodating campaign space. The terms of the request for release of funds can probably be discussed in a topic.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=38166
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Also how does Escrow XSS work? Isn't there supposed to be a +3 week delay before any refund request?
I think it's time for future mixer companies to use this forum admin's escrow service, so that this forum becomes a practical place besides accommodating campaign space. The terms of the request for release of funds can probably be discussed in a topic.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=38166
Yes! Terrific!
I would like to hear @admin's opinion about this.
@icopress thoughts?
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I saw that Royalmix campaign was paused, I didn't actually know why untill I stumbled on this topic. It is sad and seems that it's just a few people behind the scene scamming and creating new mixers after rug pulling with another.
Site is offline, email support didn't work, looks like my ~2btc is gone forever
Heartbreaking... So sorry
I can confirm that the letter of guarantee is valid and that the funds were received at the RoyalMix address but were not returned.
Unfortunately.
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/08/20/71Sx1.png)
It's unfortunate it happens this way. I knew that scam will be much immediate theymos pushed mixers out of BTT. Icopress, and other managers, continue pushing and very soon here will be very popular that mixers will have to escrow large amount with managers here before they can promote.
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I think it's time for future mixer companies to use this forum admin's escrow service, so that this forum becomes a practical place besides accommodating campaign space. The terms of the request for release of funds can probably be discussed in a topic.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=38166
Sounds like a good option, but it cannot be a compulsory action, campaign managers can suggest it to their clients, and if they like the idea, then it is very cool, especially if they are looking to escrow some of their funds for transparency and trust. I don't think the admin will have a problem if all their conditions of escrow is met.
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It's unfortunate it happens this way. I knew that scam will be much immediate theymos pushed mixers out of BTT. Icopress, and other managers, continue pushing and very soon here will be very popular that mixers will have to escrow large amount with managers here before they can promote.
I agree that is the only way to avoid scam mixers they need to escrow a big amount with managers and the offered service should have a limit they can only mix below the escrowed amount so that once the mixers have a problem with the stuck transaction or it becomes scam then manager can use escrow amount to pay affected clients.
Right now, it's really hard to find a mixer just like a legit chipmixer before who stayed for many years.
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Yes! Terrific!
I would like to hear @admin's opinion about this.
@icopress thoughts?
Mixers that have been operating for 3-5 years do not need escrow, including mixers that are based on Jambler. But, I am not against new mixers having a deposit, but at the RoyalMix premiere I can say they had a deposit of $35,000. The problem is that it was discovered late that their deposit was withdrawn.
It seems that of the Mixers that need escrow, only Joker is left here (for them, a deposit is definitely necessary given that they were previously associated with RoyalMix). At least they could help with the investigation, since they should have the original contacts of RoyalMix personnel.
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Mixers that have been operating for 3-5 years do not need escrow, including mixers that are based on Jambler. But, I am not against new mixers having a deposit, but at the RoyalMix premiere I can say they had a deposit of $35,000. The problem is that it was discovered late that their deposit was withdrawn.
What are the rules for deposit withdrawals?
I assume that some time needs to pass to confirm that they do not leave debts (if escrow is intended for that). Or the deposit is returned at the first request and all privileges on that forum are simply stopped.
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What are the rules for deposit withdrawals?
I assume that some time needs to pass to confirm that they do not leave debts (if escrow is intended for that). Or the deposit is returned at the first request and all privileges on that forum are simply stopped.
30 days without incident. They were allowed to withdraw the main deposit on August 8.
They requested a withdrawal on another forum a few days ago (+30 days). The user who lost the bitcoins allowed to send a letter of guarantee to the admin of another forum to suspend their withdrawal. The letter was sent (I have not received a response yet).
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It's unfortunate it happens this way. I knew that scam will be much immediate theymos pushed mixers out of BTT. Icopress, and other managers, continue pushing and very soon here will be very popular that mixers will have to escrow large amount with managers here before they can promote.
