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Title: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 09, 2024, 12:28:03 AM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Charles-Tim on August 09, 2024, 12:43:39 AM
I do not see manipulation about it. Even if you check the price of stock, gold and some others, they went up today. According to the news that I read, it suggests that United States labour market data could have been the reason. I also read that their was buying sentiment in crypto market has the price of bitcoin fall significantly which later makes people buying back. I do not see any concrete reason for the rise but this is not the first time that the crypto market behaved like this.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: EluguHcman on August 09, 2024, 12:44:17 AM
Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Do not expect different information here or expecting to hear that Bitcoin gains its appreciative momentums by the influence of the media.
Bitcoin is not a Memecoin that requires speculations as marketing strategies to gain values. Perhaps this is not the first Bitcoin surging to quickie amazing values.

Trumps and Kamala's debate is behind the corner which by unverified, news has always speculated that Trump being a big Whale of Bitcoin enthusiasts is being influential to have great effects on Bitcoin price.

To me, I will take it as your instincts has whispered you that we have got more investors in the industry or investors has made much more order or purchasing more of Bitcoin in total huge values.

This is what I can only think that made this appreciations of Bitcoin at the current time.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 09, 2024, 12:50:40 AM
I do not see manipulation about it. Even if you check the price of stock, gold and some others, they went up today. According to the news that I read, it suggests that United States labour market data could have been the reason. I also read that their was buying sentiment in crypto market has the price of bitcoin fall significantly which later makes people buying back. I do not see any concrete reason for the rise but this is not the first time that the crypto market behaved like this.

Yes you are right.. most times it takes time to quickly recover not just immediate as this and if course those who are already running lose are some what happy because they have gained back there previous prices even though it's not yet close to 70k but at least price recovery is something that energized most holders from having fear especially newbie invest who doesn't have that mindset to hold Bitcoin for long duration.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: joniboini on August 09, 2024, 01:55:01 PM
I think it depends on what you consider as manipulation though, judging from how polarizing the social media nowadays. I saw a tweet arguing that we're entering a bear market due to the lower highs and higher lows, while the other argues that we're still on track for another ATH because some whales are moving their funds here and there. Personally I don't really focus much on whether it is manipulated or not, as long as I can ride the wave and gain profits from it. I think it's better if Bitcoin is distributed to more people anyway since it will reduce the chance of a single sell order causing a massive dump on the market, though that's like chasing an elusive phantom at this point. CMIIW.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: examplens on August 09, 2024, 02:45:09 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge?
Nothing spectacular, just returned to the previous level before the last short-term dump. There is no reason to panic, almost ordinary things, and it was an excellent opportunity to increase the portfolio.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Yamane_Keto on August 09, 2024, 03:03:07 PM
Manipulation can happen in small tokens where $1 million or $10 million can cause a big change in the price, and a whale or a group of whales can spend these millions to manipulate the price. In Bitcoin, Germany sold 50,000 Bitcoins and we did not see a clear negative impact on the price, so it is difficult to believe that whales can manipulate the price of Bitcoin.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: EluguHcman on August 09, 2024, 05:11:50 PM
Manipulation can happen in small tokens where $1 million or $10 million can cause a big change in the price, and a whale or a group of whales can spend these millions to manipulate the price. In Bitcoin, Germany sold 50,000 Bitcoins and we did not see a clear negative impact on the price, so it is difficult to believe that whales can manipulate the price of Bitcoin.
Small tokens like the MemeCoins I guess. Huh? Yes of course the markets of Memecoins can always be manipulated usually when the developers pushes a new hyping strategy after flopping of the coin.

Certainly no surprises about it because that is how the coins gains their values but as for Bitcoin, it remains a marketing derivations bestowed on demands and supplies.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: 0t3p0t on August 09, 2024, 05:36:46 PM
To be honest there really is no accurate answer to this as we do not know exactly what happened to that sudden price increase. Seems there is no significant news that might be the factor though it could be manipulated by whales or it could also be just natural.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: yhiaali3 on August 09, 2024, 06:03:21 PM
In general, the market is manipulated by big whales, but that is not necessarily the reason now, because there are natural price cycles of decline and rise and the market is also affected by many political and economic data and factors, etc.

According to what I heard from some Telegram channels, during the recent period, Bitcoin ETF whales have been accumulating in an unprecedented way, as the accumulation amount has exceeded 400,000 Bitcoin. This means that there were huge purchases that led to a rapid rise in the price.

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Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on August 09, 2024, 06:36:53 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.

        -      That's really how it is in the field of crypto space, right? especially if you are a long-term holder of bitcoin or top altcoins, you will only do DCA and you will not keep up with the latest updates in this business industry.

This is also the safest thing to do so that our investment capital will only be put in danger that in the end we will not be blessed with earnings from what we bought.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Husires on August 09, 2024, 06:51:29 PM
The market lost more than a trillion dollars in less than 24 hours, which is almost equal to the capacity of the Bitcoin market. It is natural to see a decrease in the value of Bitcoin, as the year is continuous, and when you lose money in a place or in the stock market, you may sell part of the Bitcoin to compensate for your loss.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 09, 2024, 07:13:36 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge?
Nothing spectacular, just returned to the previous level before the last short-term dump. There is no reason to panic, almost ordinary things, and it was an excellent opportunity to increase the portfolio.
Well I was curious to know why and I contacted a fellow to know why, what I got is that "Russia has legalized cryptocurrency mining" maybe it could be the reason but I don't know how authentic this news could be. Please is there any russian among us here they should verify and get us updated to know if this news is actually authentic.
You know I can't just totally rely on news given by a friend maybe they may not got it from a reliable source and if the source lies meaning a wrong information has been shared and distributed.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: MrSpasybo on August 09, 2024, 07:17:36 PM
In general, the market is manipulated by big whales, but that is not necessarily the reason now, because there are natural price cycles of decline and rise and the market is also affected by many political and economic data and factors, etc.

According to what I heard from some Telegram channels, during the recent period, Bitcoin ETF whales have been accumulating in an unprecedented way, as the accumulation amount has exceeded 400,000 Bitcoin. This means that there were huge purchases that led to a rapid rise in the price.
I personally believe that the entire crypto market is manipulated and controlled by whales. Whales have enough media and financial power to manipulate the market and generate profits for themselves, but they often take advantage of market cycles and changes in market sentiment to make manipulation easier and more cost-effective.

However, I rarely pay attention to the actions of whales on BTC because BTC price chart provides enough information for me to analyze, assess, and make investment decisions. Focusing on stories related to whales doesn't really add any value to my long-term DCA strategy in this market.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: famososMuertos on August 09, 2024, 09:16:58 PM
There is nothing here, whatever the situation is, it is something between volatility parameters, in fact, we do not have to look at such old historical data, look at those from this year, in January we were in the 40k range.



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Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Gurujebs on August 09, 2024, 09:24:31 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.

(https://i.ibb.co/fFdzxBN/IMG-0482.jpg)

I thought I was the only person who was surprised by how market rose to $60k sharply and yet there was no any serious news. Even if there was a good one, it was too obvious that the move was actually a planned movement and when I did my research, I found out that Bitcoin price is about to enter Death cross.

This is not the first time we have seen Bitcoin death cross but as you can see from the image, if it happen, we will not see bull run anytime soon and the market will be dull from now perhaps only God knows when but pushing the price and above can prevent us from that danger zone. It's obvious somebody is protecting their bags.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 09, 2024, 09:33:45 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.

(https://i.ibb.co/fFdzxBN/IMG-0482.jpg)

I thought I was the only person who was surprised by how market rose to $60k sharply and yet there was no any serious news. Even if there was a good one, it was too obvious that the move was actually a planned movement and when I did my research, I found out that Bitcoin price is about to enter Death cross.

This is not the first time we have seen Bitcoin death cross but as you can see from the image, if it happen, we will not see bull run anytime soon and the market will be dull from now perhaps only God knows when but pushing the price and above can prevent us from that danger zone. It's obvious somebody is protecting their bags.
Well the news I had I don't know how legit it could be but I don't have to keep repeating it over here because after confirmation and is not authentic I have distributed wrong information, but let me keep it a bit mute but still I am still surprised even it regularly happened. Like I can say over my experience with bitcoin never witnessed this sharp rise and recovery so quickly. Those who were smart had actually made good profits from the market.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: yhiaali3 on August 10, 2024, 05:09:31 AM
However, I rarely pay attention to the actions of whales on BTC because BTC price chart provides enough information for me to analyze, assess, and make investment decisions. Focusing on stories related to whales doesn't really add any value to my long-term DCA strategy in this market.
Yes, this is the wise behavior in the market, whoever has knowledge of the market will follow a holding strategy in the long term and will not care about all this manipulation or negative news because he has a clear goal in the long term and will not sell before that.

As you mentioned exactly, the long-term DCA strategy is the best solution where every decline is a renewed opportunity to buy and accumulate more in the long term, this is the best solution instead of watching the charts and burning nerves.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: bitterguy28 on August 10, 2024, 08:11:44 AM
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
well that is what you want to do anyway it is almost guaranteed that those who hold large shares of bitcoin can easily move the market depending on the actions they will take and those who hold so little can only do so little but instead of trying to look at this negatively try your best to follow the movement and use it to your advantage instead

buy when the price is low and sell when it is high
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: taufik123 on August 10, 2024, 09:26:13 AM
well that is what you want to do anyway it is almost guaranteed that those who hold large shares of bitcoin can easily move the market depending on the actions they will take and those who hold so little can only do so little but instead of trying to look at this negatively try your best to follow the movement and use it to your advantage instead
Those who have thousands of bitcoins will affect anyone, such as when just moving bitcoins to another wallet, and it will be detected by the Whales Telegram Bot informing that there is a certain amount of bitcoins being moved.
So there will be a lot of speculation that will affect the market.

We as small traders really have to adapt to such circumstances, follow how the Whales move with their bitcoins and don't fight them, it will give profits.

buy when the price is low and sell when it is high
This is always a desirable plan, but the fact is that when it happens, buying when prices start to get high because of FOMO and selling when prices are low when FUD, panicked people will always do it.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: dkbit98 on August 10, 2024, 05:14:39 PM
Sure it is, price of everything you see is manipulated, that includes Bitcoin and all other assets.
As soon as you see Blackrock and Vanguard owning larger percentage of anything you can be sure to have huge price changes.
I think we are going to see major price drops in next few months, maybe even worldwide economic collapse.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Faisal2202 on August 10, 2024, 09:11:22 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
Unfortunately I did not have stable currency so I could add more BTC to my collection haha. But I hope other would have benefit from this opportunity. These dumps provide us with good entry points but not everyone can benefit from them.

I don't think the price of BTC is being manipulative because manipulation comes to our sight in no time via social media and news and till now I have not heard about any.

I think the dump was due to a solid reason and it just that the market started to recover maybe because in the dump as you said people would have bought more BTC and when they started buying the price started to raise again and it recovered its price tag back to $60k.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: |MINER| on August 10, 2024, 10:44:57 PM
Sure it is, price of everything you see is manipulated, that includes Bitcoin and all other assets.
As soon as you see Blackrock and Vanguard owning larger percentage of anything you can be sure to have huge price changes.
I think we are going to see major price drops in next few months, maybe even worldwide economic collapse.
I don't know what will be the reason for next economic collapse but I'm seeing these words are used by some important analysts and yesterday I have also seen that the Donald Trump said that we are walking to the depression like what happened after the first world war. Is really we are going to see some big war in near future or any other global pandemic ?

If really those are happening in the future then I think we should prepared and accumulated some stable fund in our hund and waiting for the moment for investment.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LogitechMouse on August 10, 2024, 10:55:47 PM
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Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
Well, the price movement going downwards is somewhat surprising as well if you will ask me. I mean going down from $60,000 to near $51,000 in just 2-3 days is something that I didn't expect, but a great opportunity to buy even more Bitcoins.

As for the news, I'm not hearing any good news that might caused the markets to go up again in just 2 days, but it's good that in just a couple of days, your money is up already by more than 5% or even 10%. Quite surprising to see the market recovered this fast after that downfall of price, but I guess that's the final time that we will be seeing Bitcoin near $50,000 this year, and this might be the start of the bull run already. :P
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Zed0X on August 10, 2024, 11:38:22 PM
~ or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
You're talking about the no. 1 coin in the market and not some cheap coins/tokens that can be easily manipulated. It will take huge resources to attempt a pump and dump on BTC. Just get used to the reality that it can absorb major sell off and rebounds just as fast. I think it's a testament to how many investors (institutional/retail) believe it will still reach new ATH.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SamReomo on August 10, 2024, 11:58:20 PM
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
Nope, the price of Bitcoin wasn't manipulated and investors who know the future potential of Bitcoin are tying to best to accumulate more of it in such times. If I'm not wrong then somehow a huge amount of Bitcoin was sold and that caused Bitcoin to go below $50k but as we all know that this time Bitcoin is going to reach another ATH and that's why each investor who knows that is trying to accumulate more of it when it gets dumped.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Baofeng on August 11, 2024, 06:33:57 AM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.

I haven't checked any news that push the price to $60k, but I guess it's just the mentality of the investors to buy the dip. And so when they see the price going to $52k, regardless of what the news is, this is a perfect opportunity to buy cheap bitcoin again and so they take their chances.

And now they should be happy by their decision to buy at $52k as by now prices is hovering $60k-$61k and their is the potential to more spike in this month. I don't know if the price has been manipulated or something. Market is too big for someone to really have impact on the price.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on August 11, 2024, 09:24:10 AM
Bitcoin is one of the best investment in the world right now and the best coin in the world, Bitcoin has made a lot of people rich and has also help to grow the economy of the world and that of countries.
I always say Bitcoin dip is not a time to panic but a time to accumulate more Bitcoin, the dip is just an opportunity for investors to buy more Bitcoin, some people always fear when there's a dip in Bitcoin, anyone that knows the history of Bitcoin won't be afraid of a dip.
When dip came a lot of people were afraid and that made some people to stop there accumulation and some even used because of fear to sell of there Bitcoin, and now Bitcoin has increased in price again and those that were afraid and sold out are regretting now this things happen to newbies especially, Bitcoin is a very good and safe investment one should keep accumulating and remove fear from his or her mind.

Some people believed Bitcoin won't grow more than it was before and some believe Bitcoin will keep going down in price but right now those that were having such thoughts are now shocked again because Bitcoin has grown in price again.
Anyone investing in Bitcoin should keep accumulating and stop listening to wrong mindset in other to grow.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on August 11, 2024, 11:40:35 AM
August has let us down again?

August is traditionally considered one of the weakest months for bitcoin. And this year, so far, has not become an exception. Uncertainty at the macroeconomic level, as well as the activity of market makers who want to "squeeze" crypto from retailers, only aggravate the situation.

But we should not despair! History shows that correction periods are usually followed by a new round of growth. In my opinion, in the fall-winter of this year, the cryptocurrency market can expect a new burst of activity.

P.S. What do you think?  :o

(https://i.ibb.co/Cv4ZtJm/image.png)
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 11, 2024, 08:42:03 PM
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Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
Well, the price movement going downwards is somewhat surprising as well if you will ask me. I mean going down from $60,000 to near $51,000 in just 2-3 days is something that I didn't expect, but a great opportunity to buy even more Bitcoins.

As for the news, I'm not hearing any good news that might caused the markets to go up again in just 2 days, but it's good that in just a couple of days, your money is up already by more than 5% or even 10%. Quite surprising to see the market recovered this fast after that downfall of price, but I guess that's the final time that we will be seeing Bitcoin near $50,000 this year, and this might be the start of the bull run already. :P
The market still not stable for us to say it's the final downtrend and of its possible but we can't say with assurance it's going be down or not but what we must understand is that the market is open for changes and anything is possible. Today bitcoin price has not makes any much difference compared to when we hit back 60k it this same speed was applicable by now we could had witness about 65k or 66k but yet still dangling within circle of 60 to 61k, this shows that market may not make much difference between this month of August.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Asiska02 on August 13, 2024, 09:33:12 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.

Sudden price moves like this always put a smile on the face of those using DCA if they get to enter just at the price before the pump begins. It is a very big move from $52K - $60K but to some investors that don’t have enough of bitcoin in their portfolio will not see any significant move or impact in this move, but it’s surely worth a move and a lot of profit generated by big whales. The bitcoin market is not that which can be manipulated in my opinion, this is not a pump and dump coin or anything that looks like it. It just happens, the laws of demand and supply sets in, and it has impact in the market and hence the sudden move that made it skyrocket within a short time period.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Wiwo on August 13, 2024, 10:15:23 PM
The bitcoin market is bigger than any manipulations, so instead of focusing on the temporary market sentiment, the big focus should be on the wider elements that make up for the immediate bitcoin price, and how long such element can hold bitcoin price in such a direction.

Sometimes, some people believe in news to be a major market determinants, other time, we traders and market people also push bitcoin in a particular direction from our activities in the market.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: alogan on August 13, 2024, 10:31:32 PM
The bitcoin market is bigger than any manipulations, so instead of focusing on the temporary market sentiment, the big focus should be on the wider elements that make up for the immediate bitcoin price, and how long such element can hold bitcoin price in such a direction.

Sometimes, some people believe in news to be a major market determinants, other time, we traders and market people also push bitcoin in a particular direction from our activities in the market.

