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Crypto Discussion Forum => Cryptocurrency discussions => Topic started by: bayu7adi on July 15, 2024, 04:02:36 AM
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In cryptocurrency, we often hear the term whales which refers to an individual or group who has very large assets and is thought to have a big influence on crypto.
Meanwhile, it is also related to market manipulation, which also deviates slightly from the laws of nature, where one individual or group intends to change the direction of market movements using their own means...
Between whales and market manipulation activities, they are usually interconnected, and that is a normal thing in the world of investment...
so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
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both not one or the other.
whales can only twist it to a degree.
and sometimes demand overcomes whales moves
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There is no doubt that whales manipulate the market, but in the end it is a matter of supply and demand. Therefore, yes, whales manipulate, but according to the law of the market, whale manipulation is through supply and demand.
For example, if whales want to manipulate, they buy large quantities, and this is called increasing demand, which leads to an increase in the price. When the price increases, the whales sell the large quantities they bought, which leads to an increase in supply and a decrease in the price again. In summary, whales manipulate by increasing supply or demand.
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What whales do is impacting on supply and demand. Given the size of the Bitcoin market, the impact is within a narrow time frame and requires billions. Therefore, the impact of whales on the market is less and their influence decreases over time. It is completely different from relatively small cryptocurrencies, where a trader with a million dollars can influence the market
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There is one important area of the market that may be difficult for Whales to manipulate at times. There are major demand Zone that some times pushes the market price to these areas. I think some of these big Whale may be responsible when the market is moving to these demand Zones, but there could be other market makers who want to buy Btc at low price when there are news of market dump like the MTGOX exchange pay out sales, plus the German government Btc sells off.
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If you know how to read buy and sell candles, you can put it in 15 minutes time and be going through some altcoins. Do this for like a month. You will see how some whales are manipulating coins. There are many of them that I am seeing. But the one I can easily remember was Troll (TRB) which was pumped from around $200 to almost $630 within 2 days and got dumped to around $200 within just 30 minutes. It happened on 31st of December 2023.
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Yes, although it's more accurate that i believe whale and manipulation attempt exist. Existence of so many pump and dump group prove that, although usually owner of such group is the only one who make profit.
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Like the news flies, Crypto enthusiasts like Trumps Elon said to be crypto whales not really that proven of their crypto assets but having influence over the crypto markets.
Previous times, there was a speculation that in publicity where Trump is criticized, the values of cryptocurrencies drops but when he's being hailed, the value of the crypto markets increases.
So likely to say there are personalities over holding the market derivations at some extend.
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Yes, although it's more accurate that i believe whale and manipulation attempt exist. Existence of so many pump and dump group prove that, although usually owner of such group is the only one who make profit.
Yeah it actually existed and is attacking the market in a coordinated way and they are more common in pre-market shitcoins or even in known memecoins. Whales and Devs are the reasons why there is this what we called rug pulls. Whales uses their buying power to manipulate the market and that will benefit them the way they wanted it to be.
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The crypto market is a dynamic and complex market which is influenced by a lot of things, while it's true that supply and demand are the major drivers of the market movement, it's true that there are several other factors that drives the markets too, the whales do indeed have the ability to manipulate and divert market directions since they hold a significant amount of the assets, they automatically possess an advantage over the market because then can use the power of supply and demand to their own personal advantage.
A whale can possess the purchasing power of thousands of investors which means, if they decide to remove all or part of their money from the market, it'll definitely have quite a significant impact on the market and automatically change the market's current movement.
We also have other factors that can equally influence the market, like some real life world events/occurrences, if you noticed very well, you discover that the assassination attempt on Donald Trump has also influenced the Bitcoin market by at increasing Bitcoin's performance by at least 2%.
The COVID-19 pandemic apocalypse is also another good example of how events and world occurrence ls can influence the market.
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Manipulation is as old as life itself. Of course I believe that there are whales and groups of whales manipulating the market according to their interests, and I also believe that the market moves by supply and demand, but in a much smaller size. The clearest example is how politicians influence (manipulate) the population of any country when elections approach, or how companies manipulate their products, something that we have been able to see especially in technological devices. Whenever we talk about “market” we talk about manipulation.
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its what they said so and i think there really is that manipulated us to sell our coins. the news German government selling their coins although its true that they are selling, it would have been kept private but they intend to make the retail investors panic to make them sell their coins too. and then there's Mtgox along with that news, i guess the coordination is there.
they didn't even hide it. unlike before the regulation where whales are just in the forum spreading fud and along the articles in crypto.
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To me this not about if it happens or not, but it is about if its successful or not. I am sure that there are whales out there everyday trying to do the best they can do, but that doesn't mean that we are going to end up with a good result all that easily. We should realize that things aren't going to be easy, we are going to see that its going to take a while for even a whale to manipulate the market. This means that, yeah they are trying all the time, there is no doubt about that part, but are they always hitting the nail on the head? I do not think so, I think some of the time they succeed and sometimes they fail.
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its what they said so and i think there really is that manipulated us to sell our coins. the news German government selling their coins although its true that they are selling, it would have been kept private but they intend to make the retail investors panic to make them sell their coins too. and then there's Mtgox along with that news, i guess the coordination is there.
they didn't even hide it. unlike before the regulation where whales are just in the forum spreading fud and along the articles in crypto.
Sometimes there can actually be some sort of a clash of interest amongst the whales, some whales may want the market to proceed In an upward trend, according to their personal interests, while some other whales might be interested in quite the opposite so the both parties employ their manipulation strategies and whoever's technique is more effective tends to win and end up driving the market according to their own personal interest, and sometimes they can even end up leaving the market in a bearish trend, not going up and not going down. It's quite funny how they manage to twist the market to suit their personal interests, this shows just how much influence the whales have on the crypto market
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What is supply and demand, because even the whales can still influence the supply and demand of bitcoin or any other asset's on the exchange market, because as long as they have a large amount of the assets that means they have higher influence on the direction that the market will go, because their can decide to withold the supply to increase scarcity.
This have alot to do with the outcome of the market and what the outcome will be, because when you are a whale you hold 80% power to manipulate the market to favour themselves.
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If that is so, that's the same in the past that we've been manipulated by the whales and by their way of doing it was through the FUD. They spread out ugly and emotional news to the market so that everyone will relay on their message and will start dumping their Bitcoins for them to catch it while they're cheap. I believe that they have an impact to the market and still reliant to the supply and demand but not entirely does have control on it.
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There must be whales intervening to manipulate the crypto market today.
They have set it up in such a way, creating a panic with the aim of making retail traders panic and sell their holdings so that whales will get a cheaper price.
As in the sales made by Germany in the past few days, with the sale of thousands of bitcoins making the market drop drastically.
But of course other whales will buy at a cheaper price.
Even some FUD news is also spread to make the crypto market unstable.
I as a small trader need to see how whales move and don't fight them.
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Certainly yes, waiting for a small sign of a price drop, which leads smaller pockets to the risk of selling everything, that's where they come in to convince them to sell so that later they buy it quickly and sell it at a price that will rise.
