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Title: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: libert19 on August 27, 2024, 04:09:34 AM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: target on August 27, 2024, 06:49:29 AM

They're all the same in a sense, we can't just say those long term holders don't want profit. Thry may say they are here in crypto for the technology. We have heard it before but when bear market comes we all have to drop everything. I believe there are few who will hold for whatever their reason, maybe they expect thenprice to continue to go up.

This long term holders I guess are those who really hold for a long time since the inception might be the ones here for the blockchain technology to manifest.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Azharul on August 27, 2024, 08:34:32 AM
We know that  long term traders, investors and holders is also the best profitable for crypto-currency market. Because we know if we will understand in crypto market and start long term trade i think that i will be success. In that's time if we want to start to investment and understand for investment, i believe that it will be success for me. So i think that understanding in cryptocurrency market is very important. Because we know that every traders or investors was loss there profit for misunderstanding in crypto market.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: _act_ on August 27, 2024, 09:19:54 AM
Long term traders are swing traders. They can buy a coin and not sell it until it is 2 weeks or more. But long term traders should see the coins in less than 2 or 3 months. If it is getting more than that, it is becoming short term holder.

Investors can hodl. It means that investors are holders. Holders invest in a coin for a long time without selling. They can hold the coin for 6 months, a year, 2 years or more.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: doc on August 27, 2024, 02:58:57 PM
Long term traders are swing traders. They can buy a coin and not sell it until it is 2 weeks or more. But long term traders should see the coins in less than 2 or 3 months. If it is getting more than that, it is becoming short term holder.

Investors can hodl. It means that investors are holders. Holders invest in a coin for a long time without selling. They can hold the coin for 6 months, a year, 2 years or more.
As a long-term trader or short-term holder, there is actually no explanation that regulates and differentiates it because for me for investment, whatever people say the most important thing is profit. I also do short-term trading, but when my coins dump I will hold them. And it can be said that at that time I was no longer a trader but a holder.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Hatchy on August 27, 2024, 09:13:53 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
They are not totally the same but relates to the financial marke. In the financial market, there are two types of investors. Longterm and short term. Long-term investors put their money into opportunities that are likely to make good profits over a long time. These investors are like the movers of the market, driving it forward. They buy large portions of the market, allowing smaller traders to buy smaller portions, which adds liquidity to their trades.
In cryptocurrency, a "holder" is someone who buys a coin or token and holds onto it for a long time without selling or trading it. They believe the coin has good potential to make a profit in the future.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Captain Corporate on August 27, 2024, 10:22:55 PM
You don't just pick one and go with it. First of all, I don't really know much difference between "investor" and "holder" but in general, you don't have to just pick one. I hold long term but I also trade a bit at the same time, not with all of my money, most of my money is on long term holding, but that doesn't mean I use a bit of it on trading, that has to be something to care. Which is why I believe that the best thing to do right now would be just focusing on how to get better results, and whatever method you use to get there is ok, there isn't really anything wrong with that, just be ok with it.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: |MINER| on August 28, 2024, 12:27:18 AM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
The titles three words you have mentioned those are the similarities and in some cases those can be same.
Like I will say the long-term traders and holders those are same. But in case of investor I will say that all trading holding are included under the investment because if you want make short-term trading here at first you have to invest some fund to start.

So we can Find some similarities on the trio but in the mean time those are not the same.
 
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: rdluffy on August 28, 2024, 02:21:09 AM
Long term traders are swing traders. They can buy a coin and not sell it until it is 2 weeks or more. But long term traders should see the coins in less than 2 or 3 months. If it is getting more than that, it is becoming short term holder.

Investors can hodl. It means that investors are holders. Holders invest in a coin for a long time without selling. They can hold the coin for 6 months, a year, 2 years or more.

Every now and then I do a swing trade as you mentioned, when I find a good opportunity in a more significant fall of BTC or ETH (or even SOL)

But in general I consider myself a hodler, since I have a bit of BTC and ETH since 2017 and I've never sold them  8)
I separate them into different wallets, and as I said, the swing trade is for one case or another when I have USD and BTC drops a lot in a day, for example a few weeks ago I bought some satoshis for 60k range and sold in 66k, 10% of profits
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: bounceback on August 28, 2024, 05:25:35 AM
I have out trading from longer term target after getting frustrated some coins holding suddenly get scam and delist on exchange, right now my trading target is short term but some time have to be investor after my coins trading price dropping significant. I adapt trading based on how market condition, if keep growing up I will prefer for short term trading but after price down must be long term trading or become investor.
Regarding market condition, very difficult for predicting will be short term or long term trader because market easily pump and dump in short term make us have difficult choose after investing.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: B.Trader on August 28, 2024, 06:28:23 AM

They're all the same in a sense, we can't just say those long term holders don't want profit. Thry may say they are here in crypto for the technology. We have heard it before but when bear market comes we all have to drop everything. I believe there are few who will hold for whatever their reason, maybe they expect thenprice to continue to go up.

This long term holders I guess are those who really hold for a long time since the inception might be the ones here for the blockchain technology to manifest.
However, some long-term holders are genuinely committed to the technology and its potential impact, regardless of market fluctuations. These individuals may have a deep belief in the long-term vision of blockchain and cryptocurrencies, viewing their holdings as a long-term investment rather than a short-term gain. For them, the ups and downs of the market are part of the journey, and they might be willing to hold through tough times, expecting the value to rise over time as adoption and innovation continue.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: TomPluz on August 28, 2024, 09:06:10 AM

When a person is into long-term trading, he can also be an investor and therefore a holder. These investors and holders will also be traders as they will eventually sell whatever they got in their wallets at the time and price they like. In general, short-term trading is a more speculative method of trading in comparison with traditional investment methods. Short-term trading (https://www.cmcmarkets.com/en/trading-guides/short-term-trading) is a strategy that aims to open and close positions within a short timeframe, usually days or weeks, although it can be even shorter. Here in cryptocurrency market, we just refer to these people - people like us - as HODLERS and they got diamond hands too since they are not influenced a lot by temporary FUDS. Investors who have the money will usually buy at bulk while those who are not may opt for the DCA way of crypto investing.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: hugeblack on August 28, 2024, 11:19:45 AM
There is no such thing as Long Term Traders, but Long Term Investors. So, Investors and Long Term Investors are descriptions of investment, which is the search for value, whether it is a short-term or long-term investment. Holders differ from investors, as investment searches for value. If it finds that the value of Bitcoin will decrease, it will prefer to search for a new investment, while Holders will continue to hold Bitcoin until their goals are achieved.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 28, 2024, 11:34:10 AM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?

Long term traders are quiet different from investor and Holders, that is to say investor vs Holders are more likely to be same unlike long term traders. Okay this is how i cast my view towards them; Trading is much stressful and it requires your time, resources, energy to efficiently remain steady fast on your screen which will likely affect your view and your mental health/wellbeing.
While that of investor vs Holders; In this you have less worries, what you would only look at is your projected year to sell your investment and holdings, it cost you nothing rather market dip your asset also dip, if market soar your asset also soar that is why you must chose a long term investment where you would experience like 2 to 3 halving with this one is sure of their investment yielding much more unlike that long term traders, although if such person is professional trader then he could make much profits from trading.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Ricardo11 on August 28, 2024, 03:26:17 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
They are not totally the same but relates to the financial marke. In the financial market, there are two types of investors. Longterm and short term. Long-term investors put their money into opportunities that are likely to make good profits over a long time. These investors are like the movers of the market, driving it forward. They buy large portions of the market, allowing smaller traders to buy smaller portions, which adds liquidity to their trades.
In cryptocurrency, a "holder" is someone who buys a coin or token and holds onto it for a long time without selling or trading it. They believe the coin has good potential to make a profit in the future.
All these "holders" to gain the most in bitcoin. Because they do not sell their holding under any circumstances. They firmly believe that it will grow, and hold. If every small and big investor can think like those holders and continue to hold, then everyone can benefit. So invest in Bitcoin, have faith in Bitcoin and keep holding, big profits will surely come sometime.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Crwth on August 28, 2024, 05:02:19 PM
I think it is pretty much the same when it comes to the long-term traders and investors. Most of them would probably have a timeframe whether they would sell there when they have profit.

The common thing about all of it is to profit. I never heard of anyone investing in then not wanting to have a return on their investment.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: doc on August 28, 2024, 05:42:03 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
They are not totally the same but relates to the financial marke. In the financial market, there are two types of investors. Longterm and short term. Long-term investors put their money into opportunities that are likely to make good profits over a long time. These investors are like the movers of the market, driving it forward. They buy large portions of the market, allowing smaller traders to buy smaller portions, which adds liquidity to their trades.
In cryptocurrency, a "holder" is someone who buys a coin or token and holds onto it for a long time without selling or trading it. They believe the coin has good potential to make a profit in the future.
All these "holders" to gain the most in bitcoin. Because they do not sell their holding under any circumstances. They firmly believe that it will grow, and hold. If every small and big investor can think like those holders and continue to hold, then everyone can benefit. So invest in Bitcoin, have faith in Bitcoin and keep holding, big profits will surely come sometime.
Becoming a bitcoin holder is an option that investors can do even though the capital is small, because we can buy bitcoin with the DCA method. but our difficulty is maintaining bitcoin for long-term holding, because sometimes good altcoins with good movements also tempt us to want to own them.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: LogitechMouse on August 28, 2024, 09:54:37 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Hmmm. I'll try to differentiate all three of them based on my understandings.

Long-term traders =  those who have been trading for a very long time. They might be holding some assets, but most of their capital are into trading.
Investors = They're the ones that are just investing, and isn't doing anything on their assets for quite some time. Maybe they will not make any move for the next 6-12 months. Kind of like a mid-term holder.
Holders = Long-term holders. Maybe at least 1 year above.

Maybe some have different definition between the three of them, but that's what I understand when I hear those words. :)
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 28, 2024, 10:03:13 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Hmmm. I'll try to differentiate all three of them based on my understandings.

Long-term traders =  those who have been trading for a very long time. They might be holding some assets, but most of their capital are into trading.
Investors = They're the ones that are just investing, and isn't doing anything on their assets for quite some time. Maybe they will not make any move for the next 6-12 months. Kind of like a mid-term holder.
Holders = Long-term holders. Maybe at least 1 year above.

Maybe some have different definition between the three of them, but that's what I understand when I hear those words. :)
long term holder should be above 1 year because anyone who invested in bitcoin less than one year can't make profit from that investment judging from how halving works, at least it's every 4 years circle and anyone who hasn't hold for the complete circle is considered to be short term because there would be no profit from that investment, except that person is a trader and they are making little profits from their trading without getting worried over the time.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: milewilda on August 29, 2024, 03:52:46 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
1. Long term - 6months to years or a couple. It does matter on someones preference
2. Investors - everyone puts up money on this market considered to be one.  :)
3. To those who do tend to sell off 10 years or holding for the rest of their lives.

The most important thing to consider is on how you would really be setting out those sell points. There's no point on
holding when you do get old. You cant be able to make yourself just simply hold without cherishing those profits for long time.
This would really be that talking on how you would be that making such actions or decisions.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on August 29, 2024, 06:39:48 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Hmmm. I'll try to differentiate all three of them based on my understandings.

Long-term traders =  those who have been trading for a very long time. They might be holding some assets, but most of their capital are into trading.
Investors = They're the ones that are just investing, and isn't doing anything on their assets for quite some time. Maybe they will not make any move for the next 6-12 months. Kind of like a mid-term holder.
Holders = Long-term holders. Maybe at least 1 year above.

Maybe some have different definition between the three of them, but that's what I understand when I hear those words. :)
long term holder should be above 1 year because anyone who invested in bitcoin less than one year can't make profit from that investment judging from how halving works, at least it's every 4 years circle and anyone who hasn't hold for the complete circle is considered to be short term because there would be no profit from that investment, except that person is a trader and they are making little profits from their trading without getting worried over the time.
I think everyone will have a different understanding of it, and that is very natural because they have their own references of course and can also be based on their experiences.

But one thing is for sure, whether it is a long-term trader, investor, or holder must have the same goal, which is to make a profit. That is also one of the reasons why we are here and continue to learn about cryptocurrency.  :D
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Faisal2202 on August 29, 2024, 07:03:32 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Long-term traders are those who buy tokens and sell them after a long period, such as a few months or maybe a year later. They don't sell their assets until they reach the target they set at the start. As for investors and holders, I often consider them the same, but I know there's a difference. Holders invest in tokens, then forget about them and hold onto them indefinitely.

I don't mean "literally" indefinitely, but they don't sell their holdings until 4 to 7 years have passed and they don't care about what's going on in the market as it doesn't matter to them. Investors, on the other hand, invest in a coin whenever they see an opportunity and exit the market when they believe the potential profit has been fully realized. Staying in the trade beyond that point is of no use, so they exit. This isn't a bad strategy, as booking profits is also necessary.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Rubel007 on August 29, 2024, 07:22:18 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
There is a difference between long term traders, Investors and Holders but not much, in one sense these are similar. Everyone's motive is often the same to make profit. By normal long term trader, we mean that after taking a trade, he prolongs it for several weeks and takes profit from it, again investors and holders cannot be distinguished. An investor can be a long-term or short-term holder. And what we think of as a direct holder is to hold the asset he buys. Everyone does these things with the intention of gaining according to their strategy.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: nakmantu99 on August 29, 2024, 09:24:52 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
They are not totally the same but relates to the financial marke. In the financial market, there are two types of investors. Longterm and short term. Long-term investors put their money into opportunities that are likely to make good profits over a long time. These investors are like the movers of the market, driving it forward. They buy large portions of the market, allowing smaller traders to buy smaller portions, which adds liquidity to their trades.
In cryptocurrency, a "holder" is someone who buys a coin or token and holds onto it for a long time without selling or trading it. They believe the coin has good potential to make a profit in the future.
All these "holders" to gain the most in bitcoin. Because they do not sell their holding under any circumstances. They firmly believe that it will grow, and hold. If every small and big investor can think like those holders and continue to hold, then everyone can benefit. So invest in Bitcoin, have faith in Bitcoin and keep holding, big profits will surely come sometime.
Long term hold by choosing bitcon is the right step, because many big investors choose bitcoin for long term hold, they say this is the safest coin for long term, because they believe bitcoin will be expensive in the future. I think I also agree with that, because I do it too.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Asiska02 on August 29, 2024, 09:38:30 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?

