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Title: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 02, 2024, 11:46:43 PM
I don't see any UFC dedicated topic so starting this one.
It's a shameless copy of tokeweed's successful bitcointalk thread (one of my favourites), hopefully it'll get some traction despite the Gambling Discussion board not being super active.

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This topic is dedicated to the discussion of anything related to the UFC including upcoming fights, odds and predictions (it's a gambling board after all).

Current rankings and weight classes: https://www.ufc.com/rankings
Events and fights (upcoming): http://ufcstats.com/statistics/events/upcoming
MMA/UFC odds: https://www.oddschecker.com/us/boxing-mma/ufc-mma

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on January 03, 2024, 01:51:07 PM
I didn't know Strickland vs Du Plessis is happening this month. Their viral brawl was a great way to market this event and I cannot wait for their pre-fight conference ;D I think Du Plessis is the better all-around fighter but I'm still rooting for Strickland. Sean earned a lot of respect because of how he dismantled Adesanya and I think it's better for the division if he holds on to the belt longer.

Fight trailer
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjSx2y4gTq8
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: jesuschrist! on January 03, 2024, 08:01:19 PM
Yeeep sherdogers coming in.

Du Plessis will be defeated even in the press con.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on January 03, 2024, 08:43:30 PM
tokeweed UFC thread stretches to almost 600 pages already and its still the busiest thread up to this day.

the latest FN schedule is Ankalaev vs. Walker 2. they deserved this since the first ended to somewhat very questionable. the referee just stop the fight when Walker answers in the desert when questioned where he was. this time they are in the UFC Apex at least.


UFC Fight Night: Ankalaev vs. Walker 2

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Ankalaev_vs._Walker_2

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 04, 2024, 12:00:56 AM
the latest FN schedule is Ankalaev vs. Walker 2. they deserved this since the first ended to somewhat very questionable. the referee just stop the fight when Walker answers in the desert when questioned where he was. this time they are in the UFC Apex at least.

To me it looked like Walker was fit to fight, but was hoping for an easy win by disqualification. That didn't happen and the fight was declared as no contest instead.
I think Ankalaev will run him over this time. The bookies agree. Although I'm not a big fan of neither of them.

I didn't know Strickland vs Du Plessis is happening this month. Their viral brawl was a great way to market this event and I cannot wait for their pre-fight conference ;D I think Du Plessis is the better all-around fighter but I'm still rooting for Strickland. Sean earned a lot of respect because of how he dismantled Adesanya and I think it's better for the division if he holds on to the belt longer.

Yup. On 21st.
It's going to be an even fight. Sean has better cardio for sure, but DDP is stronger and has a knock-out power.
Strickland is more entertaining so the UFC is probably hoping for him to win. He probably got a massive confidence boost after winning the belt from Adesanya, which will work in his favour.
I like both of them - let the better man win.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on January 04, 2024, 04:21:26 PM
the latest FN schedule is Ankalaev vs. Walker 2. they deserved this since the first ended to somewhat very questionable. the referee just stop the fight when Walker answers in the desert when questioned where he was. this time they are in the UFC Apex at least.

To me it looked like Walker was fit to fight, but was hoping for an easy win by disqualification. That didn't happen and the fight was declared as no contest instead.
I think Ankalaev will run him over this time. The bookies agree. Although I'm not a big fan of neither of them.


he would have won if the timing was right like Aljamain did to Petre Yan. but before that knee he tried to tease Ankalaev so the guy did his full throttle.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 05, 2024, 12:21:21 AM
he would have won if the timing was right like Aljamain did to Petre Yan. but before that knee he tried to tease Ankalaev so the guy did his full throttle.

Nah, as far as I know, it should've been a disqualification. An illegal knee is an illegal knee. But the referee/UFC were too scared to go against the Muslim audience.
Sure, one could argue that Yan's knee was more intentional etc, but we all know the truth.


Anyhow, thoughts on McGregor's (not yet officially confirmed) announcement of the fight with Chandler at 185 in June?

https://twitter.com/thenotoriousmma/status/1741033599510667650

Chandler's responses:
https://twitter.com/MikeChandlerMMA/status/1741523866810229221
https://twitter.com/MikeChandlerMMA/status/1741544149227049413
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on January 05, 2024, 03:26:23 PM


Michael Chandler interview with ESPN MMA about his fight with Conor McGregor on Middleweight.

he waited this long for this, he didn't fight for a long time but he is sure off their fight to happen on  June 29.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 05, 2024, 10:15:31 PM
Michael Chandler interview with ESPN MMA about his fight with Conor McGregor on Middleweight.

he waited this long for this, he didn't fight for a long time but he is sure off their fight to happen on  June 29.

Thanks for sharing. Chandler sounds very confident as expected. He played it nicely saying that he's 100% that the fight will happen on 29th June because Conor always sticks to his word. Now if McGregor pulls out or tries to push it back, it'll make him look bad and dishonourable.
The first odds (DraftKings) are in and are slightly favouring McGregor to win, but I don't see it this way, I think Chandler will win it quite easily.
https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/event/conor-mcgregor-vs-michael-chandler/29906392
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on January 09, 2024, 01:09:34 AM
Thanks for sharing. Chandler sounds very confident as expected. He played it nicely saying that he's 100% that the fight will happen on 29th June because Conor always sticks to his word. Now if McGregor pulls out or tries to push it back, it'll make him look bad and dishonourable.
Would you please give us some real fights UFC?  ::)
McGregor in 2024 is old overrated guy and he should better get a new job of official UFC mascot, that is the only reason Dana White is keeping him in roster ;D
I dont think he has a chance against Chandler, but maybe he is going to create another incident or promotion for his other business, he is good in doing that.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 09, 2024, 11:20:47 PM
Would you please give us some real fights UFC?  ::)
McGregor in 2024 is old overrated guy and he should better get a new job of official UFC mascot, that is the only reason Dana White is keeping him in roster ;D
I dont think he has a chance against Chandler, but maybe he is going to create another incident or promotion for his other business, he is good in doing that.

I think so too, McGregor has had that "retired" vibe for quite some time now. He's not yet that old, but he changed a lot. Even listening to his interviews, he seemed to have lost his biggest asset - trash talk abilities.
But as long as there's demand, UFC will be milking that cow, and I don't really mind it.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on January 10, 2024, 11:06:22 PM
I think so too, McGregor has had that "retired" vibe for quite some time now. He's not yet that old, but he changed a lot. Even listening to his interviews, he seemed to have lost his biggest asset - trash talk abilities.
But as long as there's demand, UFC will be milking that cow, and I don't really mind it.
McGregor is 35 years now, that is not anymore young and hungry fighter like he was once upon a time.
Dana and UFC can milk him for few more fights, and I am sure they are going to offer him some other job in company maybe as commentator.
He lost all my respect after his poor performance and bad behavior against Khabib.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on January 11, 2024, 09:01:59 AM
I think so too, McGregor has had that "retired" vibe for quite some time now. He's not yet that old, but he changed a lot. Even listening to his interviews, he seemed to have lost his biggest asset - trash talk abilities.
But as long as there's demand, UFC will be milking that cow, and I don't really mind it.
McGregor is 35 years now, that is not anymore young and hungry fighter like he was once upon a time.
Dana and UFC can milk him for few more fights, and I am sure they are going to offer him some other job in company maybe as commentator.
He lost all my respect after his poor performance and bad behavior against Khabib.

35yo can still fight but Conor however has cracked leg.  one cracked leg couldn't stand half his body weight. he will keep his guard on this leg preventing him to carry out offense. when Anderson Silva had this situation, he wasn't the same. his come back fight failed though out the end of his career.

Conor still want to fight though and of course Dana as businessman wanted to give the best UFC fights.  fans still wanted to see Conor though. we wanna see him trashtalk just like Chandler said, he'd gain fights and fans not because of his MMA skills but his mouth.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on January 11, 2024, 02:13:48 PM
Few days to go before the Ankalaev vs. Walker 2. I also think Ankalaev would win this but let's see if he approaches the fight cautiously this time. Hopefully, the illegal knee won't affect how he fights. Is there other fighter we should look out for in this card?

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35yo can still fight but Conor however has cracked leg.  one cracked leg couldn't stand half his body weight.
I'm tempted to say he's also on crack ;D He looks so different now maybe because of the stuffs he snorts or injects (whatever the case may be).
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 12, 2024, 12:01:38 AM
35yo can still fight but Conor however has cracked leg.  one cracked leg couldn't stand half his body weight. he will keep his guard on this leg preventing him to carry out offense. when Anderson Silva had this situation, he wasn't the same. his come back fight failed though out the end of his career.

I think his leg is properly fixed now, I'm sure he had the best possible medical care. The problem is, he most likely used steroids to speed up the recovery process, and that changed him a lot. He almost looks and even talks like a different person.

Few days to go before the Ankalaev vs. Walker 2. I also think Ankalaev would win this but let's see if he approaches the fight cautiously this time. Hopefully, the illegal knee won't affect how he fights. Is there other fighter we should look out for in this card?

Ankalaev was seriously pissed off at Walker for not wanting to continue the last time around. So he'll probably want to rip his head off. I expect him to be aggressive from the start.

It's just a Fight Night event, so no huge names on the main card:
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Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on January 12, 2024, 07:46:50 PM
Ankalaev was seriously pissed off at Walker for not wanting to continue the last time around. So he'll probably want to rip his head off. I expect him to be aggressive from the start.
I cant see any other outcome other than Ankalaev winning this fight in dominant way.
This card dont have many big name fighters and I looked at calendar for next few events, it is the same situation.
UFC 300 event is something I really want to watch but that is few months away in April  :P
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 13, 2024, 02:03:32 PM
I cant see any other outcome other than Ankalaev winning this fight in dominant way.
This card dont have many big name fighters and I looked at calendar for next few events, it is the same situation.
UFC 300 event is something I really want to watch but that is few months away in April  :P

They've just added 2 fights to the UFC 300 main card: Cody Garbrandt Vs. Deiveson Figueiredo and Weili Zhang Vs. YanXiaonan. But I think I'm looking forward more to UFC 297 Sean Strickland Vs. Dricus Du Plessis or UFC 298 Alexander Volkanovski Vs. IliaTopuria.
There will surely be a lot of good fights before the UFC 300.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on January 13, 2024, 11:11:14 PM
They've just added 2 fights to the UFC 300 main card: Cody Garbrandt Vs. Deiveson Figueiredo and Weili Zhang Vs. YanXiaonan. But I think I'm looking forward more to UFC 297 Sean Strickland Vs. Dricus Du Plessis or UFC 298 Alexander Volkanovski Vs. IliaTopuria.
There will surely be a lot of good fights before the UFC 300.
I think it is a bad decision to make this main event of the card, but Dana White is slowly making UFC into Titanic sinking ship  :P
From this same card UC300 I really want to see Jiri Prochazka fight against Aleksandar Rakic.
Both of this fighters had serious injuries so it is  going to be interesting how they will comeback after that.
Stakes and big and winner of this fight could soon face champion Alex Pereira.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on January 14, 2024, 02:00:43 PM
Ankalaev won as we expected but I'm disappointed with how Walker went out after all that showing at the end of the first round. He kept circling to the left and then as if he walked right into Analaev's right hand. I guess his last name Walker is there for good reason ;D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on January 14, 2024, 06:07:02 PM

his name lives up. the spinning back fist is just not working and he can't also strike straight because he'd likely be open for offense from Ankalaev. Johnny never attempted to take down nor just keep kicking the legs  so he can throw jabs after. 

when Ankalaev caught his kick the first time, the light bulb brightens. he already anticipated to catch it again and he was willing to take a hit from that kick just to catch it. there were already rumors the next fight for Ankalaev will be Poatan. this will be a big fight, maybe Ankalaev will be KOed.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 14, 2024, 11:21:39 PM
Ankalaev won as we expected but I'm disappointed with how Walker went out after all that showing at the end of the first round. He kept circling to the left and then as if he walked right into Analaev's right hand. I guess his last name Walker is there for good reason ;D

He was kind of funny (especially his reaction to Ankalaev's illegal kick to the groin), but looked desperate at the same time. It didn't look like he had any real strategy for that fight and was pulling all the stunts hoping that would somehow work.

The fight's highlights for those who haven't seen it (only 5 mins long):
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on January 15, 2024, 11:47:58 PM
Next up is UFC 297 with main even Strickland vs Du Plessis.
This is fight for Middleweight Championship and I think small things will decide winner in this fight.
Strickland is favorite but I expected lower odds on him after he defeated Adesanya few months ago.
This is not easy one to predict and rest of the fights on this card are similar.


Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 16, 2024, 06:58:47 PM
Next up is UFC 297 with main even Strickland vs Du Plessis.
This is fight for Middleweight Championship and I think small things will decide winner in this fight.
Strickland is favorite but I expected lower odds on him after he defeated Adesanya few months ago.
This is not easy one to predict and rest of the fights on this card are similar.

I have a feeling Du Plessis will be taking the belt from Sean. But from more logical approach, Sean's defence is pretty solid when he stays focussed and has a better cardio, so that's a slight advantage. The problem is both like to be the aggressive ones who keep pressing forward. If that happens, the risk of brawl increases, which benefits Du Plessis more. So the question is: will Sean be able to stay on the outside and play the long game?
It's pretty much a 50/50 fight, that's what makes it interesting. I can't wait.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on January 16, 2024, 07:35:09 PM
Next up is UFC 297 with main even Strickland vs Du Plessis.
This is fight for Middleweight Championship and I think small things will decide winner in this fight.
Strickland is favorite but I expected lower odds on him after he defeated Adesanya few months ago.
This is not easy one to predict and rest of the fights on this card are similar.

I have a feeling Du Plessis will be taking the belt from Sean. But from more logical approach, Sean's defence is pretty solid when he stays focussed and has a better cardio, so that's a slight advantage. The problem is both like to be the aggressive ones who keep pressing forward. If that happens, the risk of brawl increases, which benefits Du Plessis more. So the question is: will Sean be able to stay on the outside and play the long game?
It's pretty much a 50/50 fight, that's what makes it interesting. I can't wait.

when it comes to boxing, Sean is superior against Du Plessis.  they fight for 5 rounds standing and Sean will still have the stamina to carry out his strikes. he could do the same approach with Izzy to defend his title.

what could go wrong however is that Du Plessis can take him down which Du Plessis could dominate in the end. he was the first to have hyped to fight Izzy until Sean put himself in the picture. that was the time they both start trash talking  then.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on January 16, 2024, 11:14:17 PM
when it comes to boxing, Sean is superior against Du Plessis.  they fight for 5 rounds standing and Sean will still have the stamina to carry out his strikes. he could do the same approach with Izzy to defend his title.
I didnt watch Du Plessis fighting so far, and I think he is going to have harder time adapting to Canadian weather and different time zone from South Africa.
Looking a his stats it is clear that is better with submission game, he is few years younger than Strickland, and I dont expect this fight to last all five rounds.
Another fight worth watching is Movsar Evloev vs Arnold Allen, to see if Evloev can continue his perfect 17-0 record.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 16, 2024, 11:51:28 PM
when it comes to boxing, Sean is superior against Du Plessis.  they fight for 5 rounds standing and Sean will still have the stamina to carry out his strikes. he could do the same approach with Izzy to defend his title.

what could go wrong however is that Du Plessis can take him down which Du Plessis could dominate in the end. he was the first to have hyped to fight Izzy until Sean put himself in the picture. that was the time they both start trash talking  then.

Du Plessis is known to be a very awkward guy to fight against. He might not seem like a great striker as he moves a bit unconventionally, but he has been very effective in his striking so far.
I remember him knocking out Roberto Soldic back in his KSW days, when he was in his early 20s. Soldic was a phenomenal striker and was undefeated, but yet, DDP managed to KO him (he lost the rematch though).
As for the ground game - I don't know. Strickland has a wrestling background and allegedly has a very good takedown defence and both seem to prefer striking, so we might not see any ground action at all.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on January 17, 2024, 08:46:55 PM
when it comes to boxing, Sean is superior against Du Plessis.  they fight for 5 rounds standing and Sean will still have the stamina to carry out his strikes. he could do the same approach with Izzy to defend his title.

what could go wrong however is that Du Plessis can take him down which Du Plessis could dominate in the end. he was the first to have hyped to fight Izzy until Sean put himself in the picture. that was the time they both start trash talking  then.

Du Plessis is known to be a very awkward guy to fight against. He might not seem like a great striker as he moves a bit unconventionally, but he has been very effective in his striking so far.
I remember him knocking out Roberto Soldic back in his KSW days, when he was in his early 20s. Soldic was a phenomenal striker and was undefeated, but yet, DDP managed to KO him (he lost the rematch though).
As for the ground game - I don't know. Strickland has a wrestling background and allegedly has a very good takedown defence and both seem to prefer striking, so we might not see any ground action at all.

looks like its one of the highlight of his career. i don't follow DDP but i just watched that fight, he can box and he caught Soldic in the open while carrying out his offense.  the hit comes out of the blue. but  DDP was winning in the first round, almost rare naked choke.

DDP brings out the worse of Sean with his crying about daddy issues. Sean will make mistakes in the cage, he loses his control recently just want to attack DDP anywhere.  if he wins, his celebration though will quickly end once he learns his next fight is Pereira.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 17, 2024, 11:11:42 PM
DDP brings out the worse of Sean with his crying about daddy issues. Sean will make mistakes in the cage, he loses his control recently just want to attack DDP anywhere.  if he wins, his celebration though will quickly end once he learns his next fight is Pereira.

DDP hit the nerve there, but I don't think they hate each other, quite the opposite, they seem to have a lot of mutual respect. Sean might have made some death threats but that's just what he does.

Here are the video from the press conference. Sean did not disappoint:
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And here's Dricus' one:
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 19, 2024, 12:02:28 AM
I just watched a live pre-fight conference. Strickland said it was never personal and they both shook hands on the agreement to fight to the death or something. It was nice and respectful  ;D

In terms of odds, I'm leaning towards DDP now. Strickland made it clear that he's going there to brawl and will keep pressing forward, which is not a smart tactic for him. Dricus is visibly much bigger and stronger than him so he should be focussing on utilising his cardio advantage. Hopefully, his team will talk some sense into him before the fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on January 19, 2024, 10:29:59 PM
I just watched a live pre-fight conference. Strickland said it was never personal and they both shook hands on the agreement to fight to the death or something. It was nice and respectful  ;D
It is going to be hot MMA night in cold Toronto  ;D
I hear that winter this year is colder and maybe that wont be ideal condition for Dricus Du Plessis, that is my main reason to go with Strickland winning this fight.
It is much harder to defend the title than to win it for the first time, so I am giving Strickland only a small advantage.
Odds are good I think.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 20, 2024, 11:38:42 AM
It is going to be hot MMA night in cold Toronto  ;D
I hear that winter this year is colder and maybe that wont be ideal condition for Dricus Du Plessis, that is my main reason to go with Strickland winning this fight.
It is much harder to defend the title than to win it for the first time, so I am giving Strickland only a small advantage.
Odds are good I think.

I'm sure they have heating in the arena and the hotel so Dricus should be fine  ;D
What I'm worried about is that the fight could be over in the first round. If both go all out from the start, the possibility of a quick KO is high, and that would be a shame. I hope Sean's team talk some sense into him and make him be more tactical.
Odds look fine now, pretty much 50/50 with DDP being a slight favourite. This changed from few weeks ago when bookies favoured Strickland.


Here's the main card for the event:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/20/3xOKa.png)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on January 21, 2024, 11:53:13 AM
So there's a new middleweight champ as Du Plessis defeated Strickland via split decision. How did you see the fight? Looking at the official scorecard, it was the third round that made the difference or it could have been unanimous (2 judges - DDP, 1 judge - SS). Honestly, I didn't think it was going to be a decision but this is a perfect setup for a rematch. What do you think?
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on January 21, 2024, 08:02:07 PM
So there's a new middleweight champ as Du Plessis defeated Strickland via split decision. How did you see the fight? Looking at the official scorecard, it was the third round that made the difference or it could have been unanimous (2 judges - DDP, 1 judge - SS). Honestly, I didn't think it was going to be a decision but this is a perfect setup for a rematch. What do you think?

with the way they fight, i would not give them the chance to fight again if i were Dana. they excite people with their trash talks as if they are about to bite each others ears and then the result was like two kids tickling each other. but now that Dana was also showing some doubts that it was Sean who won then maybe there is a chance.

but i think Dana will bring back Adesanya to fight Sean and then DDP after it to which UFC 300 will have a golden canvass.  ;D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on January 22, 2024, 03:02:33 PM
So there's a new middleweight champ as Du Plessis defeated Strickland via split decision. How did you see the fight? Looking at the official scorecard, it was the third round that made the difference or it could have been unanimous (2 judges - DDP, 1 judge - SS). Honestly, I didn't think it was going to be a decision but this is a perfect setup for a rematch. What do you think?

with the way they fight, i would not give them the chance to fight again if i were Dana. they excite people with their trash talks as if they are about to bite each others ears and then the result was like two kids tickling each other. but now that Dana was also showing some doubts that it was Sean who won then maybe there is a chance.

but i think Dana will bring back Adesanya to fight Sean and then DDP after it to which UFC 300 will have a golden canvass.  ;D
Yeah, it was a cautious and calculated fight.

I would rather see Sean take the title back in a rematch and then face Adesanya for the defense. Dana doesn't look too happy with the winner's announcement but I think he'll be good with any fight among these three within the year.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 22, 2024, 07:05:24 PM
So there's a new middleweight champ as Du Plessis defeated Strickland via split decision. How did you see the fight? Looking at the official scorecard, it was the third round that made the difference or it could have been unanimous (2 judges - DDP, 1 judge - SS). Honestly, I didn't think it was going to be a decision but this is a perfect setup for a rematch. What do you think?

Great fight imo. Pretty much what everyone was expecting, except Du Plessis didn't gas out in the championship rounds. He looked tired as hell from round 2 but kept going anyway. It looked like Sean didn't press the gas pedal soon enough and let himself lose rounds, especially round 3, which turned out to be a deciding one. Maybe he should've gone for a few takedowns himself.
As always, whenever there's a split decision, people are crying that Strickland got robbed etc, but I don't see it this way. I was rooting for Sean but Dricus was more dominating was causing more damage.

Full scorecard:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/21/kd8C2.png)

Rematch? I wouldn't mind that at all.

but i think Dana will bring back Adesanya to fight Sean and then DDP after it to which UFC 300 will have a golden canvass.  ;D

Adesanya Vs DDP would be a fight that makes most sense right now. That aren't that many options for DDP, maybe unless Pereira wants to come back down to the middleweight or if Chimaev will get a chance (if he's fit to fight)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on January 22, 2024, 11:26:23 PM
I'm sure they have heating in the arena and the hotel so Dricus should be fine  ;D
Yes, he was hot and won the fight with split decision, but I think that he wont hold the belt for much longer.
This is perfect scenario for Adesanya to come back and win against Dricus, but I heard some people including Dana thinks that Strickland won the fight.
UFC middleweight division needs some fresh blood and new fighters to make it more interesting.

 
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 22, 2024, 11:43:17 PM
UFC middleweight division needs some fresh blood and new fighters to make it more interesting.

Middleweight is currently one of the most exciting divisions in the UFC, second only to the lightweight. Both Strickland and Du Plessis are quite new to top so not quite the "old blood" yet. Plus, with the possible return of Adesanya and Chimaev on the horizon, things can get really interesting.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on January 22, 2024, 11:59:59 PM
Middleweight is currently one of the most exciting divisions in the UFC, second only to the lightweight. Both Strickland and Du Plessis are quite new to top so not quite the "old blood" yet. Plus, with the possible return of Adesanya and Chimaev on the horizon, things can get really interesting.
Not for me it isnt, and I was not impressed with last main event at all.
It was interesting when Adesanya was fighting with Alex Pereira, but he now moved to light heavyweight division.
Compared to midleweight division I like light heavyweight division much more, with Pereira, Hill, Prochazka, Ankalaev, Rakic, Błachowicz, and others.
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Post by: pawel7777 on January 25, 2024, 07:58:10 PM
OK, so apparently, according to Tom Aspinall, the UFC had plans to match him and Stipe for the UFC 300 in April, but Stipe turned it down.
Shame, because it would be an interesting fight, but we all know who will win it and so does Stipe.
I can't really blame Stipe though, he probably has one more fight in him, so will be going for the most profitable option available. And if he loses to Jones, he could still be matched with Aspinall later, but if he was to lose to Tom, Jones will not want to fight him anymore.

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/tom-aspinall-stipe-miocic-ufc300-31958493
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"While we are talking about Stipe Miocic, my manager was contacted by the UFC asking if I’d like to fight him on April 13th," Aspinall tweeted. "I, of course, accepted. A little while later we were told that Stipe doesn’t want to fight me, and he is only interested in fighting Jones.
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Post by: notblox1 on January 26, 2024, 12:14:32 AM
For all UFC and MMA fans I have to post this trailer here, and I like that altcoinstalks forum have preview for youtube videos.
You can see Connor McGregor changing carrier and becoming professional actor in new movie Road House  ;D
I hope he wont forget to fight , but maybe Dana White keeps him in roster only for promotion and stuff like this.



OK, so apparently, according to Tom Aspinall, the UFC had plans to match him and Stipe for the UFC 300 in April, but Stipe turned it down.
Shame, because it would be an interesting fight, but we all know who will win it and so does Stipe.
They promised him Jon Jones, so I would not accept replacement in his place.
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Post by: pawel7777 on January 27, 2024, 12:12:55 PM
They promised him Jon Jones, so I would not accept replacement in his place.

They promised him Jon Jones in November, but that didn't materialise. What usually happens when one fighter gets injured is that another one jumps in to fill his spot. We rarely see fights just being postponed by a year or so, as the MMA scene is very dynamic, things change quickly and it could be pointless to push back a fight by that long.
But again, I understand why Miocic doesn't want to fight Aspinall. It's just unfair to Tom who did everything right and is still uncertain if he'll ever get the fight to unify interim and undisputed belts.
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Post by: Zed0X on January 27, 2024, 12:49:33 PM
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But again, I understand why Miocic doesn't want to fight Aspinall. It's just unfair to Tom who did everything right and is still uncertain if he'll ever get the fight to unify interim and undisputed belts.
Yeah, he's in a complicated situation right now. I think it was a mistake on the part of Dana and the UFC to offer the interim belt during the Aspinall fight. It should be these two fighters that should be unifying the belt but then there's also the promise to Stipe. Dana can't just strip Jones if his recovery takes longer and he cannot force Stipe either.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 27, 2024, 03:51:39 PM
Yeah, he's in a complicated situation right now. I think it was a mistake on the part of Dana and the UFC to offer the interim belt during the Aspinall fight. It should be these two fighters that should be unifying the belt but then there's also the promise to Stipe. Dana can't just strip Jones if his recovery takes longer and he cannot force Stipe either.

But no one has broken a promise to Stipe. He was contracted to fight Jones in November, but Jones dropped out due to injury, those things just happen sometimes, it's part of the sport. This does not mean that Stipe was promised to fight Jones in any later date.
The entire purpose of interim belts is to fill a void for when the undisputed champ is out due to injury, with the notion that he will be fighting interim champ straight after the recovery. But this won't be the case here.
So what happens if Stipe somehow manages to beat Jones, will he get the belt? This creates a weird situation when one weight class has two parallel belts in existence.
The fair solution would be to make Jon fight Tom and if Jon refuses, he should be stripped of his belt.
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Post by: electronicash on January 27, 2024, 08:49:35 PM
Yeah, he's in a complicated situation right now. I think it was a mistake on the part of Dana and the UFC to offer the interim belt during the Aspinall fight. It should be these two fighters that should be unifying the belt but then there's also the promise to Stipe. Dana can't just strip Jones if his recovery takes longer and he cannot force Stipe either.

But no one has broken a promise to Stipe. He was contracted to fight Jones in November, but Jones dropped out due to injury, those things just happen sometimes, it's part of the sport. This does not mean that Stipe was promised to fight Jones in any later date.
The entire purpose of interim belts is to fill a void for when the undisputed champ is out due to injury, with the notion that he will be fighting interim champ straight after the recovery. But this won't be the case here.
So what happens if Stipe somehow manages to beat Jones, will he get the belt? This creates a weird situation when one weight class has two parallel belts in existence.
The fair solution would be to make Jon fight Tom and if Jon refuses, he should be stripped of his belt.

it is not fair to Tom though. Jamahal was stripped when he got injured. If Tom the champ right now, he may be scheduled to fight already if not to Stipe probably a rematch with Blaydes before UFC 300. if Jones will not come back after the number of weeks, i think a decision has to be make already.

so many potential fights that is speculated to happen:

Ankalev vs Pereira
Adesanya Vs DDP

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 28, 2024, 10:51:13 PM
There are some rumours about McGregor Vs Chandler fighting at the UFC 300 in April, all seem to be stemmed from McGregor's tweet:

https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1751103834401730884
"McGregor on 300 seals the deal."

With Chandler responding with:
https://twitter.com/MikeChandlerMMA/status/1751136622098485759
"I accept 🤝 See you soon @TheNotoriousMMA #ufc300"

To me, this is nothing more than teasing, aimed at keeping the interest in the fight alive.
I don't see the UFC going for that though. They won't be throwing everything they got into that one event and it's probably not enough time to build enough hype.
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Post by: notblox1 on January 29, 2024, 02:08:15 PM
There are some rumours about McGregor Vs Chandler fighting at the UFC 300 in April, all seem to be stemmed from McGregor's tweet
I saw they are now saying it is not going to be UFC300 but UFC302 event, but nothing is officially confirmed yet.
UFC300 is already to crowded with so many amazing fights and I think McGregor would ruin this event with his strange behavior and seeking of attention.
I would pick Chandler to win but both of them are old and rusty fighters.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 04, 2024, 01:13:58 PM
Posting the results from yesterday's UFC FIGHT NIGHT: DOLIDZE VS. IMAVOV:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/04/vnwd2.png)

In the main event, Imanov, who was ranked 11th in the Middleweight before that fight got a win by decision over Roman Dolidze (ranked 8th).
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 04, 2024, 01:14:42 PM
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Post by: electronicash on February 04, 2024, 08:16:51 PM
Posting the results from yesterday's UFC FIGHT NIGHT: DOLIDZE VS. IMAVOV:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/04/vnwd2.png)

In the main event, Imanov, who was ranked 11th in the Middleweight before that fight got a win by decision over Roman Dolidze (ranked 8th).

despite the point deduction Imavov won. its a crazy fight  and lots of pounding, i never thought it would end in a decision. Imavov i think is ready to fight the top 5 in the MW.

there are two better fights that end in what was expected like the Radtke and Brown's win.
Radtke doesn't have a nice record but after knocking Urbina is such perfect left, i could say he will be my next bet whoever is his next opponent.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 05, 2024, 12:28:40 AM
despite the point deduction Imavov won. its a crazy fight  and lots of pounding, i never thought it would end in a decision. Imavov i think is ready to fight the top 5 in the MW.

there are two better fights that end in what was expected like the Radtke and Brown's win.
Radtke doesn't have a nice record but after knocking Urbina is such perfect left, i could say he will be my next bet whoever is his next opponent.

Haven't seen those yet, but just watched Moicano Vs Dober.

That was a truly great fight, both of them put on a good show and did not disappoint.
Drew looked better in the stand-up but he also has a solid wrestling background, so wasn't too afraid of them. Unluckily for him, Moicano turned out to be even better on the ground and snatched the victory by decision.
Both are unlucky to be fighting in the Lightweight, which is currently the best weight-class packed with stars. If not for that, they would be ranked much higher than they are right now. I hope Dober doesn't lose his 15th spot in the ranking.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on February 05, 2024, 08:26:31 PM
I think UFC fight making stuff has become much worse than before.
We have many average or boring events, they cant agree on future fight cards, they announce fights before signing contracts and they do all type of shit.
Just look what they are doing with UFC300 and with UFC299 changing it, removing fights and making a mess.
I am looking at next event for this weekend and it must be one of the more boring MMA events I saw in a long time :P
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 07, 2024, 12:19:49 AM
I think UFC fight making stuff has become much worse than before.
We have many average or boring events, they cant agree on future fight cards, they announce fights before signing contracts and they do all type of shit.
Just look what they are doing with UFC300 and with UFC299 changing it, removing fights and making a mess.
I am looking at next event for this weekend and it must be one of the more boring MMA events I saw in a long time :P

It's impossible to maintain the same level of hype/excitement for a long period of time. Things will get boring, then interesting, then boring again - it comes in waves  ;D
The next event is just a fight night, so much lower profile - a chance for lesser-known fighters to have their 5 minutes. But the UFC 298 is less than 2 weeks from now. Volkanovski Vs Topuria is guaranteed to be a good fight.
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Post by: electronicash on February 07, 2024, 09:37:03 PM
despite the point deduction Imavov won. its a crazy fight  and lots of pounding, i never thought it would end in a decision. Imavov i think is ready to fight the top 5 in the MW.

there are two better fights that end in what was expected like the Radtke and Brown's win.
Radtke doesn't have a nice record but after knocking Urbina is such perfect left, i could say he will be my next bet whoever is his next opponent.

Haven't seen those yet, but just watched Moicano Vs Dober.

That was a truly great fight, both of them put on a good show and did not disappoint.
Drew looked better in the stand-up but he also has a solid wrestling background, so wasn't too afraid of them. Unluckily for him, Moicano turned out to be even better on the ground and snatched the victory by decision.
Both are unlucky to be fighting in the Lightweight, which is currently the best weight-class packed with stars. If not for that, they would be ranked much higher than they are right now. I hope Dober doesn't lose his 15th spot in the ranking.

Dober did prevent some takedowns and even over turned. both have wresting background but if Moicano does have the KO punch, it wouldn't have to go distance and the fight ends in less than 3 rounds.  Dober has KO power, he isn't however in control of the fight.

UFC is having troubles in planning which fighter to fight on the next event. but they are making it a big hype for ufc 300. some are saying the main event would be Pereira vs Aspinall.  Dana already confuse to the suggestions.

(https://i.imgur.com/oR8haag.gif)

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Post by: pawel7777 on February 07, 2024, 11:42:41 PM
Does anybody have any recent news re UFC 300? Google search is showing some weird things for Gaethje Vs Holloway. It's not clear if the fight is confirmed or canceled.
I must be quite behind as I had no clue they were matched against each other

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/07/v3Lkz.png)

(...) some are saying the main event would be Pereira vs Aspinall.  Dana already confuse to the suggestions.

At first I laughed and said No Way. But on the second thought, why not? Both would take that fight in a blink if the money is right. Alex wouldn't be risking anything other than health and Tom is stuck with no good opponent in sight, patiently waiting for either Jones or Stipe.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on February 08, 2024, 01:12:46 AM
But the UFC 298 is less than 2 weeks from now. Volkanovski Vs Topuria is guaranteed to be a good fight.
I am not so sure about it.
Volkanovski is not the same fighter after he lost from Makhachev two times, and he is much older than Topuria.
This is going to be more mental fight for both and my prediction is another average fight with five rounds.
For Topuria this is the first big fight and I am not sure he is ready yet, but I would like to be wrong about this.

Does anybody have any recent news re UFC 300?
Yes.
Dana White made a mess  ;D
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 09, 2024, 06:04:26 PM
I am not so sure about it.
Volkanovski is not the same fighter after he lost from Makhachev two times, and he is much older than Topuria.
This is going to be more mental fight for both and my prediction is another average fight with five rounds.
For Topuria this is the first big fight and I am not sure he is ready yet, but I would like to be wrong about this.

Depends on how you look at things. I don't see anything wrong in fights going to distance.
Nothing is guaranteed in this world, but Ilia is very aggressive and has a great early-finish rate and Alex has will be super motivated as he's got something to prove. Volk is still undefeated in the UFC's featherweight and he only lost to a bigger and stronger guy who happens to be considered a pound-for-pound champion.
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Post by: notblox1 on February 10, 2024, 12:53:33 AM
Depends on how you look at things. I don't see anything wrong in fights going to distance.
Nothing is guaranteed in this world, but Ilia is very aggressive and has a great early-finish rate and Alex has will be super motivated as he's got something to prove. Volk is still undefeated in the UFC's featherweight and he only lost to a bigger and stronger guy who happens to be considered a pound-for-pound champion.
I think they are both good fighters but Volk is doing some good mental games and I think he has advantage this time.
Volkanovski made a funny new video with one casino before his fight against Topuria  ;D
We are going to see if he is too old like people say or not:

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 11, 2024, 07:00:10 PM
Quick update on results from last night's UFC Fight Night event:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/11/v511l.png)

In the main events, Hermansson defeated Pyfer and Ige defeated Fili.
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Post by: notblox1 on February 12, 2024, 11:57:21 PM
In the main events, Hermansson defeated Pyfer and Ige defeated Fili.
Give me some real fights please  ;D
After series of boring events there is finally one that I am interested to watch with Volkanovski vs Topuria.
There is a story behind main event, old vs young, and there are other interesting fights on that same card, Whittaker vs Cost is one of them.
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 14, 2024, 12:07:39 AM
Give me some real fights please  ;D

Don't shoot the messenger  ;D

Hermansson vs Pyfer was not a bad fight though. The underdog (Hermansson) managed to grab a win. The age difference between them is the same as with Volk and Topuria, yet the "old man" had his hand raised.

After series of boring events there is finally one that I am interested to watch with Volkanovski vs Topuria.
There is a story behind main event, old vs young, and there are other interesting fights on that same card, Whittaker vs Cost is one of them.

Yup. 298 is happening this weekend. Full main card:

Featherweight: Alexander Volkanovski vs. Ilia Topuria
Middleweight: Robert Whittaker vs. Paulo Costa            
Welterweight: Geoff Neal   vs. Ian Machado Garry            
Bantamweight: Merab Dvalishvili vs. Henry Cejudo            
Middleweight: Anthony Hernandez vs. Roman Kopylov

Current odds Volkanovski vs Topuria: 1.72 and 2.12 respectively
for Whittaker vs Costa: 1.45 and 2.80, which could be a surprise to some, given that Costa has only 2 losses in his record and won his last fight, while Whittaker lost to Du Plessis. But this probably reflects Costa recovering from an injury and being inactive since Aug 2022.

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Post by: electronicash on February 14, 2024, 08:34:50 PM

Middleweight: Anthony Hernandez vs. Roman Kopylov - looks like an easy win for  Kopylov anything you can add to the list that seem obvious?

Topuria looks invincible and have been choking his opponents and he can also KO them. i'm just unsure if he could do it to Volkanovski. but i'm gonna add Dvalishvili in a $2  multibet.

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Whittaker
Dvalishvili
Topuria
Kopylov

could i win this?
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Post by: notblox1 on February 14, 2024, 11:43:34 PM
It is always good to watch UFC Countdown new episode before each event.
I have to go early with Volkanovski in main event, and I think that Whittaker is going to fight much smarter than Costa in co-main event.
One fight I am not sure about winner is Henry Cejudo vs Merab Dvalishvili, but I would give slight advantage to Dvalishvili.

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Post by: pawel7777 on February 15, 2024, 12:21:33 AM
Middleweight: Anthony Hernandez vs. Roman Kopylov - looks like an easy win for  Kopylov (...)

Why do you think it'll be an easy fight for Kopylov? He's actually an underdog in this fight with x2.8 odds. I don't know much about either of them so have no opinion.


(...)but i'm gonna add Dvalishvili in a $2  multibet.

Quote
Whittaker
Dvalishvili
Topuria
Kopylov

could i win this?

Again, I don't know much about Kopylov, but Topuria and Dvalishvili seem to be good picks.
As for Whittaker, I have a feeling that Costa could surprise him. People don't take Paolo seriously due to how he acts on social media etc, but he can fight and can go for 5 rounds.
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Post by: electronicash on February 15, 2024, 06:23:50 AM

i was just looking at Kopylov's fights on youtube and his records which he has high KO rate. as long as he isn't caught up in a ground fight, he has good TD defense and so he can hurt Hernandez. he probably can do this by KO or decision. if the later, its a bit worrisome since by wearing him out, Hernandez could take the fight to the ground.

i think Dvalishvili is a better fighter, if he defeated Yan who is also a great striker than Cejudo, he could also beat Cejudo.
I think i might be going for Gary too.

I also have doubts to Whitetaker and Tuporia so maybe just 3 parley, maybe just increase the amount. i have very little coins to spend. its bull time.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 16, 2024, 12:31:15 AM
i was just looking at Kopylov's fights on youtube and his records which he has high KO rate. as long as he isn't caught up in a ground fight, he has good TD defense and so he can hurt Hernandez. he probably can do this by KO or decision. if the later, its a bit worrisome since by wearing him out, Hernandez could take the fight to the ground.

Fair enough. Kopylov is on a 4 wins streak, all by KO/TKO, but he had lost 2 fights before that and he hasn't yet fought any top fighter. Hernandez is also on 4 wins streak, so it could be an interesting fight. From what I know, it's a 50/50 fight, so x2.90 for Kopylov is a good value bet.


As for Volk Vs Topuria, I'm having second thoughts here and I think Alex will actually win it. I've seen his recent interviews and he seems unaffected by the last loss to Islam, looks mentally strong and has his head in the right place, while Topuria us getting too cocky with declaring himself a champion before the fight. It's almost like he's masking some insecurities with faked confidence, but I could be wrong.
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Post by: Zed0X on February 16, 2024, 05:33:44 PM
The UFC 298 recent presser was one of the most interesting one to me. Volk sure knows how to play the mind games and I think he won the verbal exchange. Topuria's trash talks looks forced. I think Volk will be successful in humbling the younger fighter.

Costa waking up the old Volk was also funny.
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 16, 2024, 11:22:14 PM
The UFC 298 recent presser was one of the most interesting one to me. Volk sure knows how to play the mind games and I think he won the verbal exchange. Topuria's trash talks looks forced. I think Volk will be successful in humbling the younger fighter.

Costa waking up the old Volk was also funny.

Yeah, it was definitely a mental win for Alex. Topuria looked confused and didn't know how to act, so he went a full retard and just decided to be offensive towards Volk and the public. But not even in a witty or funny way, but more of a childish and primitive. Some say he's trying to copy McGregor, but to me, he looks a bit insecure. English not being his first language doesn't help either.
I was rooting for Topuria at first, but now I hope Volk will humble him down.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on February 16, 2024, 11:26:20 PM
Justin Tafa was removed from upcoming UFC card against Marcos Rogerio de Lima because of the injury, but his younger brother Junior Tafa is going to replace him.
This is big advantage and chance for his opponent to win in this fight, and I am expecting someone to win with KO in this heavyweight fight.
Odds are not bad for De Lima:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-298-volkanovski-vs-topuria/de-lima-marcos-rogerio-vs-tafa-junior-65cfd64026cfeb0001e437d8
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Post by: Zed0X on February 18, 2024, 12:52:12 PM
Well, I didn't see that one coming. It's a good thing that the new champ was able to back it up and KO the old Volk.

Whittaker vs. Costa was a great fight. I think this is also because it's only three rounds where both fighters can do it at a high pace.

Henry Cejudo is done.
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 18, 2024, 07:46:18 PM
Well, I didn't see that one coming. It's a good thing that the new champ was able to back it up and KO the old Volk.

Yup, Topuria delivered, big time. Volk is asking for a rematch and is happy to fight in Spain, Dana is happy with Spain as well so I think it has a big chance of happening. Some could say Alex doesn't deserve a rematch, but given his achievements and the fact there aren't that many big names in the featherweight, I think it's the fight that makes sense.

All main card results:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/18/YQ0Wb.png)
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Post by: notblox1 on February 18, 2024, 08:44:21 PM
Yup, Topuria delivered, big time. Volk is asking for a rematch and is happy to fight in Spain, Dana is happy with Spain as well so I think it has a big chance of happening. Some could say Alex doesn't deserve a rematch, but given his achievements and the fact there aren't that many big names in the featherweight, I think it's the fight that makes sense.
Yes but rematch after relative easy KO win for Topuria this doesnt make much sense for him.
Maybe he should first fight Holloway or Rodrigez, or maybe he could move up to different division and fight against O'Malley or Makhachev in a super fight.
He has a perfect 15-0 record so now everyone is going to try and beat him.
 
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Post by: electronicash on February 18, 2024, 08:45:21 PM
Well, I didn't see that one coming. It's a good thing that the new champ was able to back it up and KO the old Volk.

Yup, Topuria delivered, big time. Volk is asking for a rematch and is happy to fight in Spain, Dana is happy with Spain as well so I think it has a big chance of happening. Some could say Alex doesn't deserve a rematch, but given his achievements and the fact there aren't that many big names in the featherweight, I think it's the fight that makes sense.

All main card results:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/18/YQ0Wb.png)

Dana have lots of fave fighters and i think Volk is one so yes he may approve a rematch for him.  Volk had done so much rematch to fighters he beaten but if Dana considers fairness, Volk will have to do a lot of wins to deserve  it.  he was knock cold, i'm not sure if UFC can do that but probably now is the time he should fight Josh Emmett.

Tuporia proved he is a bad ass. but they already know this since Bryce Michell fight. he showed how scared Bryce's face was when his fist was about to land.
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 19, 2024, 09:30:09 AM
Dana have lots of fave fighters and i think Volk is one so yes he may approve a rematch for him.  Volk had done so much rematch to fighters he beaten but if Dana considers fairness, Volk will have to do a lot of wins to deserve  it.  he was knock cold, i'm not sure if UFC can do that but probably now is the time he should fight Josh Emmett.

Tuporia proved he is a bad ass. but they already know this since Bryce Michell fight. he showed how scared Bryce's face was when his fist was about to land.

It would make sense for Volk to face another opponent and get a rematch only if he wins, but I think the rematch is still likely to happen, as there are no real alternatives and fitting Volk again will probably be most profitable for Topuria + all parties agree to fight in Spain.
Plus - Volk is not getting any younger, so if the UFC want to honour his past achievements and grant him the rematch, they'd have to do it rather sooner than later.
The real question is whether Volk really wants to fight Ilia again, or if it's just an automatic reaction after a loss.
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 19, 2024, 07:11:50 PM
It was a long wait but the main event for the UFC 300 is finally announced. Alex Pereira will be fighting Jamahal Hill (returning from an injury).

The main event might not be as exciting as some were expecting, as Jamahal Hill was never super popular even when he became a champ, and was a bit forgotten during his absence, but it's still a good fight, plus, there are other fights on the main card that are even more interesting, i.e. Gaethje Vs Holloway or Oliveirs Vs Tsarukyan.
I'd say that's good enough and think we could say that the UFC delivered on their promise.

The odds for Pereira Vs Hill are not in yet, but I expect Pereira to be the favourite (maybe not a massive one, but still).
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Post by: notblox1 on February 23, 2024, 12:09:12 AM
It was a long wait but the main event for the UFC 300 is finally announced. Alex Pereira will be fighting Jamahal Hill (returning from an injury).
UFC 300 is a mess of a fight card  :P

Lets get back to upcoming UFC event Moreno vs. Royval 2.
I think this one is going to be super exciting, it is happening in Mexico City so Brandon Moreno and Yair Rodriguez will have big support from the home crowd.
I counted nine fighters with Mexican origin in this card but there are few more with Mexican blood.

(https://images2.imgbox.com/8f/1d/YFR4IZPj_o.jpg)
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 23, 2024, 10:59:51 PM
Lets get back to upcoming UFC event Moreno vs. Royval 2.
I think this one is going to be super exciting, it is happening in Mexico City so Brandon Moreno and Yair Rodriguez will have big support from the home crowd.
I counted nine fighters with Mexican origin in this card but there are few more with Mexican blood.

That's what the UFC tends to do when they organise events outside of the US. They'd try to pack it with as many local fighters as possible to please the crowd and to increase UFC's popularity.
Those two fights are looking pretty good. Moreno has already beat Royval back in 2020 by TKO.
Yair Rodriguez has also won against Ortega but that was due to Ortega's shoulder injury.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on February 24, 2024, 09:04:45 PM
Lets get back to upcoming UFC event Moreno vs. Royval 2.
I think this one is going to be super exciting, it is happening in Mexico City so Brandon Moreno and Yair Rodriguez will have big support from the home crowd.
I counted nine fighters with Mexican origin in this card but there are few more with Mexican blood.

That's what the UFC tends to do when they organise events outside of the US. They'd try to pack it with as many local fighters as possible to please the crowd and to increase UFC's popularity.
Those two fights are looking pretty good. Moreno has already beat Royval back in 2020 by TKO.
Yair Rodriguez has also won against Ortega but that was due to Ortega's shoulder injury.

both Moreno and Yair i think will do it again this time Yair might really KO Ortega, Yair did look good the first time they fight. and Moreno maybe will end in a UD.  it will be a good parlay to add Zellhuber. the fighters in the contender series are ready to build their names.

Dana have lots of fave fighters and i think Volk is one so yes he may approve a rematch for him.  Volk had done so much rematch to fighters he beaten but if Dana considers fairness, Volk will have to do a lot of wins to deserve  it.  he was knock cold, i'm not sure if UFC can do that but probably now is the time he should fight Josh Emmett.

Tuporia proved he is a bad ass. but they already know this since Bryce Michell fight. he showed how scared Bryce's face was when his fist was about to land.

It would make sense for Volk to face another opponent and get a rematch only if he wins, but I think the rematch is still likely to happen, as there are no real alternatives and fitting Volk again will probably be most profitable for Topuria + all parties agree to fight in Spain.
Plus - Volk is not getting any younger, so if the UFC want to honour his past achievements and grant him the rematch, they'd have to do it rather sooner than later.
The real question is whether Volk really wants to fight Ilia again, or if it's just an automatic reaction after a loss.

Holloway wants to challenge Tuporia but also  added that Volk may be given an opportunity to reclaim. not sure how he came to that but because fans love Volk, the question could be a gauge for Dana to approve.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on February 24, 2024, 11:42:49 PM
That's what the UFC tends to do when they organise events outside of the US. They'd try to pack it with as many local fighters as possible to please the crowd and to increase UFC's popularity.
Those two fights are looking pretty good. Moreno has already beat Royval back in 2020 by TKO.
Yair Rodriguez has also won against Ortega but that was due to Ortega's shoulder injury.
I know they are doing that, and they are reducing costs for tickets and transportation for all local fighters ;)

This is not UFC news, but I just found out that Francis Ngannou is going to fight against Renan Ferreira in his first MMA fighter after getting a new PFL contract.
Renan Ferreira just beat Ryan Bader with a KO in main event of PFL vs Bealltor Champs event.
Do you know I created other topic about MMA and we can talk there about PFL, Bellator, ONE and other organizations: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317167
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 25, 2024, 12:29:09 AM
Yair might really KO Ortega, Yair did look good the first time they fight.

He landed some nice shots in their first fight but Ortega landed few as well and managed to hold Rodriguez against the fence which made an impression of him controlling the fight (until that shoulder injury).
I'm 100% rooting for Yair here, as I really like his fighting style and the entertainment value he brings into all his fights, but I have a feeling Ortega could make a surprise here. I think he'll give up on the idea of having a striking match against Yair and will be shooting for takedowns from early on to neutralise Yair's biggest advantage.

Holloway wants to challenge Tuporia but also  added that Volk may be given an opportunity to reclaim. not sure how he came to that but because fans love Volk, the question could be a gauge for Dana to approve.

I kind of hope Volk will get a rematch. He deserves it and there aren't many better options for Topuria.
Alternatively, Volk could be matched up with a winner of Rodriguez/Ortega and, if he wins, then he could get a rematch. And Topuria could fight Holloway next, unless Max performs poorly in the UFC 300 against Gaethje.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on February 25, 2024, 03:21:58 PM
This was a crazy fun event, and I feel a little sorry for Brandon Moreno losing, maybe he burned out in front of hot home crowd.
Nice comeback for Brian Ortega after losing two previuos fights, title contender fights are going to be really interesting now.
Dana White said UFC has big plans for Mexico, they opened office there and it is possible to have events all the time there.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 25, 2024, 05:43:02 PM
So my gut feeling turned out to be right and Ortega grabbed a win. I feel sorry for Yair, but respect to Brian for that beautiful art triangle choke.
I think Ortega proved to be worthy of another title shot. Looking at his record, and not counting that shoulder injury, he only lost to Volk by decision and to Max Holloway by doctor's stoppage.
This boils down the number of potential opponents for Topuria's next fight to 3, in order of likelihood: Volk (rematch), Holloway (provided he doesn't get destroyed by Gaethje in the UFC300 and Ortega.

And if the Octagon fights were not enough, there were some fan brawl, apparently uninterrupted by security, because... Mexico.
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All main card results:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/25/YiLS1.png)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on February 25, 2024, 09:51:51 PM

a fight in the crowd whenever there is an event like this seem normal in central and south America. i remember there was also a boxing match where their champ was defeated by a nobody, they were throwing lawn chairs inside the right. the guards only came when the riot is almost over.

Saudi is welcoming Jon Jones! is it possible they are already in the negotiation to have UFC in the desert for Jones vs Francis?   

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on February 26, 2024, 02:32:14 PM
~ Saudi is welcoming Jon Jones! is it possible they are already in the negotiation to have UFC in the desert for Jones vs Francis?
Let's see if oil money could buy Dana's policy ;D As it stands, Jon Jones has to be out of the UFC contract for this fight to happen but he reportedly signed an eight-fight deal. Both fighters will be too old when this happens ;D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 26, 2024, 11:47:06 PM
~ Saudi is welcoming Jon Jones! is it possible they are already in the negotiation to have UFC in the desert for Jones vs Francis?
Let's see if oil money could buy Dana's policy ;D As it stands, Jon Jones has to be out of the UFC contract for this fight to happen but he reportedly signed an eight-fight deal. Both fighters will be too old when this happens ;D

Dana will agree to anything if the money is right.
As for Francis, it was recently announced that he'll return to mma to fight Ferreira, a PFL champion who defeated Ryan Bader (Bellator's champ) within 30 seconds of the very first round. It sounds interesting, but the date is not confirmed yet, so could be a long wait.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on February 27, 2024, 12:26:32 AM
I know Dana White will never allow Jon Jones to fight against Francis Ngannou, but I secretly hope Jones will leave UFC at some point  before he ends MMA carrier.
Until than, I will enjoy watching other heavyweight fighters in octagon and this week it is Rozenstruik vs Gaziev as UFC main event.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 27, 2024, 06:59:52 PM
I know Dana White will never allow Jon Jones to fight against Francis Ngannou, but I secretly hope Jones will leave UFC at some point  before he ends MMA carrier.

It's going to be tough one, as Jones was said to sign an 8-fight contract with the UFC at the beginning of 2023, so he still has 7 fights left. At the current pace of less than a fight a year, he will retire before the contract comes to an end.
But anything is possible if the money is right. If Jones was to put his foot down and said he only wanted to fight Ngannou and would rather retire than fight anyone else AND if the UFC would get a hefty share of such fight, then I can't see why not.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 28, 2024, 11:25:23 PM
The main card for the UFC fight night this weekend:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/28/fwPi8.png)

Nurmagomedov was meant to be fighting Sandhagen (ranked in the top 5 back then) in mid 2023 but he had to pulled out to to an injury, and now he's match-up against a completely unknown fighter who is having his UFC debut. Almakhan record looks impressive at first with 17-1 but he hasn't fought anyone with recognisable name in his career. Looks like he's more of a striker, so Umar probably will be mopping the floor with him. Odds confirm that with x1.07 for Umar.
It's clear as a day that UFC wants to make him a new star and give him an easy fight after the injury to make sure he puts another win to his record.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on February 29, 2024, 12:47:38 AM
It's going to be tough one, as Jones was said to sign an 8-fight contract with the UFC at the beginning of 2023, so he still has 7 fights left. At the current pace of less than a fight a year, he will retire before the contract comes to an end.
That is a lot of fights and we know he had only one fight since 2020, or two since 2019  :o
He is 36 years old now, and Dana White will try to make him retire in UFC to avoid fights outside UFC.
If Connor could box and be in UFC why Dana is not allowing other fighters to do that?  >:(

Back to Connor McGregor, he is serious about his acting carrier  ;D
https://www.gamesradar.com/conor-mcgregor-road-house-remake-rejected-movies-exclusive/
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 01, 2024, 09:23:13 PM
i can't imagine him winning an oscar. if those guys from the A-team movie are still up to add another of its misadventure i think conor will fit well. they can convince Chuck Norris to join,  that man can do wonders for a promotion.

anyway, Jon Jones at his age still have 7 fights under his contract, he will end up like Tony Ferguson in the end. we hate to see a GOAT retire with the worse loss of his career.
lets say he engages to the Saudis on his own and then Dana finds out, i guess Dana will unleash his  wrath on him. making Jon fight at the age of 45.

UFC Fight Night 238 is up. anyone sharing their picks?

Jairzinho Rozenstruik vs. Shamil Gaziev           
Vitor Petrino vs. Tyson Pedro           
Alex Perez vs. Muhammad Mokaev           
Eryk Anders vs. Jamie Pickett           
Umar Nurmagomedov vs. Bekzat Almakhan           
Matt Schnell vs. Steve Erceg

i just learned YuginKadoya is not around anymore.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 01, 2024, 11:58:45 PM
If Connor could box and be in UFC why Dana is not allowing other fighters to do that?  >:(

Letting Conor box Mayweather was not the same as supporting UFC's direct competitors, as that's how it could be seen if Jones was to fight a MMA fight against someone from a different organisation. The UFC is the biggest in the world right now and doing that would look like rival organisations being on the same level. Not to mention that if Jones was to lose, in the eyes of MMA fans, the UFC would no longer be the home of the best in the world.