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At some point, I believe. Some pairs in the crypto market have relatively small trading volumes and limited liquidity, big actions from whales can have a significant impact. I recognize some of the tricks they usually use in their actions, Pump and Dump, Spoofing, Wash Trading. I think they also connect with news publishers (or press release services) to create a bigger FUD and FOMO effect.
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At some point, I believe. Some pairs in the crypto market have relatively small trading volumes and limited liquidity, big actions from whales can have a significant impact. I recognize some of the tricks they usually use in their actions, Pump and Dump, Spoofing, Wash Trading. I think they also connect with news publishers (or press release services) to create a bigger FUD and FOMO effect.
I believe so... news portals or international media have a big impact on the dissemination of information and also market movements... that is why several news portals are now very effective as tools for big investors or investment bookies to carry out market manipulations... These things are very closely related, so it's only natural that Bitcoin can be manipulated by the release of some FUD news and also strange decisions from very influential parties in the cryptocurrency world.
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
Big holders in crypto platforms are referred to as whales. This is a common idea of common people. And there is no reason to disbelieve this idea. But if we notice why the market is influenced by big holders or whales, the matter can be more clear.
Not everyone is able to make big trades in the crypto market, that's why if the big holders make any big trades, it can greatly affect the market. Simply put, we can say that big trades always drive crypto prices in the market. This is followed by some unscrupulous big traders trying to control the market. They use different strategies to change the investor's mind state and pursue their interests. Whales deliberately change the price of a particular crypto and take a profit when they get the chance.
But it must also be recognized that while whales have a large influence, they will never be able to completely control the entire market. Because it is difficult for an investor to control most Bitcoin or Ether. Moreover, even though ordinary investors have a small amount, they have a large share due to which the whales cannot take full control.
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
Personally, from my own little knowledge of how the market works, that is the mechanics, it's always all about supply and demand, regardless of whether whales are manipulating the market direction or not, you and I know that such is not sustainable, it can only past but for a while, and when they are done, supply and demand will always take over again.
And again, to get a better and clearer understanding of this, we have to also ask ourselves what the motive is behind whales manipulating the direction of a market, they do it to either increase demand and reduce supply (price goes up) or to decrease demand and increase supply (price goes down).
To simple knowledge should tell you that the market is always controlled by demand and supply, because whales manipulation is always temporary, but demand and supply is always permanent.
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because whales manipulation is always temporary, but demand and supply is always permanent.
The interest of whales in manipulating is not only to make a profit on the spot market, I mean there is a term Zero-Sum Game. You may have seen long wicks of candlesticks in futures trading several times while global market volatility is quite stable. It happens in just a few seconds, see how many orders are liquidated and imagine if whales in this case were acting as market makers.
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The market moves because of supply and demand, however whales or institutions can make a big impact to the market and somehow can manipulate it. Supply in crypto can be determined as the sellers while demand is the buyers. Now whales can be both sellers or buyers. If you look at the chart, the big candlesticks is caused by the whales while the small candlesticks is caused by small investors/traders. Sometimes you may think that the market is controlled by whales or institutions, it's because that currency is so volatile. If you look at Bitcoin in it's beginning and now, you will see the difference.
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In cryptocurrency, we often hear the term whales which refers to an individual or group who has very large assets and is thought to have a big influence on crypto.
Meanwhile, it is also related to market manipulation, which also deviates slightly from the laws of nature, where one individual or group intends to change the direction of market movements using their own means...
Between whales and market manipulation activities, they are usually interconnected, and that is a normal thing in the world of investment...
so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
I don't believe it, I believe it is influenced by supply and demand, it is also influenced by other parties as well but to not at that level. I mean an individual and group of people can't pump and dump the market. But they can have a good impact if the amount is big. The answer to your doubt lies in your statement, that when people are in FOMO and selling then Whales prefer to sell as well but they prefer to buy again but low, and doing this can make them more satoshis and conversely, The same happens when people are buying due to FOMO.
Point is, whales and manipulation are related, whales can't really shake the market, because they don't have thousands of BTC, but they prefer to move with manipulator who have big stash of BTC for example, whales would prefer to sell before MT Gox, Germany and FTX selling, and they will prefer to buy again when they think its the lowest market can go. Otherwise some whales are just making money by these tides in the market.
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I don't believe it, I believe it is influenced by supply and demand, it is also influenced by other parties as well but to not at that level. I mean an individual and group of people can't pump and dump the market. But they can have a good impact if the amount is big. The answer to your doubt lies in your statement, that when people are in FOMO and selling then Whales prefer to sell as well but they prefer to buy again but low, and doing this can make them more satoshis and conversely, The same happens when people are buying due to FOMO.
Point is, whales and manipulation are related, whales can't really shake the market, because they don't have thousands of BTC, but they prefer to move with manipulator who have big stash of BTC for example, whales would prefer to sell before MT Gox, Germany and FTX selling, and they will prefer to buy again when they think its the lowest market can go. Otherwise some whales are just making money by these tides in the market.
Ahan, this is so correct that the market condition and direction depend on the Demand and supply as it should be but there is another fact along with it that you are missing in my point of view, Demand and supply are also affected by the big moves of Big money that somehow change the market direction. We all know that many of the people are trapped by big money actions with the help of fake news spread on the social media to promote it in the form of FUD, and FOMO so this is how their actions also affect the Demand and supply.
In all that it helps the big whales to change the market condition according to their expectation. Many influencers also follow the actions of big money and these influencers spread their actions on their social plug-in/platforms so, as a result, it gets easier for the big money to trapp the market holders and traders, and in conclusion demand and supply fundamental also effect at the end of this game.
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At some point, I believe. Some pairs in the crypto market have relatively small trading volumes and limited liquidity, big actions from whales can have a significant impact. I recognize some of the tricks they usually use in their actions, Pump and Dump, Spoofing, Wash Trading. I think they also connect with news publishers (or press release services) to create a bigger FUD and FOMO effect.
I believe so... news portals or international media have a big impact on the dissemination of information and also market movements... that is why several news portals are now very effective as tools for big investors or investment bookies to carry out market manipulations... These things are very closely related, so it's only natural that Bitcoin can be manipulated by the release of some FUD news and also strange decisions from very influential parties in the cryptocurrency world.
It's true, it may have nothing to do with the market, but big news will have a big influence on the market, because many people end up being affected, whether it's things that report positive things or negative news.
So this is a kind of algorithm where news will be a factor that can influence investors in making decisions so that it has a direct impact on future price movements.
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In cryptocurrency, we often hear the term whales which refers to an individual or group who has very large assets and is thought to have a big influence on crypto.
Meanwhile, it is also related to market manipulation, which also deviates slightly from the laws of nature, where one individual or group intends to change the direction of market movements using their own means...