The only thing that can differentiate this three entities is trading and investment. If the first one you mentioned is Long term investors, then I’ll classify all of them to be the same but if it is as you mentioned it, the first one is different from the remaining two.

A long term trader could be a trader that have been in the market for a long time and have good understanding of the market trends when taking his trades and are most times profitable in their trades.

Investors and Holders are the same to me because investors are people that are willing to hold to their investment for a very long term without having any thought of touching from the investment until they’re profitable or reach a targeted amount they wish to take profit. An investor is an holder after he/she has done their investment.

An investor always looks to be profitable and without holding for the long term, there’s no way the profitability will come.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 29, 2024, 10:26:09 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Hmmm. I'll try to differentiate all three of them based on my understandings.

Long-term traders =  those who have been trading for a very long time. They might be holding some assets, but most of their capital are into trading.
Investors = They're the ones that are just investing, and isn't doing anything on their assets for quite some time. Maybe they will not make any move for the next 6-12 months. Kind of like a mid-term holder.
Holders = Long-term holders. Maybe at least 1 year above.

Maybe some have different definition between the three of them, but that's what I understand when I hear those words. :)
long term holder should be above 1 year because anyone who invested in bitcoin less than one year can't make profit from that investment judging from how halving works, at least it's every 4 years circle and anyone who hasn't hold for the complete circle is considered to be short term because there would be no profit from that investment, except that person is a trader and they are making little profits from their trading without getting worried over the time.
I think everyone will have a different understanding of it, and that is very natural because they have their own references of course and can also be based on their experiences.

But one thing is for sure, whether it is a long-term trader, investor, or holder must have the same goal, which is to make a profit. That is also one of the reasons why we are here and continue to learn about cryptocurrency.  :D
Certainly that is why we are here to gain knowledge and then implement them to turn out for reality, we all know that everyone interest is to make profits but if not properly implemented then lose is inevitable because we need them to work in our day to day trading or investment and holdings. The reason most people lose investment is not only because they are too careful but sometimes they are too greedy and if that greed nature would be eliminated then it's fine for them to soar.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on August 29, 2024, 10:55:31 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?

        -       The ones you mentioned are types of communities that are entering the crypto space, because there are people who don't want to think it's stressful, so they only do it long-term, so they're just waiting for what they'll do when the time is right when they want to sell it.

And the others, while the crypto potentials are accumulating in the market, invest after investing thinking that they will be able to accumulate a large profit; only two of these are the holders.

Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on August 30, 2024, 01:26:46 PM
I think everyone will have a different understanding of it, and that is very natural because they have their own references of course and can also be based on their experiences.

But one thing is for sure, whether it is a long-term trader, investor, or holder must have the same goal, which is to make a profit. That is also one of the reasons why we are here and continue to learn about cryptocurrency.  :D
Certainly that is why we are here to gain knowledge and then implement them to turn out for reality, we all know that everyone interest is to make profits but if not properly implemented then lose is inevitable because we need them to work in our day to day trading or investment and holdings. The reason most people lose investment is not only because they are too careful but sometimes they are too greedy and if that greed nature would be eliminated then it's fine for them to soar.
Well, those are the traits that we all must eliminate, because those traits are what lead us into losses that will make us slump later.

We may set targets, but the targets we apply must be reasonable, don't let them be excessive. For example, when we have a small capital, but we want to get the same benefits as those felt by people who bring larger capital, clearly that doesn't make sense, right?
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on August 30, 2024, 03:19:12 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
First, let me say that investors and hodlers are the same, one have to invest to have something to hold right? So, that "investors" "holders" should have been merged into one, so the debate or comparison should have been "long term traders vs investors/holders.

And to say what I think, a long term trader is and remains a trader regardless of how long he or she has been trading, while an investor, a holder is the same as well.
And I see no reason to really compare this two because, one can always be the two, like, I can be a trader and also an investor, investing is not something that consumes time, you only need funds, and a little time for some research, then buy and move to your private wallet, this gives you enough time to be a trader as well if you don't have any other job you do.

Even someone who is working a day job can still be a crypto investor and a long term trader as well, only thing is, he or she will have to make his or her trading be on part time basis.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 30, 2024, 07:26:58 PM
I think everyone will have a different understanding of it, and that is very natural because they have their own references of course and can also be based on their experiences.

But one thing is for sure, whether it is a long-term trader, investor, or holder must have the same goal, which is to make a profit. That is also one of the reasons why we are here and continue to learn about cryptocurrency.  :D
Certainly that is why we are here to gain knowledge and then implement them to turn out for reality, we all know that everyone interest is to make profits but if not properly implemented then lose is inevitable because we need them to work in our day to day trading or investment and holdings. The reason most people lose investment is not only because they are too careful but sometimes they are too greedy and if that greed nature would be eliminated then it's fine for them to soar.
Well, those are the traits that we all must eliminate, because those traits are what lead us into losses that will make us slump later.

We may set targets, but the targets we apply must be reasonable, don't let them be excessive. For example, when we have a small capital, but we want to get the same benefits as those felt by people who bring larger capital, clearly that doesn't make sense, right?
Every trader and investors knows what they want and if they think that setting a little rules gives them required results then fine you would see them using that system or method to say to effectively makes profits since almost everyone trading are trading for profit. Of course no investors and traders who ventured here with the sole purpose of losing what they had invested instead looking for ways to increase their profits.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: satpol_PP on August 30, 2024, 08:08:26 PM

Every trader and investors knows what they want and if they think that setting a little rules gives them required results then fine you would see them using that system or method to say to effectively makes profits since almost everyone trading are trading for profit. Of course no investors and traders who ventured here with the sole purpose of losing what they had invested instead looking for ways to increase their profits.
Of course, everyone who trades and invests wants to make a profit and no one wants to lose. and they all have their own strategies, some choose to hold long term because they do not have the expertise in trading, some dare to take risks with trading, and their desire remains one, to make a profit.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 30, 2024, 08:59:38 PM

Every trader and investors knows what they want and if they think that setting a little rules gives them required results then fine you would see them using that system or method to say to effectively makes profits since almost everyone trading are trading for profit. Of course no investors and traders who ventured here with the sole purpose of losing what they had invested instead looking for ways to increase their profits.
Of course, everyone who trades and invests wants to make a profit and no one wants to lose. and they all have their own strategies, some choose to hold long term because they do not have the expertise in trading, some dare to take risks with trading, and their desire remains one, to make a profit.
Yeah, the profit making comes to how learned and consistent they seems to be, because there are lot of people who are so weak in there knowledge or fails to understand the systematic approach of making their trading or investment come to reality. Most times they do trial by error method which is why most of them ends up losing heavily while engaging their self in trading or on investment because the fails to study the coin they are going to invest most importantly studying the altcoin they do invest but inversely I do understand that most people would want to invest in Bitcoin and which is the most safest investment one can engage himself or herself to.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Hamza2424 on August 30, 2024, 09:10:12 PM
        -       The ones you mentioned are types of communities that are entering the crypto space, because there are people who don't want to think it's stressful, so they only do it long-term, so they're just waiting for what they'll do when the time is right when they want to sell it.

And the others, while the crypto potentials are accumulating in the market, invest after investing thinking that they will be able to accumulate a large profit; only two of these are the holders.
Hmmm calling people communities or types does not make any difference here but yeah we can also call them as communities. The explanation is nice and simple adding to it more I will say long-term traders are after profit which they want to make in some time either its after 1 month or 10 months but they are after profit for themselves.

But holders are just accumulating BTC on a regular basis by following the DCA or any other convenient method and they will be accumulating it till then can haha I say, till death even. They will die accumulating the BTC and wonder when they will make use of them anyway it's their choice. Investors can be both and can be another person who can trade for short term even It can be anyone
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on August 31, 2024, 02:49:23 AM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
These terms are not the same, they have different meanings. Long-term traders engage in trading but hold onto their trades for extended periods. These traders typically only participate in spot trading because futures trading is not ideal for this approach. Long-term traders should have substantial funds to achieve significant rewards. It isn't worthwhile to make a long-term trade with smaller funds because the profit will also be lower.

Holders, on the other hand, keep their trades for even longer than long-term traders, often holding for years or even decades. The term investors can refer to both long-term traders and holders, so in some contexts, it can have the same meaning as either group.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Bobcrypto on August 31, 2024, 12:05:45 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?

Mate, long term traders is just a literally word to describing a Trader(s)that has been into trading for many years, An investor is one that has invested in crypto, stocks, commodity, or other businesses either on the long or short term basis. A Holder could also be simply called an investor, though he/she may just be holding certain coins for a short time to maximize profit at any slight opportunity as the market make little move up.
As I have explained, these three entities has some differences but some times many people can term a Holder to be thsame as an Investor especially on the crypto community. As a matter of facts, they all have different meaning when you check the Advance English Dictionary.

Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Vision pro on August 31, 2024, 12:36:59 PM
Ether is the native cryptocurrency of the Ethereum network. It's primarily used to pay for transaction fees, computational services, and to execute smart contracts on the Ethereum blockchain. Think of it as the fuel that powers the Ethereum ecosystem. ETH is also used as a store of value and can be traded like other cryptocurrencies.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on August 31, 2024, 01:55:49 PM
Well, those are the traits that we all must eliminate, because those traits are what lead us into losses that will make us slump later.

We may set targets, but the targets we apply must be reasonable, don't let them be excessive. For example, when we have a small capital, but we want to get the same benefits as those felt by people who bring larger capital, clearly that doesn't make sense, right?
Every trader and investors knows what they want and if they think that setting a little rules gives them required results then fine you would see them using that system or method to say to effectively makes profits since almost everyone trading are trading for profit. Of course no investors and traders who ventured here with the sole purpose of losing what they had invested instead looking for ways to increase their profits.
Profit is indeed the main goal for everyone, no one trades to lose their money, that doesn't make sense. They will also definitely look for and try all ways to make their trading more effective to make a profit.

Unfortunately, some people, especially beginners, sometimes don't understand when they hear the reasons for entering the world of trading, they think trading is something easy.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: nakmantu99 on August 31, 2024, 02:55:23 PM
Well, those are the traits that we all must eliminate, because those traits are what lead us into losses that will make us slump later.

We may set targets, but the targets we apply must be reasonable, don't let them be excessive. For example, when we have a small capital, but we want to get the same benefits as those felt by people who bring larger capital, clearly that doesn't make sense, right?
Every trader and investors knows what they want and if they think that setting a little rules gives them required results then fine you would see them using that system or method to say to effectively makes profits since almost everyone trading are trading for profit. Of course no investors and traders who ventured here with the sole purpose of losing what they had invested instead looking for ways to increase their profits.
Profit is indeed the main goal for everyone, no one trades to lose their money, that doesn't make sense. They will also definitely look for and try all ways to make their trading more effective to make a profit.

Unfortunately, some people, especially beginners, sometimes don't understand when they hear the reasons for entering the world of trading, they think trading is something easy.
Trading is not something easy and requires learning to be able to make analysis and have experience. Everyone who invests must be looking for profit, no one wants to lose, so we must have good experience and strategy in investing in order to make a profit.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Mia Chloe on August 31, 2024, 03:52:48 PM
I think it is pretty much the same when it comes to the long-term traders and investors. Most of them would probably have a timeframe whether they would sell there when they have profit.

The common thing about all of it is to profit. I never heard of anyone investing in then not wanting to have a return on their investment.
Exactly. The difference between long term trading and short term trading is just time frame and the fact is all aim for same thing which is maximum profit. The type of investment actually matters since some investments are better of as long term like bitcoin for example and some others are better off as short term say most meme coins for example. Generally I'll say the profit gotten from either of them depends on both the type of investment and also the capital put in by the investor in question.

Wheather long term or short term , understanding is what matters most in any type of investment.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: KingsDen on August 31, 2024, 06:39:14 PM
Is there anything like a long term trader? I think you created that phrase or has it been in existence? We know of a day trader and a long term investor. What does a long term trader do if such a phrase exists. Maybe leave their trade to run for more than one day?

What we have is;
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Findingnemo on August 31, 2024, 08:01:59 PM
Is there anything like a long term trader? I think you created that phrase or has it been in existence? We know of a day trader and a long term investor. What does a long term trader do if such a phrase exists. Maybe leave their trade to run for more than one day?


It exists for very long time, long term trader is someone who buy crypto at certain price and will decide at what price they want to sell and when the price reached the desired rate they will cash out that is irrespective of time, can happen in a day or in a week or months.



To me long term traders and investors falls under the same category because both are similar in terms of everything apart from investor will move the coins back to wallet and sell when they see profits, long term traders most like leave the trade open with their desired price.

Holder is something different, they might hold their coins no matter what.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: JISAN on August 31, 2024, 08:39:30 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Investment and holding are almost same thing but trading is different thing trading is never long term here who sell their coins as fast as possible and profit. No one expects big profit in this case. But holding or investment is always long term so no one expects small profit here. Every holder and investors are always hoping for huge profits. I keep some budget for holding and invest some as per DCA. But I am trying to stay away from trading now because the market is unstable so the risk here is very high
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: KingsDen on August 31, 2024, 08:50:59 PM
Is there anything like a long term trader? I think you created that phrase or has it been in existence? We know of a day trader and a long term investor. What does a long term trader do if such a phrase exists. Maybe leave their trade to run for more than one day?