Back to Connor McGregor, he is serious about his acting carrier  ;D
https://www.gamesradar.com/conor-mcgregor-road-house-remake-rejected-movies-exclusive/

It's never a good sign if an active fighter takes his focus of fighting to focus on other things. But we all know he's well past his prime.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 02, 2024, 08:16:23 PM
UFC Fight Night 238 is up. anyone sharing their picks?

Jairzinho Rozenstruik vs. Shamil Gaziev           
Vitor Petrino vs. Tyson Pedro           
Alex Perez vs. Muhammad Mokaev           
Eryk Anders vs. Jamie Pickett           
Umar Nurmagomedov vs. Bekzat Almakhan           
Matt Schnell vs. Steve Erceg

Umar is an easy one, but the payout rate for betting on him is so low that it's pointless.
Mokaev looks pretty strong but I don't know anything about his opponent.
As for the main event, I don't recall ever seeing Gaziev fight, but his record is pretty impressive, he's currently on 14-long winning streak, with a mixture of KOs and submissions, indicating he could be a complete fighter. He's x1.48 favourite.


i just learned YuginKadoya is not around anymore.

Wasn't he banned on btctalk? Did he teleported here? If so, he can still post here, can't he?
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 04, 2024, 10:13:28 PM
Full main card results from this weekend's fight night:
(https://i.ibb.co/C7bx4Dd/Capture.png)

I haven't seen the full fight (yet) only the highlights, but I wasn't impress with Rozenstruik at all. Gaziev dominated the fight at the beginning but wasn't the best in managing his energy and gassed out in later rounds. No idea what actually happened to his eye in the 4th (or earlier?), but if he said he couldn't see on one eye, it's a good thing he didn't carry on and surrendered. Although he must be very disappointed right now to finish his 14-long winning streak like this.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on March 06, 2024, 03:19:43 AM
I haven't seen the full fight (yet) only the highlights, but I wasn't impress with Rozenstruik at all. Gaziev dominated the fight at the beginning but wasn't the best in managing his energy and gassed out in later rounds. No idea what actually happened to his eye in the 4th (or earlier?), but if he said he couldn't see on one eye, it's a good thing he didn't carry on and surrendered. Although he must be very disappointed right now to finish his 14-long winning streak like this.
What's not to like? Were you expecting him to go all out from the beginning? It's probably Rozenstruik's strategy to take it easy in the first two rounds and increase the tempo in the third until the final round. The heavyweight is not all about one or two powerful shots that would KO the opponent in an instant. I thought Rozenstruik fought smart in a five round bout and a lot of his jabs were snapping Gaziev's head back.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on March 08, 2024, 12:12:33 AM
UFC 299 should be fun event to watch in this week, and it is coming after Ngnanou vs Joshua boxing fight.
O'Malley is a big favorite to win but it is always harder to defend title than to win it, and Marlon Vera is not without chances.
Mai card have other interesting fights, it wont be an easy night for Dustin Poirier.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-299-o-malley-vs-vera-2/o-malley-sean-vs-vera-marlon-657abe0c26cfeb00011ae5a6

(https://images2.imgbox.com/75/f4/dnLg9hS7_o.jpg)
http://www.ufc.com/
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 08, 2024, 09:57:18 PM
UFC 299 should be fun event to watch in this week, and it is coming after Ngnanou vs Joshua boxing fight.
O'Malley is a big favorite to win but it is always harder to defend title than to win it, and Marlon Vera is not without chances.
Mai card have other interesting fights, it wont be an easy night for Dustin Poirier.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-299-o-malley-vs-vera-2/o-malley-sean-vs-vera-marlon-657abe0c26cfeb00011ae5a6

(https://images2.imgbox.com/75/f4/dnLg9hS7_o.jpg)
http://www.ufc.com/

though Sean lost in their first match, he didn't consider it a loss because it was all because of injury he got from the kick. i think its a legit win for Chito though.
and Chito in that fight actually was very strategic, he didn't took Sean down hastily after seeing his leg is wobbly. he just continue to follow Sean pressing his to a corner until Sean wasn't able to run.

if Chito can do that again, Sean will this time not look at it as a fluke. this is if he is lucky enough against Sean who is more prepared this time.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 09, 2024, 06:03:17 PM
Here's the main card for tonight's UFC 299:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/09/y4Vb5.png)

And the prelim card, featuring 2 fights that IMO should've been on the main one (Gamrot Vs RDA and Blaydes Vs Almeida):

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/09/y4rSz.png)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on March 10, 2024, 03:18:34 PM
Dustin still one of the legit old guards in the game after delivering a KO win. Benoit lost a good chance to catapult himself into the title contention but he still has time. I thought he was not respecting his opponent's power walking straight into the Porier's power punches.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on March 10, 2024, 08:10:44 PM
It was a dominant win for Sean O'Malley against Marlon Vera and we are entering the O'Malley era in UFC Bantamweight Championship.
I was really surprised by such an easy KO win for Dustin Poirier in co-main event, he remains one of the top fighters in Lightweight division.

Dana White was very happy about Francis Ngannou losing this weekend  :P
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 10, 2024, 09:10:46 PM

as bookmakers fav Sean won. it think some bettors have seen this thing to happen in the future that Sean will win in UD which the trilogy will eventually happen just as he asked for a 3rd fight even before this fight started.  because he wants a trilogy, i guess the appropriate end of the fight is UD. this should have been a plan for Dana in order for the promotion to make money, isn't it?

yep as expected Dana happy about Francis lost against AJ. it must be his time to say karma. fortunately for Francis, he got $20M. its what i have read on some channel.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 12, 2024, 12:36:19 AM
Dustin still one of the legit old guards in the game after delivering a KO win. Benoit lost a good chance to catapult himself into the title contention but he still has time. I thought he was not respecting his opponent's power walking straight into the Porier's power punches.

Saint-Denis got some reality-check, fighting no-names is not the same as fighting guys from the top 5, but I don't think that loss would hurt his career in any way. He still managed to present himself well and caused Poirier a lot of troubles in the first round.
I'm happy for Dustin though, he deserved that win.

It was a dominant win for Sean O'Malley against Marlon Vera and we are entering the O'Malley era in UFC Bantamweight Championship.

I don't like O'Malley as a human being and I don't like what he represents, but I have to give him credit when it's due - he's a solid and consistent fighter. That being said I don't think he's too enthusiastic about building his legacy in the Bantamweight. He's probably not looking forward to a fight against Dvalishvili, that's why he called out Ilia instead, which is a very good move. Losing to Topuria would bring him no shame at all, he would earn tonnes of money and by calling him out makes him look brave and confident in the eyes of the fans.
Sadly, Dana wasn't happy with the idea in the post-fight press conference.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on March 13, 2024, 12:05:50 AM
I don't like O'Malley as a human being and I don't like what he represents, but I have to give him credit when it's due - he's a solid and consistent fighter. That being said I don't think he's too enthusiastic about building his legacy in the Bantamweight. He's probably not looking forward to a fight against Dvalishvili, that's why he called out Ilia instead, which is a very good move. Losing to Topuria would bring him no shame at all, he would earn tonnes of money and by calling him out makes him look brave and confident in the eyes of the fans.
I first thought he was a clown because of his haircut and crazy behavior but I think he is doing all this just a show, he is much better person in real life.
He is a great fighter and I think he is just getting started in UFC, I would like to see him fight in different weight class and division, maybe Featherweigh.
Topuria vs O'Malley sounds great to me.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 13, 2024, 12:15:30 AM
I first thought he was a clown because of his haircut and crazy behavior but I think he is doing all this just a show, he is much better person in real life.
He is a great fighter and I think he is just getting started in UFC, I would like to see him fight in different weight class and division, maybe Featherweigh.
Topuria vs O'Malley sounds great to me.

I don't dislike him because of his appearance, but more of what kind of person he is in his life. I had some sympathy for him when he was emerging, as I liked his style, but when I heard him publically disrespecting his wife by saying he cheats on her + pretending to be some sort of superstar - that's when I stop caring.

I think the fight with Topuria could happen, but probably not yet. I think Dana will want them both to get more title defences, hype them both up to a higher level and then do a super-fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on March 13, 2024, 11:57:04 PM
I don't dislike him because of his appearance, but more of what kind of person he is in his life. I had some sympathy for him when he was emerging, as I liked his style, but when I heard him publically disrespecting his wife by saying he cheats on her + pretending to be some sort of superstar - that's when I stop caring.
I didnt listen to him speak outside octagon much.
I know only few MMA fighters who are family man and they would never say that, one is Khabib and he is retired, other one is Stipe Miocic.
For all others I cant guarantee and I dont know what they are saying or doing, but they can always change their ways.
Anyway, O'Malley is now medically suspended indefinitely because of injuries after his last fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 15, 2024, 06:36:29 PM
(...)
Anyway, O'Malley is now medically suspended indefinitely because of injuries after his last fight.

I wasn't aware medical suspension was even a thing, but seems like a routine thing. He'll probably need to go through some testing after recovering and will be good to go.


One month left until UFC 300 and Tsarukyan vs Oliveira fight, and Charles recently posted in Instagram, that he has got a cut.
(...)
I hope that does not interfere and wont influence on his performance, or the fight got cancelled (previously, Olivera got eye cut in 2 weeks before fight against Makhachev and the fight got cancelled). Btw, he is an underdog in a fight against Tsarukyan.

Some disturbing news emerged about Oliveira getting cut again:
https://www.essentiallysports.com/ufc-mma-news-charles-oliveira-injury-hell-call-for-islam-in-june-pull-out-scare-from-ex-lw-champ-has-fans-worried-for-ufc-300/
That's not good. It's hard to judge how deep the cut was from that photo alone, but if it's deep, the healing could take longer than a month. Quick search by google tells me it can take 2-3 months for larger cuts.
If it's deep, I hope his team contacted UFC to make sure he gets the best available care to speed the recovery.
If he pulls out again, that would be a disaster. Although there's still enough time to find a back-up fighter (unless they already have one). Looking at the possible options from the 155 class, the most probable back up would be Chandler (if he still wants to fight) or Gamrot (who already defeated Arman once and came out of his fight against Dos Anjos victorious and unharmed.

Even if the cut is not very serious, it could still affect Oliveira's preparation quite significantly, as he probably won't be able to do hard sparring, whether striking or grappling.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 15, 2024, 08:43:47 PM

Dana will send his mob to Charles door if he cancels his fight.
this cut seem like a small cut only and Charles always has a cut in every fight. he must be used to it already. unless he wants to really avoid Arman because he wants to fight Islam again so he wanna makes this an excuse.   

Chandler is not fighting Arman either. he is too stubborn and he will wait for Conor no matter what. he did have lot of chances in the last few UFC events but his eyes is fixed to Conor.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on March 15, 2024, 11:50:03 PM
Some disturbing news emerged about Oliveira getting cut again
This looks like a serious cut and I would not risk getting this thing opened early, it is better for it to fully heal.
Look Nate Diaz and his brother, they had so much of this cuts that it is very easy for them to open wounds and blead like crazy.

Update from Conor McGregor about his return to MMA:
https://www.mmafighting.com/2024/3/15/24101880/conor-mcgregor-on-his-return-to-mma-it-keeps-getting-pushed-back-then-i-lose-interest
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 17, 2024, 06:55:43 PM
Full results of the last night's fight night main card:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/17/JNkbd.png)

The main event fight was short and intense, for a moment it looked like Tuivasa was about to KO Tybura, but Marcin used his reach advantage to keep him away and then went for that takedown which resulted in some nice ground-and-pound from a back-mount position and later in a clumsy but effective rear naked choke.
I don't think either of them could go for the full five rounds, so early finish was more than certain.
Big win for Tybura. I don't think he'll ever get a chance for a title shot at this stage of his career, but he proved to belong in the top 10.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 17, 2024, 10:23:53 PM
Full results of the last night's fight night main card:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/17/JNkbd.png)

The main event fight was short and intense, for a moment it looked like Tuivasa was about to KO Tybura, but Marcin used his reach advantage to keep him away and then went for that takedown which resulted in some nice ground-and-pound from a back-mount position and later in a clumsy but effective rear naked choke.
I don't think either of them could go for the full five rounds, so early finish was more than certain.
Big win for Tybura. I don't think he'll ever get a chance for a title shot at this stage of his career, but he proved to belong in the top 10.

i couldn't resist betting for Tuivasa since he is younger and i though he would do his best for he already have 3 consecutive loss. it should be a wake up call for him.

(https://i.imgur.com/pP5ZPQx.png)

i was right in rooting for him to win until that takedown.  yep he is still not successful this time. i think Dana will give him a last warning this time. he used to be a big shocker for AU fans. such an early decline for his age.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on March 19, 2024, 09:48:57 PM
What do you think about upcoming fight card?
Rose Namajunas is coming back after two loses in a row, but I think this is a great chance for her to come back with a win against Amanda Ribas.
I suggest watching all other fights starting from early prelims with heavyweight fight between Mohammed Usman and Mick Parkin.
There are few more interesting fight and venue is UFC apex so this could be advantage to some of them.

(https://images2.imgbox.com/bd/9e/GaChdLrh_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 20, 2024, 07:33:19 PM
i couldn't resist betting for Tuivasa since he is younger and i though he would do his best for he already have 3 consecutive loss. it should be a wake up call for him.
(...)
Personally I would avoid betting on fighters that are desperate for a win. Some of them would get healthy motivation from that but, for most, it's a factor that has a rather detrimental effect on performance (i.e. makes it harder to stay calm and composed etc).

What do you think about upcoming fight card?
Rose Namajunas is coming back after two loses in a row, but I think this is a great chance for her to come back with a win against Amanda Ribas.

I'm not a big fan of female MMA and I'm not familiar with Ribas at all. But Rose has a history of inconsistent fights and was mixing phenomenal performances with really poor ones.
I was expecting her to move down back to the strawweight but looks like they are fighting in the flyweight. Funnily enough, Rose is not listed in rankings for any of those weight classes but is showing as No. 8 in pound-for-pound ranking for active fighters as per the UFC website:
https://www.ufc.com/rankings
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 20, 2024, 08:38:40 PM
i couldn't resist betting for Tuivasa since he is younger and i though he would do his best for he already have 3 consecutive loss. it should be a wake up call for him.
(...)
Personally I would avoid betting on fighters that are desperate for a win. Some of them would get healthy motivation from that but, for most, it's a factor that has a rather detrimental effect on performance (i.e. makes it harder to stay calm and composed etc).

What do you think about upcoming fight card?
Rose Namajunas is coming back after two loses in a row, but I think this is a great chance for her to come back with a win against Amanda Ribas.

I'm not a big fan of female MMA and I'm not familiar with Ribas at all. But Rose has a history of inconsistent fights and was mixing phenomenal performances with really poor ones.
I was expecting her to move down back to the strawweight but looks like they are fighting in the flyweight. Funnily enough, Rose is not listed in rankings for any of those weight classes but is showing as No. 8 in pound-for-pound ranking for active fighters as per the UFC website:
https://www.ufc.com/rankings

Rose somehow had toppled big names. i wasn't also rooting for her when she fought Zhang Weili, but then she upset the fight easily. wish she could do it again to recover from her 2 loss.

this fight night card by the way is full of unknown fighters. its just the main event that people will be watching this.
i have read also people are watching the HW fight of Mohammed Usman vs. Mick Parkin, not really familiar about them but they seem to expect something on this fight. Parkin is undefeated and then Usman's physique is quite a monster.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 21, 2024, 02:15:29 PM
McGregor Vs Chandler is finally set according to many news sites, quoting Mcregor's announcement from yesterday's interview.
He confirmed that the fight will happen in the summer and confirmed Chandler as the opponent. He did not state the exact date or the weight class, saying he will leave the details to be officially announced by the UFC.

Link:
https://www.mmafighting.com/2024/3/20/24107171/conor-mcgregor-says-ufc-return-is-finally-set-this-summer-the-mac-is-back
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on March 21, 2024, 11:36:52 PM
New movie Road House was just released in theaters and it is going to be interesting for all UFC and MMA fans!
One of the main roles in movie is played by Conor McGregor, ex UFC champion now turned actor  ;D
Jake Gyllenhaal is the main role in movie and he is known from movies Donnie Darko and The Day After Tomorrow.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 23, 2024, 07:32:39 PM
McGregor Vs Chandler is finally set according to many news sites, quoting Mcregor's announcement from yesterday's interview.
He confirmed that the fight will happen in the summer and confirmed Chandler as the opponent. He did not state the exact date or the weight class, saying he will leave the details to be officially announced by the UFC.

Link:
https://www.mmafighting.com/2024/3/20/24107171/conor-mcgregor-says-ufc-return-is-finally-set-this-summer-the-mac-is-back

so Dana finally booked Conor finally, he wishes not to sign a new contract for he wants to fight in boxing with Pacquiao but it seem like Dana doesn't want to release Conor thats why this fight took to long to materialize that's what rumors were saying which Dana wants him to sign a new contract before they can give a go for Chandler vs Conor fight.

rumors are rumors, they are saying aalso that Dana wants a deal to also get commission for Pacquaio vs Conor, so a discussion has to made.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on March 23, 2024, 10:29:08 PM
so Dana finally booked Conor finally, he wishes not to sign a new contract for he wants to fight in boxing with Pacquiao but it seem like Dana doesn't want to release Conor thats why this fight took to long to materialize that's what rumors were saying which Dana wants him to sign a new contract before they can give a go for Chandler vs Conor fight.
Good for him, but I am prediction he is going to lose that fight.
Dana and his UFC fight policy is sometimes very stupid, and he only allows Conor to play with boxing  :P
I watched the new movie Road House and it is garbage, but Conor was decent as actor with negative role.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on March 24, 2024, 02:56:08 PM
UFC Bite Night or Ultimate Biting Championship was the popular caption that describes the latest event. Igor Severino was disqualified after biting Lima's biceps. What's worst is he even denied it when the ref told him he bit his opponent. After the incident, Dana announced that he was also cut off from the UFC. It's such a shame because it was also his debut (wasted opportunity). If you look at the nasty bite, I didn't think you could do that with a mouth piece on.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 24, 2024, 08:54:51 PM

Igor is a dick. the guy couldn't pin down Lima so he resorted to biting.

so Dana finally booked Conor finally, he wishes not to sign a new contract for he wants to fight in boxing with Pacquiao but it seem like Dana doesn't want to release Conor thats why this fight took to long to materialize that's what rumors were saying which Dana wants him to sign a new contract before they can give a go for Chandler vs Conor fight.
Good for him, but I am prediction he is going to lose that fight.
Dana and his UFC fight policy is sometimes very stupid, and he only allows Conor to play with boxing  :P
I watched the new movie Road House and it is garbage, but Conor was decent as actor with negative role.

this time its different. it looks like Dana doesn't want him to fight and doesn't want to get out of UFC.

Dana faces lots of challenges nowadays and he needs to tight the leash to his dogs since in the politics side, he is about to get grilled. He is a Trump supporter and there are group in politics that is probably harassing him using the UFC fighters that he didn't pay well during their prime.  Demetrius Johnson is joining that fight too. Conor is also becoming hostile in politics, especially in Ireland. they need Conor on the leash too and UFC got him by the neck.


Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 25, 2024, 07:30:57 PM
Rose Namajunas got the job done, but it was not an easy fight for her. Ribas was ranked 8th in the Flyweight, so it's not a massive win for Rose, a former Strawweight champion.
She wasn't looking bad, landed few really nice strikes, but didn't look as hungry and sharp as in her prime years. Not quite sure why is she sticking to the Flyweight rather than going down to where she had the most success. Maybe cutting weight to 115 pounds is too much strain on her body.
At least she'll jump back into the top 15 rank, I'm imagining she'll jump at least to 8th place of the Flyweight.

I have no clue what went through Da Silva's mind when he decided it's a good idea to bite his opponent. He's UFC adventure ended as soon as it started. Maybe they should start doing some basic IQ/psychological testing before signing up new fighters.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on March 25, 2024, 09:59:51 PM
Rose Namajunas got the job done, but it was not an easy fight for her. Ribas was ranked 8th in the Flyweight, so it's not a massive win for Rose, a former Strawweight champion.
She wasn't looking bad, landed few really nice strikes, but didn't look as hungry and sharp as in her prime years. Not quite sure why is she sticking to the Flyweight rather than going down to where she had the most success. Maybe cutting weight to 115 pounds is too much strain on her body.
At least she'll jump back into the top 15 rank, I'm imagining she'll jump at least to 8th place of the Flyweight.
She is done with strawweight category.
It is much harder for woman to keep weight under certain limit, and she was not feeling good doing preparation with no water drinking.
I never understood this stupid weight rules in UFC when everyone is cheating to get their weight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on March 28, 2024, 01:49:02 PM
I'm going to ignore the upcoming two fight nights and go straight to UFC 300 (Pereira vs. Hill). The whole card looks stacked! I cannot believe that the Jiří Procházka and Aljamain Sterling respective
fights have been demoted to prelims.

The early prelims (Bantamweight Bout - Deiveson Figueiredo vs Cody Garbrandt) is a banger as well. I would be surprised if this doesn't end in a KO/TKO.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 28, 2024, 03:36:11 PM
I'm going to ignore the upcoming two fight nights and go straight to UFC 300 (Pereira vs. Hill). The whole card looks stacked! I cannot believe that the Jiří Procházka and Aljamain Sterling respective
fights have been demoted to prelims.

The early prelims (Bantamweight Bout - Deiveson Figueiredo vs Cody Garbrandt) is a banger as well. I would be surprised if this doesn't end in a KO/TKO.

The entire early-prelims looks way better than any of the UFC Fight Night main cards:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/28/VSKjC.png)

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have it that packed, especially when they struggle to make the "non-numbered" events interesting.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 31, 2024, 07:46:05 PM
Looks like good old Weidman still has it in him. Despite being 39 he looked really motivated and hungry for a fight. They both pulled off a nice show for the fans.
You don't always get a TKO granted from a double-eye poke, but a win is a win. And it opens a possibility for a rematch.
Even without the controversial ending Chris looked better than Silva and won the first two rounds (at least that's what I got from the fight highlights I've just watched).

The main card results:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/31/VTip1.png)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 01, 2024, 10:28:57 PM
Looks like good old Weidman still has it in him. Despite being 39 he looked really motivated and hungry for a fight. They both pulled off a nice show for the fans.
You don't always get a TKO granted from a double-eye poke, but a win is a win. And it opens a possibility for a rematch.
Even without the controversial ending Chris looked better than Silva and won the first two rounds (at least that's what I got from the fight highlights I've just watched).
He won, but many people are saying that it was a dirty controversial win because of eye poking.
I never liked him and his fighting skills, but reach advantage was crucial advantage in this fight, and his long fingers ;D
Weidman is soon going to be 40 years old, and maybe it is better to retire with a win than to continue with a rematch.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on April 02, 2024, 04:31:59 PM
Yeah, it wasn't a clean victory for Weidman but I don't think Dana would care that much about the fight. Silva is planning to appeal the decision to a no contest but I doubt it will end in his favor.

The discussion now is if the UFC would make policy changes to reduce eye pokes. Intentional or not, it still affects the outcome of the fight. Maybe it's time to change gloves?
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 02, 2024, 09:14:48 PM
Yeah, it wasn't a clean victory for Weidman but I don't think Dana would care that much about the fight. Silva is planning to appeal the decision to a no contest but I doubt it will end in his favor.

The discussion now is if the UFC would make policy changes to reduce eye pokes. Intentional or not, it still affects the outcome of the fight. Maybe it's time to change gloves?

once in a fight i think is enough and that the fighter should avoid stretching his fingers to the man's face but weidman did it twice. it already meant he intentionally mean to do it.  and then he celebrates in the last round like he did the most remarkable fight of the night KO. he still think like he was once the most famous man that day when he defeat Silva who was showboating and he got lucky for it.

i think his father would not shout that's my boy this time. that's cheating.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 02, 2024, 10:20:06 PM
He won, but many people are saying that it was a dirty controversial win because of eye poking.
I never liked him and his fighting skills, but reach advantage was crucial advantage in this fight, and his long fingers ;D
;D
I think the referee is much more to blame here, but I don't like how Weidman was celebrating his dirty win knowing what he did.

What do you guys think about Bo Nickal? He's rarely discussed in this thread. Obviously he's getting fast tracked to be a nef UFC superstar and have an impressive 5-0-0 record with all being first round finishes: 2 KOs and 3 submissions - all scored on "no-names", and his next opponent is also not really well-known either (which begs a question on why is it a main card fight of the UFC 300, when much more established fighters are on prelims or early-prelims). But I like how hardworking and dedicated he is. If the hype is real, he might be an American response to all the successful Dagestani/Chechen fighters. I wouldn't mind seeing him matched up against Khamzat.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 02, 2024, 11:45:00 PM
What do you guys think about Bo Nickal? He's rarely discussed in this thread.
I heard about from his wrestling history but he is still fresh in MMA.
He started in DW Contender Series few years ago, and I think he only had two fights in UFC, so it is to early to say.
Maybe I can comment more after I see him fighting with other top fighters, but I think he is going to struggle in stand up.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 06, 2024, 02:20:29 PM
I heard about from his wrestling history but he is still fresh in MMA.
He started in DW Contender Series few years ago, and I think he only had two fights in UFC, so it is to early to say.
Maybe I can comment more after I see him fighting with other top fighters, but I think he is going to struggle in stand up.

He's a top-level wrestler who went into MMA after failing Olympic trials. Currently, his mma record is 5-0 but yeah, he has not yet faced any top opponent. Dana White is a big believer in him, as he put him on the main card of the UFC 300 despite much more recognisable fighters being placed in prelims or early prelims.
His next opponent is Cody Brundage, a 10-5 unranked fighter who is hardly a top fighter. But Brundage has a good finish ratio, so maybe he'll be able to test Bo more than his previous opponents.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 06, 2024, 08:11:56 PM
He's a top-level wrestler who went into MMA after failing Olympic trials. Currently, his mma record is 5-0 but yeah, he has not yet faced any top opponent. Dana White is a big believer in him, as he put him on the main card of the UFC 300 despite much more recognisable fighters being placed in prelims or early prelims.
His next opponent is Cody Brundage, a 10-5 unranked fighter who is hardly a top fighter. But Brundage has a good finish ratio, so maybe he'll be able to test Bo more than his previous opponents.
Olympians are great athletes but coming to MMA and UFC is a completely different story.
Wrestling is important but he needs to have other skills, and he needs more training and experience with boxing, kicking and standup.
Brundage coming from Muay Thai will be a challenge for Nickal, but Nickal has reach advantage.
UFC made a mess with UFC 300 but it should be interesting event to watch.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 06, 2024, 10:07:59 PM
He's a top-level wrestler who went into MMA after failing Olympic trials. Currently, his mma record is 5-0 but yeah, he has not yet faced any top opponent. Dana White is a big believer in him, as he put him on the main card of the UFC 300 despite much more recognisable fighters being placed in prelims or early prelims.
His next opponent is Cody Brundage, a 10-5 unranked fighter who is hardly a top fighter. But Brundage has a good finish ratio, so maybe he'll be able to test Bo more than his previous opponents.
Olympians are great athletes but coming to MMA and UFC is a completely different story.
Wrestling is important but he needs to have other skills, and he needs more training and experience with boxing, kicking and standup.
Brundage coming from Muay Thai will be a challenge for Nickal, but Nickal has reach advantage.
UFC made a mess with UFC 300 but it should be interesting event to watch.

and Nickal also have a ko punch. though we haven't seen him fought someone from the higher rank, i think he can actually make it to the top one day. the guy is massive so he is very noticeable in the UFC but he is taking the slow route from being part of the contender series to fighting in UFC for the 3rd time. if Dana favored him, he would have fight already the top fighters immediately like just like Alex Pereira.

i think he may just reach there after this fight and he is ready to fight someone like Khamzat.  Nickal as big as he is will likely not duck Khamzat.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 07, 2024, 11:31:11 PM
The last event's main card results:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/07/Vb2al.png)

They say a win is a win, but that's not the kind of win Allen will be proud of. He was in real trouble as Curtis put him on wobbly legs and if he pressed harder, he probably could finish Allen with a KO.
I believe Allen was originally scheduled to fight Vettori, and I think Marvin is on a higher level than Allen.
It was a good fight to watch though as both of them went all out and were not saving themselves, to the point both had to sit down on the floor right after the final buzz.
I don't expect it will affect the ranking positions of either of them.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on April 08, 2024, 06:06:40 AM
Curtis causing problems to Allen again even after taking the fight on short notice. The fight could have gone either way but I still find it crazy that one judge scored it 49-46. Anyway, it was still a great fight. These two deserve a rubber match.



It's finally the fight week for UFC 300!

I'm taking the following on single:
Charles Oliveira @2.80 (vs.  Arman Tsarukyan)
Max Holloway @2.50 (vs. Justin Gaethje)

At least one of them is going to win their fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 08, 2024, 05:39:03 PM
(...) The fight could have gone either way but I still find it crazy that one judge scored it 49-46. (...)

Yeah, Allen looked flabbergasted when that was announced  :D

I'm taking the following on single:
Charles Oliveira @2.80 (vs.  Arman Tsarukyan)
Max Holloway @2.50 (vs. Justin Gaethje)

At least one of them is going to win their fight.

Odds are decent for both.
It's a well known fact that oddsmakers have strong preference to younger fighters, that's why you can get a good value bets betting on guys like Oliveira, who's not really that old at 34. He could still be in his prime. But since he hasn't fought in almost a year, I wouldn't bet on him personally.
As for Max, I also have a feeling he could win it. He's striking is really good and it won't be easy for Gaethje to connect. And I can't imagine Justin wanting to take it to the ground, where he probably have some advantage.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 08, 2024, 10:47:42 PM
Odds are decent for both.
It's a well known fact that oddsmakers have strong preference to younger fighters, that's why you can get a good value bets betting on guys like Oliveira, who's not really that old at 34. He could still be in his prime. But since he hasn't fought in almost a year, I wouldn't bet on him personally.
Odds are not always giving us the correct picture of upcoming fights.
I was shocked when I saw how low odds on Bo Nickal are to win against Cody Brundage, I would never put anything on his win, and I am considering taking a small bet against him.
I think we are going to see several big surprised in UFC 300 event.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 09, 2024, 12:35:33 PM
(...)
I was shocked when I saw how low odds on Bo Nickal are to win against Cody Brundage, I would never put anything on his win, and I am considering taking a small bet against him.
(...)

I was thinking of that too.
Generally speaking, I don't think it makes sense to bet on anything below x1.10 on an mma fight (or even boxing), doesn't matter how good the fighter is. We've seen some weird injuries out of nowhere (e.g. Aspinall, Fiziev, Rakic), plus, there are lucky punches, disqualifications etc, there are too many things that could go wrong for such low pay-out bets to be worth it.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 11, 2024, 10:55:54 PM
(...)
I was shocked when I saw how low odds on Bo Nickal are to win against Cody Brundage, I would never put anything on his win, and I am considering taking a small bet against him.
(...)

I was thinking of that too.
Generally speaking, I don't think it makes sense to bet on anything below x1.10 on an mma fight (or even boxing), doesn't matter how good the fighter is. We've seen some weird injuries out of nowhere (e.g. Aspinall, Fiziev, Rakic), plus, there are lucky punches, disqualifications etc, there are too many things that could go wrong for such low pay-out bets to be worth it.

Nickal is too strong healthy to have get that injuries but lucky punch i guess could maybe derail his win. but say he has a physical therapist like everyone in UFC. sure thing they don't need to be examined thru EEG or EKG test procedure.
.
Nickal Bo by KO is 2.22 on Stake.com and  BO By Submission is 1.81
either of them will happen but not decision so you just have to speculate between the two which is highly likely to happen for this is the method with higher odds.

what is more interesting is Tsarukyan about to defeat Charles. they said whoever will win will have the chance to fight Islam again.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 11, 2024, 11:22:17 PM
(...)
what is more interesting is Tsarukyan about to defeat Charles. they said whoever will win will have the chance to fight Islam again.

It's either one of them or the winner of Gaethje Vs Holloway.
Islam will almost definitely be defending the title before that fight, in June. He called out Dustin Poirier, and Dustin allegedly agreed. Of course Islam will be a massive favourite, but this is MMA, so anything can happen.

As for Tsarukyan Vs Oliveira, I think Arman is a favorite but only a slight one. If Charles is still in his peak, he has what it takes to win, be it by KO or by submission.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 12, 2024, 10:30:01 PM
i read in the other thread from tokeweed, he posted one of his parlay[ b] Nickal, Weili and Gaethje[/b] the 3 will likely win to which he will also be creating another parlay to include Arman and Hill.  kind of a good practice to hedge his parlay with another parlay.  ;D  Holloway use to be the bad ass in the cage but this time he is in decline also.

i don't know why as early as Alex defense, there are already doubts about him against Hill. I think he can KO Hill in just a
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 12, 2024, 11:27:29 PM
As for Tsarukyan Vs Oliveira, I think Arman is a favorite but only a slight one. If Charles is still in his peak, he has what it takes to win, be it by KO or by submission.
I would not write off Oliveira so easy, he is amazing fighter but I didnt watch Tsarukyan in many fights so maybe I cant judge correctly.
This should be one of the more interesting fights in this fight card, because it is going to be a clash of styles.
I am surprised that Prochazka vs Rakic fight is not promoted better by UFC.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 13, 2024, 12:27:27 AM
I would not write off Oliveira so easy, he is amazing fighter but I didnt watch Tsarukyan in many fights so maybe I cant judge correctly.
(...)

Tsarukyan trains a lot in a wrestling style similar to the Dagestani one, so probably could dominate Oliveira in grappling if he chooses to. But I think he prefers fighting in a stand-up, where he could get punished by Charles.
I don't think it's likely that Charles will submit Arman, although some fighters are predicting that to happen.
It should be a good one though.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 13, 2024, 01:21:53 PM
OK, so tonight's the night of the long-awaited UFC 300 event. Here are all the cards as a reminder:
Main:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/13/jM2f2.png)

Prelims:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/13/jMU8c.png)

Early prelims:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/13/jMXAP.png)

We should see plenty of action tonight, especially given the increased $300k performance bonuses.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 13, 2024, 03:07:57 PM
Tsarukyan trains a lot in a wrestling style similar to the Dagestani one, so probably could dominate Oliveira in grappling if he chooses to. But I think he prefers fighting in a stand-up, where he could get punished by Charles.
From what I read about him he has more background in Muay Thai than in wrestling, and most of the fights he won was in stand up with KO or TKO punches or kicks.
Oliveira is better on ground and he won most of his fights with submission on the ground, but both of them have other set of skills.
There is a small reach advantage for Oliveira, but Tsarukyan is seven years younger and more hungry.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on April 14, 2024, 08:57:31 AM
What a card, UFC lived up to expectations! So many highlights and so many things to talk about but my favorite moment is when Max telling Justin to trade blows in the middle of the octagon with just seconds remaining. That was a BMF moment right there because he could easily dance around until the time expires and wait for his name to be announced as the winner. Yet, he didn't care and took the risk to slug it out.

Biggest loser of the night is definitely Oliveira.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 14, 2024, 12:59:16 PM
What a card, UFC lived up to expectations! So many highlights and so many things to talk about but my favorite moment is when Max telling Justin to trade blows in the middle of the octagon with just seconds remaining. That was a BMF moment right there because he could easily dance around until the time expires and wait for his name to be announced as the winner. Yet, he didn't care and took the risk to slug it out.

Max is an absolute savage. I'm not a big fan of the "BMF" belt concept, but if anyone deserves it, it's MAx Holloway, hands down. The ending of the fight was simply perfect. A cold KO literally a second before the end of the fight is not something you would see even in a movie.
I'm yet to check who received performance bonuses, but Max has to be one of them.

Here are the highlights of the fight for those who haven't seen it:

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on April 14, 2024, 01:38:15 PM
~
I'm yet to check who received performance bonuses, but Max has to be one of them.
Max and Jiri got the performance of the night bonuses.
Max vs Justin was the fight of the night.
All in all, Max got $600K in bonuses only.

Here are the highlights of the fight for those who haven't seen it:
Video must have been taken down or set to private.

Another badass moment that needs to be highlighted was Pereira gesturing to Herb Dean to move aside and not interrupt the fight. Seconds later, the fight was already over ;D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 14, 2024, 07:57:26 PM
Alex Pereira proved to be a king of Light Heavyweight division after win against Jamahal Hill.
They way he did it was dominating in first round so there is no doubt who was a better fighter.
I think his next fight is going to be against Prochazka who won his fight against Rakic in the same fight card.

Max is an absolute savage.
Gaethje made a big mistake of entering in such exchange with Max.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 14, 2024, 09:19:56 PM
Alex Pereira proved to be a king of Light Heavyweight division after win against Jamahal Hill.
They way he did it was dominating in first round so there is no doubt who was a better fighter.
I think his next fight is going to be against Prochazka who won his fight against Rakic in the same fight card.

Max is an absolute savage.
Gaethje made a big mistake of entering in such exchange with Max.

he engaged in the middle i think because he knew by points he loses the fight. i think its an attempt for him to win the fight. gaethje i think lost all 4 rounds and that broken nose had affected his fight plan.

i rarely win a parlay but glad i didn't add the fights that i'm unsure like max vs gaethje. even hill vs alex is risky but i did add them anyway in my parlay. i didn't bet a big amount though.

(https://i.imgur.com/MAXI0Eq.png)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 14, 2024, 11:02:11 PM
Max and Jiri got the performance of the night bonuses.
Max vs Justin was the fight of the night.
All in all, Max got $600K in bonuses only.
(...)

Yeah, I've seen Dana's interview later. Well deserved for Max. Dana has also said that other fighters who performed well that night will also get some special bonuses.

Video must have been taken down or set to private.
It's still up in the UK. MAybe it's just not available in your location.

Gaethje made a big mistake of entering in such exchange with Max.

He had no choice. He knew he would lose by decision so had to take the risk. It was actually a strategically a bad decision by Max, but sometimes bad decisions can pay off big time.

(...) gaethje i think lost all 4 rounds and that broken nose had affected his fight plan.

Yeah, that spinning body kick that landed on Justin's face turned out to be crucial. There's no way to perform at 100% with a broken nose and compromised breathing. He also suffered 2 eye pokes, which could had some effect on his sight.

i rarely win a parlay but glad i didn't add the fights that i'm unsure like max vs gaethje. even hill vs alex is risky but i did add them anyway in my parlay. i didn't bet a big amount though.

Congrats and well done!
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 15, 2024, 11:27:46 PM
He had no choice. He knew he would lose by decision so had to take the risk. It was actually a strategically a bad decision by Max, but sometimes bad decisions can pay off big time.
This was a desperate move from him, but he didnt give up until the end, I will give him that.
I expected to see more from him but there is no way you cant beat Max with that strategy.
Prochazka was losing from Rakic and his move turned in his favor, but power of light heavyweight category fighters is something else.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 15, 2024, 11:46:35 PM
Odds are in for the 1st June, UFC 302 event:

Islam Makhachev x1.25 Vs Dustin Poirier x3.80

Sean Strickland x1.41 Vs Paolo Costa x2.80

And for the 22nd June, UFC 303:

Conor McGregor x1.85 Vs Michael Chandler x1.96

I think the payout rate for Chandler is very generous. Thoughts?
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 16, 2024, 11:37:29 PM
Odds are in for the 1st June, UFC 302 event:

Islam Makhachev x1.25 Vs Dustin Poirier x3.80

Sean Strickland x1.41 Vs Paolo Costa x2.80

And for the 22nd June, UFC 303:

Conor McGregor x1.85 Vs Michael Chandler x1.96

I think the payout rate for Chandler is very generous. Thoughts?

it must be worth for Chandler, he waited not to fight someone else for over a year. missed a lot off opportunity because he waited for Connor. and i think he will win as well. Connor not fighting for a long time and him getting fatter means he is rustier than ever. if Chandler couldn't win against him standing, Chandler can always choose to baddest strategy which is to kick that broken leg.

Strickland despite his mental breakdown, i think the guy is still a badass. the odds is telling so but he should stop his social media presence.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on April 17, 2024, 10:28:38 AM
Man, it's impressive how Dustin has climbed back after his title fight losses but I don't think he has what it takes to win against top grapplers and submission specialists. He's had a long career but just couldn't get over that wall. Since odds are low, I'll probably take Islam winning by submission and I'm thinking if it will be within 2 rounds.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 17, 2024, 04:24:52 PM
Man, it's impressive how Dustin has climbed back after his title fight losses but I don't think he has what it takes to win against top grapplers and submission specialists. He's had a long career but just couldn't get over that wall. Since odds are low, I'll probably take Islam winning by submission and I'm thinking if it will be within 2 rounds.

Everyone is writing Dustin off in this fight, but he has proven to be mentally super strong by accepting and winning the fight with St Denis.
Of course Islam wrestling is superior to Dustin's (or any other fighter) but Poirier has loads of experience and he has really good sparring partners (i.e. Gamrot) to know what to do and to find the right strategy - which will likely be keep the fight in the stand up and hunt for a KO.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 17, 2024, 10:37:27 PM
Man, it's impressive how Dustin has climbed back after his title fight losses but I don't think he has what it takes to win against top grapplers and submission specialists. He's had a long career but just couldn't get over that wall. Since odds are low, I'll probably take Islam winning by submission and I'm thinking if it will be within 2 rounds.

Everyone is writing Dustin off in this fight, but he has proven to be mentally super strong by accepting and winning the fight with St Denis.
Of course Islam wrestling is superior to Dustin's (or any other fighter) but Poirier has loads of experience and he has really good sparring partners (i.e. Gamrot) to know what to do and to find the right strategy - which will likely be keep the fight in the stand up and hunt for a KO.

Islam is like Khabib, Dustin will not see him fight on foot. Dustin just attempting to throw a punch, Islam will duck to grab him.  but we have seen Islam knocked down before who knows what could happen.

UFC 302 is a fight night of grappling.  looking into the fight card, most fighters are grapplers which iff ever i bet, i would likely choose win by submission. anyway there's still 301 to watch.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on April 18, 2024, 09:10:30 AM
Man, it's impressive how Dustin has climbed back after his title fight losses but I don't think he has what it takes to win against top grapplers and submission specialists. He's had a long career but just couldn't get over that wall. Since odds are low, I'll probably take Islam winning by submission and I'm thinking if it will be within 2 rounds.
Everyone is writing Dustin off in this fight, but he has proven to be mentally super strong by accepting and winning the fight with St Denis.
Of course Islam wrestling is superior to Dustin's (or any other fighter) but Poirier has loads of experience and he has really good sparring partners (i.e. Gamrot) to know what to do and to find the right strategy - which will likely be keep the fight in the stand up and hunt for a KO.
Everyone knows he has loads of experience. He certainly had more fight experience by the time he fought Khabib and when he faced Oliveira but still got submitted. I'm sure he also prepared some strategy before he fought those two but we already know what happened. The whole point is that it's just a bad match up for him.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 18, 2024, 11:35:53 PM
Everyone is writing Dustin off in this fight, but he has proven to be mentally super strong by accepting and winning the fight with St Denis.
Of course Islam wrestling is superior to Dustin's (or any other fighter) but Poirier has loads of experience and he has really good sparring partners (i.e. Gamrot) to know what to do and to find the right strategy - which will likely be keep the fight in the stand up and hunt for a KO.
I am not writing Dustin off but Makhachev is something like Khabib 2 and I dont think he is going to lose this fight.
Dustin has reach advantage but he lost from Khabib, Gaethje and Oliveira so there are many holes in his game play that Makhachev can use.
I think this fight ending in first round could be a good bet.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 19, 2024, 12:04:02 AM
Islam is like Khabib, Dustin will not see him fight on foot. Dustin just attempting to throw a punch, Islam will duck to grab him.  but we have seen Islam knocked down before who knows what could happen.

He got KOes only once in his professional career and he seemed to learned his lesson from that.
Wrestling/grappling is Islam's strongest side but I don't expect he'll go straight for the takedown. He would have to engage Dustin in a stand up to make him over-commit to the strikes to set up a good opportunity to take it to the ground.
And the way MMA has evolved, it's way harder to just take someone to the ground, hold them there, and submit them. Especially on the highest level. An average fighter is much better in takedown defense and in avoiding submissions or ground and pound then they used to be.
As for Islam, he's getting more and more confident in his striking, as evidenced e.g. by his KO on Volkanovski. He will definitely not shy away from exchanging at least a little bit with Poirier.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 20, 2024, 10:25:45 PM
I forgot to say after UFC 300 that UFC fighter Renato Moicano in post fight interview asked to be paid in Bitcoin and he called fans to study Bitcoin more!
He is one of the top MMA fighters in Lightweight category and he has very interesting nickname Money Moicano  ;D
I dont know if Dana will accept his request but UFC is working with some crypto companies, so it is not impossible to happen.
https://decrypt.co/226622/ufc-fighter-moicano-mises-bitcoin
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 21, 2024, 12:24:48 AM
I forgot to say after UFC 300 that UFC fighter Renato Moicano in post fight interview asked to be paid in Bitcoin and he called fans to study Bitcoin more!
He is one of the top MMA fighters in Lightweight category and he has very interesting nickname Money Moicano  ;D
I dont know if Dana will accept his request but UFC is working with some crypto companies, so it is not impossible to happen.
https://decrypt.co/226622/ufc-fighter-moicano-mises-bitcoin

Lol, his post-fight interview made me laugh. He didn't mention Bitcoin there (he did so on Twitter after the fight) but this quote should be legendary:
"If you care about your f**king country, read Ludwig von Mises and the Six Lessons of the Austrian Economic School, motherf**kers"

He sure knows how to capture the audience  ;D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 24, 2024, 12:50:07 AM
The main card for the upcoming UFC fight night (Sat/Sun 27th/28th April):

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/23/jq6Wl.png)

In the main event, we'll see Matheus Nicolau (currently ranked 5th in the Flyweight) fighting against Alex Perez (ranked 8th).
Nicolau is a favourite with odds at x1.53. Could be interesting.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 25, 2024, 12:03:41 AM
The main card for the upcoming UFC fight night (Sat/Sun 27th/28th April)
I am not interested in most of the fights in this fight card, and it looks to boring to me.
There are two or three fights I might watched later as recording, but nothing that would make me stay up to watch the entire event.
This happens sometimes after big fight cards like it was with UFC 300.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 26, 2024, 10:34:59 PM
The main card for the upcoming UFC fight night (Sat/Sun 27th/28th April)
I am not interested in most of the fights in this fight card, and it looks to boring to me.
There are two or three fights I might watched later as recording, but nothing that would make me stay up to watch the entire event.
This happens sometimes after big fight cards like it was with UFC 300.

UFC presented great fight cards since 298 but after the 300 i guess its over. we are back to fight nights that are just a filler episode in an action series. even the 301 is not so much exciting.

i think its time to pay huge to those fighters like Islam to move up to welterweight when they see no one is challenging them anymore in their division. incentivizing those fighters who moves up will make the divisions exciting.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 27, 2024, 12:29:09 AM
UFC presented great fight cards since 298 but after the 300 i guess its over. we are back to fight nights that are just a filler episode in an action series. even the 301 is not so much exciting.

It's impossible to have high-profile events every week or two, so those fight nights act, as you said, as "fillers" just to give something to watch to MMA connoisseurs and it's a good opportunity for lesser fighters to build their name and get experience in fighting on a 5-rounds distance.

i think its time to pay huge to those fighters like Islam to move up to welterweight when they see no one is challenging them anymore in their division. incentivizing those fighters who moves up will make the divisions exciting.

Islam can't complain about lack of worthy opponents. He's fighting Dustin soon, then (assuming he wins) most likely will face Tsarukyan, after that he'll fight whoever emerges to the top, I'm hoping for Gamrot, but there's also Max Holloway or even Conor as possible options. Or maybe, if Topuria doesn't disappoint, they could do a super-fight between them.

Anyhow, Islam said he wants to fight 3 times a year and it looks like the UFC is keen on that too, so we might see him fighting quite often.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 27, 2024, 11:35:01 PM
UFC presented great fight cards since 298 but after the 300 i guess its over. we are back to fight nights that are just a filler episode in an action series. even the 301 is not so much exciting.

It's impossible to have high-profile events every week or two, so those fight nights act, as you said, as "fillers" just to give something to watch to MMA connoisseurs and it's a good opportunity for lesser fighters to build their name and get experience in fighting on a 5-rounds distance.

i think its time to pay huge to those fighters like Islam to move up to welterweight when they see no one is challenging them anymore in their division. incentivizing those fighters who moves up will make the divisions exciting.

Islam can't complain about lack of worthy opponents. He's fighting Dustin soon, then (assuming he wins) most likely will face Tsarukyan, after that he'll fight whoever emerges to the top, I'm hoping for Gamrot, but there's also Max Holloway or even Conor as possible options. Or maybe, if Topuria doesn't disappoint, they could do a super-fight between them.

Anyhow, Islam said he wants to fight 3 times a year and it looks like the UFC is keen on that too, so we might see him fighting quite often.

3 times a year seem fair. but when its time to move up, he should go out risking himself like Max. a 2nd chance for Tsarukyan is fair.

anyway, ever heard the rumor about Jones being Gay? so funny that i'm just curious to know if there is truth to it. Jones seem to be suing MMAGuru for this claim but he had been doing this claim for days already but this time he has a video of Jones drunk.

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Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 27, 2024, 11:41:38 PM
UFC presented great fight cards since 298 but after the 300 i guess its over. we are back to fight nights that are just a filler episode in an action series. even the 301 is not so much exciting.
UFC 301 is much fight card better, this is no brainer.
Main event is Flyweight Championship title fight Pantoja vs Erceg, than we have José Aldo in his last fight in the UFC contract in co-main event.
Anthony Smith is always interesting to watch, and there are other interesting fights, much more interesting than this week event.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 28, 2024, 06:54:25 PM
Main Card results of the last night's UFC fight night:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/28/rCbC2.png)

Lots of KOs, so I guess it wasn't that boring after all :)
Small surprise in the main event, the underdog, Perez, KO'd Nicolau in the 2nd round. Fully deserved win, he was much more aggressive and really went for it. He gave a good fight last time against Mokaev but lost by decision.
He'll probably go up in the ranking by at least one place.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on April 30, 2024, 11:34:13 AM
Very interesting upcoming UFC 301 event with Flyweight title fight Pantoja vs Erceg, but I am more interested in watching last UFC fight for legendary Jose Aldo.
I dont think UFC will extend his contract but he has few more fights left in him, so maybe we see him in PFL or different MMA promotion.
Vitor Petrino is another fighter I never saw any of his fights and I am curious if he can remain undefeated against Smith.

(https://i.ibb.co/3kNGypt/imgc9f887c234f2cf71c3c1807a2c9b2903.jpg)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 30, 2024, 11:34:35 PM

interesting to know there are still few fights left for Aldo in UFC contract. maybe if Conor will be knocked out by Chandler, Conor and Aldo will have their rematch. i think people will still want to see them fight for once. they used to be the biggest in UFC. they got old of course but having the fight in Netflix i think will unite all fans to watch on TV from Ireland to Brazil.

i have no idea who Erceg actually but whoever the match maker who put him against Pantoja must have seen something.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on May 01, 2024, 11:44:00 PM
interesting to know there are still few fights left for Aldo in UFC contract. maybe if Conor will be knocked out by Chandler, Conor and Aldo will have their rematch. i think people will still want to see them fight for once. they used to be the biggest in UFC. they got old of course but having the fight in Netflix i think will unite all fans to watch on TV from Ireland to Brazil.
This is Aldo last fight in UFC contract, and he said he was going to retired in 2022, and went into boxing fights with very good results.
He is getting older and I dont think we can see him with Conor in UFC, maybe they can make some boxing fight instead.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 02, 2024, 08:12:42 PM
There was some follow up on Arman Tsarukyan punching a fan during his walk out at the UFC 300.

He explained his reasons punching/attempting to punch the guy here:
i=gkvQRpkQviQTaYTt&t=168

I kind of understand him, we're all humans, if you're flipping a middle finger to the other guy and disrespect him, you should expect some violence. On the other hand, when he publicly announced that he will keep responding like that to fans' provocations, he's guaranteed to have more of them in his next fights.

According to the DailyStar, he got an equivalent of £28,000 withheld by the Nevada State Athletic Commission as a penalty, which is 20% of his £126,000 earnings from the fight. Source:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/ufc/arman-tsarukyan-punches-fan-ufc-32713844
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on May 02, 2024, 11:51:36 PM
I kind of understand him, we're all humans, if you're flipping a middle finger to the other guy and disrespect him, you should expect some violence. On the other hand, when he publicly announced that he will keep responding like that to fans' provocations, he's guaranteed to have more of them in his next fights.
I think this is stupid from him  :o
Why would you need to fight with anyone who shows you middle finger or tell you something you dont like?
One day he is going to try to fight against someone crazy who is going to use gun against him.
It is much better to have self control when you are professional fighter.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on May 05, 2024, 10:36:50 PM
interesting to know there are still few fights left for Aldo in UFC contract. maybe if Conor will be knocked out by Chandler, Conor and Aldo will have their rematch. i think people will still want to see them fight for once. they used to be the biggest in UFC. they got old of course but having the fight in Netflix i think will unite all fans to watch on TV from Ireland to Brazil.
This is Aldo last fight in UFC contract, and he said he was going to retired in 2022, and went into boxing fights with very good results.
He is getting older and I dont think we can see him with Conor in UFC, maybe they can make some boxing fight instead.

he used to be the GOAT.
he seem capable of fighting younger fighters.  either its the drugs or he is just faster in his last fight. he could have knocked the boy down but aldo isn't this savage to end the career of this boy so he just take down the boy.  UFC 301 is indeed not so much exciting but there are few remarkable. the Early Prelims has a record of 2 KOs which is better than the main card.

ever saw the news today that Anthony Smith vs Alex Pereira bets $50k in their fight? Hope Dana will give this a green light.
Alex is a hot Market, Jones also wants him.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 06, 2024, 11:40:18 PM
The UFC 301 main card results:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/06/rgUYq.png)

Successful title defense by Pantoja and an important win for Jose Aldo.

I think the biggest loser of the UFC 301 was Vitor Petrino. Many are not familiar with the name, but he was on the verge of jumping into the ranking and being considered for fights with big names. He had a lot of hype potential with his 11-0 record and a high finish ratio, so they gave him Anthony Smith, who seemed to be on the decline, but Smith derailed his hype train with a first-round guillotine choke.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 12, 2024, 05:04:29 PM
Main card's results of the last night's event:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/12/1ZgFG.png)

Derrick Lewis delivered big time. Despite his age and self-admitted poor cardio, he managed to pace himself well enough to make it to round 3 when he KO'd Nascimento.
It wasn't a masterclass performance by either of them but fairly entertaining. A much-needed win for Lewis, who, before that fight, had lost 4 out of the last 5 fights. Now he's back in the game, although I don't think he'll be moved up in the ranks.

To me, the biggest upset was Mateusz Rebecki's loss to Ferreira. Rebecki was a big favourite and it was his chance to break into the top 15 in the most entertaining weight-class in the UFC, but he lost by TKO in rd 3. Hope he'll bounce back as he has potential.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on May 12, 2024, 05:44:29 PM
You never really know what you'll get with Lewis that's why I try to avoid betting on him. Every fighter probably knows his weakness and has a way to beat him but everyone also knows they could get knockdown by his power (Nascimento found that out the hard way). I think he'll still be a gatekeeper for a couple of years. I don't think he'll win a belt but he's still a fan favorite.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on May 12, 2024, 11:10:10 PM
Main card's results of the last night's event:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/12/1ZgFG.png)

Derrick Lewis delivered big time. Despite his age and self-admitted poor cardio, he managed to pace himself well enough to make it to round 3 when he KO'd Nascimento.
It wasn't a masterclass performance by either of them but fairly entertaining. A much-needed win for Lewis, who, before that fight, had lost 4 out of the last 5 fights. Now he's back in the game, although I don't think he'll be moved up in the ranks.

To me, the biggest upset was Mateusz Rebecki's loss to Ferreira. Rebecki was a big favourite and it was his chance to break into the top 15 in the most entertaining weight-class in the UFC, but he lost by TKO in rd 3. Hope he'll bounce back as he has potential.

didn't bet nor watch the fight actually. i just tune it to youtube to see the replays. Nascimento grappling never worked on him, Derricks been very lucky all the time that he isn't choked by the HW stranglers.

congrats to Derrick. this time he celebrated with his usual act. not the kind of taking of his shorts because his balls is hot. 
the time when he fought Lima, he was lighter, people thought he will go LW.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 14, 2024, 12:34:33 AM
You never really know what you'll get with Lewis that's why I try to avoid betting on him. Every fighter probably knows his weakness and has a way to beat him but everyone also knows they could get knockdown by his power (Nascimento found that out the hard way). I think he'll still be a gatekeeper for a couple of years. I don't think he'll win a belt but he's still a fan favorite.

Yeah, Derrick is the type of fighter that is entertaining to watch, but pretty horrible to bet on. Unless we're talking about betting on a fight not going to distance (rather than on a winner), then he's pretty reliable, only 7 out of his 41 fights have gone to judges' decision.