Between whales and market manipulation activities, they are usually interconnected, and that is a normal thing in the world of investment...
so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
It's certain the recent dump in price was influenced by the activities of the German government selling a very large amount of Bitcoin and sometimes the market has to respond to these manipulations. But as we call it manipulation, manipulations don't last for long, they might supercede or override the current trend of the market but after a while, the market will get immune and kick off the manipulations and the proc will return to its usual trend. Another way to determine if the market has been manipulated, after the market price start responding to its original price trend, its recovery rate would be rapid compared to when the market is experiencing is usually dump of pump.
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So do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
I believe that the movements made by these whales or big holders of digital assets (how I wish am one of them haha) can still be a part of the law of supply and demand thing since they are in essence affecting supply and demand, in the first place by withdrawing/maximixing the supply/demand. And since we are in an open amrket, there is nothing that can stop any whale from doing whatever he wants to do in the pursuit of his own financial interest. And there is also no way that we can limit how many assets a person can accumulate so we can have as many whales as there can be. Now, we have to accept that any movement in the market may have some degree of manipulation on it whther it can be intended or not. In purse sense of the word, I would consideration manipulation when someone or a platform is deceiving deception in affecting the market. For example, an exchange may find a way to somehow refelct a big movement in a certain asset but in reality it is not true...in this case this is what manipulation is.
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In cryptocurrency, we often hear the term whales which refers to an individual or group who has very large assets and is thought to have a big influence on crypto.
Meanwhile, it is also related to market manipulation, which also deviates slightly from the laws of nature, where one individual or group intends to change the direction of market movements using their own means...
Between whales and market manipulation activities, they are usually interconnected, and that is a normal thing in the world of investment...
so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
- Maybe there are times that when they sell a large amount of bitcoin or cryptocurrency, especially if they are a group of rich people who are holders of bitcoin or crypto, there are still chances that they can raise or lower the price of any crypto assets.
But not in all cases they can do this because there are still more poor type of holders who can hold not that much of assets as a crypto holders, and putting that together, they will still be. That's why the market is called unpredictable.
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Ahan, this is so correct that the market condition and direction depend on the Demand and supply as it should be but there is another fact along with it that you are missing in my point of view, Demand and supply are also affected by the big moves of Big money that somehow change the market direction. We all know that many of the people are trapped by big money actions with the help of fake news spread on the social media to promote it in the form of FUD, and FOMO so this is how their actions also affect the Demand and supply.
In all that it helps the big whales to change the market condition according to their expectation. Many influencers also follow the actions of big money and these influencers spread their actions on their social plug-in/platforms so, as a result, it gets easier for the big money to trapp the market holders and traders, and in conclusion demand and supply fundamental also effect at the end of this game.
I thought I my words were enough to cover this part as well but thanks for writing them separately as it cleared the idea. And yeah, market moves with the flow of money, news, and trend. Some people trade on the basis of Price Action, while some people trade on fundamental analysis. So, let's say out of 1,000,000 people 500,000 people trade on the basis of PA. And they have done all the necessary analysis like setup there resistances, supports and levels. So out of 500,000 people if 250,000 people have set almost the same resistance and support (which i know is not possible but not impossible as well), if not same then almost same would be fine to say. Then they will try to follow there plan and the remaining ones are also bullish due to news, then there is a chance (most likely) that the market will follow the trend drawn or predicted by these 250,000 people.
So the point is, these people are not played by whales, but mostly played by news and when news came out, people changes plans and influencers start to share news etc. and then whales decides to make there move. I hope you got my point.
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It is believed that price changes in the crypto market can be achieved by a surge in supply or demand. At such times you will see a sudden surge in demand in the market and at this time whales are controlling the market and buying heavily. Again suddenly sold them and then the market was found to be in decline, causing a lot of price drop. Everyone is happy to get a dumping market but some people cannot accept it. Because they buy tokens in the past at higher price that is lower than the current market.
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Here just whales are not the cause for market changes but there are also some other reasons due to which one can see that the market is changing from low to high and from high to low. It is true that whales have a large number of coins in which they have invested so if they sell their coins then there will be reduction in demand which will cause further reduction in the value of coins.
Nobody knows what is the cause for current reduction but when the market starts to be bullish then whales sell their coins and market again turn into lower value. We should invest at lower worth and wait until whales again make huge sales to make the price elevated so we can make profit in this way.
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No doubt, in every business, there are tycoon and mafias who rules the industry. They may be in groups or cartels as you may wish to call them but one thing i think you should know is that those groups are as old as the market itself. They run things for themselves at the detriment of other marketers without minding the outcome of their engagement or actions they are the men of the time as such business strives on, so it is in the crypto industry.
Whales I believe could manipulate the market and the way they do this is very simple. The fake news, FOMO, FUD, movement of large volume of tokens from wallets to another which is in large amount of money equivalent, government actions and lots more. All these are just the ones we know but in all I believe that the direction of the market can not be predicted and whatever condition the market is experiencing does not last forever as there is always a turn of event.
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Of course I believe it. Whales do whales thing. They get richer by market manipulations. Look at governments like China, Germany making news about bitcoin or crypto. Their cronies and proxies use the news to line their pockets. They sell up bitcoin before any announcements and when it dumps, they buy it up. Rinse and repeat
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
Supply and demand are of course still a factor in increasing or decreasing crypto prices. And this is a still higher factor. However, to be honest, it cannot be denied that the level of interference from whales is quite high. It's true that we don't believe that the market can't be manipulated, but that's not entirely true.
Crypto market, there are lots of whales. especially for superior coin holders, they can even play the market in various ways, either blowing FUD or bad news, suddenly there is good news again, then holding the coins so as not to exceed a certain resistance or support, holding the price at a certain point , or actually pump for certain crypto.
This can happen because they have that capacity, especially the capacity of the amount of the coins that they have. However, we know once again that there are many whales in the crypto world, and not all whales always walk together in the same way they think. And there are often wars involving the market of those whales. And we, as very small investors, certainly cannot have a big influence, unless we don't panic easily when whatever the whales do has a bad impact on the market. If we stay calm and don't panic, then at least we can reduce their influence on the market a little.
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
Whales are whales for a reason. I doubt they would make investment decisions that are against the supply and demand (rarely if any). I think it's them who understands the law best and that's why they can also trigger a reaction from the market.
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The issue is until when that conjecture will be real, but regardless of this, what are influences that on your decision financial it can have to, that is, in recent days we have had a drop below 60k and then a steep rise to +65k . It doesn't matter where the effect comes from, the historical graphs are there... so, whales!?
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Of course I believe it. Whales do whales thing. They get richer by market manipulations. Look at governments like China, Germany making news about bitcoin or crypto. Their cronies and proxies use the news to line their pockets. They sell up bitcoin before any announcements and when it dumps, they buy it up. Rinse and repeat
The bigger the volume, the harder it is for individual players to influence the market. As much as it was quite easy for a single whale to manipulate the price a decade ago or so, this is becoming progressively harder as we grow.
The German dump, which indeed looked like an attempt to drive the BTC's price down, didn't have that much of an impact on its own. It just happened at the same time as the scare of Mt Gox distribution, and even then the drop was not that big.