I agree that is the only way to avoid scam mixers they need to escrow a big amount with managers and the offered service should have a limit they can only mix below the escrowed amount so that once the mixers have a problem with the stuck transaction or it becomes scam then manager can use escrow amount to pay affected clients.
Right now, it's really hard to find a mixer just like a legit chipmixer before who stayed for many years.
And as far as I can remember, maybe around the 2018 time frame when we have a new mixer is place, the first thing we asked about them is to escrow funds to at least show their 'legitimacy'. However, I can't remember if this is still the norm or the practice ever since.
Most likely if there is a new mixer in the picture, perhaps we would ask them to do, but for how long will it be in the escrow?
In this case 30 days is a short amount of time as they were able to withdraw their escrows because there are no untoward incidents. But everyone was caught off-guard when they suddenly went offline and scam someone.
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I think it's time for future mixer companies to use this forum admin's escrow service, so that this forum becomes a practical place besides accommodating campaign space. The terms of the request for release of funds can probably be discussed in a topic.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=38166
Sounds like a good option, but it cannot be a compulsory action, campaign managers can suggest it to their clients, and if they like the idea, then it is very cool, especially if they are looking to escrow some of their funds for transparency and trust. I don't think the admin will have a problem if all their conditions of escrow is met.
Well if they are going to run a campaign here, then definitely a escrow should be made in this community by someone and not on other forum as we don't have control of them withdrawing, just like what they did here.
So it should be a must for campaign managers who will work for for a mixer to escrows funds here, in my opinion.
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Well if they are going to run a campaign here, then definitely a escrow should be made in this community by someone and not on other forum as we don't have control of them withdrawing, just like what they did here.
So it should be a must for campaign managers who will work for for a mixer to escrows funds here, in my opinion.
This is not the only forum where mixers are presented. For now, we are satisfied with their contribution if they start a signature campaign. The condition that they also leave a significant deposit in escrow may dissuade them from the idea of being present at all.
Certainly, they had 0.5 BTC in escrow, and a scam accusation worth 2 BTC appeared, so only in that case the funds from escrow only cover a quarter of the amount.
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I think it's time for future mixer companies to use this forum admin's escrow service, so that this forum becomes a practical place besides accommodating campaign space. The terms of the request for release of funds can probably be discussed in a topic.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=38166
Sounds like a good option, but it cannot be a compulsory action, campaign managers can suggest it to their clients, and if they like the idea, then it is very cool, especially if they are looking to escrow some of their funds for transparency and trust. I don't think the admin will have a problem if all their conditions of escrow is met.
Well if they are going to run a campaign here, then definitely a escrow should be made in this community by someone and not on other forum as we don't have control of them withdrawing, just like what they did here.
So it should be a must for campaign managers who will work for for a mixer to escrows funds here, in my opinion.
Campaign managers are usually the escrows for their own campaigns since they act as a Middle men between the client and the campaign participants, and last I checked, we have quite a number of really good and highly trustworthy campaign managers even on this forum.
The need for an escrow can only be needed when and if the client is launching a campaign that he or she is the manager, or maybe the client brought in a complete new person to manage their campaign, then they definitely well need an external escrow in the forum who would securely hold the funds to be distributed or payed to users/participants of the campaign whenever payment is due.
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Also how does Escrow XSS work? Isn't there supposed to be a +3 week delay before any refund request?
I think it's time for future mixer companies to use this forum admin's escrow service, so that this forum becomes a practical place besides accommodating campaign space. The terms of the request for release of funds can probably be discussed in a topic.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=38166 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=38166)
It seems like a good idea but has the forum reached the stage of convincing them to deposit 1 bitcoin or 0.5 bitcoin?
Also, scammers are getting smarter, I remember a few years ago a similar thing happened where a mixer deposited an amount in escrow and withdrew it.