He's 39 right now, so I'm not sure if he still has a couple of years left, but who knows, age is not as big of a factor in the Heavyweight as it is in lower divisions.

ps. Lewis has extended his UFC record for most KOs, currently at 15.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 16, 2024, 10:56:24 PM
The UFC 304 has finally been announced. It will take place in Machester UK on July 27th.
The main card so far:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/16/1sFMJ.png)

I don't think Tom's injury in their first fight warranted any rematch, but Blaydes was simply the best option available. Obviously Cyril Gane was ranked higher, but according to Tom's video:
he was not interested in fighting in Manchester on that date as allegedly it collided with his acting commitments. So Curtis it is.
I'm really glad to see that Aspinall wants to stay active and is not avoiding fights with fighters ranked below him. And having the chance to avenge his only loss (if you can call it that) is always a plus.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 18, 2024, 11:51:00 AM
Is anyone excited about tonight's UFC Event? Given it's just a Fight Night even and collides with the Fury Vs Usyk megafight, the UFC didn't bring in any high profile fighters. The only guy I'm familiar here is Barboza, who will be the underdog against Lerone Murphy. I've done some quick search on Murphy, he's undefeated (with one draw though), got 7 out of his 13 wins by KO, and the rest by decision. Very possible it'll be a 100% striking match, as both of them prefer stand up.
It's a big chance for Murpgy to possibly break into the top 15. And who knows, maybe if he wins and suffer no damage, they would put him on the UFC 304 card (main or prelim), given it's in Manchester, UK and that's where he's from.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/18/1frHC.png)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on May 18, 2024, 02:05:40 PM
^ Nobody cares about those fights ;D

Seriously speaking, Belal can finally shut up and focus on training as he finally got the title shot that he wanted for so long.

I'm not hating on Aspinall or underestimating him but this is probably Blaydes' best chance of winning the title. I'm likely to pick fight not going the distance here.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on May 18, 2024, 10:06:34 PM

The UFC 304 has finally been announced. It will take place in Machester UK on July 27th.
The main card so far:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/16/1sFMJ.png)

I don't think Tom's injury in their first fight warranted any rematch, but Blaydes was simply the best option available. Obviously Cyril Gane was ranked higher, but according to Tom's video:
he was not interested in fighting in Manchester on that date as allegedly it collided with his acting commitments. So Curtis it is.
I'm really glad to see that Aspinall wants to stay active and is not avoiding fights with fighters ranked below him. And having the chance to avenge his only loss (if you can call it that) is always a plus.

Tom doesn't have much choice as Jones is inactive.  and though its unusual that an interim contender has to defend high position, i think this is to maintain his position ready to fight whenever Jones comes back.

Dana will probably keep him fighting someone else maybe Stipe and then Gane or even Lewis until Dana gets the desired outcome. Curtis is never easy to begin with.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 19, 2024, 12:04:40 AM
Tom doesn't have much choice as Jones is inactive.  and though its unusual that an interim contender has to defend high position, i think this is to maintain his position ready to fight whenever Jones comes back.

Dana will probably keep him fighting someone else maybe Stipe and then Gane or even Lewis until Dana gets the desired outcome. Curtis is never easy to begin with.

Yeah, the first choice for Tom was Cyril, but he couldn't make it as he'll be shooting some film or something, so Curtis stepped in instead.
Dana has already confirmed that Jones will be fighting Stipe next, which is an odd situation as the undisputed champ should be fighting the interim champ immediately after his return from an absence.
So, depending on when the Jones Vs Stipe fight will take place, Tom's next opponent would either be Jones (assuming both of them win their fights) or probably Gane.
If Jones refuses to fight the interim champ after the Stipe fight, he would almost certainly be stripped of the title.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 19, 2024, 06:30:59 PM
Main card results from the last night's fight night event:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/19/1rvCf.png)

Lerone Murphy didn't disappoint and manged to win by decision after 5 round war with Barboza. As expected, he expressed his interest in featuring in the UFC 304 in Manchester UK, his home town.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on May 20, 2024, 10:35:15 PM
Tom doesn't have much choice as Jones is inactive.  and though its unusual that an interim contender has to defend high position, i think this is to maintain his position ready to fight whenever Jones comes back.

Dana will probably keep him fighting someone else maybe Stipe and then Gane or even Lewis until Dana gets the desired outcome. Curtis is never easy to begin with.

Yeah, the first choice for Tom was Cyril, but he couldn't make it as he'll be shooting some film or something, so Curtis stepped in instead.
Dana has already confirmed that Jones will be fighting Stipe next, which is an odd situation as the undisputed champ should be fighting the interim champ immediately after his return from an absence.
So, depending on when the Jones Vs Stipe fight will take place, Tom's next opponent would either be Jones (assuming both of them win their fights) or probably Gane.
If Jones refuses to fight the interim champ after the Stipe fight, he would almost certainly be stripped of the title.

Jones already admitted he will not fight anyone but Stipe and he get paid $15M and then quit UFC. this must be his last fight which he is going  to batter the old man.
this is base on PM leaked by someone that he talked with in twitter https://twitter.com/SpinninBackfist/status/1791709220854812952

history will tell something for this guy. its an asterisk. but he must have felt it already that he may not win against someone younger anymore.
but this is like leaving the belt for everyone to fight for it.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 22, 2024, 12:00:33 AM
(...) this is base on PM leaked by someone that he talked with in twitter https://twitter.com/SpinninBackfist/status/1791709220854812952 (...)

No way this is real  ;D
If it is, it's not really a leaked convo, he just dm'd a guy who hated on him, so he was probably trolling. Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit... I don't know.


Anyhow, here's Paolo Costa with a piece of financial advice:
https://x.com/BorrachinhaMMA/status/1791263736453628089

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on May 22, 2024, 10:12:57 PM
(...) this is base on PM leaked by someone that he talked with in twitter https://twitter.com/SpinninBackfist/status/1791709220854812952 (...)

No way this is real  ;D
If it is, it's not really a leaked convo, he just dm'd a guy who hated on him, so he was probably trolling. Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit... I don't know.


Anyhow, here's Paolo Costa with a piece of financial advice:
https://x.com/BorrachinhaMMA/status/1791263736453628089

i just read it on twitter though but a lot of users confirmed this is real jones bony account. looks like the GOAT is showing his real color. that's how he look at his fans i guess.

and he only wants to fight Stipe who in his last fight was brutally KOd and then retired. probably not wanting to fight anymore but because the offer is huge to refuse, Stipe might just bite. Dana will not likely make him fight Tom.

good for Costa in investing BTC. he is right about that woman. she just need a gym and diet and everyone will turn for a second look at her.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 23, 2024, 12:48:19 AM
and he only wants to fight Stipe who in his last fight was brutally KOd and then retired. probably not wanting to fight anymore but because the offer is huge to refuse, Stipe might just bite. Dana will not likely make him fight Tom.

If Tom manages to defend his interim belt against Curtis at the UFC 304, which he most likely will, his popularity will grow even more. Jones is already taking a lot of critique for pushing to fight Stipe instead of Tom, so if he was to announce his retirement after that fight, it would be widely seen as an act of cowardice, escaping from the most worthy opponent. If he cares about his "legacy", that would be a stupid move.
Looking at things money-wise, it makes sense for Jones to wait till Tom is hyped up to the maximum and then take that fight, which could turn out to be one of the biggest in terms of revenue.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on May 24, 2024, 02:25:01 PM
In your view, what will be Costa's plan when he faces Strickland in 302? I'd like to bet on him because of the attractive odds but I'm not sure how he'll approach it. The guy is a black belt jiu-jitsu but he also loves to brawl. Do you think he'll fight smart with takedowns and submission or he'll mostly trade punches?
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on May 24, 2024, 09:14:39 PM
In your view, what will be Costa's plan when he faces Strickland in 302? I'd like to bet on him because of the attractive odds but I'm not sure how he'll approach it. The guy is a black belt jiu-jitsu but he also loves to brawl. Do you think he'll fight smart with takedowns and submission or he'll mostly trade punches?

just may take. Strickland is all defense actually but can also strike straight jabs that gives him the advantage over Costa. if they just trade punches, Strickland has the advantage. he has a strong TD which he may be able to counter instead. but this is also what Costa can do to turn the fight to his favor.

since i believe the Costa curse and his secret juice can make things possible. i will parlay Costa and Justin for a little amount just in case to make sure i cover the loss.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 24, 2024, 11:32:29 PM
In your view, what will be Costa's plan when he faces Strickland in 302? I'd like to bet on him because of the attractive odds but I'm not sure how he'll approach it. The guy is a black belt jiu-jitsu but he also loves to brawl. Do you think he'll fight smart with takedowns and submission or he'll mostly trade punches?

Betting on Costa might not be a bad idea. Could be a good value bet, the odds for him are x2.90 (Strickland: x1.41).
Don't get fooled by the black-belt thing, some schools give away belts like candies. Strickland is also a black belt in BJJ according to Wikipedia.
Both are brawlers and that's what we're going to see, unless one of them gets beat up so badly that he'll have no other choice but to try his luck by taking it to the ground.
Strickland is a better boxer but Costa has better kicks. He landed a nice spinning heel kick against Whittaker, but it didn't knock Robert out.

I'll give Strickland max 60% chance of winning and Costa 40%. So anything above x2.50 is a good deal.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on June 01, 2024, 01:42:04 PM
I caught a glimpse of the face off of Costa and Strickland from the ceremonial weigh-in. Based on what they said that time, it's going to be a stand-up fight. I doubt anybody is going to take the other guy down and it's going to be an exciting brawl.

Dustin looked intense showing he really wants that belt while Islam is just calm and just wants to do all the talking in the Octagon.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 01, 2024, 06:08:41 PM
I caught a glimpse of the face off of Costa and Strickland from the ceremonial weigh-in. Based on what they said that time, it's going to be a stand-up fight. I doubt anybody is going to take the other guy down and it's going to be an exciting brawl.

Dustin looked intense showing he really wants that belt while Islam is just calm and just wants to do all the talking in the Octagon.

I don't expect anything else other than stand up from Strickland and Costa, that's unless one of them gets outstriked so badly that has no other option but to search for the win on the ground, but I doubt that would happen.

Islam has a lot of confidence in his skills and knows Dustin doesn't have many options other than looking for a KO. Plus, he was the one asking for this fight to happen, so there's no reason for him to get overly emotional, it's Poirier who needs to hype himself up, but it could've been an attempt to intimidate Makhachev.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 01, 2024, 09:39:36 PM
I caught a glimpse of the face off of Costa and Strickland from the ceremonial weigh-in. Based on what they said that time, it's going to be a stand-up fight. I doubt anybody is going to take the other guy down and it's going to be an exciting brawl.

Dustin looked intense showing he really wants that belt while Islam is just calm and just wants to do all the talking in the Octagon.

I don't expect anything else other than stand up from Strickland and Costa, that's unless one of them gets outstriked so badly that has no other option but to search for the win on the ground, but I doubt that would happen.

Islam has a lot of confidence in his skills and knows Dustin doesn't have many options other than looking for a KO. Plus, he was the one asking for this fight to happen, so there's no reason for him to get overly emotional, it's Poirier who needs to hype himself up, but it could've been an attempt to intimidate Makhachev.

why were they not matched earlier in their career by the way, this seem to be a better fight before Dustin lost his BMF belt. it would have been bigger fight promotion.
i like the Duelbit oddboost making Islam's odds to be 3.50

i tried the MMA fight Picker GPT: https://chat.openai.com/g/g-a4l5RVxni-fight-analyst-advanced

and the result is this:

Quote
Fighter Profiles
Islam Makhachev
Weight Class: Lightweight (155 lbs)
Record: 24-1
Striking
Striking Accuracy: 60
Striking Defense: 68
Power: 65
Striking Diversity: 70
Grappling
Takedown Accuracy: 88
Takedown Defense: 90
Submission Skills: 85
Physical Traits
Reach: 70.5 inches
Height: 5'10"
Cardio: 92
Durability: 85
Gym Quality: Elite (American Kickboxing Academy)
Training Partners: Khabib Nurmagomedov, Daniel Cormier


Dustin Poirier
Weight Class: Lightweight (155 lbs)
Record: 29-7 (1 NC)
Striking
Striking Accuracy: 55
Striking Defense: 56
Power: 65
Striking Diversity: 70
Grappling
Takedown Accuracy: 65
Takedown Defense: 65
Submission Skills: 70
Physical Traits
Reach: 72 inches
Height: 5'9"
Cardio: 90
Durability: 90
Gym Quality: Elite (American Top Team)
Training Partners: Jorge Masvidal, Colby Covington
Scoring Metrics
Striking
Islam Makhachev: 60 (accuracy) + 68 (defense) + 65 (power) + 70 (diversity) = 263
Dustin Poirier: 55 (accuracy) + 56 (defense) + 65 (power) + 70 (diversity) = 246
Grappling
Islam Makhachev: 88 (accuracy) + 90 (defense) + 85 (submission) = 263
Dustin Poirier: 65 (accuracy) + 65 (defense) + 70 (submission) = 200
Physical Traits
Islam Makhachev: 70.5 (reach) + 92 (cardio) + 85 (durability) = 247.5
Dustin Poirier: 72 (reach) + 90 (cardio) + 90 (durability) = 252
Gym Quality and Training Partners
Islam Makhachev: 95 (gym quality) + 95 (training partners) = 190
Dustin Poirier: 95 (gym quality) + 90 (training partners) = 185
Total Scores
Islam Makhachev: 263 (striking) + 263 (grappling) + 247.5 (physical) + 190 (gym and partners) = 963.5
Dustin Poirier: 246 (striking) + 200 (grappling) + 252 (physical) + 185 (gym and partners) = 883
Analysis and Prediction
Islam Makhachev has the edge in grappling, striking defense, and cardio. Poirier’s strengths in striking power and experience in elite competition are notable but are outweighed by Makhachev’s superior grappling and conditioning. Makhachev’s ability to control the fight on the ground, combined with his training environment and partners, gives him a significant advantage.

Prediction
Predicted Winner: Islam Makhachev
Confidence Percentage: 70%
Round: 4
Method of Victory: Submission


Summary
Islam Makhachev’s grappling expertise and cardio will likely be the deciding factors in this bout. While Poirier has solid striking and durability, Makhachev's ability to control the pace and utilize his superior ground game should lead to a submission victory in the fourth round.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 01, 2024, 11:40:37 PM
why were they not matched earlier in their career by the way, this seem to be a better fight before Dustin lost his BMF belt. it would have been bigger fight promotion.

They probably would have gotten matched earlier if not for Volkanovski deciding to move up, which made things a bit complicated at that time in the lightweight.


i like the Duelbit oddboost making Islam's odds to be 3.50
For outright winner? If so, this is really good. I'm guessing there must be some maximum wager or other limitation?
If that's true, you could just bet a maximum allowed and arbitrage on another platform for a guaranteed profit.

i tried the MMA fight Picker GPT: https://chat.openai.com/g/g-a4l5RVxni-fight-analyst-advanced
lol, I didn't know they made such a tool, looks interesting. I've entered a couple of matches that have already happened in the past and the predictions were surprisingly good.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on June 02, 2024, 09:20:39 AM
Fight went longer than my expectation but Islam won as expected. Kudos to Dustin and his team for putting a great effort and giving the champ a hard time but someone with an excellent grappling/wrestling is really a bad match up for him.

Strickland vs. Costa was also not the kind of fight I was looking forward too but the score took all the talking points there. It was probably the most contrasting judging I saw recently. The one judge that gave 4 rounds to Costa must be looking for other criteria ;D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 02, 2024, 09:38:16 PM
Fight went longer than my expectation but Islam won as expected. Kudos to Dustin and his team for putting a great effort and giving the champ a hard time but someone with an excellent grappling/wrestling is really a bad match up for him.

Strickland vs. Costa was also not the kind of fight I was looking forward too but the score took all the talking points there. It was probably the most contrasting judging I saw recently. The one judge that gave 4 rounds to Costa must be looking for other criteria ;D

didn't watch the fight live i just watch the snippets on youtube but i saw the result. Strickland's fight are always this way and with the way he fight, its always boring yet he is always the ones controlling the pace because he stands his ground. as always it makes Strickland's opponent to back peddle as he throws jabs everytime.

i tried the MMA fight Picker GPT: https://chat.openai.com/g/g-a4l5RVxni-fight-analyst-advanced
lol, I didn't know they made such a tool, looks interesting. I've entered a couple of matches that have already happened in the past and the predictions were surprisingly good.

saw that link in the betting forum. it predicts well for those guys. this time it just predicted 4th round to where the fight ends. but clearly its a useful tool even for a bettor who isn't a fan of UFC.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 02, 2024, 11:04:00 PM
saw that link in the betting forum. it predicts well for those guys. this time it just predicted 4th round to where the fight ends. but clearly its a useful tool even for a bettor who isn't a fan of UFC.

Yeah, it wasn't far off. I actually made a small bet on Islam winning in 4th, it didn't happen, but I'll probably keep using that tool and see where it takes me. Thanks for sharing.


Quick thoughts on 2 main event fights:

Strickland Vs Costa wasn't as much of a dog fight as expected but was still OK. Costa had a good tactic of getting out of Sean's way and chopping him with those calf kicks, but he needed to take a risk and go all in in the last rounds, but that just didn't happen as he was just too gassed out.

Despite a loss, Dustin has nothing to be ashamed of after that fight and probably has gained a lot in the eyes of the fans and the UFC. Both gave a really good show. But situation in the lightweight gets a bit complicated. Islam wants to move up to face the winner of Leon/Belal, is not looking to fight Tsarukyan, but says he will if that's what the UFC wants him to do.
Poirier has announced his "half-retirement", meaning he probably won't be looking any regular fights, unless there's something on the line there. Since he's not getting a title fight anytime soon, this probably leaves only a fight for the BMF belt with Holloway, which would make sense as both had a great fight the first time around. But I believe Holloway was set for a title shot against Topuria, so this might not happen. The other option I see for Dustin, is to get another high-profile win against someone from the top 5, and hoping that Islam will lose to Arman (if they'll fight at all) and then he could get his final fight for the 155 belt against Arman.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 05, 2024, 12:03:33 AM
The UFC Fight Night event on Sat 8th June looks pretty decent:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/04/cHSuv.png)

Cannonier Vs Imanov should be a pretty close fight, with no clear favourite, although bookies slightly favour Imanov to win.
It will be an important fight for Reyes, who's on 4 losses streak and is coming back after injury. He last fought in November 2022, so quite a long time ago.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 06, 2024, 10:47:48 PM
saw that link in the betting forum. it predicts well for those guys. this time it just predicted 4th round to where the fight ends. but clearly its a useful tool even for a bettor who isn't a fan of UFC.

Yeah, it wasn't far off. I actually made a small bet on Islam winning in 4th, it didn't happen, but I'll probably keep using that tool and see where it takes me. Thanks for sharing.


Quick thoughts on 2 main event fights:

Strickland Vs Costa wasn't as much of a dog fight as expected but was still OK. Costa had a good tactic of getting out of Sean's way and chopping him with those calf kicks, but he needed to take a risk and go all in in the last rounds, but that just didn't happen as he was just too gassed out.

Despite a loss, Dustin has nothing to be ashamed of after that fight and probably has gained a lot in the eyes of the fans and the UFC. Both gave a really good show. But situation in the lightweight gets a bit complicated. Islam wants to move up to face the winner of Leon/Belal, is not looking to fight Tsarukyan, but says he will if that's what the UFC wants him to do.
Poirier has announced his "half-retirement", meaning he probably won't be looking any regular fights, unless there's something on the line there. Since he's not getting a title fight anytime soon, this probably leaves only a fight for the BMF belt with Holloway, which would make sense as both had a great fight the first time around. But I believe Holloway was set for a title shot against Topuria, so this might not happen. The other option I see for Dustin, is to get another high-profile win against someone from the top 5, and hoping that Islam will lose to Arman (if they'll fight at all) and then he could get his final fight for the 155 belt against Arman.

Dustin fought hard like his life depends on it. that last round tap is the last option already as Islam got it too tight. idk why something snap in Jahamal's brain that he wants Dustin to be nailed by the crowd because Dustin also lost. twitter beef is all  ;D

Arman did some comments about Porier vs Islam too, twitter has tons of beef to follow as everyone wants to get a high profile fight. but Arman is very young. he hasn't been there yet how hard it will be for him at age 35 fighting a prime Islam.

Holloway vs Topuria would be good to watch if its happening. the Spaniard has the hardest chin, its going to be a fair fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 06, 2024, 11:15:40 PM
Dustin fought hard like his life depends on it. that last round tap is the last option already as Islam got it too tight. idk why something snap in Jahamal's brain that he wants Dustin to be nailed by the crowd because Dustin also lost. twitter beef is all  ;D

Arman did some comments about Porier vs Islam too, twitter has tons of beef to follow as everyone wants to get a high profile fight. but Arman is very young. he hasn't been there yet how hard it will be for him at age 35 fighting a prime Islam.

Holloway vs Topuria would be good to watch if its happening. the Spaniard has the hardest chin, its going to be a fair fight.

I took a little break from social media so must've missed all the drama.
Topuria Vs Holloway is not yet confirmed as far as I know, but Holloway is definitely the best option for Topuria right now and it's a fight that makes the most sense.

In other news, there's a lot of speculation going on on whether McGregor will be ready to fight Chandler at the UFC 303 on 30th June. Conor didn't show up to the latest promo press conference in Dublin, which is not a good sign.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 07, 2024, 09:05:14 PM
Dustin fought hard like his life depends on it. that last round tap is the last option already as Islam got it too tight. idk why something snap in Jahamal's brain that he wants Dustin to be nailed by the crowd because Dustin also lost. twitter beef is all  ;D

Arman did some comments about Porier vs Islam too, twitter has tons of beef to follow as everyone wants to get a high profile fight. but Arman is very young. he hasn't been there yet how hard it will be for him at age 35 fighting a prime Islam.

Holloway vs Topuria would be good to watch if its happening. the Spaniard has the hardest chin, its going to be a fair fight.

I took a little break from social media so must've missed all the drama.
Topuria Vs Holloway is not yet confirmed as far as I know, but Holloway is definitely the best option for Topuria right now and it's a fight that makes the most sense.

In other news, there's a lot of speculation going on on whether McGregor will be ready to fight Chandler at the UFC 303 on 30th June. Conor didn't show up to the latest promo press conference in Dublin, which is not a good sign.

a lot of users were disappointed about Conor not appearing in the prescon and then its speculated the fight may not materialized and rumors coming out he was injured during a sparring.

just yesterday he posted a new photo in his account though. no injury seem to be serious in him. some say that him not going to the presscon is because he wants to play  Chandler. Chandler flew to Florida thinking the fight is cancel and then Conor posted another photo and a sparring video killing he rumor. Must be frustrating for Chandler, its like Conor owned him.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 07, 2024, 10:46:01 PM
a lot of users were disappointed about Conor not appearing in the prescon and then its speculated the fight may not materialized and rumors coming out he was injured during a sparring.

just yesterday he posted a new photo in his account though. no injury seem to be serious in him. some say that him not going to the presscon is because he wants to play  Chandler. Chandler flew to Florida thinking the fight is cancel and then Conor posted another photo and a sparring video killing he rumor. Must be frustrating for Chandler, its like Conor owned him.

I don't think all that was just to troll Chandler, who, I imagine gets any updates straight from the UFC, not from social media, so he should know exactly what's really going on. So I can't imagine he would leave his training camp unless he got an info from the UFC that the fight is off.
It could be that both are trolling, or it's just a way to further hype up the fight by getting fans and media more interested.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 09, 2024, 06:22:21 PM
I do understand the logic behind referees caring about fighters and stopping fights when they see they're just about to get badly KO'd but announcing Cannonier's loss was pre-mature. Yes, he got rocked, but he was successfully defending himself (including escaping) and looked like he was recovering and the worst was behind him when the ref waived his arms to stop it.

Big win by Reyes. He was an underdog, due to his 4-losses streak and over 1.5 year inactivity caused by health problems, but he managed to surprise Jacoby with a left knee and finished the job with punches. He's not yet that old at 34, so might still be able to climb back at the top of the light heavyweight.

Full results:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/09/cIeGW.png)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 09, 2024, 07:39:06 PM
I do understand the logic behind referees caring about fighters and stopping fights when they see they're just about to get badly KO'd but announcing Cannonier's loss was pre-mature. Yes, he got rocked, but he was successfully defending himself (including escaping) and looked like he was recovering and the worst was behind him when the ref waived his arms to stop it.

Big win by Reyes. He was an underdog, due to his 4-losses streak and over 1.5 year inactivity caused by health problems, but he managed to surprise Jacoby with a left knee and finished the job with punches. He's not yet that old at 34, so might still be able to climb back at the top of the light heavyweight.

Full results:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/09/cIeGW.png)

Jacoby was about to win, he was stalking and was throwing shots and suddenly the counter hit lol it wasn't even a swing that could throttle but its unexpected that wobbles the leg of Jacoby and that knee nailed the win. Reyes is back. not sure if it was the POTN but it could be Ferreira's win which is one of most devastating in this card.

it could be an early stoppage since Cannonier seem to have recovered. but clearly he was struggling as Imavov is also keeping the pace already. referee stepping is mostly to protect Cannonier from more beating.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on June 09, 2024, 11:46:20 PM
The comments after Dom got back to the winning column is crazy ;D After the amount of losses he's got, they still bring up how they though he was robbed before. I think some people are trying to stir the pot for a fight with Jones but that's not gonna happen anytime soon.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 10, 2024, 06:54:07 PM
The comments after Dom got back to the winning column is crazy ;D After the amount of losses he's got, they still bring up how they though he was robbed before. I think some people are trying to stir the pot for a fight with Jones but that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

they're happy to see Doms break the losing streak in his career.  i don't think he'd get another chance to Jones. besides the Jones has been ready to retire after Stipe fight. its not going to change Jones decision to retire afaik.

Reyes ranked so low in the LH, i think he'd be staying in this division for good and maybe 5 fights more he'd be ready to retire too. ranking up to the 5th is likely an uphill climb for him again.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 13, 2024, 10:37:49 AM
The comments after Dom got back to the winning column is crazy ;D After the amount of losses he's got, they still bring up how they though he was robbed before. I think some people are trying to stir the pot for a fight with Jones but that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

they're happy to see Doms break the losing streak in his career.  i don't think he'd get another chance to Jones. besides the Jones has been ready to retire after Stipe fight. its not going to change Jones decision to retire afaik.

Reyes ranked so low in the LH, i think he'd be staying in this division for good and maybe 5 fights more he'd be ready to retire too. ranking up to the 5th is likely an uphill climb for him again.

Yeah, the chance we'll ever see Jones Vs Reyes 2 is zero. Whether or not Jones will retire after the Stipe fight - I don't know, but he's definitely not going back to the light heavyweight.

Reyes was down on his luck in the previous fights. It's not just that he had lost 4 in a row, in fact, the loss to Jones was more of a win and boosted his popularity, but he suffered bad KOs in the last 3 losses, which made it look like his career was about to end. And then he got injured and suffered from deep vein thrombosis, a potentially life-threatening blood clot in the leg.
So no wonder people are happy to see him winning again, myself included.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 13, 2024, 10:30:04 PM
The comments after Dom got back to the winning column is crazy ;D After the amount of losses he's got, they still bring up how they though he was robbed before. I think some people are trying to stir the pot for a fight with Jones but that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

they're happy to see Doms break the losing streak in his career.  i don't think he'd get another chance to Jones. besides the Jones has been ready to retire after Stipe fight. its not going to change Jones decision to retire afaik.

Reyes ranked so low in the LH, i think he'd be staying in this division for good and maybe 5 fights more he'd be ready to retire too. ranking up to the 5th is likely an uphill climb for him again.

Yeah, the chance we'll ever see Jones Vs Reyes 2 is zero. Whether or not Jones will retire after the Stipe fight - I don't know, but he's definitely not going back to the light heavyweight.

Reyes was down on his luck in the previous fights. It's not just that he had lost 4 in a row, in fact, the loss to Jones was more of a win and boosted his popularity, but he suffered bad KOs in the last 3 losses, which made it look like his career was about to end. And then he got injured and suffered from deep vein thrombosis, a potentially life-threatening blood clot in the leg.
So no wonder people are happy to see him winning again, myself included.

he almost lose this last fight if it weren't for his counter.  this win is going to make him keep going in UFC. its a remarkable win actually, he was about to be KO'd pushed to the cage but over turned the fight.

anyway, Alex Perez vs. Tatsuro Taira this weekend. tried using that AI again. here's the prediction which seem to be surprising. the undefeated Tatsuro Taira will finally taste a loss. i'm having doubts to the AI already but maybe, its too early for Tatsuro Taira to be fighting someone too experienced in MMA.

(https://i.imgur.com/qJr3pSR.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2GReKr3.png)



Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 14, 2024, 11:12:16 AM
Breaking news:

Conor McGregor Vs Michael Chandler fight is officially canceled (or postponed).
The main event of the UFC 303 is now Alex Pereira Vs Jiri Prochazka 2, the co-main event will be Brian Ortega Vs Diego Lopes.
Jamahal Hill also pulled out and will be replaced by Anthony Smith in the fight against Carlos Ulberg.

But there's more bad news. Khamzat Chimaev also won't be fighting against Robert Whittaker in the 22nd June event and will be replaced by Ikram Aliskerov
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Post by: 0t3p0t on June 14, 2024, 07:36:13 PM
Breaking news:

Conor McGregor Vs Michael Chandler fight is officially canceled (or postponed).
The main event of the UFC 303 is now Alex Pereira Vs Jiri Prochazka 2, the co-main event will be Brian Ortega Vs Diego Lopes.
Jamahal Hill also pulled out and will be replaced by Anthony Smith in the fight against Carlos Ulberg.

But there's more bad news. Khamzat Chimaev also won't be fighting against Robert Whittaker in the 22nd June event and will be replaced by Ikram Aliskerov
Chimaev is for me a very good fighter but seems he is not in a good shape and condition right now. Actually I am a fan of this guy and of course Khabib as well since they are more smart good striker and having awesome grappling skills
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Post by: electronicash on June 14, 2024, 08:24:17 PM

these fight cancellations are not coincidences, they are really having difficulties in matching up fighters, i think its time UFC really partner with few promotions like the BKFC, Bellator and PFL to mandate fighters otherwise, they just sit on their asses and keep their rank.

Chandler is the only fighter that lost in this card, no replacement lol i thought Max will be called. Smith seem a tough guy to have accepted this but i think they know the cancellation already weeks ago. the first time Conor did not appear on the presscon.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 15, 2024, 09:44:53 AM
Chimaev is for me a very good fighter but seems he is not in a good shape and condition right now. Actually I am a fan of this guy and of course Khabib as well since they are more smart good striker and having awesome grappling skills

Chimaev is very entertaining to watch, but it looks like his momentum was wasted by inactivity. He only fought once in 2023. I'm not sure was it due to health problems, or was it the UFC's decision. If he was active, he could be holding a belt by now.
I don't know what's going on with him right now, all was told is that he is "violently ill" with no further details.
I'm hoping to see him fight soon. Pausing for another 6 months or so would be a waste.

Chandler is the only fighter that lost in this card, no replacement lol i thought Max will be called. Smith seem a tough guy to have accepted this but i think they know the cancellation already weeks ago. the first time Conor did not appear on the presscon.

I believe Max will be matched against Topuria for his next fight, as there are no other worthy opponents for Topuria. So pairing Max against Chandler would be super inconvenient for the UFC. Plus, Max is at his peak hype right now, so might not have been happy with a "fill a gap" role.
From Chandler's perspective, he's probably still hoping that the McGregor fight will happen. McGregor is a perfect match for him: a huge payday + Chandler is a favourite to win (some bookies disagree, but we all know the truth), and he's desperate for a win right now.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 15, 2024, 10:49:10 PM
I believe Max will be matched against Topuria for his next fight, as there are no other worthy opponents for Topuria. So pairing Max against Chandler would be super inconvenient for the UFC. Plus, Max is at his peak hype right now, so might not have been happy with a "fill a gap" role.
From Chandler's perspective, he's probably still hoping that the McGregor fight will happen. McGregor is a perfect match for him: a huge payday + Chandler is a favourite to win (some bookies disagree, but we all know the truth), and he's desperate for a win right now.

Chandler wasted years for this fight and then just cancelled. 2 years taken from him without making money out of it.  He still rank in the LW despite not fighting for 2 years though.  UFC has nothing for him anymore which i think he might retire along with this dream fight.

Ikram  Aliskerov they say will replace Khamzat by the way. UFC already is introducing the new gen in every division to stir those fighters who kept refusing to fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 16, 2024, 11:26:53 PM
Chandler wasted years for this fight and then just cancelled. 2 years taken from him without making money out of it.  He still rank in the LW despite not fighting for 2 years though.  UFC has nothing for him anymore which i think he might retire along with this dream fight.

Ikram  Aliskerov they say will replace Khamzat by the way. UFC already is introducing the new gen in every division to stir those fighters who kept refusing to fight.

I don't think Chandler should be removed from the ranking. It's not like he refused to fight or anything. He was just patiently waiting for the fight the UFC themselves offered him. No need to kick him when he's down.

Aliskerov represents a similar style to Chimaev and his only loss was to Khamzat himself. If I remember it right, it was a good fight. If Aliskerov has a better cardio than Khamzat, he might go much further in his career. Winning against Whittaker would be a huge one for him. Whittaker is a slight favourite though.
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Post by: Zed0X on June 16, 2024, 11:55:09 PM
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UFC already is introducing the new gen in every division to stir those fighters who kept refusing to fight.
As they should. So many fighters are trying to follow the path that Connor started but 99% of them couldn't not generate the numbers that he draws every time he fights. Really, gone are the days when most champs just fight whoever is in offered in front of them.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 17, 2024, 07:22:10 PM
Really, gone are the days when most champs just fight whoever is in offered in front of them.

I think Islam Makhachev might be an exemption from this rule. Maybe not to a degree when he would agree to fight a total no-name, but he did pressure UFC to let he fight 3 times a year and because of him the fight with Dustin have happened.

But most of the fighters get an absolute peanuts on their way to the top, so when they finally get there, they want to squeeze as much out of it as possible.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 17, 2024, 10:44:41 PM
Really, gone are the days when most champs just fight whoever is in offered in front of them.

I think Islam Makhachev might be an exemption from this rule. Maybe not to a degree when he would agree to fight a total no-name, but he did pressure UFC to let he fight 3 times a year and because of him the fight with Dustin have happened.

But most of the fighters get an absolute peanuts on their way to the top, so when they finally get there, they want to squeeze as much out of it as possible.

there are exceptional fighters like Poatan. but just in his recent tweet, he also requested to rest after this Jiri vs Alex 2.

but majority are just sitting on their rank and not even trying to go move on the next weight class since they have no fight anymore.
this is why the Saudi is saving boxing and most probably UFC is the sport gain more followers in the region. they slowly taking over actually, as they gradually moving away from oil dependence.  there are fights that don't happen in boxing unless there is a huge pay.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 17, 2024, 11:41:38 PM
this is why the Saudi is saving boxing and most probably UFC is the sport gain more followers in the region. they slowly taking over actually, as they gradually moving away from oil dependence.  there are fights that don't happen in boxing unless there is a huge pay.

You can't compete with Saudis.
While the UFC/Dana White are profit-driven, Saudis can pocket out huge amounts of money without caring whether or not they make any return on investment.
Will that approach make them less dependent on oil? I don't think so. But I appreciate they make great things happen.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 18, 2024, 12:52:24 AM
this is why the Saudi is saving boxing and most probably UFC is the sport gain more followers in the region. they slowly taking over actually, as they gradually moving away from oil dependence.  there are fights that don't happen in boxing unless there is a huge pay.

You can't compete with Saudis.
While the UFC/Dana White are profit-driven, Saudis can pocket out huge amounts of money without caring whether or not they make any return on investment.
Will that approach make them less dependent on oil? I don't think so. But I appreciate they make great things happen.

nope they are just diversifying their source of money, they have sponsorship done actually even the big star in sports attend those boxing event because they mandate them to go to the event.

they are starting to run the show.  the Day Of Reckoning made fights possible for they are receiving huge pay.  and the they are also into football already which usually is held in their country. athletes getting huge pay, make things happen and at the same time, it makes their tourism economy larger.

if fighters just sits on their rank without fighting, they don't make money and they aged over time which fighters are also waiting for it to happen. the new ones are just beating the old men. Chandler vs Conor is a fair fight, they are both old but probably the numbers didn't hit the target.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 19, 2024, 12:36:24 AM
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/18/hdoAv.jpeg)

Adesanya is back after his career break to fight Dricus Du Plessis for the middleweight belt at the UFC 305 on 18th August.
I'm really happy to see this fight announced, it was long overdue.

I'll be rooting for Dricus but think Izzy will have the advantage. Bookies seem to agree. The current odds:
Adesanya: x1.63
DPP: x2.28
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 20, 2024, 12:03:07 AM
As for the Aliskerov Vs. Whittaker this aturday, who do you guys would be betting on? Whittaker is bookies favourite but I disagree. Aliskerov is not even ranked in the top 15 yet, accepted the fight on a short notice, but defeating Robert will be a fast-track to the top, so I'm sure he'll take it seriously. In terms of skills, he seems very well-rounded. But maybe I'm overrating him just because he's from Dagestan.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 20, 2024, 10:37:16 PM
As for the Aliskerov Vs. Whittaker this aturday, who do you guys would be betting on? Whittaker is bookies favourite but I disagree. Aliskerov is not even ranked in the top 15 yet, accepted the fight on a short notice, but defeating Robert will be a fast-track to the top, so I'm sure he'll take it seriously. In terms of skills, he seems very well-rounded. But maybe I'm overrating him just because he's from Dagestan.


Whittaker already prepared for the Khamzat. and Aliskerov is not very different in terms of skills and strength.  if Whittaker will just be playing safer, he could win this one even by decision or if the guy gets exhausted after a few rounds, Rob can already charge to KO him.

the trend in UFC though is that they are bringing the new talents on top and the UFC match makers are simply looking for the fighter who can topple the ones from the top. The Japanese Taira just did it last week, Aliskerov can potentially bring Rob down and win by KO. we'll just find out.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on June 20, 2024, 11:27:11 PM
Big respect to Rob for accepting the replacement fight but I personally think he shouldn't have to because he has more to lose in this. If he was offered more purse than the Chimaev fight, then all good. If not, then I hope he still wins and my bet is still on him
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 21, 2024, 04:40:12 PM
Big respect to Rob for accepting the replacement fight but I personally think he shouldn't have to because he has more to lose in this. If he was offered more purse than the Chimaev fight, then all good. If not, then I hope he still wins and my bet is still on him

I've no idea on how much Robert will be getting paid for it, but it's possible that he'll get the same amount as if he was fighting against Khamzat, but very unlikely he'll get more.
As electronicash mentioned above, it should be much easier for Whittaker, as he was preparing for Chimaev, representing similar style. Aliskerov accepted the fight on a very short notice, so even if he kept himself in good shape, he didn't have much time to train specifically for Whittaker.
But even if Rob happens to lose, I don't think he'll drop below the top 5. And it's not like he was to get a title shot anytime soon. I think Strickland will get it next.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 22, 2024, 12:23:48 AM
The main card for tomorrow's event:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/21/hR6If.png)

Any final predictions?

My picks:

Aliskerov
Pavlovich
Rodriguez
Magomedov
Walker

I believe Aliskerov will not waste his chance.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on June 23, 2024, 01:47:57 PM
Maybe it's time Walker should call it quits already after another loss via knockout. It will probably save him from more brain damage. It doesn't look like he has the chin to withstand punches from a true LHW. He will be remembered as someone with both highlight KOs and KOed ;D

Easy work for Robert.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 23, 2024, 07:00:25 PM
I think Pavlovich was the biggest disappointment of the night, with Walker being 2nd. He must've known he was losing the fight but either didn't bother or was just too gassed out to make a final push and go all out in the final round.
It was his first UFC fight that lasted longer than one round though, so maybe that was just a lack of experience in fighting full distance.

Shara Magomedov delivered big time in my opinion, despite the controversy of him grabbing the fence and avoiding takedown. He was fighting a much bigger guy with a decent record and pulled up a very entertaining performance finished by a KO. I think he might get a chance to fight someone from the top 15 next. But he could struggle if he's matched up against any wrestler.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 23, 2024, 09:11:08 PM
Maybe it's time Walker should call it quits already after another loss via knockout. It will probably save him from more brain damage. It doesn't look like he has the chin to withstand punches from a true LHW. He will be remembered as someone with both highlight KOs and KOed ;D

Easy work for Robert.

they call him the real entertainer in UFC. he sometimes surprise the audience actually.  you can somehow just compare him to clay guida, their UFC career lasted longer for like 20 years.  johnny is natural born entertainer. could you resist someone who has this kind of personality? https://www.instagram.com/p/CsRlW-kgAXD/  ;D

i think everyone expected Pavlovich to deliver. the fights in HW is always ending in a KO especially Pavlovich who they think can beat Jones.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 23, 2024, 11:13:52 PM
I wouldn't be retiring Walker just yet, he got badly KO'd and should take at least 6 months break, but he's only 32.
It wasn't his best fight, I'm not sure why he/his team decided not to utilise jabs at all, given his reach advantage, I think that would've been a good idea.
I think he's just not good enough to be matched up with the top fighters, but could act as a "gatekeeper", someone who prospective fighters have to defeat to be considered worthy to be in the top.
I think matching him up against Dominic Reyes next would be a good idea.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 24, 2024, 09:54:42 PM
I wouldn't be retiring Walker just yet, he got badly KO'd and should take at least 6 months break, but he's only 32.
It wasn't his best fight, I'm not sure why he/his team decided not to utilise jabs at all, given his reach advantage, I think that would've been a good idea.
I think he's just not good enough to be matched up with the top fighters, but could act as a "gatekeeper", someone who prospective fighters have to defeat to be considered worthy to be in the top.
I think matching him up against Dominic Reyes next would be a good idea.

and he has the punching power.
Walker will just accept anyone as long as he gets paid. if Dom Reyes as they say he is back, i think its also anther win for Reyes. he is great in boxing. in his fight against Jones, people favor him to win in the decision. i think i can can agree that Reyes won that fight too.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_303

Light Heavyweight   Alex Pereira (c)   vs.   Jiří Procházka            
Featherweight           Brian Ortega   vs.   Diego Lopes            
Light Heavyweight   Anthony Smith   vs.   Roman Dolidze            
Women's Bantamweight   Mayra Bueno Silva   vs.   Macy Chiasson            
Welterweight           Ian Machado Garry   vs.   Michael Page

Ian Garry to fight Venom.  this could be the first time Ian might lose. Page will climb taking  the slow pace to get the title, Bellator stole his prime but i think he could still take a belt before retiring.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on June 24, 2024, 10:30:56 PM
I am happy to see main event in UFC 303 is going to be Alex Pereira vs Jiri Prochazka.
This has the potential to be one of the best UFC fights this year, both fighters have chances to win but it is always harder to defend the title than to win it.
I think matching him up against Dominic Reyes next would be a good idea.
I think Diminic Reyes is not the same after he lost against Jon Jones in 2020.
He won the last fight against Dustin Jacoby but I dont think he can repeat that performance again.
 
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on June 24, 2024, 11:11:14 PM
I think matching him up against Dominic Reyes next would be a good idea.
I think Diminic Reyes is not the same after he lost against Jon Jones in 2020.
He won the last fight against Dustin Jacoby but I dont think he can repeat that performance again.
I never thought of this match up before but I like the idea because both fighters can be considered in their decline. I doubt either of them could be fighting for the title for the rest of their career in the UFC but they can be the gatekeepers in the division.

If this happens, the fight will most likely not go the distance.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 25, 2024, 12:14:30 AM
I am happy to see main event in UFC 303 is going to be Alex Pereira vs Jiri Prochazka.
This has the potential to be one of the best UFC fights this year, both fighters have chances to win but it is always harder to defend the title than to win it.

I like watching Prochazka, as he's very entertaining, but his style of keeping his hands down and holding no guard could get him in real trouble against Pereira, again.

I think Diminic Reyes is not the same after he lost against Jon Jones in 2020.
He won the last fight against Dustin Jacoby but I dont think he can repeat that performance again.

I agree, but he deserves a chance to work his way back to the top. He suffered some bad KOs and had health issues, but he's finally back.
He has won his last fight, so deserves to fight someone above him, and, on the contrary, Walker suffered a loss, so might have to fight somebody ranked lower than him, so I think those 2 would be a good match-up.
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Post by: pawel7777 on June 25, 2024, 10:58:06 AM
If anyone is interested in what the Volkov Vs Pavlovich drama (discussion during the weight ins and the push after the fight), TopTort777 provided a nice breakdown of the situation:

As a Russian speaker, I will try to shed light on the situation between Volkov and Pavlovich. Your social media probably dont air that so much, but Russian buzz on it a lot lately.

1. They once agreed to never fight against each other, to never fight against other Russian. Or try maximum to avoid that. They also trained in each other camp and exchanged experience.
2. Pavlovich did not want to fight Volkov, because he was lower on top and victory wont give him anything.
3. Now interesting part: turns out there is a little number of tries, when you can skip your opponent, turns out that Volkov has run out of such tries and he was forced to accept any next opponent.
4. The manager told Volkov, that Pavlovich picked him, so he was forced to sign contract and fight.
5. Pavlovich was given several opponents (Volkov was among them), but he hasnt decided who to fight next.
6. Both fighter managers did not understand each other. One told that Pavlovich selected Volkov, even though he was on the list of opponents also. Other told that he cant cancel any opponent.

That is why during weight-ins, they had a talk why you pick me? Why you accepted to fight? And etc.

About that push after the fight. Pavlovich should not be excused for that, but he was disappointed he has lost, his nose was broken, he was tired, he did not wanted that fight, he has lost in rating, second loss in a row. Long story short, he wanted to spend time on his own, alone, but his opponent comes and bothers... Volkov said it right - Pavlovich needs to get more experience of loosing.

Long story short, it was managers misunderstanding, or they clashed Russians on purpose. Btw, Pavlovichs manager is Ali Abdelaziz, who has a controversial reputation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139347.msg64253421#msg64253421
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 25, 2024, 08:52:25 PM
I am happy to see main event in UFC 303 is going to be Alex Pereira vs Jiri Prochazka.
This has the potential to be one of the best UFC fights this year, both fighters have chances to win but it is always harder to defend the title than to win it.

I like watching Prochazka, as he's very entertaining, but his style of keeping his hands down and holding no guard could get him in real trouble against Pereira, again.


its even a wonder why Jiri got the 2nd shot despite the KO loss.  funny that Jiri says Pereira is consulting shamans for their fights, seem like they are pretty much believe all these.

If anyone is interested in what the Volkov Vs Pavlovich drama (discussion during the weight ins and the push after the fight), TopTort777 provided a nice breakdown of the situation:

As a Russian speaker, I will try to shed light on the situation between Volkov and Pavlovich. Your social media probably dont air that so much, but Russian buzz on it a lot lately.

1. They once agreed to never fight against each other, to never fight against other Russian. Or try maximum to avoid that. They also trained in each other camp and exchanged experience.
2. Pavlovich did not want to fight Volkov, because he was lower on top and victory wont give him anything.
3. Now interesting part: turns out there is a little number of tries, when you can skip your opponent, turns out that Volkov has run out of such tries and he was forced to accept any next opponent.
4. The manager told Volkov, that Pavlovich picked him, so he was forced to sign contract and fight.
5. Pavlovich was given several opponents (Volkov was among them), but he hasnt decided who to fight next.
6. Both fighter managers did not understand each other. One told that Pavlovich selected Volkov, even though he was on the list of opponents also. Other told that he cant cancel any opponent.

That is why during weight-ins, they had a talk why you pick me? Why you accepted to fight? And etc.

About that push after the fight. Pavlovich should not be excused for that, but he was disappointed he has lost, his nose was broken, he was tired, he did not wanted that fight, he has lost in rating, second loss in a row. Long story short, he wanted to spend time on his own, alone, but his opponent comes and bothers... Volkov said it right - Pavlovich needs to get more experience of loosing.

Long story short, it was managers misunderstanding, or they clashed Russians on purpose. Btw, Pavlovichs manager is Ali Abdelaziz, who has a controversial reputation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139347.msg64253421#msg64253421

they took it very personal when they build their career in fighting, just keep fighting after all they enjoy it and make money out of it.  but the number of refusal to fight seem to have apply only to them.  if those ranked fighters has limits, we should have seen big fights that should have happened already but i think the money they are to get from what the saudis can offer is more tempting.


Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on June 26, 2024, 12:39:45 AM
I agree, but he deserves a chance to work his way back to the top. He suffered some bad KOs and had health issues, but he's finally back.
He has won his last fight, so deserves to fight someone above him, and, on the contrary, Walker suffered a loss, so might have to fight somebody ranked lower than him, so I think those 2 would be a good match-up.
He deserves it, but I am not confident he can handle the new hard defeat mentally and physically.

If anyone is interested in what the Volkov Vs Pavlovich drama (discussion during the weight ins and the push after the fight), TopTort777 provided a nice breakdown of the situation
This is going to be interesting fight between two big heavyweights.
I know they didnt want to fight each other but UFC and Dana White maybe forced them to do it.
We know that Dana doesnt like when fighters refuse fights for any reason.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: LogitechMouse on June 26, 2024, 08:48:32 AM
I am happy to see main event in UFC 303 is going to be Alex Pereira vs Jiri Prochazka.
This has the potential to be one of the best UFC fights this year, both fighters have chances to win but it is always harder to defend the title than to win it.
I believe that their first fight was stopped way too early in favor of Pereira, so this is kind of a revenge fight for Prochazka.
Aside from the Holloway-Gaethje and Makachev-Poirier fight, this might also be a candidate for fight of the year. I mean both are very good boxers, and you don't see this match as a one-sided fight. Anything can happen, and one punch can change everything - like what Pereira did to Hill. :D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on June 26, 2024, 09:24:59 PM
I am happy to see main event in UFC 303 is going to be Alex Pereira vs Jiri Prochazka.
This has the potential to be one of the best UFC fights this year, both fighters have chances to win but it is always harder to defend the title than to win it.
I believe that their first fight was stopped way too early in favor of Pereira, so this is kind of a revenge fight for Prochazka.
Aside from the Holloway-Gaethje and Makachev-Poirier fight, this might also be a candidate for fight of the year. I mean both are very good boxers, and you don't see this match as a one-sided fight. Anything can happen, and one punch can change everything - like what Pereira did to Hill. :D

if there is a voting for FOTY, winner most likely be BMF Holloway-Gaethje.

Alex winning or losing this fight, he might be going to the heavyweight after. he already ballooned himself, it must be a preparation after Jiri.
Jiri has the habit of dropping his hand though. once he does it, it will be a disaster again and it will only turn out his shaman is not as good as Alexs shaman.  and he couldn't just take down Alex as well for it will be more risky to expose himself in a closer distance.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on June 26, 2024, 11:11:37 PM
I like watching Prochazka, as he's very entertaining, but his style of keeping his hands down and holding no guard could get him in real trouble against Pereira, again.
Yeah, he is playing a risky game with that, but h is trying to set a trap for his opponents.
I don't think this trick will work with Pereira that is more complete fighter in my opinion.
I checked the odds and Pereira to win is not bad at all.

(https://i.ibb.co/19Cvvzf/imga0b8a0640ea2604a7e2d95e2bcb8ebdf.jpg)
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-303-mc-gregor-vs-chandler/pereira-alex-vs-prochazka-jiri-666c15fdb14b9900015b480a
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 26, 2024, 11:47:11 PM
Yeah, he is playing a risky game with that, but h is trying to set a trap for his opponents.
I don't think this trick will work with Pereira that is more complete fighter in my opinion.
I checked the odds and Pereira to win is not bad at all.

(https://i.ibb.co/19Cvvzf/imga0b8a0640ea2604a7e2d95e2bcb8ebdf.jpg)
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-303-mc-gregor-vs-chandler/pereira-alex-vs-prochazka-jiri-666c15fdb14b9900015b480a

Here are the odds for the entire main card:

Alex Pereira x1.73 vs. Jiří Procházka x2.12      
Brian Ortega x2.33 vs. Diego Lopes x1.66
Anthony Smith x2.20 vs. Roman Dolidze x1.67
Mayra Bueno Silva x1.86 vs. Macy Chiasson x1.94
Ian Machado Garry x1.73 vs. Michael Page x2.12

The main event looks promising but, as mentioned previously, I don't expect Jiri to win the belt back. But this is MMA, so anything is possible.
I find Garry insufferable so wouldn't mind seeing him getting KO'd. Page is probably technically better, but we already know oddsmakers tend to favour younger fighters.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on June 28, 2024, 11:24:30 PM
Some fresh news: Ortega Vs Lopes got moved to 155. Allegedly Ortega has really struggled to make the weight and couldn't go below 151, so the UFC contacted Lopes and said if he doesn't agree to fight in 155 the fight will be off:
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2024/06/ufc-303-weigh-ins-brian-ortega-diego-lopes-changed-lightweight-fight

I'm not sure what the implications will be (if any) in terms of the impact of the ranking, i.e. would Lopes move up in the featherweight ranks if he wins?
Also, this could be some unfair advantage to Ortega, as he didn't have to go through weight-cutting to the same degree as Lopes did. But I'm glad the fight is saved.
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Post by: notblox1 on June 29, 2024, 07:59:50 PM
The main event looks promising but, as mentioned previously, I don't expect Jiri to win the belt back. But this is MMA, so anything is possible.
I find Garry insufferable so wouldn't mind seeing him getting KO'd. Page is probably technically better, but we already know oddsmakers tend to favour younger fighters.
Prochazka has wild fighting style and you cant prepare for him like for most other fighters, that is why I think he has a decent chance in this fight.
If Pereira survives first few rounds and damages calf and legs of Prochazka than he is going to win.
I watched Prochazka against Rakic and he was losing most of that fight until Rakic fall into his trap.
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Post by: electronicash on June 29, 2024, 08:22:06 PM
The main event looks promising but, as mentioned previously, I don't expect Jiri to win the belt back. But this is MMA, so anything is possible.
I find Garry insufferable so wouldn't mind seeing him getting KO'd. Page is probably technically better, but we already know oddsmakers tend to favour younger fighters.
Prochazka has wild fighting style and you cant prepare for him like for most other fighters, that is why I think he has a decent chance in this fight.
If Pereira survives first few rounds and damages calf and legs of Prochazka than he is going to win.
I watched Prochazka against Rakic and he was losing most of that fight until Rakic fall into his trap.

he tried the ground game in their first fight and almost work since he landing big elbow to Pereira. if it weren't for the counter that dropped Jiri he wouldn't receive those massive elbows that eventually knock him out. Jiri would have won that fight if he was just consistent with this fake takedowns and throwing the overhead. maybe it will work this time.

but Pereira would probably have his own strategy as well since they already figured each other. Poatan knows his leg kicks will be Jiris terrible weakness. i think we can see more of those leg kicks again from r1 to the r3 if the fight goes the distance.

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Post by: Zed0X on June 30, 2024, 06:35:27 AM
So what happened exactly? Ortega couldn't make 145 and requested to fight at 155, Lopes accepted the new weight and then suddenly Ortega pulled out because of illness. Then Ige stepped in on 3 hours notice to fight Lopes? That's crazy! I give respect to both guys.

Edit: I didn't see that kick coming but maybe that's because I got used to seeing his left do the job.
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Post by: pawel7777 on June 30, 2024, 09:02:49 PM
I called it, didn't I?
I knew Jiri's low hands would get him in big trouble in this one. There are fighters you can fight against with your hands low, and there are fighters you can't. Pereira is in the 2nd category.
I feel sorry for Jiri and don't want to be too harsh to him, but he was not properly prepared. He looked chaotic and there was no sign of any game plan. Even when it comes to that knock-out kick, he did see it coming but tried to block it in a very odd way, as in he fought it was a body kick and tried to catch Pereira's leg. That's a rookie mistake, but it's possible he was still dazed after that knock-down at the end of round one.
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Post by: electronicash on June 30, 2024, 09:44:26 PM
I called it, didn't I?
I knew Jiri's low hands would get him in big trouble in this one. There are fighters you can fight against with your hands low, and there are fighters you can't. Pereira is in the 2nd category.
I feel sorry for Jiri and don't want to be too harsh to him, but he was not properly prepared. He looked chaotic and there was no sign of any game plan. Even when it comes to that knock-out kick, he did see it coming but tried to block it in a very odd way, as in he fought it was a body kick and tried to catch Pereira's leg. That's a rookie mistake, but it's possible he was still dazed after that knock-down at the end of round one.

Jiris team been telling him about his hands. but even so Jiri would still have the better chance of winning if take down Pereira. it always just as an attempt. to me it doesn't matter that he gets hit before he could cringe, he is big and can easily recover. as long as he could grab Pereira and bring him down, then tables are turned.  anyway he didn't do it and result is not good. The first knock down in the last second of first round was just as powerful as head kick. it rocked Jiri and he was fired up and got careless.

Garry vs Page which i think will also end in KO never happen. Garry executed his plan in grabbing Venom Page to almost submit the elusive Page.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 01, 2024, 06:27:51 PM
I called it, didn't I?
I knew Jiri's low hands would get him in big trouble in this one.
Hands high would not save Prochazka from this situation, if Pereira landed this kick on his hand he would probably break it or make serious damage.
I dont think trilogy is needed between this two fighters, Pereira proved he is better and now UFC needs to find next fighter for him.
Potentially next fighters for Pereira could be Ankalaev, Hill, Błachowicz, Rakic or maybe they create another super fight with Dricus De Plessis.
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Post by: electronicash on July 01, 2024, 08:09:57 PM
if i were to put myself in pereira position, i would be going to HW and make lots of money to retire after 2 fights.  maybe fighting cyril gane, aspinall and jones if possible. he is already in the age where he could be declining. but he best retire winning a belt than having a series or losses.

ankalev is very tempting since he is a top contender in this division. maybe 3 more fights including ankalev will be last for pereira. unless izzy proposes a trilogy which i think alex will likely go back to MW for such fight.
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Post by: pawel7777 on July 01, 2024, 11:41:14 PM
Jiris team been telling him about his hands. but even so Jiri would still have the better chance of winning if take down Pereira. (..)
Except Jiri is not the best in takedowns and Pereira is pretty good in avoiding them. But who knows, maybe it was his plan for later rounds, when Alex feels too comfortable and gets a bit reckless.
It's possible that Jiri failed to prepare himself mentally. It's not easy after losing to the same guy by TKO not that long ago. Jan Blachowicz said he knew Prochazka would lose after he saw him smiling at Pereira before the fight, something he would never do in his previous fights. A little detail like that can be very telling.