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Apart from individual whales, I believe big exchanges are also involved in manipulation. Well, they are whales too. But there are different kinds of whales, not only individuals. Big companies like BlackRock and others similar to them are the real whales that manipulate the market now. And some governments are involved as well.
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I do think whales might influence the prices of crypto since it is so volatile and depends on speculation and demand is created in a big manner on basis of just that I guess. I do believe someday we will use crypto for transactions and that time the prices of crypto will be kind of stable since it will be largely dependent on market prices of goods and services. But people holding big amount of crypto or stocks, they can influence the price in a way since their purchase and losses might ignite FOMO in people. :)
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
Whales are trying of course but they can only move a little , and it is the Supply and Demand is still the basis of the market movement.
This is why important to never go with the flow , I mean never act together with Weak hands, they are the one who are the first affected when whales tries to move the market
and so others also respond such , but if we will keep the holding? whales can never be manipulating because there are so much funds outside the hands of whales .
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In my opinion, market movements are controlled 50% by interference from other parties and 50% by coin supply, the two are interrelated. if market movements are controlled by the intervention of other parties then it will be as if he is controlling the market price and this will have a lot of impact on other traders... but I don't believe what all this says if whales control market movements, because I just heard it if only someone could control this global market movement.
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In my opinion, market movements are controlled 50% by interference from other parties and 50% by coin supply, the two are interrelated. if market movements are controlled by the intervention of other parties then it will be as if he is controlling the market price and this will have a lot of impact on other traders... but I don't believe what all this says if whales control market movements, because I just heard it if only someone could control this global market movement.
It could be, but you also have to factor how big the market is, and then how big this so called whales that they were able to control the market? Market cap is $2 trillion already. So if there is a big whales then he could be using billions just to shake the market and totally manipulate it. Just like in the last 24 hours, Bitcoin is down 1-2% already, so that is already big but I don't know if it is really manipulated or it's just hat Bitcoin is really traded big in all parts of the globe now that sometimes, we really don't know if whales are involved or it's just the average joe and retail traders and investors are the one moving the market.
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In my opinion, market movements are controlled 50% by interference from other parties and 50% by coin supply, the two are interrelated. if market movements are controlled by the intervention of other parties then it will be as if he is controlling the market price and this will have a lot of impact on other traders... but I don't believe what all this says if whales control market movements, because I just heard it if only someone could control this global market movement.
It could be, but you also have to factor how big the market is, and then how big this so called whales that they were able to control the market? Market cap is $2 trillion already. So if there is a big whales then he could be using billions just to shake the market and totally manipulate it. Just like in the last 24 hours, Bitcoin is down 1-2% already, so that is already big but I don't know if it is really manipulated or it's just hat Bitcoin is really traded big in all parts of the globe now that sometimes, we really don't know if whales are involved or it's just the average joe and retail traders and investors are the one moving the market.
In my opinion, those who manipulate the market are a group of people who have large capital, people call them whales. They will always manipulate the market and some also make news reports before playing market prices. This has been happening for a long time in the crypto world, and as people who have been investing in crypto for a long time we definitely understand it.
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
The fact that you do not believe in something will not make it less true.
The market is affected by everything, and whether you believe in whales or not, their manipulation based on influence on the market happens right in front of your eyes.
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The market is affected by everything, and whether you believe in whales or not, their manipulation based on influence on the market happens right in front of your eyes.
Yep. There are many factors that can bring impacts to crypto market.
Whales factor is real, we can deny this fact. When they move their huge number of Bitcoins from non-custodial wallets to CEX wallets, it should bring instant impacts to the market. Commonly, the price will decrease immediately because everyone feels afraid of the potential of big dumps. People are aware that huge numbers of Bitcoin will drop the price instantly if the whales have the intention to sell all of them to the market. It is the same as the issue of German government that wants to sell all their Bitcoin few days ago. We can see that, the price dropped quite significantly at that time.
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
The fact that you do not believe in something will not make it less true.
The market is affected by everything, and whether you believe in whales or not, their manipulation based on influence on the market happens right in front of your eyes.
That's right, the fact is that in the market cryptocurrency prices have price movements depending on the news circulating. If there is good news, the whales will take advantage of this opportunity to increase the price of coins on the exchange. Likewise, when there is bad news they will try to bring down the coin price on the exchange, causing many traders to panic. In this way it can be said that Cryptocurrency prices are now unhealthy because they are very easily controlled by whales who have a lot of money.
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Market now have some good projects and the influencers manipulation isn't working like before because the adopters become smart and they now follow the trail of the transactions. But whales who are anonymous are still squeezing juice from crypto market . The influencers list if we make Eloon will be at the top but he isn't active any more in crypto space . But still his one tweet can stire up the crypto market .
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Yes, whales have a great influence on the changing state of prices in cryptocurrencies. And even they are the only ones who move the limits of value when it should be bought at a higher or lower price, to increase or decrease after 24 hours of analysis. I believe that sudden changes in values can happen through manipulation.
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I mean, ofcourse are they manipulating it within certain groups. Its easy allthough trackable.
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Yes, whales have a great influence on the changing state of prices in cryptocurrencies. And even they are the only ones who move the limits of value when it should be bought at a higher or lower price, to increase or decrease after 24 hours of analysis. I believe that sudden changes in values can happen through manipulation.
Whales must have some role in the changes of market value but some people do not agree with this fact. Most of the time you will have experience when the market starts to grow and investors become happy that they will see new ATH now the whales go and start to take profit and the market goes against the hopes of investors.
In many situations where there is smooth movement towards elevation whales take part and alter the situations so that situations are good for them but other investors are not always profitable. Whales manipulate the market because the amount of trade and investment are higher than common investors so they possess the power to cause manipulation.
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Yes, whales have a great influence on the changing state of prices in cryptocurrencies. And even they are the only ones who move the limits of value when it should be bought at a higher or lower price, to increase or decrease after 24 hours of analysis. I believe that sudden changes in values can happen through manipulation.
Whales exist not only on the crypto group, they exist in other financial markets. I think anyone can form or become a whale as long as they control more of large percentage of a particular coins and usdt. You can control Bitcoin today if you have more than 20% worth of the market cap of Bitcoin and it's small thing to do when group of money makers emerge to form one.
They are also always ahead of everyone in the crypto space, in terms of news and update about a particular coin, they do have it at hand before anyone, this is why it's alwsys easy for them to move the market in their own favor.
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I believe there are whales but whales can't really manipulate the market 100% but they do have influence on the market so i would say that whales have influence on the market rather than manipulating the market.
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Whales can manipulate the market if they influence the supply and demand. An example of a whale trying to manipulate the market is to buy more bitcoin if the demand is low or increasing the supply if it's low. I would also say that whales do have an impact on the market but I think it is only for a short time. The reason I think is because of other whales that doesn't want it to happen.
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Yes, whales have a great influence on the changing state of prices in cryptocurrencies. And even they are the only ones who move the limits of value when it should be bought at a higher or lower price, to increase or decrease after 24 hours of analysis. I believe that sudden changes in values can happen through manipulation.