It exists for very long time, long term trader is someone who buy crypto at certain price and will decide at what price they want to sell and when the price reached the desired rate they will cash out that is irrespective of time, can happen in a day or in a week or months.


Thanks for clarity about the long term trader. This means a long term trader could also be a day trader ( This is when the desired price is reached in a day). It also means that a long trader could be a Hodler (this is if it takes upto 2 years to reach to the desired price).

It then means that all are same or some terms were wrongly defined or chosen. To me if there be anything like a long term trader according to your definition above, it should be called a price driven trader or a purposeful trader.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on August 31, 2024, 10:31:55 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?

They are all different in what they do, the only common thing that brought about their similarities is bitcoin, many would like to make use of bitcoin for every of these, we have to first consider the ability we have in cryptocurrency and the level of understanding we have acquired as part of its knowledge achieved, then decide on which to go for and take control measures over same, everyone here adopts bitcoin and make use of it as their preferred digital currency in other to serve them right as needed.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: vegasus on August 31, 2024, 11:31:20 PM
Of course, everyone who trades and invests wants to make a profit and no one wants to lose. and they all have their own strategies, some choose to hold long term because they do not have the expertise in trading, some dare to take risks with trading, and their desire remains one, to make a profit.
The courage to take risks varies from person to person. That is why, there are some people who do not dare to do it because they do not want to take the risk, especially the high risk. That is why, it would be much better if we ourselves know the risks and are we able to take them. So that we consciously choose to trade or invest based on capital and readiness to take risks.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on September 01, 2024, 02:35:38 PM
Profit is indeed the main goal for everyone, no one trades to lose their money, that doesn't make sense. They will also definitely look for and try all ways to make their trading more effective to make a profit.

Unfortunately, some people, especially beginners, sometimes don't understand when they hear the reasons for entering the world of trading, they think trading is something easy.
Trading is not something easy and requires learning to be able to make analysis and have experience. Everyone who invests must be looking for profit, no one wants to lose, so we must have good experience and strategy in investing in order to make a profit.
There are many factors that we must learn and understand well, if we do not understand one of these factors well, it will harm us during trading.

This is not something that can be obtained from an instant process, it will take a long time to understand it all. While we are learning this, we must also have enough patience, because without patience we may leave because we give up on continuing to learn trading.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: bayu7adi on September 01, 2024, 02:52:47 PM
Trading is not something easy and requires learning to be able to make analysis and have experience. Everyone who invests must be looking for profit, no one wants to lose, so we must have good experience and strategy in investing in order to make a profit.
Actually, everything is not easy, even trading, long-term traders, investors or holders or whatever the finish line is to get money, it's all not easy... if getting money was as easy as it seems, surely poor people should no longer exist, right?

Between trading and long-term investment, both have their own risk profiles... experience and strategy are indeed very useful in this case, but what also needs to be considered is knowing our limits... because not everyone can start trading or long-term investment with limited financial conditions, or other limitations.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Sim_card on September 01, 2024, 04:43:20 PM
Long term traders are swing traders. They can buy a coin and not sell it until it is 2 weeks or more. But long term traders should see the coins in less than 2 or 3 months. If it is getting more than that, it is becoming short term holder.

Investors can hodl. It means that investors are holders. Holders invest in a coin for a long time without selling. They can hold the coin for 6 months, a year, 2 years or more.
I will not call investors that hodli their coins from 6 months to 3 years long term holder, they fall under the category of short term hodlers. This is because for bitcoin to complete its circle, it takes four years and a long term hodler must be able to hodli his coins for one full bitcoin circle so that he can experience all aspect of the market and make good profit from his bitcoin investment. Long-term investment is from 4-10 years and above, whoever can hodli his bitcoin within that duration is a long term hodler.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: nakmantu99 on September 07, 2024, 02:08:56 AM
Long term traders are swing traders. They can buy a coin and not sell it until it is 2 weeks or more. But long term traders should see the coins in less than 2 or 3 months. If it is getting more than that, it is becoming short term holder.

Investors can hodl. It means that investors are holders. Holders invest in a coin for a long time without selling. They can hold the coin for 6 months, a year, 2 years or more.
I will not call investors that hodli their coins from 6 months to 3 years long term holder, they fall under the category of short term hodlers. This is because for bitcoin to complete its circle, it takes four years and a long term hodler must be able to hodli his coins for one full bitcoin circle so that he can experience all aspect of the market and make good profit from his bitcoin investment. Long-term investment is from 4-10 years and above, whoever can hodli his bitcoin within that duration is a long term hodler.
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Hisbullah on September 11, 2024, 09:18:08 PM
Long term traders are swing traders. They can buy a coin and not sell it until it is 2 weeks or more. But long term traders should see the coins in less than 2 or 3 months. If it is getting more than that, it is becoming short term holder.

Investors can hodl. It means that investors are holders. Holders invest in a coin for a long time without selling. They can hold the coin for 6 months, a year, 2 years or more.
I will not call investors that hodli their coins from 6 months to 3 years long term holder, they fall under the category of short term hodlers. This is because for bitcoin to complete its circle, it takes four years and a long term hodler must be able to hodli his coins for one full bitcoin circle so that he can experience all aspect of the market and make good profit from his bitcoin investment. Long-term investment is from 4-10 years and above, whoever can hodli his bitcoin within that duration is a long term hodler.
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.
3-4 years is not a close time my friend, because for me it is quite long :)
long term hold we can do if we have free funds to hold and if we do not have it we can choose medium term with trading or daily trading for short term. I also do both because we have to diversify because short term will not always get profit especially when the market is not good and often there are corrections and it is difficult to go up.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on September 12, 2024, 10:48:43 PM
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

I will always recommend that people be long-term investors, so that they can be followed and see everything that can be achieved. Of course, that's simply my advice Personally, if I want to be a long-term investor, it's good The important thing is to be clear and base things on real things, how to hold the investment without taking it out That's the difficult part and that's where a good investor is measured For me, there's no other way Of course, for me, being a holder is something else, because it's someone who will never, under any circumstances , sell.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: nakmantu99 on September 13, 2024, 01:53:55 AM
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

I will always recommend that people be long-term investors, so that they can be followed and see everything that can be achieved. Of course, that's simply my advice Personally, if I want to be a long-term investor, it's good The important thing is to be clear and base things on real things, how to hold the investment without taking it out That's the difficult part and that's where a good investor is measured For me, there's no other way Of course, for me, being a holder is something else, because it's someone who will never, under any circumstances , sell.
Long-term investors are indeed safer and more profitable and we know that crypto, especially bitcoin, is very suitable for long-term holding because the price of bitcoin will get more expensive over time. But if we have a lot of time to trade, it is also a good way to make a profit, many have succeeded there even though the risk is high, but if we choose the top coin, I think the losses that will be incurred are very small because when we get stuck we can hold the coin and wait until the coin goes up in price again.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: sagarmota10 on September 13, 2024, 12:53:53 PM
Investors: The person who have the good capital and know the fundamentals of projects so person can invest in project and sit tight for good return.
Trader : As we see in trend of social media all person are wishing to be a trader but due to lack of technical analysis knowledge they getting losses end of the day.Trading is hard as we have to watch the news up to date and taking time process.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Crypto Library on September 15, 2024, 09:07:06 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Practically I do not consider these three entities to be the same as each has a different meaning which is different in practice.

For example the Investors words what I understand that every investment in crypto like the short-term trading to the mid term trading to long-term trading.

And considering the holder and the long-term trader I thing these two are also different even then they are meaning to be same. Holders mean the upper level of long-term traders . These are my persernal point of view.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Legion on September 16, 2024, 09:47:32 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Practically I do not consider these three entities to be the same as each has a different meaning which is different in practice.

For example the Investors words what I understand that every investment in crypto like the short-term trading to the mid term trading to long-term trading.

And considering the holder and the long-term trader I thing these two are also different even then they are meaning to be same. Holders mean the upper level of long-term traders . These are my persernal point of view.
I think, every term introduced in the context of the crypto world has a concrete meaning when implemented. For instance, the term ‘Investors’ can mean anything from day trading right up to and including blue sky investment. For instance, while holders are those that are loyal to an asset hence holding it most of the time, traders are those who are more engaged in exchanges. Thus, as much as there is cross over, the way and intent of each term is distinguishable when it comes to investing and trading.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on September 17, 2024, 03:59:22 PM

Long-term investors are indeed safer and more profitable and we know that crypto, especially bitcoin, is very suitable for long-term holding because the price of bitcoin will get more expensive over time. But if we have a lot of time to trade, it is also a good way to make a profit, many have succeeded there even though the risk is high, but if we choose the top coin, I think the losses that will be incurred are very small because when we get stuck we can hold the coin and wait until the coin goes up in price again.

Well I have always said something , we should always try everything , investment, market Speculation And if that works , well we have to try , there we will realize if we are good for that or not , and if things do not go well in Trading , the investment will surely go well for us , because it is as you say, bitcoin will always be something safe, on the other hand in Trading if we do not know enough or even knowing we can lose, that is what we should see, of course that is different when a person dedicates himself only to one thing, or speculating in the market or just making investments.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Gurujebs on September 17, 2024, 04:29:58 PM
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

Long term is more easier because you can do other stuff both crypto stuffs and non crypto stuffs without any problems later but as for the daily trading, your time is of the essence and your knowledge distribution across crypto state is very necessary and not just that, your knowledge about the trend is important as well.

There is also times that you may not really make anything from the market doing daily or term holding because this market is uncertain most of the time. Even the long term sometimes don't yield profit quickly talk more of the short term holding
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: milewilda on September 17, 2024, 06:04:16 PM
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

Long term is more easier because you can do other stuff both crypto stuffs and non crypto stuffs without any problems later but as for the daily trading, your time is of the essence and your knowledge distribution across crypto state is very necessary and not just that, your knowledge about the trend is important as well.

There is also times that you may not really make anything from the market doing daily or term holding because this market is uncertain most of the time. Even the long term sometimes don't yield profit quickly talk more of the short term holding
Totally depends into your availability on which we know that when it comes into this aspect then it would really be your choice whether you would really be that going for long term approach
or you would really be that wanting to have that shorter ones? If you do have that time or you could go full time then you would really be doing it, but if you are someone who does have a job
then you would really be definitely be going into the other options on which you would really be just that simply buy and hold for long term until you do able to see some significant amount of profits that you've seen into your portfolio. Not all would really be that be able to fit out on such certain conditions, it will really be just that basing up on how well you do make
out such actions that would benefit you out.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Crypto Library on September 17, 2024, 07:09:42 PM
I think, every term introduced in the context of the crypto world has a concrete meaning when implemented. For instance, the term ‘Investors’ can mean anything from day trading right up to and including blue sky investment. For instance, while holders are those that are loyal to an asset hence holding it most of the time, traders are those who are more engaged in exchanges. Thus, as much as there is cross over, the way and intent of each term is distinguishable when it comes to investing and trading.
I also do mean what you are saying right now in my post.
And I will agree with you that most of those who are short term traders or day traders are connected with exchangers but yes it should not be thought that long term investors or holders are not connected with any exchanger because even if they invest for long term there are exchangers need.
In fact, I want to explain that the issue is not how long a trader or investor or holder is connected with the exchange, the main issue is how their trading gap is and through the trading gap it can be determined in which category they fall.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Hisbullah on September 17, 2024, 07:12:59 PM
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

Long term is more easier because you can do other stuff both crypto stuffs and non crypto stuffs without any problems later but as for the daily trading, your time is of the essence and your knowledge distribution across crypto state is very necessary and not just that, your knowledge about the trend is important as well.

There is also times that you may not really make anything from the market doing daily or term holding because this market is uncertain most of the time. Even the long term sometimes don't yield profit quickly talk more of the short term holding
The long term is safer, if we hold bitcoin holds for the long term and target selling on the bullish season. This seems easy but we have to make a purchase at the time of bearish season where the price of Bitcoin is at the point and hold for 2-3 years waiting for Bullish Season. Even though the trading profit is higher than the long -term hold but the most big investor prefers long -term holds because they may have other stubbies in the real world.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: luckyledger on September 19, 2024, 10:12:09 AM
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

Long term is more easier because you can do other stuff both crypto stuffs and non crypto stuffs without any problems later but as for the daily trading, your time is of the essence and your knowledge distribution across crypto state is very necessary and not just that, your knowledge about the trend is important as well.

There is also times that you may not really make anything from the market doing daily or term holding because this market is uncertain most of the time. Even the long term sometimes don't yield profit quickly talk more of the short term holding

I do agree.
It all depends on expertise, time needed, and a bit of luck.
Usually going long-term while investing is great because the risks are smaller in comparison. Without the needed knowledge, you can easily lose your funds while trading.
But the potential in
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Agbe on September 20, 2024, 12:11:32 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?

Well technically there are all kind of like the same thing because they involve waiting for a specific period of time but I think swing trading is more riskier than the rest of them due to the unstable direction of the market. Each of them has their risks because the financial market is generally complex this is why you must apply risk management. But before earning from the crypto space you must take your time to learn, learning makes you more skilled and knowledgeable and makes you have a better approach to the Market
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on September 20, 2024, 04:43:56 PM
           -     Doesn't saying you are long-term traders mean you are an investor? And because your vision plan is long-term, that also means that you are holders willing to wait a long time for bitcoin or cryptocurrency that you believe can give you good earnings in the future.

So I can't seem to see that they are different; I can even say that they are different if the OP said that they are short-term traders, although they are still investors who can also be considered holders for a short period of time.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: MrSpasybo on September 20, 2024, 05:54:13 PM
           -     Doesn't saying you are long-term traders mean you are an investor? And because your vision plan is long-term, that also means that you are holders willing to wait a long time for bitcoin or cryptocurrency that you believe can give you good earnings in the future.