Hands high would not save Prochazka from this situation, if Pereira landed this kick on his hand he would probably break it or make serious damage.
I dont think trilogy is needed between this two fighters, Pereira proved he is better and now UFC needs to find next fighter for him.
Potentially next fighters for Pereira could be Ankalaev, Hill, Błachowicz, Rakic or maybe they create another super fight with Dricus De Plessis.

Nah, if he blocked it properly he would be fine.
I think Ankalaev is next, 99%. Pereira said he's willing to fight him, and Dana seemed to be OK with that. Du Plessis is fighting Adesanya next. If DPP was to win, then who knows, maybe him moving up to face Pereira would be a possibility, but I don't see it. I think we're much more likely to see Adesanya Vs Pereira 3 in the light heavyweight. It's a fight that makes sense. It doesn't even matter if Adesanya wins against DPP or not.

As for Ige Vs Lopes, they're both ranked 13th and 14th respectively, I don't think the ranking has yet been updated after the event, so they'll probably switch places. Career-wise, accepting that fight was a great move for both of them, Dana White sang some praises for them both in the post-fight conference and said he'll do anything for them. So likely both of them will get a chance to face higher-ranked opponents in their next fights.
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Post by: LogitechMouse on July 02, 2024, 04:54:47 AM
I called it, didn't I?
I knew Jiri's low hands would get him in big trouble in this one.
Hands high would not save Prochazka from this situation, if Pereira landed this kick on his hand he would probably break it or make serious damage.
I dont think trilogy is needed between this two fighters, Pereira proved he is better and now UFC needs to find next fighter for him.
Potentially next fighters for Pereira could be Ankalaev, Hill, Błachowicz, Rakic or maybe they create another super fight with Dricus De Plessis.
I think so because I believe that the left hook that he absorbed at the final seconds of the 1st round still affected him at the start of the 2nd round causing him to drop immediately by just a single kick. Even though he blocked it with his hands, he might still get affected and drop down.

Just look at him after the stoppage. He's still wobbling even though Herb Dean stopped it for more than 30 seconds already. That just shows how powerful Pereira is at his current division. Trilogy? I also don't think it will happen as well because he defeated Jiri 2 straight times already. He will either wait for another opponent at Light Heavyweight or he might go up to Heavyweight and make a history as the first 3-division champion.
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Post by: Zed0X on July 02, 2024, 03:42:10 PM
On the speculation of a Pereira vs. Adesanya trilogy at MW, I don't think that's going to happen. After he lost at their second UFC bout, Pereira said he's unlikely to go back to MW because it has taken a toll on his body. It's up to Adesanya if he wants to settle it at LHW.
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Post by: electronicash on July 02, 2024, 09:45:28 PM
On the speculation of a Pereira vs. Adesanya trilogy at MW, I don't think that's going to happen. After he lost at their second UFC bout, Pereira said he's unlikely to go back to MW because it has taken a toll on his body. It's up to Adesanya if he wants to settle it at LHW.

Izzy going up on LW will slow him down. he will have no chance to win, he felt it when he fought Blachovich while Poatan seem to be build of HW.  Izzy is salty because his record is already surpassed by his usual rival from kickboxing. he literally is the one who brought Pereira in UFC and then in short period of time surpassed his record in the P4p rank.

Next Fight Night: Namajunas vs. Cortez.  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_ESPN:_Namajunas_vs._Cortez)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ndg113l.jpeg)

nothing burger fight card but nothing you can do about it.  ;D
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Post by: pawel7777 on July 03, 2024, 12:10:48 AM
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Just look at him after the stoppage. He's still wobbling even though Herb Dean stopped it for more than 30 seconds already. (...)

Recovery from knock-down can take quite a long time, that's why I suspect Prochazka was still dazed in the 2nd round. That left kick was not even set up, it was telegraphed, he did see it coming, but he failed to block it in a proper way.
Sometimes you can hear stories about fighters getting KO/TKO, getting up, looking normal and even giving post-fight interviews, and then they would not remember any of that.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 03, 2024, 12:23:46 AM
Nah, if he blocked it properly he would be fine.
I think Ankalaev is next, 99%. Pereira said he's willing to fight him, and Dana seemed to be OK with that.
You can see what happens with legs and calves when they are kicked by fighter and arms are not as strong as legs ;D
But that fight is now finished and Prochzka hype is over, now Dana needs to find someone else.
I think Ankalaev fighting style can be a problem for Pereira but maybe he is not that attractive for UFC and Dana White money machine.
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Post by: electronicash on July 03, 2024, 09:20:16 PM
Nah, if he blocked it properly he would be fine.
I think Ankalaev is next, 99%. Pereira said he's willing to fight him, and Dana seemed to be OK with that.
You can see what happens with legs and calves when they are kicked by fighter and arms are not as strong as legs ;D
But that fight is now finished and Prochzka hype is over, now Dana needs to find someone else.
I think Ankalaev fighting style can be a problem for Pereira but maybe he is not that attractive for UFC and Dana White money machine.

that's a factor they will consider since Ankalev is not something they can sell. but maybe in Saudi soil if they add some profitable fights in the cards such as Khamzat and some big names. but if they match Pereira vs Alexander Volkov or probably Ciryl Gane, it will be a better event for Pereira's debut in HW than fighting Ankalev.

afaik Pereira already said he wants to go to HW which it would make sense fighting huge guys for huge money. and I think Dana would like this since Pereira has become one of the biggest fighter in UFC already. maybe even the face of UFC as for now.


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Post by: pawel7777 on July 03, 2024, 11:45:46 PM
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I think Ankalaev fighting style can be a problem for Pereira but maybe he is not that attractive for UFC and Dana White money machine.

What I got from the post-event interviews with Alex/Dana, is that Ankalaev is next in line.
It might not generate a huge revenue but it still will be interesting.
Ankalaev winning would be the worst scenario for the UFC, but let's not forget this is also a sport, not just entertainment, so the "boring" guys also have to get their chances.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 04, 2024, 01:18:33 AM
Anyone heard the latest big news about ex UFC champion Khabib Nurmagomedov?
He is in big trouble with Russian government because of unpaid debt and taxes, and he had to escape from country and take citizenship in another country.
McGregor commented about this but I am waiting to hear what Khabib has to say.
After watching this video I concluded that mafia and criminals are behind McGregor and Khabib:

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Post by: pawel7777 on July 04, 2024, 07:26:46 PM
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That's not good. I thought Khabib had good relations with Putin, so I'm a bit surprised to see that happening.

Who knows, if the situation causes him to run into financial trouble, he might be forced to come back out of retirement and have at least one more fight that would set him up for life.
Meanwhile there are rumours about Chandler getting an offer to fight Islam in October.
It's all starting to look like we might see McGregor Vs Khabib 2 at the end of this year  ;D
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Post by: electronicash on July 04, 2024, 10:16:24 PM
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That's not good. I thought Khabib had good relations with Putin, so I'm a bit surprised to see that happening.

Who knows, if the situation causes him to run into financial trouble, he might be forced to come back out of retirement and have at least one more fight that would set him up for life.
Meanwhile there are rumours about Chandler getting an offer to fight Islam in October.
It's all starting to look like we might see McGregor Vs Khabib 2 at the end of this year  ;D

sounds like the cosmic entity has planned it all together so there will be khabib vs conor 2.  i bet the real plan is to seize kabibs money to donate to the war and him to be drafted lol
nope maybe putin and and dana just planned it all for the world to see another fight while they are shooting each other there in ukraine the world will still be watching ufc.  ;D

but chandler vs islam is not the kind that will make the world want to see. chandler will retire after he will be KO'd.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 04, 2024, 11:05:17 PM
Who knows, if the situation causes him to run into financial trouble, he might be forced to come back out of retirement and have at least one more fight that would set him up for life.
Meanwhile there are rumours about Chandler getting an offer to fight Islam in October.
It's all starting to look like we might see McGregor Vs Khabib 2 at the end of this year  ;D
Khabib would beat McGregor again without a doubt, but this fight will never happen ;D
I am sure that Khabib didnt keep all his money in Russian bank accounts and local real estates, but this is great example why Bitcoin is important.
I think that whole situation is connected with some terrorist attacks, but Khabib just learned that he doesnt own his bank account and money that was in there.
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Post by: pawel7777 on July 05, 2024, 12:06:05 AM
Yeah, I don't buy the story it's all only due to some unpaid tax. There must be more to that and it indeed could be due to terrorist attacks. Perhaps Khabib's gym was linked to separatist movements, which is something Putin would not take lightly.
In fact, some media report that:
"Reports state that one of the terrorists killed in the attack was MMA fighter Gadzhimurad Kagirov, a pupil of the school, which may have prompted the investigation."
https://www.si.com/fannation/mma/news/ufc-drama-police-raid-khabib-nurmagomedovs-gym-conor-mcgregor-reacts
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Post by: LogitechMouse on July 05, 2024, 03:47:08 AM
Who knows, if the situation causes him to run into financial trouble, he might be forced to come back out of retirement and have at least one more fight that would set him up for life.
Meanwhile there are rumours about Chandler getting an offer to fight Islam in October.
It's all starting to look like we might see McGregor Vs Khabib 2 at the end of this year  ;D
Khabib would beat McGregor again without a doubt, but this fight will never happen ;D
I am sure that Khabib didnt keep all his money in Russian bank accounts and local real estates, but this is great example why Bitcoin is important.
I think that whole situation is connected with some terrorist attacks, but Khabib just learned that he doesnt own his bank account and money that was in there.
I also think that Khabib will just choke the shit out of Conor "AGAIN".
Conor will just say things like "I will fooking punch you in the face like shit, blah blah blah", but we know how good Khabib is, and how expert he is in his current playstyle which is more of grappling.

Anyway, like what you said, I don't see this happening as well, and with Khabib's situation, I don't know the exact situation about him, but I hope he's still okay. I don't also think that it's only tax that's the problem here, but there's a deeper problem. Maybe something related to criminals, or some gangs out there.
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Post by: electronicash on July 05, 2024, 07:50:03 PM

conor still is big in UFC and despite his ankle i think the Irish community still wants to see him fight. rumor was that he negotiated when in that ufc 303 and the pay wasn't enough for him so he backed out. yet in Dana's interview, odd as it may seem, Dana defended conor against this rumor.

anyway, Aspinall is fighting in UFC 304 by the way. he is fighting Blaydes again. poor Tom never get to have the title shot even when he has the interim HW belt.  in his recent interview he is also eyeing to fight Poatan if Poatan goes to HW. this should be big it it happens.
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Post by: Zed0X on July 05, 2024, 11:08:05 PM
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anyway, Aspinall is fighting in UFC 304 by the way. he is fighting Blaydes again. poor Tom never get to have the title shot even when he has the interim HW belt.  in his recent interview he is also eyeing to fight Poatan if Poatan goes to HW. this should be big it it happens.
It looks like everyone wants to fight Poatan now and I don't blame them. He's probably less of a draw when Conor was still at top form and at the peak of his popularity but he surely generates more money now after those knockout wins.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 05, 2024, 11:16:14 PM
Yeah, I don't buy the story it's all only due to some unpaid tax. There must be more to that and it indeed could be due to terrorist attacks. Perhaps Khabib's gym was linked to separatist movements, which is something Putin would not take lightly.
In fact, some media report that:
"Reports state that one of the terrorists killed in the attack was MMA fighter Gadzhimurad Kagirov, a pupil of the school, which may have prompted the investigation."
https://www.si.com/fannation/mma/news/ufc-drama-police-raid-khabib-nurmagomedovs-gym-conor-mcgregor-reacts
Thats it.
One of the killed terrorists who allegedly killed a priest in Dagestan Russia was a member of his gym, but thousands of people were doing the same thing.
But there is also some truth about his unpaid taxes because he was owner of Eagle MMA that had financial problems.
Watch the video I posted, all this big fighters have connection with big criminals. :(
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Post by: pawel7777 on July 05, 2024, 11:33:10 PM
Anyway, like what you said, I don't see this happening as well, (...)

I don't think Khabib wants to fight, BUT, if we have a scenario when he failed to secure enough money in some foreign bank (which is possible as I think there might be some restrictions to Russian citizens) and if he fell out of Putin's favour and gets all his funds frozen - what option would he have left? He's too proud to live off donations or from charging some gym fees. He'd probably consider fighting at least one more time in some big money fight to cash in couple of $ millions and secure his family financially.

As for McGregor, he's also probably after big money and fame, and fighting a rematch against Khabib is the best way to get some of the old hype back. Let's face it, he's probably going to lose to whoever he'll be fighting next, and losing to a legendary, undefeated Khabib wouldn't be that much of a shame.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 06, 2024, 09:13:15 PM
Guys dont forget to watch Diaz vs Masvidal boxing fight that is starting today.
This is not MMA fight but both of them are UFC fighters and I am expecting to see interesting fight.
We have to wait next week for UFC to get back but this should be very interesting main event  Namajunas vs Cortez.
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Post by: electronicash on July 06, 2024, 09:29:41 PM

according to some news, they didn't like Khabib stance in Ukraine war. they say Khabib isn't supportive to the Russian government when it comes to the war in Ukraine. something they can't believe when they are united with this one.

Guys dont forget to watch Diaz vs Masvidal boxing fight that is starting today.
This is not MMA fight but both of them are UFC fighters and I am expecting to see interesting fight.
We have to wait next week for UFC to get back but this should be very interesting main event  Namajunas vs Cortez.

they are earning more in boxing https://x.com/MMAJunkie/status/1809624226195800165
i think in one match in UFC, is less than $60k but them fighting in boxing Nate gets $500k while George gets $300k.  Masvidal is a finisher.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 08, 2024, 07:38:56 PM
according to some news, they didn't like Khabib stance in Ukraine war. they say Khabib isn't supportive to the Russian government when it comes to the war in Ukraine. something they can't believe when they are united with this one.
It has nothing to do with that, and nobody has to support war when both sides are killing each other for someone else.
Khabib should finally come up in public and tell the truth, otherwise it is all speculation.

UFC is finally back this weekend so we can move on to that.
Main event Namajunas vs Cortez is great but I am not that excited about other fights on this fight card.

(https://i.ibb.co/xG5sMyr/img856e31427d22121d3bd7b50fe36fa6ba.jpg)
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Post by: electronicash on July 08, 2024, 08:30:04 PM
according to some news, they didn't like Khabib stance in Ukraine war. they say Khabib isn't supportive to the Russian government when it comes to the war in Ukraine. something they can't believe when they are united with this one.
It has nothing to do with that, and nobody has to support war when both sides are killing each other for someone else.
Khabib should finally come up in public and tell the truth, otherwise it is all speculation.

UFC is finally back this weekend so we can move on to that.
Main event Namajunas vs Cortez is great but I am not that excited about other fights on this fight card.

(https://i.ibb.co/xG5sMyr/img856e31427d22121d3bd7b50fe36fa6ba.jpg)

khabib keep us guessing whats really happening. not that i care so much about it but people are nosey and these are MMA news anyway. fans talk a lot about what is going on. but most my guess is that tax related and Putin cracking down big USD earners since that guy gets madder everyday wants people to stop using USD.

next weekend fight night is just a filler episode of UFC. no interesting matchup. Rose is a main event kind of fighter but she doesn't deliver all the time. there are times when people expected her to win yet she lost to a fighter that doesn't have a skill set. and sometimes people expected Rose will lose, yet she won. they are speculating Tracey to win, Rose might actually KO Cortez. 

Poatan wants to fight in UFC 305 by the way, that's according to social media posts. maybe Pereira-Ankalev will actually be the co-main event. Pereira must be the most active champ in UFC.

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Post by: Zed0X on July 08, 2024, 11:39:28 PM
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they are earning more in boxing https://x.com/MMAJunkie/status/1809624226195800165
i think in one match in UFC, is less than $60k but them fighting in boxing Nate gets $500k while George gets $300k.  Masvidal is a finisher.
Both of them won with their purse and neither of them probably spent a lot during their preparation for this match. Conor, on the other hand, lost $500K for betting on Diaz (from some social media posts I saw). I guess his rival still doesn't want him to win even if they are not fighting directly My bad, Diaz won the boxing match and I'm seeing new posts that Conor also won around $1.6 Million from the $500K bet.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 09, 2024, 09:09:28 PM
Nate Diaz is getting more attention recently, after winning against Masvidal in boxing he could be facing Michael Chandler next in UFC.
Conor McGregor is not doing anything after canceled fight with Chandler, and I dont think anyone should consider that punk for anything serious in UFC.
Last fight in UFC for Chandler was in 2022 against Dustin Poirier, and Nate Diaz last fight was in the same year with Tony Ferguson.
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Post by: pawel7777 on July 09, 2024, 11:25:21 PM
UFC is finally back this weekend so we can move on to that.
Main event Namajunas vs Cortez is great but I am not that excited about other fights on this fight card.

Not the most exciting card ever, but better than nothing.
I'm strongly against females in combat sports, so going to ignore the main event, but Dober Vs Silva looks promising.

The main card:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/07/09/ocdwT.png)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 10, 2024, 11:37:29 PM
Not the most exciting card ever, but better than nothing.
I'm strongly against females in combat sports, so going to ignore the main event, but Dober Vs Silva looks promising.
You are right about this, but some people are pushing for strong woman and other strange things.
If you look who the real owners of UFC are you will understand why this is happening.
Next UFC event is even worse, again two females as main event Amanda Lemos vs Virna Jandiroba.
All that being said, I think there are few amazing female fighters I like and Rose Namajunas is one of them.
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Post by: electronicash on July 11, 2024, 07:14:49 PM
Not the most exciting card ever, but better than nothing.
I'm strongly against females in combat sports, so going to ignore the main event, but Dober Vs Silva looks promising.
You are right about this, but some people are pushing for strong woman and other strange things.
If you look who the real owners of UFC are you will understand why this is happening.
Next UFC event is even worse, again two females as main event Amanda Lemos vs Virna Jandiroba.
All that being said, I think there are few amazing female fighters I like and Rose Namajunas is one of them.

she isn't really tough like Nunes but she can KO and submit opponent. i don't usually watch women in ufc but after beating one of the baddest in the women's division Weili Zhang, it made me watch her fights.

kills the expectation though when she was beaten by Esparza and Foirot. so i'm not sure if Rose wins still. some are saying Cortez is much tougher and will whoop Rose ass when they get there. when it comes to ground fight Rose is well rounded, she could fight on the ground too.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 12, 2024, 11:14:22 PM
she isn't really tough like Nunes but she can KO and submit opponent. i don't usually watch women in ufc but after beating one of the baddest in the women's division Weili Zhang, it made me watch her fights.
I dont like Nunes and what she is representing in UFC, but she is a good fighter and different Bantamweight category from Rose Namajunas that is in Flyweight.

More interesting news coming from Alex Pereira who released a video about his comeback that is planned for this year in November or December.
This could be fight against Magomed Ankalaev or anyone else that UFC offers to him. 
He already defeated Prochazka, Hill, and Blachowicz, so Ankalaev and Rakic are only two top fighters left.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 13, 2024, 11:33:17 AM
More interesting news coming from Alex Pereira who released a video about his comeback that is planned for this year in November or December.
This could be fight against Magomed Ankalaev or anyone else that UFC offers to him. 
He already defeated Prochazka, Hill, and Blachowicz, so Ankalaev and Rakic are only two top fighters left.

Ankalaev surely deserves a title shot and if he doesn't get one, it would be a dent on the UFC's reputation, meaning they no longer have any regards to rankings or the sport element of the business (focussing only on the showbusiness part of it).
I'll be glad to see Pereira moving up to fight Aspinall in the heavyweight, but, in such case he should vacate the light heavyweight belt and let Ankalaev fight for it against someone else.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 13, 2024, 02:09:57 PM
Ankalaev surely deserves a title shot and if he doesn't get one, it would be a dent on the UFC's reputation, meaning they no longer have any regards to rankings or the sport element of the business (focussing only on the showbusiness part of it).
I'll be glad to see Pereira moving up to fight Aspinall in the heavyweight, but, in such case he should vacate the light heavyweight belt and let Ankalaev fight for it against someone else.
Ankalaev should be next for Pereira if they are both healthy and ready for fight but UFC only cares about numbers and how much money that fight can bring.
If I was in Periera place I would not go to heavyweight category, difference in size and everything else is huge, but they can always bring down someone to light heavyweight for him.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 13, 2024, 09:34:38 PM
Ankalaev surely deserves a title shot and if he doesn't get one, it would be a dent on the UFC's reputation, meaning they no longer have any regards to rankings or the sport element of the business (focussing only on the showbusiness part of it).
I'll be glad to see Pereira moving up to fight Aspinall in the heavyweight, but, in such case he should vacate the light heavyweight belt and let Ankalaev fight for it against someone else.
Ankalaev should be next for Pereira if they are both healthy and ready for fight but UFC only cares about numbers and how much money that fight can bring.
If I was in Periera place I would not go to heavyweight category, difference in size and everything else is huge, but they can always bring down someone to light heavyweight for him.

he seem to just rely on whatever is offered to him and if he ever goes to HW, he wants to go directly to the belt and not to fight someone like Volkov or Gane but Jones. however i think this time Jones will be stripped already i recently say a news about it which i guess its going to be up or grabs and it could be Tom vs Pereira if he moves to HW.

i leaning more to the HW direction of his career since he might want to make more money than fighting someone who could potentially take that HW opportunity away from him. and he also mentioned boxing, i think this will also be a greater opportunity for Pereira.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 15, 2024, 10:25:49 PM
Rose Namajunas is back with another win against Tracy Cortez, but this fight card wont be remembered for anything special.
UFC is preparing for bigger events in future, and while everyone is wondering when are we going to see Jon Jones back in octagon, he just earned two new charges for misdemeanor because of drug test.
Jones vs Miocic is planned for UFC 309 in New York during November.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on July 15, 2024, 11:18:12 PM
Rose Namajunas is back with another win against Tracy Cortez, but this fight card wont be remembered for anything special.
Trump attending this after getting shot, as posted in social media by some personalities, would have been the highlight of the event.

UFC is preparing for bigger events in future, and while everyone is wondering when are we going to see Jon Jones back in octagon, he just earned two new charges for misdemeanor because of drug test.
;D We'll probably see the video of the incident soon. His ego was probably hurt but I can understand also why someone would be agitated if suddenly asked to do something after taking a nap.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 16, 2024, 08:24:28 PM
Rose Namajunas is back with another win against Tracy Cortez, but this fight card wont be remembered for anything special.
Trump attending this after getting shot, as posted in social media by some personalities, would have been the highlight of the event.

UFC is preparing for bigger events in future, and while everyone is wondering when are we going to see Jon Jones back in octagon, he just earned two new charges for misdemeanor because of drug test.
;D We'll probably see the video of the incident soon. His ego was probably hurt but I can understand also why someone would be agitated if suddenly asked to do something after taking a nap.


^ doesn't look surprising when we once again seeing news about jones charged with misdemeanor. seem to be his habit already. despite all those, he is still the goat in UFC.
yes i also read those posts that Trump would have been in that Namajunas-Cortez fight if he wasn't shot. it would have been another ovation for the UFC crowd in that stadium.

this weekend is UFC ON ESPN 60 - LEMOS VS. JANDIROBA​

(https://i.imgur.com/fmq1Mq4.jpeg)

one exciting person is the DOO HO CHOI "The Korean Superboy" which his fight win or lose might just be the FOTN  ;D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 16, 2024, 11:47:43 PM
(...) and while everyone is wondering when are we going to see Jon Jones back in octagon, he just earned two new charges for misdemeanor because of drug test.
Jones vs Miocic is planned for UFC 309 in New York during November.

Thanks for the update. I was worried it might be something big, that could get him suspended again, but according to the video he only got charged with "minor" misdemeanour, so probably that's nothing serious.
November seems pretty far away from now, but at least we have a date and some indication of when we can expect the fight to happen.
Meanwhile, we're less than 2 weeks away from Tom Aspinall defending his interim heavyweight belt, something that shouldn't really be happening but hey.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: jesuschrist! on July 17, 2024, 04:06:04 AM
(...) and while everyone is wondering when are we going to see Jon Jones back in octagon, he just earned two new charges for misdemeanor because of drug test.
Jones vs Miocic is planned for UFC 309 in New York during November.

Thanks for the update. I was worried it might be something big, that could get him suspended again, but according to the video he only got charged with "minor" misdemeanour, so probably that's nothing serious.
November seems pretty far away from now, but at least we have a date and some indication of when we can expect the fight to happen.
Meanwhile, we're less than 2 weeks away from Tom Aspinall defending his interim heavyweight belt, something that shouldn't really be happening but hey.

UFC isn't making Tommy vs Curtis 2 a grander event. I can understand Belal who is just a UD artist fighting also who is a UD artist.  But UFC making Bones vs Old Stipe the most-awaited fight?
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: LogitechMouse on July 17, 2024, 04:20:50 AM
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More interesting news coming from Alex Pereira who released a video about his comeback that is planned for this year in November or December.
This could be fight against Magomed Ankalaev or anyone else that UFC offers to him. 
He already defeated Prochazka, Hill, and Blachowicz, so Ankalaev and Rakic are only two top fighters left.
I also saw in one of the Facebook posts (legit FB page) that he doesn't care who he will be fighting with.

His main priority is the belt, and he doesn't care who the opponent will be. Maybe let's add Aspinall and Jon Jones to the list as well because who knows. We might see him going to Heavyweight and try to make history as the first UFC fighter to win in 3 divisions. If I remember correctly, he doesn't want to down on weight anymore and face Adesanya (or it's the other way around). Anyway, whoever he will be fighting with, it willa always be an interesting fight.

Jones vs Miocic is planned for UFC 309 in New York during November.
If this happens, then exclude Jon Jones to the list of possible fighters that Pereira might face in his next match then. Aspinall might be, or if there will be a rematch between him and Hill since he wants a rematch.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 17, 2024, 08:39:04 PM

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More interesting news coming from Alex Pereira who released a video about his comeback that is planned for this year in November or December.
This could be fight against Magomed Ankalaev or anyone else that UFC offers to him. 
He already defeated Prochazka, Hill, and Blachowicz, so Ankalaev and Rakic are only two top fighters left.
I also saw in one of the Facebook posts (legit FB page) that he doesn't care who he will be fighting with.

His main priority is the belt, and he doesn't care who the opponent will be. Maybe let's add Aspinall and Jon Jones to the list as well because who knows. We might see him going to Heavyweight and try to make history as the first UFC fighter to win in 3 divisions. If I remember correctly, he doesn't want to down on weight anymore and face Adesanya (or it's the other way around). Anyway, whoever he will be fighting with, it willa always be an interesting fight.

Jones vs Miocic is planned for UFC 309 in New York during November.
If this happens, then exclude Jon Jones to the list of possible fighters that Pereira might face in his next match then. Aspinall might be, or if there will be a rematch between him and Hill since he wants a rematch.

shouldn't Hill be fighting someone else in this division to earn his rematch? that loss isn't a close fight where one can argue to be just points. it was a dominated KO. Hill went crazy for months in twitter claiming Alex cheated him.

why don't they try Hill and Anka fight for their shot to Alex. or Hill vs Jiri, i think this also make sense before they could fight Alex.  however Alex can fight who will win in the fight between Aspnal vs Blaydes  if he really is going to HW.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 17, 2024, 09:56:13 PM
Thanks for the update. I was worried it might be something big, that could get him suspended again, but according to the video he only got charged with "minor" misdemeanour, so probably that's nothing serious.
November seems pretty far away from now, but at least we have a date and some indication of when we can expect the fight to happen.
Meanwhile, we're less than 2 weeks away from Tom Aspinall defending his interim heavyweight belt, something that shouldn't really be happening but hey.
Main problem in this incident was woman who works with UFC for testing samples.
I am not defending Jon Jones but he posted a short video from his house when he is giving hi-five to the same woman in the end.
He is not known for being a nice guy but he didnt deserve any punishment this time.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 17, 2024, 11:48:15 PM
UFC isn't making Tommy vs Curtis 2 a grander event. (...)

Blaydes is a solid fighter but he's nowhere near the superstar level. Tom is also not that much of a showman, but he lets his performance speak for itself.
Plus, the event is probably aimed primarily at the UK fans, although the time of the event is far too late for any British fan's liking. It's scheduled to start at 11pm and the main events are expected to take place around 3am. I think this and the high ticket prices are the reasons it's not yet fully sold out (I'm assuming it's not as there are still tickets available for sale from the official site).
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 18, 2024, 08:37:11 PM
Blaydes is a solid fighter but he's nowhere near the superstar level. Tom is also not that much of a showman, but he lets his performance speak for itself.
Plus, the event is probably aimed primarily at the UK fans, although the time of the event is far too late for any British fan's liking. It's scheduled to start at 11pm and the main events are expected to take place around 3am. I think this and the high ticket prices are the reasons it's not yet fully sold out (I'm assuming it's not as there are still tickets available for sale from the official site).
Compared with boring UFC fight card scheduled for this weekend, Aspinall vs Blaydes sounds like a heavyweight title fight, oh wait it is but Interim title fight ;D
Aspinall will be motivated to win after losing from Blades in 2022 and I think he has a chance in front of home crowd in Manchester.
Blaydes has a slight reach advantage and he has a chance to win again, I am just waiting to see odds on this fight to make my decision.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 18, 2024, 09:19:31 PM

this is also the reason why Pereira wasn't interested to fight Aspinall all for the interim belt. he wants to directly fight for the HW champ belt Jones. people will doubt whether he could take Jones but being so inactive, i think he could actually.  i don't think Pereira will mind losing, he lost several times and recovered quickly.

UFC isn't making Tommy vs Curtis 2 a grander event. (...)

Blaydes is a solid fighter but he's nowhere near the superstar level. Tom is also not that much of a showman, but he lets his performance speak for itself.
Plus, the event is probably aimed primarily at the UK fans, although the time of the event is far too late for any British fan's liking. It's scheduled to start at 11pm and the main events are expected to take place around 3am. I think this and the high ticket prices are the reasons it's not yet fully sold out (I'm assuming it's not as there are still tickets available for sale from the official site).

too early to say but it could be because these fighters are not saleable even when they add Paddy the baddy.  Belal is the most boring fighter and then matches to an also boring Edwards.  Blaydes vs Aspinall is like a consolation fight for those who expects a big KO.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 18, 2024, 11:26:27 PM
There's some news from Dustin Poirier on his future plans. Apparently he doesn't want to retire yet, he wants to do it with a win. He called out Nate Diaz, who, to me, would be a rather  disappointing opponent for Dustin's last fight, but he's still popular and can sell a fight so not a bad call.
Diaz apparently didn't get paid for his last fight against Masvidal (and is suing the organiser), so who knows, he might go for that if the money is right.

A list of opponents that Poirier said he'd be happy to fight: Nate Diaz, Conor McGregor, Alexander Volkanovski, Justin Gaethje, Max Holloway, Charles Oliveira, and Colby Covington

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/ufc/dustin-poirier-retirement-next-fight-ufc-b2581158.html
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on July 18, 2024, 11:34:17 PM
UFC isn't making Tommy vs Curtis 2 a grander event. (...)
Blaydes is a solid fighter but he's nowhere near the superstar level. Tom is also not that much of a showman, but he lets his performance speak for itself.
Plus, the event is probably aimed primarily at the UK fans, although the time of the event is far too late for any British fan's liking. It's scheduled to start at 11pm and the main events are expected to take place around 3am. I think this and the high ticket prices are the reasons it's not yet fully sold out (I'm assuming it's not as there are still tickets available for sale from the official site).
too early to say but it could be because these fighters are not saleable even when they add Paddy the baddy.  Belal is the most boring fighter and then matches to an also boring Edwards.  Blaydes vs Aspinall is like a consolation fight for those who expects a big KO.
Yeah, Paddy wasn't a draw as organizers expect and at some point, he was also compared to Conor ;D

I still think the main card is decent but I don't expect a record breaking PPV and gate sales. If Tom wins by KO here, it will be much easier to sell his fights.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 18, 2024, 11:37:40 PM
Compared with boring UFC fight card scheduled for this weekend, Aspinall vs Blaydes sounds like a heavyweight title fight, oh wait it is but Interim title fight ;D
Aspinall will be motivated to win after losing from Blades in 2022 and I think he has a chance in front of home crowd in Manchester.
Blaydes has a slight reach advantage and he has a chance to win again, I am just waiting to see odds on this fight to make my decision.

There's no way Tom will lose in front of his own crowd unless his knee gives up again.
The odds are pretty much where you would expect:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/07/18/46w9l.png)

I imagined Tom would be even bigger favourite than this, but this is MMA, so one lucky punch could shift it in an underdog's favour.

this is also the reason why Pereira wasn't interested to fight Aspinall all for the interim belt. he wants to directly fight for the HW champ belt Jones. people will doubt whether he could take Jones but being so inactive, i think he could actually.  i don't think Pereira will mind losing, he lost several times and recovered quickly.

If both, Jones and Aspinall win their fights, there's no way in the world Tom will not get the shot against Jones. If Jones was to refuse and only wanted to fight Pereira instead, he would have to be stripped of his belt. Otherwise the UFC would lose any credibility as a sports organisation and any rankings would be rendered useless.
The only way for Pereira to fight Jones for the HW title is to replace Stipe in the upcoming fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 19, 2024, 05:57:56 PM
A list of opponents that Poirier said he'd be happy to fight: Nate Diaz, Conor McGregor, Alexander Volkanovski, Justin Gaethje, Max Holloway, Charles Oliveira, and Colby Covington
Dustin already lost from Gaethje and Oliveira so it would be interesting to see another fight between them.
I said that Islam Makhachev will be Lightweight champion and I was right, but competition is very strong between all other fighters.
Arman Tsarukyan is another candidate but I think he is going against Makhachev next, after losing from him in 2019.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 19, 2024, 06:41:48 PM
Dustin already lost from Gaethje and Oliveira so it would be interesting to see another fight between them.
I said that Islam Makhachev will be Lightweight champion and I was right, but competition is very strong between all other fighters.
Arman Tsarukyan is another candidate but I think he is going against Makhachev next, after losing from him in 2019.

I think Holloway would be the best opponent for Dustin, but Max is rumoured to fight Ilia Topuria for the featherweight belt, so I don't think that's likely to happen.
Yes, Tsarukyan Vs Makhachev 2 is not yet announced (as far as I know) but everyone expects it to happen. Tsarukyan was banned for 9 months (till Jan 2025), but he could get this reduced to six months if he produces an anti-bullying public service announcement. This means he could be available for late October.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 19, 2024, 06:54:48 PM
Yes, Tsarukyan Vs Makhachev 2 is not yet announced (as far as I know) but everyone expects it to happen. Tsarukyan was banned for 9 months (till Jan 2025), but he could get this reduced to six months if he produces an anti-bullying public service announcement. This means he could be available for late October.
This could be interesting fight for the end of 2024 but I still see Makhachev as the clear winner against Tsarukyan.
I dont know if Makhachev still have any connection with Khabib but he one of his weak spots, russian government could expand investigation to him and other Khabibs friends.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 19, 2024, 08:33:26 PM
Yeah, Paddy wasn't a draw as organizers expect and at some point, he was also compared to Conor ;D
I still think the main card is decent but I don't expect a record breaking PPV and gate sales. If Tom wins by KO here, it will be much easier to sell his fights.

maybe it will sell in UK. and there's Mokaev however who soon to be the baddest in the flyweight. though he wasn't hyped much by Dana, he is undefeated and 6-0 in UFC, besides Taira, this is the Dagestan that will wipe the ranked fighters.

Dustin already lost from Gaethje and Oliveira so it would be interesting to see another fight between them.
I said that Islam Makhachev will be Lightweight champion and I was right, but competition is very strong between all other fighters.
Arman Tsarukyan is another candidate but I think he is going against Makhachev next, after losing from him in 2019.

I think Holloway would be the best opponent for Dustin, but Max is rumoured to fight Ilia Topuria for the featherweight belt, so I don't think that's likely to happen.
Yes, Tsarukyan Vs Makhachev 2 is not yet announced (as far as I know) but everyone expects it to happen. Tsarukyan was banned for 9 months (till Jan 2025), but he could get this reduced to six months if he produces an anti-bullying public service announcement. This means he could be available for late October.

Max Holloway vs Ilia Topuria seem set already they just have no date yet i think its ufc 306-307. they already want Tuporia to fight the BMF for his first title defense fight. he could have just say no first and fight someone like Brian Ortega and then reserve the big fight in Spain which he seem to demand from the start.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on July 19, 2024, 10:38:41 PM
Yeah, Paddy wasn't a draw as organizers expect and at some point, he was also compared to Conor ;D
I still think the main card is decent but I don't expect a record breaking PPV and gate sales. If Tom wins by KO here, it will be much easier to sell his fights.
maybe it will sell in UK. and there's Mokaev however who soon to be the baddest in the flyweight. though he wasn't hyped much by Dana, he is undefeated and 6-0 in UFC, besides Taira, this is the Dagestan that will wipe the ranked fighters.
I never heard of Mokaev and had to watch yt for highlights. He looks like a hybrid Dagestani fighter that's good on the feet and on the ground. If no serious injuries, he'll most likely get to the top in two to three years. If he's also good at talking or selling fights, his journey will be shorter ;D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 20, 2024, 10:10:53 PM
Yeah, Paddy wasn't a draw as organizers expect and at some point, he was also compared to Conor ;D
I still think the main card is decent but I don't expect a record breaking PPV and gate sales. If Tom wins by KO here, it will be much easier to sell his fights.
maybe it will sell in UK. and there's Mokaev however who soon to be the baddest in the flyweight. though he wasn't hyped much by Dana, he is undefeated and 6-0 in UFC, besides Taira, this is the Dagestan that will wipe the ranked fighters.
I never heard of Mokaev and had to watch yt for highlights. He looks like a hybrid Dagestani fighter that's good on the feet and on the ground. If no serious injuries, he'll most likely get to the top in two to three years. If he's also good at talking or selling fights, his journey will be shorter ;D

paddy was compared to conor, we know he isn't though. he isn't the provoking kind and can't back his words as well.  this card however is better than this UFC Vegas 94 despite the main event edwards vs belal.   Tom loses against Curtis for the 2nd time, will mess up this HW.

when ufc picked Mokaev to fight a top dog a few months ago, it was also expected to see Taira heading up the rank as well. these new flyweights are climbing up to.  ufc is bringing new breed on the table.



Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 20, 2024, 10:22:59 PM
I started following Alex Pereira youtube channel more and he is not so cold like many people describ him.
He is helping and visiting sick kids in Melbourne, Australia hospital, he even shaved head of one kid that has cancer and that made him very emotional.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 20, 2024, 11:31:13 PM
paddy was compared to conor, we know he isn't though. (...)

I think the only person comparing him to McGregor was Paddy himself. He has lost a lot of hype due to his attacks on Helwani, which made him look like Dana's lap dog, and due to unconvincing performances in which he nearly got KOed or won by a controversial decision (i.e. against Jared Gordon).
I don't think he manages his public image to well. He's not very consistent and seems like he can't decide whether he wants to play the role of a good or a bad guy.
But to be fair to him, he did redeem himself a bit in the fight with Ferguson, and he still has pretty impressive recognition for a guy that's not even ranked.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 21, 2024, 10:09:44 AM
Posting results from the last night's UFC Fight Night main card. There are no high-profile names here, but judging by the number of early stoppages (4 KOs and 1 submission) it could be interesting.
I haven't yet seen any of these fights though. Maybe I'll catch up on it later.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/07/21/4sM2j.png)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 22, 2024, 09:38:20 PM
paddy was compared to conor, we know he isn't though. (...)

I think the only person comparing him to McGregor was Paddy himself. He has lost a lot of hype due to his attacks on Helwani, which made him look like Dana's lap dog, and due to unconvincing performances in which he nearly got KOed or won by a controversial decision (i.e. against Jared Gordon).
I don't think he manages his public image to well. He's not very consistent and seems like he can't decide whether he wants to play the role of a good or a bad guy.
But to be fair to him, he did redeem himself a bit in the fight with Ferguson, and he still has pretty impressive recognition for a guy that's not even ranked.

you think its true that Dana will release him from UFC? i read this is paddy's last fight in his UFC contract and if this contract isn't renewed i guess its the end of his UFC career. the predictions off top pickers was that Bob Green may actually win against paddy. he won't be retiring i suppose since he is qualified enough to join some other MMA promotions but there is nothing like UFC.

UFC 304 has some good match ups especially the co-main event and several familiar names like Giga. he is underdog against Allen which is kinda odd.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 22, 2024, 11:22:57 PM
you think its true that Dana will release him from UFC? i read this is paddy's last fight in his UFC contract and if this contract isn't renewed i guess its the end of his UFC career. the predictions off top pickers was that Bob Green may actually win against paddy. he won't be retiring i suppose since he is qualified enough to join some other MMA promotions but there is nothing like UFC.

UFC 304 has some good match ups especially the co-main event and several familiar names like Giga. he is underdog against Allen which is kinda odd.

It'd be very unlikely for the UFC to tell Paddy off and not offer him any contract. They may not offer him as much as he wants but I'd imagine he will get an offer.
Like him or not, he's undefeated 5-0 in the UFC, so him leaving for another organisation would cause a dent to the UFC's reputation as the place that every fighter wants to be in.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 23, 2024, 09:10:45 PM
you think its true that Dana will release him from UFC? i read this is paddy's last fight in his UFC contract and if this contract isn't renewed i guess its the end of his UFC career. the predictions off top pickers was that Bob Green may actually win against paddy. he won't be retiring i suppose since he is qualified enough to join some other MMA promotions but there is nothing like UFC.

UFC 304 has some good match ups especially the co-main event and several familiar names like Giga. he is underdog against Allen which is kinda odd.

It'd be very unlikely for the UFC to tell Paddy off and not offer him any contract. They may not offer him as much as he wants but I'd imagine he will get an offer.
Like him or not, he's undefeated 5-0 in the UFC, so him leaving for another organisation would cause a dent to the UFC's reputation as the place that every fighter wants to be in.

though Paddy is annoying for some people in ufc, he still makes a good marketing for the company especially in UK. 5-0 is considerably a good record and he is young. there isn't much that can hype a ufc event in that country who can talk shit on camera. Edwards and Tom, is just not that much of a talker that Dana would like.

i wouldn't be adding paddy in a parlay even though green is kind of old though but i would try a few $ for Tom, Edwards and Allen.  tom by KO you think?
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 23, 2024, 11:06:53 PM
(...)  tom by KO you think?

Statistically, that's the most likely scenario, but Blaydes probably will be focused on surviving round 1, which would be a small victory and could put more mental pressure on Tom. From the vids on youtube it looks like both are preparing for some ground action. So I wouldn't be surprised if this fight goes differently than Tom's previous fights, but I don't think it'd go to the distance.

Here are the odds for all of the main card fights:

Leon Edwards x1.44 vs. Belal Muhammad x2.80
Tom Aspinall x1.27 vs. Curtis Blaydes x3.80
Bobby Green x1.86 vs. Paddy Pimblett x1.94
Christian Leroy Duncan x1.70 vs. Gregory Rodrigues x2.15
Arnold Allen x1.38 vs. Giga Chikadze x3.05

Not the main card, but Mokaev has decent odds at 1.68 against Kape (x2.18).
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 24, 2024, 12:25:46 PM
Finally we have one interesting fight card in UFC after series of boring events.
I like main event Leon Edwards vs Belal Muhammad but I think Edwards have big advantage of home crown and reach advantage.
Co-main is also interesting heavyweight fight, and even in prelims there are fights I am interested to watch.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 24, 2024, 08:21:53 PM
(...)  tom by KO you think?

Statistically, that's the most likely scenario, but Blaydes probably will be focused on surviving round 1, which would be a small victory and could put more mental pressure on Tom. From the vids on youtube it looks like both are preparing for some ground action. So I wouldn't be surprised if this fight goes differently than Tom's previous fights, but I don't think it'd go to the distance.

Here are the odds for all of the main card fights:

Leon Edwards x1.44 vs. Belal Muhammad x2.80
Tom Aspinall x1.27 vs. Curtis Blaydes x3.80
Bobby Green x1.86 vs. Paddy Pimblett x1.94
Christian Leroy Duncan x1.70 vs. Gregory Rodrigues x2.15
Arnold Allen x1.38 vs. Giga Chikadze x3.05

Not the main card, but Mokaev has decent odds at 1.68 against Kape (x2.18).

Tom winning by KO does mean Jones will finally fight him or Jones will still be inactive after fighting Stipe?  these two are fighting over an interim belt but hope this time it won't be meaningless.
but it would mess up the situation also if Tom loses by KO against Blaydes.

they would really need a bigger star like Poatan to come in HW to make things happen. they would need another bogeyman for Jones when if Tom loses, the only down side is Jones getting inactive again.
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Post by: pawel7777 on July 25, 2024, 12:06:21 AM
Tom winning by KO does mean Jones will finally fight him or Jones will still be inactive after fighting Stipe?  these two are fighting over an interim belt but hope this time it won't be meaningless.
but it would mess up the situation also if Tom loses by KO against Blaydes.

they would really need a bigger star like Poatan to come in HW to make things happen. they would need another bogeyman for Jones when if Tom loses, the only down side is Jones getting inactive again.

The style doesn't matter, whoever wins will either face the winner of Jones/Stipe or Jones (or Stipe) will be stripped of the HW belt. The current situation is already ridiculous as it is, and having two permanent HW belts existing in parallel would be an absolute joke.

Sure, Tom is taking a risk, but that's much better than putting his career on hold and waiting for what Jones will decide to do. Tom is confident in his skills and is not shying away from fighting. That's the attitude you want to see in a real champion.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 25, 2024, 06:51:42 PM
The style doesn't matter, whoever wins will either face the winner of Jones/Stipe or Jones (or Stipe) will be stripped of the HW belt. The current situation is already ridiculous as it is, and having two permanent HW belts existing in parallel would be an absolute joke.
If that fight ever happens  :o
Both Jones and Stipe are not getting any younger, Jones is now 37 year old and he only had one fight since 2020, that is with Gane last year.
Stipe is older than Jones, he is now 41 year old, his last fight in UFC was back in 2021, and it not likely he will fight this year.
I would love to see this fight, but Francis NGannou comeback in MMA is also going to be interesting.
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Post by: electronicash on July 25, 2024, 08:06:00 PM
The style doesn't matter, whoever wins will either face the winner of Jones/Stipe or Jones (or Stipe) will be stripped of the HW belt. The current situation is already ridiculous as it is, and having two permanent HW belts existing in parallel would be an absolute joke.
If that fight ever happens  :o
Both Jones and Stipe are not getting any younger, Jones is now 37 year old and he only had one fight since 2020, that is with Gane last year.
Stipe is older than Jones, he is now 41 year old, his last fight in UFC was back in 2021, and it not likely he will fight this year.
I would love to see this fight, but Francis NGannou comeback in MMA is also going to be interesting.

Ngannou is fighting Renan Ferreira in PFL this Oct. and i think he is also coming back to boxing after this PFL fight.

say Tom losses against Blaydes which means Blaydes will be the champ.  i don't mind him being the interim champ but it may be hard for Tom to get a title shot to fight Blaydes for the 3rd time. and its Blaydes will be the one fighting Jones. or maybe Blaydes defending the title several times before fighting Jones.


Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 26, 2024, 12:37:51 AM
Both Jones and Stipe are not getting any younger, Jones is now 37 year old and he only had one fight since 2020, that is with Gane last year.
Stipe is older than Jones, he is now 41 year old, his last fight in UFC was back in 2021, and it not likely he will fight this year.

Nah, I think it'll happen, unless one of them gets any major injury, then it could be called off.
The real question is, will this be Jon's last fight, or will he want to keep going.
If he cares about his legacy and wants to retire in full glory, he'd have to face Tom (if Tom wins against Curtis). Otherwise, in the eyes of the fans, it will look like he's running away from the real challenge.
But if Blaydes was to win, then yeah, I don't think Jones would be interested in such fight. He'd probably prefer to get stripped of the belt and fight Pereira instead.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 26, 2024, 09:59:42 PM
Nah, I think it'll happen, unless one of them gets any major injury, then it could be called off.
The real question is, will this be Jon's last fight, or will he want to keep going.
I think Jones have signed a contract to have more fights in UFC, but I would like him to finish with Dana White and became a free agent.
This way we could see Jones in mega fight against Francis Ngannou, everyone wants to see this, and it would sell a lot of tickets as main event.
Heavyweight category in UFC is not having much action or any new interesting fighters.
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Post by: pawel7777 on July 26, 2024, 11:39:07 PM
To no surprise, Dana White, when asked by a reporter about it during the last press conference, has confirmed that the winner of Aspinall/Blaydes will be fighting the winner of Jones/Miocic.
That's of course provided that the winner of Jones/Miocic won't announce his retirement.

If Aspinall defeats Blaydes, it would be a real shame if he's not matched up with Jones. There simply aren't any other worthy and exciting opponents in the heavyweight right now.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 27, 2024, 11:32:18 AM
If Aspinall defeats Blaydes, it would be a real shame if he's not matched up with Jones. There simply aren't any other worthy and exciting opponents in the heavyweight right now.
I don't think any of this guys can really challenge Jones and be a real threat to him.
Whoever wins in that fight wont be that much motivating for him, and I am still looking at Stipe Miocic as better fighter from other heayvweights, despite being 6th place in UFC rankings.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 27, 2024, 07:41:46 PM
If Aspinall defeats Blaydes, it would be a real shame if he's not matched up with Jones. There simply aren't any other worthy and exciting opponents in the heavyweight right now.
I don't think any of this guys can really challenge Jones and be a real threat to him.
Whoever wins in that fight wont be that much motivating for him, and I am still looking at Stipe Miocic as better fighter from other heayvweights, despite being 6th place in UFC rankings.

with the new rules in UFC allowing them to kick a grounded opponent will make Jones unbeatable that even if he fight the biggest striker Pereira will not win against Jones. new rules though will make the UFC fights exciting.

they are not finishers but Leon and Belal swearing to knock each other is funny. even paddy vs green i think they will not be going all in, they will be cautious to what they could throw. but ether blaydes or tom, because this heavy weight, there will be KO in this fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 28, 2024, 09:47:20 PM
how well could someone really predict one fight to happen and the rest may not in UFC, if you are not to parlay in UFC events, would you try out those winning by method and won some?

i think i would have won much if i just followed my instinct in betting Tom to win by KO and this is predictable in HW fights than on flyweight.  Belal by Decision somehow wasn't very predictable because everybody seem to be focusing in Leon winning the fight whichever method he could have done it.

Paddy's fight could have been predictable but because the odds looks like the fight is going to take 5 rounds but Paddy goes straight to submission in R1.

was lucky enough to cash out.

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Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on July 30, 2024, 07:58:26 PM
I don't think any of this guys can really challenge Jones and be a real threat to him.
Whoever wins in that fight wont be that much motivating for him, and I am still looking at Stipe Miocic as better fighter from other heayvweights, despite being 6th place in UFC rankings.

I couldn't disagree more. If Jones Vs Aspinall was to happen next, the odds would probably be even or maybe slightly in favour of Tom. He's got youth, energy and drive on his side, has been training various aspects of mma all his life and is natural heavyweight.
Jon Jones is past his prime (I think he himself admitted this some time ago), he gave a great fight against Gane, but his last fights in the light heavyweight were far from dominant (including the Reyes one). And that's not to mention he had only 1 fight in over 2 years and is recovering from an injury.

If Jon's intention was to defeat Stipe and announce his retirement, he's in an ugly place right now. If he does that, absolutely everyone will think he's running away from Tom.
But if he takes on the challenge and wins win Tom, that would solidify his position as the greatest mma fighter ever.
This fight just has to happen.

That being said, everyone writes Stipe off, but if he managed to stay in shape and if he takes that fight seriously, it might not be a walk in the park for Jon.
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Post by: notblox1 on July 30, 2024, 08:35:41 PM
I couldn't disagree more. If Jones Vs Aspinall was to happen next, the odds would probably be even or maybe slightly in favour of Tom. He's got youth, energy and drive on his side, has been training various aspects of mma all his life and is natural heavyweight.
If this fight was happening this year I would be ready to place a bet on Jones to win and I am sure he would do it.
I think you forgot how good Jon Jones really is, and I dont underestimate Aspinall when I say this but he would not survive five rounds with Jones in octagon.
I like betting on underdogs but I would never support Aspinall against Jones, unless Jones is fighting with one arm or big injury.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 30, 2024, 08:43:27 PM
I don't think any of this guys can really challenge Jones and be a real threat to him.
Whoever wins in that fight wont be that much motivating for him, and I am still looking at Stipe Miocic as better fighter from other heayvweights, despite being 6th place in UFC rankings.

I couldn't disagree more. If Jones Vs Aspinall was to happen next, the odds would probably be even or maybe slightly in favour of Tom. He's got youth, energy and drive on his side, has been training various aspects of mma all his life and is natural heavyweight.
Jon Jones is past his prime (I think he himself admitted this some time ago), he gave a great fight against Gane, but his last fights in the light heavyweight were far from dominant (including the Reyes one). And that's not to mention he had only 1 fight in over 2 years and is recovering from an injury.

If Jon's intention was to defeat Stipe and announce his retirement, he's in an ugly place right now. If he does that, absolutely everyone will think he's running away from Tom.
But if he takes on the challenge and wins win Tom, that would solidify his position as the greatest mma fighter ever.
This fight just has to happen.

That being said, everyone writes Stipe off, but if he managed to stay in shape and if he takes that fight seriously, it might not be a walk in the park for Jon.

unfortunately, Jones couldn't retire early, he's got more fights in UFC contract afaik. and White wouldn't let him retire too otherwise he will be going to boxing or some other platform to fight someone else which would make Dana furious about it.

he will eventually fight Tommy. or if Jones move down to LH or MW, someone else will fight him to fulfill his contract just like Ferguson who has the longest losing streak already.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on July 30, 2024, 11:26:04 PM
@electroniccash, I read that UFC released Mokaev after winning his last fight. Any idea why his contract wasn't renewed? From the social media comments, his fights were boring that's why Dana had to cut him off.
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Post by: electronicash on July 31, 2024, 07:47:26 PM
@electroniccash, I read that UFC released Mokaev after winning his last fight. Any idea why his contract wasn't renewed? From the social media comments, his fights were boring that's why Dana had to cut him off.

i really don;t have any idea about why Mokaev was released. but base on what they are saying, he punched Kape like damaging him before the real cage fight.  lol this is like Emperor Commodus fighting General Maximus in the Gladiator movie.

there are lots of funny stuff in UFC but true that this is not a sportsman like traits. in the other forum, they were talking about Mokaev pestering Dana for huge pay as well so these are all mixed up and no real story might come out as they all are bursting out their sides.

maybe he is really boring too. when a fighter is not a striker and just dive for ground game, its all boring usually. its why we like Jones and Pereira.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on July 31, 2024, 08:32:37 PM
Khabib Nurmagomedov is back in UFC, but only in corner of his cousin Umar Nurmagomedov at next UFC event in Abu Dhabi.
I cant see Umar losing this fight, he has a perfect 17-0 MMA record and Khabib in corner will motivate him to perform at his best.
This is very good fight card to watch for other fights, we have Deiveson Figueiredo and TonyFerguson in the same event.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on July 31, 2024, 08:48:14 PM
Khabib Nurmagomedov is back in UFC, but only in corner of his cousin Umar Nurmagomedov at next UFC event in Abu Dhabi.
I cant see Umar losing this fight, he has a perfect 17-0 MMA record and Khabib in corner will motivate him to perform at his best.
This is very good fight card to watch for other fights, we have Deiveson Figueiredo and TonyFerguson in the same event.

there are a number of fights that can be an easy win like Sandhagen vs. Nurmagomedov
chosing Nurmagomedov and Michael Chiesa who is fighting Tony is almost a win already and probably that  undefeated Victoria Dudakova. good enough for a parlay.

Figueiredo vs Vera can be a tricky fight. its hard to chose who's who. these two are tested in battle but if i would have to pick, i would chose Vere because he was tough fighting Omalley and was never knockout.

Sharabutdin Magomedov is also a favorite fighter. maybe this one eyed warrior can once again entertain the fans. comments about him was that he is like khamzat with striking accuracy. it could be a good addition to the parlay.

but what i can only add for a parlay to make sure i think is Dudakova, Chiesa and Nurmagomedov. adding the rest may be riskier.
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Post by: pawel7777 on August 01, 2024, 10:50:41 AM
If this fight was happening this year I would be ready to place a bet on Jones to win and I am sure he would do it.
I think you forgot how good Jon Jones really is, and I dont underestimate Aspinall when I say this but he would not survive five rounds with Jones in octagon.
I like betting on underdogs but I would never support Aspinall against Jones, unless Jones is fighting with one arm or big injury.