Whales control bitcoin, isnt ETF yet, but the whales control it very well, and they do whatever they wanna to do, the last days Futures were always dumping to SPOT ETF buy low... there werent bad news to make bitcoin break the way it had broken, this is the range 50k-70k. One thing is sure the higger bitcoin goes the bigger mooves it will make, for both directions, leverage isnt our friend at all.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Crypto Library on August 13, 2024, 10:54:39 PM
Whales control bitcoin, isnt ETF yet, but the whales control it very well, and they do whatever they wanna to do, the last days Futures were always dumping to SPOT ETF buy low... there werent bad news to make bitcoin break the way it had broken, this is the range 50k-70k. One thing is sure the higger bitcoin goes the bigger mooves it will make, for both directions, leverage isnt our friend at all.
I won't gonna fully agree with you because it is true that whales can have some impact on market but they don't have very well types control otherwise there won't see anything on cryptocurrency market.
We have seen that multiple times that for the whales movements there have the impact on cryptocurrency market bitcoin market. But most of the times it couldn't be sustain, the impact always for a few time. Because when whales want to manipulate the market they also have to get the response from the market and not always the market of huge people give them positive signal.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: doc on August 13, 2024, 11:39:11 PM

I won't gonna fully agree with you because it is true that whales can have some impact on market but they don't have very well types control otherwise there won't see anything on cryptocurrency market.
We have seen that multiple times that for the whales movements there have the impact on cryptocurrency market bitcoin market. But most of the times it couldn't be sustain, the impact always for a few time. Because when whales want to manipulate the market they also have to get the response from the market and not always the market of huge people give them positive signal.

Whales manipulating the market has been going on for a long time in the crypto world and I think not only in the crypto market but almost all markets. They can make the price of bitcoin and altcoins drop but it is only temporary. Because the market response will not last long, if the whales and the money they use to play in the market are not large. The market will return to normal. We understand that what influences market prices is demand and supply.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on August 14, 2024, 12:15:07 AM
Bitcoin price is not being manipulated like the way some of the altcoins were, one of the things to firstly consider in this is the fact that bitcoin uses PoW and not PoS, the other is the nature of it network, you cannot compare a decentralized digital network to that which is centralized, we can also discover more about knowing deep insights from what Bitcoin network is all about and the nodes functions, all will point to the fact that bitcoin is not being manipulated.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 14, 2024, 04:33:01 PM
Bitcoin price is not being manipulated like the way some of the altcoins were, one of the things to firstly consider in this is the fact that bitcoin uses PoW and not PoS, the other is the nature of it network, you cannot compare a decentralized digital network to that which is centralized, we can also discover more about knowing deep insights from what Bitcoin network is all about and the nodes functions, all will point to the fact that bitcoin is not being manipulated.
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What happens if whale dump bitcoin in Large quantity like the Germans or Mt.Gox what can we talk about this? Is this not manipulation sir?
Well, all cryptocurrency coin can be manipulated provided that is tradable and people are buying it holding and trading it could be manipulated, manipulation doesn't really mean that price must fall drastically but at least you can't imagine what truly effects or affects the market.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on August 14, 2024, 05:21:58 PM
         -      Maybe the bitcoin price can only be controlled well if all the whale investors get together and agree on when to sell their bitcoins at the same time and when to buy them at the same time. That's why not all whale investors are of the same mind when they buy or sell.

There are others who will sell a large amount of bitcoin, while other whales see that when they see a small or large percentage drop, they will pay a large amount as well and then hold it long-term.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Crypto Library on August 14, 2024, 10:46:50 PM
Whales manipulating the market has been going on for a long time in the crypto world and I think not only in the crypto market but almost all markets. They can make the price of bitcoin and altcoins drop but it is only temporary. Because the market response will not last long, if the whales and the money they use to play in the market are not large. The market will return to normal. We understand that what influences market prices is demand and supply.
You have also pointed out a good things. Lots of peoples have the FUD in mine about the cryptocurrency that it is easily manipulated by the big whales. But they also can't ignore that whole world in all sector like Medical to the Hardware , Tech , Agree cultural in all sector the whale does manipulate to fill their own interest. But I can say those  sectors are more hostage by the whales.
Becasue in crypto currency there have the decentralized eco system where even then they want to make sustainability to their manipulation on the market but failed because of the large peoples takes.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Mate2237 on August 14, 2024, 10:56:41 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
DCA never made any gain unless the investor's plan fall into the time when the price was $52k. But the movement is f Bitcoin these days are purely.foe the short term investors. And many of us don't know how the market is like this in the recent time.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: sampoerna on August 14, 2024, 11:39:28 PM
I won't gonna fully agree with you because it is true that whales can have some impact on market but they don't have very well types control otherwise there won't see anything on cryptocurrency market.
Whales manipulating the market has been going on for a long time in the crypto world and I think not only in the crypto market but almost all markets. They can make the price of bitcoin and altcoins drop but it is only temporary. Because the market response will not last long, if the whales and the money they use to play in the market are not large. The market will return to normal. We understand that what influences market prices is demand and supply.
Indeed, Although basically, the Bitcoin market may be considered different, centralized, and none is controlling, but in essence, it really depends on how whales intervene in the movement of Bitcoin in the market.

We as traders or small investors are only a small part of the market. While whales, they really have a much larger amount of Bitcoin. and they have the power for that. We often see how they hold the price from rising again at a certain number. We often see that FUD is often blown at certain times. and we often see how pump and dump happen quickly, even though there is a lot of good fundamental news, but when they start manipulating the market to drop, yes it will drop. then they take advantage by buying at a lower price.

Maybe supply and demand are the main influences on Bitcoin market conditions. However, what if they were the ones who controlled the supply and demand to match the direction of the market movement that they wanted?
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 14, 2024, 11:54:46 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
DCA never made any gain unless the investor's plan fall into the time when the price was $52k. But the movement is f Bitcoin these days are purely.foe the short term investors. And many of us don't know how the market is like this in the recent time.
I believe those who truly knows what they are doing its very much easier for them to make profits through DCA and of course DCA'ing gives you profit when the price of bitcoin has soared about the current price to something much better.
People who are not DCA'ing could like stand a better chance to lose their investment when the market is down but believe professional investors and traders knows what they are doing to make profits.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: bayu7adi on August 15, 2024, 03:08:32 AM
Sometimes, some people believe in news to be a major market determinants, other time, we traders and market people also push bitcoin in a particular direction from our activities in the market.
News is one way to manipulate the market, while actual market activity does control the direction of the market... but it's not that big unless whales are present at the time. Bitcoin's daily trading volume is around $30 billion per day, while the unexposed rich have more than that, and if there is a merger like a whale group, it will make it easier for pumps and dumps because there are more assets available. Other mechanisms we may not know much about, but I definitely still believe in market manipulation in all aspects of trading, including Bitcoin.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Wiseman on August 15, 2024, 08:41:58 AM
I am sure that they manipulate absolutely any things that we see and know, what can we say about Bitcoin, of course they manipulate it and very strongly, it just can’t go up and down all the time, the price would always be the same, and that We see that the price goes up and goes down in equal proportions, you shouldn’t bother your head with this, you just need to know one rule, that when the price goes down, it will soon go up))
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: NotATether on August 15, 2024, 12:49:19 PM
If you believe in the Tether conspiracy theories then you'd think that they might be able to manipulate the Bitcoin price. You'd think that they would get something from raising or lowering the price but actually what happens is that there is no plan. It is just extremely volatile and it goes in whatever direction it wants.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: pakhitheboss on August 15, 2024, 01:31:52 PM
If you believe in the Tether conspiracy theories then you'd think that they might be able to manipulate the Bitcoin price. You'd think that they would get something from raising or lowering the price but actually what happens is that there is no plan. It is just extremely volatile and it goes in whatever direction it wants.

But in the past, we have seen how whales used to create panic in the market by manipulating the price of Bitcoin. I agree with your reasoning that Bitcoin is known for its volatile nature then again we have ETF inflows which might be the reason for the price going back to where it was a few days back. I think there can be multiple reasons why the price fluctuates. It is not that easy to point only on the whales or volatility, the global situation currently can be responsible for the frequent price fluctuation of Bitcoin.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: NotATether on August 15, 2024, 01:38:08 PM
But in the past, we have seen how whales used to create panic in the market by manipulating the price of Bitcoin. I agree with your reasoning that Bitcoin is known for its volatile nature then again we have ETF inflows which might be the reason for the price going back to where it was a few days back. I think there can be multiple reasons why the price fluctuates. It is not that easy to point only on the whales or volatility, the global situation currently can be responsible for the frequent price fluctuation of Bitcoin.

Yeah, I agree with you about that, the situation can be very complex but I also think that some "whales" aka. very public people like Elon Musk can do more damage to crypto or the reverse just by talking about it.

It's strange because things like this should not be happening. Nobody should be buying or selling just because somebody online says something about crypto.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: MrSpasybo on August 15, 2024, 03:51:35 PM
I am sure that they manipulate absolutely any things that we see and know, what can we say about Bitcoin, of course they manipulate it and very strongly, it just can’t go up and down all the time, the price would always be the same, and that We see that the price goes up and goes down in equal proportions, you shouldn’t bother your head with this, you just need to know one rule, that when the price goes down, it will soon go up))
Yeah, long-term investors should have this kind of mindset and belief in order to continue to exist and profit from BTC future price increases. FUD is created to make the market RED and to make weak-hands sell their crypto assets in fear. However, FUD will also end, and that's the time for diamond-hands to earn profits worthy of their perseverance.

Whales are very good at using FUD and FOMO to make the majority of investors lose psychological control and make wrong decisions. Interestingly, in each new cycle, they have different tactics and go beyond our ability to predict. What we can do is stick to a long-term investment strategy, while speculating on the whales' manipulation plans and creating conspiracy theories is just for fun to reduce stress in the market.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: pieppiep on August 15, 2024, 04:10:04 PM
But in the past, we have seen how whales used to create panic in the market by manipulating the price of Bitcoin. I agree with your reasoning that Bitcoin is known for its volatile nature then again we have ETF inflows which might be the reason for the price going back to where it was a few days back. I think there can be multiple reasons why the price fluctuates. It is not that easy to point only on the whales or volatility, the global situation currently can be responsible for the frequent price fluctuation of Bitcoin.

Yeah, I agree with you about that, the situation can be very complex but I also think that some "whales" aka. very public people like Elon Musk can do more damage to crypto or the reverse just by talking about it.

It's strange because things like this should not be happening. Nobody should be buying or selling just because somebody online says something about crypto.
Talking about whales who have a lot of money even unlimited then we must be able to see how expensive the price of bitcoin is on the exchange. So far the wealth of whales can still buy bitcoins in very large amounts. Therefore whales are often said to be able to manipulate the movement of bitcoin prices on the exchange. The price of bitcoin has a price as expensive as this is also the influence of those who dare to buy at a high price.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: taufik123 on August 15, 2024, 08:39:08 PM
Talking about whales who have a lot of money even unlimited then we must be able to see how expensive the price of bitcoin is on the exchange. So far the wealth of whales can still buy bitcoins in very large amounts. Therefore whales are often said to be able to manipulate the movement of bitcoin prices on the exchange. The price of bitcoin has a price as expensive as this is also the influence of those who dare to buy at a high price.
The influence is indeed quite significant and see how when whales start buying, such as Mr.100 and some institutions that buy thousands of Bitcoins. It increases the price of Bitcoin, but also vice versa, when they sell Bitcoin or even just move it, it will be bad news for Bitcoin.

Retail traders will be quite sensitive to bitcoin transfers and sales plans, this will lower the price but will certainly be a good opportunity to start buying when prices are low.

Never fight the Whales, just follow where they go and take advantage of every move the whale makes.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Jamal Aezaz on August 15, 2024, 09:38:20 PM
Whales manipulating the market has been going on for a long time in the crypto world and I think not only in the crypto market but almost all markets. They can make the price of bitcoin and altcoins drop but it is only temporary. Because the market response will not last long, if the whales and the money they use to play in the market are not large. The market will return to normal. We understand that what influences market prices is demand and supply.

Whales are manipulating the market because they are buying and selling and do not consist of a small amount of money so if they take advantage of the market then the market goes against our hopes but we should do the same thing as they are doing no matter we are using less or more amount but we have to think about our profit.

Every pump and dump are temporary but people think it as permanent and decide with emotions at the end of which they are blaming the market and the coins which is not a wise step. If we are selling our coins then there must be some individuals who will buy so the market will go up again after sometime if demands remain elevated.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Gurujebs on August 15, 2024, 09:45:38 PM
Whales control bitcoin, isnt ETF yet, but the whales control it very well, and they do whatever they wanna to do, the last days Futures were always dumping to SPOT ETF buy low... there werent bad news to make bitcoin break the way it had broken, this is the range 50k-70k. One thing is sure the higger bitcoin goes the bigger mooves it will make, for both directions, leverage isnt our friend at all.

I was having an argument with one of my friend that we might not see Bitcoin below $30k because that's the place whales like Blackrock bought there Bitcoin. They were buying and preparing the market for the upcoming ETF back then when BITCOIN ETF wasn't approved then and people think the price will come down, they are going to protect their investment at all cost.

Blackrock isn't the only key player of whales but I know for sure that since they provide ETF, there position on crypto can't be overlook, they contributed to how Bitcoin moves now and it's making Bitcoin to be centralized and controlled by some group of people.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Wiwo on August 15, 2024, 11:41:25 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
The thing there is that, bitcoin is kind of unpredictable and for sure there is such a possibility of the market and a cure attribute feature of bitcoin to be unpredictable, the volitility can play out at any point in time and for sure there is a big difference between bitcoin a d other assets such as gold, so making such attempt to predict the direction the bitcoin market will go,

So let us not be surprised at the direction that bitcoin price take at any point in time, you can see our current price position which is somewhat lower than what the price was when this thread was created.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 15, 2024, 11:49:42 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
The thing there is that, bitcoin is kind of unpredictable and for sure there is such a possibility of the market and a cure attribute feature of bitcoin to be unpredictable, the volitility can play out at any point in time and for sure there is a big difference between bitcoin a d other assets such as gold, so making such attempt to predict the direction the bitcoin market will go,

So let us not be surprised at the direction that bitcoin price take at any point in time, you can see our current price position which is somewhat lower than what the price was when this thread was created.
That's true thu, sincerely judging how the price is moving you would know that it's not good to focused on the price because it changes any time any moment, and have began to know note why people lose their investment as well, because they are watchful and certainly on their prediction except for the people that would want to hold for long time.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Captain Corporate on August 16, 2024, 12:05:00 AM
There isn't a reason required to make it go up or down because we already have that reason "the market". If we end up buying or selling as much as we want, then we are free to move the market as much as we want, and there isn't any SEC or whatever to check up on us, we can buy and sell however we want. Rich people do that harder, because they are checked more carefully, but when you combine millions of small retail investors, those people end up being better too so that means we are capable of moving it very fastly down or up whenever we want to, that should be the most important note from this.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: dekafee79 on August 16, 2024, 03:25:05 AM

That's true thu, sincerely judging how the price is moving you would know that it's not good to focused on the price because it changes any time any moment, and have began to know note why people lose their investment as well, because they are watchful and certainly on their prediction except for the people that would want to hold for long time.
We must always monitor the price if we decide to hold the short and medium term, but if we decide to hold the long term we don't need to focus on the price because we are just waiting for the bullish season to sell. When trading I will focus on monitoring prices in the market, but I leave the coins that I hold for the long term in my wallet and wait for the bullish season next year to sell them.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 16, 2024, 07:56:52 AM

That's true thu, sincerely judging how the price is moving you would know that it's not good to focused on the price because it changes any time any moment, and have began to know note why people lose their investment as well, because they are watchful and certainly on their prediction except for the people that would want to hold for long time.
We must always monitor the price if we decide to hold the short and medium term, but if we decide to hold the long term we don't need to focus on the price because we are just waiting for the bullish season to sell. When trading I will focus on monitoring prices in the market, but I leave the coins that I hold for the long term in my wallet and wait for the bullish season next year to sell them.
Nothing wrong monitoring price for immediate trade or short term but as investor what they should target is the time to sell of their investment and even when that time is near and people don't seem to have the profits they desired they could still extend it to more circlic period where they would experience another halving the push back the price further again. Then for altcoin or memecoin it's important to constantly checking them because when you dump them in your bags you don't need to skip otherwise it could dump on them that is why it's important to monitor altcoin.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on August 16, 2024, 09:14:07 AM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
If you use the word "manipulative", then you are not wrong, because personally, I've been thinking along the same line.

Bitcoin moved to and above $60,000 after dropping down to below $50k some days back, and yesterday, the price touched down to around $56k, and just as I am writing this post, bitcoin is a little above $58k.

I understand that there are perhaps, millions of people around the world buying and selling bitcoin, which is the reason for all the sudden and fast price changes, but still, I believe there are some whales somewhere manipulating the price to their own benefit, ordinarily, the price of bitcoin by now should be above $70k, but seems there are some forces holding it from going cross $60 - $65k.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: pakhitheboss on August 16, 2024, 09:38:49 AM
It's strange because things like this should not be happening. Nobody should be buying or selling just because somebody online says something about crypto.

Post 2021 we haven't seen the price of Bitcoin getting influenced by big news. The only news that pumped the price of Bitcoin was about Bitcoin ETFs approval process.  Big influencers and even the politicians have not been able to manipulate the price of Bitcoin. I think it is the current overall global situation that is creating a panic in the market. As of today the price again went back to $58K.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 16, 2024, 10:25:23 AM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
If you use the word "manipulative", then you are not wrong, because personally, I've been thinking along the same line.

Bitcoin moved to and above $60,000 after dropping down to below $50k some days back, and yesterday, the price touched down to around $56k, and just as I am writing this post, bitcoin is a little above $58k.

I understand that there are perhaps, millions of people around the world buying and selling bitcoin, which is the reason for all the sudden and fast price changes, but still, I believe there are some whales somewhere manipulating the price to their own benefit, ordinarily, the price of bitcoin by now should be above $70k, but seems there are some forces holding it from going cross $60 - $65k.
Yes you could be right, they are doing that for their own personal benefits because I know as people are involving themselves into trade it could be very much easier to be swinging the price in an uncontrollable manner. Where if the price are being manipulated the smaller investors would panicked and sell of their bitcoin in small dip and immediately price can be increasing back. That is why it's advisable to be doing DCA especially those who have enough funds can actually be doing that gradually without any lose or involving themselves into a set buy off.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on August 16, 2024, 01:52:27 PM
BTC.D - it is probably not too correct to compare the current dominance of BTC with the past cycle based on fundamental factors.

Since then, many projects of different levels have entered the market, including small and large capitalizations. Just looking at the chart and overlaying it somehow with the seasonality of BTC, we get the impression that there will be approximately a similar picture.