So I can't seem to see that they are different; I can even say that they are different if the OP said that they are short-term traders, although they are still investors who can also be considered holders for a short period of time.
I agree with you, we are all investors and traders, although many people are trying to divide and differentiate traders from holders.

Sometimes, investors even include those who participate in pre-sales or support #DevelopmentTeam s. These are actions that traders and holders rarely do.

Holders are actually also traders, they are traders who hold a position for the long term, which can be many months or many years.

Traders are often understood to be people who trade frequently, such as intra-day traders.

Anyway, these definitions are not really important, each market participant has their own capabilities, time frame, and preferences. As long as our efforts generate profits, the titles of investor-trader-holder no longer matter.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: satpol_PP on September 21, 2024, 02:56:27 PM
           -     Doesn't saying you are long-term traders mean you are an investor? And because your vision plan is long-term, that also means that you are holders willing to wait a long time for bitcoin or cryptocurrency that you believe can give you good earnings in the future.

So I can't seem to see that they are different; I can even say that they are different if the OP said that they are short-term traders, although they are still investors who can also be considered holders for a short period of time.
Long-term traders, more precisely holders. In my opinion, traders focus more on the short term and sometimes the medium term.
I prefer to be a long-term holder, but sometimes I also trade when I see a good market for trading. Being a holder is safer and does not require focusing on watching the market, this is widely used by those who are busy in the real world.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Vx1 on September 21, 2024, 03:58:12 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Actually the goal is the same, which is to gain profit in holding cryptocurrency coins.
But of course it is different in its implementation, Trading in the long term we buy on the exchange then we wait for the price to rise for a long time then sell it.
Investors, meaning we invest in Crypto coins, of course after we get the coins and the price is high we sell them.
Then holding coins is the same, we buy then hold until the price is high and sell them.
So confused too, actually the three terms mean the same or different ?!
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: dekafee79 on September 21, 2024, 05:48:54 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Actually the goal is the same, which is to gain profit in holding cryptocurrency coins.
But of course it is different in its implementation, Trading in the long term we buy on the exchange then we wait for the price to rise for a long time then sell it.
Investors, meaning we invest in Crypto coins, of course after we get the coins and the price is high we sell them.
Then holding coins is the same, we buy then hold until the price is high and sell them.
So confused too, actually the three terms mean the same or different ?!
Actually long-term trading is holding, buying and holding it in echange waiting for the price to rise then selling it. There is no difference between long-term trading and holding for the long term because both are waiting for the time to get profit then selling it. What is more specific and requires skills is short-term trading.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: albon on September 21, 2024, 06:56:59 PM
To gain experience from both crypto investing, trading and holding you need to enter their markets. When you are good at trading strategically, you will get a share of the profits every day. But here there is a fear of losing your money altogether. On the other hand, if you are holding top currency for long time then there is possibility of one time big profit. If the market falls, you will get some loss of money but your fund will not be lost at all. Moreover everyone knows that one can earn a lot of money from crypto trading, but this road is not easy at all. But with solid strategy, technical and fundamental analysis you can profit from trading. Taking higher risk can get you higher rewards from your investment.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Vx1 on September 22, 2024, 04:34:54 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Actually the goal is the same, which is to gain profit in holding cryptocurrency coins.
But of course it is different in its implementation, Trading in the long term we buy on the exchange then we wait for the price to rise for a long time then sell it.
Investors, meaning we invest in Crypto coins, of course after we get the coins and the price is high we sell them.
Then holding coins is the same, we buy then hold until the price is high and sell them.
So confused too, actually the three terms mean the same or different ?!
Actually long-term trading is holding, buying and holding it in echange waiting for the price to rise then selling it. There is no difference between long-term trading and holding for the long term because both are waiting for the time to get profit then selling it. What is more specific and requires skills is short-term trading.
So the answer is that all three terms have the same meaning, and we don't need to be confused anymore to find the answer to the OP's question above. Indeed, trading in this way is widely done by traders or investors at certain moments to get big profits. As a crypto trader, whether a beginner or a professional, we should understand terms like that.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: royalRitta on September 23, 2024, 11:52:27 AM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Actually the goal is the same, which is to gain profit in holding cryptocurrency coins.
But of course it is different in its implementation, Trading in the long term we buy on the exchange then we wait for the price to rise for a long time then sell it.
Investors, meaning we invest in Crypto coins, of course after we get the coins and the price is high we sell them.
Then holding coins is the same, we buy then hold until the price is high and sell them.
So confused too, actually the three terms mean the same or different ?!
Actually long-term trading is holding, buying and holding it in echange waiting for the price to rise then selling it. There is no difference between long-term trading and holding for the long term because both are waiting for the time to get profit then selling it. What is more specific and requires skills is short-term trading.
So the answer is that all three terms have the same meaning, and we don't need to be confused anymore to find the answer to the OP's question above. Indeed, trading in this way is widely done by traders or investors at certain moments to get big profits. As a crypto trader, whether a beginner or a professional, we should understand terms like that.

Traders need more expertise, I imagine, whereas investors - they need it too, but the risks for them are much lower due to what was described in replies above.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on September 25, 2024, 09:16:53 PM
Traders need more expertise, I imagine, whereas investors - they need it too, but the risks for them are much lower due to what was described in replies above.
The biggest and most difficult task of an investor is to invest in the right stock or currency, fortunately in the crypto world the main task has already been done, it is known that bitcoin is the safest stock and currency in the world, the one that never disappoints, the investor just has to buy and wait patiently to see how over time the magic will happen and that is enough for them to generate any kind of profit, I think that if those things are taken into consideration it is sufficient, also what is sought is to win, an investor must always have a lot of patience.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: satpol_PP on September 28, 2024, 02:53:27 PM
Traders need more expertise, I imagine, whereas investors - they need it too, but the risks for them are much lower due to what was described in replies above.
The biggest and most difficult task of an investor is to invest in the right stock or currency, fortunately in the crypto world the main task has already been done, it is known that bitcoin is the safest stock and currency in the world, the one that never disappoints, the investor just has to buy and wait patiently to see how over time the magic will happen and that is enough for them to generate any kind of profit, I think that if those things are taken into consideration it is sufficient, also what is sought is to win, an investor must always have a lot of patience.
Talking about safe and right crypto currency, it seems that bitcoin is the main choice. Because bitcoin is always a priority for big investors for long-term holding. We can also choose other potential altcoins, currently I like BNB, TON and Solana as favorite altcoins, sorry I don't really like ethereum in this cycle because it seems to be struggling.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: dansus021 on September 29, 2024, 05:36:51 PM
Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders I consider three of them is same and the point is they want to gain profit in the future but there is might differences in one thing or two. I just do quick google search and found that

"A "long-term trader" is someone who actively manages investments with a longer time horizon, aiming to profit from market trends over an extended period, while an "investor" typically holds assets for a much longer time with less frequent trading, focusing on the long-term growth of a company, and a "holder" simply passively owns an asset without actively managing it, often with the intention of holding it for a very long time, potentially without considering short-term market fluctuations" - Google (https://www.google.com/search?q=long+term+traders+vs+investors+vs+holders+what+the+difference&oq=Long+term+traders+vs+Investors+vs+Holders+what+the+di&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBECEYoAEyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigAdIBCDMxMzJqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: PX-Z on September 29, 2024, 05:57:31 PM
Usually, trading can be considered as investing but investing cannot be called and considered as trading. When you trade that means you invest, but if you invest it's either it's a short term or long term, you need to make a choice between the time frame. In trading it depends on your position too, if you hold long position for extended timeframe, that means long term trading and on the other hand it's short term trading, like day trading and etc.

Holding are either of the two, it's either in long term and short term as well, it's the same on investing.

Back to the question, if you put it with "long term" for both holding and investing, i will call it the same, but since there's nothing, so they are not.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: salad daging on September 29, 2024, 06:50:07 PM
Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders I consider three of them is same and the point is they want to gain profit in the future but there is might differences in one thing or two. I just do quick google search and found that
Indeed, all three have the same goal of making a profit:

Long-term trading means that you trade for a long time, say a week or month, to make a profit.

Investor means you dare to invest in any field.

HODL you keep strong to hold the long term and that's what I'm doing right now instead of trading.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Dzwaafu11 on September 29, 2024, 07:11:15 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?

To me, they both have a plan for the same thing, which is profit, so regardless of how we are going to differentiate this, it will still come and end up in the same thing, which is why I said it was almost the same thing. They are both looking for profit. A long trader is trading for a long time; before he makes a profit from his trade, it will take some period of time, maybe a month or even more.

Investors and holders are almost always doing the same thing. But investors may not be for a long time, while Holders are people who are ready for a long-term investment. 
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: milewilda on September 29, 2024, 07:39:58 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?

To me, they both have a plan for the same thing, which is profit, so regardless of how we are going to differentiate this, it will still come and end up in the same thing, which is why I said it was almost the same thing. They are both looking for profit. A long trader is trading for a long time; before he makes a profit from his trade, it will take some period of time, maybe a month or even more.

Investors and holders are almost always doing the same thing. But investors may not be for a long time, while Holders are people who are ready for a long-term investment.
Yes, it do really just simply differs into the duration on where these type of traders/investors would really be doing on which they would really be just that after for making profits in the end of the line. The duration will really be that different because there would really be thos people who do really want to see their profits in a short time period and there are ones who do go for long term.
It woulc really be that actually depending into you on which we know that when it comes into this aspect then this is something that falls down into someones preference on what are the
things that they do prefer into. We do know that not all would be the same when it comes into intent and approach towards things.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Primo1760 on September 29, 2024, 10:53:43 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
I think the three things you mentioned here are the same. A long-time trader is a holder and an individual investor has a tendency to hold long-term among the three individuals. So I don't see the difference here. However, the difference between a long-term trader and a long-term investor is a little different because a long-term trader may not be a long-term trader if he has a lot of profit in trading, but on the other hand a long-term trader may sell at his maximum profit. A holder and an investor will not sell even if they see a lot of profit. I find the only difference here.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 29, 2024, 11:15:42 PM
I do agree.
It all depends on expertise, time needed, and a bit of luck.
Usually going long-term while investing is great because the risks are smaller in comparison. Without the needed knowledge, you can easily lose your funds while trading.
But the potential in
Only traders need luck, investors don’t need luck since they’re are not mostly after short term profits, thereby avoid attempting to time the market in order to make quick profits, only those who try to time the market needs luck since they’re not able to accurately predict the market, they can only rely on luck to help them maximize profits.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Blaze on September 30, 2024, 01:56:28 PM
I do agree.
It all depends on expertise, time needed, and a bit of luck.
Usually going long-term while investing is great because the risks are smaller in comparison. Without the needed knowledge, you can easily lose your funds while trading.
But the potential in
Only traders need luck, investors don’t need luck since they’re are not mostly after short term profits, thereby avoid attempting to time the market in order to make quick profits, only those who try to time the market needs luck since they’re not able to accurately predict the market, they can only rely on luck to help them maximize profits.
Well, Investors and traders have completely different attitudes to the market. Business people are often short-term oriented, and they attempt to enter into the market at various points with the view to exiting when they get the highest returns. This does entail high risk since the market is a hard factor to assess, therefore, they depend on luck besides the analytical results. They use high volatility to make their profits within the shortest time possible, a strategy that may or may not pay off.

Main investors are more concerned with long term and their actions are done more based on earnings and returns of an asset and not room to room fluctuations. Since they can put in their money and sit back to wait for their returns, they do not bother to time the market. They like to sink their capital into assets that they think have positive prospects for the future, and therefore, are not inclined to the kind of pressure that compels one to make a quick buck. By so doing, chance plays a relatively small role because they are interested in achieving consistent steady and long term growth.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: saprakib on September 30, 2024, 03:35:03 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Its really important concern crypto trading. Among them long term traders and holder almost same thing.I think he/she trade for long term actually he/she holding this coin So not much different between them. However Investor is a bit different cause he is doing investment if he get his profit he might exit. On the hand long term trader and holder hold their coin for long term to get huge profit.I have seen many times that holder and long time trade almost gain their profit what they want. On other side investor invest.on different coin and get his profit. Eventually it is almost these there is same. They invest, hold, and trade for long term to reach a level and exit with a handsome return.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Ujok on September 30, 2024, 04:14:33 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
I think the three things you mentioned here are the same. A long-time trader is a holder and an individual investor has a tendency to hold long-term among the three individuals. So I don't see the difference here. However, the difference between a long-term trader and a long-term investor is a little different because a long-term trader may not be a long-term trader if he has a lot of profit in trading, but on the other hand a long-term trader may sell at his maximum profit. A holder and an investor will not sell even if they see a lot of profit. I find the only difference here.
according to the title discussed, I think all three are the same, only if we look at it from their point of view, they both sell and buy, but slightly different, namely in the way they manage their assets so that each individual is different in building a strategy or plan so that they get profit from their assets.. some trade in the long term and some seek profit every day.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: kai on October 01, 2024, 01:42:16 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
I have a very valuable experience from cryptocurrency as a holder because to become an investor and trader requires a lot of capital. I have my own instincts for traders and investors in cryptocurrency that will not be profitable for me.
I tried to hold coins with a small capital and it seems like I'm starting to get nervous because the value of the coins I'm holding now is going down, this proves that I personally am not suitable to be a trader and investor in cryptocurrency because just by holding coins with a small capital my feelings are already confused.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 03, 2024, 09:04:51 PM
Talking about safe and right crypto currency, it seems that bitcoin is the main choice. Because bitcoin is always a priority for big investors for long-term holding. We can also choose other potential altcoins, currently I like BNB, TON and Solana as favorite altcoins, sorry I don't really like ethereum in this cycle because it seems to be struggling.