The best thing to say is don't rush to mix your coins, if you want to mix 2 bitcoins, do it based on 0.2 bitcoins
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I think it's time for future mixer companies to use this forum admin's escrow service, so that this forum becomes a practical place besides accommodating campaign space. The terms of the request for release of funds can probably be discussed in a topic.
It sounds like a good idea but problem is that it's hard to set amount of coins that should be deposited in escrow service.
Some scam mixers could deposit 1 or 2 bitcoins but still exist scam if someone tries to mix larger amount of coins.
As long as their are in profit they can always do it.
It seems that of the Mixers that need escrow, only Joker is left here (for them, a deposit is definitely necessary given that they were previously associated with RoyalMix). At least they could help with the investigation, since they should have the original contacts of RoyalMix personnel.
I think they claimed to share the similar code with RoyalMix and they are the one who identified some suspicious changes.
It would be good to hear more from them.
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It seems like a good idea but has the forum reached the stage of convincing them to deposit 1 bitcoin or 0.5 bitcoin?
Admin can go with multisig wallet, appoint some members as escrow team (decision makers) including campaign manager. Escrow team should be listed publicly here. If company trust marketing fund to single manager, I think they are also willing to trust to keep fund in this forum in above manner.
It sounds like a good idea but problem is that it's hard to set amount of coins that should be deposited in escrow service.
We should not specify amount, mixer can decide any amount. But we can make agreement with company that information about escrow fund should also be announced clearly in a corner of their official website for few years (or after fund is no longer escrowed).
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We should not specify amount, mixer can decide any amount. But we can make agreement with company that information about escrow fund should also be announced clearly in a corner of their official website for few years (or after fund is no longer escrowed).
It is a good idea if clients can see the amount that the mixer has escrowed, however, a mixer that wants to scam will likely scam many clients, and at that point, the escrowed amount will no longer be sufficient to cover individual liabilities and each of the victims will be very lucky to get even 25% of the amount they lost.
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Admin can go with multisig wallet, appoint some members as escrow team (decision makers) including campaign manager. Escrow team should be listed publicly here. If company trust marketing fund to single manager, I think they are also willing to trust to keep fund in this forum in above manner.
What you say would be one of the best ideas I've read so far and would also be one of the safest for all parties involved. A multisig wallet where the mixer team, campaign manager and administrator were the necessary parties to be able to withdraw funds would make the mixer and the campaign much more reliable and would ensure that no one put their hand where they shouldn't when they shouldn't, as unfortunately we have seen on too many occasions. I think the most difficult thing about all this is for the team to reach an agreement, since I don't think there will be any problem reaching an agreement with the other two parties.
+1.
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It seems that of the Mixers that need escrow, only Joker is left here (for them, a deposit is definitely necessary given that they were previously associated with RoyalMix). At least they could help with the investigation, since they should have the original contacts of RoyalMix personnel.
I think they claimed to share the similar code with RoyalMix and they are the one who identified some suspicious changes.
It would be good to hear more from them.
I understood that one or more developers were involved in the development of both mixers, although their conclusion in the end indicates that they may have had different information at that moment.
They also said here that they will deal only with their service.
We initially denied the message because we were not aware and were not personally involved in the RoyalMix project. However, upon further inspection and thanks to the warning from (Klq!@Gjqoqp./), we discovered that a portion of the source code is being used in the RoyalMix project. They are solely using the interface of our JokerMix site, although they do not employ the same mixing and anonymity method as JokerMix, which can be easily verified by mixing between the two projects. As for why RoyalMix and JokerMix are using a portion of the source code, it is a matter between developers and teams, and regarding this, we remain neutral and will not destroy RoyalMix or its reputation.
Our sole focus is our project JokerMix and its future. We will only take note of your feedback regarding JokerMix, including your questions, suggestions, and bug reports, as described any other comments not related to JokerMix will not receive a response.
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I understood that one or more developers were involved in the development of both mixers, although their conclusion in the end indicates that they may have had different information at that moment.
They also said here that they will deal only with their service.