BTC.Dominance tends somewhere in the direction of 60% - 62%, on this background only BTC and some strong altcoins are growing. Then, when BTC is in about the same vertical growth, there is a sharp ALTS /BTC transfer.

And at this point, BTC may just stand still, while some altcoins can demonstrate tens of percent growth in just a couple of days, and small-capitalization projects possible ixes.

These are all echoes of 2021, then everything was about the same, and I assume such a season will be this fall, and probably will be divided into 2 parts. The first part, it's as stated above, will be in the fall, tentatively October - November.

The second season, if it will be, I suppose, is the first quarter of 2025, where it would be necessary to observe the risks, not to get into excitement and take your bets.
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Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Wiseman on August 16, 2024, 02:04:03 PM
I am sure that they manipulate absolutely any things that we see and know, what can we say about Bitcoin, of course they manipulate it and very strongly, it just can’t go up and down all the time, the price would always be the same, and that We see that the price goes up and goes down in equal proportions, you shouldn’t bother your head with this, you just need to know one rule, that when the price goes down, it will soon go up))
Yeah, long-term investors should have this kind of mindset and belief in order to continue to exist and profit from BTC future price increases. FUD is created to make the market RED and to make weak-hands sell their crypto assets in fear. However, FUD will also end, and that's the time for diamond-hands to earn profits worthy of their perseverance.

Whales are very good at using FUD and FOMO to make the majority of investors lose psychological control and make wrong decisions. Interestingly, in each new cycle, they have different tactics and go beyond our ability to predict. What we can do is stick to a long-term investment strategy, while speculating on the whales' manipulation plans and creating conspiracy theories is just for fun to reduce stress in the market.

You touched on the topic of whales and I can say about them that they think completely differently and they do completely different things (not the ones we think about) if in short, now all whales have started working as market makers and earn money by providing their liquidity to organizations that successfully know how to manipulate the market with the help of huge liquidity behind them, and if we talk about ordinary investors who simply put aside their salaries and buy bitcoin, then whales are not a hindrance to them, the main thing is not to panic and not to sell less than the planned price.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: rizqillah on August 16, 2024, 02:42:42 PM

You touched on the topic of whales and I can say about them that they think completely differently and they do completely different things (not the ones we think about) if in short, now all whales have started working as market makers and earn money by providing their liquidity to organizations that successfully know how to manipulate the market with the help of huge liquidity behind them, and if we talk about ordinary investors who simply put aside their salaries and buy bitcoin, then whales are not a hindrance to them, the main thing is not to panic and not to sell less than the planned price.
We don't need to panic if we buy when bearish and plan to hold long term by following the 4-year cycle. because we will not be affected by whales if we choose to hold long term, But if we do trading or hold medium term we must always monitor the market and of course will always see the price movements played by whales.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on August 16, 2024, 03:29:54 PM
We should not be deceived no matter what thinking about it that bitcoin price is being manipulated, this is not possible and for those that think the whales are doing so for them to be able to achieve a target, then we have to consider that this is a decentralized network and we are not having a single whale controlling the market price, everyone buying and selling are part of the constitutes of the volatile market whereby the market fall and rises at the same time.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Manna on August 16, 2024, 06:22:18 PM
Bitcoin price spikes can often be the result of the combined effects of various market factors.  While there may be certain positive news or events behind such growth, buying activity by "whales" (holders of large amounts of cryptocurrency) in the market may also be a factor.  If the price of Bitcoin rises from 52k to 60k within 48 hours, it is likely that some large institutions or investors bought Bitcoin, which could have caused such a dramatic rise in the market.  Additionally, any major news, such as new institutions or countries adopting Bitcoin, regulatory updates, or news regarding Bitcoin ETF approvals, can cause such price increases.Those following the DCA (Dollar-Cost Averaging) strategy can make good profits during these bullish periods, as this strategy is based on consistently accumulating assets by exploiting market volatility.
 To answer your question, if there is any big news related to sudden growth, it can definitely have a significant impact on the market.  However, it is necessary to analyze and collect data from various sources in order to determine the exact cause..
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Gurujebs on August 16, 2024, 07:09:32 PM
We should not be deceived no matter what thinking about it that bitcoin price is being manipulated, this is not possible and for those that think the whales are doing so for them to be able to achieve a target, then we have to consider that this is a decentralized network and we are not having a single whale controlling the market price, everyone buying and selling are part of the constitutes of the volatile market whereby the market fall and rises at the same time.

If we are been honest with ourselves, there is still some certainty of centralization of Bitcoin, exchanges and ETF hold majority of Bitcoin in circulation and this are just group of people that can do and undo, some people might say it's not possible for all exchanges to agreed to this but the fact remain that anything is possible when it comes to cryptocurrency.

Bitcoin us still been manipulated, those who have sold want it come down and doing their best to beat it to lower levels and people that are still holding are trying to be bullish, battle between the bulls and the bears but I'm sure bulls will win no matter the condition of this market.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Agbe on August 16, 2024, 07:39:06 PM
That is how the movement is this days. And I think because of US election campaign which people (whales) are buying and selling to sponsor the campaigns so that also affect the market so I don't think their is any manipulation yet. I think this week the price decreased to $55k and went back to $60k again and my thought, US election has an impact on the price of bitcoin. Only my thought.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: rizqillah on August 16, 2024, 08:31:20 PM
We should not be deceived no matter what thinking about it that bitcoin price is being manipulated, this is not possible and for those that think the whales are doing so for them to be able to achieve a target, then we have to consider that this is a decentralized network and we are not having a single whale controlling the market price, everyone buying and selling are part of the constitutes of the volatile market whereby the market fall and rises at the same time.
The whaled group will continue to manipulate the price of bitcoin according to their interests, by spreading negative news to create panic and lower prices. and I think this is not one whale but a group of whales, because the capital strength of one whale will not be able to manipulate the bitcoin market. that's my opinion.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Crypto Library on August 16, 2024, 09:00:11 PM
That is how the movement is this days. And I think because of US election campaign which people (whales) are buying and selling to sponsor the campaigns so that also affect the market so I don't think their is any manipulation yet. I think this week the price decreased to $55k and went back to $60k again and my thought, US election has an impact on the price of bitcoin. Only my thought.
Your words can be also true and I also want to say that may be this is the last corrections of bitcoin before the bull-run? I can be wrong because nothing is guaranteed here.

As we already seen that there already multmultiple analyst did analysis and make their predictions but market goes opposite of their prediction. And if we try to notice that we will also find that in this time bitcoin break it's previous result like it cross the all-time high price before the halving and showing some unexpected ups and down on the market. But I think it is good time to make increase the adoption.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: satpol_PP on August 16, 2024, 09:37:35 PM
That is how the movement is this days. And I think because of US election campaign which people (whales) are buying and selling to sponsor the campaigns so that also affect the market so I don't think their is any manipulation yet. I think this week the price decreased to $55k and went back to $60k again and my thought, US election has an impact on the price of bitcoin. Only my thought.
Your words can be also true and I also want to say that may be this is the last corrections of bitcoin before the bull-run? I can be wrong because nothing is guaranteed here.

As we already seen that there already multmultiple analyst did analysis and make their predictions but market goes opposite of their prediction. And if we try to notice that we will also find that in this time bitcoin break it's previous result like it cross the all-time high price before the halving and showing some unexpected ups and down on the market. But I think it is good time to make increase the adoption.
Yes, this is the right time to buy furniture, because we see and read that many people make predictions but they are not accurate. This cycle is different from before because Bitcoin touched ATH before the halving, so be careful. Because not everything we read from people's predictions will be true, it's best to hold long term, this is a safer way.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on August 16, 2024, 11:36:21 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
Its a sure thing that buying pressure must have increased due to that the price started to recover and now sitting around $60k. Currently, the situation is a little worrying because there are words out in the news that BTC will dump again and this time it can go below $40k.

Without any solid proof, we cannot say anything for sure but till then we should analyze the BTC market for any type of manipulation. Due to ETFs millions of dollars are going in and out due to which the volatility of BTC has increased and it's hard to say for sure if it's manipulated on purpose or not manipulated at all.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: debra on August 16, 2024, 11:49:16 PM
And I think because of US election campaign which people (whales) are buying and selling to sponsor the campaigns so that also affect the market so I don't think their is any manipulation yet. I think this week the price decreased to $55k and went back to $60k again and my thought, US election has an impact on the price of bitcoin. Only my thought.
I don't get any information about this. Sure, it is possible that the whales sold their Bitcoin because of some purposes, one of them is for supporting campaigns of US president candidates. There should be whales behind the price movement of Bitcoin. Besides the whales who support US president election, we also have whales of MT Gox creditors. They also can influence the market if they sell their Bitcoin in a large number. As far as I know, they have thousands of Bitcoin.

Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: PX-Z on August 17, 2024, 01:40:21 AM
Someone cannot manipulate especially in bitcoin if this someone does not hold enough like 100k BTC. This is more like FOMO as there's no negative news about bitcoin being whatnot.

US election is far little topic to compare price predictions for whoever wins as creating regulations and laws does not magically made from the president itself, it takes votes from congress and senate then president before it becomes a law.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Kemarit on August 17, 2024, 05:45:58 AM
Someone cannot manipulate especially in bitcoin if this someone does not hold enough like 100k BTC. This is more like FOMO as there's no negative news about bitcoin being whatnot.

US election is far little topic to compare price predictions for whoever wins as creating regulations and laws does not magically made from the president itself, it takes votes from congress and senate then president before it becomes a law.

But for me it still has a impact to the price of Bitcoin or in other assets or commodities. US is the biggest economy (although debatable) and we still uses their USD as the global currency. So we can't deny that they have an impact to us specially the result of the upcoming election this November.

And come to think it of, it will coincide with the bull run year, so all eyes are in the US election and who ever wins and become the President will have a influence on the price itself and it can push the price to where we are predicting, in the 6 digit, or minimum $100,000.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: famososMuertos on August 17, 2024, 07:29:10 AM
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You are partly right, but not entirely so. Of course there is an influence of the financial markets, hence Bitcoin is not immune to it. What is interesting is to know that there is an organic volatility in bitcoin, but it is increasingly far from being consolidated by the effect of the community itself, there are facts taking external factors into account. These factors do not have to be a particular "actor" directly, but they exist, which is what needs to be understood.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: dekafee79 on August 17, 2024, 08:39:35 AM
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You are partly right, but not entirely so. Of course there is an influence of the financial markets, hence Bitcoin is not immune to it. What is interesting is to know that there is an organic volatility in bitcoin, but it is increasingly far from being consolidated by the effect of the community itself, there are facts taking external factors into account. These factors do not have to be a particular "actor" directly, but they exist, which is what needs to be understood.
Many factors affect the price of bitcoin, while the main factor is the demand and supply of bitcoin. External factors also exist such as the current global economic situation and current issues or good news that is circulating.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 17, 2024, 11:17:48 AM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
Its a sure thing that buying pressure must have increased due to that the price started to recover and now sitting around $60k. Currently, the situation is a little worrying because there are words out in the news that BTC will dump again and this time it can go below $40k.

Without any solid proof, we cannot say anything for sure but till then we should analyze the BTC market for any type of manipulation. Due to ETFs millions of dollars are going in and out due to which the volatility of BTC has increased and it's hard to say for sure if it's manipulated on purpose or not manipulated at all.
The manipulation could be about news and certainly when there is news we often see many things happen within the ecosystem whereby you can't even comprehend the price action of bitcoin you could see it at some certain price level today tomorrow you would see it when not happy. But of a true there are people who are just wishing for the price to drop significantly so that could hold and increase their bags of what they already missed.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: satpol_PP on August 17, 2024, 06:01:01 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
Its a sure thing that buying pressure must have increased due to that the price started to recover and now sitting around $60k. Currently, the situation is a little worrying because there are words out in the news that BTC will dump again and this time it can go below $40k.

Without any solid proof, we cannot say anything for sure but till then we should analyze the BTC market for any type of manipulation. Due to ETFs millions of dollars are going in and out due to which the volatility of BTC has increased and it's hard to say for sure if it's manipulated on purpose or not manipulated at all.
The manipulation could be about news and certainly when there is news we often see many things happen within the ecosystem whereby you can't even comprehend the price action of bitcoin you could see it at some certain price level today tomorrow you would see it when not happy. But of a true there are people who are just wishing for the price to drop significantly so that could hold and increase their bags of what they already missed.
Agreed mate, manipulation can be done by spreading news. If they want the price to go down, they spread bad news which causes the market to correct because they want to buy at a low price to add to their collection. And if they want the price to go up, they spread good news which will increase demand, this always happens in the market. We can only follow their flow, because we are only small investors.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Jamal Aezaz on August 17, 2024, 08:23:53 PM
Agreed mate, manipulation can be done by spreading news. If they want the price to go down, they spread bad news which causes the market to correct because they want to buy at a low price to add to their collection. And if they want the price to go up, they spread good news which will increase demand, this always happens in the market. We can only follow their flow, because we are only small investors.

News has major effects on the price of Bitcoin and other altcoins so if there arises some news then try to change your thoughts to take benefit from the spread news like if good news comes then sell your coins at higher value but if bad news arises then make more purchases as it will help you to buy at an affordable price and another way to handle such situations is to keep calm and manage your investment with patience after seeing that market is declining.

Changes are normal and we should not be worried because we are aware of the actuality and should follow the way they are creating if we have money to buy and sell continuously as it will offer us a huge profit with little risk but understanding is necessary here.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Wiseman on August 17, 2024, 10:07:18 PM

You touched on the topic of whales and I can say about them that they think completely differently and they do completely different things (not the ones we think about) if in short, now all whales have started working as market makers and earn money by providing their liquidity to organizations that successfully know how to manipulate the market with the help of huge liquidity behind them, and if we talk about ordinary investors who simply put aside their salaries and buy bitcoin, then whales are not a hindrance to them, the main thing is not to panic and not to sell less than the planned price.
We don't need to panic if we buy when bearish and plan to hold long term by following the 4-year cycle. because we will not be affected by whales if we choose to hold long term, But if we do trading or hold medium term we must always monitor the market and of course will always see the price movements played by whales.

I think that you shouldn’t listen to those who say that you need to do everything the other way around, you should always follow the whales, that is, the trend that they are directing and just swim alongside without inventing any strategies for yourself, but simply see that they have started to buy back, we take and buy back, they sell, which means we become short and also make money.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: alltalk on August 17, 2024, 11:22:47 PM
News has major effects on the price of Bitcoin and other altcoins so if there arises some news then try to change your thoughts to take benefit from the spread news like if good news comes then sell your coins at higher value but if bad news arises then make more purchases as it will help you to buy at an affordable price and another way to handle such situations is to keep calm and manage your investment with patience after seeing that market is declining.
News is very possible to influence the price of Bitcoin or altcoins. But how big the impact, it will depend on what news it is. It can be a major impact if the news has a direct connection to Bitcoin or the crypto world. But if it is not significant news and has no direct connection to Bitcoin, it may bring a minor impact only for Bitcoin price. Unfortunately, the spread of the news can be manipulated by certain parties.

Yep. We can take the advantage from both good or bad news. The basic principle is buying when the price goes down sharply and sell when price goes up high.  :)

Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: JoyMarsha on August 17, 2024, 11:45:53 PM
At this time of the market, as the Bitcoin price is moving sideways, you will be hearing different market sentiments arising from it; many will be false, and few can be true; whichever one it is, we can't differentiate or pinpoint the real cause of that(market situation). What we can do in such cases is to avoid the news, and never stop accumulating Bitcoin at a discount price because soon you may not see Bitcoin at the current price it is.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: B.Trader on August 18, 2024, 12:33:29 AM
Some of your assumptions are correct because some of the predictions match the experience of those who regularly trade and invest in crypto currencies.  If you look at the stock exchange markets such as gold bitcoin ethereum knight coin and other cardamom coins you will see that almost all of them go up and down and the price goes down and up and that's the religion.  Although manipulation can be a concern in the crypto market, it is difficult to say for sure whether certain price fluctuations are due to manipulation.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Crypto Library on August 19, 2024, 11:32:31 PM
Yes, this is the right time to buy furniture, because we see and read that many people make predictions but they are not accurate. This cycle is different from before because Bitcoin touched ATH before the halving, so be careful. Because not everything we read from people's predictions will be true, it's best to hold long term, this is a safer way.
Lol, this is right time to buy furniture or bitcoin ?  ::)
I will say that always for the holder and the DCA investors right time to buy in every dip of bitcoin price if they are really the holders. Otherwise those peoples who easily got manipulated my the FUDs and the market I think those should be worried about this market because I they will easily manipulated by the whale and they are the target of whales or those peoples who what to get profit by manipulated by market. Those panic seller will sell their bitcoin in these situations even they face loss.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: debra on August 22, 2024, 11:47:03 PM
Many factors affect the price of bitcoin, while the main factor is the demand and supply of bitcoin. External factors also exist such as the current global economic situation and current issues or good news that is circulating.
Yes, the main factor should be the demand and its circulating supply in the market. But I don't feel this to be the main factor on Bitcoin price movement nowadays. I feel that the news has the bigger role to determine the price movement. If there is bad or good news about crypto or Bitcoin, the price easily moves (decrease or increase). The economic issues around the world becomes one of the current news that is spreading much in any news channels. I don't understand why the news can have a very big role in Bitcoin price now. It seems like the Bitcoin price movement isn't very different with meme coins. It is getting relying on the news.

Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: dekafee79 on August 23, 2024, 08:26:18 PM
Many factors affect the price of bitcoin, while the main factor is the demand and supply of bitcoin. External factors also exist such as the current global economic situation and current issues or good news that is circulating.
Yes, the main factor should be the demand and its circulating supply in the market. But I don't feel this to be the main factor on Bitcoin price movement nowadays. I feel that the news has the bigger role to determine the price movement. If there is bad or good news about crypto or Bitcoin, the price easily moves (decrease or increase). The economic issues around the world becomes one of the current news that is spreading much in any news channels. I don't understand why the news can have a very big role in Bitcoin price now. It seems like the Bitcoin price movement isn't very different with meme coins. It is getting relying on the news.
Wouldn't bad news make people panic and sell their coins, this reduces the demand for the coin because of panic and fear of buying. They choose to sell.
Negative issues always affect demand, when bad news circulates we will see a decrease in the price of the coin
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: kulkhan on August 23, 2024, 09:05:42 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
We know huge big big whales already involved in cryptocurrency market. They are able to manipulated Any cryptocurrency even Bitcoin price. But now which market situation is natural i think. It is not manipulated ii think. We saw within short time bitcoin price moved $52k to $61k it is natural i think. 