Well it is a fact that things with bitcoin we have a great advantage, because it is no secret that it is the safest currency and action, we can take risks with other currencies , but it is up to us to assume such risk, personally the only currency that I recommend anyone to buy is Bitcoin , the rest I do not do it because the alts are always somewhat unstable, for me the only currency with a life of its own is Bitcoin, the others or to be specific all depend on btc either directly or indirectly.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: dekafee79 on October 06, 2024, 02:56:02 AM
Talking about safe and right crypto currency, it seems that bitcoin is the main choice. Because bitcoin is always a priority for big investors for long-term holding. We can also choose other potential altcoins, currently I like BNB, TON and Solana as favorite altcoins, sorry I don't really like ethereum in this cycle because it seems to be struggling.

Well it is a fact that things with bitcoin we have a great advantage, because it is no secret that it is the safest currency and action, we can take risks with other currencies , but it is up to us to assume such risk, personally the only currency that I recommend anyone to buy is Bitcoin , the rest I do not do it because the alts are always somewhat unstable, for me the only currency with a life of its own is Bitcoin, the others or to be specific all depend on btc either directly or indirectly.
Bitcoin has always been the top choice for big investors, because it is relatively safer and if bought during bearish and held until bullish season will get big profit. Altcoin is a riskier coin but every coin that has a bigger risk will bring bigger profit, but it is recommended to choose the top altcoin because it is safer.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: MRY on October 09, 2024, 05:46:57 AM
Talking about safe and right crypto currency, it seems that bitcoin is the main choice. Because bitcoin is always a priority for big investors for long-term holding. We can also choose other potential altcoins, currently I like BNB, TON and Solana as favorite altcoins, sorry I don't really like ethereum in this cycle because it seems to be struggling.

Well it is a fact that things with bitcoin we have a great advantage, because it is no secret that it is the safest currency and action, we can take risks with other currencies , but it is up to us to assume such risk, personally the only currency that I recommend anyone to buy is Bitcoin , the rest I do not do it because the alts are always somewhat unstable, for me the only currency with a life of its own is Bitcoin, the others or to be specific all depend on btc either directly or indirectly.
Bitcoin has always been the top choice for big investors, because it is relatively safer and if bought during bearish and held until bullish season will get big profit. Altcoin is a riskier coin but every coin that has a bigger risk will bring bigger profit, but it is recommended to choose the top altcoin because it is safer.
Indeed, Bitcoin is also seen as relatively safer for large investors since it occupies a large share in the crypto platform and is known as the first recognized crypto currency. The basic approach to investment involves purchasing bitcoin during bearish times then waiting for the bullish times to make big profits because bitcoin price changes are less frequent compared to altcoins. But at the same time it is necessary to take into consideration time and situation on the world stock markets to achieve maximum results.

But altcoins provide bigger profit with even higher risks. In case you are looking to diversify you crypto, it may be safer to go for top altcoins or those with solid fundamentals. Eminent altcoins tend to be more liquid and are backed by a larger support base than the rest of the other alt coins. But be wise while selecting altcoins, do not stop following the project and the advancement in the crypto world.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 09, 2024, 11:16:40 PM
Bitcoin has always been the top choice for big investors, because it is relatively safer and if bought during bearish and held until bullish season will get big profit. Altcoin is a riskier coin but every coin that has a bigger risk will bring bigger profit, but it is recommended to choose the top altcoin because it is safer.

In a fact that the best time to buy bitcoin is when it is in its accumulation stage, of course at this point those who have not been able to buy because it seems very expensive have the option of applying the DCA method which is a great way to get bitcoin, then in this sense if things go well, it can be said that it is now possible to have BTC, even if they are fractions, the best thing is that while it is below its ATH it is widely safe to buy, since things can look excellent when it goes up in price.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: debra on October 09, 2024, 11:19:15 PM
Bitcoin has always been the top choice for big investors, because it is relatively safer and if bought during bearish and held until bullish season will get big profit. Altcoin is a riskier coin but every coin that has a bigger risk will bring bigger profit, but it is recommended to choose the top altcoin because it is safer.
Of course. Bitcoin must be the first option, it is the priority of each crypto investor. It is a bit strange if there is someone who doesn't want to invest in Bitcoin. It is the safest crypto investment, we know well the price move of Bitcoin in 4 years-cycle. Bitcoin also has halving that can trigger the price move easily. It is different with altcoins that may have their own factors. But if we want to invest in top altcoins, I think it is quite safe, too.

Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 14, 2024, 07:53:29 PM
But altcoins provide bigger profit with even higher risks. In case you are looking to diversify you crypto, it may be safer to go for top altcoins or those with solid fundamentals. Eminent altcoins tend to be more liquid and are backed by a larger support base than the rest of the other alt coins. But be wise while selecting altcoins, do not stop following the project and the advancement in the crypto world.

Well I have seen many threads where I try to find information about alts, but to be honest there is none that catches my attention, for example the token projects are all the same, they do not give incentives like before, the rewards are practically alms, before a reward was equivalent to more than $ 10k and if that investment went up it went up so much that you could buy btc now, now if there is a good movement it is not even enough to buy 0.5 Bitcoin, I think that for that reason ICOS , the projects , the alts have lost a lot of reliability, the alts that I see that can give good returns are ETH and at least the top 5 of CMC.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: MRY on October 16, 2024, 10:40:48 AM
Bitcoin has always been the top choice for big investors, because it is relatively safer and if bought during bearish and held until bullish season will get big profit. Altcoin is a riskier coin but every coin that has a bigger risk will bring bigger profit, but it is recommended to choose the top altcoin because it is safer.
Of course. Bitcoin must be the first option, it is the priority of each crypto investor. It is a bit strange if there is someone who doesn't want to invest in Bitcoin. It is the safest crypto investment, we know well the price move of Bitcoin in 4 years-cycle. Bitcoin also has halving that can trigger the price move easily. It is different with altcoins that may have their own factors. But if we want to invest in top altcoins, I think it is quite safe, too.
Bitcoin is usually considered as one of the safest binary options because of its stability and price dynamics which can bring profit especially at the 4 year cycle as you have mentioned, it is called Halving cycle This cycle moves price significantly often causing its large increase as the supply of new mined coins shrinks. That is why, for investors who search for safety and the good perspective for the increase in the rates, Bitcoin is always a priority.

The same is true of other most popular altcoins they may also open quite interesting investment opportunities for those who know the projects behind these tokens and the prospects of the technologies used by these projects. Some altcoins can have slightly higher risks but they also contain much more potential for the growth as it is the case with those coins which have a giant community and an already developed ecosystem. If an investor is seeking to invest in diversified assets, it might not be a bad idea for it to invest in top altcoins on the condition that it does advanced research on the fundamentals and what the specific projects aims to achieve.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: doc on October 17, 2024, 11:21:02 AM

Of course. Bitcoin must be the first option, it is the priority of each crypto investor. It is a bit strange if there is someone who doesn't want to invest in Bitcoin. It is the safest crypto investment, we know well the price move of Bitcoin in 4 years-cycle. Bitcoin also has halving that can trigger the price move easily. It is different with altcoins that may have their own factors. But if we want to invest in top altcoins, I think it is quite safe, too.
My biggest investment in crypto is bitcoin, then top coins include Ethereum, BNB and Solana. for other coins are not as big as the ones I mentioned above. And bitcoin is always the top priority, of course almost all investors also consider bitcoin as the top priority to invest in crypto. If anyone thinks otherwise they may have other considerations, and of course everyone is free to determine which coin is their favorite.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: bitterguy28 on October 17, 2024, 12:52:43 PM
of course almost all investors also consider bitcoin as the top priority to invest in crypto. If anyone thinks otherwise they may have other considerations, and of course everyone is free to determine which coin is their favorite.
since bitcoin has the biggest marketcap a lot of people think that everyone involved in crypto holds bitcoin the most but i have seen people who actually prefer investing and trading altcoins rather than bitcoin and i do get their reasons it seems very valid and justifiable they say it is because altcoins are more accessible and has cheap transaction fees for everyday use what i would not get though is if someone claims that they do not like bitcoin at all i mean how can you hate something that paved the way for everything that you enjoy now?
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: debra on October 17, 2024, 11:59:34 PM
My biggest investment in crypto is bitcoin, then top coins include Ethereum, BNB and Solana. for other coins are not as big as the ones I mentioned above. And bitcoin is always the top priority, of course almost all investors also consider bitcoin as the top priority to invest in crypto. If anyone thinks otherwise they may have other considerations, and of course everyone is free to determine which coin is their favorite.
It is good that you invest mostly in Bitcoin. It is the most recommended coin for investment, you will be safe with Bitcoin investment. However you need to understand well the cycle, how the bearish and bullish happens. This will make you easily determine the best time to buy or sell the Bitcoin. Anyway, investing in top altcoins are also good. ETH, SOL, BNB, ADA, or other top altcoins are quite safe for short or long term. People sometimes wait for the altcoins season to sell these top altcoins. As far as I know, when it is in altcoins season, the top altcoins will skyrocket firstly.  ;)

Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: jeraldskie11 on October 18, 2024, 06:58:45 AM
My biggest investment in crypto is bitcoin, then top coins include Ethereum, BNB and Solana. for other coins are not as big as the ones I mentioned above. And bitcoin is always the top priority, of course almost all investors also consider bitcoin as the top priority to invest in crypto. If anyone thinks otherwise they may have other considerations, and of course everyone is free to determine which coin is their favorite.
It is good that you invest mostly in Bitcoin. It is the most recommended coin for investment, you will be safe with Bitcoin investment. However you need to understand well the cycle, how the bearish and bullish happens. This will make you easily determine the best time to buy or sell the Bitcoin. Anyway, investing in top altcoins are also good. ETH, SOL, BNB, ADA, or other top altcoins are quite safe for short or long term. People sometimes wait for the altcoins season to sell these top altcoins. As far as I know, when it is in altcoins season, the top altcoins will skyrocket firstly.  ;)
Diversification is the key to maximize the profit when investing. Bitcoin is the best cryptocurrency to invest with in terms of its safety but since we all know that altcoins follow the trend of Bitcoin we should also invest in alts. Altcoins have a very big potential for you to be rich with just an ample of time, just choose the right coin to minimize the risk. I think it's good to invest 50% of your capital to Bitcoin and the other 50% to altcoins, it depends on you.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: smartaction on October 18, 2024, 02:44:53 PM

Of course. Bitcoin must be the first option, it is the priority of each crypto investor. It is a bit strange if there is someone who doesn't want to invest in Bitcoin. It is the safest crypto investment, we know well the price move of Bitcoin in 4 years-cycle. Bitcoin also has halving that can trigger the price move easily. It is different with altcoins that may have their own factors. But if we want to invest in top altcoins, I think it is quite safe, too.
My biggest investment in crypto is bitcoin, then top coins include Ethereum, BNB and Solana. for other coins are not as big as the ones I mentioned above. And bitcoin is always the top priority, of course almost all investors also consider bitcoin as the top priority to invest in crypto. If anyone thinks otherwise they may have other considerations, and of course everyone is free to determine which coin is their favorite.

I think Bitcoin is the best to invest in crypto. After Bitcoin, Ethereum and BNB are more popular for me. Among altcoins, there are some coins that have good profit potential to invest in, Ethereum and BNB.Those who have invested are expected to get good amount of profit in few days. If Bitcoin price increases then all altcoins will start to increase in price. Now we have to wait for Bitcoin price to increase.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Bobcrypto on October 18, 2024, 04:23:34 PM
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?

This three group of crypto enthusiast, traders, holder and investors are not the same.
Here are some of their differences.
Traders are those who buy or sell assets like cryptocurrency, stock, bond, fiat currencies in order to earn profit. Long term traders, are those who take trading assets as their occupation or profession.
Investors are in two categories; short and long term investors. short term investors are those who hold an asset for short period like 1year, while Long term investors are those who hold assets positions for a long term like 5 years or above.
Holders can also be considered to be another form of a short term investors but they hold an asset for a short positions of less than 6months hoping to sell once the market prices move up to certain levels. They hold assets for a short time to take advantage of rising prices.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: nakmantu99 on October 18, 2024, 05:02:40 PM


I think Bitcoin is the best to invest in crypto. After Bitcoin, Ethereum and BNB are more popular for me. Among altcoins, there are some coins that have good profit potential to invest in, Ethereum and BNB.Those who have invested are expected to get good amount of profit in few days. If Bitcoin price increases then all altcoins will start to increase in price. Now we have to wait for Bitcoin price to increase.
Bitcoin is the best and safest crypto for investment, I agree with this. because for those who have real world activities with their jobs they don't have time to always monitor the market, they can choose bitcoin to hold for the long term. BNB and ethereum are my second choices after bitcoin and I also have other potential altcoins to hold.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on October 18, 2024, 06:17:02 PM


I think Bitcoin is the best to invest in crypto. After Bitcoin, Ethereum and BNB are more popular for me. Among altcoins, there are some coins that have good profit potential to invest in, Ethereum and BNB.Those who have invested are expected to get good amount of profit in few days. If Bitcoin price increases then all altcoins will start to increase in price. Now we have to wait for Bitcoin price to increase.
Bitcoin is the best and safest crypto for investment, I agree with this. because for those who have real world activities with their jobs they don't have time to always monitor the market, they can choose bitcoin to hold for the long term. BNB and ethereum are my second choices after bitcoin and I also have other potential altcoins to hold.
Bitcoin is the main choice in investing, then we look for other options in altcoins, one of which is the coin you mentioned, namely ETH and BNB. But if we look at other coins that are more potential then that could also be an option.