That was all said before RoyalMix exist scammed and stole coins from a customer.
They can continue to ignore this and pretend that never happened but it could hurt them also because of developer-code connection.
People who want to use their mixer could also be more suspicious about them after recent incident happened.
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It's unfortunate it happens this way. I knew that scam will be much immediate theymos pushed mixers out of BTT. Icopress, and other managers, continue pushing and very soon here will be very popular that mixers will have to escrow large amount with managers here before they can promote.
I agree that is the only way to avoid scam mixers they need to escrow a big amount with managers and the offered service should have a limit they can only mix below the escrowed amount so that once the mixers have a problem with the stuck transaction or it becomes scam then manager can use escrow amount to pay affected clients.
Right now, it's really hard to find a mixer just like a legit chipmixer before who stayed for many years.
And as far as I can remember, maybe around the 2018 time frame when we have a new mixer is place, the first thing we asked about them is to escrow funds to at least show their 'legitimacy'. However, I can't remember if this is still the norm or the practice ever since.
Most likely if there is a new mixer in the picture, perhaps we would ask them to do, but for how long will it be in the escrow?
This is actually a perfect arrangement to solve the problems of scam. How did such a beautiful arrangement get distracted on the way. This industry is about trustlessness, why have we started to trust unknown developers with our funds. Is there ever a time we can get it right again?
In this case 30 days is a short amount of time as they were able to withdraw their escrows because there are no untoward incidents. But everyone was caught off-guard when they suddenly went offline and scam someone.
Is there even supposed to be a time frame? If I know that the duration is 30 days, I could possibly endure the 30 days and then pull the rug.
They requested a withdrawal on another forum a few days ago (+30 days). The user who lost the bitcoins allowed to send a letter of guarantee to the admin of another forum to suspend their withdrawal. The letter was sent (I have not received a response yet).
Very nice move. I wish the admin of that platform is yet to process the transaction. I hate it when people are seriously devicing means to rake others.
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This is actually a perfect arrangement to solve the problems of scam. How did such a beautiful arrangement get distracted on the way. This industry is about trustlessness, why have we started to trust unknown developers with our funds. Is there ever a time we can get it right again?
Mixers are not trustless services, whenever you use a mixer, you ought to know that you lose custody of your funds during the mixing process, so no matter how you look at it, you have to 'trust' the mixer to deposit your mixed funds into your receiving address. As for escrowing funds, it will help to limit scams, and could also discourage scam mixers from attempting to scam.
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This is actually a perfect arrangement to solve the problems of scam. How did such a beautiful arrangement get distracted on the way. This industry is about trustlessness, why have we started to trust unknown developers with our funds. Is there ever a time we can get it right again?
Mixers are not trustless services, whenever you use a mixer, you ought to know that you lose custody of your funds during the mixing process, so no matter how you look at it, you have to 'trust' the mixer to deposit your mixed funds into your receiving address. As for escrowing funds, it will help to limit scams, and could also discourage scam mixers from attempting to scam.
I said the industry is about trustlessness and not mixers. When I say the industry, I mean the cryptocurrency industry and when we talk about cryptocurrency, our first contact idea should be bitcoin. Bitcoin network is a trustless one, even if it has metamorphosed over the years.
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It's unfortunate it happens this way. I knew that scam will be much immediate theymos pushed mixers out of BTT. Icopress, and other managers, continue pushing and very soon here will be very popular that mixers will have to escrow large amount with managers here before they can promote.
I agree that is the only way to avoid scam mixers they need to escrow a big amount with managers and the offered service should have a limit they can only mix below the escrowed amount so that once the mixers have a problem with the stuck transaction or it becomes scam then manager can use escrow amount to pay affected clients.
Right now, it's really hard to find a mixer just like a legit chipmixer before who stayed for many years.
And as far as I can remember, maybe around the 2018 time frame when we have a new mixer is place, the first thing we asked about them is to escrow funds to at least show their 'legitimacy'. However, I can't remember if this is still the norm or the practice ever since.