Jones is only a human, he ages just like anybody else and has his weak sides. He fought only once in the heavyweight against Gane who has zero ground game. His biggest successes were in light heavyweight where he usually had a significant height/reach advantage.
I'm not saying Jones is not good, he's one of the best, but he's beatable and is past his prime.
If he wins unconvincingly against Stipe, he might end up as an underdog against Tom.
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Post by: electronicash on August 01, 2024, 07:13:11 PM
If this fight was happening this year I would be ready to place a bet on Jones to win and I am sure he would do it.
I think you forgot how good Jon Jones really is, and I dont underestimate Aspinall when I say this but he would not survive five rounds with Jones in octagon.
I like betting on underdogs but I would never support Aspinall against Jones, unless Jones is fighting with one arm or big injury.

Jones is only a human, he ages just like anybody else and has his weak sides. He fought only once in the heavyweight against Gane who has zero ground game. His biggest successes were in light heavyweight where he usually had a significant height/reach advantage.
I'm not saying Jones is not good, he's one of the best, but he's beatable and is past his prime.
If he wins unconvincingly against Stipe, he might end up as an underdog against Tom.

Jones maybe feels it himself that he could lose the fight against Tom and for this reason he isn't fighting or its just Dana's decision not to let him fight yet. because there is just no one else who would replace him as one of the biggest  HW star in UFC if he loses.

if he can't show  dominating win vs Stipe because for some reason this fight is really happening. i think the anticipated fight between Tom vs Jon will finally happen, money will flow by the time it happens. it would need to be held in a country where people are hungry for entertainment and will pay huge money for such sport.
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Post by: notblox1 on August 01, 2024, 10:17:10 PM
Jones is only a human, he ages just like anybody else and has his weak sides. He fought only once in the heavyweight against Gane who has zero ground game. His biggest successes were in light heavyweight where he usually had a significant height/reach advantage.
I'm not saying Jones is not good, he's one of the best, but he's beatable and is past his prime.
If he wins unconvincingly against Stipe, he might end up as an underdog against Tom.
No way, bookmakers will never make Jon Jones underdog against Aspinal you can bet on that,
Anyone can be beaten in MMA but I didnt see complete fighter in heavyweight division that can beat him.
Aspinal already lost from Blaydes and he has two more defeats in MMA carrier.
Jones lost only one time in 2009 and never in UFC  ;D
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Post by: pawel7777 on August 02, 2024, 09:46:31 AM
No way, bookmakers will never make Jon Jones underdog against Aspinal you can bet on that,
Anyone can be beaten in MMA but I didnt see complete fighter in heavyweight division that can beat him.
Aspinal already lost from Blaydes and he has two more defeats in MMA carrier.
Jones lost only one time in 2009 and never in UFC  ;D

I've been watching some YT video claiming that there already was one UK bookie that offered odds for the fight and Aspinall was the favourite, but don't have time to dig it up so take this at face value.
Aspinal legitimately lost one MMA fight (he got caught by a heel hook at a very early stage of his career), the other losses were knee injury and disqualification (exact same thing as for Jones).


Jones maybe feels it himself that he could lose the fight against Tom and for this reason he isn't fighting or its just Dana's decision not to let him fight yet. because there is just no one else who would replace him as one of the biggest  HW star in UFC if he loses.
(...)
I think there would be less shame in taking up that fight and losing that running away just to keep his clean (well, sort of) record. But then again, if he was to announce his retirement after the Stipe fight, that's his right, no one should be pressured to keep fighting.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 02, 2024, 10:41:33 AM
Tomorrow's UFC on ABC event looks pretty interesting.
Here are the odds for the main card:

Cory Sandhagen x3.50 vs. Umar Nurmagomedov x1.30
Sharabutdin Magomedov x1.40 vs. Michał Oleksiejczuk x2.95
Marlon Vera x2.20 vs. Deiveson Figueiredo x1.68
Tony Ferguson x5.40 vs. Michael Chiesa x1.15
Mackenzie Dern x1.83 vs. Loopy Godinez x1.98
Joel Álvarez x1.58 vs. Elves Brener x2.38

It's crazy how much of a favourite Umar is, given Sandhagen is ranked number 2 contender.
Anyone taking a gamble on Tony? Chiesa is also not the youngest (36) and is on 3 losses streak.
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Post by: Kemarit on August 02, 2024, 01:17:51 PM
Jones is only a human, he ages just like anybody else and has his weak sides. He fought only once in the heavyweight against Gane who has zero ground game. His biggest successes were in light heavyweight where he usually had a significant height/reach advantage.
I'm not saying Jones is not good, he's one of the best, but he's beatable and is past his prime.
If he wins unconvincingly against Stipe, he might end up as an underdog against Tom.
No way, bookmakers will never make Jon Jones underdog against Aspinal you can bet on that,
Anyone can be beaten in MMA but I didnt see complete fighter in heavyweight division that can beat him.
Aspinal already lost from Blaydes and he has two more defeats in MMA carrier.
Jones lost only one time in 2009 and never in UFC  ;D

I do agree, even if Jones is away from the Octagon for many years, many fans still consider him the GOAT. Even Dana himself says that Jones is a absolute killer and if there will be fighters that he wants to be the room with him, it will be Jones.

No doubt that Aspinal is a rising star, lots of hype around this kid. And even if he is knocking people out easy, I doubt that the can do that to Jon Jones even at this point. So maybe Aspinal is good, but he hasn't seen the kind of animal like Jones in the octagon.
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Post by: electronicash on August 02, 2024, 07:21:02 PM

No way, bookmakers will never make Jon Jones underdog against Aspinal you can bet on that,
Anyone can be beaten in MMA but I didnt see complete fighter in heavyweight division that can beat him.
Aspinal already lost from Blaydes and he has two more defeats in MMA carrier.
Jones lost only one time in 2009 and never in UFC  ;D

I've been watching some YT video claiming that there already was one UK bookie that offered odds for the fight and Aspinall was the favourite, but don't have time to dig it up so take this at face value.
Aspinal legitimately lost one MMA fight (he got caught by a heel hook at a very early stage of his career), the other losses were knee injury and disqualification (exact same thing as for Jones).


Jones maybe feels it himself that he could lose the fight against Tom and for this reason he isn't fighting or its just Dana's decision not to let him fight yet. because there is just no one else who would replace him as one of the biggest  HW star in UFC if he loses.
(...)
I think there would be less shame in taking up that fight and losing that running away just to keep his clean (well, sort of) record. But then again, if he was to announce his retirement after the Stipe fight, that's his right, no one should be pressured to keep fighting.



Jones seem to have planned it this way. and so the HW belt will have to be fought by Aspinall vs N. but he will be haunted forever coward. Dana is on his side though.

there were rumors about Dana considers Jones' record of Disqualification to be erased because of the new rules about grounded opponents and 126 elbow is already changed. i'm not sure how true this is but this is hilarious to think of.
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Post by: pawel7777 on August 03, 2024, 09:21:49 PM
I do agree, even if Jones is away from the Octagon for many years, many fans still consider him the GOAT. Even Dana himself says that Jones is a absolute killer and if there will be fighters that he wants to be the room with him, it will be Jones.

Dana wasn't that keen on praising Jon when Francis became a champ. He even publicly hinted that Jon is scared of Francis. He made a 180 degrees turn when Ngannou decided to leave the UFC. It was not a good look to have the best heavyweight on the planet to be fighting in a competing organisation, so he started to peddle Jon as the best of all time. The reality is Jon has only one fight in the heavyweigh againt a guy who was never a champion.

No doubt that Aspinal is a rising star, lots of hype around this kid. And even if he is knocking people out easy, I doubt that the can do that to Jon Jones even at this point. So maybe Aspinal is good, but he hasn't seen the kind of animal like Jones in the octagon.

I'm not sure if it's really fair to keep calling him a rising star when he has already won the belt and managed to defend it. He has already risen to the highest position. The only step left is to defeat the original champion, and Tom is not the one avoiding that fight.

(...)
there were rumors about Dana considers Jones' record of Disqualification to be erased because of the new rules about grounded opponents and 126 elbow is already changed. i'm not sure how true this is but this is hilarious to think of.

Yeah, I vaguely recall Dana mentioning that, but does he have a power to do that?
It doesn't make sense to me tbh. However stupid the rule was, it was an effective rule at that time, so breaking it was a legit disqualification. Law and rules should not work backwards.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 03, 2024, 10:00:46 PM
I do agree, even if Jones is away from the Octagon for many years, many fans still consider him the GOAT. Even Dana himself says that Jones is a absolute killer and if there will be fighters that he wants to be the room with him, it will be Jones.

Dana wasn't that keen on praising Jon when Francis became a champ. He even publicly hinted that Jon is scared of Francis. He made a 180 degrees turn when Ngannou decided to leave the UFC. It was not a good look to have the best heavyweight on the planet to be fighting in a competing organisation, so he started to peddle Jon as the best of all time. The reality is Jon has only one fight in the heavyweigh againt a guy who was never a champion.

No doubt that Aspinal is a rising star, lots of hype around this kid. And even if he is knocking people out easy, I doubt that the can do that to Jon Jones even at this point. So maybe Aspinal is good, but he hasn't seen the kind of animal like Jones in the octagon.

I'm not sure if it's really fair to keep calling him a rising star when he has already won the belt and managed to defend it. He has already risen to the highest position. The only step left is to defeat the original champion, and Tom is not the one avoiding that fight.

(...)
there were rumors about Dana considers Jones' record of Disqualification to be erased because of the new rules about grounded opponents and 126 elbow is already changed. i'm not sure how true this is but this is hilarious to think of.

Yeah, I vaguely recall Dana mentioning that, but does he have a power to do that?
It doesn't make sense to me tbh. However stupid the rule was, it was an effective rule at that time, so breaking it was a legit disqualification. Law and rules should not work backwards.


and Tom is also an active champ. he defended his interim belt. since Jones will be sticking to his plan to fight Stipe and they are planing for Tom to fight however wins, there is still a chance for Jones to fight Tom unless the retirement is announced after the match.

idk if Dana could undo those records. this is unacceptable because its not just Jones who has disqualification due to those rules. it will be obvious by then if he rewrites Jones record to be undefeated while the rest aren't modified.



Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Kemarit on August 03, 2024, 10:16:22 PM
I do agree, even if Jones is away from the Octagon for many years, many fans still consider him the GOAT. Even Dana himself says that Jones is a absolute killer and if there will be fighters that he wants to be the room with him, it will be Jones.

Dana wasn't that keen on praising Jon when Francis became a champ. He even publicly hinted that Jon is scared of Francis. He made a 180 degrees turn when Ngannou decided to leave the UFC. It was not a good look to have the best heavyweight on the planet to be fighting in a competing organisation, so he started to peddle Jon as the best of all time. The reality is Jon has only one fight in the heavyweigh againt a guy who was never a champion.

No doubt that Aspinal is a rising star, lots of hype around this kid. And even if he is knocking people out easy, I doubt that the can do that to Jon Jones even at this point. So maybe Aspinal is good, but he hasn't seen the kind of animal like Jones in the octagon.

I'm not sure if it's really fair to keep calling him a rising star when he has already won the belt and managed to defend it. He has already risen to the highest position. The only step left is to defeat the original champion, and Tom is not the one avoiding that fight.

(...)
there were rumors about Dana considers Jones' record of Disqualification to be erased because of the new rules about grounded opponents and 126 elbow is already changed. i'm not sure how true this is but this is hilarious to think of.

Yeah, I vaguely recall Dana mentioning that, but does he have a power to do that?
It doesn't make sense to me tbh. However stupid the rule was, it was an effective rule at that time, so breaking it was a legit disqualification. Law and rules should not work backwards.

I haven't heard that Dana says that, although he might have said that, but I have heard this interview of Dana,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9HqIMZAkbHU (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9HqIMZAkbHU)

As for Aspinal, for me though I will call him a hype job, he might have the interim belt and on a winning streak, but he can't keep Jones out of his out and that will be a real challenge for him to call Jones and see how he does and maybe he if wins then there's no question that he is no longer a hype job.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: notblox1 on August 03, 2024, 10:53:54 PM
Dana wasn't that keen on praising Jon when Francis became a champ. He even publicly hinted that Jon is scared of Francis. He made a 180 degrees turn when Ngannou decided to leave the UFC. It was not a good look to have the best heavyweight on the planet to be fighting in a competing organisation, so he started to peddle Jon as the best of all time. The reality is Jon has only one fight in the heavyweigh againt a guy who was never a champion.
Main problem here is the  UFC and Dana White, not the fighters.
They are the main reason why Ngannou and Jon Jones did not fight for a very long time.
Fighters are like gladiators to them, they need to own them as slaves with their contracts, and they keep lion share of earnings.

Tony Ferguson just announced retirement after losing against Chiesa, he didnt have to wait for so long, 8 losat fights in a row.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 04, 2024, 06:14:44 PM
I haven't heard that Dana says that, although he might have said that, but I have heard this interview of Dana,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9HqIMZAkbHU (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9HqIMZAkbHU)

As for Aspinal, for me though I will call him a hype job, he might have the interim belt and on a winning streak, but he can't keep Jones out of his out and that will be a real challenge for him to call Jones and see how he does and maybe he if wins then there's no question that he is no longer a hype job.

you could look at it that way but the mma community isn't a fan of interim. Dana always has a good marketing plan for fights and he could be taking advantage of Saudi Arabia's interest to making big fights to happen. Jones is just like Conor who would also be asking a huge cut which usually happens in boxing.


Dana wasn't that keen on praising Jon when Francis became a champ. He even publicly hinted that Jon is scared of Francis. He made a 180 degrees turn when Ngannou decided to leave the UFC. It was not a good look to have the best heavyweight on the planet to be fighting in a competing organisation, so he started to peddle Jon as the best of all time. The reality is Jon has only one fight in the heavyweigh againt a guy who was never a champion.
Main problem here is the  UFC and Dana White, not the fighters.
They are the main reason why Ngannou and Jon Jones did not fight for a very long time.
Fighters are like gladiators to them, they need to own them as slaves with their contracts, and they keep lion share of earnings.

Tony Ferguson just announced retirement after losing against Chiesa, he didnt have to wait for so long, 8 losat fights in a row.

its a hell of a career for Tony though. he was once a top fighter in his time.  Dana keep Tony going up to 9 loss, either he loves Tony too much or he punished him for whatever he did in the past. i don't know it this has happened in the past before Tony but its gotta be agonizing to a previous champ losing over and over like no one has ever advised him to retire.
my parlay lost, i won Sharabullet by decision though which is 4.60, at least the loss isn't so much.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 06, 2024, 11:18:51 PM
As for Aspinal, for me though I will call him a hype job, he might have the interim belt and on a winning streak, but he can't keep Jones out of his out and that will be a real challenge for him to call Jones and see how he does and maybe he if wins then there's no question that he is no longer a hype job.

Aspinall did everything that he possibly could to earn the title of the HW champ.
He's not the one avoiding Jones and he puts a lot of effort to make it happen.
How will he do against Jones? I have no clue, but I just hope that fight will happen.

Tony Ferguson just announced retirement after losing against Chiesa, he didnt have to wait for so long, 8 losat fights in a row.

Are you referring to the post-fight interview? If so, he did not quite announced his retirement there. He explictly said he does not want to retire, but can't imagine fighting outside of the UFC (which is pressuring him to retire), so he said something about putting one glove away but keeping the other  ;D
I sense we'll see him fighting for a different organisation soon.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 07, 2024, 08:41:25 PM
As for Aspinal, for me though I will call him a hype job, he might have the interim belt and on a winning streak, but he can't keep Jones out of his out and that will be a real challenge for him to call Jones and see how he does and maybe he if wins then there's no question that he is no longer a hype job.

Aspinall did everything that he possibly could to earn the title of the HW champ.
He's not the one avoiding Jones and he puts a lot of effort to make it happen.
How will he do against Jones? I have no clue, but I just hope that fight will happen.

Tony Ferguson just announced retirement after losing against Chiesa, he didnt have to wait for so long, 8 losat fights in a row.

Are you referring to the post-fight interview? If so, he did not quite announced his retirement there. He explictly said he does not want to retire, but can't imagine fighting outside of the UFC (which is pressuring him to retire), so he said something about putting one glove away but keeping the other  ;D
I sense we'll see him fighting for a different organisation soon.

there is no promotion that will take Tony, he lost 9 consecutive times in UFC. maybe Karate Combat where the oldies are there like Luke Rockhold who Tony haven't fought yet.  it must be a sight to have two veterans in a box kicking each other.

so Dana was right after all. he sure should not have release the guy and just let him fight up to 15 losing streak. Dana was already devastated when UFC fighters lost against Jake Paul.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 07, 2024, 11:03:16 PM
there is no promotion that will take Tony, he lost 9 consecutive times in UFC. maybe Karate Combat where the oldies are there like Luke Rockhold who Tony haven't fought yet.  it must be a sight to have two veterans in a box kicking each other.

so Dana was right after all. he sure should not have release the guy and just let him fight up to 15 losing streak. Dana was already devastated when UFC fighters lost against Jake Paul.

Plenty of smaller organisations would be more than happy to take Tony onboard. Karate Combat would be one of them. Of course he won't get any long term contract and would get paid much less than what he was getting in the UFC.
He still has a big name which could be used to prop up younger and prospective fighters, that coul make their names by defeating Tony.

Then again, if he's still on active contract with the UFC and does not intend to retire, they could just match him up with some easy opponent and hope for his win, thn he could re-kindle some of his hype back.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on August 08, 2024, 02:51:59 PM
The UFC 305 card looks underwhelming or maybe I was just expecting more because it's Adesanya's return. Have you placed your bet already? I know Adesanya is the huge favorite but I want Du Plessis to win just for the sake of seeing memes about Dana being disappointed for losing another cash cow ;D Out of all the current champions, I think only Sean and Alex are really marketable.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 08, 2024, 08:47:50 PM
The UFC 305 card looks underwhelming or maybe I was just expecting more because it's Adesanya's return. Have you placed your bet already? I know Adesanya is the huge favorite but I want Du Plessis to win just for the sake of seeing memes about Dana being disappointed for losing another cash cow ;D Out of all the current champions, I think only Sean and Alex are really marketable.

UFC 305 Dricus du Plessis vs. Israel Adesanya is on August 18  and there is an event this weekend which is  the UFC on ESPN: Tybura vs. Spivac 2. these two are rivals at some point. there could be an unexpected result for this fight, they are explosiver fighters, its interesting that their first encounter was a decision.

for a fan, i think no one will missed UFC 305 though. we will find out of if DDP can make it, there are people saying he has higher chance to defeat Izzy.
the odds says otherwise. Adesanya is 1.74 while Dricus 2.11 on Stake. whatever the result, people will still expect him to fight Pereira for the 3rd time in UFC.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 09, 2024, 09:43:21 PM


Jon Jones teases retirement after Stipe Miocic fight expected at UFC 309
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mma/news/jon-jones-teases-retirement-stipe-miocic-ufc-309/dd8e4af7de9e6731e927205c

although jones been teasing retirement since last week, he did it  in response to a troll https://x.com/MMAUNCENSORED1/status/1821862176946115053

fans responded to him was that they are not surprised. jones been trolled over and over for not fighting Aspinall the defend his champ belt while Aspinall has to fight to defend his interim belt.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 11, 2024, 01:22:24 PM
(...) and there is an event this weekend which is  the UFC on ESPN: Tybura vs. Spivac 2. these two are rivals at some point. there could be an unexpected result for this fight, they are explosiver fighters, its interesting that their first encounter was a decision. (...)

That fight didn't last very long, Spivac won by submission in 1:44 of the round 1.
I guess you could say the result was somewhat unexpected, I haven't checked the odds before the fight, but I imagine Tybura must've been the favourite, as he won their previous fight by decission back in 2020. Also, that was Tybura's first loss by submission in his career.
Then again, Serghei is known for his submission wins, so that was not a huge surprise.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 11, 2024, 08:29:54 PM
(...) and there is an event this weekend which is  the UFC on ESPN: Tybura vs. Spivac 2. these two are rivals at some point. there could be an unexpected result for this fight, they are explosiver fighters, its interesting that their first encounter was a decision. (...)

That fight didn't last very long, Spivac won by submission in 1:44 of the round 1.
I guess you could say the result was somewhat unexpected, I haven't checked the odds before the fight, but I imagine Tybura must've been the favourite, as he won their previous fight by decission back in 2020. Also, that was Tybura's first loss by submission in his career.
Then again, Serghei is known for his submission wins, so that was not a huge surprise.

Spivac is like a light heavy weight. moves very fast for a HW that's why he submitted Tyburia without even trying to get off of the situation like wiggle himself lose. and then Herb steps in. Its a waste since he turn the tide in the first minutes, Spivac was under him on the ground. can't say there will be a Tybura vs. Spivac 3. anyone will bet on Spivac the next time.

I think the next fight is DDP vs Adesanya already. maybe a hard KO will happen in this fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 12, 2024, 11:20:56 PM
(...)
I think the next fight is DDP vs Adesanya already. maybe a hard KO will happen in this fight.

Yup, the UFC 305 is taking place this weekend and it's looking good.
Adesanya is a favourite in this one, but I'm rooting for DuPlesis. KO is always possible, but I'm expecting it to go the full distance. Adesanya has only one KO win in his last seven fights, DPP's record is a bit better in this regard, but KOing Adesanya won't be an easy task.

Gamrot Vs Hooker also looks interesting. Gamrot is ranked 5th and is taking a gamble again by fighting a guy that is ranked 11th and Hooker will have a big home crowd advantage.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 13, 2024, 05:46:08 PM
(...)
I think the next fight is DDP vs Adesanya already. maybe a hard KO will happen in this fight.

Yup, the UFC 305 is taking place this weekend and it's looking good.
Adesanya is a favourite in this one, but I'm rooting for DuPlesis. KO is always possible, but I'm expecting it to go the full distance. Adesanya has only one KO win in his last seven fights, DPP's record is a bit better in this regard, but KOing Adesanya won't be an easy task.

Gamrot Vs Hooker also looks interesting. Gamrot is ranked 5th and is taking a gamble again by fighting a guy that is ranked 11th and Hooker will have a big home crowd advantage.

i saw the sportbet games in BTT and seem to have noticed as well that more people are rooting for DDP. maybe he would win too. its just not sure whether he would win by KO but i'm willing to bet for it.

(https://i.imgur.com/81TqcYW.png)

Izzy is actually triggered when DDP once again strike his trolling mouth. he really can make a person go nuts that Izzy said "he is not been this motivated to kill a person" in an interview. i haven't seen the video but some articles were saying so. i don't know this happen but quickly Adesanya become suddenly sound like a villain in UFC.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 13, 2024, 10:49:34 PM
Izzy is actually triggered when DDP once again strike his trolling mouth. he really can make a person go nuts that Izzy said "he is not been this motivated to kill a person" in an interview. i haven't seen the video but some articles were saying so. i don't know this happen but quickly Adesanya become suddenly sound like a villain in UFC.

Yup, Dricus is really good at mind games, he stays calm and composed but knows what to say at the right time to get his opponents triggered and heated up.
What hurts the most is the truth. Exposing Adesanya for what he is - a privileged kid of wealthy parents, who loves to tap to his Nigerian roots but the last thing he wants is to live among "his own" people. This ruins the image Izzy would like to maintain.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 14, 2024, 07:23:04 PM
Izzy is actually triggered when DDP once again strike his trolling mouth. he really can make a person go nuts that Izzy said "he is not been this motivated to kill a person" in an interview. i haven't seen the video but some articles were saying so. i don't know this happen but quickly Adesanya become suddenly sound like a villain in UFC.

Yup, Dricus is really good at mind games, he stays calm and composed but knows what to say at the right time to get his opponents triggered and heated up.
What hurts the most is the truth. Exposing Adesanya for what he is - a privileged kid of wealthy parents, who loves to tap to his Nigerian roots but the last thing he wants is to live among "his own" people. This ruins the image Izzy would like to maintain.

i have no idea if its true but seeing how izzy lives and how he speaks, it sounds like he isn't from Nigeria. the accent is obvious. but it really destroys his narrative but i think the fan of this sport should consider how long he is in the combat sport, he been in kickboxing for years before UFC, can't discredit his UFC success and that he really earn much of his money to buy a lambo.

i really think he isn't rich but they are also not that poor. they travel far to move to another country in search for better future. Izzy is just lucky to have found his calling at his early age and made money since. he is still the favorite though.

meanwhile the latest news i read was that Dana says conor will not fight this year. killing chandler vs conor


Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on August 14, 2024, 11:34:35 PM
Nah, I don't buy Izzy's reaction as genuine. He's not someone that's easily triggered and thrown out of his element because he knows the mind games all too well. I think it's just him following the narrative to sell the fight to the audience. Anyway, I'm still hoping for an upset just because it will piss off Dana ;D Kidding aside, DDP could actually pull it off. He looks huge for the division but will he be fast enough?

As for Conor, he's as good as retired. Don't expect him to fight anyone except when the numbers are right.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 15, 2024, 06:27:34 PM
Nah, I don't buy Izzy's reaction as genuine. He's not someone that's easily triggered and thrown out of his element because he knows the mind games all too well. I think it's just him following the narrative to sell the fight to the audience. Anyway, I'm still hoping for an upset just because it will piss off Dana ;D Kidding aside, DDP could actually pull it off. He looks huge for the division but will he be fast enough?

As for Conor, he's as good as retired. Don't expect him to fight anyone except when the numbers are right.

Izzy fall to the trolling of Strickland.  DDP is more capable than Strickland as anyone can see, DDP can make Izzy crazy to just want to dominate without thinking that DDP can do in the cage. all i can say is that this will be a good fight and Izzy losing this one will make him the loser of the year while DDP can handle talk if he loses this.

but DDP may be charging most of the offense while Izzy just countering every attempt. unless dricus could successfuly take izzy down and the fight is over.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 15, 2024, 11:44:21 PM
(...) meanwhile the latest news i read was that Dana says conor will not fight this year. killing chandler vs conor (...)

Is anyone really surprised by this?
Allegedly McGregor responded to this suggesting it could happen in December, but he's a low credibility source, so if Dana says it won't happen - it probably won't.
Meanwhile, the biggest loser of the whole situation, Michael Chadler, has expressed his will to fight Max Holloway should Max lose his title fight against Topuria. Not a bad shout, but that would also mean that we won't see Chandler fighting at all this year.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 16, 2024, 09:17:11 PM
(...) meanwhile the latest news i read was that Dana says conor will not fight this year. killing chandler vs conor (...)

Is anyone really surprised by this?
Allegedly McGregor responded to this suggesting it could happen in December, but he's a low credibility source, so if Dana says it won't happen - it probably won't.
Meanwhile, the biggest loser of the whole situation, Michael Chadler, has expressed his will to fight Max Holloway should Max lose his title fight against Topuria. Not a bad shout, but that would also mean that we won't see Chandler fighting at all this year.

rescheduling the fight is what both fighters may expect but putting it aside despite the promise is not good. if he keeps the promise to stipe vs jones fight even when its the funny, dana should also make the chandler vs connor fight happen.  holloway vs topuria is a really good match. interesting how it may end. but its seem like topuria's reign as a champ will be cut short because of this. max is still young.

anyway rooting for DDP to win by KO this weekend.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 17, 2024, 09:33:13 PM

this Adesanya vs Dricus press con is the funniest. and Dricus has once again made his opponent cry


he is sure not like Connor who just make the hype funnier and showing of tongue.  Dricus just knows how to win the audience with his witty humor and then almost crossing the line insult. he really can sell a fight despite being awkward in his fighting style.  ;D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on August 17, 2024, 11:27:02 PM

this Adesanya vs Dricus press con is the funniest. and Dricus has once again made his opponent cry
I was able to tune in a couple of minutes before their last verbal exchange and I was laughing at it. It's like Izzy gets into character and then back to normal again. As for DDP, I think he'll have more success in selling if he could emulate Conor even just for a bit.

It's quite surprising that odds are now almost the same. DDP is now @1.92 while it's @1.90 for Izzy.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 17, 2024, 11:42:58 PM
According to Chat GPT Fight Analyst Advanced, Adesanya will KO Du Plessis in round 4:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/08/17/7zJM1.png)
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/08/17/7zjbW.png)

I hope it's wrong though. I don't think it accounts for the fact that Adesanya had some time off and seems to be emotionally unstable even more than before.

Its predictions for other fights:
Gamrot Vs Hooker: Gamrot wins by decision
Kara-France Vs Erceg: Kara-France wins by decision. <-- this one is a bit odd as Erceg is a favorite (odds of x1.47).

Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on August 18, 2024, 09:04:09 AM
MW title bout was an awesome fight. I honestly didn't expect Izzy to be running out of gas in the later rounds and be choked like that. I thought he was doing well after a long lay-off and it was DDP that was fading before he caught Izzy with the right in fourth round.

Dan Hooker vs Mateusz Gamrot was also a treat.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 18, 2024, 06:44:42 PM
Huge win for Dricus. He has proven that he's not a champ by accident. He served Adesanya his first submission loss, but he has also shown that he can fight in a stand-up with him like an equals.
Some are now questioning if Izzy is the same as before, pointing out that after that first TKO by Alex Pereira, his style changed and it looks like he's a bit more afraid of getting punched and he's not engaging in counter-striking as much as he used to, but would rather move back or start running away. To me, it seems like he lost a lot of motivation.

I hope Izzy will stay around, otherwise the middleweight division could get a bit boring. I guess he could fight Whittaker next to see if he can still defeat him for the 3rd time, that would be a good test for him.

I understand DPP is fighting Sean next, but after that, there aren't many potential big fights for him, unless Khamzat is back in shape and manages to score a win on one of the top guys to earn his right to a title shot.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 18, 2024, 07:05:15 PM
Huge win for Dricus. He has proven that he's not a champ by accident. He served Adesanya his first submission loss, but he has also shown that he can fight in a stand-up with him like an equals.
Some are now questioning if Izzy is the same as before, pointing out that after that first TKO by Alex Pereira, his style changed and it looks like he's a bit more afraid of getting punched and he's not engaging in counter-striking as much as he used to, but would rather move back or start running away. To me, it seems like he lost a lot of motivation.

I hope Izzy will stay around, otherwise the middleweight division could get a bit boring. I guess he could fight Whittaker next to see if he can still defeat him for the 3rd time, that would be a good test for him.

I understand DPP is fighting Sean next, but after that, there aren't many potential big fights for him, unless Khamzat is back in shape and manages to score a win on one of the top guys to earn his right to a title shot.

that's whats been said. Sean gets the 2nd shot at the title. he earned it i think because he won against Acosta in his last fight and his fight with Dricus is just a decision after all. i can only assume Sean no taking a shot to talk shit to Dricus if he doesn't want the daddy beating him issue resurface.

Izzy been taken down several times in this fight and every time he turned his back to Dricus as well giving him the advantage. in the 4th round i think that was due already while he also gassed out.  lost my KO bet.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 18, 2024, 09:12:11 PM
(...) lost my KO bet.

I can't blame you tbh.
I rooted for Dricus but still thought that Adesanya was a deserved favorite. No one could expect that DDP would score so many takedowns with such ease and submit Izzy, which is something that nobody has ever done before.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 18, 2024, 09:32:46 PM
(...) lost my KO bet.

I can't blame you tbh.
I rooted for Dricus but still thought that Adesanya was a deserved favorite. No one could expect that DDP would score so many takedowns with such ease and submit Izzy, which is something that nobody has ever done before.

i was rooting for DDP by KO (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=post;quote=1605241;topic=314806.345;last_msg=1608860) but he choked Izzy instead. DDP is known for submitting though. i was just expecting the fight to be standing since Izzy like the fight to be standing as well.

i think a lot of people lost in this fight card knowing that the favorite fighters lost their fight particularly Gamroot who his fans have been expecting him to win. but then again its also Dan hooker who is also an experienced fighter.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 18, 2024, 10:32:11 PM
(...)
i think a lot of people lost in this fight card knowing that the favorite fighters lost their fight particularly Gamroot who his fans have been expecting him to win. but then again its also Dan hooker who is also an experienced fighter.

Yeah, Gamrot was a big favourite but he failed to deliver. He took a gamble accepting a fight with a much lower-ranked Hooker, in enemy's territory at a short notice, and it didn't pay off. It's a shame because he started the fight really well and it was going well until he got caught in the last minute of round one, and I don't think he fully recovered from that. He was also not effective with his grappling. He would take Dan down but wasn't able to do much on the ground. He could've gone for a ground and pound as he did in round one, but instead, he was overly focussed on trying to control Dan, which led to nothing.
Somewhat controversial decision, but Mateusz has himself to blame.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 19, 2024, 09:23:37 PM
(...)
i think a lot of people lost in this fight card knowing that the favorite fighters lost their fight particularly Gamroot who his fans have been expecting him to win. but then again its also Dan hooker who is also an experienced fighter.

Yeah, Gamrot was a big favourite but he failed to deliver. He took a gamble accepting a fight with a much lower-ranked Hooker, in enemy's territory at a short notice, and it didn't pay off. It's a shame because he started the fight really well and it was going well until he got caught in the last minute of round one, and I don't think he fully recovered from that. He was also not effective with his grappling. He would take Dan down but wasn't able to do much on the ground. He could've gone for a ground and pound as he did in round one, but instead, he was overly focussed on trying to control Dan, which led to nothing.
Somewhat controversial decision, but Mateusz has himself to blame.

even in the first round gamrot wasn't very effective. he was hurt by a hook. his takedowns seems aiming only to one leg and lifting hooker with it. if it was islam doing it, the other standing leg would be the next to be swept for hooker to lay flat. in a standing fight, it was hooker whos winning which is gamrot's fight plan is not at all working.

but looking at their faces and to decide for myself i think gamrot still made points better than hooker.   
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 23, 2024, 12:29:33 AM
So, apparently, Khalil Rountree confirmed in a recent interview that he isn't planning to shoot for a takedown when fighting Pereira in October:
https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/khalil-rountree/khalil-rountree-reveals-he-isnt-planning-on-shooting-takedowns-against-alex-pereira/
Quick glance at Rountree's record and Wikipedia page: he has a background in Muay Thai and zero submission wins in his career. So at least we know why the UFC was so keen on matching him up against Alex.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 23, 2024, 07:30:45 PM
So, apparently, Khalil Rountree confirmed in a recent interview that he isn't planning to shoot for a takedown when fighting Pereira in October:
https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/khalil-rountree/khalil-rountree-reveals-he-isnt-planning-on-shooting-takedowns-against-alex-pereira/
Quick glance at Rountree's record and Wikipedia page: he has a background in Muay Thai and zero submission wins in his career. So at least we know why the UFC was so keen on matching him up against Alex.

not surprising anymore. most likely the reason why Alex wasn't matched to someone from Dagestan who would control him on the ground. in his first fight in MMA he was pinned down several times by an unknown fighter. and was choked iirc.

Dana is protecting him now as he is one of the cash cow in UFC. he is now like Jon Jones that supposedly has to fight Aspinall because he got the interim title but Dana seem preventing it from happening and instead Jon is to fight Stipe for the title while Stipe hasn't fought for years.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on August 23, 2024, 11:10:45 PM
^ Jumping straight to UFC 307? ;D

For UFC 306, early odds shows that Sean O'Malley is the slight underdog against Merab Dvalishvili. I didn't understand why at first because I don't watch Merab fights but it looks like his main weapon is his offensive grappling. Since that's like a bad match up for a striker like Sean, the odds makes more sense now.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 23, 2024, 11:35:52 PM
^ Jumping straight to UFC 307? ;D

Only because of the controversial match-up  ;D

For UFC 306, early odds shows that Sean O'Malley is the slight underdog against Merab Dvalishvili. I didn't understand why at first because I don't watch Merab fights but it looks like his main weapon is his offensive grappling. Since that's like a bad match up for a striker like Sean, the odds makes more sense now.

O'Malley has proven that he can take on wrestlers, but Dvalishvili is on another level, at least that's what he looked like when he dominated Cejudo (another wrestler). Sean will have a significant reach advantage and he knows how to use it. And I don't think Merab will be able to finish Sean off even if he manages to take him to the ground.


Betting odds for tomorrow's UFC fight night:

Jared Cannonier x2.95 vs. Caio Borralho x1.40   
Angela Hill x2.04 vs. Tabatha Ricci x1.78         
Ryan Loder x2.28 vs. Robert Valentin Frey x1.63
Kaan Ofli x2.80 vs. Mairon Santos x1.44
Neil Magny x6.75 vs. Michael Morales x1.11
Edmen Shahbazyan x1.33 vs. Gerald Meerschaert x3.35

Decent odds for Jared. He's an underdog due to his age and the fact the Borralho is on the rise, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wins this one.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 23, 2024, 11:43:34 PM
^ Jumping straight to UFC 307? ;D

For UFC 306, early odds shows that Sean O'Malley is the slight underdog against Merab Dvalishvili. I didn't understand why at first because I don't watch Merab fights but it looks like his main weapon is his offensive grappling. Since that's like a bad match up for a striker like Sean, the odds makes more sense now.

O'malley has the reach and striking power to KO Merab but if that's what the odds says.  i will just find out which are the fighters to look up to win. i am also not sure how this will end because of the the odds. Omalley surely can deliver a KO. Merab couldn't always hold his opponent but seem like the bookmakers trusted him more.

but every time Dana despises a fighter, it always end up being the loser in his next fight. and Dana hates Merab. it might just be the case once again. can't say i will bet in this fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 25, 2024, 09:00:07 AM
Just posting the results of the last night's main card:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/08/25/7lbua.png)

I haven't watched any of those fights yet, but judging by the damage on the faces of both fighters in the post-fight interview, the main event could've been an interesting fight. I can't find any highlights videos (or a full fight) of it atm though.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 25, 2024, 07:02:48 PM
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I haven't watched any of those fights yet, but judging by the damage on the faces of both fighters in the post-fight interview, the main event could've been an interesting fight. I can't find any highlights videos (or a full fight) of it atm though.

Jus a follow up:
TNT has just posted highlights:

Pretty even fight until the very last round. I thought, given his age, Cannonier would gas out in the later rounds but he remained dangerous and explosive up till the end. I feel sorry for him as he had his moments and it looked like he might KO Borralho with those nice counterpunches, but Borralho was just a bit too good.
It's a small miracle Cannonier survived that knockdown in rd 5, so losing by UD is not so bad from that perspective.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 25, 2024, 09:00:34 PM

the hammer fists didn't  flat lined Cannonier. he lost the fight though. a bit fair in the beginning but Borral eventually made more significant strikes than Jared. Borralho even scored big in round 3 where he wobbled the legs of Cannonier. 

its insane to see Borralho claiming to be the face of MW already after just this fight when he is just in the 12th in the rank. he would likely fold if matched to Whittaker in his next fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 26, 2024, 12:03:02 AM
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its insane to see Borralho claiming to be the face of MW already after just this fight when he is just in the 12th in the rank. he would likely fold if matched to Whittaker in his next fight.

The rankings are yet to be updated, should take a day or two. Given Jared is (or was) ranked No. 5, it's possible Borralho will jump in his place and Jared will drop by a few places.

And ever since McGregor's self-promoting strategy turned out to be super-successful we have a lot of fighters talking big things about themselves hoping to copy his success even only to a small degree.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 26, 2024, 07:07:10 PM
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its insane to see Borralho claiming to be the face of MW already after just this fight when he is just in the 12th in the rank. he would likely fold if matched to Whittaker in his next fight.

The rankings are yet to be updated, should take a day or two. Given Jared is (or was) ranked No. 5, it's possible Borralho will jump in his place and Jared will drop by a few places.

And ever since McGregor's self-promoting strategy turned out to be super-successful we have a lot of fighters talking big things about themselves hoping to copy his success even only to a small degree.

well people wouldn't mind if they claim something but not too much for he will be laughed at if its not going to happen. if Tank Davis claims to be the face of boxing, the fans wouldn't really mind it since he has really proven it many times in the ring and people will cheer for it.

anyway the next weekend's card is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Burns_vs._Brady


(https://i.imgur.com/UQFEM0U.jpeg)

the cauliflower ears certainly looks like they experience a lot of trauma.


Welterweight   Gilbert Burns   vs.   Sean Brady            
Women's Flyweight   Jéssica Andrade   vs.   Natália Silva            
Featherweight   Steve Garcia   vs.   Kyle Nelson            
Flyweight   Matt Schnell   vs.   Alessandro Costa            
Lightweight   Trevor Peek   vs.   Yanal Ashmouz            
Preliminary card (ESPN+ / UFC Fight Pass)
Lightweight   Rong Zhu   vs.   Chris Padilla            
Light Heavyweight   Ryan Spann   vs.   Ovince Saint Preux            
Women's Strawweight   Jaqueline Amorim   vs.   Vanessa Demopoulos            
Lightweight   Isaac Dulgarian   vs.   Brendon Marotte            
Flyweight   Felipe dos Santos   vs.   André Lima            
Featherweight   Yi Zha   vs.   Gabriel Santos            
Middleweight   Andre Petroski   vs.   Dylan Budka            






Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 28, 2024, 12:42:48 AM
Yup, nothing going on this weekend in the UFC and there's Burns Vs Brady the week after, on 7th/8th.
Gilbert's fights tend to be entertaining and Brady has an impressive 16-1 record, losing only to Belal (by TKO), so it should be interesting.
Brady is a x1.58 favourite, odds for Burns are x2.38. I'm not sure if it was due to injury (or injuries) but Brady only had 3 fights since Nov 2021, with his last fight being in Dec 2023.
Gilbert should be extra motivated to defend the family's name after his younger brother's, Herbert, poor performance (and 4th loss in a row) during the UFC 305.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 28, 2024, 09:32:24 PM
Yup, nothing going on this weekend in the UFC and there's Burns Vs Brady the week after, on 7th/8th.
Gilbert's fights tend to be entertaining and Brady has an impressive 16-1 record, losing only to Belal (by TKO), so it should be interesting.
Brady is a x1.58 favourite, odds for Burns are x2.38. I'm not sure if it was due to injury (or injuries) but Brady only had 3 fights since Nov 2021, with his last fight being in Dec 2023.
Gilbert should be extra motivated to defend the family's name after his younger brother's, Herbert, poor performance (and 4th loss in a row) during the UFC 305.

Burns is in 2 consecutive loss though. the fight would likely be a good match if Burns is in his prime but he is not and Brady is capable of destroying him at his stage. Its a 2nd chance for Brady to go up again. the fight card is full of fighters who lost in their last fight. but they are very much remarkable at one point like Steve Garcia and Matt Schnell. not so much promotion when its just a FN.

people are anticipating the UFC 306: O'Malley vs. Dvalishvili than this one.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on August 29, 2024, 11:53:29 PM
Burns is in 2 consecutive loss though. the fight would likely be a good match if Burns is in his prime but he is not and Brady is capable of destroying him at his stage. Its a 2nd chance for Brady to go up again.

I think at this stage of his career, Gilbert is probably more concerned about giving a great show and not dropping from the top 15 ranking than about scoring a win. He probably only has a few fights left in him, given he's 38, I'd imagine his goal is not to aim for the belt, but to squeeze out as much money as possible by fighting often preferably against marketable names.

Anyhow, Chat GPT has some faith in him:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/08/29/9tlgc.png)



In other news, some time ago Merab Dvalishvili attacked a fan:


I was concerned he could be facing a few months' suspension similar to what Tsarukyan got for punching a fan, but it looked like Merab showed enough restraint at the end and didn't go too far with it. It was also almost 2 weeks ago (judging by the upload date) so if he was to get suspended, that would probably already have happened.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on August 30, 2024, 07:13:17 PM

that must have been scary for a fan. lol guys like that who fights for a living is not easy to stopped. its good that he didn't show aggressiveness to Merab or it would have been a disaster.  who could replace Merab if he got suspended?

we aged fighters always decline in skills all the time. but they are once feared during their prime and he had some few title shots before, he wasn't that fortunate to make it but he earned them all unlike those fighters who just kiss ass Dana.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 04, 2024, 12:14:35 AM

this weekend event is UFC Fight Night: Burns vs. Brady (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night%3A_Burns_vs._Brady) in UFC Apex.


(https://i.imgur.com/M6ajoYC.jpeg)

Welterweight    Gilbert Burns    vs.    Sean Brady             
Women's Flyweight    Jéssica Andrade    vs.    Natália Silva             
Featherweight    Steve Garcia    vs.    Kyle Nelson             
Lightweight    Trevor Peek    vs.    Yanal Ashmouz             
Lightweight    Rong Zhu    vs.    Chris Padilla             
Preliminary card (ESPN+)
Light Heavyweight    Ryan Spann    vs.    Ovince Saint Preux             
Featherweight    Isaac Dulgarian    vs.    Brendon Marotte             
Flyweight    Felipe dos Santos    vs.    André Lima             
Featherweight    Yi Zha    vs.    Gabriel Santos             
Women's Strawweight    Jaqueline Amorim    vs.    Vanessa Demopoulos             
Middleweight    Andre Petroski    vs.    Dylan Budka             
Featherweight    Žygimantas Ramaška    vs.    Nathan Fletcher    

as much as i want Burns to win, he may not be able to win against a younger fighter. Burn knows how to defend himself against a grappler like himself. they are both grappler so i wouldn't be expecting a submission from any o them but i think this will be a win for Brady by decision.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 05, 2024, 10:50:41 PM
Ladies and gentlemen - meet the next president of Ireland:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/05/9qLS9.png)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/mma/article-13817591/Conor-McGregor-ireland-president.html

McGregor has hinted before he would run for president one day and 7h ago he confirmed his plans on X:
https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1831676863334273494

Quote
As President I hold the power to summon the Dáil as well as dissolve it. So as i said before, I would have all the answers the people of Ireland seek from these thieves of the working man, these disrupters of the family unit, these destructors of small businesses, and on and on and on! These charlatans in their positions of power would be summoned to answer to the people of Ireland and I would have it done by day end. Or I would be left with no choice but to dissolve the Dáil entirely. Stop the train until. The people of Ireland deserve the answers they seek. Point blank. This would be my power as President. I know very well. Ireland needs an active President employed wholly by the people of Ireland. It is me. I am the only logical choice. 2025 is upcoming…

Is he serious or trolling? Who knows...
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on September 05, 2024, 11:03:37 PM
^ Nah the guy must be trolling. We've seen him clown a lot in interviews and press conferences but maybe some people in a bar (holding beers) would take that seriously ;D I would believe that opening campaign speech if he was only running for a position in a school organization ;D
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 06, 2024, 12:12:59 AM
^ Nah the guy must be trolling. We've seen him clown a lot in interviews and press conferences but maybe some people in a bar (holding beers) would take that seriously ;D I would believe that opening campaign speech if he was only running for a position in a school organization ;D

There's a lot of tension in Ireland over uncontrolled immigration, and big chunk of society is utterly disappointed in the political class. So if he was to run, he could harvets the votes of all those who just want to say "F-you" to the current government, and he would not be without a chance.
But that's just theory. In practice, you can't do much without political structures, even if you're super famous. He would probably struggle to even register as a candidate.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 06, 2024, 08:46:19 PM

^ Nah the guy must be trolling. We've seen him clown a lot in interviews and press conferences but maybe some people in a bar (holding beers) would take that seriously ;D I would believe that opening campaign speech if he was only running for a position in a school organization ;D

There's a lot of tension in Ireland over uncontrolled immigration, and big chunk of society is utterly disappointed in the political class. So if he was to run, he could harvets the votes of all those who just want to say "F-you" to the current government, and he would not be without a chance.
But that's just theory. In practice, you can't do much without political structures, even if you're super famous. He would probably struggle to even register as a candidate.

It will be fun to see him being a president in his country  :o it would be the first in the history to see a UFC fighter becoming a president if it happens.

i remember he was marked among the far right in the country. the country's history is very colorful when it comes to revolution. i'm sure he will be leading this given a chance. i think there will be a lot of fights on the streets involving the immigrants since he will be supporting witch hunting those Muslims immigrants, he been very vocal about it in the past.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 09, 2024, 11:53:04 PM
i remember he was marked among the far right in the country

It doesn't take much to earn you a label of far-right nowadays. Any views that were considered normal 10 or 20 years ago are now deemed ultra far-right by certain groups.

Anyhow, here are the odds for the UFC 306 main card fights:

Sean O'Malley x1.82 vs. Merab Dvalishvili x1.98
Alexa Grasso x1.80 vs. Valentina Shevchenko x2.02
Brian Ortega x2.50 vs. Diego Lopes x1.53
Daniel Zellhuber x1.42 vs. Esteban Ribovics x2.88
Ronaldo Rodríguez x1.76 vs. Ode' Osbourne x2.07

I imagined O'Malley would be more of a favourite, but I think the odds look quite fair.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 10, 2024, 10:38:17 PM
i remember he was marked among the far right in the country

It doesn't take much to earn you a label of far-right nowadays. Any views that were considered normal 10 or 20 years ago are now deemed ultra far-right by certain groups.

Anyhow, here are the odds for the UFC 306 main card fights:

Sean O'Malley x1.82 vs. Merab Dvalishvili x1.98
Alexa Grasso x1.80 vs. Valentina Shevchenko x2.02
Brian Ortega x2.50 vs. Diego Lopes x1.53
Daniel Zellhuber x1.42 vs. Esteban Ribovics x2.88
Ronaldo Rodríguez x1.76 vs. Ode' Osbourne x2.07

I imagined O'Malley would be more of a favourite, but I think the odds look quite fair.

yep far right for reacting about the riots in the country using twitter. authorities eyes was looking into Conor behavior after his tweet. i couldn't find it anymore but they were accusing him off inciting revolution that time. but true anything you say today that questions the policies off the country today makes you a far right Trump supporter. not sure why their government is taking in immigrants. but because its happening in UK and US. i guess the Irish figured they have no say over these policies and Conor is stepping the line?

O'Malley is the fave. idk why it was Dvalish was the fave weeks ago. bookmakers seem to be playing tricks.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on September 10, 2024, 11:58:06 PM
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O'Malley is the fave. idk why it was Dvalish was the fave weeks ago. bookmakers seem to be playing tricks.
Don't they always? ;D

Anyway, I might be betting on Merab. I like how Sean fights but I still think Merab will be able to grab him and finish on the ground. In a way, this match up is similar to the Sean vs. Aljo's fight but I'm expecting a different result.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 11, 2024, 12:20:05 AM
Don't they always? ;D

Anyway, I might be betting on Merab. I like how Sean fights but I still think Merab will be able to grab him and finish on the ground. In a way, this match up is similar to the Sean vs. Aljo's fight but I'm expecting a different result.

I don't know, as much as I want Merab to win, I agree with Sean being the favourite here. He was tested against wrestlers before and came up at the top. He knows how to utilise his reach advantage and keep the distance making it hard for Dvalishvili to take him down and increasing the risk of Merab getting KO'd while trying to do so.
Even if the fight goes to the ground, it won't be easy to hold Sean down. Escaping from such situations was probably one of his main focuses during training camps in the last few years.
And we also have the cut above Merab's eye which may not be 100% healed.
Whatever the result, it will be a good fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 11, 2024, 05:35:15 PM
I'm just going to drop it here:

Israel Adesanya Drops Out Of UFC Pound-For-Pound Rankings For First Time Since 2019
https://www.sportscasting.com/uk/news/israel-adesanya-drops-out-of-ufc-pound-for-pound-rankings-for-first-time-since-2019/

So they dropped Izzy out of the pound-for-pound ranking in favour of Aljamain Sterling. I've no idea what are the criteria for getting to that ranking, but I'd say Izzy is still more deserving to be there than Aljo. But that's just my opinion.

He's still ranked number 2 contender in the Middleweight ranking, no changes here.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 11, 2024, 10:06:56 PM
I'm just going to drop it here:

Israel Adesanya Drops Out Of UFC Pound-For-Pound Rankings For First Time Since 2019
https://www.sportscasting.com/uk/news/israel-adesanya-drops-out-of-ufc-pound-for-pound-rankings-for-first-time-since-2019/

So they dropped Izzy out of the pound-for-pound ranking in favour of Aljamain Sterling. I've no idea what are the criteria for getting to that ranking, but I'd say Izzy is still more deserving to be there than Aljo. But that's just my opinion.

He's still ranked number 2 contender in the Middleweight ranking, no changes here.

must be true that Izzy's career is spiraling. after winning against Pereira in their rematch, he seem to be slowing down and lose in a terrible way in his last 2 fights. from those guys who are overly analyzing stuff in UFC, they though Izzy is doing all these to avoid Adesanya vs Pereira 3.

well p4p is just another ranking for their reputation. but adding Aljo in the ranking doesn't make sense. i think the UFC should have different rank for strikers and wrestlers. because the word "pound" will lose its meaning if they add a wrestlers on top.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 12, 2024, 10:09:43 PM

its the first in the UFC, they say that it will happen in the Sphere; When you walk into the lobby of the sphere, you’re gonna meet a hologram Dana White

https://x.com/oscarswillis/status/1834260723775787499

looks like Dana really is making this very interesting just to compete the Canelo Alvarez boxing match next to its stadium.  here's how it may look like

(https://i.imgur.com/UpKCszj.gif)

while the real dana is watching Canelo.  ;D

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 15, 2024, 09:24:26 AM
I haven't seen the whole event and only woke up to see the results and the main event's highlights.
I have to say, I did not expect Merab to be this dominating, I honestly thought Sean was the favourite, but he just didn't deliver with his striking.
See the stats in the fight card, O/Malley only landed 49 strikes, while Merab 214, that's over 4 times more. I expected to see the opposite.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/15/BKIcW.png)

This is bad for the UFC, as O'Malley was very marketable, but he lost in such a fashion that he doesn't really deserve a rematch or another title shot anytime soon.
He had a lot of options, including a potential super-fight with Topuria (if he was to defeat Holloway) but this is probably off the table right now.
I sense we might see him fighting Sandhagen next, but maybe moving up to the featherweight is not a bad idea.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on September 16, 2024, 12:53:13 PM
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I have to say, I did not expect Merab to be this dominating, I honestly thought Sean was the favourite, but he just didn't deliver with his striking.
See the stats in the fight card, O/Malley only landed 49 strikes, while Merab 214, that's over 4 times more. I expected to see the opposite.
I guess we can assume that Sean's team had the wrong game plan. I think they were expecting Merab to go for take downs immediately as the fight started and prepared to counter. That didn't happen and that might have threw Sean of his game. If he had been the aggressor from the early rounds, the result would have been different.

It's a smart fight by Merab. I thought he was going to win by submission but he did enough to frustrate Sean early and win by points. I read some comments/reactions bashing the judges who scored it 48-47 but I think that score is also fair. Sean adjusted from the middle to the last round but it was a bit late.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 16, 2024, 08:26:18 PM
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I have to say, I did not expect Merab to be this dominating, I honestly thought Sean was the favourite, but he just didn't deliver with his striking.
See the stats in the fight card, O/Malley only landed 49 strikes, while Merab 214, that's over 4 times more. I expected to see the opposite.
I guess we can assume that Sean's team had the wrong game plan. I think they were expecting Merab to go for take downs immediately as the fight started and prepared to counter. That didn't happen and that might have threw Sean of his game. If he had been the aggressor from the early rounds, the result would have been different.

It's a smart fight by Merab. I thought he was going to win by submission but he did enough to frustrate Sean early and win by points. I read some comments/reactions bashing the judges who scored it 48-47 but I think that score is also fair. Sean adjusted from the middle to the last round but it was a bit late.


round after round Sean's feet always ends up off the ground. they are right about Merab going for takedowns and Sean is defenseless to that.

Merab was just playing Sean, there was a time I think in the 2nd round where Merab make fun and provoking that Sean in his dismay swings a left even after the bell rang.  it doesn't look good on him and i guess Sean's champ days is over. Umar may now be interested in fighting Merab since Merab been calling out Umar some time ago.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 17, 2024, 05:29:37 PM
I guess we can assume that Sean's team had the wrong game plan. I think they were expecting Merab to go for take downs immediately as the fight started and prepared to counter. That didn't happen and that might have threw Sean of his game. If he had been the aggressor from the early rounds, the result would have been different.

I don't know. To me it looked like Sean wasn't quite himself.
That could be due to him just failing to prepare at 100% or to Merab being successful in neutralising Sean's strengths.
I don't think Dvalishvili surprised anyone with his tactic, he fought the way he always does.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 17, 2024, 08:21:21 PM
I guess we can assume that Sean's team had the wrong game plan. I think they were expecting Merab to go for take downs immediately as the fight started and prepared to counter. That didn't happen and that might have threw Sean of his game. If he had been the aggressor from the early rounds, the result would have been different.

I don't know. To me it looked like Sean wasn't quite himself.
That could be due to him just failing to prepare at 100% or to Merab being successful in neutralising Sean's strengths.
I don't think Dvalishvili surprised anyone with his tactic, he fought the way he always does.

i'm sure Sean was surprised that Merab keeping the distance but at the same time get closer to take him down. if Merab can do this to Suga and dominates the fight, he can do this to all strikers he could fight and will still have the same success.

Merab however seem like ducking Umar according to some articles in my feed. funny how these guys change almost instantly right when they become a champ. Merab suddenly was uninterested in fighting Umar. too bad to see himself couldn't defend a title at least once.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 18, 2024, 02:46:28 PM
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Merab however seem like ducking Umar according to some articles in my feed. funny how these guys change almost instantly right when they become a champ. Merab suddenly was uninterested in fighting Umar. too bad to see himself couldn't defend a title at least once.

Is he really ducking Umar? I thought he acknowledged in one of the post-fight interviews that Umar could be next. I might be wrong on this one though.


There are some news about Sean O'Malley. Apparently he'll be taking a bit of a break, even up to a year, due to his hip surgery scheduled for October.
He does not use the bad hip as an excuse for a loss though.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 19, 2024, 07:01:16 PM
Still over a week to go, but what are your picks for the next UFC Gight Night main event, Moicano Vs Saint Denis?
They're ranked 11th and 12th respectively, Saint Denis is coming off a loss to Poirier, while Moicano is on a 3-win streak. But it's Saint Denis who's a big favourite here, with odds of x1.36.
French man's record looks pretty impressive with 1 loss and 13 wins (9 by submission and 4 by KO) but he doesn't have any big names in his portfolio. The only one, Dustin, knocked him out cold.