Whales exist not only on the crypto group, they exist in other financial markets. I think anyone can form or become a whale as long as they control more of large percentage of a particular coins and usdt. You can control Bitcoin today if you have more than 20% worth of the market cap of Bitcoin and it's small thing to do when group of money makers emerge to form one.
They are also always ahead of everyone in the crypto space, in terms of news and update about a particular coin, they do have it at hand before anyone, this is why it's alwsys easy for them to move the market in their own favor.
Yes, whales are mostly neither be those billionaires,institution and other similar level on which they could really be that potentially be able to manipulate the market. Even before this crypto space existed on which manipulation is already that evident on which same as you said that even into those traditional makets like in Forex or Stocks on which these things could happen
but of course they would really be doing it on least obvious manner because there would really be that consequences on the time or moment that they would really be doing it
obviously. There would really be always those people who are sitting on the top on which they do have the capabiltiy on manipulating markets.
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Whales can't just manipulate a coin with a huge trading volume like Bitcoin they can maybe just manipulate it a bit but it's just a fluctuation.
As you can see on the chart those large spikes are caused by manipulation but whales don't have control over much of the market what they can do is only a bit of spikes to get other traders liquidated.
Unless, if we talking about other coins they can control some tokens/coins with low volume and use marketing or social media and news to promote these coins/tokens and let others know that these coins/tokens just suddenly reach new ATH and later sell their holdings. This is pretty common and the best strategy for whales.
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I believe this phenomenon is not unique to crypto; it also occurs in forex and other trading industries. In fact, it's a well-known reality that whales have significant control over the market. This is not a new development, but rather a longstanding dynamic that has been observed across various trading sectors.
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I believe this phenomenon is not unique to crypto; it also occurs in forex and other trading industries. In fact, it's a well-known reality that whales have significant control over the market. This is not a new development, but rather a longstanding dynamic that has been observed across various trading sectors.
I do agree it's not unique in crypto market, however, here we really don't know that names of big whales except for those who are a public figure. And we only have addresses here, we might see it moving big money, but we don't have the names and we really don't know if they are whales, or a gambling platform, or a exchange, or a group of individuals.
And that's why we have long standing believed that whales are here and manipulating but we don't have the numbers on how they can change or how big their influence on the dynamics of the market.
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- Maybe that depends on a cryptocurrency held by a whale investors, because if it's like Bitcoin, Eth, and other top altcoins, they probably won't be able to drop the price of those in the market.
Believe me, if a crypto is pure hype and new, it can really manipulate the other crypto and it often happens with meme coins where the manipulators do the exiting and the result is rugpull.
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- Maybe that depends on a cryptocurrency held by a whale investors, because if it's like Bitcoin, Eth, and other top altcoins, they probably won't be able to drop the price of those in the market.
Believe me, if a crypto is pure hype and new, it can really manipulate the other crypto and it often happens with meme coins where the manipulators do the exiting and the result is rugpull.
just like the Smesh team who tried to manipulate its token to pumping and dumping, they were caught by someone however that's why they haven't gained something out o it and then it was Khamzat who got tangled by their scam attempt.
a team manipulating their own market is probably common since its like promoting their token to the people. they need the token to be noticed by the traders especially when the price overnight pumps high.
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
On a whole, whales are responsible for market manipulation. We have seen how a huge whale like Elon Musk plays a big role in making Doge catapult it on the top Just when Doge was heading from oblivion, whales makes the coins or tokens trend in the market.
Investors are following whales because their moves are what make them profit, so whale manipulation has always been a part of the performance of coins and tokens in the market.
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Re: Whales and Manipulation....do you believe it?
In 2017 when I started learning cryptocurrency, I've seen lots of market manipulations especially with the coins that has low market cap. I've seen Bitcoin being manipulated too. Well, that was the time where the total market cap of Bitcoin and altcoins are pretty low because it wasn't as popular as it is right now.
Now in 2024, market manipulations still exists and whales do manipulate still, but they're only focusing on coins that has low market cap. They don't want to manipulate the price of Bitcoin because they can't do it, and if they will, they will need a huge amount of money because of how huge the market cap of Bitcoin is right now. As the years pass by, these whales will have lower chance of manipulating the price of Bitcoin hence, they'll just focus on low market cap altcoins. I still believe in manipulations, and in whales, but it wasn't as many as it is years ago.
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On a whole, whales are responsible for market manipulation. We have seen how a huge whale like Elon Musk plays a big role in making Doge catapult it on the top Just when Doge was heading from oblivion, whales makes the coins or tokens trend in the market.
Investors are following whales because their moves are what make them profit, so whale manipulation has always been a part of the performance of coins and tokens in the market.
Believe or not, Whales have quite a big influence in manipulating the market and it is very easy to determine the direction of increase or decrease in prices.
Did you remember how Doge coins increasing drastically from most cheapest price as shit coins success break out almost $1 after promoting by Elon Musk.
Every time his tweet easily make many people get influence to buy because Doge coins pump and few hours later get dump, whales can make manipulation easily but always remember with bad potential later if you get interested buy some coins after promoting by whales.
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On a whole, whales are responsible for market manipulation. We have seen how a huge whale like Elon Musk plays a big role in making Doge catapult it on the top Just when Doge was heading from oblivion, whales makes the coins or tokens trend in the market.
Investors are following whales because their moves are what make them profit, so whale manipulation has always been a part of the performance of coins and tokens in the market.
But what is difficult is following the direction of the story that the whales want to make... we ourselves can make decisions according to feeling and analysis, but the movements of whales are always unpredictable... even many people's assumptions that after the Bitcoin halving in 2024, it should be color it with a green candlestick, but it turns out that after hitting $71k a few weeks ago, the price dropped drastically to $56k...
Whales have their own movements, and in my opinion, the victims of their movements are retail investors or small investors who are easily manipulated by news or by pump and dump moments.
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In cryptocurrency, we often hear the term whales which refers to an individual or group who has very large assets and is thought to have a big influence on crypto.
Meanwhile, it is also related to market manipulation, which also deviates slightly from the laws of nature, where one individual or group intends to change the direction of market movements using their own means...
Between whales and market manipulation activities, they are usually interconnected, and that is a normal thing in the world of investment...
so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
Previously, I did not like conspiracy theories about whales and large financial institutions, but after researching on-chain data and the accurate financial markets, I believe that all markets are created and manipulated by whales. Sometimes small retail investors can also create trends and cause the market to fluctuate differently from the whales plans, but these are just a few special cases such as meme-stocks.
With their potential in data + finance + media + team of experts, whales can completely manipulate the market in a way that is most beneficial to them by taking advantage of the cyclical nature and market sentiment. Although crypto operates on decentralized blockchains and everyone has the right to move tokens, all retail investors are in the whale manipulation, so we should find ways to understand whale behavior to swim and profit instead of trying to fight them.