Most likely if there is a new mixer in the picture, perhaps we would ask them to do, but for how long will it be in the escrow?
This is actually a perfect arrangement to solve the problems of scam. How did such a beautiful arrangement get distracted on the way. This industry is about trustlessness, why have we started to trust unknown developers with our funds. Is there ever a time we can get it right again?
In this case 30 days is a short amount of time as they were able to withdraw their escrows because there are no untoward incidents. But everyone was caught off-guard when they suddenly went offline and scam someone.
Is there even supposed to be a time frame? If I know that the duration is 30 days, I could possibly endure the 30 days and then pull the rug.
They requested a withdrawal on another forum a few days ago (+30 days). The user who lost the bitcoins allowed to send a letter of guarantee to the admin of another forum to suspend their withdrawal. The letter was sent (I have not received a response yet).
Very nice move. I wish the admin of that platform is yet to process the transaction. I hate it when people are seriously devicing means to rake others.
The time frame is being used by escrows, or that information is usually included in such cases, and that is the standard duration, 30-60 days. But I do agree that here, there could be no timeframes, but I guess if they really want to rug pull then they really know the duration and that they can fulfill that time frame and get gain the trust until someone falls and use their services with a big amount of Bitcoin for this scammers to consider their rug pull.
But if ever this community will be escrow, things have to be change like the time frame and probably the amount of Bitcoin that should be deposited as well.
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Mixers are not trustless services, whenever you use a mixer, you ought to know that you lose custody of your funds during the mixing process, so no matter how you look at it, you have to 'trust' the mixer to deposit your mixed funds into your receiving address.
Unless they become more decentralized and work similar like coinjoin, I think this should be they way forward for most mixers right now.
Making something more decentralized is not easy task but it would increase trust with customers, liquidity would also increase, and scams would decrease.
Maybe this would also make harder for anyone to seize and shut down their business.
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I said the industry is about trustlessness and not mixers. When I say the industry, I mean the cryptocurrency industry and when we talk about cryptocurrency, our first contact idea should be bitcoin. Bitcoin network is a trustless one, even if it has metamorphosed over the years.
I understood perfectly what you were saying, and my post was specifically to this line of your post: 'why have we started to trust unknown developers with our funds', now if you look at that line and what i said, my post should be clear to you. If you want to use a trustless privacy solution, then you have to use coinjoin and not mixers, as long as mixers are concerned, it has never been trustless, and take note that escrowing funds does not change that.
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I said the industry is about trustlessness and not mixers. When I say the industry, I mean the cryptocurrency industry and when we talk about cryptocurrency, our first contact idea should be bitcoin. Bitcoin network is a trustless one, even if it has metamorphosed over the years.
I understood perfectly what you were saying, and my post was specifically to this line of your post: 'why have we started to trust unknown developers with our funds', now if you look at that line and what i said, my post should be clear to you. If you want to use a trustless privacy solution, then you have to use coinjoin and not mixers, as long as mixers are concerned, it has never been trustless, and take note that escrowing funds does not change that.
Ok, I understand the line you addressed and not the whole idea. Ofcourse mixers are not trustless, the idea of a bitcoin mixer is sacrificing trust to get privacy.
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People who want to use their mixer could also be more suspicious about them after recent incident happened.
Yes, that's a valid point but other than code the both mixers have no correlations and that's why we can't say that both of those are owned by same team. However, your point is genuine as now people who used RoyalMix (The Scam Exist Mixer) may also try to avoid JokerMix. But, if JokerMix somehow proves that they aren't correlated to RoyalMix then that could be a useful thing for them.
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People who want to use their mixer could also be more suspicious about them after recent incident happened.
Yes, that's a valid point but other than code the both mixers have no correlations and that's why we can't say that both of those are owned by same team. However, your point is genuine as now people who used RoyalMix (The Scam Exist Mixer) may also try to avoid JokerMix. But, if JokerMix somehow proves that they aren't correlated to RoyalMix then that could be a useful thing for them.