We know huge big big good news happen for cryptocurrency market mainly for bitcoin. Like EFT approved by US  government. And Bitcoin halving has been happened. So market any time can be up. So i think it is normal not manipulated.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 23, 2024, 10:16:41 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
We know huge big big whales already involved in cryptocurrency market. They are able to manipulated Any cryptocurrency even Bitcoin price. But now which market situation is natural i think. It is not manipulated ii think. We saw within short time bitcoin price moved $52k to $61k it is natural i think. 

We know huge big big good news happen for cryptocurrency market mainly for bitcoin. Like EFT approved by US  government. And Bitcoin halving has been happened. So market any time can be up. So i think it is normal not manipulated.
Market is always manipulative because it's being controlled by news even that news is also something that could be controversial in the market where it would cause serious panicked to the entire cryptocurrency market. Whatever movement caused my whale is always manipulation and because all these are what attributes to prices of cryptocurrency especially bitcoin at large. Bitcoin is one of the coin that controls the entire currencies what ever that affects the price easily influences the price of other currencies.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: nakmantu99 on August 24, 2024, 06:12:15 PM

Market is always manipulative because it's being controlled by news even that news is also something that could be controversial in the market where it would cause serious panicked to the entire cryptocurrency market. Whatever movement caused my whale is always manipulation and because all these are what attributes to prices of cryptocurrency especially bitcoin at large. Bitcoin is one of the coin that controls the entire currencies what ever that affects the price easily influences the price of other currencies.
for large fund owners can certainly manipulate the crypto market, but it will not last long because the market will return to normal, there will only be a correction if there is a negative issue circulating. Whales or a group of whales are the main actors who manipulate the crypto market.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: alltalk on August 24, 2024, 10:43:10 PM
for large fund owners can certainly manipulate the crypto market, but it will not last long because the market will return to normal, there will only be a correction if there is a negative issue circulating. Whales or a group of whales are the main actors who manipulate the crypto market.
Indeed. The whales have the power to manipulate the market. If the circulating supply in the market is increasing, the price will tend to decrease. The whales is possible to dump it because they have many coins in their wallets. Moreover if there is news spreading in many social media channels that reports the whales to sell such coins because of certain reasons. This will boost the power to decline the prices of the coins quickly. However, it is true that they will dump it temporally. For the long run, it may have no significant impact anymore.


Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: doc on August 25, 2024, 08:29:15 AM
for large fund owners can certainly manipulate the crypto market, but it will not last long because the market will return to normal, there will only be a correction if there is a negative issue circulating. Whales or a group of whales are the main actors who manipulate the crypto market.
Indeed. The whales have the power to manipulate the market. If the circulating supply in the market is increasing, the price will tend to decrease. The whales is possible to dump it because they have many coins in their wallets. Moreover if there is news spreading in many social media channels that reports the whales to sell such coins because of certain reasons. This will boost the power to decline the prices of the coins quickly. However, it is true that they will dump it temporally. For the long run, it may have no significant impact anymore.
you are right if we have decided to hold for the long term of course we are affected by the news that is currently circulating, we remain calm because of course we will sell it during the bullish season. Whales will always manipulate the market with news that makes prices go up or down according to their wishes.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: debra on August 27, 2024, 11:45:52 PM
Wouldn't bad news make people panic and sell their coins, this reduces the demand for the coin because of panic and fear of buying. They choose to sell. Negative issues always affect demand, when bad news circulates we will see a decrease in the price of the coin
Indeed. That's why I said "the price can move (decrease or increase) easily because of the news". When there is bad news, people can sell their Bitcoin for a lose because they panic. But now, people are getting smarter, they won't sell their Bitcoin carelessly. People already have good knowledge because many sources explain it. Even if the price dropped, I see many people keep holding. They aren't so worried again with the downtrend.

Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: PX-Z on August 28, 2024, 01:42:27 AM
... . But now, people are getting smarter, they won't sell their Bitcoin carelessly. People already have good knowledge because many sources explain it. Even if the price dropped, I see many people keep holding. They aren't so worried again with the downtrend.
I hope it is but i don't think so, there are still lot of people got FOMO hearing negative news like its always the reason why bitcoin will dump just hearing it.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: rizqillah on August 28, 2024, 07:50:33 AM
... . But now, people are getting smarter, they won't sell their Bitcoin carelessly. People already have good knowledge because many sources explain it. Even if the price dropped, I see many people keep holding. They aren't so worried again with the downtrend.
I hope it is but i don't think so, there are still lot of people got FOMO hearing negative news like its always the reason why bitcoin will dump just hearing it.
not all investors have good emotions, do not panic when there is bad news. Fomo is always there especially for newbies they will panic if suddenly the market experiences a correction. If you have been investing for a long time and have good experience and understand that volatility will always be there in crypto, they will remain calm.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: alltalk on August 30, 2024, 09:01:55 PM
you are right if we have decided to hold for the long term of course we are affected by the news that is currently circulating, we remain calm because of course we will sell it during the bullish season. Whales will always manipulate the market with news that makes prices go up or down according to their wishes.
If we are holding for a long term, we shouldn't be affected to the current news because we won't sell in the near future. It will be different if we are holding for a short term and plan to sell the Bitcoin soon. Sure, we will be affected because we are worried that the won't reach our expected price for taking profits. But if we used our own funds for the investment, I think it is no problem to hold it a longer time if it still doesn't reach the goal. Bitcoin is trustable asset, the price will grow again. The drop in Bitcoin usually will last temporally.

Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: debra on September 04, 2024, 11:14:00 PM
I hope it is but i don't think so, there are still lot of people got FOMO hearing negative news like its always the reason why bitcoin will dump just hearing it.
It is quite unfortunate that there are still many people who never learned well. Or those people got FOMO are beginners?
If people are experienced enough in crypto, they must be aware of the FUDs and they won't be influenced with the FUDs. But I can realize that some people have bad mentality. They easily feel worried every time they hear about bad news. This type of people will be difficult to improve their mentality because they basically have a problem with their emotion.

Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Legion on September 05, 2024, 03:40:21 AM
I hope it is but i don't think so, there are still lot of people got FOMO hearing negative news like its always the reason why bitcoin will dump just hearing it.
It is quite unfortunate that there are still many people who never learned well. Or those people got FOMO are beginners?
If people are experienced enough in crypto, they must be aware of the FUDs and they won't be influenced with the FUDs. But I can realize that some people have bad mentality. They easily feel worried every time they hear about bad news. This type of people will be difficult to improve their mentality because they basically have a problem with their emotion.
It is logical to accept the fact that experience and knowledge is vital when facing all sorts of challenges in the crypto world, including FUD. However, the journey is different for everyone and the level of experience is definetely different as well. Especially to the newcomers, much effort should be made to be supportive and share useful information on how to cope with the existence of uncertainty. For those scared, with proper attitude and information we can assist them to clear their fears and be confident enough to face the coming hurdles.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: philipma1957 on September 05, 2024, 05:22:21 AM
BTC will likely drop under 55k tonight. Maybe as low as 48 or 49k.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: bayu7adi on September 05, 2024, 08:46:49 AM
It is logical to accept the fact that experience and knowledge is vital when facing all sorts of challenges in the crypto world, including FUD. However, the journey is different for everyone and the level of experience is definetely different as well. Especially to the newcomers, much effort should be made to be supportive and share useful information on how to cope with the existence of uncertainty. For those scared, with proper attitude and information we can assist them to clear their fears and be confident enough to face the coming hurdles.
After knowing that their decision was wrong because they were trapped in FUD, in the next FUD news, they should have been able to improve their decision better. People who are too influenced by fomo usually only happen at the beginning of their career in the cryptocurrency world, at least it takes time for them to learn from their mistakes in order to become traders or investors who have strong hands. I still think this is normal, because there are so many people coming into the cryptocurrency world every day... and they come from various different backgrounds.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Legion on September 05, 2024, 08:51:59 AM
It is logical to accept the fact that experience and knowledge is vital when facing all sorts of challenges in the crypto world, including FUD. However, the journey is different for everyone and the level of experience is definetely different as well. Especially to the newcomers, much effort should be made to be supportive and share useful information on how to cope with the existence of uncertainty. For those scared, with proper attitude and information we can assist them to clear their fears and be confident enough to face the coming hurdles.
After knowing that their decision was wrong because they were trapped in FUD, in the next FUD news, they should have been able to improve their decision better. People who are too influenced by fomo usually only happen at the beginning of their career in the cryptocurrency world, at least it takes time for them to learn from their mistakes in order to become traders or investors who have strong hands. I still think this is normal, because there are so many people coming into the cryptocurrency world every day... and they come from various different backgrounds.
Right, After going through such mistakes of being trapped in FUD, many new traders and investors will be more careful if they encounter such information in the future. Failure is also part of the process and learning from it is a key factor of their growth. It is understandable for them to get FOMO at the onset of entering the crypto zone, but as they continuously engage themselves, they will develop the capability to overcome it. Some are from traditional broadcast backgrounds, and some are from tech and gaming backgrounds, which is why many people are getting involved in this space, which is a good thing.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: pieppiep on September 05, 2024, 09:14:08 AM
BTC will likely drop under 55k tonight. Maybe as low as 48 or 49k.
I usually take advantage of situations like this to buy more bitcoins. The price of bitcoin dropping to the number you mentioned above is a fairly cheap price. So for investors and other wealthy people it is a very good opportunity and must be utilized well.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: dekafee79 on September 05, 2024, 10:33:21 AM
BTC will likely drop under 55k tonight. Maybe as low as 48 or 49k.
I usually take advantage of situations like this to buy more bitcoins. The price of bitcoin dropping to the number you mentioned above is a fairly cheap price. So for investors and other wealthy people it is a very good opportunity and must be utilized well.
The current situation is very good if you have a lot of capital to buy coins, especially bitcoin and other top 5 coins, I added Solanan and BNB last week and plan to buy TON this week. Let's see, the market will improve or will go down again.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: philipma1957 on September 05, 2024, 07:46:09 PM
BTC will likely drop under 55k tonight. Maybe as low as 48 or 49k.
I usually take advantage of situations like this to buy more bitcoins. The price of bitcoin dropping to the number you mentioned above is a fairly cheap price. So for investors and other wealthy people it is a very good opportunity and must be utilized well.

it hit 55.8k about an hour ago maybe a bit lower is still coming.

it looks like it needs to drop under under 50k in order to reset and move up.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: taufik123 on September 05, 2024, 09:49:05 PM
it hit 55.8k about an hour ago maybe a bit lower is still coming.

it looks like it needs to drop under under 50k in order to reset and move up.
If Bitcoin is unable to break $57k again in the Flip Trend area in the 1D Time Frame, it will be a further decline as you said.
But to break the $50k price below it must break through $52700 as a fairly strong resistance in the Down area of the console trend.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/05/9qSGW.png)

Hopefully, bitcoin is still strong enough and breaking the price of $50k below will be a very sharp decline and make all altcoins also affected.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: JISAN on September 05, 2024, 09:59:50 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
Bitcoin prices have seen a great deal of volatility.  It's been down a lot for a few days.  $2500+ price drop today too.  Bitcoin being down like this confuses me.  Because I haven't received any negative news about Bitcoin yet but Bitcoin is continuously decreasing. If it goes down like that, the price could go below $50k. And if that happens, something bad could happen to Bitcoin. Everyone is looking forward to 2025 as there is a big chance of Bitcoin price making an ATH at that time. Do you think Bitcoin can make a big ATH in 2025?

If Bitcoin can make ATH in 2025 then now is a good time to buy Bitcoin with DCA.  Because now Bitcoin is very down.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: target on September 05, 2024, 10:24:14 PM

Its the worse kind of manipulation when the new investors seeing the value of their BTC gradually dripping down in real time and they obviously have the choice to sell whicb is going to be just a click on the botton.

With the number of institutions and even government buying BTC now, its not surprising they all could conspire to bring the price down with just a single news about regulation all for thier benefit.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: pieppiep on September 06, 2024, 07:43:23 AM

Its the worse kind of manipulation when the new investors seeing the value of their BTC gradually dripping down in real time and they obviously have the choice to sell whicb is going to be just a click on the botton.

With the number of institutions and even government buying BTC now, its not surprising they all could conspire to bring the price down with just a single news about regulation all for thier benefit.
One needs to know that observing BTC’s price decrease live can cause quite a lot of stress to individuals new to trading. But in many cases, the price is very sensitive to change more especially in the crypto market whereby a variation in price does not necessarily indicate foul play.
 
 Also, there are possibilities of control and influence from institutions or governments but it is worthy to note that Crypto market is a very large market, thus affected by many factors. The knowledge of regulation or policy change mostly has a short-term effect, but having enough information about it and applying proper investment management, the investors will be in a better position to get through these fluctuations and make the right decisions.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on September 06, 2024, 08:32:40 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.
Bitcoin prices have seen a great deal of volatility.  It's been down a lot for a few days.  $2500+ price drop today too.  Bitcoin being down like this confuses me.  Because I haven't received any negative news about Bitcoin yet but Bitcoin is continuously decreasing. If it goes down like that, the price could go below $50k. And if that happens, something bad could happen to Bitcoin. Everyone is looking forward to 2025 as there is a big chance of Bitcoin price making an ATH at that time. Do you think Bitcoin can make a big ATH in 2025?

If Bitcoin can make ATH in 2025 then now is a good time to buy Bitcoin with DCA.  Because now Bitcoin is very down.
For the past few months I had took out my time to study bitcoin and their reaction towards gaining new ATH or before new ATH is being created. Now this is what I understood about bitcoin, if bitcoin gained new ath this year after having, the next year there would be massive increase in the price then after that, the next remaining two years it would be dip and if not dumping above 60 percentage to the previous ath. Sequentially it has happened like this for long and I think we shouldn't put it into heart anymore than to accumulate and ready for the next big move.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Gurujebs on September 06, 2024, 08:38:06 PM
For the past few months I had took out my time to study bitcoin and their reaction towards gaining new ATH or before new ATH is being created. Now this is what I understood about bitcoin, if bitcoin gained new ath this year after having, the next year there would be massive increase in the price then after that, the next remaining two years it would be dip and if not dumping above 60 percentage to the previous ath. Sequentially it has happened like this for long and I think we shouldn't put it into heart anymore than to accumulate and ready for the next big move.

September has always been a bad month for Bitcoin performance which is why the Bitcoin price is declining gradually but the way things are going, some traders are bullish and opening long positions for Bitcoin because they think that release of CZ might give an insight about a new bull run since he has always been motivator for Bitcoin bull run.

However, since CZ will be going out soon from prison, one of the conditions of CZ was that he is going to stop operating with Binance and will never have anything to do with Binance again as reported in the media but he can have a stake on Binance which is going to last for 3 years. This alone I think might make Bitcoin go down even more.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on September 06, 2024, 09:02:33 PM
For the past few months I had took out my time to study bitcoin and their reaction towards gaining new ATH or before new ATH is being created. Now this is what I understood about bitcoin, if bitcoin gained new ath this year after having, the next year there would be massive increase in the price then after that, the next remaining two years it would be dip and if not dumping above 60 percentage to the previous ath. Sequentially it has happened like this for long and I think we shouldn't put it into heart anymore than to accumulate and ready for the next big move.

September has always been a bad month for Bitcoin performance which is why the Bitcoin price is declining gradually but the way things are going, some traders are bullish and opening long positions for Bitcoin because they think that release of CZ might give an insight about a new bull run since he has always been motivator for Bitcoin bull run.

However, since CZ will be going out soon from prison, one of the conditions of CZ was that he is going to stop operating with Binance and will never have anything to do with Binance again as reported in the media but he can have a stake on Binance which is going to last for 3 years. This alone I think might make Bitcoin go down even more.
Only CZ might not influenced the market, however traders and the determinant factors which are the things that is currently pulling the market. The fact that CZ won't trade or speak much about bitcoin wouldn't give much impact to the bitcoin because you and I knows one single influencer doesn't influence the market to react negatively or positively but, what happened is that there would be some changes which is not going to effect immediately and as we know positive news doesn't affect the market like negative news.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: kulkhan on September 06, 2024, 09:27:34 PM
Yes i think bitcoin price being manipulated. We are seeing huge big big investors coming in cryptocurrency market. Like Elon Musk also a big investor. And like Elon Musk huge big big Businessman and others professions people are coming in this crypto industry. So they are investing large amount fund and when they selling thats then market being dump. Even sometimes they are doing it deliberately. So i think bitcoin price being manipulated some times there has no doubt.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: summonerrk on September 07, 2024, 01:45:06 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.

No matter how many claim that someone manipulates the price of Bitcoin, I will always say that this is not true. The fact is that Bitcoin has huge monetary volumes, and in order to move the price up or down, incredible reserves of money are needed. At the same time, the whale will risk them. Therefore, I believe that the market mostly moves chaotically.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on September 07, 2024, 02:13:48 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.

No matter how many claim that someone manipulates the price of Bitcoin, I will always say that this is not true. The fact is that Bitcoin has huge monetary volumes, and in order to move the price up or down, incredible reserves of money are needed. At the same time, the whale will risk them. Therefore, I believe that the market mostly moves chaotically.
Smiles.. so now if the whale are the people controlling the market is that not manipulation? Manipulation is not only when a specific entity influence the market, manipulation could be that market just down extremely dip due to some uncertainties and of course it would go low while those who ready to utilize the market takes opportunity, by then you see the market bounce back within some moments of days/weeks and months.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: satpol_PP on September 07, 2024, 02:43:55 PM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.