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Previously, I did not like conspiracy theories about whales and large financial institutions, but after researching on-chain data and the accurate financial markets, I believe that all markets are created and manipulated by whales. Sometimes small retail investors can also create trends and cause the market to fluctuate differently from the whales plans, but these are just a few special cases such as meme-stocks.
With their potential in data + finance + media + team of experts, whales can completely manipulate the market in a way that is most beneficial to them by taking advantage of the cyclical nature and market sentiment. Although crypto operates on decentralized blockchains and everyone has the right to move tokens, all retail investors are in the whale manipulation, so we should find ways to understand whale behavior to swim and profit instead of trying to fight them.
Market manipulation is as old as the markets themselves, regardless of the type of industry or the amount of money that moves in them. Thinking that the market does not suffer manipulations, and that it is governed by simple supply and demand is wasting time. In cases like cryptocurrencies, it is not only the whales that carry out these manipulations, the media (which you have talked about) intervene in many cases to make everything seem "natural". Centralized exchanges also play a big role in market manipulations as they are always a whale business, so you have two decks to play.
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Previously, I did not like conspiracy theories about whales and large financial institutions, but after researching on-chain data and the accurate financial markets, I believe that all markets are created and manipulated by whales. Sometimes small retail investors can also create trends and cause the market to fluctuate differently from the whales plans, but these are just a few special cases such as meme-stocks.
With their potential in data + finance + media + team of experts, whales can completely manipulate the market in a way that is most beneficial to them by taking advantage of the cyclical nature and market sentiment. Although crypto operates on decentralized blockchains and everyone has the right to move tokens, all retail investors are in the whale manipulation, so we should find ways to understand whale behavior to swim and profit instead of trying to fight them.
Market manipulation is as old as the markets themselves, regardless of the type of industry or the amount of money that moves in them. Thinking that the market does not suffer manipulations, and that it is governed by simple supply and demand is wasting time. In cases like cryptocurrencies, it is not only the whales that carry out these manipulations, the media (which you have talked about) intervene in many cases to make everything seem "natural". Centralized exchanges also play a big role in market manipulations as they are always a whale business, so you have two decks to play.
Whales controls the cryptocurrency market and there is nothing anyone can do about it because they have the funds to do so. However, it depends on the kind of coins that they can control. If it is bitcoin, it
will only last for a short period of time because recently Germany sold all their bitcoin which took bitcoin price to dip and not up to few weeks the price recovered back. Altcoins are the ones that Whales manipulation can be on a long-term. There are some people that are followers of these Whales that anything they do their followers does it too, meaning they invested into cryptocurrency because of these Whales, and that is why you see that when Whales are selling, weak hands are also selling and when they are buying these set of people will also buy due to FOMO
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Believe or not, Whales have quite a big influence in manipulating the market and it is very easy to determine the direction of increase or decrease in prices.
Did you remember how Doge coins increasing drastically from most cheapest price as shit coins success break out almost $1 after promoting by Elon Musk.
Every time his tweet easily make many people get influence to buy because Doge coins pump and few hours later get dump, whales can make manipulation easily but always remember with bad potential later if you get interested buy some coins after promoting by whales.
Whales are just powerful and wealthy person, group or teams that influence the market, some do both traditional stock trading and do crypto and the reason why they are so smart in making money is because they have access to first class information and act quick before other people, they are here in crypto market and I think without them, the market wouldn't even be liquid to make money by small retailers.
However, there are good ones that manipulate market not just in their own favour but for the general profits of everyone. Once they buy a coin, they don't sell the coin. They hold it and that's why when small hands sells, the price don't shake but when whales get out of the market, the impact is always felt.
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Whales has huge capital and they are using the media and events to initiate a perfect execution of their manipulation maybe it is correct to say it takes two to tango especially nowadays when average investors are I think have had enough knowledge regarding manipulation so whales tend to improvise their strategy to cause huge return from their investments.
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Whales has huge capital and they are using the media and events to initiate a perfect execution of their manipulation maybe it is correct to say it takes two to tango especially nowadays when average investors are I think have had enough knowledge regarding manipulation so whales tend to improvise their strategy to cause huge return from their investments.
Whales always have a way to manipulate the market by spreading news, then with large funds they start playing prices in the market. And this is done by a group of whales, because it takes large funds to be able to manipulate the crypto market. They can spread good news and also negative news.
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Sometimes I wonder if knowing or believeing that the market is manipulated would change how people trade. I mean, technical analysis probably can help mitigate sudden price movement (including using stop-loss, etc). Let's say the market is in a bear market and we know some people intentionally dump to keep it that way, would we try to buy as much Bitcoin as possible or would we stay from the market for a while because of that?
I'd probably stay on the sideline and wait until I'm confident that the trend has stabilized before I enter the market again.
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Sometimes I wonder if knowing or believeing that the market is manipulated would change how people trade. I mean, technical analysis probably can help mitigate sudden price movement (including using stop-loss, etc). Let's say the market is in a bear market and we know some people intentionally dump to keep it that way, would we try to buy as much Bitcoin as possible or would we stay from the market for a while because of that?
I'd probably stay on the sideline and wait until I'm confident that the trend has stabilized before I enter the market again.
If you just wait on the sidelines waiting for stability, isn't the crypto market volatile? Why not take advantage of that instability to make a profit by trading? I learned to speculate by trading to make a profit, it's risky but we can learn by understanding the character of the market.
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Sometimes I wonder if knowing or believeing that the market is manipulated would change how people trade. I mean, technical analysis probably can help mitigate sudden price movement (including using stop-loss, etc). Let's say the market is in a bear market and we know some people intentionally dump to keep it that way, would we try to buy as much Bitcoin as possible or would we stay from the market for a while because of that?
I'd probably stay on the sideline and wait until I'm confident that the trend has stabilized before I enter the market again.
If you just wait on the sidelines waiting for stability, isn't the crypto market volatile? Why not take advantage of that instability to make a profit by trading? I learned to speculate by trading to make a profit, it's risky but we can learn by understanding the character of the market.
Although it is correct that the fluctuating crypto market can be used to earn money, waiting for a stable situation is not a lack of action but rather good planning. Volatility to some extent is positive, the main idea is that we can make money, but we also know that we can lose a lot of it quickly. Day trading can be an effective strategy for some people, although it is not suitable for all traders in the long term.
Furthermore, identifying the nature of the market is always a time-consuming and resource-consuming process, not to mention the necessity of specific experience in such work. This means that if one does not have adequate knowledge and fails to take a proper risk control on the asset he/she trades, he/she will end up trading with huge losses in the market. This is true because while it is possible to make lots of money quick the investor also stands to loose a lot, it is therefore necessary to consider more sustainable investment strategies
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Let's say the market is in a bear market and we know some people intentionally dump to keep it that way, would we try to buy as much Bitcoin as possible or would we stay from the market for a while because of that?
It depends on what the season it is. If it is in the bearish season, I personally never feel afraid to buy Bitcoin as many as possible when there is a huge dump in the market. But if it is the bullish season, moreover the price of Bitcoin has increased significantly, I will try to wait and see first. I really avoid to buy Bitcoin at high rates, it will be difficult to take profits.