Bitcoin will always be the main choice especially for me and DCA is the strategy I use to accumulate the amount of bitcoin in the wallet. This strategy is very helpful.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: MRY on October 19, 2024, 04:00:55 PM


I think Bitcoin is the best to invest in crypto. After Bitcoin, Ethereum and BNB are more popular for me. Among altcoins, there are some coins that have good profit potential to invest in, Ethereum and BNB.Those who have invested are expected to get good amount of profit in few days. If Bitcoin price increases then all altcoins will start to increase in price. Now we have to wait for Bitcoin price to increase.
Bitcoin is the best and safest crypto for investment, I agree with this. because for those who have real world activities with their jobs they don't have time to always monitor the market, they can choose bitcoin to hold for the long term. BNB and ethereum are my second choices after bitcoin and I also have other potential altcoins to hold.
Bitcoin is the main choice in investing, then we look for other options in altcoins, one of which is the coin you mentioned, namely ETH and BNB. But if we look at other coins that are more potential then that could also be an option.

Bitcoin will always be the main choice especially for me and DCA is the strategy I use to accumulate the amount of bitcoin in the wallet. This strategy is very helpful.
If we think that Bitcoin is the only investment option, then the DCA strategy we are using is indeed quite suitable to build up our position constantly without having to worry about intra daily price volatility. On the other hand it is still about Bitcoin it is possible to diversify and invest in altcoins that have huge potential. , but there are also other projects to consider that are still innovative regarding potential adoption in the future, besides Ethereum or Binance Coin. Consistency in our approach and persistence in assessing market trends will give a balance between sustained profits and other forms of growth.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on October 19, 2024, 04:18:22 PM
Bitcoin is the main choice in investing, then we look for other options in altcoins, one of which is the coin you mentioned, namely ETH and BNB. But if we look at other coins that are more potential then that could also be an option.

Bitcoin will always be the main choice especially for me and DCA is the strategy I use to accumulate the amount of bitcoin in the wallet. This strategy is very helpful.
If we think that Bitcoin is the only investment option, then the DCA strategy we are using is indeed quite suitable to build up our position constantly without having to worry about intra daily price volatility. On the other hand it is still about Bitcoin it is possible to diversify and invest in altcoins that have huge potential. , but there are also other projects to consider that are still innovative regarding potential adoption in the future, besides Ethereum or Binance Coin. Consistency in our approach and persistence in assessing market trends will give a balance between sustained profits and other forms of growth.
Yes, it is true that it requires persistence and patience in investing. The problem is that in investing in bitcoin we will need a long time to hold it, not a month or two because this may take years.

Seeking profit from altcoins is one way to make a profit in a faster time. And I usually use the profit from altcoins to buy bitcoins again. This is one that can be applied too, but any strategy will return to each of us.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: doc on October 19, 2024, 05:02:56 PM

Yes, it is true that it requires persistence and patience in investing. The problem is that in investing in bitcoin we will need a long time to hold it, not a month or two because this may take years.

Seeking profit from altcoins is one way to make a profit in a faster time. And I usually use the profit from altcoins to buy bitcoins again. This is one that can be applied too, but any strategy will return to each of us.
this is the same as what I do, I also use the profit from altcoin to buy bitcoin and I hold it for the long term, that's the reason I trade and when the market goes up I do scalping to get higher profits. although the profits I get are not big but with patience we can add to the collection of bitcoins in our wallet.
In investing and trading requires patience, especially if we decide to hold for the long term, this requires extra patience.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on October 20, 2024, 05:35:27 PM

Yes, it is true that it requires persistence and patience in investing. The problem is that in investing in bitcoin we will need a long time to hold it, not a month or two because this may take years.

Seeking profit from altcoins is one way to make a profit in a faster time. And I usually use the profit from altcoins to buy bitcoins again. This is one that can be applied too, but any strategy will return to each of us.
this is the same as what I do, I also use the profit from altcoin to buy bitcoin and I hold it for the long term, that's the reason I trade and when the market goes up I do scalping to get higher profits. although the profits I get are not big but with patience we can add to the collection of bitcoins in our wallet.
In investing and trading requires patience, especially if we decide to hold for the long term, this requires extra patience.
Yes, this strategy is a strategy that I have felt the benefits of myself. Everyone has their own strategy and this is just sharing experiences. There are many ways to do it, it depends on our comfort.

I also choose the more comfortable one because it will make me calmer. Because there are some strategies that are actually equally profitable, but I am not more comfortable doing them than what I am doing now.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: lombok on October 21, 2024, 04:27:16 PM

Yes, it is true that it requires persistence and patience in investing. The problem is that in investing in bitcoin we will need a long time to hold it, not a month or two because this may take years.

Seeking profit from altcoins is one way to make a profit in a faster time. And I usually use the profit from altcoins to buy bitcoins again. This is one that can be applied too, but any strategy will return to each of us.
this is the same as what I do, I also use the profit from altcoin to buy bitcoin and I hold it for the long term, that's the reason I trade and when the market goes up I do scalping to get higher profits. although the profits I get are not big but with patience we can add to the collection of bitcoins in our wallet.
In investing and trading requires patience, especially if we decide to hold for the long term, this requires extra patience.
Yes, this strategy is a strategy that I have felt the benefits of myself. Everyone has their own strategy and this is just sharing experiences. There are many ways to do it, it depends on our comfort.

I also choose the more comfortable one because it will make me calmer. Because there are some strategies that are actually equally profitable, but I am not more comfortable doing them than what I am doing now.
In investing, comfort and relaxing environment means controlling of uncertaintities and it is important to have that in order not to be disrupted in the long run. Thus, by choosing the strategy that will be comfortable for us, it side by side with providing psychological comfort also makes people confident in their decision. While there are many methods one can use to achieve a goal, relying on a technique already known to produce positive outcomes and one that aligns with a person’s needs will help make one more mentally sound. This goes showed that experience is a key factor that determine health and sustainable investment pattern.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: satpol_PP on October 21, 2024, 11:21:46 PM

Yes, this strategy is a strategy that I have felt the benefits of myself. Everyone has their own strategy and this is just sharing experiences. There are many ways to do it, it depends on our comfort.

I also choose the more comfortable one because it will make me calmer. Because there are some strategies that are actually equally profitable, but I am not more comfortable doing them than what I am doing now.
Choose a strategy that you feel comfortable doing and never force a strategy that you are not capable of and not focused on running. For example, you choose daily trading while you are busy in the real world that makes you unable to focus on monitoring the market, you should choose long-term hold. This will make you more focused on real-world work and occasionally look at the market.
I also adjust to that, because I also have a job in the real world. when my real-world busyness increases I am forced not to trade.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: enwi on October 22, 2024, 08:16:20 PM

Yes, this strategy is a strategy that I have felt the benefits of myself. Everyone has their own strategy and this is just sharing experiences. There are many ways to do it, it depends on our comfort.

I also choose the more comfortable one because it will make me calmer. Because there are some strategies that are actually equally profitable, but I am not more comfortable doing them than what I am doing now.
Choose a strategy that you feel comfortable doing and never force a strategy that you are not capable of and not focused on running. For example, you choose daily trading while you are busy in the real world that makes you unable to focus on monitoring the market, you should choose long-term hold. This will make you more focused on real-world work and occasionally look at the market.
I also adjust to that, because I also have a job in the real world. when my real-world busyness increases I am forced not to trade.
Selecting the strategy, which can fit our comfort and conditions, is one of the key moments in trading. This is especially the case when we come to understand the constraints put on us by time and focus: in such a case continuance to method such as the long term seems more proper as it will not interfere with the daily gross of business as this one does when we feel compelled to monitor the market very closely. Thus, it is possible to receive results in our main work while building a presence in the stock market. The five of us need to learn how to adapt to this is very important because we have our ways of how we do things in trading and the key here is to set a pace that will not stress each of us. As said nice is also recall that trading isn’t all about a blind pursuit of making money, it’s also about trying to figure out how to spend one’s time effectively.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on October 23, 2024, 04:18:19 PM

Yes, this strategy is a strategy that I have felt the benefits of myself. Everyone has their own strategy and this is just sharing experiences. There are many ways to do it, it depends on our comfort.

I also choose the more comfortable one because it will make me calmer. Because there are some strategies that are actually equally profitable, but I am not more comfortable doing them than what I am doing now.
Choose a strategy that you feel comfortable doing and never force a strategy that you are not capable of and not focused on running. For example, you choose daily trading while you are busy in the real world that makes you unable to focus on monitoring the market, you should choose long-term hold. This will make you more focused on real-world work and occasionally look at the market.
I also adjust to that, because I also have a job in the real world. when my real-world busyness increases I am forced not to trade.
We do have to adjust to the situation and conditions we experience. Don't force yourself just because you want to make a profit even though your situation doesn't allow it. That will make us feel a loss rather than a profit.

Don't rush because the market won't go anywhere, I mean we can take advantage of the market anytime and anywhere as long as we can master our knowledge and experience well.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: taufik123 on October 23, 2024, 08:23:10 PM
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Don't rush because the market won't go anywhere, I mean we can take advantage of the market anytime and anywhere as long as we can master our knowledge and experience well.
As long as you don't get tempted by FOMO and then enter at a high price.
Although the market will not go anywhere, it is important to regulate where you enter and where you exit.

Leveraging the market as you mean is taking advantage of market fluctuations to make a profit, It is a quick trade that can make it possible to make a quick profit.
But it also depends on whether you want to use any trading method.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on October 24, 2024, 03:01:28 PM
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Don't rush because the market won't go anywhere, I mean we can take advantage of the market anytime and anywhere as long as we can master our knowledge and experience well.
As long as you don't get tempted by FOMO and then enter at a high price.
Although the market will not go anywhere, it is important to regulate where you enter and where you exit.

Leveraging the market as you mean is taking advantage of market fluctuations to make a profit, It is a quick trade that can make it possible to make a quick profit.
But it also depends on whether you want to use any trading method.
Well FOMO is one of the problems for traders and investors. There are still many people like that, especially beginners. When they see someone making a profit, they will also enter without thinking twice, this is what ultimately makes them at a loss.

We can only remind you, because all decisions will return to each individual. This is also of course based on the experiences we have had before.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: taufik123 on October 24, 2024, 08:28:24 PM
Well FOMO is one of the problems for traders and investors. There are still many people like that, especially beginners. When they see someone making a profit, they will also enter without thinking twice, this is what ultimately makes them at a loss.
FOMO will indeed be a problem for anyone if they do not learn to remain patient and do market analysis.
Those who are too greedy to enter high prices in the hope that the price will continue to rise, even though it will only be the peak of price resistance which will then fall continuously.

I am also still learning to avoid FOMO as much as possible so that I will not suffer a bigger loss, everything must be learned correctly.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on October 25, 2024, 04:52:02 PM
Well FOMO is one of the problems for traders and investors. There are still many people like that, especially beginners. When they see someone making a profit, they will also enter without thinking twice, this is what ultimately makes them at a loss.
FOMO will indeed be a problem for anyone if they do not learn to remain patient and do market analysis.
Those who are too greedy to enter high prices in the hope that the price will continue to rise, even though it will only be the peak of price resistance which will then fall continuously.

I am also still learning to avoid FOMO as much as possible so that I will not suffer a bigger loss, everything must be learned correctly.
I am the same, because sometimes when we see the market situation is good but we are not in it, the urge to enter the market is very high, especially when we see other people making a profit.

This is a very normal thing, because as humans we will always feel such a great desire. However, it is our job to be able to control ourselves as best we can so that we are not tempted by something that is very high risk.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: doc on October 25, 2024, 11:53:11 PM
Well FOMO is one of the problems for traders and investors. There are still many people like that, especially beginners. When they see someone making a profit, they will also enter without thinking twice, this is what ultimately makes them at a loss.
FOMO will indeed be a problem for anyone if they do not learn to remain patient and do market analysis.
Those who are too greedy to enter high prices in the hope that the price will continue to rise, even though it will only be the peak of price resistance which will then fall continuously.

I am also still learning to avoid FOMO as much as possible so that I will not suffer a bigger loss, everything must be learned correctly.
I am the same, because sometimes when we see the market situation is good but we are not in it, the urge to enter the market is very high, especially when we see other people making a profit.

This is a very normal thing, because as humans we will always feel such a great desire. However, it is our job to be able to control ourselves as best we can so that we are not tempted by something that is very high risk.
Experience will make us not tempted but we must observe and make analysis if we see a good market and are interested in entering, because successful investors are those who can enter and exit on time.
so we can do everything if we can make accurate analysis and predictions.
and this is suitable for trading or short and medium term investment.
risk management is needed in this case, because we have to take the smallest risk.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: MRY on October 26, 2024, 06:44:53 AM
Experience will make us not tempted but we must observe and make analysis if we see a good market and are interested in entering, because successful investors are those who can enter and exit on time.
so we can do everything if we can make accurate analysis and predictions.
and this is suitable for trading or short and medium term investment.
risk management is needed in this case, because we have to take the smallest risk.
Well, Market analysis and accurate prediction are very crucial when it comes to trading and investment and experience or market time does not equal success. Novice investors lose their money because they are new to investing, while the most experienced investors can also suffer losses due to unanticipated change in markets or other global events that may have an impact on the general economy. It adds that between 80% and 90% lose money when engaging in active trading in the financial markets, principally due to high volatility, which is often unpredictable. Moreover, eradication of risk to its lowest level is unattainable, because the external factors exist irrespective of the efficient risk management and every investment may contain amount of risk no matter how efficient the management. This demonstrates that in addition to analysis, there is also requirement of comprehension of volatility and change.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Publictalk792 on October 26, 2024, 10:02:17 AM
Well, Market analysis and accurate prediction are very crucial when it comes to trading and investment and experience or market time does not equal success. Novice investors lose their money because they are new to investing, while the most experienced investors can also suffer losses due to unanticipated change in markets or other global events that may have an impact on the general economy. It adds that between 80% and 90% lose money when engaging in active trading in the financial markets, principally due to high volatility, which is often unpredictable. Moreover, eradication of risk to its lowest level is unattainable, because the external factors exist irrespective of the efficient risk management and every investment may contain amount of risk no matter how efficient the management. This demonstrates that in addition to analysis, there is also requirement of comprehension of volatility and change.
Market analysis and prediction are crucial for trading and investing. However they do not ensure success. And experienced investors also can not completely avoid risk due to unexpected market changes and global events. Fact that 80 to 90% of traders lose money shows how important it is to understand market ups and downs and be flexible.