No matter how many claim that someone manipulates the price of Bitcoin, I will always say that this is not true. The fact is that Bitcoin has huge monetary volumes, and in order to move the price up or down, incredible reserves of money are needed. At the same time, the whale will risk them. Therefore, I believe that the market mostly moves chaotically.
Smiles.. so now if the whale are the people controlling the market is that not manipulation? Manipulation is not only when a specific entity influence the market, manipulation could be that market just down extremely dip due to some uncertainties and of course it would go low while those who ready to utilize the market takes opportunity, by then you see the market bounce back within some moments of days/weeks and months.
what you said is true, actually whales always manipulate the crypto market, you could say a group of whales do it. and I just follow their game and take advantage of the moment, if the market is dumped I will buy coins and if the market goes up again I will sell my coins, isn't that fun..
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: pieppiep on September 08, 2024, 04:20:34 AM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.

No matter how many claim that someone manipulates the price of Bitcoin, I will always say that this is not true. The fact is that Bitcoin has huge monetary volumes, and in order to move the price up or down, incredible reserves of money are needed. At the same time, the whale will risk them. Therefore, I believe that the market mostly moves chaotically.
Smiles.. so now if the whale are the people controlling the market is that not manipulation? Manipulation is not only when a specific entity influence the market, manipulation could be that market just down extremely dip due to some uncertainties and of course it would go low while those who ready to utilize the market takes opportunity, by then you see the market bounce back within some moments of days/weeks and months.
what you said is true, actually whales always manipulate the crypto market, you could say a group of whales do it. and I just follow their game and take advantage of the moment, if the market is dumped I will buy coins and if the market goes up again I will sell my coins, isn't that fun..
However, whales do have one of those advantages. Hence occasionally the condition of the exchange place resembles a manipulation that is occasionally exercised by the whales given that they have boundless amounts of funds. That is, the rule is simple: when the price is low, you should buy, but the issue arises when the price of Bitcoin can reach a new all-time high at $73,000 and plummet the first time at $69,000 and say you will buy Bitcoin at a low price. But to date, the price of Bitcoin has decreased to $54k and has remained almost $40k. Very scary, we must remain cautious when considering the option to purchase Bitcoin at a low price.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: doc on September 08, 2024, 07:26:37 AM

However, whales do have one of those advantages. Hence occasionally the condition of the exchange place resembles a manipulation that is occasionally exercised by the whales given that they have boundless amounts of funds. That is, the rule is simple: when the price is low, you should buy, but the issue arises when the price of Bitcoin can reach a new all-time high at $73,000 and plummet the first time at $69,000 and say you will buy Bitcoin at a low price. But to date, the price of Bitcoin has decreased to $54k and has remained almost $40k. Very scary, we must remain cautious when considering the option to purchase Bitcoin at a low price.
That's the interesting thing about bitcoin and crypto, because we can't predict the market accurately. That's why I choose short-term and medium-term trading. We don't need to compare the price of bitcoin at $69K to $54K now because we can trade some in every bitcoin price drop and sell it when the bitcoin price goes up.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Wiseman on September 08, 2024, 08:59:31 AM
That's the interesting thing about bitcoin and crypto, because we can't predict the market accurately. That's why I choose short-term and medium-term trading. We don't need to compare the price of bitcoin at $69K to $54K now because we can trade some in every bitcoin price drop and sell it when the bitcoin price goes up.

You can say it more simply: If you are engaged in trading, then the price of bitcoin does not matter to you at all, the main thing for you is that the price fluctuations are much stronger than usual, and you should not care whether it falls or rises, the main thing is that the price does not stand still and you will always make money.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Azharul on September 09, 2024, 11:05:24 AM
Bitcoin is one of the biggest crypto in cryptocurrency world. But we also know that bitcoin price will be manipulated. Because we know that many renowned person will be change it price. I also think that bitcoin price is gradually decrease now. If the market will be go down, it will be best problem for bitcoin investors or holder. But another we thot it also be best opportunity for crypto holder. Because it’s the high time for holding in cryptocurrency. At last we told that as soon as bitcoin price will come back in cryptocurrency market.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: dekafee79 on September 10, 2024, 09:37:09 AM
Yes i think bitcoin price being manipulated. We are seeing huge big big investors coming in cryptocurrency market. Like Elon Musk also a big investor. And like Elon Musk huge big big Businessman and others professions people are coming in this crypto industry. So they are investing large amount fund and when they selling thats then market being dump. Even sometimes they are doing it deliberately. So i think bitcoin price being manipulated some times there has no doubt.
Actually it is already a public secret, whales always manipulate the price of bitcoin. I do not know if Elon Musk is one of those whales, because he is also one of the richest people in the world who supports crypto currency. so the possibility is always there, because a group of whales can manipulate the price of bitcoin.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: kulkhan on September 10, 2024, 07:55:29 PM
Yes i think bitcoin price being manipulated. We are seeing huge big big investors coming in cryptocurrency market. Like Elon Musk also a big investor. And like Elon Musk huge big big Businessman and others professions people are coming in this crypto industry. So they are investing large amount fund and when they selling thats then market being dump. Even sometimes they are doing it deliberately. So i think bitcoin price being manipulated some times there has no doubt.
Actually it is already a public secret, whales always manipulate the price of bitcoin. I do not know if Elon Musk is one of those whales, because he is also one of the richest people in the world who supports crypto currency. so the possibility is always there, because a group of whales can manipulate the price of bitcoin.
Yes there has no doubt whales can be manipulated. Because we saw Elon Musk post about Doge coin on Twitter /X after then Doge coin price increased huge. Elon Musk is a big whale and he can manipulate Bitcoin it is too easier for him i strongly believe it.

Not only Elon Musk more whales are available in worldwide. They can manipulated several cryptocurrency. We know Bitcoin halving happened few months ago normally now should up market but now cryptocurrency market is down. I think there has whales affects otherwise it were up.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Gurujebs on September 10, 2024, 08:25:49 PM
You can say it more simply: If you are engaged in trading, then the price of bitcoin does not matter to you at all, the main thing for you is that the price fluctuations are much stronger than usual, and you should not care whether it falls or rises, the main thing is that the price does not stand still and you will always make money.

There are times you can't really say anything regarding the direction of the market. I have seen instance where people think that the market is about been bearish and expected the price to go down and all of a sudden, the price went up and many balance were liquidated under a minute that accounts for millions of dollars, this is the advantage of speculating price.

There is nothing that can beat holding of coins or doing spot trading, a small fluctuation in price can get you something profitable for that day or even week depending on how heavy your capital is to your trades.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: sagarmota10 on September 11, 2024, 06:29:34 PM
Well it's hard to say that the BTC can be manipulated bcz BTC have large capital coin and to manipulate is not so easy to anyone but it can be move accordingly the news and rumore which is flowing to the market,social media,etc.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Themepen on September 11, 2024, 09:25:34 PM
There are times you can't really say anything regarding the direction of the market. I have seen instance where people think that the market is about been bearish and expected the price to go down and all of a sudden, the price went up and many balance were liquidated under a minute that accounts for millions of dollars, this is the advantage of speculating price.

There is nothing that can beat holding of coins or doing spot trading, a small fluctuation in price can get you something profitable for that day or even week depending on how heavy your capital is to your trades.
That is right market is hard to predict and even experts can be wrong. For example a sudden price increase can happen, and many people can lose a lot of money in short time. This shows risks of trying to guess what market will do.

Instead it is better to hold coins or trade them directly. This way we can still make money from small changes in  price especially if we have a lot of money to trade. This approach is safer and more stable, making it good choice for those who want to trade wisely.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: nakmantu99 on September 11, 2024, 09:34:13 PM
You can say it more simply: If you are engaged in trading, then the price of bitcoin does not matter to you at all, the main thing for you is that the price fluctuations are much stronger than usual, and you should not care whether it falls or rises, the main thing is that the price does not stand still and you will always make money.

There are times you can't really say anything regarding the direction of the market. I have seen instance where people think that the market is about been bearish and expected the price to go down and all of a sudden, the price went up and many balance were liquidated under a minute that accounts for millions of dollars, this is the advantage of speculating price.

There is nothing that can beat holding of coins or doing spot trading, a small fluctuation in price can get you something profitable for that day or even week depending on how heavy your capital is to your trades.
Large capital in trading will make us get bigger profits if we have expertise in trading. You are right and I agree no one can predict the market, suddenly the market can go up and we can get big profits if we enter at the right time and buy potential coins. but the opposite can also happen if the market is going to experience a bullrun but suddenly because of bad news the market experiences a sharp correction and we lose a lot,

That is right market is hard to predict and even experts can be wrong. For example a sudden price increase can happen, and many people can lose a lot of money in short time. This shows risks of trying to guess what market will do.

Instead it is better to hold coins or trade them directly. This way we can still make money from small changes in  price especially if we have a lot of money to trade. This approach is safer and more stable, making it good choice for those who want to trade wisely.
Trading short term by taking advantage of market changes we can get profit, that's what I've been doing all this time. because the volatility of the crypto market is very high and we have to prepare USD to buy potential coins when a correction occurs.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: summonerrk on September 15, 2024, 01:17:09 PM
You can say it more simply: If you are engaged in trading, then the price of bitcoin does not matter to you at all, the main thing for you is that the price fluctuations are much stronger than usual, and you should not care whether it falls or rises, the main thing is that the price does not stand still and you will always make money.

There are times you can't really say anything regarding the direction of the market. I have seen instance where people think that the market is about been bearish and expected the price to go down and all of a sudden, the price went up and many balance were liquidated under a minute that accounts for millions of dollars, this is the advantage of speculating price.

There is nothing that can beat holding of coins or doing spot trading, a small fluctuation in price can get you something profitable for that day or even week depending on how heavy your capital is to your trades.

Yes, the cryptocurrency market is not controlled at all and anyone who claims otherwise is a charlatan. That is why I often argue with those who claim that mobile trading and gambling are not so different. But they are different. Trading is a prediction with a high degree of probability. And an experienced trader will always be in the black with the right approach over a long distance.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Wedhus Balap on September 15, 2024, 01:30:35 PM
You can say it more simply: If you are engaged in trading, then the price of bitcoin does not matter to you at all, the main thing for you is that the price fluctuations are much stronger than usual, and you should not care whether it falls or rises, the main thing is that the price does not stand still and you will always make money.

There are times you can't really say anything regarding the direction of the market. I have seen instance where people think that the market is about been bearish and expected the price to go down and all of a sudden, the price went up and many balance were liquidated under a minute that accounts for millions of dollars, this is the advantage of speculating price.

There is nothing that can beat holding of coins or doing spot trading, a small fluctuation in price can get you something profitable for that day or even week depending on how heavy your capital is to your trades.

Yes, the cryptocurrency market is not controlled at all and anyone who claims otherwise is a charlatan. That is why I often argue with those who claim that mobile trading and gambling are not so different. But they are different. Trading is a prediction with a high degree of probability. And an experienced trader will always be in the black with the right approach over a long distance.
I don't fully believe that the crypto market is not controlled by anyone. The main factor that determines the price increase is demand, if a group of whales buy crypto in large quantities, this will increase demand and make the price go up because the stock is still the same. And vice versa. So I think crypto, stocks, etc. must be manipulated..
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: legend45 on September 15, 2024, 03:55:27 PM

I don't fully believe that the crypto market is not controlled by anyone. The main factor that determines the price increase is demand, if a group of whales buy crypto in large quantities, this will increase demand and make the price go up because the stock is still the same. And vice versa. So I think crypto, stocks, etc. must be manipulated..
Analytically it is true, if the demand increases the price will increase, but we have to think how many whales will work together to increase the price of bitcoin because it takes a lot of money to be able to manipulate the price in the market. And it must be a group of rich people who will take advantage of the increase or decrease in the price of bitcoin. we should also follow when the market is manipulated by buying or selling our coins.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: target on September 15, 2024, 04:03:31 PM

They are also saying gold price was manipulated to make it look very stable and people will not have interest in buying gold but obviously th manipulation may not last since countries and central banks are buying real mneral assets since there are rumors about the world getting back to gold standard.

BTC being manipulated could also be the same effect, people have no monry and BTC price tok high for the poor people yet to risky for the rich in invest.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Parzival204 on September 15, 2024, 04:36:00 PM
In my opinion, this is nothing new. Because as has happened before, when market prices rise, this will be a question mark for people. Whether the price will continue to rise or will experience a significant decline. But this is normal. Even in gold or Other goods whose prices sometimes soar without any reason. but what we hope is that BTC will be priced not too high but still stable
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Parzival204 on September 15, 2024, 04:37:25 PM
In my opinion, this is nothing new. Because as has happened before, when market prices rise, this will be a question mark for people. Whether the price will continue to rise or will experience a significant decline. But this is normal. Even in gold or Other goods whose prices sometimes soar without any reason. but what we hope is that BTC will be priced not too high but still stable
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: doc on September 16, 2024, 07:47:32 AM

They are also saying gold price was manipulated to make it look very stable and people will not have interest in buying gold but obviously th manipulation may not last since countries and central banks are buying real mneral assets since there are rumors about the world getting back to gold standard.

BTC being manipulated could also be the same effect, people have no monry and BTC price tok high for the poor people yet to risky for the rich in invest.
Bitcoin will probably never be stable, dude. because the character of crypto currency is very volatile. but we know what will happen in the future, it is likely that when popularity is very high the price of bitcoin will be more stable and will be more expensive than today. There is no doubt about bitcoin being expensive, because history has proven it.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on September 19, 2024, 01:13:41 AM
Bitcoin will probably never be stable, dude. because the character of crypto currency is very volatile. but we know what will happen in the future, it is likely that when popularity is very high the price of bitcoin will be more stable and will be more expensive than today. There is no doubt about bitcoin being expensive, because history has proven it.
It is very correct , the main ingredient of Bitcoin is its volatility, and that will be something that will always be fulfilled, there will always be volatility, with respect to the passage of time it is a fact that in a few years the price of bitcoin will be much Higher , much more inaccessible for many to be Able to buy, it is for this reason that one has to take full advantage of the fact of having and buying right now, even with the DCA Method , which is the most recommended.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Wiseman on September 19, 2024, 09:59:39 AM
Bitcoin will probably never be stable, dude. because the character of crypto currency is very volatile. but we know what will happen in the future, it is likely that when popularity is very high the price of bitcoin will be more stable and will be more expensive than today. There is no doubt about bitcoin being expensive, because history has proven it.

In fact, this point even repels many, many want to buy bitcoin and stop after they look at the chart and think that they might need money very urgently in a short time, everyone wants to hold bitcoin and know that in dollar terms it should always grow, there is such a tool on the exchanges (I don’t remember what it’s called) but the point is that you will never lose money, it would be integrated into wallets, I think more people would want to use bitcoin.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: dekafee79 on September 26, 2024, 03:25:17 PM
Bitcoin will probably never be stable, dude. because the character of crypto currency is very volatile. but we know what will happen in the future, it is likely that when popularity is very high the price of bitcoin will be more stable and will be more expensive than today. There is no doubt about bitcoin being expensive, because history has proven it.
It is very correct , the main ingredient of Bitcoin is its volatility, and that will be something that will always be fulfilled, there will always be volatility, with respect to the passage of time it is a fact that in a few years the price of bitcoin will be much Higher , much more inaccessible for many to be Able to buy, it is for this reason that one has to take full advantage of the fact of having and buying right now, even with the DCA Method , which is the most recommended.
I also use the DCA method to add to my collection of coins that I like and I plan to hold for the long term. because with the gradual purchase method it feels lighter because my capital is not large and I get a little profit from the trading that I use to buy coins with the DCA method.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 01, 2024, 11:56:37 PM

I also use the DCA method to add to my collection of coins that I like and I plan to hold for the long term. because with the gradual purchase method it feels lighter because my capital is not large and I get a little profit from the trading that I use to buy coins with the DCA method.