I'd probably stay on the sideline and wait until I'm confident that the trend has stabilized before I enter the market again.
Of course, just buy the coins when we are confident only. I think most people will do this, it is too risky to buy the coins when we are not confident. Our confidence should be reasonable, I mean we must have a reason why we can be confident. I think it should be through analysis or research to make us be confident to buy certain coins.
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If you just wait on the sidelines waiting for stability, isn't the crypto market volatile? Why not take advantage of that instability to make a profit by trading? I learned to speculate by trading to make a profit, it's risky but we can learn by understanding the character of the market.
But strangely enough, whale movements are not easy to predict and not easy to learn... manipulation always violates the laws of nature, so it creates movements according to the will of people who have enough power to manipulate the market... However, believing in manipulation should not make us far from learning trading.. because manipulative nature usually does not happen all the time... only concerns certain moments... the rest of our trading knowledge and intuition are more useful for making decisions.
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
Actually, it is the worst truth of the cryptocurrency world that market can manipulate by the whale but the good thing is they can't hold the manipulation for long-time. But I think we can also be safe from these traps if we have the knowledge. Like whale want to make hype and fud on the market by doing some big movement and this case we have to do the opposite of them what is want if we can do this then we will not going to be in their trap. And I think that professional traders and holders have these strategies to passed out the whale manipulation I market.
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
Actually, it is the worst truth of the cryptocurrency world that market can manipulate by the whale but the good thing is they can't hold the manipulation for long-time. But I think we can also be safe from these traps if we have the knowledge. Like whale want to make hype and fud on the market by doing some big movement and this case we have to do the opposite of them what is want if we can do this then we will not going to be in their trap. And I think that professional traders and holders have these strategies to passed out the whale manipulation I market.
Yeah exactly but that is why we need to learn how to jump into that manipulation though we cannot predict it but just by analyzing the market trend we can actually see some signs that might be a hint for us when and how we dive into our entry and exit thought it takes time to learn this but it is worth the time if we will soon successfully decode their patterns or next move.
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But strangely enough, whale movements are not easy to predict and not easy to learn... manipulation always violates the laws of nature, so it creates movements according to the will of people who have enough power to manipulate the market... However, believing in manipulation should not make us far from learning trading.. because manipulative nature usually does not happen all the time... only concerns certain moments... the rest of our trading knowledge and intuition are more useful for making decisions.
You seems to understand the market way better than some people. About some weeks ago, everyone were bearish about the crypto market, alot of people were not bullish as their was selling pressure from German government and Mt.gox distribution was scaring everyone but look at Bitcoin price right now, it's fighting to enter $70k region and all this are possible because whales made it possible, without them the market wouldn't be having much changes when there is a string fundamental news about Bitcoin or altcoins.
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
Actually, it is the worst truth of the cryptocurrency world that market can manipulate by the whale but the good thing is they can't hold the manipulation for long-time. But I think we can also be safe from these traps if we have the knowledge. Like whale want to make hype and fud on the market by doing some big movement and this case we have to do the opposite of them what is want if we can do this then we will not going to be in their trap. And I think that professional traders and holders have these strategies to passed out the whale manipulation I market.
Yeah exactly but that is why we need to learn how to jump into that manipulation though we cannot predict it but just by analyzing the market trend we can actually see some signs that might be a hint for us when and how we dive into our entry and exit thought it takes time to learn this but it is worth the time if we will soon successfully decode their patterns or next move.
Although we have analyzed the market conditions, it should be noted that the movement of coin prices in the market is not always easy to predict and there is no guarantee that it will provide accurate results. We only need to learn various trading methods so that when whales try to manipulate coin prices on the exchange, we can try to make decisions about the next movement and will be profitable if we can find out the movements made by the whales.
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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?
Actually, it is the worst truth of the cryptocurrency world that market can manipulate by the whale but the good thing is they can't hold the manipulation for long-time. But I think we can also be safe from these traps if we have the knowledge. Like whale want to make hype and fud on the market by doing some big movement and this case we have to do the opposite of them what is want if we can do this then we will not going to be in their trap. And I think that professional traders and holders have these strategies to passed out the whale manipulation I market.
Yeah exactly but that is why we need to learn how to jump into that manipulation though we cannot predict it but just by analyzing the market trend we can actually see some signs that might be a hint for us when and how we dive into our entry and exit thought it takes time to learn this but it is worth the time if we will soon successfully decode their patterns or next move.
Although we have analyzed the market conditions, it should be noted that the movement of coin prices in the market is not always easy to predict and there is no guarantee that it will provide accurate results. We only need to learn various trading methods so that when whales try to manipulate coin prices on the exchange, we can try to make decisions about the next movement and will be profitable if we can find out the movements made by the whales.
Totally!! We need to try and utilize both the market moves of demand and supply and the whales' moves which try to play around with it. This way, it will be much more profitable in the long run, analyzing both.
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But strangely enough, whale movements are not easy to predict and not easy to learn... manipulation always violates the laws of nature, so it creates movements according to the will of people who have enough power to manipulate the market... However, believing in manipulation should not make us far from learning trading.. because manipulative nature usually does not happen all the time... only concerns certain moments... the rest of our trading knowledge and intuition are more useful for making decisions.
You seems to understand the market way better than some people. About some weeks ago, everyone were bearish about the crypto market, alot of people were not bullish as their was selling pressure from German government and Mt.gox distribution was scaring everyone but look at Bitcoin price right now, it's fighting to enter $70k region and all this are possible because whales made it possible, without them the market wouldn't be having much changes when there is a string fundamental news about Bitcoin or altcoins.
Sorry but I will have to totally disagree with you, bitcoin touched $70,000 yesterday but immediately retraced back to around $66,000 which is where it is still currently at at the time of posting this reply, who did you think sold or manipulated the price of bitcoin to go back to $66,000? Its the whales, the whale are not reason why bitcoin climbed to $70,000 in the first place, there are actually a lot of people, individuals, companies, institutions and even government buying bitcoins at the moment, whales are only taking advantage of this to cash out their large holdings when ever bitcoin reaches a certain price key point or level, this is why bitcoin has been struggling to reach and maintain the price of $70k and above.
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In this case,if you look at the financial condition of the market, whales are large investors who often help to move the price in the market.This term whale is used in the financial market for large investors and they are able to significantly influence the price or value in the market with a large amount of capital. In this case, due to their taking these steps, they can bring important changes in the market,and due to their large transactions,they cause changes in the direction of the market
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I do believe that there is a group of people or multiple people who decide and see things if they want to dump the market or just raise the market price and not sell anything. This is more evident in my opinion and lower market caps.
For Bitcoin, I think there are a lot of people who have a lot of Bitcoin but just don’t sell because they want to see between going to the moon.
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Yeah exactly but that is why we need to learn how to jump into that manipulation though we cannot predict it but just by analyzing the market trend we can actually see some signs that might be a hint for us when and how we dive into our entry and exit thought it takes time to learn this but it is worth the time if we will soon successfully decode their patterns or next move.