That's actually simple to prove. Both used different PGP keys for their letters of guarantee, so if one of them accidentally signs a message with the other then it would prove a common ownership. Until then though, we can't assume anything.
I imagine it would be a PITA to copy the PHP files though. Even I wasn't able to do that during my tests.
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But, if JokerMix somehow proves that they aren't correlated to RoyalMix then that could be a useful thing for them.
I wash trying to get as much information from them as I could, and they are claiming they are not directly connected with this mixer, but they won't provide any proof for that.
I don't want to insist further and everyone should decide if they want to take risks with them or not.
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But, if JokerMix somehow proves that they aren't correlated to RoyalMix then that could be a useful thing for them.
I wash trying to get as much information from them as I could, and they are claiming they are not directly connected with this mixer, but they won't provide any proof for that.
I don't want to insist further and everyone should decide if they want to take risks with them or not.
And it could really complicate things for mixers right now, I don't know when was the last time we had this kind of incident that a mixer rug pull and exit scam.
But definitely this is different as we can somewhat connect code with other developers. So as we can see, it might take a hit on the whole niche specially names are being drop.
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And it could really complicate things for mixers right now, I don't know when was the last time we had this kind of incident that a mixer rug pull and exit scam.
Yeah, it is going to complicate things for new mixers, however, one had to always be careful when using a new mixer, breaking the amount you want to mix into different bits is one way to use new mixers, it is not recommended to send all of your money in at once, especially if it is a large amount of money. I am sure we would see new mixers coming into the forum now and in the future and hopefully most of them will be legitimate.
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I wash trying to get as much information from them as I could, and they are claiming they are not directly connected with this mixer, but they won't provide any proof for that.
I don't want to insist further and everyone should decide if they want to take risks with them or not.
They posted that the connection was through a fired rogue employee but then they deleted that forum post out of fear of law enforcement using other parts of it to compromise their opsec.
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They posted that the connection was through a fired rogue employee but then they deleted that forum post out of fear of law enforcement using other parts of it to compromise their opsec.
Don't forget that the "rogue employee" was also involved in the development of Frogmixer, which also ended in infamy. It seems like it's mixer farming.
I agree with dkbit98 that we should be careful, even if it will take more time for the Joker to reach the desired reputation.
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Don't forget that the "rogue employee" was also involved in the development of Frogmixer, which also ended in infamy. It seems like it's mixer farming.
I agree with dkbit98 that we should be careful, even if it will take more time for the Joker to reach the desired reputation.
Yes, that gives us enough cue to stay away from that mixer at this time until they might prove that they've no links with RoyalMix. I also agree with dkbit98's suggestion and also believe that others should try to follow his advice for their own safety.
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They posted that the connection was through a fired rogue employee but then they deleted that forum post out of fear of law enforcement using other parts of it to compromise their opsec.
Don't forget that the "rogue employee" was also involved in the development of Frogmixer, which also ended in infamy. It seems like it's mixer farming.
I agree with dkbit98 that we should be careful, even if it will take more time for the Joker to reach the desired reputation.
Or it's cluster f**k right now, I don't know why we have gotten so far with this "rogue employee' or who's who in the world of mixer. But it seems their world is getting smaller. And hopefully, this is the last case that this person or group of individuals will be working on a mixer project.
So the best weapon for us is to just be careful, chooses mixer wisely, that has been in this business for so long.
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Yes, that gives us enough cue to stay away from that mixer at this time until they might prove that they've no links with RoyalMix. I also agree with dkbit98's suggestion and also believe that others should try to follow his advice for their own safety.
Someone just posted in forum about finding another bug flaw with jokermix, so whoever developed and worked on royalmix and jokermix is an amateur at best.
I can only imagine what happens with customers data and information collected, like IP addresses, connection between BTC addresses, etc.
People should use mixers only with Tor if possible.