It is a very good strategy because basically when you get results from trading to buy BTC or another currency it is a very good strategy , the truth is I had not seen it that way , but it is something that I had not thought about , so when trading you have to be very profitable to do it , well I personally am Trying to do 1 minute trading because I see that it has and meets many fundamentals to do in the medium and long term , however I have not yet been able to make a profit from there , on the Contrary , as I am in a learning period and applying strategies my account has gone down , but I thought that if I burn the account I am not going to give up , I will continue there until I get a good profitability.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: MRY on October 05, 2024, 07:02:20 PM
Bitcoin will probably never be stable, dude. because the character of crypto currency is very volatile. but we know what will happen in the future, it is likely that when popularity is very high the price of bitcoin will be more stable and will be more expensive than today. There is no doubt about bitcoin being expensive, because history has proven it.
It is very correct , the main ingredient of Bitcoin is its volatility, and that will be something that will always be fulfilled, there will always be volatility, with respect to the passage of time it is a fact that in a few years the price of bitcoin will be much Higher , much more inaccessible for many to be Able to buy, it is for this reason that one has to take full advantage of the fact of having and buying right now, even with the DCA Method , which is the most recommended.
I also use the DCA method to add to my collection of coins that I like and I plan to hold for the long term. because with the gradual purchase method it feels lighter because my capital is not large and I get a little profit from the trading that I use to buy coins with the DCA method.
Exactly, The DCA method you are using is wise depending on the amount of capital you have at your disposal. It also affords you a chance to purchase gold coins over time, thus avoiding the pressures of trying to identify the right time to invest in the business. Another strategy is the use of profits obtained from your trade to expand the list of coins you own because it’s a systematic way of accumulating a portfolio without necessarily having to donate a lump sum of your money. But positioning yourself for the long term, you stand a better shot at capturing or seeing potential future gains as erratic crypto space more so the market returns are much healthier if looked at in the longer term.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Rami on October 05, 2024, 07:29:14 PM
It definitely feels like there’s some whale magic at play when Bitcoin jumps like that! 🐋✨ It’s like watching a rollercoaster ride—exciting but a bit nerve-wracking! While positive news can spark a rally, sudden spikes often raise eyebrows about potential manipulation. If you’re DCA-ing, congrats on riding the wave! Just remember to hold on tight; the crypto market loves to keep us guessing! 🎢💰
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 07, 2024, 11:32:32 PM
I think the price of BTC is manipulated sometimes, because for bitcoin to move many billions of dollars are needed to take a direction and the truth is very few people in the world have that capacity, but in part it can be said that it is manipulated, I remember that in 2017 many traders or well many investors entered the market through bitfinex through pure shorts, and the idea was to take the btc from the weak hands when they panicked, because they would sell out of pure panic, it worked a lot for them, however I have not seen that movement until now.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: nakmantu99 on October 08, 2024, 12:26:00 AM
I think the price of BTC is manipulated sometimes, because for bitcoin to move many billions of dollars are needed to take a direction and the truth is very few people in the world have that capacity, but in part it can be said that it is manipulated, I remember that in 2017 many traders or well many investors entered the market through bitfinex through pure shorts, and the idea was to take the btc from the weak hands when they panicked, because they would sell out of pure panic, it worked a lot for them, however I have not seen that movement until now.
Whales will always manipulate the market as long as they can because it takes a lot of capital to do so and also because by blowing negative issues, those who panic will sell it at a low price and whales will buy it. This is what we always observe.
For now it may not be so obvious because approaching the bullish season the price drop is not that big, but it often happens and at that time whales play their role.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: rby on October 08, 2024, 12:43:48 AM
I think the price of BTC is manipulated sometimes, because for bitcoin to move many billions of dollars are needed to take a direction and the truth is very few people in the world have that capacity, but in part it can be said that it is manipulated, I remember that in 2017 many traders or well many investors entered the market through bitfinex through pure shorts, and the idea was to take the btc from the weak hands when they panicked, because they would sell out of pure panic, it worked a lot for them, however I have not seen that movement until now.
The price of Bitcoin haven't been since it became a digital currency have been variable and so many things have contributed to the change of price of Bitcoin over the years of which most of them are manipulated by big investors. One of their popular manipulation strategies is to cause FUD among investors of the coin, so they can either buy or sell in large quantities and make huge profits at the end.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Jating on October 08, 2024, 12:57:19 AM
I think the price of BTC is manipulated sometimes, because for bitcoin to move many billions of dollars are needed to take a direction and the truth is very few people in the world have that capacity, but in part it can be said that it is manipulated, I remember that in 2017 many traders or well many investors entered the market through bitfinex through pure shorts, and the idea was to take the btc from the weak hands when they panicked, because they would sell out of pure panic, it worked a lot for them, however I have not seen that movement until now.
The price of Bitcoin haven't been since it became a digital currency have been variable and so many things have contributed to the change of price of Bitcoin over the years of which most of them are manipulated by big investors. One of their popular manipulation strategies is to cause FUD among investors of the coin, so they can either buy or sell in large quantities and make huge profits at the end.

But maybe that was in the early days of Bitcoin, but currently, as much as we believed that it can be manipulated, the market is too big already. Maybe in the form of negative news, yeah, maybe it will affect the price.

However, about whales can manipulated the price? it will took several of them in connivance to move the price. And it might take billions of that to really push the market to where they want it to be.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: bitterguy28 on October 08, 2024, 03:28:13 AM
However, about whales can manipulated the price? it will took several of them in connivance to move the price. And it might take billions of that to really push the market to where they want it to be.
i do not think moving big funds necessarily indicates that they are already doing something illegal some of them might be using crypto for businesses and need to buy or sell big funds and when they do the whole market moves and other investors might get fud or be affected by this price movement

some whales are a little more considerate moving their funds in batches and making small transactions with time intervals as to not disrupt the market too much than necessary imo it is not the whales that are so dedicated in controlling the market but those who burn coins
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Primo1760 on October 08, 2024, 04:14:39 AM
It definitely feels like there’s some whale magic at play when Bitcoin jumps like that! 🐋✨ It’s like watching a rollercoaster ride—exciting but a bit nerve-wracking! While positive news can spark a rally, sudden spikes often raise eyebrows about potential manipulation. If you’re DCA-ing, congrats on riding the wave! Just remember to hold on tight; the crypto market loves to keep us guessing! 🎢💰
Investments must be held without worrying or hesitating about investing. DCA method is suitable for investment If one can invest in DCA method then one can get more success in that investment and also one does not have to feel much volatility about the market condition. Of course, a positive news in the market can give rise to a rally, but when that positive news will happen cannot be predicted in advance, but if it can be observed with different media, some action can be taken immediately.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: bayu7adi on October 08, 2024, 05:41:49 AM
But maybe that was in the early days of Bitcoin, but currently, as much as we believed that it can be manipulated, the market is too big already. Maybe in the form of negative news, yeah, maybe it will affect the price.

However, about whales can manipulated the price? it will took several of them in connivance to move the price. And it might take billions of that to really push the market to where they want it to be.
Not everything has to be with their money, they can also take advantage of the existence of big media to help them manipulate the market... yes, I don't think there is small money in the transaction, but what is certain is that it will use money owned by many people and is relatively more economical when viewed from the whales' point of view...

Until now, the market has always reacted to existing news, and rather than manipulating prices with their hands, the best choice is to manipulate our psychology to move prices. We don't know much about their movements, and they have wider access to do things that are beyond our control.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 08, 2024, 06:07:35 PM
Exactly, The DCA method you are using is wise depending on the amount of capital you have at your disposal. It also affords you a chance to purchase gold coins over time, thus avoiding the pressures of trying to identify the right time to invest in the business. Another strategy is the use of profits obtained from your trade to expand the list of coins you own because it’s a systematic way of accumulating a portfolio without necessarily having to donate a lump sum of your money. But positioning yourself for the long term, you stand a better shot at capturing or seeing potential future gains as erratic crypto space more so the market returns are much healthier if looked at in the longer term.

For me the trick to all this is knowing how to wait, because practically everything has to do with the patience you have , so in view of what can be done it is simple, the DCA method is the Easiest that someone can follow , but you must have the discipline to have that patience , it is not easy because a person who may suffer from anxiety is Something that they cannot do either , so before doing an activity like this, the person has to know themselves and has to make decisions if they are willing to venture there with the Investment, with everything that this has to do with, only then can they avoid losing money.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: doc on October 08, 2024, 10:52:04 PM
Exactly, The DCA method you are using is wise depending on the amount of capital you have at your disposal. It also affords you a chance to purchase gold coins over time, thus avoiding the pressures of trying to identify the right time to invest in the business. Another strategy is the use of profits obtained from your trade to expand the list of coins you own because it’s a systematic way of accumulating a portfolio without necessarily having to donate a lump sum of your money. But positioning yourself for the long term, you stand a better shot at capturing or seeing potential future gains as erratic crypto space more so the market returns are much healthier if looked at in the longer term.

For me the trick to all this is knowing how to wait, because practically everything has to do with the patience you have , so in view of what can be done it is simple, the DCA method is the Easiest that someone can follow , but you must have the discipline to have that patience , it is not easy because a person who may suffer from anxiety is Something that they cannot do either , so before doing an activity like this, the person has to know themselves and has to make decisions if they are willing to venture there with the Investment, with everything that this has to do with, only then can they avoid losing money.
I agree with you we must be disciplined in investment because this is important, but patience is the most important. Because patience will produce greater profits. The DCA method is the result of patience. Because we collect potential coins in a way to be able to add to our coin coin collection, this is done for a long time.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Gurujebs on October 08, 2024, 11:08:36 PM
I agree with you we must be disciplined in investment because this is important, but patience is the most important. Because patience will produce greater profits. The DCA method is the result of patience. Because we collect potential coins in a way to be able to add to our coin coin collection, this is done for a long time.

If you are going to hold crypto and you don't have discipline to hold and avoid market manipulation, then you will end up been toy. You will never makes any profit from the market because you will always do as they want to you to do. You will buy when they want you to buy and you will sell when they want you to sell and it will be in their favour.

Do DCA if you have extra liquidity down, buy and hold and anytime the market is bullish, that's what old users have been doing that are holding Bitcoin for years, they have been doing that and that's why they are successful today.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: rizqillah on October 08, 2024, 11:11:30 PM
Exactly, The DCA method you are using is wise depending on the amount of capital you have at your disposal. It also affords you a chance to purchase gold coins over time, thus avoiding the pressures of trying to identify the right time to invest in the business. Another strategy is the use of profits obtained from your trade to expand the list of coins you own because it’s a systematic way of accumulating a portfolio without necessarily having to donate a lump sum of your money. But positioning yourself for the long term, you stand a better shot at capturing or seeing potential future gains as erratic crypto space more so the market returns are much healthier if looked at in the longer term.

For me the trick to all this is knowing how to wait, because practically everything has to do with the patience you have , so in view of what can be done it is simple, the DCA method is the Easiest that someone can follow , but you must have the discipline to have that patience , it is not easy because a person who may suffer from anxiety is Something that they cannot do either , so before doing an activity like this, the person has to know themselves and has to make decisions if they are willing to venture there with the Investment, with everything that this has to do with, only then can they avoid losing money.
Waiting requires patience and the DCA method teaches us to wait for our assets to grow by buying gradually. for investors who hold long term also have high patience with free capital, because patience will be tested when we are faced with needs.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: pieppiep on October 09, 2024, 07:57:39 AM
Exactly, The DCA method you are using is wise depending on the amount of capital you have at your disposal. It also affords you a chance to purchase gold coins over time, thus avoiding the pressures of trying to identify the right time to invest in the business. Another strategy is the use of profits obtained from your trade to expand the list of coins you own because it’s a systematic way of accumulating a portfolio without necessarily having to donate a lump sum of your money. But positioning yourself for the long term, you stand a better shot at capturing or seeing potential future gains as erratic crypto space more so the market returns are much healthier if looked at in the longer term.

For me the trick to all this is knowing how to wait, because practically everything has to do with the patience you have , so in view of what can be done it is simple, the DCA method is the Easiest that someone can follow , but you must have the discipline to have that patience , it is not easy because a person who may suffer from anxiety is Something that they cannot do either , so before doing an activity like this, the person has to know themselves and has to make decisions if they are willing to venture there with the Investment, with everything that this has to do with, only then can they avoid losing money.
Waiting requires patience and the DCA method teaches us to wait for our assets to grow by buying gradually. for investors who hold long term also have high patience with free capital, because patience will be tested when we are faced with needs.
Agreed, Patience in investing is also a function of emotional intelligence as well as maintaining discipline. When prices drop low the investors find it wise to sell and avoid prospective loss but by following the method of DCA alongside long term perspective the investors do not change the laid down strategies. It is also good to think of money in terms of planning: seed money, savings money, and emergency money, so you don’t need to sell your stocks or other investments at the wrong time. Consequently, DCA can be a very useful approach to accumulating assets gradually, and to being better prepared for challenges in the market.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: MUGNIA on October 09, 2024, 02:02:14 PM
I think the price of BTC is manipulated sometimes, because for bitcoin to move many billions of dollars are needed to take a direction and the truth is very few people in the world have that capacity, but in part it can be said that it is manipulated, I remember that in 2017 many traders or well many investors entered the market through bitfinex through pure shorts, and the idea was to take the btc from the weak hands when they panicked, because they would sell out of pure panic, it worked a lot for them, however I have not seen that movement until now.

I think that currently there are many BTC holders who can read the situation so that the market goes down so they compete to buy BTC even if it's only a few cents, weak hand owners are currently very rare to find, because they believe that BTC will go back up even though they don't know for sure when there will be a movement towards the moon again
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: KryptoBull on October 09, 2024, 02:30:14 PM
Waiting requires patience and the DCA method teaches us to wait for our assets to grow by buying gradually. for investors who hold long term also have high patience with free capital, because patience will be tested when we are faced with needs.
I also believe that DCA is the optimal strategy for newbies to invest in BTC. Macro or technical analysis can be overly complex for most, but we all have the same amount of time. Whales may manipulate BTC, but in the long term, BTC price consistently rises, and long-term investors using DCA will profit.

With the recent introduction of BTC-related products like spot ETFs, many argue that BTC price has become more independent in its fluctuations. However, I believe this is still not the case as BTC price can still easily swing by a few dozen percent in a month.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 09, 2024, 02:58:47 PM
Waiting requires patience and the DCA method teaches us to wait for our assets to grow by buying gradually. for investors who hold long term also have high patience with free capital, because patience will be tested when we are faced with needs.
I also believe that DCA is the optimal strategy for newbies to invest in BTC. Macro or technical analysis can be overly complex for most, but we all have the same amount of time. Whales may manipulate BTC, but in the long term, BTC price consistently rises, and long-term investors using DCA will profit.

With the recent introduction of BTC-related products like spot ETFs, many argue that BTC price has become more independent in its fluctuations. However, I believe this is still not the case as BTC price can still easily swing by a few dozen percent in a month.
Well, unfortunately, what you and I believe may likely not be the reality, when the bitcoin spot ETF was approved, I guess that was supposed to act as a message to the crypto community that the government have taken notice of bitcoin and have possibly added it to their list of investible assets, and one thing that is very common with all governments around the world is that, they like to control the price of assets, especially the ones they have invested in.

Now, I am not saying that the government are controlling the price  of bitcoin, which in other words is known as manipulation, but you and I know it's very possible and we can't entirely rule out the possibility looking at how stagnant bitcoin price became after the approval of the spot ETF and the short rise we saw..
Did you notice that ETH didnt make any upward move after it's ETF was approved?
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: vegasus on October 09, 2024, 11:40:41 PM
I also believe that DCA is the optimal strategy for newbies to invest in BTC. Macro or technical analysis can be overly complex for most, but we all have the same amount of time. Whales may manipulate BTC, but in the long term, BTC price consistently rises, and long-term investors using DCA will profit.
Yes indeed, DCA is the most appropriate choice for me personally and especially for beginners to avoid the risk of losing much more. Yes, if it can actually make our assets even more threatened if we do not consider saving more.

DCA can at least also help us to increase our investment asset accumulation but in crypto with DCA optimization. However, if you force trading, then yes we must be able to learn analysis techniques which I think are also very complex and difficult to understand and teach.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: nakmantu99 on October 09, 2024, 11:46:39 PM
I also believe that DCA is the optimal strategy for newbies to invest in BTC. Macro or technical analysis can be overly complex for most, but we all have the same amount of time. Whales may manipulate BTC, but in the long term, BTC price consistently rises, and long-term investors using DCA will profit.
Yes indeed, DCA is the most appropriate choice for me personally and especially for beginners to avoid the risk of losing much more. Yes, if it can actually make our assets even more threatened if we do not consider saving more.

DCA can at least also help us to increase our investment asset accumulation but in crypto with DCA optimization. However, if you force trading, then yes we must be able to learn analysis techniques which I think are also very complex and difficult to understand and teach.
DCA also suits me, because I also do it and it is an effective way to increase the number of crypto assets by buying potential coins gradually, little by little because of the limited funds we have.
Trading can be done by learning and starting to practice in order to have knowledge and skills.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: pieppiep on October 10, 2024, 05:01:54 AM
I also believe that DCA is the optimal strategy for newbies to invest in BTC. Macro or technical analysis can be overly complex for most, but we all have the same amount of time. Whales may manipulate BTC, but in the long term, BTC price consistently rises, and long-term investors using DCA will profit.
Yes indeed, DCA is the most appropriate choice for me personally and especially for beginners to avoid the risk of losing much more. Yes, if it can actually make our assets even more threatened if we do not consider saving more.

DCA can at least also help us to increase our investment asset accumulation but in crypto with DCA optimization. However, if you force trading, then yes we must be able to learn analysis techniques which I think are also very complex and difficult to understand and teach.
DCA also suits me, because I also do it and it is an effective way to increase the number of crypto assets by buying potential coins gradually, little by little because of the limited funds we have.
Trading can be done by learning and starting to practice in order to have knowledge and skills.
Well, DCA strategy is helpful for saving money and acquiring assets step by step, there are some disadvantages in it. Thus, DCA is not always the best strategy depending on the structure and fluctuations of specific markets, provided that over the long term the prices of the specific asset are continuing to fall. In this case, DCA may lead to acquirement at other inferior price points. Moreover, the accumulation of such capital is not quick to bring in revenues if the invested asset remains stagnant for awhile.

Also thinking in terms of a mixed type, most likely, turns out to be a more suitable option. That said, we can keep applying DCA to simple technical analysis to try to identify better levels to enter, for example, when the asset is near a support level. This makes it possible for us to get the advantages of DCA while at the same time being able to form an extensive response to the market price fluctuations. With this, we can be wiser in deploying scarce capital and enhance returns on the highly volatile and dynamic market of crypto.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: doc on October 10, 2024, 06:58:18 AM

Well, DCA strategy is helpful for saving money and acquiring assets step by step, there are some disadvantages in it. Thus, DCA is not always the best strategy depending on the structure and fluctuations of specific markets, provided that over the long term the prices of the specific asset are continuing to fall. In this case, DCA may lead to acquirement at other inferior price points. Moreover, the accumulation of such capital is not quick to bring in revenues if the invested asset remains stagnant for awhile.

Also thinking in terms of a mixed type, most likely, turns out to be a more suitable option. That said, we can keep applying DCA to simple technical analysis to try to identify better levels to enter, for example, when the asset is near a support level. This makes it possible for us to get the advantages of DCA while at the same time being able to form an extensive response to the market price fluctuations. With this, we can be wiser in deploying scarce capital and enhance returns on the highly volatile and dynamic market of crypto.
The most appropriate DCA is done 1-2 years ago during the bearish season because we will get a lower price because the market conditions are still bearish. For now the price is high but the DCA method is still relevant because the bullish season will occur next year. so the possibility of getting profit is still there if we make a purchase now.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: pieppiep on October 11, 2024, 11:40:41 PM

Well, DCA strategy is helpful for saving money and acquiring assets step by step, there are some disadvantages in it. Thus, DCA is not always the best strategy depending on the structure and fluctuations of specific markets, provided that over the long term the prices of the specific asset are continuing to fall. In this case, DCA may lead to acquirement at other inferior price points. Moreover, the accumulation of such capital is not quick to bring in revenues if the invested asset remains stagnant for awhile.