What you have said is true that it is not possible to predict how and when the big whales will do market manipulation. However, comparing the current market situation and the whale movement with the market situation of that time and the previous market situation, I think you can definitely understand what their intention is. And accordingly their intention should not be fulfilled, so the opposite step should be taken as a wise trader, then I think it will be possible to gain profit from market manipulation of whales.
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Yeah exactly but that is why we need to learn how to jump into that manipulation though we cannot predict it but just by analyzing the market trend we can actually see some signs that might be a hint for us when and how we dive into our entry and exit thought it takes time to learn this but it is worth the time if we will soon successfully decode their patterns or next move.
It came out of what was technical analysis at the time, and the game of feelings played a big role in market movements... signs of pumps and bulls, and whales' activities usually became certain parameters for traders... and this is really about the trading experience that is not written in a standard way.... yes, it is true, manipulation can still be maximized by retail investors, but at least it takes a long time to be able to understand how whales move... and how to respond to news circulating in the media... because the media is also a tool for whales to manipulate.
It seems to be an easier tool to spread information and influence people's emotions. So, everyone has their own way of analyzing the news circulating.... for me it is related to the whales' steps to take action.
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Sorry but I will have to totally disagree with you, bitcoin touched $70,000 yesterday but immediately retraced back to around $66,000 which is where it is still currently at at the time of posting this reply, who did you think sold or manipulated the price of bitcoin to go back to $66,000? Its the whales, the whale are not reason why bitcoin climbed to $70,000 in the first place, there are actually a lot of people, individuals, companies, institutions and even government buying bitcoins at the moment, whales are only taking advantage of this to cash out their large holdings when ever bitcoin reaches a certain price key point or level, this is why bitcoin has been struggling to reach and maintain the price of $70k and above.
Then what do you think about the future of bitcoin price ? Because some whales transactions are made in past few days, is that any signal for down towards market ? Or something else?
We are also seen that bitcoin break its past record to cross it's previous all time high price before the bitcoin halving this sense i think never happened in market if I'm not wrong to analyze the past history. So are there any negative market comming , what do you think?
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But strangely enough, whale movements are not easy to predict and not easy to learn... manipulation always violates the laws of nature, so it creates movements according to the will of people who have enough power to manipulate the market... However, believing in manipulation should not make us far from learning trading.. because manipulative nature usually does not happen all the time... only concerns certain moments... the rest of our trading knowledge and intuition are more useful for making decisions.
It is impossible to predict accurately the whale movements. Unless we are a part of group whales, there is no way to know their movements. Even we have the site to monitor the whale movements, it should be too late to make the decision when the whales already do their actions on the market. It is actually quite annoying but sometimes we can also get the advantage from their actions. For example when they dump the market, it is our chance to buy coins at cheap prices.
By the way, learning trading has nothing to do with whales manipulation. Even there is no whales manipulation, learning is always needed in trading. It is the only way to get proper knowledge in trading.
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By the way, learning trading has nothing to do with whales manipulation. Even there is no whales manipulation, learning is always needed in trading. It is the only way to get proper knowledge in trading.
It has been studied carefully, but it is still inaccurate... that is why people who learn cryptocurrency trading begin to realize the existence of whales that can move the market in the opposite direction to what has been learned... the science has never been studied, but the feeling of it can arise through their instincts....
Someone must have also realized, and thought when they encountered something strange, they immediately said "this must be the work of whales" ... which means, there is a seed of knowledge about the existence of whales and also the whales' strategy to move the market... yes even though it is only a seed, which means it cannot be used as a definite reference as a decision maker, but at least it exists even though the accuracy is poor.
Whales exist, and their movement patterns are what make us curious and start studying them.. especially for those of us who do not have access to their relationship chain.
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If a whale wants to "manipulate" the price that usually means they are trying to get the asset to dump by selling a lot of it, before buying it all back at the cheaper price in order to make more gains and cause a what I like to call a tsunami of price rises, leaving the whale richer than before.
It is not a new tactic at all, it is actually a very old technique used since the Rothschilds 200 years ago.
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If a whale wants to "manipulate" the price that usually means they are trying to get the asset to dump by selling a lot of it, before buying it all back at the cheaper price in order to make more gains and cause a what I like to call a tsunami of price rises, leaving the whale richer than before.
It is not a new tactic at all, it is actually a very old technique used since the Rothschilds 200 years ago.
Or they look at the market and do it backward, with ETH on ETFs, for example, they see lots of people put a whole lot of money on ETH going up on the futures, how this can be used? Simple - dip the ETH a bit, those people will get liquidated, and the big hands are able to grab their positions for themselves, for bigger profits and better prices ;)
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If you just wait on the sidelines waiting for stability, isn't the crypto market volatile? Why not take advantage of that instability to make a profit by trading? I learned to speculate by trading to make a profit, it's risky but we can learn by understanding the character of the market.
But strangely enough, whale movements are not easy to predict and not easy to learn... manipulation always violates the laws of nature, so it creates movements according to the will of people who have enough power to manipulate the market... However, believing in manipulation should not make us far from learning trading.. because manipulative nature usually does not happen all the time... only concerns certain moments... the rest of our trading knowledge and intuition are more useful for making decisions.
That's right, manipulation can sometimes make us careless and not focus on monitoring every movement and studying the movement of the market itself. Whether or not there is manipulation, we focus on our initial goal of seeking profit from the coins we have bought.
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Now a days cryptocurrency is very popular. Day by day hUge people involving on cryptocurrency. Some people coming for trading some people coming for holding. Even we know huge whales are coming here.
And it also true that whales can maniple any market. They also manipulating cryptocurrency market i strongly believe it. World famous person Elon Musk we know him. He also invested here. When he bought bitcoin huge amount then it’s price increased we saw. I think if he want to manupulat it is possible i believe.
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That's right, manipulation can sometimes make us careless and not focus on monitoring every movement and studying the movement of the market itself. Whether or not there is manipulation, we focus on our initial goal of seeking profit from the coins we have bought.
If you want to make maximum profits, then pay attention to how whales manipulate the market,
do not fight them and as much as possible monitor and follow them.
Market movements will not mean that when whales want the market to go down or up, it will happen quickly.
Focus on the profits and take advantage of every movement of the whales and manage them properly.
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That's right, manipulation can sometimes make us careless and not focus on monitoring every movement and studying the movement of the market itself. Whether or not there is manipulation, we focus on our initial goal of seeking profit from the coins we have bought.
If you want to make maximum profits, then pay attention to how whales manipulate the market,
do not fight them and as much as possible monitor and follow them.
Market movements will not mean that when whales want the market to go down or up, it will happen quickly.
Focus on the profits and take advantage of every movement of the whales and manage them properly.
When we have observed the price movements made by whales on the exchange, we still have difficulty knowing what the next movement will be like. Whales usually give price movements depending on some news circulating. With good news or bad news, whales will be used as a foothold to make coin price movements on the exchange, especially in Bitcoin.