Recognizing risks and uncertainties in trading and investing helps adopt smarter and more resilient approach. This balances analysis with adaptability increasing chances of success.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: milewilda on October 26, 2024, 11:48:10 AM
Well FOMO is one of the problems for traders and investors. There are still many people like that, especially beginners. When they see someone making a profit, they will also enter without thinking twice, this is what ultimately makes them at a loss.
FOMO will indeed be a problem for anyone if they do not learn to remain patient and do market analysis.
Those who are too greedy to enter high prices in the hope that the price will continue to rise, even though it will only be the peak of price resistance which will then fall continuously.

I am also still learning to avoid FOMO as much as possible so that I will not suffer a bigger loss, everything must be learned correctly.
I am the same, because sometimes when we see the market situation is good but we are not in it, the urge to enter the market is very high, especially when we see other people making a profit.

This is a very normal thing, because as humans we will always feel such a great desire. However, it is our job to be able to control ourselves as best we can so that we are not tempted by something that is very high risk.
Sooner or later you would really be able to make those kind of realizations and would really be that finding out that emotion control is really that needed.
Finding yourself having that kind of engagement with volatile market and sees out other people making profits. It cant really be that removed out that
there would really be those urges on which you would really be that trying out to copy on what they have achieved. It is really that depending on you
on what are the methods that you would be making use as long you do know on how to handle your investments.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: SmartGold01 on October 26, 2024, 12:36:48 PM

Yes, this strategy is a strategy that I have felt the benefits of myself. Everyone has their own strategy and this is just sharing experiences. There are many ways to do it, it depends on our comfort.

I also choose the more comfortable one because it will make me calmer. Because there are some strategies that are actually equally profitable, but I am not more comfortable doing them than what I am doing now.
Choose a strategy that you feel comfortable doing and never force a strategy that you are not capable of and not focused on running. For example, you choose daily trading while you are busy in the real world that makes you unable to focus on monitoring the market, you should choose long-term hold. This will make you more focused on real-world work and occasionally look at the market.
I also adjust to that, because I also have a job in the real world. when my real-world busyness increases I am forced not to trade.
We do have to adjust to the situation and conditions we experience. Don't force yourself just because you want to make a profit even though your situation doesn't allow it. That will make us feel a loss rather than a profit.

Don't rush because the market won't go anywhere, I mean we can take advantage of the market anytime and anywhere as long as we can master our knowledge and experience well.
Even though someone would implore trading methods that would help them it should be that they carefully study it and have patient over it because most time that is were traders faces difficulties because of lack of patient, to study and understand the market very well before implementing that strategy to trade with it and if possible backtesting would be more appropriate for successful trading.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: bhadz on October 26, 2024, 01:06:54 PM
I consider investors and holders as the same type. Long term traders are completely different from the two. If you want to be an investor, you can simply hold the assets or crypto that you have bought. Whereas being a long term trader, you can speak for the futures with this and as you trade it's a decision to do long or short. That's my understanding with the long term traders because if you only say long term, then all of the three are the same with removed word of "trader".
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: ajiz138 on October 26, 2024, 01:56:35 PM
I am the same, because sometimes when we see the market situation is good but we are not in it, the urge to enter the market is very high, especially when we see other people making a profit.

This is a very normal thing, because as humans we will always feel such a great desire. However, it is our job to be able to control ourselves as best we can so that we are not tempted by something that is very high risk.
Experience will make us not tempted but we must observe and make analysis if we see a good market and are interested in entering, because successful investors are those who can enter and exit on time.
so we can do everything if we can make accurate analysis and predictions.
and this is suitable for trading or short and medium term investment.
risk management is needed in this case, because we have to take the smallest risk.
That is the lesson we can learn that we may not be able to get from anywhere else, namely experience. With experience we can better understand what we should do when we are in a situation like this.

Experience will lead us to be able to suppress the great desire that may come from our greed when we see someone getting a big profit from the market they enter. You are right, that we must be able to enter and exit at the right time.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on October 26, 2024, 02:25:23 PM
       -      We all know that you will not be long-term traders and holders if we are not a type of investor. Unless you are a bounty hunter who has received bounty rewards,
you cannot be considered an investor, but you can shop if you are a long-term trader or holder of crypto assets that we received in a campaign project.

Or it is also possible that if the rewards we received from the bounty projects are once we can sell them in trading, we can buy other crypto assets
in which we are already investors.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: nakmantu99 on October 26, 2024, 02:59:05 PM
       -      We all know that you will not be long-term traders and holders if we are not a type of investor. Unless you are a bounty hunter who has received bounty rewards,
you cannot be considered an investor, but you can shop if you are a long-term trader or holder of crypto assets that we received in a campaign project.

Or it is also possible that if the rewards we received from the bounty projects are once we can sell them in trading, we can buy other crypto assets
in which we are already investors.
I am a holder and trader, so can I be considered an investor? because I am more focused on long-term holding and trading in altcoin.
I only follow bounties when I have time to make posts, so I am not a bounty hunter because while I am making posts I am learning and looking for new information on the forum.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: debra on October 26, 2024, 09:58:43 PM
Diversification is the key to maximize the profit when investing. Bitcoin is the best cryptocurrency to invest with in terms of its safety but since we all know that altcoins follow the trend of Bitcoin we should also invest in alts. Altcoins have a very big potential for you to be rich with just an ample of time, just choose the right coin to minimize the risk. I think it's good to invest 50% of your capital to Bitcoin and the other 50% to altcoins, it depends on you.
True. Diversification will make us to get profits from some coins. If we diversify in some potential coins, we may get optimum profits from some coins, not only one coin. In this way, we surely get bigger profits, especially if we are investing in the coins that can increase hundred percentages. This also minimize the risks, because we have some option of coins. Even if we lose in 1 coin, we still have other coins. But we must remember to invest in more recommended coins only.

Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: dekafee79 on October 26, 2024, 10:17:17 PM
Diversification is the key to maximize the profit when investing. Bitcoin is the best cryptocurrency to invest with in terms of its safety but since we all know that altcoins follow the trend of Bitcoin we should also invest in alts. Altcoins have a very big potential for you to be rich with just an ample of time, just choose the right coin to minimize the risk. I think it's good to invest 50% of your capital to Bitcoin and the other 50% to altcoins, it depends on you.
True. Diversification will make us to get profits from some coins. If we diversify in some potential coins, we may get optimum profits from some coins, not only one coin. In this way, we surely get bigger profits, especially if we are investing in the coins that can increase hundred percentages. This also minimize the risks, because we have some option of coins. Even if we lose in 1 coin, we still have other coins. But we must remember to invest in more recommended coins only.
I always diversify coins, I hold some potential coins and trade with some potential coins, all the coins I have are top coins because the risk is lower. even though I diversify many coins I still choose potential coins and are in the top 20 coins.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: malah on October 27, 2024, 05:33:34 AM
I always diversify coins, I hold some potential coins and trade with some potential coins, all the coins I have are top coins because the risk is lower. even though I diversify many coins I still choose potential coins and are in the top 20 coins.
This is a wise decision to apply diversification in your coin portfolio. As you are already aware due to our positional advantages with hold and trade, the risks which may be encountered can be significantly minimized. This way we can be more sure in changing market and still looking for the opportunities among promising coins among the top coins. This proves that we shall maintain the aspect of careful and strategic investment.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: rizqillah on October 29, 2024, 09:35:46 PM
I always diversify coins, I hold some potential coins and trade with some potential coins, all the coins I have are top coins because the risk is lower. even though I diversify many coins I still choose potential coins and are in the top 20 coins.
This is a wise decision to apply diversification in your coin portfolio. As you are already aware due to our positional advantages with hold and trade, the risks which may be encountered can be significantly minimized. This way we can be more sure in changing market and still looking for the opportunities among promising coins among the top coins. This proves that we shall maintain the aspect of careful and strategic investment.
Diversification will always be the choice of a trader and investor because Settiap Coin has different characteristics and we as a trader will find it difficult to predict the market if there is bad news or other reasons that suddenly make the market correction. And the opportunity to get a profit will be more bessar if we diversify the coins we use for trading ..
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Axcel777 on October 30, 2024, 11:00:37 PM
I always diversify coins, I hold some potential coins and trade with some potential coins, all the coins I have are top coins because the risk is lower. even though I diversify many coins I still choose potential coins and are in the top 20 coins.
This is a wise decision to apply diversification in your coin portfolio. As you are already aware due to our positional advantages with hold and trade, the risks which may be encountered can be significantly minimized. This way we can be more sure in changing market and still looking for the opportunities among promising coins among the top coins. This proves that we shall maintain the aspect of careful and strategic investment.
Diversification will always be the choice of a trader and investor because Settiap Coin has different characteristics and we as a trader will find it difficult to predict the market if there is bad news or other reasons that suddenly make the market correction. And the opportunity to get a profit will be more bessar if we diversify the coins we use for trading ..
Diversification helps us tackle market risks because, as we have seen, each coin tends to behave in response to market needs. This helps to minimize the prospect if there are forthcoming problems due to news or other changes on the market.

Also, diversification creates more opportunities for making profit. Because we are using more than one types of coins in trading, we have more options to gain positive outcomes in every changing market environment.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: sampoerna on October 30, 2024, 11:09:03 PM
Diversification will always be the choice of a trader and investor because Settiap Coin has different characteristics and we as a trader will find it difficult to predict the market if there is bad news or other reasons that suddenly make the market correction. And the opportunity to get a profit will be more bessar if we diversify the coins we use for trading ..
Indeed, diversification is one of the important factors in trading or investment. We can map out which coins are worth it and have the potential for long-term trading, which is much safer, such as Bitcoin of course and some top coins. However, there are also altcoins that are suitable for short-term, and also some new coins that are indeed very potential for trading, it's just that this is riskier. But the point is, we can optimize the chances at every opportunity that exists, as long as we have the knowledge and can apply it, then we can choose and sort out which coins have the potential to be that good for diversification.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: MRY on October 31, 2024, 04:44:31 AM
Indeed, diversification is one of the important factors in trading or investment. We can map out which coins are worth it and have the potential for long-term trading, which is much safer, such as Bitcoin of course and some top coins. However, there are also altcoins that are suitable for short-term, and also some new coins that are indeed very potential for trading, it's just that this is riskier. But the point is, we can optimize the chances at every opportunity that exists, as long as we have the knowledge and can apply it, then we can choose and sort out which coins have the potential to be that good for diversification.
The aspect of trading and investment is mainly based on diversification which alongside helps in selecting proper coins for the specified goals whether long term with top performing coins such as BTC or short term with possibly although unlikely inferior altcoins. Only a single category of its coins offered a favorable environment for us to capitalize on its growth.

Enough knowledge allows to determine which coins are promising. Appropriate application of knowledge becomes more efficient when we already have enough of it to diversify the opportunities in order to optimise the results.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: 21Pilots on October 31, 2024, 12:36:30 PM
Indeed, diversification is one of the important factors in trading or investment. We can map out which coins are worth it and have the potential for long-term trading, which is much safer, such as Bitcoin of course and some top coins. However, there are also altcoins that are suitable for short-term, and also some new coins that are indeed very potential for trading, it's just that this is riskier. But the point is, we can optimize the chances at every opportunity that exists, as long as we have the knowledge and can apply it, then we can choose and sort out which coins have the potential to be that good for diversification.
The aspect of trading and investment is mainly based on diversification which alongside helps in selecting proper coins for the specified goals whether long term with top performing coins such as BTC or short term with possibly although unlikely inferior altcoins. Only a single category of its coins offered a favorable environment for us to capitalize on its growth.

Enough knowledge allows to determine which coins are promising. Appropriate application of knowledge becomes more efficient when we already have enough of it to diversify the opportunities in order to optimise the results.
It simply means we can select popular coins that we need for long-term keeping, like BTC, or less-known coins with potential to grow and that can be useful for short-term investments. Such insights help us estimate the profitable coin categories and, therefore, have a greater probability of maximum growth.

If people are well informed, they can easily look into the areas with high returns and control risks prone to happen. Appropriate use of this knowledge entails the realization of improved and meSPAM BANble efficiency in every step of investment.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on October 31, 2024, 02:53:40 PM
Diversification is the key to maximize the profit when investing. Bitcoin is the best cryptocurrency to invest with in terms of its safety but since we all know that altcoins follow the trend of Bitcoin we should also invest in alts. Altcoins have a very big potential for you to be rich with just an ample of time, just choose the right coin to minimize the risk. I think it's good to invest 50% of your capital to Bitcoin and the other 50% to altcoins, it depends on you.
True. Diversification will make us to get profits from some coins. If we diversify in some potential coins, we may get optimum profits from some coins, not only one coin. In this way, we surely get bigger profits, especially if we are investing in the coins that can increase hundred percentages. This also minimize the risks, because we have some option of coins. Even if we lose in 1 coin, we still have other coins. But we must remember to invest in more recommended coins only.
I always diversify coins, I hold some potential coins and trade with some potential coins, all the coins I have are top coins because the risk is lower. even though I diversify many coins I still choose potential coins and are in the top 20 coins.

      -     Almost the majority of us in this forum are doing diversification in the assets that we hold for long-term because that is what we see as profitable in the long run. Now if we know something about day trading, that is even more advantageous. to us.