Also thinking in terms of a mixed type, most likely, turns out to be a more suitable option. That said, we can keep applying DCA to simple technical analysis to try to identify better levels to enter, for example, when the asset is near a support level. This makes it possible for us to get the advantages of DCA while at the same time being able to form an extensive response to the market price fluctuations. With this, we can be wiser in deploying scarce capital and enhance returns on the highly volatile and dynamic market of crypto.
The most appropriate DCA is done 1-2 years ago during the bearish season because we will get a lower price because the market conditions are still bearish. For now the price is high but the DCA method is still relevant because the bullish season will occur next year. so the possibility of getting profit is still there if we make a purchase now.
There are a number of factors that should be taken into consideration while defining a particular trading plan, personality or preferences being among them. Actually, short term trading can be quite rewarding, especially if one feels safe and comfortable with risk and has time to engage himself in trading. But in case, if one does not have ample time or lacks sufficient knowledge about how to go about with trading, the best way to go would be Investing for the long term. This gives the chance to increase profits step by step without constantly paying attention to competitors. However, on the one hand, short-term trading and, on the other hand, long-term investment involve quantifiable risks and good time division depending on the personal situation and needs.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: nakmantu99 on October 12, 2024, 01:45:05 PM

There are a number of factors that should be taken into consideration while defining a particular trading plan, personality or preferences being among them. Actually, short term trading can be quite rewarding, especially if one feels safe and comfortable with risk and has time to engage himself in trading. But in case, if one does not have ample time or lacks sufficient knowledge about how to go about with trading, the best way to go would be Investing for the long term. This gives the chance to increase profits step by step without constantly paying attention to competitors. However, on the one hand, short-term trading and, on the other hand, long-term investment involve quantifiable risks and good time division depending on the personal situation and needs.
Long-term investing is always a good choice for those who are busy in the real world so they can't trade, because trading requires focus by always monitoring the market, making analysis and this requires good experience and knowledge. many people prefer to hold because they don't have the knowledge and experience in trading, so as you said, they need comfort in trading.
So if you feel comfortable with trading, we can choose that, but if we don't have time to do it, being a holder is also a good choice.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: summonerrk on October 12, 2024, 10:07:01 PM
It looks like the crowd is now unconsciously pushing the Bitcoin price up, because everyone knew in advance that UPtober is a month of growth and profit. And you must agree that such crowd warming up is very similar to mass manipulation, albeit unconscious. Therefore, I believe that the market is now manipulating itself.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: MRY on October 13, 2024, 07:48:10 AM

There are a number of factors that should be taken into consideration while defining a particular trading plan, personality or preferences being among them. Actually, short term trading can be quite rewarding, especially if one feels safe and comfortable with risk and has time to engage himself in trading. But in case, if one does not have ample time or lacks sufficient knowledge about how to go about with trading, the best way to go would be Investing for the long term. This gives the chance to increase profits step by step without constantly paying attention to competitors. However, on the one hand, short-term trading and, on the other hand, long-term investment involve quantifiable risks and good time division depending on the personal situation and needs.
Long-term investing is always a good choice for those who are busy in the real world so they can't trade, because trading requires focus by always monitoring the market, making analysis and this requires good experience and knowledge. many people prefer to hold because they don't have the knowledge and experience in trading, so as you said, they need comfort in trading.
So if you feel comfortable with trading, we can choose that, but if we don't have time to do it, being a holder is also a good choice.
Well, For these who lack time or experience for frequent operations on the stock market and choosing a holding strategy is right for them. They can get out of the anxiety of having to stay abreast of markets and having to make fast decisions that often stem out of emotions. This strategy also avails a chance to make a call on the potential for appreciation of the assets in the long run without coming across daily volatility in prices. But it is still recommended to pay a lot of attention to the analysis and be aware of the basic fundamentals of the assets which are invested in order to base a decision to hold on strong long-term perspectives. For those who wish to engage in trading they can gradually learn it as one invests while building a long-term portfolio so that both cannot be unbalanced according to one’s preference or necessity.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 14, 2024, 05:30:45 PM
I agree with you we must be disciplined in investment because this is important, but patience is the most important. Because patience will produce greater profits. The DCA method is the result of patience. Because we collect potential coins in a way to be able to add to our coin coin collection, this is done for a long time.

I am a person who finds it difficult to be patient, but I have learned that in bitcoin technology and everything that has to do with crypto sometimes you have to be very patient in order to achieve benefits, but the only way I learned is when things happened to me, for example one day I invested and because I was in a hurry, I withdrew the money and about an hour after withdrawing my money, the bitcoin went up in price, and obviously I had lost and that was something that made me angry but with myself, so that was the way I learned that sometimes with haste nothing productive is achieved.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Report on October 15, 2024, 08:06:09 PM
It looks like the crowd is now unconsciously pushing the Bitcoin price up, because everyone knew in advance that UPtober is a month of growth and profit. And you must agree that such crowd warming up is very similar to mass manipulation, albeit unconscious. Therefore, I believe that the market is now manipulating itself.
October is the same as Uptober, so you think it's the month to increase the price of Bitcoin in various markets, right?
And what do you mean by the market manipulating itself? Does Bitcoin already have its own to manipulate or what do you think?
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: 0t3p0t on October 15, 2024, 08:38:12 PM
It looks like the crowd is now unconsciously pushing the Bitcoin price up, because everyone knew in advance that UPtober is a month of growth and profit. And you must agree that such crowd warming up is very similar to mass manipulation, albeit unconscious. Therefore, I believe that the market is now manipulating itself.
October is the same as Uptober, so you think it's the month to increase the price of Bitcoin in various markets, right?
And what do you mean by the market manipulating itself? Does Bitcoin already have its own to manipulate or what do you think?
Maybe he is referring to something like Butcoin itself attracted more investors this time because they anticipate the upcoming bullrun that might happen anytime soon and investors doesn't wanna miss this opportunity just like what had happened way back in 2017 when price surge at year end.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 15, 2024, 10:03:28 PM
It looks like the crowd is now unconsciously pushing the Bitcoin price up, because everyone knew in advance that UPtober is a month of growth and profit. And you must agree that such crowd warming up is very similar to mass manipulation, albeit unconscious. Therefore, I believe that the market is now manipulating itself.
Lolz 😂, you are very funny man, how can the market manipulate itself? Does the market now have a mind and abilities of its own? I believe not.
If you think current crypto currency market is manipulated,, it's people, traders and investors doing that, the market can never manipulate itself.

And let me also say that what you said about uptober or October (whichever one choose to refer to it as) is wrong. There is no where it is written and stamped that the market will always go up in the month of October, every one referring to this month as uptober - assuming the price of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies to rise, is only speculating, there is no assurance or guarantee that that will happen In this month.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: bayu7adi on October 16, 2024, 08:29:39 AM
It looks like the crowd is now unconsciously pushing the Bitcoin price up, because everyone knew in advance that UPtober is a month of growth and profit. And you must agree that such crowd warming up is very similar to mass manipulation, albeit unconscious. Therefore, I believe that the market is now manipulating itself.
Lolz 😂, you are very funny man, how can the market manipulate itself? Does the market now have a mind and abilities of its own? I believe not.
If you think current crypto currency market is manipulated,, it's people, traders and investors doing that, the market can never manipulate itself.

And let me also say that what you said about uptober or October (whichever one choose to refer to it as) is wrong. There is no where it is written and stamped that the market will always go up in the month of October, every one referring to this month as uptober - assuming the price of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies to rise, is only speculating, there is no assurance or guarantee that that will happen In this month.
I see many people referring to the Uptober phenomenon or more clearly the bullish moment when October is from the Bitcoin Monthly Return report circulating on the internet... yes, even though from the data from 2013 until now there have been 2x Octobers that experienced a correction period and did not produce any gain... the same as February

however, several times ATHs were formed more often at the end of the year, and it was closer and could be prepared since October

this does not make sense, and maybe this analysis only uses feelings, we consider it something fun hahaha
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Bobcrypto on October 16, 2024, 10:31:25 AM
Not barely 48hrs the price of bitcoin moves from 52k to 60k like I was mean to asked if there is any positive news that gives rise to this sudden increase, though wasn't expecting bitcoin price to remain stationary but they way it moves seriously increased without any delay or is there any whale that came to buy at huge? Please if there is any news that relates to sudden increase don't hesitate to share here.
Those who are doing DCA have also made some cool cash in between this shortest time frame as the price seems to be manipulative.

Experts on crypto analysis, that is, a good TA/FA analysts or even some experienced traders will also explain this situation with charts that the market may experience a bounce, though there could be a DCB (Dead cat bounce), or clean bounce due to some heavy accumulation at certain periods.
As a matter of facts, Bitcoin can make a surprise moves especially when some whale take a long position, and most times there may not be any positive news or speculations to push prices up but btc price can move based on it's circle, when prices touches the bottom at certain times.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: KryptoBull on October 16, 2024, 10:34:05 AM
It looks like the crowd is now unconsciously pushing the Bitcoin price up, because everyone knew in advance that UPtober is a month of growth and profit. And you must agree that such crowd warming up is very similar to mass manipulation, albeit unconscious. Therefore, I believe that the market is now manipulating itself.
The market cannot manipulate itself, we call that the market cycle and the repetition of history. Analyzing the past is also a crucial part of predicting the future, though I'm not good at it, I only follow the predictions on YouTube :)

I think the FOMO in the October was also created and fueled by the efforts of whales: they had accumulated enough tokens and needed a pump to take profits at a high price! I think they have more pressure than retail investors :)
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Report on October 16, 2024, 03:40:23 PM
It looks like the crowd is now unconsciously pushing the Bitcoin price up, because everyone knew in advance that UPtober is a month of growth and profit. And you must agree that such crowd warming up is very similar to mass manipulation, albeit unconscious. Therefore, I believe that the market is now manipulating itself.
October is the same as Uptober, so you think it's the month to increase the price of Bitcoin in various markets, right?
And what do you mean by the market manipulating itself? Does Bitcoin already have its own to manipulate or what do you think?
Maybe he is referring to something like Butcoin itself attracted more investors this time because they anticipate the upcoming bullrun that might happen anytime soon and investors doesn't wanna miss this opportunity just like what had happened way back in 2017 when price surge at year end.
Many Legendary say that the price will increase by the end of the year and they often say BullRun, if I had known the market since 2017 as you said, maybe I would have prepared my steps to seek profit like other Legendary members. I have to continue discussing like this and quoting each other so that I can know and take the right profit. There is one more burden during this time I have been learning cryptocurrency, namely capital to buy or invest because I noticed that Legendary members seem to find it very easy to spend capital to invest.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on October 16, 2024, 09:14:55 PM
It looks like the crowd is now unconsciously pushing the Bitcoin price up, because everyone knew in advance that UPtober is a month of growth and profit. And you must agree that such crowd warming up is very similar to mass manipulation, albeit unconscious. Therefore, I believe that the market is now manipulating itself.
The market cannot manipulate itself, we call that the market cycle and the repetition of history. Analyzing the past is also a crucial part of predicting the future, though I'm not good at it, I only follow the predictions on YouTube :)

I think the FOMO in the October was also created and fueled by the efforts of whales: they had accumulated enough tokens and needed a pump to take profits at a high price! I think they have more pressure than retail investors :)
If I am not mistakenly now the market has been repeating the same sequence for long now since the start of bitcoin halving and it's a natural phenomenon that often occurs within the cyclic event, and we can't say this is what happened naturally and most investors has looked towards here to make their prediction and often times make their investment through it.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 17, 2024, 03:06:49 PM
being a politician doesn't rhyme with telling the truth[
best course of action is being suspicious of anything a politician says and waiting for them NOT to do what they promissed before being elected
this is valid for all the sides, not only the sides you like the least.
Exactly, that is what we must understand first, however there are some candidates who already make it clear what they are and what they like and what they don't like, but honestly a person like Trump who has always been very focused on finance, with many businesses and talking about BTC at least I do believe him in that sense, but a person who does not have any financial history or books that talk about this, it is more difficult, maybe for people this is not enough, but he has more than... and that is enough, of course he still entered politics and politics is usually corrupt , but you have to give the vote of confidence to someone, but as I have said and repeated only the Americans are the ones who choose, they are the ones who have to be clear because they are the first who would be affected by a good or bad government, whoever it may be.

Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Hisbullah on October 18, 2024, 05:31:50 PM
being a politician doesn't rhyme with telling the truth[
best course of action is being suspicious of anything a politician says and waiting for them NOT to do what they promissed before being elected
this is valid for all the sides, not only the sides you like the least.
Exactly, that is what we must understand first, however there are some candidates who already make it clear what they are and what they like and what they don't like, but honestly a person like Trump who has always been very focused on finance, with many businesses and talking about BTC at least I do believe him in that sense, but a person who does not have any financial history or books that talk about this, it is more difficult, maybe for people this is not enough, but he has more than... and that is enough, of course he still entered politics and politics is usually corrupt , but you have to give the vote of confidence to someone, but as I have said and repeated only the Americans are the ones who choose, they are the ones who have to be clear because they are the first who would be affected by a good or bad government, whoever it may be.
You are right, the US presidential election is just Americans who know what kind of leader they need. because we don't know the conditions there and we are not US citizens.
Trump is very supportive of crypto and the last thing we read, Trump has made transactions with bitcoin, this is a good thing for us crypto investors. but the choice is in their hands, US citizens who have representatives to vote.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 18, 2024, 09:53:40 PM
Waiting requires patience and the DCA method teaches us to wait for our assets to grow by buying gradually. for investors who hold long term also have high patience with free capital, because patience will be tested when we are faced with needs.

You are right, I have seen that sometimes the market can be manipulated, first in 2017 on bitfinex they entered with the shorts, and that was something impressive, now there the DCA method was essential, but the most important thing of all this is that the method applies currently, from now on, because the price has not yet reached the ATH, so for me the opportunity is there and it cannot be wasted, it is up to us to do it, at any time it can be done as long as it is done with the intelligence that the investment requires, despite the possible manipulations that exist in the world.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: dekafee79 on October 18, 2024, 10:10:53 PM


You are right, I have seen that sometimes the market can be manipulated, first in 2017 on bitfinex they entered with the shorts, and that was something impressive, now there the DCA method was essential, but the most important thing of all this is that the method applies currently, from now on, because the price has not yet reached the ATH, so for me the opportunity is there and it cannot be wasted, it is up to us to do it, at any time it can be done as long as it is done with the intelligence that the investment requires, despite the possible manipulations that exist in the world.
Yes, the crypto market is often manipulated and we must remain calm because that's how the crypto market is.
I also use the DCA method because the bullrun is ongoing and the ATH of some coins I hold has not reached ATH yet.
While waiting for the top bullish we can still buy coins with DCA
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 19, 2024, 05:26:06 AM
I think that currently there are many BTC holders who can read the situation so that the market goes down so they compete to buy BTC even if it's only a few cents, weak hand owners are currently very rare to find, because they believe that BTC will go back up even though they don't know for sure when there will be a movement towards the moon again

Yes, well, over time most weak hands have learned that things are like that, from losing and losing so much they have to learn, however there are still many people who make the same mistakes and sell when they shouldn't sell, although I have seen that the news is what influences people the most now, social networks and everything that has to do with information are like that, and that has already been the marking of an era that is very informed and that the news is what they look for the most , that's where everything comes from, Twitter, Instagram , Meta , everything , that's what has made things in the market be like that.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: satpol_PP on October 19, 2024, 04:27:08 PM
I think that currently there are many BTC holders who can read the situation so that the market goes down so they compete to buy BTC even if it's only a few cents, weak hand owners are currently very rare to find, because they believe that BTC will go back up even though they don't know for sure when there will be a movement towards the moon again

Yes, well, over time most weak hands have learned that things are like that, from losing and losing so much they have to learn, however there are still many people who make the same mistakes and sell when they shouldn't sell, although I have seen that the news is what influences people the most now, social networks and everything that has to do with information are like that, and that has already been the marking of an era that is very informed and that the news is what they look for the most , that's where everything comes from, Twitter, Instagram , Meta , everything , that's what has made things in the market be like that.
In investing we must learn from mistakes or losses, it will be a bad experience in our lives and we must learn by changing strategies and practicing skills in making analysis and predictions. a trader also often experiences defeat when they start learning trading and they learn from those mistakes by staying focused and calm changing strategies in order to gain profit.
We must not give up when we experience defeat and make mistakes, we must learn and continue to learn in order to become a professional.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 19, 2024, 04:43:01 PM


You are right, I have seen that sometimes the market can be manipulated, first in 2017 on bitfinex they entered with the shorts, and that was something impressive, now there the DCA method was essential, but the most important thing of all this is that the method applies currently, from now on, because the price has not yet reached the ATH, so for me the opportunity is there and it cannot be wasted, it is up to us to do it, at any time it can be done as long as it is done with the intelligence that the investment requires, despite the possible manipulations that exist in the world.
Yes, the crypto market is often manipulated and we must remain calm because that's how the crypto market is.
I also use the DCA method because the bullrun is ongoing and the ATH of some coins I hold has not reached ATH yet.
While waiting for the top bullish we can still buy coins with DCA
Man, you are funny, if you believe that the crypto market is being manipulated and you don't want to keep calm, what exactly can you or will you do? In the situation where you have no other options available to you but just one, you don't (choose to) on that one option available, you simply accept it because you have no choice but to.

And what I am saying is, for many of us here that believe that the crypto market, or bitcoin is being manipulated, we don't choose to keep calm, we simply keep calm because there is absolutely nothing you or I, or anyone of us can do about it, we simply learn to play along with the big boys, else, we might not get anything at the end of the day.