Do you guys think Renato has what it takes to defeat the French boogeyman?
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 19, 2024, 08:22:43 PM
Still over a week to go, but what are your picks for the next UFC Gight Night main event, Moicano Vs Saint Denis?
They're ranked 11th and 12th respectively, Saint Denis is coming off a loss to Poirier, while Moicano is on a 3-win streak. But it's Saint Denis who's a big favourite here, with odds of x1.36.
French man's record looks pretty impressive with 1 loss and 13 wins (9 by submission and 4 by KO) but he doesn't have any big names in his portfolio. The only one, Dustin, knocked him out cold.

Do you guys think Renato has what it takes to defeat the French boogeyman?

not a fan of both but maybe this is a very fair fight since Saint Denis gassed out too quickly in his fight against Dustin. and Saint Denis fighting an old grappler would be fair fight as this grappling fight usually drains their tank and whoever has the better attrition that night wins it all.

as date is approaching more youtubers are going to try capping this match. i would probably rely on the bet pickers and see who they bet on and compare their reasons before betting on the day of  face off.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on September 19, 2024, 11:37:41 PM
I guess we can assume that Sean's team had the wrong game plan. I think they were expecting Merab to go for take downs immediately as the fight started and prepared to counter. That didn't happen and that might have threw Sean of his game. If he had been the aggressor from the early rounds, the result would have been different.
I don't know. To me it looked like Sean wasn't quite himself.
That could be due to him just failing to prepare at 100% or to Merab being successful in neutralising Sean's strengths.
I don't think Dvalishvili surprised anyone with his tactic, he fought the way he always does.
i'm sure Sean was surprised that Merab keeping the distance but at the same time get closer to take him down. if Merab can do this to Suga and dominates the fight, he can do this to all strikers he could fight and will still have the same success.

Yeah, it was probably Merab's pacing that made the big difference in the early rounds. Sean couldn't figure him out or what he's gonna do until the later rounds.

Merab however seem like ducking Umar according to some articles in my feed. funny how these guys change almost instantly right when they become a champ. Merab suddenly was uninterested in fighting Umar. too bad to see himself couldn't defend a title at least once.
This is not just the fight game anymore. Everybody wants to leverage their belt to gain more favor/advantage and, more importantly, money. They want to reap the benefits because they also understand that they wouldn't stay as champion for long.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 19, 2024, 11:57:00 PM
This is not just the fight game anymore. Everybody wants to leverage their belt to gain more favor/advantage and, more importantly, money. They want to reap the benefits because they also understand that they wouldn't stay as champion for long.

Can't really blame them, there are thousands of aspiring MMA fighters but only a handful makes it to the top. So those who do want to make the best out of it and make sure to earn enough to live comfortably in the future.


In other news, Sean O'Malley re-watched the fight and declared himself a winner, saying he had won rounds 1, 3 and 5.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 26, 2024, 08:22:07 PM
This is not just the fight game anymore. Everybody wants to leverage their belt to gain more favor/advantage and, more importantly, money. They want to reap the benefits because they also understand that they wouldn't stay as champion for long.

Can't really blame them, there are thousands of aspiring MMA fighters but only a handful makes it to the top. So those who do want to make the best out of it and make sure to earn enough to live comfortably in the future.


In other news, Sean O'Malley re-watched the fight and declared himself a winner, saying he had won rounds 1, 3 and 5.

people will understand it if he got injured in the cage like his fight with Vera but with Merab where he just receive knees and does nothing but sit and wait for the bell to ring.


(https://i.imgur.com/AfISiVC.jpeg)

Lightweight   Renato Moicano   vs.   Benoît Saint Denis            
Middleweight   Nassourdine Imavov   vs.   Brendan Allen            
Featherweight   William Gomis   vs.   Joanderson Brito            
Welterweight   Kevin Jousset   vs.   Bryan Battle            
Featherweight   Morgan Charrière   vs.   Gabriel Miranda            
Lightweight   Farès Ziam   vs.   Matt Frevola            
Preliminary card (ESPN+)
Light Heavyweight   Ion Cuțelaba   vs.   Ivan Erslan            
Light Heavyweight   Oumar Sy   vs.   Jung Da-woon            
Lightweight   Ľudovít Klein   vs.   Roosevelt Roberts            
Bantamweight   Taylor Lapilus   vs.   Vince Morales            
Women's Bantamweight   Daria Zheleznyakova   vs.   Ailín Pérez            
Flyweight   Daniel Barez   vs.   Victor Altamirano            
Women's Bantamweight   Nora Cornolle   vs.   Jacqueline Cavalcanti            
Lightweight   Bolaji Oki   vs.   Chris Duncan   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Moicano_vs._Saint_Denis

lots of good fights to analyze in this cards but the main event and and co are the only match that i may just be betting on. can't be making a parlay but these two will be make the saturday meaningful

 Benoît Saint Denis            
 Nassourdine Imavov   
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 26, 2024, 11:12:27 PM
Somehow I missed the UFC 309 announcement.
Everything has been said about Jones Vs Stipe, so nothing to add here, bur Oliveira Vs Chandler looks like a decent match-up and has a lot of entertainment potential.
Odds: Oliveira: x1.38, Chandler: x3.05, pretty much what I would expect. I don't give Chandler much chance, even in his prime he wouldn't be on Chales' level, but he's 38 now and last fought two years ago. He should still be able to put up a good show.

Bo Nickal got paired up with Paul Craig. It doesn't look like a massive challenge for Bo, Paul has lost 4 out of his last 5 fights, but at least he knows his ground game, 76% of his wins were by submission (he's 17-8). Bookies don't have much faith in Paul though. He's x6.75 and Bo is x1.11.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 27, 2024, 08:42:36 PM
Somehow I missed the UFC 309 announcement.
Everything has been said about Jones Vs Stipe, so nothing to add here, bur Oliveira Vs Chandler looks like a decent match-up and has a lot of entertainment potential.
Odds: Oliveira: x1.38, Chandler: x3.05, pretty much what I would expect. I don't give Chandler much chance, even in his prime he wouldn't be on Chales' level, but he's 38 now and last fought two years ago. He should still be able to put up a good show.

Bo Nickal got paired up with Paul Craig. It doesn't look like a massive challenge for Bo, Paul has lost 4 out of his last 5 fights, but at least he knows his ground game, 76% of his wins were by submission (he's 17-8). Bookies don't have much faith in Paul though. He's x6.75 and Bo is x1.11.

would Jones fight Tom if in the last minute Stipe is not available to fight? the question came up during the interview with Smith by Bisping. Smith said no.  ;D

Oliveira vs Chandler is gonna be a good fight. they did it once and Chandler lost the fight in a terrible way that made Oliveira the champ. i think that was a several defense fight of Chandler. if Chandler performs the same way in the first encounter, Chandler might win this time. idk why Chandler got this fight still but don't deserve this fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on September 29, 2024, 11:27:26 AM
Full set of results of last night's Fight Night in Paris:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/29/iuSpG.png)

Fantastic performance by Moicano - despite being a big underdog, he beat up Saint Denis (in front of French audience) in the first 2 rounds so badly that the doctor had to stop it. Then he lectured everyone about why Macron and French government sucks and why democracy is flawed to top it up by calling out "easy money fights" with Paddy Pimblett and Dan Hooker. This is a textbook example of how to hype yourself up properly—well done to him.

would Jones fight Tom if in the last minute Stipe is not available to fight? the question came up during the interview with Smith by Bisping. Smith said no.  ;D

That's a good question. Jones sure as hell doesn't want to fight Tom, and he mentioned that he needs a lot of time to prepare for each opponent, but what would he do in such scenario? Fake an injury? Straight up refuse to fight? I'm sure the back-up fight with Tom is included in the contract.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on September 29, 2024, 08:25:26 PM
Full set of results of last night's Fight Night in Paris:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/29/iuSpG.png)

Fantastic performance by Moicano - despite being a big underdog, he beat up Saint Denis (in front of French audience) in the first 2 rounds so badly that the doctor had to stop it. Then he lectured everyone about why Macron and French government sucks and why democracy is flawed to top it up by calling out "easy money fights" with Paddy Pimblett and Dan Hooker. This is a textbook example of how to hype yourself up properly—well done to him.

would Jones fight Tom if in the last minute Stipe is not available to fight? the question came up during the interview with Smith by Bisping. Smith said no.  ;D

That's a good question. Jones sure as hell doesn't want to fight Tom, and he mentioned that he needs a lot of time to prepare for each opponent, but what would he do in such scenario? Fake an injury? Straight up refuse to fight? I'm sure the back-up fight with Tom is included in the contract.

the heck with Moicano saying that to Macron in his country? lol hope he got out alive and not detained again for their pee. but yeep he definitely destroyed the face of BSD. i thought Benoit would  actually pressure Moicano since he seem to be the more aggressive between the two.

Jones vs Stipe can be a set up for Jones if Tom is the back up fighter in case Stipe won't show up. i think this is the only way for Jones to simply stand up to defend his belt against the interim champ.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 02, 2024, 12:12:11 AM
So Moicanno called out Paddy Pimblett, who publicly agreed to fight him:
https://x.com/PaddyTheBaddy/status/1788929833877057968

That, of course, doesn't mean much, as matchmaking will be done by the UFC, but that's a fight I wouldn't mind watching and I think it makes sense. Both of them have a lot of other options right now though.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 02, 2024, 09:47:34 PM
So Moicanno called out Paddy Pimblett, who publicly agreed to fight him:
https://x.com/PaddyTheBaddy/status/1788929833877057968

That, of course, doesn't mean much, as matchmaking will be done by the UFC, but that's a fight I wouldn't mind watching and I think it makes sense. Both of them have a lot of other options right now though.

Moicano was the one complaining UFC been suppressing his rank down despite him winning lots of fights before Saint Denise. where does it put him if he loses against Paddy who is in the 15th position in the rank while Moicano is in the 11th?

if he wants to rank high, he should be aiming to fight Gamrot or Fiziev, their rank is questionable which i think the UFC match maker can agree. and I think Dana will also not allow Paddy to fight someone who could potentially kill his career. Paddy sells more in UFC London, this kid is Dana's pet.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 04, 2024, 12:06:54 AM
Moicano was the one complaining UFC been suppressing his rank down despite him winning lots of fights before Saint Denise. where does it put him if he loses against Paddy who is in the 15th position in the rank while Moicano is in the 11th?

He would still be in the top 15 but his wallet would be much thicker  ;D
Participating in heavily hyped-up fight and getting more fame could be worth dropping few places in the ranks. It's not like he has a shot for the belt from where he is right now.


Here are the current odds for each fight of the UFC 307 (as per Duelbits):

Alex Pereira x1.20 Vs Khalil Rountree x4.50
Raquel Pennington x1.60 Vs Juliana Peña x2.33
Jose Aldo x2.16 Vs Mario Bautista x1.69
Ketlen Vieira x7.50 Vs Kayla Harrison x1.08
Roman Dolidze x2.22 Vs Kevin Holland x1.66
Stephen Thompson x2.75 Vs Joaquin Buckley x1.45
Marina Rodriguez x2.54 Vs Jasmin Lucindo x1.52
Austin Hubbard x2.33 Vs Alexander Hernandez x1.61
Cesar Almeida x1.26 Vs Igor Potieria x3.80
Ryan Spann x1.37 Vs Ovince Saint Preux x3.10
Carla Esparza x2.42 Vs Tecia Torres x1.57
Court McGee x2.62 Vs Tim Means x1.50

I think the odds for Rountree look pretty good, but maybe I'm overestimating his striking skills. I haven't seen that many of his fights and know him mostly from fight highlights, which can give a distorted picture.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on October 04, 2024, 02:31:05 PM
Moicano was the one complaining UFC been suppressing his rank down despite him winning lots of fights before Saint Denise. where does it put him if he loses against Paddy who is in the 15th position in the rank while Moicano is in the 11th?
He would still be in the top 15 but his wallet would be much thicker  ;D
Participating in heavily hyped-up fight and getting more fame could be worth dropping few places in the ranks. It's not like he has a shot for the belt from where he is right now.
Yeah, if he thinks it's easy money, then forget about the rankings for now. The video acceptance was already months old and I guess it's the right time for UFC to act. Dana might actually favor this too because he's been trying to build up Paddy as well.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 04, 2024, 08:43:52 PM
Moicano was the one complaining UFC been suppressing his rank down despite him winning lots of fights before Saint Denise. where does it put him if he loses against Paddy who is in the 15th position in the rank while Moicano is in the 11th?

He would still be in the top 15 but his wallet would be much thicker  ;D
Participating in heavily hyped-up fight and getting more fame could be worth dropping few places in the ranks. It's not like he has a shot for the belt from where he is right now.


Here are the current odds for each fight of the UFC 307 (as per Duelbits):

Alex Pereira x1.20 Vs Khalil Rountree x4.50
Raquel Pennington x1.60 Vs Juliana Peña x2.33
Jose Aldo x2.16 Vs Mario Bautista x1.69
Ketlen Vieira x7.50 Vs Kayla Harrison x1.08
Roman Dolidze x2.22 Vs Kevin Holland x1.66
Stephen Thompson x2.75 Vs Joaquin Buckley x1.45
Marina Rodriguez x2.54 Vs Jasmin Lucindo x1.52
Austin Hubbard x2.33 Vs Alexander Hernandez x1.61
Cesar Almeida x1.26 Vs Igor Potieria x3.80
Ryan Spann x1.37 Vs Ovince Saint Preux x3.10
Carla Esparza x2.42 Vs Tecia Torres x1.57
Court McGee x2.62 Vs Tim Means x1.50

I think the odds for Rountree look pretty good, but maybe I'm overestimating his striking skills. I haven't seen that many of his fights and know him mostly from fight highlights, which can give a distorted picture.

hes the underdog. if he won you sure can get a big payday for it. Rountree has a long winning streak, its possible still despite the size and the odds. if izzy did it, he could do something like that as well. but its somewhat david and goliath fight. i couldn't see him winning in a striker vs striker.

the odds alone can be demoralizing for Rountree lol
Pereira, Alex By KO 1.31
Pereira, Alex R1 KO 2.90 seem worth it.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 05, 2024, 12:09:30 AM
Yeah, if he thinks it's easy money, then forget about the rankings for now. The video acceptance was already months old and I guess it's the right time for UFC to act. Dana might actually favor this too because he's been trying to build up Paddy as well.

The more I think about that, the better I like the idea of Paddy Vs Renato. However, if the UFC wanted to further build Paddy up, there are better options for him with easier opponents who are ranked higher than Renato, e.g. Beneil Dariush.

hes the underdog. if he won you sure can get a big payday for it. Rountree has a long winning streak, its possible still despite the size and the odds. if izzy did it, he could do something like that as well. but its somewhat david and goliath fight. i couldn't see him winning in a striker vs striker.

The size difference could play a big role here. I've just seen the face-off. Pereira looked MUCH bigger than Rountree. For a purely striking match, that's a big advantage.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 05, 2024, 09:49:52 PM

no one explained why they match Rountree against Pereira when he is really much of an underdog but also ranks behind the top fighters who he haven't fought. but one reason they see is that Pereira could be defeated if a top fighter will try taking him down.

Pereira got the obvious Dana privilege where he isn't matched to a wrestler yet of if he is, there is a clause there will be no taking down. of course this is just rumors they are saying, it could be true or not. but if Roundtree tries to take Pereira down this time, i'm sure Pereira will have  hard time.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 06, 2024, 12:05:36 AM

no one explained why they match Rountree against Pereira when he is really much of an underdog but also ranks behind the top fighters who he haven't fought. but one reason they see is that Pereira could be defeated if a top fighter will try taking him down.

Pereira got the obvious Dana privilege where he isn't matched to a wrestler yet of if he is, there is a clause there will be no taking down. of course this is just rumors they are saying, it could be true or not. but if Roundtree tries to take Pereira down this time, i'm sure Pereira will have  hard time.

A possible argument for that fight is that Rountree is on 5-long winning streak, 4 of which were by TKO, and he's ranked in the top 10 (currently 8th) so it's not that unusual, we've seen similar things happening previously.
But we all know that Pereira should be fighting Ankalaev instead, but there's a big risk that Ankalaev could derail Pereira's hype train, so the UFC is delaying that fight.
I don't recall Ankalaev publicly complaining about it too much, so it's possible he got a good money to fight Rakic and was promised the fight for the title next.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on October 06, 2024, 03:24:06 PM
Rountree gassing up in round three? He won the first two rounds on all judges scorecards but I guess he could not sustain it. He was just swinging for the fences in round four. Credit also to Pereira's toughness because he ate some really big shots. I don't know how he's still able to remain standing after the head kick.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 06, 2024, 09:45:53 PM

^ i think it was in the last minute of R2 where Rountree threw the head kick. turns out to be aggressive even when he was just waiting for Alex to throw but he always counter making Alex backaway.


no one explained why they match Rountree against Pereira when he is really much of an underdog but also ranks behind the top fighters who he haven't fought. but one reason they see is that Pereira could be defeated if a top fighter will try taking him down.

Pereira got the obvious Dana privilege where he isn't matched to a wrestler yet of if he is, there is a clause there will be no taking down. of course this is just rumors they are saying, it could be true or not. but if Roundtree tries to take Pereira down this time, i'm sure Pereira will have  hard time.

A possible argument for that fight is that Rountree is on 5-long winning streak, 4 of which were by TKO, and he's ranked in the top 10 (currently 8th) so it's not that unusual, we've seen similar things happening previously.
But we all know that Pereira should be fighting Ankalaev instead, but there's a big risk that Ankalaev could derail Pereira's hype train, so the UFC is delaying that fight.
I don't recall Ankalaev publicly complaining about it too much, so it's possible he got a good money to fight Rakic and was promised the fight for the title next.

maybe. Anka use to troll Alex and UFC to book him against Alex. he even promised not to take down just so they can agree for their fight. instead Dana Anka booked against Rakic.  if he is paid well and he isn't complaining i guess that's just how could see it.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 06, 2024, 11:01:05 PM
Rountree gassing up in round three? He won the first two rounds on all judges scorecards but I guess he could not sustain it. He was just swinging for the fences in round four. Credit also to Pereira's toughness because he ate some really big shots. I don't know how he's still able to remain standing after the head kick.

Yup, Rountree did pretty well in the first 3 rounds, he was countering every Pereira's attack and landed a few good shots, but still not powerful enough to put Alex down.
Thanks to patience and tactical discipline, Alex waited Khalil out and absolutely destroyed him in round 4. It was painful to watch. But still, Rountree survived much longer than Pereira's other opponents, I wonder how he would perform against say Prochazka or Jamahal Hill.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: LogitechMouse on October 07, 2024, 01:07:05 AM
Rountree gassing up in round three? He won the first two rounds on all judges scorecards but I guess he could not sustain it. He was just swinging for the fences in round four. Credit also to Pereira's toughness because he ate some really big shots. I don't know how he's still able to remain standing after the head kick.
A huge respect for Rountree for lasting 4 rounds against that big of a guy.
I mean I really expect that this would be a one-sided fight, but it wasn't. Pereira's punches is getting Rountree especially in Round 3 where he started to gassed out, and got finally demolished in the 4th. Pereira is patient enough to have the perfect opportunity to destroy him, and knowing how powerful his punches were, he knows that he's getting him.

He did it in a slowly but surely manner but nevertheless, he got the job done. Pereira might've won the game which is for me expected, but Rountree got my respect and with this, I want to have a rematch between the two of them, but it seems like he needs to climb his way up again. Good game for both fighters.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 12, 2024, 12:15:18 PM
Odds for all fights of tonight's event (from DuelBits):

Clayton Carpenter x1.44 Vs Lucas Rocha x2.80
Daniel Argueta x2.42 Vs Cody Haddon x1.57
Junior Tafa x1.30 Vs Sean Sharaf x3.60
Julia Polastri x1.77 Vs Cory Mckenna x2.05
Themba Gorimbo x1.27 Vs Niko Price x3.75
Jonathan Pearce x1.53 Vs Pat Sabatini x2.50
Carlos Vergara x3.60 Vs Ramazan Temirov x1.30
Daniel Rodriguez x1.46 Vs Alex Morono x2.75
Grant Dawson x1.25 Vs Rafa Garcia x4.00
Chidi Njokuani x1.58 Vs Jared Gooden x2.37
Brad Tavares x2.60 Vs Jung Yong Park x1.50
Brandon Royval x3.33 Vs Tatsuro Taira x1.33

Not going to lie, I don't have a clue who most of those guys are.
Odds for Royval looked kind of attractive, Taira is very young (only 24) and is 16-0 with most wins by submission, but he hasn't fought that many guys from the top yet, and Royval won't be easy to submit. In fact, Royval has a similar submission rate and overall, has more submission wins than Taira (9 Vs 7).
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 12, 2024, 08:03:51 PM
Odds for all fights of tonight's event (from DuelBits):

Clayton Carpenter x1.44 Vs Lucas Rocha x2.80
Daniel Argueta x2.42 Vs Cody Haddon x1.57
Junior Tafa x1.30 Vs Sean Sharaf x3.60
Julia Polastri x1.77 Vs Cory Mckenna x2.05
Themba Gorimbo x1.27 Vs Niko Price x3.75
Jonathan Pearce x1.53 Vs Pat Sabatini x2.50
Carlos Vergara x3.60 Vs Ramazan Temirov x1.30
Daniel Rodriguez x1.46 Vs Alex Morono x2.75
Grant Dawson x1.25 Vs Rafa Garcia x4.00
Chidi Njokuani x1.58 Vs Jared Gooden x2.37
Brad Tavares x2.60 Vs Jung Yong Park x1.50
Brandon Royval x3.33 Vs Tatsuro Taira x1.33

Not going to lie, I don't have a clue who most of those guys are.
Odds for Royval looked kind of attractive, Taira is very young (only 24) and is 16-0 with most wins by submission, but he hasn't fought that many guys from the top yet, and Royval won't be easy to submit. In fact, Royval has a similar submission rate and overall, has more submission wins than Taira (9 Vs 7).

Royval is sure the more experienced fighter. and Tatsuro looks like a kid who just missed his bus.  Tatsuro however is very aggressive in his approach just like how he did it with Perez so if Royval expects Tatsuro to back way every time he attempts, its going to backfire since when he sees a counter attack instead.

with just 6 fights in UFC. Tatsuro i could say is tougher than they think.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 13, 2024, 10:13:39 AM
Full set of result from last night:

Main card:
Flyweight: Brandon Royval def. Tatsuro Taira, Decision (split), Round 5, Time 5:00
Middleweight: Park Jun-yong def. Brad Tavares, Decision (split), Round 3, Time 5:00
Catchweight (172.5 lb): Chidi Njokuani def. Jared Gooden, Decision (unanimous), Round 3, Time 5:00
Lightweight: Grant Dawson def. Rafa García, TKO (elbows and punches), Round 2, Time 1:42
Welterweight: Daniel Rodriguez def. Alex Morono, Decision (split), Round 3, Time 5:00

Preliminary card:
Flyweight: Ramazan Temirov def. C.J. Vergara, TKO (punches), Round 1, Time 2:50
Featherweight: Pat Sabatini def. Jonathan Pearce, Submission (rear-naked choke), Round 1, Time 4:06
Welterweight: Themba Gorimbo def. Niko Price, Decision (unanimous), Round 3, Time 5:00
Heavyweight: Junior Tafa def. Sean Sharaf, TKO (punches), Round 2, Time 2:15
Women's Strawweight: Julia Polastri def. Cory McKenna, Decision (split), Round 3, Time 5:00
Catchweight (138.5 lb): Cody Haddon def. Daniel Argueta, Decision (unanimous), Round 3, Time 5:00
Flyweight: Clayton Carpenter def. Lucas Rocha, Technical Submission (rear-naked choke), Round 2, Time 2:12

The main event was a decent fight, both of them had their moments but the judges decided in Royval's favour with a split decision. That's a first loss in Taira's record, but it shouldn't impact his position in the ranking.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 13, 2024, 09:42:49 PM
The main event was a decent fight, both of them had their moments but the judges decided in Royval's favour with a split decision. That's a first loss in Taira's record, but it shouldn't impact his position in the ranking.

not sure how they scored the fight. takedowns use to be a big score since the fighter has the control over the opponent and Taira did it all i think up to 4th rounds. it could have been a decision in favor of Taira but they gave it to Royval.

i have seen grapplers do it easily when on the back of another fighter just trying rare naked choke and do another when its not possible. Taira isn't doing it either which it felt like its a fix match or Royval is really that hard to submit despite easily being taken down.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on October 13, 2024, 11:02:54 PM
The main event was a decent fight, both of them had their moments but the judges decided in Royval's favour with a split decision. That's a first loss in Taira's record, but it shouldn't impact his position in the ranking.
not sure how they scored the fight. takedowns use to be a big score since the fighter has the control over the opponent and Taira did it all i think up to 4th rounds. it could have been a decision in favor of Taira but they gave it to Royval.

i have seen grapplers do it easily when on the back of another fighter just trying rare naked choke and do another when its not possible. Taira isn't doing it either which it felt like its a fix match or Royval is really that hard to submit despite easily being taken down.
I think the days of pinning someone down but doing too little to damage or attempt to submit are long gone. Those were pretty much an effective method in the earlier days but it became boring to watch. Anyway, this is why fighters are told not to put the result in the judges' hands because it's still unpredictable.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 13, 2024, 11:30:15 PM
The UFC 310 has been announced and it's looking good:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2024/10/12/dana-white-announces-huge-ufc-310-ppv-card-with-2-championship-fights/

Main event: Belal Muhammad Vs. Shavkat Rakhmonov
Co-main: Alexandre Pantoja Vs. Kai Asakura (this will be his UFC debut)
The rest of the main card:

Ciryl Gane   Vs. Alexander Volkov            
Movsar Evloev Vs. Aljamain Sterling            
Anthony Smith Vs. Dominick Reyes
Nick Diaz Vs. Vicente Luque

So looks like Shavkat is finally getting his title shot and won't be fighting Leon Edwards as some expected. The odds are not yet in but I'm sure he'll be the favourite.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on October 14, 2024, 12:58:54 PM
Honestly, I didn't expect Belal to defend his title this soon. After all, it took him like forever to get a shot at it and he's willing to risk losing it just after a few months. Almost every fighter in the division is probably afraid of facing Shavkat and he has a record to prove why.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Themepen on October 14, 2024, 01:14:45 PM
The UFC 310 has been announced and it's looking good:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2024/10/12/dana-white-announces-huge-ufc-310-ppv-card-with-2-championship-fights/

Main event: Belal Muhammad Vs. Shavkat Rakhmonov
Co-main: Alexandre Pantoja Vs. Kai Asakura (this will be his UFC debut)
The rest of the main card:

Ciryl Gane   Vs. Alexander Volkov            
Movsar Evloev Vs. Aljamain Sterling            
Anthony Smith Vs. Dominick Reyes
Nick Diaz Vs. Vicente Luque

So looks like Shavkat is finally getting his title shot and won't be fighting Leon Edwards as some expected. The odds are not yet in but I'm sure he'll be the favourite.
UFC 310 fight card looks great led by Belal Muhammad vs Shavkat Rakhmonov for championship title. Rakhmonov deserves this chance after beating his previous opponents easily. I think he will be favored to win because of his excellent wrestling skills and constant attacks. Next biggest fight Pantoja vs Asakura features talented fighters. Other exciting matchups like Gane vs Volkov and Evloev vs Sterling make event even better.

Also Nick Diaz comeback against Vicente Luque is generating interest. Overall UFC 310 promises thrilling fights and important moments for fighters careers. Rakhmonov wants to win title and Muhammad experience makes their fight compelling. Other fights give fighters chances to show their skills.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 14, 2024, 08:18:27 PM
Honestly, I didn't expect Belal to defend his title this soon. After all, it took him like forever to get a shot at it and he's willing to risk losing it just after a few months. Almost every fighter in the division is probably afraid of facing Shavkat and he has a record to prove why.

poor Belal. his reign cut short. its his first defense fight yet it seem destined to already lose this belt. Rakhmonov is one heck of  fighter that can lift Belal slam down wherever he may want. UFFC 310 looks star studded and they have 2 HW to make sure we can witness a traumatic KO. what is interesting is Nick Diaz fighting once gain. i'm not sure if they could bring people in the arena but seem like the fight has no value to add in this event. 

Meanwhile, its Topuria's time to show he could defeat Holloway. UFC 308 is also a jam pack fight
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Post by: pawel7777 on October 15, 2024, 11:07:43 PM
OK guys, are we seriously not going to talk about the proposed 4-man BMF tournament? I don't think so.
Long story short, Dustin Poirier, who is looking for something spectacular before announcing his retirement, suggested a 4-man tournament for the BMF belt on the line, consisting of himself, Justn Gaethje, Max Holloway and Dan Hooker. That means the winner will have to fight 2 fights in one night.
When asked by a reporter, Dana said the idea "sounds fun". Whether he actually will go with it - I don't know, but I think there's a chance as people are craving for something new and exciting.

The concept of fighting tournaments where fighters fight multiple times in one night is not new, it was a popular format used e.g. by K1/Pride FC back in the day.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2024/10/dana-white-reacts-dustin-poirier-bmf-tournament-idea

Thoughts? Is this something you would like to see?
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 16, 2024, 08:40:15 PM
OK guys, are we seriously not going to talk about the proposed 4-man BMF tournament? I don't think so.
Long story short, Dustin Poirier, who is looking for something spectacular before announcing his retirement, suggested a 4-man tournament for the BMF belt on the line, consisting of himself, Justn Gaethje, Max Holloway and Dan Hooker. That means the winner will have to fight 2 fights in one night.
When asked by a reporter, Dana said the idea "sounds fun". Whether he actually will go with it - I don't know, but I think there's a chance as people are craving for something new and exciting.

The concept of fighting tournaments where fighters fight multiple times in one night is not new, it was a popular format used e.g. by K1/Pride FC back in the day.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2024/10/dana-white-reacts-dustin-poirier-bmf-tournament-idea

Thoughts? Is this something you would like to see?

Dana may have said that but he doesn't really mean it. he is still thinking of how he could make money out of it. putting all these 4 BMF in one cage and rumble together would be fun but seem very unfair i think.

round robin would be a better option but this will postponed many UFC events.  close to a year i guess will have to be put on this event. i say let it be handled by the Saudi guy Turki Alalshikh.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 16, 2024, 10:46:55 PM
Dana may have said that but he doesn't really mean it. he is still thinking of how he could make money out of it. putting all these 4 BMF in one cage and rumble together would be fun but seem very unfair i think.

I think he will probably give it a fair consideration, especially if Poirier refuses any other fight (which he might). The major thing that would get in the way is that Max Holloway is too hot and precious for the UFC to risk him in the tournament. And he's holding the BMF belt, so it can't be done without him.
But maybe if Max loses to Topuria, and if the money is right, he could go for it.
I would really like to see it happening.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 17, 2024, 01:48:22 PM
Some news about McGregor - he allegedly announced his return on 1 Feb 2025 naming Dan Hooker as his rival, but Dan denies that saying he's not available to fight in February, due to his wife expecting to give birth around that time. So it looks like Conor is just making stuff up just to slow the pace his hype is dying out.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/31119580/conor-mcgregor-next-fight-date-dan-hooker-ufc-news/
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 17, 2024, 10:54:55 PM
Dana may have said that but he doesn't really mean it. he is still thinking of how he could make money out of it. putting all these 4 BMF in one cage and rumble together would be fun but seem very unfair i think.

I think he will probably give it a fair consideration, especially if Poirier refuses any other fight (which he might). The major thing that would get in the way is that Max Holloway is too hot and precious for the UFC to risk him in the tournament. And he's holding the BMF belt, so it can't be done without him.
But maybe if Max loses to Topuria, and if the money is right, he could go for it.
I would really like to see it happening.

Max still is a BMF holder even if he loses against Topuria. a few rules for this BMF tournament and make it like a reality TV apart from that contender series i think the UFC fans will relight its interest in watching TV once again.

just like McGegor, Dana would love all these he always wants to be in the limelight all the time. it will be one of the best suggestion in UFC BMF belt, just a little importance of this belt i guess and make it like its worth.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 18, 2024, 10:42:21 PM
The UFC 312 is confirmed to take place in Sydney in February. The cards are not yet known but Alex Volkanovski said he will likely be there and that he was promised a title shot, or even an interim title fight if the winner of Topuria/Holloway decides to move up.

https://bloodyelbow.com/2024/10/17/alexander-volkanovski-confirms-plan-to-fight-on-newly-announced-ufc-312-card-in-australia-suggests-interim-title-clash-with-diego-lopes/

We might also see Whittaker going against Du Plessis again, provided he wins with Khamzat, which he won't.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 18, 2024, 11:19:30 PM
The UFC 312 is confirmed to take place in Sydney in February. The cards are not yet known but Alex Volkanovski said he will likely be there and that he was promised a title shot, or even an interim title fight if the winner of Topuria/Holloway decides to move up.

https://bloodyelbow.com/2024/10/17/alexander-volkanovski-confirms-plan-to-fight-on-newly-announced-ufc-312-card-in-australia-suggests-interim-title-clash-with-diego-lopes/

We might also see Whittaker going against Du Plessis again, provided he wins with Khamzat, which he won't.

hard to see Whittaker win against Khamzat. unless backs out again then Whit can fight in AU but there are other big names that should come up such as Izzy and Strickland. the usual names in there like Tuivasa, from a country nearby.

but lets say Whittaker pulls it off against Khamzat, it will be a good show for Whittaker in AU while DDP the African Champ visits Izzy's country lol the press conference is a must watch.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 20, 2024, 12:21:44 AM
hard to see Whittaker win against Khamzat.(...)

There are many opinions that Khamzat will gas out quickly and is not prepared for the 5 round and that he has never fought anyone at the level of Whittaker. I disagree, I think Khamzat is better in every aspect, be it striking or grappling. Probably he's cardio is better too, he was just going all out and wasn't saving any energy (i.e. in the Gilbert Burns fight).

If Whittaker loses, he'll probably still get a spot in the UFC 312 but obviously won't be fighting for the belt.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: enwi on October 22, 2024, 08:04:28 PM
hard to see Whittaker win against Khamzat.(...)

There are many opinions that Khamzat will gas out quickly and is not prepared for the 5 round and that he has never fought anyone at the level of Whittaker. I disagree, I think Khamzat is better in every aspect, be it striking or grappling. Probably he's cardio is better too, he was just going all out and wasn't saving any energy (i.e. in the Gilbert Burns fight).

If Whittaker loses, he'll probably still get a spot in the UFC 312 but obviously won't be fighting for the belt.
Maybe there are times where Khamzat Chimaev will fade in the later rounds or might not be prepared for a five round fight, but as much as he brings that energy from the start it solidifies he has great striking and grappling skills. Khamzat is not going to back down and lay and brawl which has been seen even though his fights do not always last the distance. His bout with Gilbert Burns undoubtedly proved his resilience on his right and left as an offense. Even though Robert Whittaker is an experienced fighter with superior technique, that fight will be a challenge to both of them. If Whittaker wins, he may become a two-time champion and a stronger contender for the title Regardless, a loss would almost definitely make it harder for him to get another shot at the championship.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 22, 2024, 09:30:48 PM
hard to see Whittaker win against Khamzat.(...)

There are many opinions that Khamzat will gas out quickly and is not prepared for the 5 round and that he has never fought anyone at the level of Whittaker. I disagree, I think Khamzat is better in every aspect, be it striking or grappling. Probably he's cardio is better too, he was just going all out and wasn't saving any energy (i.e. in the Gilbert Burns fight).

If Whittaker loses, he'll probably still get a spot in the UFC 312 but obviously won't be fighting for the belt.
Maybe there are times where Khamzat Chimaev will fade in the later rounds or might not be prepared for a five round fight, but as much as he brings that energy from the start it solidifies he has great striking and grappling skills. Khamzat is not going to back down and lay and brawl which has been seen even though his fights do not always last the distance. His bout with Gilbert Burns undoubtedly proved his resilience on his right and left as an offense. Even though Robert Whittaker is an experienced fighter with superior technique, that fight will be a challenge to both of them. If Whittaker wins, he may become a two-time champion and a stronger contender for the title Regardless, a loss would almost definitely make it harder for him to get another shot at the championship.

Whittaker not getting another title shot is likely what will happen since Khamzat is one heck of a fighter but we'll see what will happen since he hasn't fought for awhile which it could be his first loss. we'll see what the odds will be when its listed on the bookies but the date is too far yet. Khamzat vs Burns had exposed Khamzat for having no gas to last but he still won that fight.

meanwhile Topuria vs Holloway will be next week's event. this one is a tough one, though i wanted to root for Topuria being the Spaniards fan but i'm holloway fan.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on October 22, 2024, 11:16:55 PM
OK guys, are we seriously not going to talk about the proposed 4-man BMF tournament? I don't think so.
Long story short, Dustin Poirier, who is looking for something spectacular before announcing his retirement, suggested a 4-man tournament for the BMF belt on the line, consisting of himself, Justn Gaethje, Max Holloway and Dan Hooker. That means the winner will have to fight 2 fights in one night.
When asked by a reporter, Dana said the idea "sounds fun". Whether he actually will go with it - I don't know, but I think there's a chance as people are craving for something new and exciting.

The concept of fighting tournaments where fighters fight multiple times in one night is not new, it was a popular format used e.g. by K1/Pride FC back in the day.
Multiple fight in one night was also the format in the early days of the UFC when there were no rules and no weight division.

As to the BMF, it does look fun but I think this is more advantageous to Max. It might also need it's own Fight Night because the draw is more than enough to be the main event.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 23, 2024, 07:40:17 PM
OK guys, are we seriously not going to talk about the proposed 4-man BMF tournament? I don't think so.
Long story short, Dustin Poirier, who is looking for something spectacular before announcing his retirement, suggested a 4-man tournament for the BMF belt on the line, consisting of himself, Justn Gaethje, Max Holloway and Dan Hooker. That means the winner will have to fight 2 fights in one night.
When asked by a reporter, Dana said the idea "sounds fun". Whether he actually will go with it - I don't know, but I think there's a chance as people are craving for something new and exciting.

The concept of fighting tournaments where fighters fight multiple times in one night is not new, it was a popular format used e.g. by K1/Pride FC back in the day.
Multiple fight in one night was also the format in the early days of the UFC when there were no rules and no weight division.

As to the BMF, it does look fun but I think this is more advantageous to Max. It might also need it's own Fight Night because the draw is more than enough to be the main event.

unusual suggestion really but Dustin is like someone who gets to party all night, gets wasted and sleep for just an hour and ready to start a running marathon the next morning. maybe he can really pull this of and restart his career again.  he knows there is nothing left for him even i he moves up his weight class.

but yep its an exciting tournament to see. all BMFs just proving to be mudafvkers within a day. i wonder how much should the ticket be as this is gonna be one of the most extreme day.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on October 23, 2024, 11:59:27 PM
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but yep its an exciting tournament to see. all BMFs just proving to be mudafvkers within a day. i wonder how much should the ticket be as this is gonna be one of the most extreme day.
Dana has to add interesting undercards if he wants to maximize the profit from the main card or maybe just add two to four fighters in the BMF tournament. I have no names in mind right now but someone who is controversial that could actually fight and knows how to run his mouth could be part of it.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 24, 2024, 12:41:44 AM
Full UFC 308 odds:

Fakhretdinov x1.40 vs Miranda x3.00
Naurdiev x1.60 vs Silva x2.33
Basharat x1.15 vs Hugo Silva x5.50
Nzechukwu x1.14 vs Barnett x5.66
Magomedov x1.70 vs Ferreira x2.16
Rebecki x3.50 vs Orolbay Uulu x1.32
Neal x1.32 vs Dos Anjos x3.40
Aslan x1.96 vs Cerqueira x1.84
Magomedov x1.60 vs Petrosyan x2.36
Murphy x1.37 vs Ige x3.00
Ankalaev x1.27 vs Rakic x3.75
Whittaker x3.10 vs Chimaev x1.40
Topuria x1.37 vs Holloway x3.10

The odds for Holloway are more than decent. But I wouldn't put my money on him in that fight. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Max has ever faced a really good grappler before.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 24, 2024, 08:50:39 PM
Full UFC 308 odds:

Fakhretdinov x1.40 vs Miranda x3.00
Naurdiev x1.60 vs Silva x2.33
Basharat x1.15 vs Hugo Silva x5.50
Nzechukwu x1.14 vs Barnett x5.66
Magomedov x1.70 vs Ferreira x2.16
Rebecki x3.50 vs Orolbay Uulu x1.32
Neal x1.32 vs Dos Anjos x3.40
Aslan x1.96 vs Cerqueira x1.84
Magomedov x1.60 vs Petrosyan x2.36
Murphy x1.37 vs Ige x3.00
Ankalaev x1.27 vs Rakic x3.75
Whittaker x3.10 vs Chimaev x1.40
Topuria x1.37 vs Holloway x3.10

The odds for Holloway are more than decent. But I wouldn't put my money on him in that fight. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Max has ever faced a really good grappler before.

well Ilia hasn't faced a BMF like Max too.
Topuria is one of the greatest at this time in UFC. he has the power that can knockout Max and if he said in the conference that he will KO Max, it might just happen or the other way around. 
the odds favors him though so if what bookmakers see pleases you, then most likely you have the same view. they rarely make mistake actually.

i find it incorrect actually but Chimaev, Ankalev and Magomedov odds looks correct. would be fun to parlay.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 24, 2024, 10:54:46 PM
There's no doubt Max is a better striker and if Topuria gets dragged into a striking match, he'll most likely lose. But Max hasn't really faced anyone with solid wrestling skills. I suppose Volk would be the closest thing to a wrestler he's encountered. In the UFC 251 Volk managed to shift the win in his favour by taking Max down multiple times quite easily.

Regarding Oliveira and Ortega - both are good in jiu-jitsu and submissions but that style does not emphasise on takedowns like the wrestling does. Plus, Max fought Oliveira in 2015, so that was the weak part of Charles' career when he was losing a lot of fights.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 26, 2024, 08:01:38 PM
There's no doubt Max is a better striker and if Topuria gets dragged into a striking match, he'll most likely lose. But Max hasn't really faced anyone with solid wrestling skills. I suppose Volk would be the closest thing to a wrestler he's encountered. In the UFC 251 Volk managed to shift the win in his favour by taking Max down multiple times quite easily.

Regarding Oliveira and Ortega - both are good in jiu-jitsu and submissions but that style does not emphasise on takedowns like the wrestling does. Plus, Max fought Oliveira in 2015, so that was the weak part of Charles' career when he was losing a lot of fights.

its the young Ilia with KO power and accuracy vs the tough and experienced Max. i've watched several analysis in this event and seem people are leaning more to to ilia because they say he is more well rounded while Max lost 10lbs to make this weight.

Topuria sounds too confident that he will be the first to KO Max. he said this to the press and although there are several more fighters that we want to hear talking, its seem him taking all the attention.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 27, 2024, 08:49:28 AM
No surprises at all in the UFC 308. What an entertaining event it was. The main card results are as follow:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/10/27/KYIlf.png)

I expected Topuria to win but thought it would be by decision or on the ground (submission/ground and pound TKO etc), but he has proven again that his striking skills are of the highest level as he did to Max what Max did to Gaethje.

Khamzat - flawless performance. Robert was not even a match for him. I don't think there's anyone in the middleweight who could stop him from reaching for the belt.

Ankalaev - a win by decision, but as Dan Cormier pointed out, he doesn't tend to go for takedowns at all in his fights. Despite his wrestling/sambo background, he might not be as good a wrestler as many of us thought. If he's matched with Pereira for the title shot (as he should) I think he'd get his ass kicked by Alex.

Shara - never fails to entertain. This might be the first time we've seen a KO by a double backfist.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 29, 2024, 08:22:50 PM
No surprises at all in the UFC 308. What an entertaining event it was. The main card results are as follow:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/10/27/KYIlf.png)

I expected Topuria to win but thought it would be by decision or on the ground (submission/ground and pound TKO etc), but he has proven again that his striking skills are of the highest level as he did to Max what Max did to Gaethje.

Khamzat - flawless performance. Robert was not even a match for him. I don't think there's anyone in the middleweight who could stop him from reaching for the belt.

Ankalaev - a win by decision, but as Dan Cormier pointed out, he doesn't tend to go for takedowns at all in his fights. Despite his wrestling/sambo background, he might not be as good a wrestler as many of us thought. If he's matched with Pereira for the title shot (as he should) I think he'd get his ass kicked by Alex.

Shara - never fails to entertain. This might be the first time we've seen a KO by a double backfist.

the damage on Whittakers teeth is gruesome if you have seen the photo. Khamzat did it even when his arms wasn't really positioned to choke Whittaker but it did the job forcing the tap as quick as possible. if it took longer that that, can;t imagine what will happen to Whittakers face.

also if Ankalaev performs this way against Pereira, i doubt he'd win especially since he promised not to take down Pereira. most of his wins is by striking actually so he probably isn't good at grappling as he didn't see it as an option.


Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on October 31, 2024, 06:32:21 PM
the damage on Whittakers teeth is gruesome if you have seen the photo. Khamzat did it even when his arms wasn't really positioned to choke Whittaker but it did the job forcing the tap as quick as possible. if it took longer that that, can;t imagine what will happen to Whittakers face.

Good to see Robert is OK now. It wasn't a broken jaw as many have thought initially. He gave a couple of interviews since then and seems to be alright.


In other news, Belal is confirmed to be out of the UFC 310 on 7th Dec, when he was scheduled to fight Shavkat for the title.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/mixed-martial-arts/articles/c4gpzgn23yyo


 
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on October 31, 2024, 07:20:57 PM

^ Belal vs Shavkat is gonna be a one sided fight anyway. what got into UFC that it only look like they want to penalize Belal and wants his career over after becoming a champ. their matchmakers are not seeing what could happen to Belal after Shavkat.

now they are going to scramble looking for fighters to replace the main event. UFC 310 will flop if no big names will show up. 
if they just give Belal vs Covington as co and then Pantoja as the main event from the start, they might not have this problem.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 05, 2024, 10:54:35 PM
Shavkat and his team are calling for an interim belt at the UFC 310 and suggesting Kamaru as a potential opponent.

I don't see how Shavkat fighting for the interim belt would be unfair to Belal, who opposes the idea. After all, it's Belal who is unable to fight. If anything, it would be unfair to make Shavkat wait for his next payday for ~2 more months if not more. And it's not like Belal will be stripped of his belt or anything.

I like the idea of Shavkat fighting Usman, provided Usman agrees and will be ready by then. Some say Kamaru is not deserving because he lost his last 3 fights, but he only lost to Edwards, once by KO and the second time by decision (in an even fight), and to Chimaev, who now is one of the most feared fighters in the UFC. In that last fight, he fought on very short notice and moved up to a higher weight class and still did surprisingly well, so it'd be fair to give him a chance.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on November 06, 2024, 06:03:47 PM
Shavkat and his team are calling for an interim belt at the UFC 310 and suggesting Kamaru as a potential opponent.

I don't see how Shavkat fighting for the interim belt would be unfair to Belal, who opposes the idea. After all, it's Belal who is unable to fight. If anything, it would be unfair to make Shavkat wait for his next payday for ~2 more months if not more. And it's not like Belal will be stripped of his belt or anything.

I like the idea of Shavkat fighting Usman, provided Usman agrees and will be ready by then. Some say Kamaru is not deserving because he lost his last 3 fights, but he only lost to Edwards, once by KO and the second time by decision (in an even fight), and to Chimaev, who now is one of the most feared fighters in the UFC. In that last fight, he fought on very short notice and moved up to a higher weight class and still did surprisingly well, so it'd be fair to give him a chance.

does Shavkat has the mandatory card to call Usman?  Belal chickens out. not a good thing for a champ to do that and its the main event which is embarrassing.

if i were Usman i would surely take that challenge, its not everyday you get another chance to prove yourself. beating that Genghis Khan descendant will make him an interim champ which Belal vs Usman will finally be happening.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 08, 2024, 10:46:09 PM
does Shavkat has the mandatory card to call Usman?  Belal chickens out. not a good thing for a champ to do that and its the main event which is embarrassing.

if i were Usman i would surely take that challenge, its not everyday you get another chance to prove yourself. beating that Genghis Khan descendant will make him an interim champ which Belal vs Usman will finally be happening.

Yeah, but if Usman takes up the challenge and loses, that would put him in a tough spot as that would make him look like he was on a massive decline, which wouldn't necessarily be true. Whereas if he were to fight (and win) 1-2 more fights with lower-ranked guys just to break the losing streak and build his confidence back - that would be a different story.

But looks like he's not afraid the risk and expressed his willingness to accept such fight:
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2024/11/ufc-310-kamaru-usman-breaks-silence-shavkat-rakhmonov-fight-possibility
I respect him for that.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on November 09, 2024, 07:19:44 PM
does Shavkat has the mandatory card to call Usman?  Belal chickens out. not a good thing for a champ to do that and its the main event which is embarrassing.

if i were Usman i would surely take that challenge, its not everyday you get another chance to prove yourself. beating that Genghis Khan descendant will make him an interim champ which Belal vs Usman will finally be happening.

Yeah, but if Usman takes up the challenge and loses, that would put him in a tough spot as that would make him look like he was on a massive decline, which wouldn't necessarily be true. Whereas if he were to fight (and win) 1-2 more fights with lower-ranked guys just to break the losing streak and build his confidence back - that would be a different story.

But looks like he's not afraid the risk and expressed his willingness to accept such fight:
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2024/11/ufc-310-kamaru-usman-breaks-silence-shavkat-rakhmonov-fight-possibility
I respect him for that.

Usman is already in decline though. he is used to accepting short notice fights, he might as well just take the risk at least he can justify why he keeps the rank still even after losing 3 times. there's time to prepare at least not just 6 days.

losing against Shavkat though is not going to be surprising. he is going to overcome it as his worse loss was against Edwards but winning will make a big come back for him. he will be hailed as Khan slayer  ;D

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 12, 2024, 10:24:11 PM
Usman is already in decline though. he is used to accepting short notice fights, he might as well just take the risk at least he can justify why he keeps the rank still even after losing 3 times. there's time to prepare at least not just 6 days.

That's precisely what I meant by saying he would risk a lot by taking the Shavkat fight.
In fans' perception, he's in decline, but that's not necessarily true. Quick break down:
- first fight against Leon, he dominated the fight and was on his way to win but got surprised with that head kick
- 2nd fight against Leon, not the best performance but was a very even fight that could go either way
- Khamzat fight - he lost but considering the short notice, fighting in a higher weight class, and the fact that later Khamzat has proven to be a real deal as ran over Robert Whittaker, losing by decision and causing Khamzat some troubles should count in his favour.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 13, 2024, 11:27:36 PM
Only a few more days to the UFC 309.

After all the criticism he's facing from the fans for fighting Stipe instead of Aspinal, I'm almost certain he will want the fight to last at least 3 rounds.
Imagine if he were to finish Stipe in the first seconds  - he wouldn't get any praise for that, it would make him look pretty bad. There would be even more backlash for him beating a poor, retired old man who just wanted to earn his last bucks in the industry. It was Jones who pressed hard for this fight to happen, not the UFC.

Meanwhile, Tom posted a video response to Jon:
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on November 14, 2024, 08:50:55 PM

Tom is scary in the cage so its not surprising while Jones been in decline and getting older while also very inactive. when Jones fought Dom Reyes, it was almost obvious he is already showing signs and many fans even considered Jones lost it. he was out boxed. if it was Aspinall's fist that landed his face, it would have been over already.

UFC didn;t make it easy for Tom. since he become part of UFC he been fighting toughest fighters in the beginning and giving the belt to Englishman might not be what in Dana's mind.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on November 14, 2024, 10:07:13 PM
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UFC didn;t make it easy for Tom. since he become part of UFC he been fighting toughest fighters in the beginning and giving the belt to Englishman might not be what in Dana's mind.
Yeah, the heavyweight situation is quite complicated. Perhaps Dana made a contract with both John and Stipe that they will settle their score first before giving Tom a real title fight. If this was any other champion, the belt would have been stripped of him and give to Tom already.

Now that Jones already announcing retirement after beating Stipe, it makes it even more complicated for Dana. I think that's Jon Jones asking for more money if he fights Tom.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 15, 2024, 12:29:48 AM
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UFC didn;t make it easy for Tom. since he become part of UFC he been fighting toughest fighters in the beginning and giving the belt to Englishman might not be what in Dana's mind.
Yeah, the heavyweight situation is quite complicated. Perhaps Dana made a contract with both John and Stipe that they will settle their score first before giving Tom a real title fight. If this was any other champion, the belt would have been stripped of him and give to Tom already.

Now that Jones already announcing retirement after beating Stipe, it makes it even more complicated for Dana. I think that's Jon Jones asking for more money if he fights Tom.

To be fair, just by looking at Jon during his interviews etc, it's clear that he's not the same guy he used to be. He sounds very low energy, like he lost his drive (or suffered a drop in testosterone). But maybe I'm getting the wrong impression. We'll be able to verify that this weekend.

The situation is not really complicated. The winner of Jones/Miocic will have to face Tom, and if they refuse, that would mean vacating the belt.
If Jones wants to fight Pereira, that's fine with me, but it won't be for the heavyweight belt, unless he defeats Tom first.

But yeah, without Jon, there won't be much excitement in the heavyweight. Tom could face Cyril next, which would be somewhat interesting, but that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on November 17, 2024, 11:40:43 AM
I don't know if it's rust or if he got scared after receiving all the heavy elbows in round 1, but Stipe looked flat. He's still tough after surviving the first round but I think it was only right that he retired after that. He's not beating Tom with a performance like that.

Kudos to Jon for consistently attacking the body that eventually sealed the fight. This is probably one of his most intelligent fights in recent years.

One of the best that came out of this is that he's probably planning one more fight before he hangs up. I'm looking forward to their (Dana/Jon) next announcement.

Yeah, his celebratory MAGA/Trump dance was also funny.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on November 17, 2024, 08:03:07 PM
I don't know if it's rust or if he got scared after receiving all the heavy elbows in round 1, but Stipe looked flat. He's still tough after surviving the first round but I think it was only right that he retired after that. He's not beating Tom with a performance like that.

Kudos to Jon for consistently attacking the body that eventually sealed the fight. This is probably one of his most intelligent fights in recent years.

One of the best that came out of this is that he's probably planning one more fight before he hangs up. I'm looking forward to their (Dana/Jon) next announcement.

Yeah, his celebratory MAGA/Trump dance was also funny.

they both look slow. but that spinning back kick is a finisher. i don't know why stipe wouldn't throw  straight when jones is definitely on the range. he just stands up in front of jones, flat foot.  all the rest in the main card ended in decisions besides the main event.

it feels like they rigged the UFC fights even the co main Micheal Chandler who just runs to escape Charles was obviously out boxed but Charles didn't push on to throw more of his hands while Micheal is right on the wall. he prefers to take him down. WTF?

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 17, 2024, 10:37:54 PM
Jones Vs Stipe - as expected. Some say Jones looked a bit slowish but I think he did really good. You could tell he wasn't rushing and wanted the fight to last for at least few rounds, if he was to step on the gas pedal early, he would've finished Stipe in rd 1. As for Stipe, to nobody's surprise, he isn't the guy he used to be. His age and long break took their toll. He had a great career and it was a dream last fight.

No official announcement as of yet, but from what Dana, Tom, and partially Jon all said post-fight, we will almost definitely see Jones Vs Aspinall next (unless Jones wants too much or decides to retire). And that's good news.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on November 19, 2024, 07:03:29 PM
Jones Vs Stipe - as expected. Some say Jones looked a bit slowish but I think he did really good. You could tell he wasn't rushing and wanted the fight to last for at least few rounds, if he was to step on the gas pedal early, he would've finished Stipe in rd 1. As for Stipe, to nobody's surprise, he isn't the guy he used to be. His age and long break took their toll. He had a great career and it was a dream last fight.

No official announcement as of yet, but from what Dana, Tom, and partially Jon all said post-fight, we will almost definitely see Jones Vs Aspinall next (unless Jones wants too much or decides to retire). And that's good news.

in the post fight interview, Jones says he wants to fight Pereira actually. he couldn't care about Tom having the interim belt, i think he will even gave up that HW belt just to fight Pereira. of course we all know Jon is ducking and people i think could guess its Dana's will. Jones isn't the one deciding all these.

stipe is old and slow, i couldn't help thinking Jones was still hit by the slow old man, how could he even think he wouldn't be hit by Pereira's left?
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on November 19, 2024, 10:13:31 PM
^ I think everything that Jones is saying right now is just a preparation to a deal and a message to Dana to offer a much higher number to the negotiating table. Nobody knows this better than Dana himself. DC also said that Jon isn't ducking anyone but this is his way of negotiating publicly.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 19, 2024, 11:17:32 PM
Assuming Jon will stick to his word and not retire, he has only 2 options: fight Tom, as he should, or move back down to the light heavyweight to try to win his old belt back from Pereira. I don't think Pereira moving up to the heavyweight is a viable option, as Jones would have to vacate the belt which would make him look really bad and would reduce the prestige of such fight.