This is really the safest thing we do long-term, and many people do it until now, especially if we wait for every cycle of the bull run season, to be honest, because it is proven and tested for us.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: $crypto$ on October 31, 2024, 04:43:12 PM
Diversification will always be the choice of a trader and investor because Settiap Coin has different characteristics and we as a trader will find it difficult to predict the market if there is bad news or other reasons that suddenly make the market correction. And the opportunity to get a profit will be more bessar if we diversify the coins we use for trading ..
Indeed, diversification is one of the important factors in trading or investment. We can map out which coins are worth it and have the potential for long-term trading, which is much safer, such as Bitcoin of course and some top coins. However, there are also altcoins that are suitable for short-term, and also some new coins that are indeed very potential for trading, it's just that this is riskier. But the point is, we can optimize the chances at every opportunity that exists, as long as we have the knowledge and can apply it, then we can choose and sort out which coins have the potential to be that good for diversification.
This is one of the ways that many people do, they divide their capital into several coins that are expected to make them profit from all the coins they enter.

This method is also considered safe for me, because when one coin experiences a loss while the other coins experience a profit, then mentally we will not panic too much. We just need to wait until the coin that is being invested turns around and makes us profit.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: jeraldskie11 on October 31, 2024, 06:16:40 PM
Diversification will always be the choice of a trader and investor because Settiap Coin has different characteristics and we as a trader will find it difficult to predict the market if there is bad news or other reasons that suddenly make the market correction. And the opportunity to get a profit will be more bessar if we diversify the coins we use for trading ..
Indeed, diversification is one of the important factors in trading or investment. We can map out which coins are worth it and have the potential for long-term trading, which is much safer, such as Bitcoin of course and some top coins. However, there are also altcoins that are suitable for short-term, and also some new coins that are indeed very potential for trading, it's just that this is riskier. But the point is, we can optimize the chances at every opportunity that exists, as long as we have the knowledge and can apply it, then we can choose and sort out which coins have the potential to be that good for diversification.
This is one of the ways that many people do, they divide their capital into several coins that are expected to make them profit from all the coins they enter.

This method is also considered safe for me, because when one coin experiences a loss while the other coins experience a profit, then mentally we will not panic too much. We just need to wait until the coin that is being invested turns around and makes us profit.
Yeah, not only it is the safest to do but also the most profitable one. Not all coins have the increase of price, some will only increase 10% and others are 100% or more. You can't really tell exactly which coin will increase 100% and which are not. That's why the diversification is a really effective strategy that is being used by many investors since then, and by doing this you can benefit the bull run really well.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: satpol_PP on November 01, 2024, 04:03:42 AM

Yeah, not only it is the safest to do but also the most profitable one. Not all coins have the increase of price, some will only increase 10% and others are 100% or more. You can't really tell exactly which coin will increase 100% and which are not. That's why the diversification is a really effective strategy that is being used by many investors since then, and by doing this you can benefit the bull run really well.
I agree with you, In  investing we are not only looking for safe but look for more profitable coins. Because not all coins give profits. Diversify to get profits, by collecting many coins we can get more profit opportunities .
Choose the top coins and are safer and give us a greater opportunity for
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: jeraldskie11 on November 01, 2024, 07:13:12 AM

Yeah, not only it is the safest to do but also the most profitable one. Not all coins have the increase of price, some will only increase 10% and others are 100% or more. You can't really tell exactly which coin will increase 100% and which are not. That's why the diversification is a really effective strategy that is being used by many investors since then, and by doing this you can benefit the bull run really well.
I agree with you, In  investing we are not only looking for safe but look for more profitable coins. Because not all coins give profits. Diversify to get profits, by collecting many coins we can get more profit opportunities .
Choose the top coins and are safer and give us a greater opportunity for
Yeah, and I think it's better to invest only in the top altcoins. I know that there are legit in a very volatile coins or new coins but sometimes you are mistaken. We thought that it can easily go higher when Bitcoin goes up, but it's not, just like what we are experiencing now. We noticed that most of the time top altcoins will increase when Bitcoin's price goes up.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: $crypto$ on November 01, 2024, 01:40:09 PM
This is one of the ways that many people do, they divide their capital into several coins that are expected to make them profit from all the coins they enter.

This method is also considered safe for me, because when one coin experiences a loss while the other coins experience a profit, then mentally we will not panic too much. We just need to wait until the coin that is being invested turns around and makes us profit.
Yeah, not only it is the safest to do but also the most profitable one. Not all coins have the increase of price, some will only increase 10% and others are 100% or more. You can't really tell exactly which coin will increase 100% and which are not. That's why the diversification is a really effective strategy that is being used by many investors since then, and by doing this you can benefit the bull run really well.
This is also important, when we hear other people's experiences about the strategies used, we will start to learn the strategy, the same as this diversification.

Previously, many people may have only invested in one coin, but after hearing other people's experiences, they will start to change their strategy by doing the same thing. This is why it is also very important to share experiences with others.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: jeraldskie11 on November 01, 2024, 02:58:24 PM
This is one of the ways that many people do, they divide their capital into several coins that are expected to make them profit from all the coins they enter.

This method is also considered safe for me, because when one coin experiences a loss while the other coins experience a profit, then mentally we will not panic too much. We just need to wait until the coin that is being invested turns around and makes us profit.
Yeah, not only it is the safest to do but also the most profitable one. Not all coins have the increase of price, some will only increase 10% and others are 100% or more. You can't really tell exactly which coin will increase 100% and which are not. That's why the diversification is a really effective strategy that is being used by many investors since then, and by doing this you can benefit the bull run really well.
This is also important, when we hear other people's experiences about the strategies used, we will start to learn the strategy, the same as this diversification.

Previously, many people may have only invested in one coin, but after hearing other people's experiences, they will start to change their strategy by doing the same thing. This is why it is also very important to share experiences with others.
Knowledge is not enough to become profitable here in crypto worlds, we also need experiences to tell if it really works. But sometimes, it's not good to rely only their experiences because we really don't know how they execute their knowledge on the market. I observed that there are people who are good at communicating but not in doing it. You must have to test it by yourself before you can say that he is right.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: rizqillah on November 01, 2024, 08:06:10 PM
This is one of the ways that many people do, they divide their capital into several coins that are expected to make them profit from all the coins they enter.

This method is also considered safe for me, because when one coin experiences a loss while the other coins experience a profit, then mentally we will not panic too much. We just need to wait until the coin that is being invested turns around and makes us profit.
Yeah, not only it is the safest to do but also the most profitable one. Not all coins have the increase of price, some will only increase 10% and others are 100% or more. You can't really tell exactly which coin will increase 100% and which are not. That's why the diversification is a really effective strategy that is being used by many investors since then, and by doing this you can benefit the bull run really well.
This is also important, when we hear other people's experiences about the strategies used, we will start to learn the strategy, the same as this diversification.

Previously, many people may have only invested in one coin, but after hearing other people's experiences, they will start to change their strategy by doing the same thing. This is why it is also very important to share experiences with others.
Knowledge is not enough to become profitable here in crypto worlds, we also need experiences to tell if it really works. But sometimes, it's not good to rely only their experiences because we really don't know how they execute their knowledge on the market. I observed that there are people who are good at communicating but not in doing it. You must have to test it by yourself before you can say that he is right.
We always look for knowledge and experience in Crypto because that will make us successful in investing. Because the lack of knowledge makes us wrong to make analysis and prediction and experience will help us to control emotions and make good strategies.
Many people experience defeat and losses because they do not have knowledge and experience.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: debra on November 01, 2024, 10:08:11 PM
I always diversify coins, I hold some potential coins and trade with some potential coins, all the coins I have are top coins because the risk is lower. even though I diversify many coins I still choose potential coins and are in the top 20 coins.
It is good that you diversify your assets with some coins. Yes, it is a wise way to hold some coins and trade some coins. In this way, you can get extra benefits from trading, you don't solely rely on investment only. I agree that the top 2 coins will be the best option for investment, it is good for trading. But for trading, I think you need to consider the coins that have higher volatility. This rises the chance to get fast profits.

Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: rizqillah on November 02, 2024, 06:19:02 AM
I always diversify coins, I hold some potential coins and trade with some potential coins, all the coins I have are top coins because the risk is lower. even though I diversify many coins I still choose potential coins and are in the top 20 coins.
It is good that you diversify your assets with some coins. Yes, it is a wise way to hold some coins and trade some coins. In this way, you can get extra benefits from trading, you don't solely rely on investment only. I agree that the top 2 coins will be the best option for investment, it is good for trading. But for trading, I think you need to consider the coins that have higher volatility. This rises the chance to get fast profits.
In trading, we should choose coins with high volatility, but we must be careful with the risk because the coin with the highest volatility is the meme coin, this is very risky. I prefer to buy coins and trade with coins that are relatively low volatility and safe, I still choose the top 20 coins for my trading on binance.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: $crypto$ on November 02, 2024, 03:03:33 PM
This is also important, when we hear other people's experiences about the strategies used, we will start to learn the strategy, the same as this diversification.

Previously, many people may have only invested in one coin, but after hearing other people's experiences, they will start to change their strategy by doing the same thing. This is why it is also very important to share experiences with others.
Knowledge is not enough to become profitable here in crypto worlds, we also need experiences to tell if it really works. But sometimes, it's not good to rely only their experiences because we really don't know how they execute their knowledge on the market. I observed that there are people who are good at communicating but not in doing it. You must have to test it by yourself before you can say that he is right.
Of course we can't just do what others do, we also have to look deeper into what others share with us. I just said the outline above without giving a detailed explanation.

And when I have to explain in detail, I will also say the same thing as what you said. because when we only hear and then execute it, then that is not wise either. Because it requires further analysis so as not to step on the wrong path.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: JISAN on November 02, 2024, 03:25:07 PM
I always diversify coins, I hold some potential coins and trade with some potential coins, all the coins I have are top coins because the risk is lower. even though I diversify many coins I still choose potential coins and are in the top 20 coins.
It is good that you diversify your assets with some coins. Yes, it is a wise way to hold some coins and trade some coins. In this way, you can get extra benefits from trading, you don't solely rely on investment only. I agree that the top 2 coins will be the best option for investment, it is good for trading. But for trading, I think you need to consider the coins that have higher volatility. This rises the chance to get fast profits.
In trading, we should choose coins with high volatility, but we must be careful with the risk because the coin with the highest volatility is the meme coin, this is very risky. I prefer to buy coins and trade with coins that are relatively low volatility and safe, I still choose the top 20 coins for my trading on binance.
Trading holding or investment are all good. An expert on that subject should do that. to do well in this competitive world and live a luxurious life depending on only one source of income cannot fulfill this dream. Which is why I support crypto holdings the most. Because in this case you will only buy the potential coins in the market and hold them for a long time, you will not spend any extra time here. And that time you can earn money from other business jobs or any other source. so holding is best. In this case, one can always be relaxed and can make a good amount of profit from here
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: rizqillah on November 03, 2024, 01:23:54 PM

Trading holding or investment are all good. An expert on that subject should do that. to do well in this competitive world and live a luxurious life depending on only one source of income cannot fulfill this dream. Which is why I support crypto holdings the most. Because in this case you will only buy the potential coins in the market and hold them for a long time, you will not spend any extra time here. And that time you can earn money from other business jobs or any other source. so holding is best. In this case, one can always be relaxed and can make a good amount of profit from here
I also agree with crypto holding because it is safer and not as risky as trading. In holding we buy when the price is still cheap and hold it for the long term, we don't need to always monitor the market because we already know when we are targeting to sell our coins.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: Rubel007 on November 03, 2024, 05:47:13 PM

Trading holding or investment are all good. An expert on that subject should do that. to do well in this competitive world and live a luxurious life depending on only one source of income cannot fulfill this dream. Which is why I support crypto holdings the most. Because in this case you will only buy the potential coins in the market and hold them for a long time, you will not spend any extra time here. And that time you can earn money from other business jobs or any other source. so holding is best. In this case, one can always be relaxed and can make a good amount of profit from here
I also agree with crypto holding because it is safer and not as risky as trading. In holding we buy when the price is still cheap and hold it for the long term, we don't need to always monitor the market because we already know when we are targeting to sell our coins.
If a trader does not know trading then he cannot expect to profit from it. But when a holder has a little knowledge about the holding, it is possible to make a huge profit. If a holder buys only Bitcoins without doing market analysis or constantly tracking up-to-date information, he can definitely get more returns in the long run. Various reasons can affect the market, but those holders who avoid these issues do not have any negative impact on them.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: dekafee79 on November 04, 2024, 08:51:41 PM

Trading holding or investment are all good. An expert on that subject should do that. to do well in this competitive world and live a luxurious life depending on only one source of income cannot fulfill this dream. Which is why I support crypto holdings the most. Because in this case you will only buy the potential coins in the market and hold them for a long time, you will not spend any extra time here. And that time you can earn money from other business jobs or any other source. so holding is best. In this case, one can always be relaxed and can make a good amount of profit from here
I also agree with crypto holding because it is safer and not as risky as trading. In holding we buy when the price is still cheap and hold it for the long term, we don't need to always monitor the market because we already know when we are targeting to sell our coins.
If a trader does not know trading then he cannot expect to profit from it. But when a holder has a little knowledge about the holding, it is possible to make a huge profit. If a holder buys only Bitcoins without doing market analysis or constantly tracking up-to-date information, he can definitely get more returns in the long run. Various reasons can affect the market, but those holders who avoid these issues do not have any negative impact on them.
Long-term holders need free funds to do so, because they only continue to buy when bearish and hold for the long term without monitoring the market which takes time to analyze, long-term holders are not affected by market movements that sometimes correct, they only focus on holding. And this is a profitable thing if you have free funds to do it.
Title: Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
Post by: MRY on November 07, 2024, 11:33:46 AM
Long-term holders need free funds to do so, because they only continue to buy when bearish and hold for the long term without monitoring the market which takes time to analyze, long-term holders are not affected by market movements that sometimes correct, they only focus on holding. And this is a profitable thing if you have free funds to do it.
Indeed, long term investing does take time and disposable capital, because we can always rebuy assets when the market is in a dip without worrying about our overall capital fluctuation. In that way, being free of stress from short fluctuations of prices, we have the chance to get the most form this long term approach when the market will start to recover.