But that's by the way, for personally, I believe the market is just doing it's thing, whether it's been manipulated or not, what will be, will always be.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: dekafee79 on October 19, 2024, 07:35:40 PM


You are right, I have seen that sometimes the market can be manipulated, first in 2017 on bitfinex they entered with the shorts, and that was something impressive, now there the DCA method was essential, but the most important thing of all this is that the method applies currently, from now on, because the price has not yet reached the ATH, so for me the opportunity is there and it cannot be wasted, it is up to us to do it, at any time it can be done as long as it is done with the intelligence that the investment requires, despite the possible manipulations that exist in the world.
Yes, the crypto market is often manipulated and we must remain calm because that's how the crypto market is.
I also use the DCA method because the bullrun is ongoing and the ATH of some coins I hold has not reached ATH yet.
While waiting for the top bullish we can still buy coins with DCA
Man, you are funny, if you believe that the crypto market is being manipulated and you don't want to keep calm, what exactly can you or will you do? In the situation where you have no other options available to you but just one, you don't (choose to) on that one option available, you simply accept it because you have no choice but to.

And what I am saying is, for many of us here that believe that the crypto market, or bitcoin is being manipulated, we don't choose to keep calm, we simply keep calm because there is absolutely nothing you or I, or anyone of us can do about it, we simply learn to play along with the big boys, else, we might not get anything at the end of the day.

But that's by the way, for personally, I believe the market is just doing it's thing, whether it's been manipulated or not, what will be, will always be.
In my opinion, in every market, both crypto and stocks, of course there are those who play a role as players who manipulate the market, but it is only temporary because it takes a lot of money to do that and the market will return to doing its job.
The calmness that we can do is to follow their game, if we still have capital when the market goes down we buy potential coins but if the market goes up we can decide to sell them.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: KryptoBull on October 20, 2024, 08:26:59 AM
In my opinion, in every market, both crypto and stocks, of course there are those who play a role as players who manipulate the market, but it is only temporary because it takes a lot of money to do that and the market will return to doing its job.
The calmness that we can do is to follow their game, if we still have capital when the market goes down we buy potential coins but if the market goes up we can decide to sell them.
Market makers are a crucial part of the market to ensure liquidity, but they're also dangerous because they have the resources to manipulate the crypto market. I've accepted that the BTC price is being manipulated through media and strong capital flows, and that BTC's rise or fall on the market is often part of their manipulation plan.

Investment funds also have teams that manipulate the market to ensure they profit and distribute dividends to shareholders. Many on-chain analysis groups still track their BTC movement to predict market fluctuations in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: rizqillah on October 20, 2024, 03:14:20 PM

Market makers are a crucial part of the market to ensure liquidity, but they're also dangerous because they have the resources to manipulate the crypto market. I've accepted that the BTC price is being manipulated through media and strong capital flows, and that BTC's rise or fall on the market is often part of their manipulation plan.

Investment funds also have teams that manipulate the market to ensure they profit and distribute dividends to shareholders. Many on-chain analysis groups still track their BTC movement to predict market fluctuations in the coming weeks.
manipulation will always exist in every investment market, and we have also observed that it has been happening for a long time. They are a group of whales who move together with the aim of raising or lowering prices according to their wishes.
As a trader I also observe the daily volume movements of exchanges because sometimes there are movements that are out of the ordinary and seem to be price manipulation, this is just an observation that can also be wrong.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Bobcrypto on October 20, 2024, 03:44:06 PM
Most times the market is controlled by big investors(whales) at their own will, and this situation has been affecting the market demands.
Whales usually send heavy supply of a coins( Btc) at certain times into the market to crash the prevailing price and take a long position with the purpose of earning more. I think that whales are big manipulators of the crypto market and this has been causing a lot of fears and panic sellings. In my opinion, market manipulation is a setbacks, and a big challenge to the crypto community that should be rejected by the community.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Vx1 on October 20, 2024, 03:55:25 PM
Most times the market is controlled by big investors(whales) at their own will, and this situation has been affecting the market demands.
Whales usually send heavy supply of a coins( Btc) at certain times into the market to crash the prevailing price and take a long position with the purpose of earning more. I think that whales are big manipulators of the crypto market and this has been causing a lot of fears and panic sellings. In my opinion, market manipulation is a setbacks, and a big challenge to the crypto community that should be rejected by the community.
That's how the crypto market is, whoever has a lot of money will be able to manipulate market prices. We small traders are sometimes harmed by such actions, while they actually gain huge profits from the event. We must be smart, as much as we can to protect our assets from losses.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 22, 2024, 05:16:47 AM

You are right, the US presidential election is just Americans who know what kind of leader they need. because we don't know the conditions there and we are not US citizens.
Trump is very supportive of crypto and the last thing we read, Trump has made transactions with bitcoin, this is a good thing for us crypto investors. but the choice is in their hands, US citizens who have representatives to vote.

Yes, well at least I have it clear, it's a shame that TRUMP couldn't have my vote, because many see TRUMP as an evil person, but there are things that I have read about him, what he is involved in, well I have discovered that this man only wants the best not only for Americans but for many more , and of course the things that are equivalent to the economy are something that will help a lot, I just hope that he is going to win, from what I have investigated, it is almost about a possible war between good and evil, of course I do not mean that evil is on the other side , but there are many dark things that I have seen and well I hope that the divine interventions of God the Heavenly Father make the best happen.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: rizqillah on October 22, 2024, 06:25:20 PM

You are right, the US presidential election is just Americans who know what kind of leader they need. because we don't know the conditions there and we are not US citizens.
Trump is very supportive of crypto and the last thing we read, Trump has made transactions with bitcoin, this is a good thing for us crypto investors. but the choice is in their hands, US citizens who have representatives to vote.

Yes, well at least I have it clear, it's a shame that TRUMP couldn't have my vote, because many see TRUMP as an evil person, but there are things that I have read about him, what he is involved in, well I have discovered that this man only wants the best not only for Americans but for many more , and of course the things that are equivalent to the economy are something that will help a lot, I just hope that he is going to win, from what I have investigated, it is almost about a possible war between good and evil, of course I do not mean that evil is on the other side , but there are many dark things that I have seen and well I hope that the divine interventions of God the Heavenly Father make the best happen.
Honestly I hope Trump wins so it will have a good impact on crypto because we always hear trump supports crypto. but the choice is in their hands, US citizens and we will see who will win the US presidential election this month.
If trump wins maybe we will see a spike in bitcoin prices, but if kamal wins it is likely that bitcoin prices will drop because market sentiment will look negative.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 28, 2024, 11:17:23 PM
Honestly I hope Trump wins so it will have a good impact on crypto because we always hear trump supports crypto. but the choice is in their hands, US citizens and we will see who will win the US presidential election this month.
If trump wins maybe we will see a spike in bitcoin prices, but if kamal wins it is likely that bitcoin prices will drop because market sentiment will look negative.

Without a doubt things are like that, I don't know if people now in the USA think that way or in the most intelligent way , I include myself a lot towards Trump because I have seen that many of Kamala's policies do not disgust me, in addition they Associate her with political tendencies that are focused towards communism and socialism and the truth is that the worst rot that exists in the world such ideology, then in view of this if they are comparing them with that ideology I would be  Careful if I were an American citizen , falling into those systems of Government is the worst thing that could happen to the world
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Axcel777 on October 29, 2024, 12:54:08 PM
Honestly I hope Trump wins so it will have a good impact on crypto because we always hear trump supports crypto. but the choice is in their hands, US citizens and we will see who will win the US presidential election this month.
If trump wins maybe we will see a spike in bitcoin prices, but if kamal wins it is likely that bitcoin prices will drop because market sentiment will look negative.

Without a doubt things are like that, I don't know if people now in the USA think that way or in the most intelligent way , I include myself a lot towards Trump because I have seen that many of Kamala's policies do not disgust me, in addition they Associate her with political tendencies that are focused towards communism and socialism and the truth is that the worst rot that exists in the world such ideology, then in view of this if they are comparing them with that ideology I would be  Careful if I were an American citizen , falling into those systems of Government is the worst thing that could happen to the world
The reality of the current political conflicts can tell that we possess the basic understanding of each contender’s policies affecting the world significantly. The ideologies capable of constraining freedom and opportunities then have to be looked at since their uses are likely to spread widely. Thus realizing this we sincerely believe that the public will elect leaders that advance progress and freedom for a proper tomorrow.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Gurujebs on October 29, 2024, 02:49:40 PM
That's how the crypto market is, whoever has a lot of money will be able to manipulate market prices. We small traders are sometimes harmed by such actions, while they actually gain huge profits from the event. We must be smart, as much as we can to protect our assets from losses.

I'm not sure about Bitcoin though, even in the last bull run Bitcoin market wasn't that manipulated but influence due to fomo and right now we are back to where it's influence because of politicians which is mainly due to what is happening around the US election. Trump is the one right now manipulating/influencing people to fomo into Bitcoin.

What I can say is that majority of altcoinsin the market are higher manipulated, corrupted and self interest by sine group of people who only care about their own profits but definitely not Bitcoin but ur perhaps in the future Bitcoin ever lose value, it can be manipulated because of the market cap.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Axcel777 on October 30, 2024, 01:31:50 AM
That's how the crypto market is, whoever has a lot of money will be able to manipulate market prices. We small traders are sometimes harmed by such actions, while they actually gain huge profits from the event. We must be smart, as much as we can to protect our assets from losses.

I'm not sure about Bitcoin though, even in the last bull run Bitcoin market wasn't that manipulated but influence due to fomo and right now we are back to where it's influence because of politicians which is mainly due to what is happening around the US election. Trump is the one right now manipulating/influencing people to fomo into Bitcoin.

What I can say is that majority of altcoinsin the market are higher manipulated, corrupted and self interest by sine group of people who only care about their own profits but definitely not Bitcoin but ur perhaps in the future Bitcoin ever lose value, it can be manipulated because of the market cap.
Yes, the Bitcoin does have different fundamental preconditions compared to other altcoins, and, in majority of cases, the effect it has on the market was not manipulation based but rather fomo or sentiment. Now, political involvement is starting to happen especially with the US election just around the corner and Trump helping to push Bitcoins into the forefront again.

On the other side, majority of altcoins are more prone to manipulated price activity due to the vested interests for pumping and dumping particular coins. However, Bitcoin still continues to be at the top among other digital assets. Nonetheless, as the market cap enlarges, the possibility of manipulation also rises, so one must keep an eye on the market situation and whether key drivers governing the Bitcoin market will help analyze where its cost is going in the future.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: dekafee79 on November 02, 2024, 10:03:39 PM
That's how the crypto market is, whoever has a lot of money will be able to manipulate market prices. We small traders are sometimes harmed by such actions, while they actually gain huge profits from the event. We must be smart, as much as we can to protect our assets from losses.

I'm not sure about Bitcoin though, even in the last bull run Bitcoin market wasn't that manipulated but influence due to fomo and right now we are back to where it's influence because of politicians which is mainly due to what is happening around the US election. Trump is the one right now manipulating/influencing people to fomo into Bitcoin.

What I can say is that majority of altcoinsin the market are higher manipulated, corrupted and self interest by sine group of people who only care about their own profits but definitely not Bitcoin but ur perhaps in the future Bitcoin ever lose value, it can be manipulated because of the market cap.
Actually whales can manipulate the crypto market, but it takes a lot of money to do it. and usually it happens temporarily and the market will return to its role, we know the factors that determine prices are demand and supply.
In the crypto market we should follow the market trend even though it is manipulative, we can buy when the market is down and sell it when it goes up.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: lombok on November 03, 2024, 04:19:40 PM
That's how the crypto market is, whoever has a lot of money will be able to manipulate market prices. We small traders are sometimes harmed by such actions, while they actually gain huge profits from the event. We must be smart, as much as we can to protect our assets from losses.

I'm not sure about Bitcoin though, even in the last bull run Bitcoin market wasn't that manipulated but influence due to fomo and right now we are back to where it's influence because of politicians which is mainly due to what is happening around the US election. Trump is the one right now manipulating/influencing people to fomo into Bitcoin.

What I can say is that majority of altcoinsin the market are higher manipulated, corrupted and self interest by sine group of people who only care about their own profits but definitely not Bitcoin but ur perhaps in the future Bitcoin ever lose value, it can be manipulated because of the market cap.
Actually whales can manipulate the crypto market, but it takes a lot of money to do it. and usually it happens temporarily and the market will return to its role, we know the factors that determine prices are demand and supply.
In the crypto market we should follow the market trend even though it is manipulative, we can buy when the market is down and sell it when it goes up.
The crypto market has a tempo that can be marked as unexpectedly dynamics, where price-making factors are mainly demand and supply. Despite the fact that some special interest groups may exploit the situation to their advantage, the kind of market tends to self-adjust. It is equally important for us to learn here that patience as well as calm approach is a virtue when it comes to prices. Thus, posted in such a way, we get the understanding that in every change of the price there is a possibility to set a cautious investment step.

We are able to follow streams of the market better and can advantage of the moment better. Having a stand when the price is low and then dumping it when the price is high leaves us with the room of making the much needed achievement. It is not only a profit-driven process but also a way to gain better insight into the consequently shifting tempo of the market place. In this way, we do not only conform to the trend but advance better perception of the complete crypto market.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: SmartGold01 on November 03, 2024, 05:30:57 PM
Actually whales can manipulate the crypto market, but it takes a lot of money to do it. and usually it happens temporarily and the market will return to its role, we know the factors that determine prices are demand and supply.
In the crypto market we should follow the market trend even though it is manipulative, we can buy when the market is down and sell it when it goes up.
This is right steps to follow because if someone doesn't follow the market trend he or she might ends up losing big time because they didn't obey the market whereby trying to trade with the market trend. It's also true that when whales want to manipulate the market they does that only to those assets they have much over, like some altcoin which they filled up in their bags most times they can swing the market and let people especially the small investor panicked to sell of their holdings.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 04, 2024, 01:25:51 AM
we sincerely believe that the public will elect leaders that advance progress and freedom for a proper tomorrow.

The people are almost always wrong, and I have Realized that many times, so we should not trust that, governments and the things they intend should never be trusted, I think that is one of the daring things to consider and that the price of debt is not affected, in this case, with the US elections it will be something that can be very difficult to predict, because on the one hand we have a Kamla Harris who they already call a communist and a Trump who is undoubtedly enthusiastic about btc , so I think Trump will gain a lot more community if the most intelligent bitcoineers in the USA vote for him
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: ghostbuster on November 04, 2024, 09:12:28 AM
we sincerely believe that the public will elect leaders that advance progress and freedom for a proper tomorrow.

The people are almost always wrong, and I have Realized that many times, so we should not trust that, governments and the things they intend should never be trusted, I think that is one of the daring things to consider and that the price of debt is not affected, in this case, with the US elections it will be something that can be very difficult to predict, because on the one hand we have a Kamla Harris who they already call a communist and a Trump who is undoubtedly enthusiastic about btc , so I think Trump will gain a lot more community if the most intelligent bitcoineers in the USA vote for him


Crypto lovers in the US should support Trump, because he is a candidate who supports bitcoin and we read in the news that he has declared that he will support bitcoin if elected as US president.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: legend45 on November 07, 2024, 06:50:53 PM
we sincerely believe that the public will elect leaders that advance progress and freedom for a proper tomorrow.

The people are almost always wrong, and I have Realized that many times, so we should not trust that, governments and the things they intend should never be trusted, I think that is one of the daring things to consider and that the price of debt is not affected, in this case, with the US elections it will be something that can be very difficult to predict, because on the one hand we have a Kamla Harris who they already call a communist and a Trump who is undoubtedly enthusiastic about btc , so I think Trump will gain a lot more community if the most intelligent bitcoineers in the USA vote for him
The US election is over dude, and trump has won the election this time. So we better focus on trading because the market is good for trading. Bitcoin has reached a new ATH at $76K and the price of bitcoin is likely to go up again, I will do scalping to get maximum profit in trading.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: enwi on November 08, 2024, 06:26:02 AM
The US election is over dude, and trump has won the election this time. So we better focus on trading because the market is good for trading. Bitcoin has reached a new ATH at $76K and the price of bitcoin is likely to go up again, I will do scalping to get maximum profit in trading.
Since we have clear results of the US elections informing the market conditions it is time for us to trade. It is good news that bitcoin has reached maximum price for this particular month since bitcoin prices have continued to soar. This momentum is over and with the goal of voting Trump set in practice the next move in Bitcoin price will be a crash. But if you decide to scalping when the price is this high I think that is very risky.
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: Madmax789 on November 09, 2024, 09:05:16 AM
There is evidence that the price of Bitcoin has been subject to occasional manipulation. Due to its relatively small market size and lack of consistent global regulation compared to traditional assets, Bitcoin can be more vulnerable to manipulation. Large holders of bitcoins, known as "whales", can significantly influence the market If a whale sells or buys a large amount of Bitcoin at once, it can cause the price to rise or fall, which in turn can affect market sentiment and other investors to followcan manageThese large transactions can affect liquidity and create volatility. Similar to the tactics seen in the stock market, "pump and dump" schemes can occur in Bitcoin, especially on smaller exchanges with less liquidity. This involves artificially inflating the price through coordinated buying and then selling at the top, resulting in late losses. Public figures and influencers sometimes make statements or announcements that can dramatically affect the price of Bitcoin. Elon Musk's tweets about Bitcoin, for example, have led to significant price movements. Although not strictly manipulation, such effects can create sudden and often temporary market volatility.

To protect against manipulation, it is essential for investors to be informed, use reputable exchanges and avoid high leverage. Regulatory progress may reduce some of these issues over time, especially as governments and financial authorities seek to stabilize and regulate the crypto market
Title: Re: is bitcoin price being manipulated?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 12, 2024, 01:56:52 AM

The US election is over dude, and trump has won the election this time. So we better focus on trading because the market is good for trading. Bitcoin has reached a new ATH at $76K and the price of bitcoin is likely to go up again, I will do scalping to get maximum profit in trading.

You are absolutely right, now the price of BTC is a fact that will be higher and higher, I think the best thing is that Trump has won, now things will be much better, the world will also improve because obviously things regarding wars will be solved little by little because Trump already said so and this is very good, with tranquility and peace in the world all markets will do wonderfully and this undoubtedly includes bitcoin, now that we already have this, it is likely that each upward operation will occur, but of course with great care.