I hope they'll get things moving quickly and that we won't have to wait till the summer or later to see them in action. Tom is in his prime and should be fighting at least 2-3 times a year if his goal is to build a solid legacy. He has last fought in July and a year in between the fights is a long time.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on November 20, 2024, 08:50:23 PM
Assuming Jon will stick to his word and not retire, he has only 2 options: fight Tom, as he should, or move back down to the light heavyweight to try to win his old belt back from Pereira. I don't think Pereira moving up to the heavyweight is a viable option, as Jones would have to vacate the belt which would make him look really bad and would reduce the prestige of such fight.

I hope they'll get things moving quickly and that we won't have to wait till the summer or later to see them in action. Tom is in his prime and should be fighting at least 2-3 times a year if his goal is to build a solid legacy. He has last fought in July and a year in between the fights is a long time.

Pereira and Jones doesn't have time either. anytime of the year the doctor could pronounce both they have chronic traumatic encepathopathy   they got to be making the fight as soon as possible. it would be a big pay for Jones and Pereira if they can make the fight. jones wouldn't care fighting Tom anymore. he'd accepted that he is  duck. we all see that twitter picture on his profile he been posting.

next  min event is Yan vs Figue. looks like a competitive boxing match.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 21, 2024, 11:26:44 PM
Pereira and Jones doesn't have time either. anytime of the year the doctor could pronounce both they have chronic traumatic encepathopathy   they got to be making the fight as soon as possible. it would be a big pay for Jones and Pereira if they can make the fight. jones wouldn't care fighting Tom anymore. he'd accepted that he is  duck. we all see that twitter picture on his profile he been posting.

I think Jones is just trolling and he will agree to fight Tom if the money is right. But who knows, maybe he's really afraid to retire with a loss. That's what he's saying in between the lines.


Anyhow, regarding the UFC 310 -  it's official now, Ian Garry will replace Belal Muhammad and will face Shavkat.
I think Shavkat Vs Garry is a decent match-up. Both are undefeated (18-0 and 15-0, respectively), one is considered one of the best prospects and material for a long-reigning champion, and the other is an insufferable cunt that everyone wants to see beaten. Will Shavkat give MMA fans what they want? Bookies seem to be thinking so, as he's a x1.30 favourite.

And I see Vicente Luque Vs Nick Diaz got cancelled, not sure why.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 22, 2024, 05:47:32 PM
Everyone was focussed on Jones Vs Stipe, but what about Oliveira Vs Chandler?

It was a decent fight to watch and it kind of went as expected.

Chandler is a great example that the showmanship and an entertaining factor can take you further in the UFC than actual results. Many of his fights are what I call victorious losses, despite the negative outcome, he's remembered in a positive light. i.e. most fans will only remember Chandler slamming Oliveira twice at the end of the fight forgetting about his loss.

He now lost 4 out of his last 5 fights (only winning a total of 2 in the UFC) but even after the last loss he will still be highly valued. He's ranked 7th at the moment and I don't think they will match him up with anyone ranked below him. I'll be guessing he'll be fighting again with either Dan Hooker or Justin Gaethje. Chandler Vs either of them would guarantee a good show.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on November 22, 2024, 06:27:41 PM

he still in the card, good for Shavkat. Belal thought he could deny that chance.

Everyone was focussed on Jones Vs Stipe, but what about Oliveira Vs Chandler?

It was a decent fight to watch and it kind of went as expected.

Chandler is a great example that the showmanship and an entertaining factor can take you further in the UFC than actual results. Many of his fights are what I call victorious losses, despite the negative outcome, he's remembered in a positive light. i.e. most fans will only remember Chandler slamming Oliveira twice at the end of the fight forgetting about his loss.

He now lost 4 out of his last 5 fights (only winning a total of 2 in the UFC) but even after the last loss he will still be highly valued. He's ranked 7th at the moment and I don't think they will match him up with anyone ranked below him. I'll be guessing he'll be fighting again with either Dan Hooker or Justin Gaethje. Chandler Vs either of them would guarantee a good show.

it should have been an easy fight for Charles, we can see in the first few rounds Chandler could have been knockout an a career ending way but Charles didn't consider it that way but choose to find a way to choke him. someone whispers in Charles ears to take it easy and just give him the last round for the audience to hope he may win. but obviously Chandler is not going to make it. Dana still has plans for him i guess.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 23, 2024, 12:20:06 PM
(...) but obviously Chandler is not going to make it. Dana still has plans for him i guess.

Chandler is 38 and will be 39 in April next year. So realistically he has maybe like 2-3 fights left in him before retiring or going the Tony Ferguson way. That's why I think they could match him up either against Hooker or Gaethje, none of whom has a shot at the belt, both prefer striking which would guarantee a good show and likely a KO, and Chandler would have a chance of winning against any of them which could keep him staying high in the ranks for his final fights.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on November 24, 2024, 07:37:15 PM
(...) but obviously Chandler is not going to make it. Dana still has plans for him i guess.

Chandler is 38 and will be 39 in April next year. So realistically he has maybe like 2-3 fights left in him before retiring or going the Tony Ferguson way. That's why I think they could match him up either against Hooker or Gaethje, none of whom has a shot at the belt, both prefer striking which would guarantee a good show and likely a KO, and Chandler would have a chance of winning against any of them which could keep him staying high in the ranks for his final fights.

he'd still be among the top dog even being inactive for years and defeated by Charles.  Dana set him up for Conor fight and because Conor is not ready to embarrass himself, Dana gave Oliveira thinking Chand will win this time. Hooker is likely.

Petr vs Figgy was 5 round of entertainment.  Figgy successfully knock down Yan but it wasn't doing any damage at all. 
nothing exciting after this fight anymore even the ufc 310 has lost its hype when Belal made n excuse.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on November 26, 2024, 08:14:10 PM
he'd still be among the top dog even being inactive for years and defeated by Charles.  Dana set him up for Conor fight and because Conor is not ready to embarrass himself, Dana gave Oliveira thinking Chand will win this time. Hooker is likely.

Petr vs Figgy was 5 round of entertainment.  Figgy successfully knock down Yan but it wasn't doing any damage at all. 
nothing exciting after this fight anymore even the ufc 310 has lost its hype when Belal made n excuse.

Conor is done, we won't see him fighting again, unless he goes bankrupt and is desperate for money.

Yan Vs Figuiredo was an awesome fight and exceeded my expectations. It went to distance but was far from boring.

IMO, the UFC 310 looks very decent. I think the Rakhmonov Vs Gary could be a better fight to watch than Rakhmonov Vs Muhammad, the belt is not on the line, but it has a better entertaining potential.

Here are the odds for all the fights:

Bryce Mitchell x1.17 Vs Kron Gracie x5.00

Ciryl Gane x1.36 Vs Alexander Volkov x3.14

Shavkat Rakhmonov x1.27 Vs Ian Machado Garry x3.80

Alexandre Pantoja x1.40 Vs Kai Asakura x3.00

Vicente Luque x2.57 Vs Themba Gorimbo x1.52

Michael Chiesa x2.25 Vs Max Griffin x1.66

Clay Guida x6.00 Vs Chase Hooper x1.13

Cody Durden x2.30 Vs Joshua van x1.61

Chris Weidman x2.00 Vs Eryk Anders x1.81

Randy Brown x2.83 Vs Bryan Battle x1.44

Anthony Smith x3.60 Vs Dominick Reyes x1.30

Movsar Evloev x1.38 Vs Aljamain Sterling x3.10

Nate Landwehr x1.62 Vs Doo Ho Choi x2.30

I had no clue that Clay Guida was still active. The guy will be 43 on 8th Dec, so one day after the event. Will he earn himself a win for his birthday? The bookies say No, as he has the highest payout of x6.00.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on November 26, 2024, 09:04:40 PM

Clay Guida deserve a Hall of Fame award for being active since he has over 50 fights all in all. and he did fight last year. i think i remember him also being inter

ufc 310 is a full of great fighters. we shall see it Gary will ever survive if Rakhmonov get a hold of him.  but either way Rakhmonov do know how to box too so  but this is probably what is in Gary's mind too which he will be technical.  i'm almost sure Dana doesn't like him that's why he is matched to Rakhmonov  ;D

Kai is fresh from Rizin. how lucky is this guy? and he is younger too.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on December 03, 2024, 10:03:33 PM
Clay Guida deserve a Hall of Fame award for being active since he has over 50 fights all in all. and he did fight last year.
I remember him from the way back as he was pretty wild and always put up a good show (win or lose), but I haven't seen any of his recent fights.

(...) we shall see it Gary will ever survive if Rakhmonov get a hold of him.  but either way Rakhmonov do know how to box too so  but this is probably what is in Gary's mind too which he will be technical.  i'm almost sure Dana doesn't like him that's why he is matched to Rakhmonov  ;D

Both know each other as, I think, they trained in the same club at some point (there is some footage of their sparring out there), so it might go to distance if they know each other strengths and weaknesses.
Garry is not very popular, but negative interest is still an interest and he brings the views. I don't think Dana necessarily wanted that match, it's just he had to save the show after Belal pulled out.

It is indeed Kai Asakura's UFC debut and he's getting a title shot straight away. I think it's justified, as Asakura was Rizin's bantamweight champion until he vacated the belt in June 2024. I think the other reason behind the UFC giving him a shot is that they want to attract more fans from Japan, who are always very supportive of their fellow countrymen performing well in martial arts. Plus, the flyweight is the least popular among all weight classes, so there's no harm in propping it up by acquiring new fighters and making it more interesting. I think it has the potential as fights there are usually pretty entertaining and fast-paced. It's just the fighters in that division are less known to the public (and the UFC can be blamed for this to some degree).
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 04, 2024, 08:32:01 PM
Clay Guida deserve a Hall of Fame award for being active since he has over 50 fights all in all. and he did fight last year.
I remember him from the way back as he was pretty wild and always put up a good show (win or lose), but I haven't seen any of his recent fights.

(...) we shall see it Gary will ever survive if Rakhmonov get a hold of him.  but either way Rakhmonov do know how to box too so  but this is probably what is in Gary's mind too which he will be technical.  i'm almost sure Dana doesn't like him that's why he is matched to Rakhmonov  ;D

Both know each other as, I think, they trained in the same club at some point (there is some footage of their sparring out there), so it might go to distance if they know each other strengths and weaknesses.
Garry is not very popular, but negative interest is still an interest and he brings the views. I don't think Dana necessarily wanted that match, it's just he had to save the show after Belal pulled out.

It is indeed Kai Asakura's UFC debut and he's getting a title shot straight away. I think it's justified, as Asakura was Rizin's bantamweight champion until he vacated the belt in June 2024. I think the other reason behind the UFC giving him a shot is that they want to attract more fans from Japan, who are always very supportive of their fellow countrymen performing well in martial arts. Plus, the flyweight is the least popular among all weight classes, so there's no harm in propping it up by acquiring new fighters and making it more interesting. I think it has the potential as fights there are usually pretty entertaining and fast-paced. It's just the fighters in that division are less known to the public (and the UFC can be blamed for this to some degree).

Asakura vs Pantoja is almost like a cross promotion fight. UFC is beginning to open its option for cross promotion, it won't be long there will be unification also in UFC. they pick the active market in Asia but the most popular here is the ONE Champion. Dana won't engage to ONEFC yet, Demetrius Johnson influence is still very fresh. there are two Asakura in Rizin, they are brothers and both are tough in the ring. i don't know if Kai can take Pantoja's shots though but fighters in this division are fasts.

i'm looking to parlay Pantoja,  Rakhmonov, Gane, Mitchell, Sterling, and Reyes.  any chance?



Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on December 05, 2024, 12:21:00 AM
I'm starting to think that placing established fighters in prelims is some sort of punishment and a signal that the UFC does not intend to invest in promoting them anymore.
It reminds me of putting Mokaev in the prelims at the UFC 304 in Manchester, which is (or was) his hometown and he was pretty popular back then. I thought it was a tactical move to make sure the UK fans would watch the whole thing, despite unusual hours, but we all know what happened to him later.

Aljo is not holding back and openly expresses his disappointment about not being on the main card:
https://www.lowkickmma.com/aljamain-sterling-insulted-ufc-310-prelims/

i'm looking to parlay Pantoja,  Rakhmonov, Gane, Mitchell, Sterling, and Reyes.  any chance?

With a small wager? Why not.
But with 6 fights, it's almost guaranteed that at least one of them won't hit.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 05, 2024, 08:53:38 PM
With a small wager? Why not.
But with 6 fights, it's almost guaranteed that at least one of them won't hit.

yes why not. just $10 just so i can watch the live fight on the sports betting site. better than PPV.

I'm starting to think that placing established fighters in prelims is some sort of punishment and a signal that the UFC does not intend to invest in promoting them anymore.
It reminds me of putting Mokaev in the prelims at the UFC 304 in Manchester, which is (or was) his hometown and he was pretty popular back then. I thought it was a tactical move to make sure the UK fans would watch the whole thing, despite unusual hours, but we all know what happened to him later.

Aljo is not holding back and openly expresses his disappointment about not being on the main card:
https://www.lowkickmma.com/aljamain-sterling-insulted-ufc-310-prelims/


that's whats been said in the comments on the press conference video. i think they were right about it. Aljo being this outspoken will really be disliked by Dana. its not the first and then him didn't want to fight Merab. although Dana can deny that be been shafting those fighters, he is always part of the decision making.

there are negative stories about Mokaev though. maybe out of his frustration to the UFC that's why he did t it to Kape. still Mokaev did something a sportsman won't do.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 09, 2024, 07:24:15 PM

Evloev celebrated his win well eating something on his post press conference. But the win isn't as spectacular against Sterling though.

the coming card Merab vs Umar seem to be hyped pretty much these days that Merab have to pretend hes the boss trying to scare Umar. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_311
main event Islam Makhachev vs. Arman Tsarukyan can't be this bad to watch a wrestling match. Jiri vs. Jamahal Hill is among the main card too.  my guess who ever wins this will fight ankalev.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on December 10, 2024, 11:49:09 PM
Evloev celebrated his win well eating something on his post press conference. But the win isn't as spectacular against Sterling though.

He doesn't have any spectacular wins, that's the problem. Him becoming a champion without changing his style is the UFC's biggest nightmare. He's not going to generate much sales if he cannot finish anyone.

Re Shavkat Vs Garry, it was a win-win in a way. Shavkat has won, kept his undefeated status and secured his title shot. Garry has lost, but it's a kind of loss that he doesn't have to be ashamed about (a bit like Michael Chandler, who gains in popularity despite losing most of his UFC fights). He made Shavkat look human and fought a pretty close fight to what anyone expected, so it should positively impact his career. I dislike him a little bit less after that fight.

Now, given the hard time Shavkat had trying to take Ian down, the question arises whether or not he has what it takes to take the belt of Belal. I'm sure he won't be as strong of a favourite as he was initially.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 11, 2024, 07:34:13 PM
Now, given the hard time Shavkat had trying to take Ian down, the question arises whether or not he has what it takes to take the belt of Belal. I'm sure he won't be as strong of a favourite as he was initially.

that's just about the comments i have been reading too. it appears Shavkat isn't as tough as he is when facing someone like Garry or its just that Garry is also well rounded. Garry managed to position a rare naked choke, if it were Khamzat choking Shavkat his teeth may have look like Whittaker's. Although Garry didn't win, he showed how to defeat a dominant fighter.

i agree Belal could fight back in a way that could upset Shavkat. we may be seeing this fight soon after all this is the original match before Garry.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on December 12, 2024, 11:37:22 PM
Media are reporting that Ilia Topuria is moving up to the lightweight.
It's a good move in my opinion, at least money-wise. Lightweight is packed with high-profile names and the featherweight doesn't have much to offer, a rematch with Volk? Lopes? Evloev? None of these have any serious earning potential.
Media are reporting that he'll vacate the title, so it's not like he's aiming to hold two belts simultaneously.
It's a good timing. He could fight the winner of Islam Vs Arman (so most likely Islam) as there aren't that many deserving contenders in the lightweight. Oliveira is rumoured to get the next title shot, but he already lost to both, Islam and Arman, so giving it to Ilia would be way easier to hype.

Topuria is a bit small for the lightweight, he's 8cm shorter than Islam (according to Wikipedia) but his reach disadvantage is only 3cm, so it's not all that bad. And if Volkanovski could put up a good fight against Islam, so can Ilia.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 13, 2024, 07:49:58 PM

vacating the belt all for the money fights, seem fair when you are chasing the high profile fights on UAE. if he can handle 155 it should be good. he is going to be on the right track if he finishes Oliveira and then stay a champ after Islam. so that more fighters will come to try taking the belt from him. so many fighters that can actually upset him in this division.

even give Paddy the chance to get a title shot on London. that's a good place that needs entertainment like this. 
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on December 15, 2024, 12:12:40 AM
Any thoughts on the recent grappling match between Tsarukyan and Chimaev that kind of went viral?:


I don't quite understand how were they allowed to do that. I hear it was some part of a Russian reality show. Did they get a green light by the UFC, or was the (alleged) reality show actually produced by the UFC (i.e. a Russian version of the Ultimate Fighter?). Anyone has any more info on that?

Anyhow, Khamzat clearly dominated and pushed Arman to defense. The big size difference surely played its part, but I think Khamzat wrestling skills were also a bit higher. I'd really like to see him against Bo Nickal at some point.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 15, 2024, 06:23:29 PM

and what is Dana's reaction to this while both fighters are still under the UFC contract? not familiar with their contracts but normally they are not allowed to join combat fights from other promotions. big guy like Nickal  vs Big guy like Khamzat will more than likely just KO each other by throwing their fist. not wrestling like this one.

meanwhile, its a bloody fight n the UFC on ESPN 63 as Buckley win over Covington by Doc stoppage. even if Covington's eye lid wasn't cut, i think the result will still be a loss for Colby. 
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on December 15, 2024, 08:05:51 PM
meanwhile, its a bloody fight n the UFC on ESPN 63 as Buckley win over Covington by Doc stoppage. even if Covington's eye lid wasn't cut, i think the result will still be a loss for Colby.

Yup, he was compromised from early on, and he could use that as an excuse, but it's not like the cut was accidental or a result of an illegal move. It was the result of Colby getting beaten up by Buckley.
I think Colby just lost a desire to fight, possibly quite a long time ago, he fights sporadically, and in this one, just as in the Edwards fight, he was lacking the edge, looked bit sluggish and was ineffective in his takedown attempts.
After his loss to Leon, he called out Stephen Thompson, who was ripe for retirement and ranked much lower than him, so, to me, it was a sign he didn't have much confidence in his abilities anymore and wasn't aiming very high. After the last night's fight, I think Covington Vs Thompson would be a decent match up, after which, the defeated one could announce his retirement.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 15, 2024, 08:32:25 PM
meanwhile, its a bloody fight n the UFC on ESPN 63 as Buckley win over Covington by Doc stoppage. even if Covington's eye lid wasn't cut, i think the result will still be a loss for Colby.

Yup, he was compromised from early on, and he could use that as an excuse, but it's not like the cut was accidental or a result of an illegal move. It was the result of Colby getting beaten up by Buckley.
I think Colby just lost a desire to fight, possibly quite a long time ago, he fights sporadically, and in this one, just as in the Edwards fight, he was lacking the edge, looked bit sluggish and was ineffective in his takedown attempts.
After his loss to Leon, he called out Stephen Thompson, who was ripe for retirement and ranked much lower than him, so, to me, it was a sign he didn't have much confidence in his abilities anymore and wasn't aiming very high. After the last night's fight, I think Covington Vs Thompson would be a decent match up, after which, the defeated one could announce his retirement.

it didn't stop him from dissing everyone during his press con. even Lebron was wrecked by his loud mouth. he wasn't very pissed anyway when the doc decide to end the fight, so he surely agreed to be stopped. everyone got worried about him losing more blood.  career is over for him i think.

among the card that made the most spectacular win is Manel.  his groin was kicked was deliberately, once is something you could just slide but 3 times in the whole fight. the ref had to deduct 1 point from Bruno de Silva.


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Post by: pawel7777 on December 19, 2024, 12:39:52 AM
it didn't stop him from dissing everyone during his press con. even Lebron was wrecked by his loud mouth. he wasn't very pissed anyway when the doc decide to end the fight, so he surely agreed to be stopped. everyone got worried about him losing more blood.  career is over for him i think.

Lebron is an insufferable cunt, so no surprise here lol
But yeah, I think Colby wanted that stoppage, he didn't have much going for him in that fight, so that's the most "honorable" way of losing for him. A one that he can blame the doctor for and fans could keep speculating on what the fight could look like if not for that cut.
Given how rarely he has been fighting in recent years, I think Colby lost his desire to fight quite some time ago and it has been all about the money for him and nothing else.
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Post by: target on December 19, 2024, 04:28:21 PM
Colbye is getting old.  After trying hard to get a title for the third time, Colby could be losing hope to get a title again. He was a great wrestler but he is older now.

When he saw Shavkat wasn't able to win vs Gary by way of submission the idea came back that he could win vs Shavkat and Belal for a title.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 19, 2024, 07:57:31 PM
it didn't stop him from dissing everyone during his press con. even Lebron was wrecked by his loud mouth. he wasn't very pissed anyway when the doc decide to end the fight, so he surely agreed to be stopped. everyone got worried about him losing more blood.  career is over for him i think.

Lebron is an insufferable cunt, so no surprise here lol
But yeah, I think Colby wanted that stoppage, he didn't have much going for him in that fight, so that's the most "honorable" way of losing for him. A one that he can blame the doctor for and fans could keep speculating on what the fight could look like if not for that cut.
Given how rarely he has been fighting in recent years, I think Colby lost his desire to fight quite some time ago and it has been all about the money for him and nothing else.

can't remember where i read this but they actually rob Buckley of win by KO against a high profile. if we are to make the fight continue, it would likely to win the fight of the year as this fight seem to he hyped well due to Colby being the most favoured guy of Dana. bloody fight like this will always be remembered by someone in the crowd. its like reliving the diaz vs conor fight, it lives long in someone's memory.

losing the desire to fight is not going to make him money he still claims he will be fighting for UFC as if there will be  promotion interested to pirate him.
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Post by: Zed0X on December 19, 2024, 10:02:19 PM
Colbye is getting old.  After trying hard to get a title for the third time, Colby could be losing hope to get a title again. He was a great wrestler but he is older now.

When he saw Shavkat wasn't able to win vs Gary by way of submission the idea came back that he could win vs Shavkat and Belal for a title.
His body may be failing him now but his mouth could still fight at a high level ;D

Once his contract is up, I think him and Dana will have a serious discussion about the renewal. I'm sure Colby won't have the same leverage as he used to when negotiating but he can still be a gatekeeper in his division.
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Post by: pawel7777 on December 20, 2024, 01:30:48 PM
Once his contract is up, I think him and Dana will have a serious discussion about the renewal. I'm sure Colby won't have the same leverage as he used to when negotiating but he can still be a gatekeeper in his division.

Is his contract expiring soon? How many fights has he got left on the current one?
He would be a good gatekeeper for the top of the welterweight but only if he was willing to fight more often. I think his current average is something around 1 fight a year and given he's on the decline and is not getting any younger, so, at this pace, he could have maybe 2 more fights while still being on a decent level before retiring.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 21, 2024, 09:59:37 PM
Once his contract is up, I think him and Dana will have a serious discussion about the renewal. I'm sure Colby won't have the same leverage as he used to when negotiating but he can still be a gatekeeper in his division.

Is his contract expiring soon? How many fights has he got left on the current one?
He would be a good gatekeeper for the top of the welterweight but only if he was willing to fight more often. I think his current average is something around 1 fight a year and given he's on the decline and is not getting any younger, so, at this pace, he could have maybe 2 more fights while still being on a decent level before retiring.

Colby won't be a gate keeper. he will end up like el cucuy if he fights 2-3 fights a year. lets say Prates and MVP fights him just next year. i doubt he'd be in the top 15 after the 2 fights. but yep i think he can shake the division pulling up those below and finally get rid off himself out of UFC for good.

stop already his fantacy to get a belt, he tried his best and fought Usman in his prime. that was courageous. Khabib was appreciated well when upon retiring early, he voided getting battered in his decline but for Colby, he did get a belt yet but already battered.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on December 24, 2024, 10:09:53 AM
The Fight Night on 1 Feb in Saudi Arabia looks really decent.
It will be a big test for Adesanya, after which we should know whether he still "got it" or has he lost it for good. He has lost 3 out of his last 4 fights, some say his decline started after that loss to Alex Pereira, but he took a successful revenge and knocked Alex out, which didn't seem like a big thing back then, but now, when Alex is dominating the light heavyweight, maybe we should give Izzy more credit for that.

Shara Vs Page is guaranteed good entertainment, those two do not hold back. Shara is a x1.66 favourite, but anything can happen in that fight. Both are ranked 14th and 15th respectively, so the winner probably won't move up the ranking too much.

Pavlovich Vs Rozenstruik is also interesting, both have a good finishes ratio, including first-round finishes, so I don't expect it to go for more than one round.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 24, 2024, 10:21:24 PM

The Fight Night on 1 Feb in Saudi Arabia looks really decent.
It will be a big test for Adesanya, after which we should know whether he still "got it" or has he lost it for good. He has lost 3 out of his last 4 fights, some say his decline started after that loss to Alex Pereira, but he took a successful revenge and knocked Alex out, which didn't seem like a big thing back then, but now, when Alex is dominating the light heavyweight, maybe we should give Izzy more credit for that.

Shara Vs Page is guaranteed good entertainment, those two do not hold back. Shara is a x1.66 favourite, but anything can happen in that fight. Both are ranked 14th and 15th respectively, so the winner probably won't move up the ranking too much.

Pavlovich Vs Rozenstruik is also interesting, both have a good finishes ratio, including first-round finishes, so I don't expect it to go for more than one round.

nice. izzy now a 2nd class fighter, no PPV after just losing just 3 times.  if izzy still loses to Imanov, his going to plunge his rank further. he should win this time because one way he could go back to PPV is fighting Pereira. he needs to move to light heavyweight.

i feel like Venom Page is going to win this one. lets face it, the blind guy is no match to the speed of Page. but it seem like the bookmakers pick him as the favorite. they are tricking the bettors it's definitely worth going for Page.


Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on December 25, 2024, 11:42:11 AM
nice. izzy now a 2nd class fighter, no PPV after just losing just 3 times.  if izzy still loses to Imanov, his going to plunge his rank further. he should win this time because one way he could go back to PPV is fighting Pereira. he needs to move to light heavyweight.

It might be all or nothing for Izzy. I wouldn't be surprised if he was to announce his retirement if he was to lose to Imanov.

In other news, Paddy Pimblett is rumoured to face Michael Chandler as his next opponent, which could happen on March 22nd when the event is scheduled to take place in London.
https://bloodyelbow.com/2024/12/23/paddy-pimblett-drops-major-hint-regarding-next-potential-ufc-opponent-as-fight-announcement-looms/
This is only a speculation at this point, but I think it's a good match-up. Pimblett has earned his right to fight a top guy and Chandler, given his only win in the last 5 fights was over Tony Ferguson, should be fighting down against someone ranked below him, and Paddy is a perfect guy for him, as, despite being only ranked 13th, is still a big enough name.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on December 25, 2024, 07:39:51 PM
nice. izzy now a 2nd class fighter, no PPV after just losing just 3 times.  if izzy still loses to Imanov, his going to plunge his rank further. he should win this time because one way he could go back to PPV is fighting Pereira. he needs to move to light heavyweight.

It might be all or nothing for Izzy. I wouldn't be surprised if he was to announce his retirement if he was to lose to Imanov.

In other news, Paddy Pimblett is rumoured to face Michael Chandler as his next opponent, which could happen on March 22nd when the event is scheduled to take place in London.
https://bloodyelbow.com/2024/12/23/paddy-pimblett-drops-major-hint-regarding-next-potential-ufc-opponent-as-fight-announcement-looms/
This is only a speculation at this point, but I think it's a good match-up. Pimblett has earned his right to fight a top guy and Chandler, given his only win in the last 5 fights was over Tony Ferguson, should be fighting down against someone ranked below him, and Paddy is a perfect guy for him, as, despite being only ranked 13th, is still a big enough name.

this was the joke back when Chandler was eyeing to fight Conor which they doubt and said he will be fighting Pimblet instead. well its happening and its not funny anymore because Paddy looks great already after his best to Green.

Paddy suddenly has become really good in his last fight.  maybe Paddy can handle someone like Chandler, its time to give Paddy someone bit challenging. this is a good fight, Paddy has somehow mature and i think this is the most legit fighter that Paddy can fight for now.
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Post by: Zed0X on December 25, 2024, 10:14:45 PM
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Paddy has somehow mature
It could be because Topuria leapfrog him suddenly. I remember these two fighters having war of words on their pre and post fight interviews. Paddy was the more popular and higher ranked fighter back then but Ilia is the champ now so...
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Post by: electronicash on December 26, 2024, 10:12:41 PM
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Paddy has somehow mature
It could be because Topuria leapfrog him suddenly. I remember these two fighters having war of words on their pre and post fight interviews. Paddy was the more popular and higher ranked fighter back then but Ilia is the champ now so...

and he was more experienced than Ilia but Ilia got first ppv bout and become  champ first.  and Ilia move up too. if they fight either which class, Paddy will lose that's for sure and so is chandler versus Ilia.

Paddy needs to grow more experience in fighting toe to toe with some form the upper rank. this could be very degrading for Chandler as he is being put to fight Dana's boy while he feels he isn't worse as Tony yet.
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Post by: pawel7777 on December 27, 2024, 12:57:42 AM
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Paddy has somehow mature
It could be because Topuria leapfrog him suddenly. I remember these two fighters having war of words on their pre and post fight interviews. Paddy was the more popular and higher ranked fighter back then but Ilia is the champ now so...

Haha, that could be it. Many didn't even know who Ilia Topuria was when that beef with Paddy happened and look at him now. In Paddy's defence, he has won all of his fights but he just happens to be in the toughest weight class in the UFC, packed with big names.
Maybe we'll see those two matched against each other one day, if Ilia decides to move up to the lightweight as he said he would.
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Post by: pawel7777 on December 31, 2024, 06:24:50 PM
So apparently Conor McGregor will be returning after all, but it won't be MMA but boxing.
Media are reporting the fight between Logan Paul and Conor is due to be finalised, it will take place in India, and the purse is either $250 million, or £400 million ($500m):
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/32539878/conor-mcgregor-logan-paul-fight-annoucement-teased/
https://www.gbnews.com/sport/boxing/conor-gallagher-logan-paul-fight-2670697324

Is there actually anyone interested in such fight to pay (anything) for a PPV? I'm not even sure if I'll be bothered watching highlights of it. How on earth can they afford to pay such amounts? It's either more of a hot air or they got some huge grant from India to promote their country.
But if there's indeed half a billion $ on the line for those two, it's almost like money is hardly worth anything anymore.
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Post by: electronicash on January 01, 2025, 07:23:16 PM
So apparently Conor McGregor will be returning after all, but it won't be MMA but boxing.
Media are reporting the fight between Logan Paul and Conor is due to be finalised, it will take place in India, and the purse is either $250 million, or £400 million ($500m):
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/32539878/conor-mcgregor-logan-paul-fight-annoucement-teased/
https://www.gbnews.com/sport/boxing/conor-gallagher-logan-paul-fight-2670697324

Is there actually anyone interested in such fight to pay (anything) for a PPV? I'm not even sure if I'll be bothered watching highlights of it. How on earth can they afford to pay such amounts? It's either more of a hot air or they got some huge grant from India to promote their country.
But if there's indeed half a billion $ on the line for those two, it's almost like money is hardly worth anything anymore.

nice. it will not be good or him either in boxing or MMA his ankle is already broken. but the money is definitely  plus either he loses this fight or win. its just unbelieveble he pulled this deal of $250M.

yes they say India is not actually a boxing country. this is a country for slapping and ancient wrestling. it would be believable for Logan and Connor fight to be held in US or probably in Ireland his home. but this must be  fight that will make Dana frown again, people still thinks Connor represents UFC,


Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 07, 2025, 11:50:24 PM
The recent news/rumour is that Jon Jones is asking for $30 millions to fight Tom.
I think he's in a good position to ask for that much, especially if this is the price he is asking to start the negotiations with. He might end up with a bit less but probably will get a cut from the PPV on top, so won't be at a loss.
Whether or not it will be his last fight largely depends on the outcome. If he were to defeat Tom, then why would he retire rather than go for another super-fight against Alex Pereira, which would be much easier for Jones (he would just need to take it to the ground).

From the UFC perspective, it's a bit tricky. Having Jones beat up Aspinall and retire straight after would be a bit of a disaster. They would be left without any dominant champ. Defeated Aspinall would not be half as exciting as he is now. But I think it's pretty clear we'll see that fight happening this year.
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Post by: electronicash on January 08, 2025, 08:13:49 PM
The recent news/rumour is that Jon Jones is asking for $30 millions to fight Tom.
I think he's in a good position to ask for that much, especially if this is the price he is asking to start the negotiations with. He might end up with a bit less but probably will get a cut from the PPV on top, so won't be at a loss.
Whether or not it will be his last fight largely depends on the outcome. If he were to defeat Tom, then why would he retire rather than go for another super-fight against Alex Pereira, which would be much easier for Jones (he would just need to take it to the ground).

From the UFC perspective, it's a bit tricky. Having Jones beat up Aspinall and retire straight after would be a bit of a disaster. They would be left without any dominant champ. Defeated Aspinall would not be half as exciting as he is now. But I think it's pretty clear we'll see that fight happening this year.

i watched that rogan episode which joe really thinks jones will fight aspinall and he;d receive $30 Millions for it win or lose. that's a lot of money, when the fighter gets older that's when they realize they should have been paid more. if jones was just in boxing  he would be paid millions like 10M every fight. now he has to please Dana which Dana will also not let this slide. Dana is going to make an opportunity in this deal, make it to his advantage.

but then hope the fights happen without Alalkish and fight to be held in Saudi.
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Post by: pawel7777 on January 08, 2025, 10:32:30 PM
i watched that rogan episode which joe really thinks jones will fight aspinall and he;d receive $30 Millions for it win or lose. that's a lot of money, when the fighter gets older that's when they realize they should have been paid more. if jones was just in boxing  he would be paid millions like 10M every fight. now he has to please Dana which Dana will also not let this slide. Dana is going to make an opportunity in this deal, make it to his advantage.

but then hope the fights happen without Alalkish and fight to be held in Saudi.

I'm 99% sure the fight will happen. Not making it would make no sense and it will be a lose-lose situation.
There might be some harsh times during contract negotiations especially between Jones and the UFC (I don't think Tom will make any super high demands, but maybe he should), but they will come to an agreement eventually.
I think $30 million is not an unreasonable ask but I've no idea how much money the UFC is making on each event.
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Post by: electronicash on January 09, 2025, 08:01:40 PM
i watched that rogan episode which joe really thinks jones will fight aspinall and he;d receive $30 Millions for it win or lose. that's a lot of money, when the fighter gets older that's when they realize they should have been paid more. if jones was just in boxing  he would be paid millions like 10M every fight. now he has to please Dana which Dana will also not let this slide. Dana is going to make an opportunity in this deal, make it to his advantage.

but then hope the fights happen without Alalkish and fight to be held in Saudi.

I'm 99% sure the fight will happen. Not making it would make no sense and it will be a lose-lose situation.
There might be some harsh times during contract negotiations especially between Jones and the UFC (I don't think Tom will make any super high demands, but maybe he should), but they will come to an agreement eventually.
I think $30 million is not an unreasonable ask but I've no idea how much money the UFC is making on each event.

Tom is part o the negotiation. if he receives considerably less in this fight because Jones is asking or more, this fight will be cancelled. Tom's team decides for his value in this match to show how good this negotiation takes place.  which is why it will not be surprising to see Mr White low balls the amount making this negotiation to take place longer than they see.

the UFC will focus more on earning much more on several fight nights to UFC 400 before Jones vs Aspinall finally materializes.  money will be the biggest issue because while Jones is determined to get $30 million, Mr White is also determined to profit by paying less to his fighters.

it is still with Mr whites decision though. if he is willing to pay $30 million. then yes. we sure would like to see them fight.
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Post by: pawel7777 on January 09, 2025, 11:33:24 PM
the UFC will focus more on earning much more on several fight nights to UFC 400 before Jones vs Aspinall finally materializes.  money will be the biggest issue because while Jones is determined to get $30 million, Mr White is also determined to profit by paying less to his fighters.

Yeah, with the high demands from Jones, and possibly Aspinall (although I think he'll be much more modest) despite the big hype, it might not be the most profitable event for the UFC if they end up sharing most of the revenue with the fighters.
But they have to go with it anyway, as letting that fight fall through would be a big dent in their reputation.
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Post by: electronicash on January 11, 2025, 09:27:48 PM
the UFC will focus more on earning much more on several fight nights to UFC 400 before Jones vs Aspinall finally materializes.  money will be the biggest issue because while Jones is determined to get $30 million, Mr White is also determined to profit by paying less to his fighters.

Yeah, with the high demands from Jones, and possibly Aspinall (although I think he'll be much more modest) despite the big hype, it might not be the most profitable event for the UFC if they end up sharing most of the revenue with the fighters.
But they have to go with it anyway, as letting that fight fall through would be a big dent in their reputation.

Tom will demand how much he is worth to fight Jones. this should be big fight that they'd be force to give go. Mr White is rich he could really pay these guys with how much they want but doing so will  make every fighter try to do the same. to keep them in line, Mr White will rather be negotiating as low as possible.

i think he did it to Conor so the guy thinks he could keep asking. its why Conor's fight re cancelled because Mr White refuses to pay. would you really believe a pinky toe is reason? not everyone would.
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Post by: pawel7777 on January 12, 2025, 09:54:24 PM
Tom will demand how much he is worth to fight Jones. this should be big fight that they'd be force to give go. Mr White is rich he could really pay these guys with how much they want but doing so will  make every fighter try to do the same. to keep them in line, Mr White will rather be negotiating as low as possible.

i think he did it to Conor so the guy thinks he could keep asking. its why Conor's fight re cancelled because Mr White refuses to pay. would you really believe a pinky toe is reason? not everyone would.

I kind of assumed Tom will be much easier to please in terms of fight contract negotiations, as he could make a big name for himself by beating Jon, but on second thought, this would be the biggest fight in his career and there's literally no one else on the horizon that could even come close to Jones (maybe if Alex Pereira decided to move up, but that's a big maybe). So, for Tom, this might be the fight of his life, so it's fair for him also to expect decent pay out. So if all 3 parties: Jones, Aspinall, and the UFC want to see record profits, that could be a problem.

Anyhow, here are results from the last night main card. Only one fight went to the distance:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/12/Og23c.png)
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Post by: Zed0X on January 12, 2025, 10:51:03 PM
I was already expecting higher than their usual fight purse amounts when Jon hinted of fighting again after Stipe. I think the $30M price tag is just testing the waters. If that already includes PPV, it's probably a fair amount considering his past contributions to the organization. If not, then maybe he'll end up around $5M (exclusive of PPV). If Tom gets $2M - $3M + PPV from that fight, he'll be lucky.
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Post by: electronicash on January 13, 2025, 07:00:57 PM
I was already expecting higher than their usual fight purse amounts when Jon hinted of fighting again after Stipe. I think the $30M price tag is just testing the waters. If that already includes PPV, it's probably a fair amount considering his past contributions to the organization. If not, then maybe he'll end up around $5M (exclusive of PPV). If Tom gets $2M - $3M + PPV from that fight, he'll be lucky.

Dana would be very grateful for such price. he been known to hold fighters til they get old and still in need to fight for money and if he hates Jones for doing all these demand he may just be the next Tony Ferguson. Dana will be happy to see this fight go on with this cost.

Tom will demand how much he is worth to fight Jones. this should be big fight that they'd be force to give go. Mr White is rich he could really pay these guys with how much they want but doing so will  make every fighter try to do the same. to keep them in line, Mr White will rather be negotiating as low as possible.

i think he did it to Conor so the guy thinks he could keep asking. its why Conor's fight re cancelled because Mr White refuses to pay. would you really believe a pinky toe is reason? not everyone would.

I kind of assumed Tom will be much easier to please in terms of fight contract negotiations, as he could make a big name for himself by beating Jon, but on second thought, this would be the biggest fight in his career and there's literally no one else on the horizon that could even come close to Jones (maybe if Alex Pereira decided to move up, but that's a big maybe). So, for Tom, this might be the fight of his life, so it's fair for him also to expect decent pay out. So if all 3 parties: Jones, Aspinall, and the UFC want to see record profits, that could be a problem.

Anyhow, here are results from the last night main card. Only one fight went to the distance:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/12/Og23c.png)

fight nights are almost like in a small sparring gym with few people in it. but with so many KOs in this card, i didn't watch this one since i thought it will be just fighting women in the mud.

i read it on UFC forum they were laughing how Roman vs Curtis ended because Curtis just got knockout in the last seconds of the fight. but he could have won in UD if it didn't happen?
 
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 15, 2025, 12:22:06 AM
I was already expecting higher than their usual fight purse amounts when Jon hinted of fighting again after Stipe. I think the $30M price tag is just testing the waters. If that already includes PPV, it's probably a fair amount considering his past contributions to the organization. If not, then maybe he'll end up around $5M (exclusive of PPV). If Tom gets $2M - $3M + PPV from that fight, he'll be lucky.

I don't think the $30 million would include PPV, as PPV would not be a fixed amount but a percentage of the sales. Unless it's something like $xx millions + x% of PPV, but the total can't be less than $30m.

Tom is in a tough spot, as he doesn't have the leverage on the UFC that Jon has (i.e. "give me what I want or else I won't fight at all and retire"), but he can't settle for pennies as this could be the biggest fight of his career and there's nobody on the horizon that could be close to Jons calibre.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 17, 2025, 12:40:06 AM
The UFC 311 is getting closer.
I don't expect any surprises in the main event. Tsarukyan is a solid fighter, but Islam is just slightly better in every aspect of the game. Unless Arman lands some lucky counter-punch, I don't see him winning.
As for Merab Vs Umar, I think it should be a pretty even fight, despite Umar being a clear favourite. Merab is well-rounded and unpredictable with a really solid wrestling, which could neutralise Umar's biggest strength.

Hill Vs Prochazka - a KO (on either side) is almost guaranteed. Bookies seem to agree, for betting on it going the distance you can get x2.83, while betting on a "No", only x1.35.
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Post by: electronicash on January 17, 2025, 06:24:21 PM

can Merab really escaped the Umars grappling?  he been the top contender in this division and while Dana dislike Merab, i guess this is punishment. i think merab may just defend his throne once and its over for him.

with islam being really good not just taking down opponents but his boxing, i have him wining by KO.
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Post by: pawel7777 on January 18, 2025, 10:33:51 AM
So apparently Arman pulled out due to the back injury and Renato Moicano jumps in his place.
That's a bummer.
I don't know if Arman will get a shot at the title next, when he recovers or is the chance wasted.
Moicano is a decent replacement. On paper, he's not as strong as Tsarukyan, but the fact that Islam training camp was all set for Arman could work in his favour, and maybe he'd be able to throw something at Islam that he's not prepared for.
I guess Beneil will be skipping this one, but hopefully the UFC will pay him some compensation.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on January 19, 2025, 01:55:52 PM
Merab delivered big time. His cardio was simply amazing and he's got that entertainment factor many fighters are missing. It could be heard by the support he received from the fans, who were cheering him super loudly whenever he was successful.
Very good fight overall, I think we'll see a rematch, maybe not immediately but at some point in the future.
I'm not sure what's next for Merab though, there aren't many worthy opponents for him in the bantamweight at the moment. Maybe a rematch with O'Malley or Yan? I don't know.

I expected Moicano to last a bit longer, but Islam is just that good. Props to Moicano for stepping up and saving the show. To his credit, he did a nice left and put Islam down, but I think it was more of a lost balance that a proper knock down, as Islam did not seem much affected by that.
For those who missed that, here's the full fight (2.5 mins video):
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Post by: electronicash on January 20, 2025, 05:47:13 PM
Islam choked Moicano like how he usually do it in most of his fight. Moicano may be verstaile in facing fighters who will fight head on against him but when the fighter can bring the fight to ground, Moicano is helpless in his position.

Jamal is going downwards already, he is still unprepared.
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Post by: Zed0X on January 20, 2025, 10:36:55 PM
Jamal is going downwards already, he is still unprepared.
No shouting for self-motivation could help this guy win eh? I can already see this guy as a gatekeeper or a stepping stone for up and coming fighters ;D

To be fair to him, I think he went there with an intent to win. He landed some good shots but got careless throwing that right hook. It was an easy lean back and counter for Jiri.
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Post by: pawel7777 on January 22, 2025, 12:05:25 AM
Pereira Vs Ankalaev at the UFC 313? Better late than never.
The UFC owed Ankalaev the title fight for a while now, but his win would be the UFC's worst nightmare. Probably that's why they booked him in during ramadan. A shitty move but it is what it is.


Apparently, Umar broke his hand during the title fight and says it happened early in the fight. If true, that puts things in a different light and makes the rematch much more likely.
Photo of the hand published by Umar:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/21/WEcb2.png)

Media are confirming he'll be pausing for at least 6 months:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UFC-311-Medical-Suspensions-Umar-Nurmagomedov-Faces-Potential-6Month-Layoff-195966
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on January 22, 2025, 08:42:53 AM

after Jamal lost against Pereira he is almost derange, there were stories that he offer Pereira a sparr for 20k. idk the whole story but the story seem true.

Umar wants to capitalize this hand injury to gain himself a direct rematch to Merab but sure its at least going to make a hype again. people expecting Umar to win that day, very favorite fighter and then lost.

since Dana and this is also base from what i have heard, he hate Merab lol K guess by 6 months we'll see them fight again.
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Post by: pawel7777 on January 22, 2025, 11:18:33 PM
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since Dana and this is also base from what i have heard, he hate Merab lol K guess by 6 months we'll see them fight again.

This is the first time I hear this. Why would he hate him? He turned out to be more entertaining than O'Malley, people love him. He's a bit unhinged though, so maybe this is causing some issues.

Merab Vs Umar 2 is pretty likely IMO, but there's also a possibility for a rematch against O'Malley. Anyhow, bantamweight got pretty interesting.
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Post by: electronicash on January 23, 2025, 05:46:30 PM

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since Dana and this is also base from what i have heard, he hate Merab lol K guess by 6 months we'll see them fight again.

This is the first time I hear this. Why would he hate him? He turned out to be more entertaining than O'Malley, people love him. He's a bit unhinged though, so maybe this is causing some issues.

Merab Vs Umar 2 is pretty likely IMO, but there's also a possibility for a rematch against O'Malley. Anyhow, bantamweight got pretty interesting.

i only read it some sherdog where Dana disliked it when a fighter refused to fight someone all because they were friends. and that Merab did this when he was about to fight Sterling.

ye h antam division is going busy, Merab however isn'f a KO artist though. it could be that he is more careful than the previous champions but it looks like this is how UFC look like today. they do have Belal.
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Post by: pawel7777 on January 23, 2025, 11:59:22 PM
The next Fight Night should be a good one with Adesanya Vs Imavov and Shara Vs MVP as co-main event.
Both Izzy and Shara are favourites with odds of around x1.5.
Adesanya's form is a big question mark and so is his motivation. Some say he has lost his desire to fight and win back the belt (by "some" I mean Du Plessis), so it will be a test for him and a chance to prove he's still got it.
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Post by: electronicash on January 24, 2025, 04:32:17 PM

idk about the champs taking back their belts, like the old champs in the past they still think they can get it back. but when they face an opponent more motivated because they haven't been on top, these champs just lose their desire.

and affer all they have been there. adesanya been there on top for a number ko years.  Palvovich is there in that card, i think be is up to win as well.
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Post by: pawel7777 on January 24, 2025, 09:55:55 PM

idk about the champs taking back their belts, like the old champs in the past they still think they can get it back. but when they face an opponent more motivated because they haven't been on top, these champs just lose their desire.

and affer all they have been there. adesanya been there on top for a number ko years.  Palvovich is there in that card, i think be is up to win as well.

I'm never quick to write fighters off and say they should retire. If Adesanya still has desire to fight - let him. There have been quite a few fighters that lost their belts but managed to win them back. No harm in trying.

In other news, Tony Ferguson left the UFC but did not retire. Allegedly he already joined a rival organisation, Global Fight League:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ufc/article-14322693/MMA-UFC-Dana-White.html

I didn't have a clue on what the GFL is so had to look it up. It seems like their business model is based on taking on aging UFC fighters. They have Junior Dos Santos, Frank Mir, Fabrizio Werdum and others listed as athletes on their website:
https://www.mmagfl.com/athletes

For that reason, no I don't think the UFC will put him in the hall of fame, but maybe they're not that petty. I think he deserves it.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on January 25, 2025, 06:58:20 PM

^ adesanya could try to win back the belt sure. its not going to be easy since he is alao getting old. when a fighter reach certain age, its like fighting against his health, his inclination and time.

cant say he cant win back the belt but his time has passed just like tony ferguson. tony didnt really hold a belt and defend for a time unlike adesanya. but sure he is recognized as one of the best in his prime. as for hall of fame? maybe and maybe not.

dana i believe made him retire already so he is free to join that GFL, some people are just living to fight for the sport. clay guida is one of them, the guys is more than 40 but still dana keep him fighting despite not getting a belt.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 01, 2025, 12:37:39 PM
Just dropping the odds for all tonight's fights:

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/02/01/enJNW.png)

I have my doubts about whether Shara should be a favourite against MVP, it'll be a big test for him, but I wish him well.

Here's the link to Bisping's interview with Shara, and yes, Bisping pulls out his fake eye again:
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Post by: electronicash on February 01, 2025, 08:21:14 PM

with Bullet's eye against the fast MVP, its such a wonder why he is a favorite. Bullet will not see it coming so when Bisping says he can be a champ one day, he s just being respectful but i doubt this is happening.  it would have been funny if they both wear pirate shirt.

Adesanya vs Imanov has the acceptable odds. Izzy just have to put extra careful with Imanov, no more bending and showboating. its time you show the world you still can win.
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 05, 2025, 12:28:34 AM

with Bullet's eye against the fast MVP, its such a wonder why he is a favorite. Bullet will not see it coming so when Bisping says he can be a champ one day, he s just being respectful but i doubt this is happening.  it would have been funny if they both wear pirate shirt.

Adesanya vs Imanov has the acceptable odds. Izzy just have to put extra careful with Imanov, no more bending and showboating. its time you show the world you still can win.

Well, turned out both of the favourites lost. Adesanya's loss was much more painful.


We had some shakedown in the official rankings after the last event:
https://www.ufc.com/rankings

Izzy got dropped down by 2 places and is now a number 4 contender, while Imanov jumped up by 3 places. Shara dropped out of the top 15 entirely, it's a shame, but he'll probably be back.
MVP is still at the very bottom of the top 15 in the welterweight, so the win over Shara in the middleweight did not have any impact on his rating.

Apparently Rozenstruik is no longer in the UFC following his loss to Pavlovich:
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2025/02/ufc-news-jairiznho-rozenstruik-released-heavyweight
I guess his contract expired and the UFC either wasn't interested in making him a new offer or they couldn't find an agreement.
He's 36 and has won 2 out of his last 3 fights, so probably has a few fights left in him before retiring.
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Post by: electronicash on February 05, 2025, 07:51:21 PM

with Bullet's eye against the fast MVP, its such a wonder why he is a favorite. Bullet will not see it coming so when Bisping says he can be a champ one day, he s just being respectful but i doubt this is happening.  it would have been funny if they both wear pirate shirt.

Adesanya vs Imanov has the acceptable odds. Izzy just have to put extra careful with Imanov, no more bending and showboating. its time you show the world you still can win.

Well, turned out both of the favourites lost. Adesanya's loss was much more painful.


We had some shakedown in the official rankings after the last event:
https://www.ufc.com/rankings

Izzy got dropped down by 2 places and is now a number 4 contender, while Imanov jumped up by 3 places. Shara dropped out of the top 15 entirely, it's a shame, but he'll probably be back.
MVP is still at the very bottom of the top 15 in the welterweight, so the win over Shara in the middleweight did not have any impact on his rating.

Apparently Rozenstruik is no longer in the UFC following his loss to Pavlovich:
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2025/02/ufc-news-jairiznho-rozenstruik-released-heavyweight
I guess his contract expired and the UFC either wasn't interested in making him a new offer or they couldn't find an agreement.
He's 36 and has won 2 out of his last 3 fights, so probably has a few fights left in him before retiring.

Izzy wasnt happy with the referees decision to stop the fight too early. he thought he didn't look bad after Imanov catches him with an uppercut while falling. i think is he done already. its been said that when a fighter takes a heavy KO loss, its hard to get back the way they used to be.

MVP took his loss lightly and still can win ulike izzy. in an interview, MVP saidnits hard to celebrate after seeing Izzy lost against Imanov.

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Post by: pawel7777 on February 06, 2025, 12:13:23 AM
Izzy wasnt happy with the referees decision to stop the fight too early. he thought he didn't look bad after Imanov catches him with an uppercut while falling. i think is he done already. its been said that when a fighter takes a heavy KO loss, its hard to get back the way they used to be.

Well, he hasn't really suffered a really heavy KO in the UFC, i.e. he was never completely out cold, so maybe that's not his main problem.
As for the last fight, I think it was a good stoppage. Maybe he would have escaped into a better position if the referee had given him more time, but he suffered two big blows and was lying flat on his belly, protecting his head and not really doing much, so the referee did what he had to do. But it's always good to have something to blame.
I think we'll see him again, I don't think he'd be satisfied to retire this way.
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Post by: electronicash on February 07, 2025, 07:43:43 PM
Izzy wasnt happy with the referees decision to stop the fight too early. he thought he didn't look bad after Imanov catches him with an uppercut while falling. i think is he done already. its been said that when a fighter takes a heavy KO loss, its hard to get back the way they used to be.

Well, he hasn't really suffered a really heavy KO in the UFC, i.e. he was never completely out cold, so maybe that's not his main problem.
As for the last fight, I think it was a good stoppage. Maybe he would have escaped into a better position if the referee had given him more time, but he suffered two big blows and was lying flat on his belly, protecting his head and not really doing much, so the referee did what he had to do. But it's always good to have something to blame.
I think we'll see him again, I don't think he'd be satisfied to retire this way.

maybe we will see him again. in another fight night. this is a decline of his skill due to age i believe. we may never see him again going for the belt anymore.

Sean Strickland instead may be able to get a title if he does things differently against DDP which will be in the next fight at UFC312.  but still DDP has the edge to do it if he would grapple Sean. Sean only knew boxing, its surprising he even made it this far but sure he has accurate striking.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 07, 2025, 11:59:50 PM
maybe we will see him again. in another fight night. this is a decline of his skill due to age i believe. we may never see him again going for the belt anymore.

I don't think it's the age-related decline. I think it has more to do with mentality, maybe he lost a hunger, or something changed in him after that loss to Pereira. Maybe he's got some psychological blockage that forces him to be overly careful and less aggressive than when he was at the top.
I'm 99% sure we'll see him fighting again.
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 08, 2025, 12:33:29 AM
Odds for the main card:

Jake Matthews x1.40 Vs Francisco Prado x3.00
Jim Crute x2.28 Vs Rodolfo Bellato x1.63
Justin Tafa x2.30 Vs Talisson Teixeira x1.62
Weili Zhang x2.00 Vs Tatiana Suarez x1.81
Dricus Du Plessis x1.45 Vs Sean Strickland x2.75

I think x1.45 for Du Plessis is quite fair, he's obviously the favorite, and odds in this range are what I expected.


We're going to have a UFC debut of Alexandre Topuria, Ilia's one-year older brother, who is 5-1. He's on the prelim card and fighting in bantamweight. Obviously, relation to Ilia must've helped him get the contract, but I wonder how that will pan out for him.
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Post by: electronicash on February 08, 2025, 05:22:37 PM
Odds for the main card:

Jake Matthews x1.40 Vs Francisco Prado x3.00
Jim Crute x2.28 Vs Rodolfo Bellato x1.63
Justin Tafa x2.30 Vs Talisson Teixeira x1.62
Weili Zhang x2.00 Vs Tatiana Suarez x1.81
Dricus Du Plessis x1.45 Vs Sean Strickland x2.75

I think x1.45 for Du Plessis is quite fair, he's obviously the favorite, and odds in this range are what I expected.


We're going to have a UFC debut of Alexandre Topuria, Ilia's one-year older brother, who is 5-1. He's on the prelim card and fighting in bantamweight. Obviously, relation to Ilia must've helped him get the contract, but I wonder how that will pan out for him.

nice to see brothers in UFC again. his brother wouldn't be noticed if it weren't for Ilia of course but i think his brother is a tough one also.  he has 1 loss which i think this brother of ilia is not going to be bothered if he loses along the way in his UFC career. but will he ever survive fighting top rank fighters?

DDP i think will still win over Strickland.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 09, 2025, 01:14:32 PM
Full UFC 312 results:

Main Card
Middleweight                 Dricus du Plessis (c) def. Sean Strickland   Decision (unanimous)
Women's Strawweight    Zhang Weili (c) def. Tatiana Suarez   Decision (unanimous)
Heavyweight                 Tallison Teixeira def. Justin Tafa   TKO (knee to the body and elbows)
Light Heavyweight         Jimmy Crute vs. Rodolfo Bellato   Draw (majority)
Welterweight                Jake Matthews def. Francisco Prado   Decision (unanimous)

Prelims:
Featherweight            Gabriel Santos def. Jack Jenkins   Submission (rear-naked choke)
Lightweight                Tom Nolan def. Viacheslav Borshchev   Decision (unanimous)
Women's Flyweight     Wang Cong def. Bruna Brasil   Decision (unanimous)
Bantamweight            Aleksandre Topuria def. Colby Thicknessse   Decision (unanimous)

Early prelims:
Lightweight                Rong Zhu def. Kody Steele   Decision (unanimous)
Welterweight             Jonathan Micallef def. Kevin Jousset   Decision (unanimous)
Lightweight               Quillan Saiklid def. Anshul Jubil   TKO (punch)

That's a lot of decissions (75% of all fights).
The main fight went pretty much as I expected, maybe except DPP not shooting for takedowns as often as I thought he would be, but he was dominating in striking so there was no need for that really. He's still undefeated in the UFC but we all know he would not be the favourite if he's matched against Khamzat (or Islam if he moves up the weight class), that's why he's looking for a safer and better paid option of fighting Alex Pereira.
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Post by: electronicash on February 09, 2025, 02:28:25 PM

i didn't bet on this fight because i saw tokeweed been sensing an upset lol which is why i also didn't watch the fights. but as expected DDP made it again. i might just watch it tomorrow. Zhang been expected also to win although she isn't really good in defense but in striking she is wilder.

i just look at the wiki on ufc 312,  most of the fights are UD. not so explosive. only the real fan of mma and practice mma can appreciate watching UD fights. i'm more interested on KO fights.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 09, 2025, 05:54:04 PM
I've seen a comment on X by one of Sean's fans saying that Sean doesn't fight, he spars. I think there's a lot of truth to that. Strickland is known for sparring very often and that's not necessarily a good thing. In sparring, you don't go full power, you don't explode and not trying to actually hurt your opponents. By doing that almost every day, he might have conditioned himself to transfer the same approach to real fights.
But it's not the end of the world for Sean. At least he didn't get finished like most of the previous DDP's opponents, and he could use that broken nose as an excuse to some degree.

As for Du Plessis, I see that in the post-fight conference he said Khamzat is next and that he wants to fight the best to leave no doubt that he's a true champ. That man really deserves all the respect.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on February 09, 2025, 07:05:32 PM
I've seen a comment on X by one of Sean's fans saying that Sean doesn't fight, he spars. I think there's a lot of truth to that. Strickland is known for sparring very often and that's not necessarily a good thing. In sparring, you don't go full power, you don't explode and not trying to actually hurt your opponents. By doing that almost every day, he might have conditioned himself to transfer the same approach to real fights.
But it's not the end of the world for Sean. At least he didn't get finished like most of the previous DDP's opponents, and he could use that broken nose as an excuse to some degree.

As for Du Plessis, I see that in the post-fight conference he said Khamzat is next and that he wants to fight the best to leave no doubt that he's a true champ. That man really deserves all the respect.

i watched youtube videos of thier fight. dricus is the busiest among the two from spinning fist to elbows and then head kick as well while sean just kept the defensive stance.

if dricus is going to fight khamzat, it might just be his last title defense fight as well. khamzat will rag doll dricus like how khamzat did to his opponents. khamzat can do better what dricus could do.

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Post by: pawel7777 on February 12, 2025, 11:17:50 PM
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if dricus is going to fight khamzat, it might just be his last title defense fight as well. khamzat will rag doll dricus like how khamzat did to his opponents. khamzat can do better what dricus could do.

I too think that Chimaev will be the favourite, but Du Plessis seems confident in his skills. I don't think it will be as easy fight for Khamzat as the Whittaker one. Dricus is probably the strongest guy in the division.

On another subject, Michael Chandler is calling out Paddy Pimblett:
https://www.si.com/fannation/mma/news/michael-chandler-calls-out-paddy-pimblett-ufc-international-fight-week
After Poirier rejected Paddy as his final opponent before his retirement, Chandler jumped in and called Paddy out. That's a match-up that I'd like to see. It's a good deal for both of them. Chandler is coming off two consecutive losses, so has to fight down, and Paddy is the biggest name among all the guys ranked below Chandler.
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Post by: electronicash on February 13, 2025, 06:48:11 PM

an upset can happen of course but i would bet khamzat will have to go for the takedown in the earlier rounds. this could be his only way to enforce his control.

dricus escaping these TDs will be good for him. but it may not take long that they will have to grapple and one of them will be dominant. my take is khamzat. he gets more aggressive on ground games,
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 16, 2025, 11:24:48 PM
In the main fight of this weekend's event, Jared Cannonier defeated Gregory Rodrigues by TKO in rd 4.
It was a big win by Jared. The fight was the opposite of what I expected to happen. I thought, due to his age, Jared would press hard in round 1 and gas out in later rounds, but it was him who almost got finished in round 1 but bounced back nicely and finished Rodrigues in round 4. I don't think it would make any impact on his rating, as Rodrigues was unranked, but he made a statement that he still has what it takes to compete on the highest level and he can give a good show.
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Post by: electronicash on February 18, 2025, 07:21:47 PM
In the main fight of this weekend's event, Jared Cannonier defeated Gregory Rodrigues by TKO in rd 4.
It was a big win by Jared. The fight was the opposite of what I expected to happen. I thought, due to his age, Jared would press hard in round 1 and gas out in later rounds, but it was him who almost got finished in round 1 but bounced back nicely and finished Rodrigues in round 4. I don't think it would make any impact on his rating, as Rodrigues was unranked, but he made a statement that he still has what it takes to compete on the highest level and he can give a good show.

there must have been bettors who double down when they saw the first round was won by Rodrigues. he seem to be the more dominant and then 3rd round came where it all began where Cannonier elbowed Rodrigues that went down. no one is probably winning in a parley. Cattar also lost.

UFC Fight Night: Cejudo vs. Song (also known as UFC Fight Night 252 and UFC on ESPN+ 110)  of Feb 23
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Cejudo_vs._Song

should you also expect an upset?  odd is 3.40 for Cejudo.  the most possible to happen for me is Yadong By Decision 2.20

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 19, 2025, 12:17:35 AM
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should you also expect an upset?  odd is 3.40 for Cejudo.  the most possible to happen for me is Yadong By Decision 2.20

I don't know about that. Bookies tend to favor younger fighters, perhaps a little bit too much, so you can often get a really good odds being on more experienced underdog.
But I wouldn't be putting my money on this one. Cejudo already announced his retirement, but came back only to lose to Aljo and Merab. I'm not convinced he still has a drive to compete and it could be that he just wants to earn a bit of extra money before it's too late.
Yadong is 11 years younger than Henry but actually has more fights on his record. He has 8 losses though, so it's not like he's some up-and-coming prodigy.
It's a fight that anything can happen, but it going to the distance is the most likely outcome.
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Post by: electronicash on February 19, 2025, 05:40:09 PM

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should you also expect an upset?  odd is 3.40 for Cejudo.  the most possible to happen for me is Yadong By Decision 2.20

I don't know about that. Bookies tend to favor younger fighters, perhaps a little bit too much, so you can often get a really good odds being on more experienced underdog.
But I wouldn't be putting my money on this one. Cejudo already announced his retirement, but came back only to lose to Aljo and Merab. I'm not convinced he still has a drive to compete and it could be that he just wants to earn a bit of extra money before it's too late.
Yadong is 11 years younger than Henry but actually has more fights on his record. He has 8 losses though, so it's not like he's some up-and-coming prodigy.
It's a fight that anything can happen, but it going to the distance is the most likely outcome.

i'd hate to see a old fighter retiring where his last fight is his last loss in the most embarrassing KO. if i were to make things happen i would try fixing the fight and make Cejudo win/loss in a UD. but of course i'm not Mr white.

there was once in Cejudo's career where he was the highest paid athlete in UFC afaik. he is a hall of famer as he was once a fly and bantamweight champ. that's gotta be something to value.
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Post by: Zed0X on February 19, 2025, 10:37:12 PM
^ I think the odds are just fair. Cejudo is already on a decline and a gatekeeper for the younger fighters to 'step on'. I don't know about the match up though because it seems a battle between two countries that 'hate' each other ;D Maybe something is arranged here so as not to embarrass the great murica?
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Post by: electronicash on February 20, 2025, 05:22:35 PM
^ I think the odds are just fair. Cejudo is already on a decline and a gatekeeper for the younger fighters to 'step on'. I don't know about the match up though because it seems a battle between two countries that 'hate' each other ;D Maybe something is arranged here so as not to embarrass the great murica?

fix fights are not so obvious but maybe they can do it in a fight where one is clearly no chance. but Cejudo is one heck of a fighter in his days where he defeated Dillashaw and Mighty Mouse. if he loses,  he does have another career besides being a fighter, he is a trainer afaik. he won't end up like Tony or Alistair.

whichever his last fight ends i guess he can accept it. i read this is his last fight under his current UFC contract.
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 21, 2025, 01:10:25 AM
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/02/21/qIgF9.png)

Belal posted this earlier today and looks like it's all confirmed. Maddalena will get his title shot on 10th May in Montreal.
Maddalena is currently ranked 4th so he's good enough to get a chance. I was surprised by that as I thought Shavkat is next in line, but now I read Shavkat is injured and won't be ready for May:
https://x.com/Rakhmonov1994/status/1892424493433573562

He says he'll face the winner later this year. If so, this sounds good to me.
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Post by: pawel7777 on February 21, 2025, 06:32:00 PM
It's official now. Ilia Topuria vacated his belt and is moving up to the lightweight.
https://bloodyelbow.com/2025/02/20/ilia-topuria-officially-vacates-featherweight-title-with-islam-makhachev-clash-reportedly-in-the-works/

That's a bold move. Dana wasn't very keen on letting him jump up to challenge Islam, so he left him no choice and vacated his belt. Weight cutting is a pain but I don't believe that was the main reason, Topuria is not particularly big featherweight and I don't think he ever missed weight. The truth is, he'll make much more money fighting anyone from the top 10 of the lightweight than he would for defending the featherweight belt. And fight with Islam could be the fight of his life, I'm glad he went for it.
My first thought when I heard the news was that the UFC will make him fight someone else from the lightweight before allowing him to have a shot for the belt, but the media are reporting that Islam Vs Topuria is already in the works.
Frankly, I don't see any other worthy contenders for Islam right now. Tsarukyan had his chance but blew it and won't be considered anytime soon. I just hope Islam doesn't do the same stunt and doesn't vacate his belt to move to the middleweight to fight Dricus lol
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on February 21, 2025, 06:46:14 PM
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Belal posted this earlier today and looks like it's all confirmed. Maddalena will get his title shot on 10th May in Montreal.
Maddalena is currently ranked 4th so he's good enough to get a chance. I was surprised by that as I thought Shavkat is next in line, but now I read Shavkat is injured and won't be ready for May:
https://x.com/Rakhmonov1994/status/1892424493433573562

He says he'll face the winner later this year. If so, this sounds good to me.

the last time they were suppose to fight in  UFC10 Belal wasn't able to make it because of his foot injury so instead Shavkat fought against Ian Gary Machado. this time around its Shavkat who isn't available because of an injury so Belal has to fight Maddalena.

These 2 Shavkat and Belal are just trying to go around so they can find interesting match ups in the welterweight division while there is no one else left in the lightweight they could find to fight Islam. it make sense to bring someone from featherweight like Tuporia.

Tuporia losing against Islam means Tuporia could fight  Poirier, Gaethje and Oliveira.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 23, 2025, 11:12:46 PM
the last time they were suppose to fight in  UFC10 Belal wasn't able to make it because of his foot injury so instead Shavkat fought against Ian Gary Machado. this time around its Shavkat who isn't available because of an injury so Belal has to fight Maddalena.

Yeah, unfortunately, this means that Shavkat will have around 1 year break. Partially because of the injury and partially because he will have to wait for Belal (or Maddalena) probably till at least Nov/Dec, as I don't expect he would risk his number 1 contender position to fight anyone else.

(...)
Tuporia losing against Islam means Tuporia could fight  Poirier, Gaethje and Oliveira.
In case of failure, he could always go back to featherweight, but lightweight has the best paydays.

btw I've just learned Gaethje is fighting Hooker soon, on March 9th, it should be a good one.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on February 24, 2025, 04:43:44 PM

it only appears like UFC don't want Shavkat to be the champ yet. but instead they want Maddalena to be the champ first. i'm almost certain Belal will be the underdog and not win against Maddalena.

Maddalena wins then they will hype his fight with Kamaru or Brady and still Shavkay will stay in the rank. you could say he is treated unfairly not getting the belt all because he is too young to be a champ and might stay as champ as he could fight which will make the division boring.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on February 26, 2025, 07:52:28 PM

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UFC Fight Night: Kape vs. Almabayev
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Kape_vs._Almabayev

Flyweight    Manel Kape    vs.    Asu Almabayev             
Middleweight    Cody Brundage    vs.    Julian Marquez             
Lightweight    Nasrat Haqparast    vs.    Esteban Ribovics             
Featherweight    Hyder Amil    vs.    William Gomis             
Welterweight    Danny Barlow    vs.    Sam Patterson       
      
Preliminary card (ESPN+)
Heavyweight    Austen Lane    vs.    Mário Pinto             
Featherweight    Ricardo Ramos    vs.    Chepe Mariscal             
Bantamweight    Douglas Silva de Andrade    vs.    John Castañeda             
Featherweight    Danny Silva    vs.    Lucas Almeida             
Women's Flyweight    Andrea Lee    vs.    JJ Aldrich             
Flyweight    Charles Johnson    vs.    Ramazan Temirov             
Women's Flyweight    Montana De La Rosa    vs.    Luana Carolina

the next fight night is full of names i don't know but Manel Kape. his opponent isn't really a veteran in UFC but seem like they both have substantial experience in MMA and also a top fighter in their weightclass.

my analysis is that if Manel Kape didn't make it with Mokaev, he may not also defeat this Asu Almabayev. cool to see underdogs wins against a top fighter.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on February 27, 2025, 12:15:30 AM
Dan Hooker pulled out of the UFC 313 due to injury and now the UFC is looking for a new opponent for Gaethje.
Some are suggesting Arman Tsarukyan, and I think it would be a good fight, but I'm not sure if Arman: a) would take such fight at all on such short notice; b) would be able to make the weight after he (allegedly) failed to do that the last time.
Some fighters already posted on social media offering themselves as replacements: Moicano, Fiziev and Gamrot. I'd be happy with either of them, as long as the fight doesn't get cancelled.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on February 27, 2025, 06:22:17 PM
Dan Hooker pulled out of the UFC 313 due to injury and now the UFC is looking for a new opponent for Gaethje.
Some are suggesting Arman Tsarukyan, and I think it would be a good fight, but I'm not sure if Arman: a) would take such fight at all on such short notice; b) would be able to make the weight after he (allegedly) failed to do that the last time.
Some fighters already posted on social media offering themselves as replacements: Moicano, Fiziev and Gamrot. I'd be happy with either of them, as long as the fight doesn't get cancelled.

its on the news its Rafael Fiziev to replace Hooker.  Fiziev isn't a very experienced than Gaethje and they fought before which Gaethje won. but who knows what could happen, i'm sure that last KO of Gaethje has traumatized him that every time someone throw a fist at him he'd be ducking his head.

i could bet on an upset which Gaethje might feel like he is being the target in a whackamole.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 01, 2025, 02:00:54 PM
its on the news its Rafael Fiziev to replace Hooker.  Fiziev isn't a very experienced than Gaethje and they fought before which Gaethje won. but who knows what could happen, i'm sure that last KO of Gaethje has traumatized him that every time someone throw a fist at him he'd be ducking his head.

i could bet on an upset which Gaethje might feel like he is being the target in a whackamole.

Yup, I've learned about that yesterday. Fiziev should be a decent replacement.

I'm surprised to see Fiziev as a favourite, I would think the odds should be the other way around. But I guess bookies factored in the bad KO that Justin suffered in his last fight and maybe they expect a little bit of decline in his performance since their last fight in March 2023, which was fairly even, given he's 36 now.

Here are the odds for the event (per DuelBits):

Djorden Santos x1.55 Vs Osman Díaz x2.45
Mairon Santos x1.28 Vs Francis Marshall x3.75
Alex Morono x5.33 Vs Carlos Miranda x1.16
Joshua van x1.52 Vs Rei Tsuruya x2.57
Brunno Ferreira x2.12 Vs Armen Petrosyan x1.73
Curtis Blaydes x1.30 Vs Rizvan Kuniev x3.60
Justin Gaethje x2.05 Vs Rafael Fiziev x1.76
Amanda Lemos x2.00 Vs Jasmin Lucindo x1.81
Jaim Turner x1.90 Vs Ignacio Bahamondes x1.90
Alex Pereira x1.84 Vs Magomed Ankalaev x1.96
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 02, 2025, 08:44:23 PM

although 36 isn't so old, he is fighting a younger one. looks fair for both to fight again and its possible that Fiziev will win.
Alex Pereira  is much older than them but still kicking asses. there is a chance though that he might not win vs  Ankalaev we can see it on the odds. UFC 313 has great fights in there.

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Curtis Blaydes x1.30 Vs Rizvan Kuniev x3.60

this one looks like an easy fight for Blaydes.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 05, 2025, 11:31:05 PM
To my surprise, Ankalaev announced in an interview that he will not strictly obey the ramadan rules and will make the exception for the UFC 313:
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2025/03/ufc-313-magomed-ankalaev-ramadan-fasting-fight-week

If someone was going to bet on Pereira on the assumption that Ankalaev would be weakened and disadvantaged by fasting, it's time to reconsider.
I still think Alex should be a favourite as Ankalaev wrestling might be vastly overrated.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 06, 2025, 06:04:26 PM
To my surprise, Ankalaev announced in an interview that he will not strictly obey the ramadan rules and will make the exception for the UFC 313:
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2025/03/ufc-313-magomed-ankalaev-ramadan-fasting-fight-week

If someone was going to bet on Pereira on the assumption that Ankalaev would be weakened and disadvantaged by fasting, it's time to reconsider.
I still think Alex should be a favourite as Ankalaev wrestling might be vastly overrated.

i think the Muslim community will reconsider his situation. it can't be good as an excuse if he loses.

we all know pereiera is at his disadvantage if Ankalev will grapple him, pereira will be like fish out of the water mounted by Ankalev. in his first MMA fight, pereira looks like a newbie who doesn't know what to do and he will be in this situation again if he hasn't learn to protect himself in wrestling.


Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 06, 2025, 07:18:28 PM
Gentlemen, all your financial problems are about to be solved.
Due to some glitch in the matrix, Google has accidently leaked the results of the UFC 313:

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credit to: https://x.com/GeneralCovMMA/status/1897124319026884819

With that parlay you could turn $1 to over $1 million.
Seems legit. Especially Alex Pereira winning by submission in round 2.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 06, 2025, 08:16:19 PM

if this glitch actually happens this sunday, i would really think someone up there had programmed all the things that is happening in our lives including the things i have been writing in this forum. and google found that guy up there  ;D

pereira had never submitted anyone. it would be the first. even when ankalaev they say is a great wrestler, he doesn't' have a good number of submission wins. but knowing he is a dagestan i think is enough of an information to the people.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: Zed0X on March 06, 2025, 11:48:33 PM
That 'glitch' gave me a good laugh ;D Respect to him for developing his ground game mainly utilized for defense but Alex winning by submission against Ankalev would be like the unexpected of all the unexpected. Everybody would go crazy if that actually happens in their fight.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 07, 2025, 12:46:26 AM
That 'glitch' gave me a good laugh ;D Respect to him for developing his ground game mainly utilized for defense but Alex winning by submission against Ankalev would be like the unexpected of all the unexpected. Everybody would go crazy if that actually happens in their fight.

People like to pigeon-hole fighters as strikers, grapplers etc, but the truth is, at this level, Pereira is no stranger to the ground game and submissions. Everybody knew that was his weakness when he joined the UFC, so he surely was putting a lot of focus in his training to work on that.
Plus, I think Ankalaev's grappling skills are overrated. If Alex could deal enough damage in the stand-up, he could've as well finish him off by a simple submission like a rear-naked choke etc.
But lets not bet our money on that :)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 07, 2025, 06:59:28 PM
That 'glitch' gave me a good laugh ;D Respect to him for developing his ground game mainly utilized for defense but Alex winning by submission against Ankalev would be like the unexpected of all the unexpected. Everybody would go crazy if that actually happens in their fight.

People like to pigeon-hole fighters as strikers, grapplers etc, but the truth is, at this level, Pereira is no stranger to the ground game and submissions. Everybody knew that was his weakness when he joined the UFC, so he surely was putting a lot of focus in his training to work on that.
Plus, I think Ankalaev's grappling skills are overrated. If Alex could deal enough damage in the stand-up, he could've as well finish him off by a simple submission like a rear-naked choke etc.
But lets not bet our money on that :)

good for him if he can do that. submission may just be impossible but given the chance i think he could do it after all he is fighting someone who might not be eating enough in respect for their belief.

i don't get pereira, why was he angry about the question that he works on a tireshop. he wasn't robbing anyone by working in a tireshop. if it supported him and his family, there is never to be angry about it. it only looks like his enemies has something to make him annoy.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: 0t3p0t on March 07, 2025, 07:43:29 PM
That 'glitch' gave me a good laugh ;D Respect to him for developing his ground game mainly utilized for defense but Alex winning by submission against Ankalev would be like the unexpected of all the unexpected. Everybody would go crazy if that actually happens in their fight.
Yeah since he is a knockout artist not on submission techniques though both of them has striking capabilities but I am wondering who's who here the nonchalant guy Pereira or the energetic striker Ankalaev? This fight is exciting and surely intense.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 07, 2025, 09:26:40 PM
Allegedly, Dana White said that he's looking to organise the Jones Vs Aspinall sometime in the summer:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/ufc/jon-jones-tom-aspinall-date-dana-white-b2710014.html

I'm still interested to see Jones fighting Tom, but time does not work in his favour. He hinted that he might retire too many times, and he only had tow fights in over 5 years, so people started perceiving him as a semi-retiree. He's not really doing his part in keeping the hype alive.
But if it doesn't happen this summer and if they again drag things for too long, the interest could die off, and none of the parties will be seeing the profits they are expecting.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 08, 2025, 05:28:38 PM
Just dropping the odds for the main card of tonight's event (UFC 313):

Green, King x4.50 Vs Ruffy, Mauricio x1.20
Lemos, Amanda x2.14 Vs Lucindo, Jasmin x1.71
Turner, Jalin x2.08 Vs Bahamondes, Ignacio x1.75
Gaethje, Justin x2.28 Vs Fiziev, Rafael x1.64
Pereira, Alex x1.75 Vs Ankalaev, Magomed x2.00

Of all of the above, I think Gaethje could be a good bet. For betting on Gaethje winning by KO, which I think is quite likely, you can get odds of x4.60
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 10, 2025, 08:41:08 PM

^
Ankalaev scored a combo that stunned Poatan. and i think he deserves the win although some people are expecting more from the fight. they hyped the fight and put Ankalev to his disadvantage due to Ramadan yet he still won. he could be more ready if it wasn't Ramadan.

Allegedly, Dana White said that he's looking to organise the Jones Vs Aspinall sometime in the summer:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/ufc/jon-jones-tom-aspinall-date-dana-white-b2710014.html

I'm still interested to see Jones fighting Tom, but time does not work in his favour. He hinted that he might retire too many times, and he only had tow fights in over 5 years, so people started perceiving him as a semi-retiree. He's not really doing his part in keeping the hype alive.
But if it doesn't happen this summer and if they again drag things for too long, the interest could die off, and none of the parties will be seeing the profits they are expecting.

Dana is friend with Turki. i think Turki could finance this fight just for it to happen as fan's suggests. it only needs money for this fight to take place.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 11, 2025, 10:33:24 PM
Yup, it was a horrible night for Dana White and the UFC. Their golden goose got dethroned by a non-exciting fighter with no hype potential, but they had no choice and had to give Ankalaev a shot at the belt.
The fight was a bit disappointing, both sides were risk-averse and tried to play it safe. As I expected, Ankalaev didn't show much in terms of his (alleged) wrestling skills, but, surprisingly, he did outstrike Alex and there was no controversy in the decision.

Are they going to do an immediate rematch? Possibly. Prochazka could get the next shot, but that would mean that Alex would have to take a break or fight some lower calibre fighter.

And let's not forget that Blachowicz is returning after an injury to fight Ulberg on the 22nd March. He's not a favourite due to his age, but if he wins, he might get a chance to fight either Ankalaev or Pereira. He already caused troubles to both of them: he nearly finished Ankalaev but ran out of steam and the fight ended with a draw, and he lost by a split decision to Alex.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 12, 2025, 08:00:36 PM

Blacho is already old, i don't think he still can handle a fight at least not for an active fighter like Alex. Jiri also lost twice in a worse way. I don't think he will have a rematch with Alex as so is Jahamal. But these guys are younger and if ever Alex is already at his decline, UFC might try young ones to fight Alex again.


Anaklaev may still win like a champ in an immediate rematch to Alex. by then Ankalaev will be challenged by will always be winning from now on. He is still young.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 12, 2025, 11:29:27 PM
Blacho is already old, i don't think he still can handle a fight at least not for an active fighter like Alex. Jiri also lost twice in a worse way. I don't think he will have a rematch with Alex as so is Jahamal. But these guys are younger and if ever Alex is already at his decline, UFC might try young ones to fight Alex again.

Yup, Jan is way past his prime, but that was also true when he fought Ankalaev and Alex, but he did much better against them than all the other fighters.
He's an underdog against Ulberg, but if he were to win in a convincing fashion he could be considered to fight for the belt for the last time. I think Glover was of a similar age when he won the belt back in 2021.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 13, 2025, 07:40:25 PM
Blacho is already old, i don't think he still can handle a fight at least not for an active fighter like Alex. Jiri also lost twice in a worse way. I don't think he will have a rematch with Alex as so is Jahamal. But these guys are younger and if ever Alex is already at his decline, UFC might try young ones to fight Alex again.

Yup, Jan is way past his prime, but that was also true when he fought Ankalaev and Alex, but he did much better against them than all the other fighters.
He's an underdog against Ulberg, but if he were to win in a convincing fashion he could be considered to fight for the belt for the last time. I think Glover was of a similar age when he won the belt back in 2021.

considering how big Jan is, he dwarf Adesanya despite moving up. depends on UFC on what to do with these guys. they say Ankalaev winning as the champ in the LH has messed up Dana's plan so now the division will need to find someone younger and as sturdy as Pereira.

Ankalaev id not easy to defeat and he might just stay as a champ for a long time while not easy to sell his name to hype a match.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 13, 2025, 11:32:27 PM
considering how big Jan is, he dwarf Adesanya despite moving up. depends on UFC on what to do with these guys. they say Ankalaev winning as the champ in the LH has messed up Dana's plan so now the division will need to find someone younger and as sturdy as Pereira.

Ankalaev id not easy to defeat and he might just stay as a champ for a long time while not easy to sell his name to hype a match.

Yeah, Pereira is (I think) 37 already, so he has maybe like 2 years left to perform on the highest level, so they do need to find a few younger and interesting fighters to keep the division going. I think Prochazka could be a good replacement if he improves his style a little bit. He's entertaining and has a great finish ratio: out of his 31 wins, only one was by decision, which is rare at this level.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 14, 2025, 09:14:25 PM
considering how big Jan is, he dwarf Adesanya despite moving up. depends on UFC on what to do with these guys. they say Ankalaev winning as the champ in the LH has messed up Dana's plan so now the division will need to find someone younger and as sturdy as Pereira.

Ankalaev id not easy to defeat and he might just stay as a champ for a long time while not easy to sell his name to hype a match.

Yeah, Pereira is (I think) 37 already, so he has maybe like 2 years left to perform on the highest level, so they do need to find a few younger and interesting fighters to keep the division going. I think Prochazka could be a good replacement if he improves his style a little bit. He's entertaining and has a great finish ratio: out of his 31 wins, only one was by decision, which is rare at this level.

what i think UFC would do is promote Ankalaev, make him look good to the fans as if he manages to win by all his might and struggle amidst the fight while stomack is empty and won. Ankalaev being a hero in Dagenstans like Islam or Kabib will be a good promotion.

its all just a game for Dana. it may look as if he was furious of the result but sooner a strategy comes up and everything better again. he knows Ankalaev is hard to defeat. but yes a rematch with Pereira would be nice.

or give Jiri a tune up fight against the entertainer Johnny Walker and i think Jiri will be ready for a title fight against Ankalaev.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 15, 2025, 12:48:54 PM
what i think UFC would do is promote Ankalaev, make him look good to the fans as if he manages to win by all his might and struggle amidst the fight while stomack is empty and won. Ankalaev being a hero in Dagenstans like Islam or Kabib will be a good promotion.

its all just a game for Dana. it may look as if he was furious of the result but sooner a strategy comes up and everything better again. he knows Ankalaev is hard to defeat. but yes a rematch with Pereira would be nice.

or give Jiri a tune up fight against the entertainer Johnny Walker and i think Jiri will be ready for a title fight against Ankalaev.

Ankalaev would need to do more work himself and I think he was already starting some beefs with other fighters on social media, that's a good start lol
Personally, I'm perfectly happy with fighters being there mostly for the sport and less for the hype and money.

As for Jiri, he's already a number 2 contender and has won his last fight, so he's most likely to get a next shot at the title should the UFC choose not to go with a rematch with Alex (but I think they will)


The fixtures and odds for tonight event's main card are:

Choi, Seungwoo x5.00 Vs Vallejos, Kevin x1.17
Nurgozhay, Diyar x1.25 Vs Ribeiro, Brendson x4.00
Blackshear, Damon x1.23 Vs Gibson, Cody x4.20
Hernandez, Alexander x1.44 Vs Holobaugh, Kurt x2.80
Njokuani, Chidi x2.66 Vs Zaleski Dos Santos, Elizeu x1.48
Vettori, Marvin x1.62 Vs Dolidze, Roman x2.30

As for the main event, I agree with Vettori being a favourite, as he's younger and has already defeated Dolidze once before, back in 2023, but he had a long break, so who knows how that will affect his performance. And if he wins, it'll most likely be by decision, as he hasn't finished anyone off since 2020.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 16, 2025, 02:30:06 PM

Jiri calls for 3rd match to Pereira after his last fight where he won.  now that Pereira isn't the champ i think Dana will allow it unless he prefers to Jiri to fight Ankalaev

UFC Vegas 104 has lots of badass KOs and submission. i have not seen the prelims but its what on the wiki. only the main event is disappointing a bit and the co main event Njokuani is dirty fighter. but still he is a powerful one.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 18, 2025, 11:09:30 PM
Jiri calls for 3rd match to Pereira after his last fight where he won.  now that Pereira isn't the champ i think Dana will allow it unless he prefers to Jiri to fight Ankalaev

That's an odd call. I think he Jiri would have a better chance of getting a fight against Ankalaev, unless he doesn't want to fight him and prefer Alex, which could be more profitable despite no belt being on the line.

In other news, there are some mentions between the UFC and the ESPN. The situation is explained here in a bit more detail:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/ufc/ufc-espn-netflix-ppv-tko-b2716497.html
Essentially it's not just the UFC being displeased with the ESPN, but the ESPN is also not happy with the PPV results. If both parties are not happy with what they're getting, I think it's more likely than not that they will part ways.
But if the UFC moves to Netflix, they'll likely have to change their business model and ditch PPV, as I can't imagine Netflix would implement that just for them.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 20, 2025, 08:06:28 PM
Jiri calls for 3rd match to Pereira after his last fight where he won.  now that Pereira isn't the champ i think Dana will allow it unless he prefers to Jiri to fight Ankalaev

That's an odd call. I think he Jiri would have a better chance of getting a fight against Ankalaev, unless he doesn't want to fight him and prefer Alex, which could be more profitable despite no belt being on the line.

In other news, there are some mentions between the UFC and the ESPN. The situation is explained here in a bit more detail:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/ufc/ufc-espn-netflix-ppv-tko-b2716497.html
Essentially it's not just the UFC being displeased with the ESPN, but the ESPN is also not happy with the PPV results. If both parties are not happy with what they're getting, I think it's more likely than not that they will part ways.
But if the UFC moves to Netflix, they'll likely have to change their business model and ditch PPV, as I can't imagine Netflix would implement that just for them.

people today need fights that can make them excited. siince they see already that Jiri has no match to Alex twice, its enough. it doesn't make people feel the thrill anymore.

Alex vs Ankalaev probably didn't see as well thats why ppv got mad. if Dana just listen t the request about Jones vs Aspinall, it might save the partnership. but don't you think netflix will do better for UFC?  showing their mini series in UFC will make it bigger. plus the fights every weekends.



Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on March 20, 2025, 10:34:52 PM
(...) if Dana just listen t the request about Jones vs Aspinall, it might save the partnership.(...)

I think they're looking to make it happen this summer. I think that's what Dana White said not too long ago.

All fights + odds for the main card:

Wood, Nathaniel x2.25 Vs Chamere, Morgan x1.64
Vucenic, Jordan x1.23 Vs Duncan, Christopher x4.20
McCann, Molly x2.62 Vs Thainara, Alexia x1.48
Nelson, Gunnar x1.75 Vs Holland, Kevin x2.08
Blachowicz, Jan x3.33 Vs Ulberg, Carlos x1.33
Edwards, Leon x2.33 Vs Brady, Sean x1.61

Talking about good odds. Any thoughts on x2.33 for Edwards? I was kind of surprised to see him as an underdog. He's fighting at home and is rightfully ranked higher than Brady. Both only lost to Belal in their most recent fight history, Edwards by decision, Brady by KO (in 2022).
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on March 24, 2025, 08:38:08 PM

Hollands fight was the most entertaining among them. even down the ground, he still throw hammer fist upwards.

the rest of the fights are stressful to watch especially Leon Edwards vs Sean Brady.  Brady dominates the fight but wasn't making a bog shot that rocks Leon. but i understand he isn't a KO puncher. Leon doesn't look like in the mood to fight  ;D
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Post by: pawel7777 on March 25, 2025, 11:07:12 PM
Hollands fight was the most entertaining among them. even down the ground, he still throw hammer fist upwards.

Yup, Holland was a slight underdog but he did his homework and showed up prepared. He's always an entertaining guy to watch.

The UFC has updated their ranking. In the light heavyweight division, Carlos Ulberg took over Blachowicz's 3rd spot and Jan dropped to 5th. I think the Ankalaev-Pereira rematch is most likely to happen. if Alex wins, maybe they would give him Ulberg next, as he looks like a comfy opponent for Alex. If Ankalaev defends his belt, I think Prochazka would get another shot, but maybe the UFC will match Jiri Vs Ulberg for the top contender spot. That would also be a good fight.

In the welterweight, Sean Brady is now a number one contender, which is not something I agree with, I think that spot belongs to Shavkat.

For some reason, they moved Dustin Poirier down by one place and moved Max Holloway up in the lightweight. I don't quite understand why.

https://www.ufc.com/rankings
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Post by: electronicash on March 26, 2025, 08:41:44 PM

Shavkat will have his time being a champ. maybe UFC couldn't bear someone up there on top  who will stay on top for a long time because they are young like Shavkat.

Alex was a good example for it. they managed to make him a champion for a while and avoid to match him against a fighter who can grapple him to the ground. but still Dana wants Alex to be the champ because people loves seeing a KO puncher.

Jiri I think will defeat Ankalaev if they ever fight. it will short lived Ankalaev champ status.
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Post by: pawel7777 on March 26, 2025, 11:26:26 PM
Jiri I think will defeat Ankalaev if they ever fight. it will short lived Ankalaev champ status.

I think so too. Ankalaev would most likely be a favourite against Jiri, but my money would go on Jiri. I think Ankalaev's grappling game is probably much overrated and Prochazka did pretty well against Teixeira who had a solid ground game (a former member of the Brazilian National Wrestling Team).

But I think Alex will get a remath. It's pretty evident that he's aiming to have at least 3 fights a year to milk his popularity while he can. It seems like all 3 parties (Pereira, Ankalaev and the UFC) want the rematch to happen.
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Post by: electronicash on March 27, 2025, 08:43:09 PM
Jiri I think will defeat Ankalaev if they ever fight. it will short lived Ankalaev champ status.

I think so too. Ankalaev would most likely be a favourite against Jiri, but my money would go on Jiri. I think Ankalaev's grappling game is probably much overrated and Prochazka did pretty well against Teixeira who had a solid ground game (a former member of the Brazilian National Wrestling Team).

But I think Alex will get a remath. It's pretty evident that he's aiming to have at least 3 fights a year to milk his popularity while he can. It seems like all 3 parties (Pereira, Ankalaev and the UFC) want the rematch to happen.

if they plan a trilogy therefore in the 2nd fight it will Alex who will win for it to have another match. that's a nice tip to bet.

on the UFC FN Moreno vs. Erceg this weekend, i think Moreno will win this. if he had survived Royval in a split decision, he may also be harder compare to Erceg. i'd like to parlay but the rest of the matches are very uncertain except Raul Rosas which seem to be a giveaway win for this kid.
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Post by: pawel7777 on March 28, 2025, 09:46:13 PM
Odds for tomorrow night's main card:

Ronaldo Rodriguez, Luis x1.64 Vs Borjas, Kevin x2.25
Martinez, David x1.22 Vs Oliveira, Salimon x4.25
Rosas Jr, Raul x1.20 Vs Morales, Vince x4.50
Gastelum, Kelvin x3.40 Vs Pyfer, Joe x1.32
Torres, Manuel x1.96 Vs Dober, Drew x1.84
Moreno, Brandon x1.38 Vs Erceg, Steve x3.00

I think Steve Erceg can make a surprise and win against Moreno. Erceg is coming off two consecutive losses (to Pantoja and Kara-France) but, before that, he was looking really good with 11 straight wins and a good finish ratio.

Torres Vs Dober could be a good one. I don't know much about Torres, but Dober has a heart and always puts up a good show even if he ends up losing. He's a little bit like lower-ranked Michael Chandler.
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Post by: electronicash on March 29, 2025, 08:53:50 PM

Moreno kicked Kai Kara's ass while Kai KO'd Erceg. it couldn't be a the basis of this bet but seem like Kai is the most experience between the 3. Monero though have been a flyweight champion and defended the title several times, this guy have been pressured for a long time and got used to it with Figueiredo.

there as a video about Erceg being a good boxer actually.  if he could just be that technical all the time, he may possibly win. Figue is Moreno's rival for awhile.  Erceg has to mimic Figue
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 03, 2025, 05:57:40 PM
Yup, Erceg gave a decent fight and had his moments, but Moreno was simply better in all aspects. Who knows, he might get another shot at the belt against Pantoja. He lost to him by a split decision back in July 2023, so rematch is more than justified.

Full set of the main card results:
Flyweight   Brandon Moreno   def.   Steve Erceg   Decision (unanimous)
Lightweight   Manuel Torres   def.   Drew Dober   TKO (punches)
Flyweight   Édgar Cháirez   def.   C.J. Vergara   Submission (face crank)
Bantamweight   Raul Rosas Jr.   def.   Vince Morales   Decision (unanimous)
Bantamweight   David Martínez   def.   Saimon Oliveira   TKO (knee and punches)
Catchweight (127 lb)   Kevin Borjas   def.   Ronaldo Rodríguez   Decision (unanimous)
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 03, 2025, 11:09:09 PM

Taira vs Moreno might have their fight first and whoever wins will get the 2nd shot. this is probably where Moreno will get another loss. i live seeing Taira fight. or it could be enough that Moreno can go ahead and fight Pantoja. its up to them.

the UFC 314 is an action pack. so much to watch out even if Volkanovski is already old, he seem capable till. Lopes however is one of the fighters that Dana s building up. Volkanovski has to save his dying career now, he has to win this. the good point is that this is not a short notice for Volknanovski.
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 04, 2025, 10:32:33 PM
Merab Dvalishvili Vs Sean O'Malley 2 has been confirmed for the UFC 316 on 7th June.

I don't know what changes will Sean make to his gameplan, but I don't expect the outcome will be much different than the last time. He will be looking for a KO, but Merab has never been KO'd in his professional career.

It will be a fun one to watch.
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Post by: electronicash on April 05, 2025, 10:36:03 PM
Merab Dvalishvili Vs Sean O'Malley 2 has been confirmed for the UFC 316 on 7th June.

I don't know what changes will Sean make to his gameplan, but I don't expect the outcome will be much different than the last time. He will be looking for a KO, but Merab has never been KO'd in his professional career.

It will be a fun one to watch.

they scheduled this too far ahead,  they really are conditioning Sean to win though. according to some articles Sean's surgery was successful and so he may be in his best when he fight again.

Omar would have been the biggest contender be Merab also beat him. it would have been fun to see Sean vs Omar also but they chose to seen Sean get his 2nd shot immediately. Omar would get his rematch too if the result is still the same in this Sean vs Merab rematch.
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 07, 2025, 10:58:55 PM
they scheduled this too far ahead,  they really are conditioning Sean to win though. according to some articles Sean's surgery was successful and so he may be in his best when he fight again.

I think the timing is what you'd expect. It's scheduled for 7th June, so only 2 months from now. Merab fought Umar less than 3 months ago, so it will be less than 5 months between those 2 fights. And O'Malley needed (or still needs) some time to recover from the surgery and to reinvent himself.
Odds are clearly in favor of Merab though: x1.33 Vs x3.33 for Sean. 
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Post by: electronicash on April 08, 2025, 11:14:17 PM
they scheduled this too far ahead,  they really are conditioning Sean to win though. according to some articles Sean's surgery was successful and so he may be in his best when he fight again.

I think the timing is what you'd expect. It's scheduled for 7th June, so only 2 months from now. Merab fought Umar less than 3 months ago, so it will be less than 5 months between those 2 fights. And O'Malley needed (or still needs) some time to recover from the surgery and to reinvent himself.
Odds are clearly in favor of Merab though: x1.33 Vs x3.33 for Sean. 


its not yet on Stake.  well bookmakers don't usually make mistakes on their odds. if its Merab going to win still, too bad for Suga. can't see Suga going to be make it to the top again. he won't even be winning against Umar too.

Dana must have felt bad that his dog only defended his title once and lost it because he risk Suga against Merab. i would risk a few USD for Suga to win though. maybe this time he knows what to do.

more exciting fights though are Volk vs Lopes and Chandler vs Paddy. it looks like Dana is out to remove the veterans out the way to welcome the young warriors.
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 08, 2025, 11:51:11 PM
its not yet on Stake.  well bookmakers don't usually make mistakes on their odds. if its Merab going to win still, too bad for Suga. can't see Suga going to be make it to the top again. he won't even be winning against Umar too.

The odds I quoted were from DuelBits. Sometimes it pays to bet early, as bookies who set the odds earlier than others could potentially misplace them. But I don't think that's the case here as these two have already fought against each other, so we know, more or less, what to expect.


Dana must have felt bad that his dog only defended his title once and lost it because he risk Suga against Merab. i would risk a few USD for Suga to win though. maybe this time he knows what to do.

Dana had no choice, he had to match Sean against one of the good grapplers/wrestlers. After he KO'd Aljo, matching him up against Merab might not have sound that risky at the time and, if I remember correctly, Sean was a favourite. But we all know how that ended.
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Post by: electronicash on April 09, 2025, 10:48:48 PM
its not yet on Stake.  well bookmakers don't usually make mistakes on their odds. if its Merab going to win still, too bad for Suga. can't see Suga going to be make it to the top again. he won't even be winning against Umar too.

The odds I quoted were from DuelBits. Sometimes it pays to bet early, as bookies who set the odds earlier than others could potentially misplace them. But I don't think that's the case here as these two have already fought against each other, so we know, more or less, what to expect.


Dana must have felt bad that his dog only defended his title once and lost it because he risk Suga against Merab. i would risk a few USD for Suga to win though. maybe this time he knows what to do.

Dana had no choice, he had to match Sean against one of the good grapplers/wrestlers. After he KO'd Aljo, matching him up against Merab might not have sound that risky at the time and, if I remember correctly, Sean was a favourite. But we all know how that ended.

rumor was that Dana also hated Aljo for not fighting Merab so he matched Suga vs Aljo.  he undermined Merab too much that it only hurt his money makers.  no one even ask for this rematch except Suga but because Dana is desperate to have a popular champ that everybody will cheer, he had to make this fight again hoping Suga will win.

if for instance Suga still loses this rematch. i think he will never be climbing up anymore. so this could be his last chance and Dana will throw him under the bus.



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Post by: pawel7777 on April 10, 2025, 11:51:39 PM
rumor was that Dana also hated Aljo for not fighting Merab so he matched Suga vs Aljo.  he undermined Merab too much that it only hurt his money makers.  no one even ask for this rematch except Suga but because Dana is desperate to have a popular champ that everybody will cheer, he had to make this fight again hoping Suga will win.
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I'm not sure about that, I think Merab might have outgrown O'Malley in hype/fame. He wasn't well-known to casual mma fans before their first fight, but his popularity spiked massively ever after. And the win against Umar proved he's a real deal and might be staying at the top for a while.


Odds for all main card fights:

Krylov, Nikita x1.54 Vs Reyes, Dominick x2.45
Mitchell, Bryce x2.80 Vs Silva, Jean x1.44
Rodriguez, Yair x1.50 Vs Freire, Patricio x2.62
Chandler, Michael x2.25 Vs Pimblett, Paddy x1.64
Volkanovski, Alex x1.76 Vs Lopes, Diego x2.08

I think that's a really good card. I wouldn't mind watching all of those fights in full, if time allows.
In terms of odds, I kind of expected Chandler Vs Paddy to be more even, but it's not a secret that odds makers prefer younger fighters, plus, Paddy did very well in his last fight against Bobby Green (I refuse to refer to him as "King").
I'm not sure what would be next for Chandler if he loses. He'll be 39 in two weeks, and he wouldn't be in a position to get any big money fights. So his options would be either hanging up the gloves or accepting fights with lower-ranked fighters (Gamrot, Fiziev, Dariush etc), and I don't think that's something he would be interested in.
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Post by: electronicash on April 11, 2025, 09:59:56 PM

UFC likes the top fighters to be a striker that can be explosive in the cage. one that can satisfy the imagination, Merab isn't a striker who could knockdown opponents to the ground. but sure he is becoming popular.

Chandler losing 3 in a row would be tragic for his career. its over and its very possible now because Paddy isn't the kind of a kid anymore. He is well rounded nowadays.
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 13, 2025, 12:07:11 AM
Chandler losing 3 in a row would be tragic for his career. its over and its very possible now because Paddy isn't the kind of a kid anymore. He is well rounded nowadays.

If he was to lose but after a good fight, he would still be getting offers, but it would have to be against guys ranked below him, meaning no more big money fights. And I just can't imagine Chandler would be willing to accept that, so, if he loses, it could be his last fight.
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Post by: Zed0X on April 13, 2025, 07:29:44 AM
^ Chandler was completely dominated by Paddy. He probably landed just one good punch and that's about it. I think he should follow Dustin's footstep of having a retirement fight before every young guy knocks him out and further tarnish his career.

For Paddy, looks like he's just one fight away of a title shot. It would have been nice if he and Ilia slugs it out in the octagon.
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Post by: bitbit97 on April 13, 2025, 03:50:03 PM
In UFC 314 there were fighters that came from other promotions, and there they were either champions or really top rank fighters. To bad all of them lost, and fighters that were champions are not as good as average UFC fighters. I have noticed that you discuss Michael Chandler and he is an example of a fighter that was «on top» in other promotion and shows «weak results» in UFC. I make me think that only those who start young in UFC have chances to become champions, but those who were fighting in other promotions and after years of being in prime moved to UFC, have chance only to show average results.
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Post by: electronicash on April 13, 2025, 07:17:32 PM
In UFC 314 there were fighters that came from other promotions, and there they were either champions or really top rank fighters. To bad all of them lost, and fighters that were champions are not as good as average UFC fighters. I have noticed that you discuss Michael Chandler and he is an example of a fighter that was «on top» in other promotion and shows «weak results» in UFC. I make me think that only those who start young in UFC have chances to become champions, but those who were fighting in other promotions and after years of being in prime moved to UFC, have chance only to show average results.

because they are  only noticed by UFC when they deserve to be in UFC. once UFC sees them to be a warrior in the octagon, they invite them from other promotion and offer a contract.

Chandler was a top fighting in other promotion but there was also an incident that he got KO on his old promotion. he was popular and can also show great fights. he was able to climbed. he been inactive for a long  time waiting for conor to fight him, he then got rusty and this is the result.
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 13, 2025, 10:11:27 PM
^ Chandler was completely dominated by Paddy. He probably landed just one good punch and that's about it. I think he should follow Dustin's footstep of having a retirement fight before every young guy knocks him out and further tarnish his career.

For Paddy, looks like he's just one fight away of a title shot. It would have been nice if he and Ilia slugs it out in the octagon.

I expected the fight to be more even, and it looked like that in the first round. But later, Paddy absolutely demolished Chandler and now he's in a great position to be calling out everyone from the top 5, except for Islam, as he's not ready for him yet. After another win, he might get a title fight, but I'm not sure if he really wants to fight Islam, he's probably better of to have a couple of easier fights before that against guys like Dustin, Justin or Charles.
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Post by: electronicash on April 13, 2025, 11:19:21 PM
^ Chandler was completely dominated by Paddy. He probably landed just one good punch and that's about it. I think he should follow Dustin's footstep of having a retirement fight before every young guy knocks him out and further tarnish his career.

For Paddy, looks like he's just one fight away of a title shot. It would have been nice if he and Ilia slugs it out in the octagon.

I expected the fight to be more even, and it looked like that in the first round. But later, Paddy absolutely demolished Chandler and now he's in a great position to be calling out everyone from the top 5, except for Islam, as he's not ready for him yet. After another win, he might get a title fight, but I'm not sure if he really wants to fight Islam, he's probably better of to have a couple of easier fights before that against guys like Dustin, Justin or Charles.

definitely not ready for these 3. they are still able to kick asses while Dana is still trying to groom Paddy. he is his dog in UK. These 3 may have been defeated in their last fights but they are still in their best shape.

Paddy still is reckless compare to these 3. they don't strike when range is unsure. he was just lucky that Chandler isn't in his prime anymore. I think even Charles will still be able to submit Paddy.
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Post by: Zed0X on April 13, 2025, 11:51:54 PM
^ Yeah, those are definitely tough fights for Paddy but who else is in line on his rise to the title? I think anything less than those three would be a downgrade unless all of them were injured or already have scheduled fights. Maybe Tsarukyan? Anyway, he already named Oliveira as his preferred opponent next.
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 15, 2025, 12:05:27 AM
Thinking of what's next for Volkanovski - the rankings haven't yet been updated, but it looks like Max Holloway would be a top contender. I don't expect the UFC to be very keen on letting them fight each other for the 4th time. Quick research tells me that the only "tetralogy" in the UFC's history was between Moreno and Figuiredo, but the story was quite different, as the first fight was a draw and then they had one win each before they matched them up again. Here, we have Alex winning 3 times already, so I would take Max out of the picture.

That probably boils it down to either Yair Rodriguez (already defeated by Alex by TKO) or Movsar Evloev. I think Alex would be happy to take on either of them and probably would be the favourite. Rodriguez is far more entertaining and would bring in more views than "boring" Evloev, who is undefeated but has never finished anyone in the UFC.
The thought of Evloev becoming a champ must be horrifying to Dana White, but, if he has enough confidence in Alex, he could make that fight happen in hopes Volk would ruin Evloev's undefeated record and send him down the ranks so he wouldn't be a problem anymore.
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Post by: electronicash on April 15, 2025, 07:00:30 PM
^ Yeah, those are definitely tough fights for Paddy but who else is in line on his rise to the title? I think anything less than those three would be a downgrade unless all of them were injured or already have scheduled fights. Maybe Tsarukyan? Anyway, he already named Oliveira as his preferred opponent next.

there will be more fights to happen yet before they will decide which one will be next for paddy's opponent. but he is surely not fit to fight among the top fighters in the lightweight. but because Dana is grooming him, they might give Beneil Dariush.

Thinking of what's next for Volkanovski - the rankings haven't yet been updated, but it looks like Max Holloway would be a top contender. I don't expect the UFC to be very keen on letting them fight each other for the 4th time. Quick research tells me that the only "tetralogy" in the UFC's history was between Moreno and Figuiredo, but the story was quite different, as the first fight was a draw and then they had one win each before they matched them up again. Here, we have Alex winning 3 times already, so I would take Max out of the picture.

That probably boils it down to either Yair Rodriguez (already defeated by Alex by TKO) or Movsar Evloev. I think Alex would be happy to take on either of them and probably would be the favourite. Rodriguez is far more entertaining and would bring in more views than "boring" Evloev, who is undefeated but has never finished anyone in the UFC.
The thought of Evloev becoming a champ must be horrifying to Dana White, but, if he has enough confidence in Alex, he could make that fight happen in hopes Volk would ruin Evloev's undefeated record and send him down the ranks so he wouldn't be a problem anymore.

Alex expressed his interest in fighting Evloev, i think Dana will still give Evloev to Alex. but what could be a big surprise is that if Alex will also vacate the belt and move to LH to chase Tuporia. I'd like to believe a good rematch for them in LH.
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 16, 2025, 11:26:35 PM
The UFC rankings (https://www.ufc.com/rankings) have been updated.
Michael Chandler dropped down by five places, from 7th to 12th place. Paddy moved up by 4, to 8th place, pushing up Gamrot to 7th.

I'm not sure why Topuria is not showing in the lightweight ranking, since he officially moved up the weight class. He's still ranked as a featherweight and dropped to number 3 contender.

Dominic Reyes made it to the top 10 of the light heavyweight. If he gets a fight with someone ranked above him and wins, he might be in a position for a shot at the belt. Pretty good considering many have written him off. I predict he could be matched for a rematch with Blachowicz.
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Post by: electronicash on April 17, 2025, 09:14:13 PM
The UFC rankings (https://www.ufc.com/rankings) have been updated.
Michael Chandler dropped down by five places, from 7th to 12th place. Paddy moved up by 4, to 8th place, pushing up Gamrot to 7th.

I'm not sure why Topuria is not showing in the lightweight ranking, since he officially moved up the weight class. He's still ranked as a featherweight and dropped to number 3 contender.

Dominic Reyes made it to the top 10 of the light heavyweight. If he gets a fight with someone ranked above him and wins, he might be in a position for a shot at the belt. Pretty good considering many have written him off. I predict he could be matched for a rematch with Blachowicz.

Blachowicz vs Reyes 2 would be nice.  i think Reyes can win it this time. he been in the losing streak since ht time he was lost against Jones. he was devastated by the decision when most people that look at the fight, Reyes won it. His last won resembles the the fight of Aldo vs Mcgregor they say. spectacular KO.

Paddy ranking on the 8th place makes him a considerable contender that can rise above because he still is young.
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 17, 2025, 11:32:27 PM
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Paddy ranking on the 8th place makes him a considerable contender that can rise above because he still is young.

If the UFC decide not to give Topuria a title shot against Islam and want him to have at least one win in the lighweight before they let him fight for the belt - I think there's a big chance we could see Topuria Vs Paddy. The hype is already there and Paddy is ranked high enough for Topuria to be willing to fight him.
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 18, 2025, 10:30:51 AM
Ilia Topuria was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently. I've watched some of it. He said that he's not going to accept any fight other than a title fight against Islam. He said he could make 2 exceptions though: one would be fighting Conor first, the other - a fight with Paddy in Spain at Real Madrid's stadium (80,000 seats).
I think the second option is a really good idea. Spain is not far for Paddy's fans to travel, so they would probably sell the venue out.
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Post by: target on April 18, 2025, 08:35:29 PM
Ilia Topuria was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently. I've watched some of it. He said that he's not going to accept any fight other than a title fight against Islam. He said he could make 2 exceptions though: one would be fighting Conor first, the other - a fight with Paddy in Spain at Real Madrid's stadium (80,000 seats).
I think the second option is a really good idea. Spain is not far for Paddy's fans to travel, so they would probably sell the venue out.

Topuria is up for a big pay already. Paddy the Baddy will be able to fight back Topuria, he isn't ready to someone with such caliber. This is not going to to be good for Topuria to demand this fight UFC will make him wait because they know Conor is a goner.

Islam vs Topuria will be okay. It will be ironed to make big bucks Topuria's fame is already too big in his head. As long as islam is in his prime, he will not win against Islam.
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Post by: electronicash on April 18, 2025, 09:33:59 PM
Ilia Topuria was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently. I've watched some of it. He said that he's not going to accept any fight other than a title fight against Islam. He said he could make 2 exceptions though: one would be fighting Conor first, the other - a fight with Paddy in Spain at Real Madrid's stadium (80,000 seats).
I think the second option is a really good idea. Spain is not far for Paddy's fans to travel, so they would probably sell the venue out.

a title shot for Paddy to fight Topuria would mean Topuria can ask UFC to be held in Spain. Paddy however isn't going to be fighting for a title shot yet, no way he can do it whichever weightclass. they do have a beef though, i'm sure they are going to hype but it will not be book right away.

i have not watched rogan's episode yet i hate to see an interview of UFC fighters coming from rogan's podcast. rogan always want to be the first to say it when its not really happening.
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Post by: pawel7777 on April 21, 2025, 11:04:57 AM
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Islam vs Topuria will be okay. It will be ironed to make big bucks Topuria's fame is already too big in his head. As long as islam is in his prime, he will not win against Islam.

I would prefer to see Islam Vs Ilia than Paddy Vs Ilia. Topuria deserves the title shot in the lightweight without having to prove anything. Many other champions got that chance after moving weight class, so I don't know why Topuria should be different.
The problem is that Islam seems to be more interested in moving up to fight Belal (or Maddalena).
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Post by: bitbit97 on April 21, 2025, 12:31:38 PM
If fighters have contract with promotion and their job is to fight, why do they choose who they will fight instead of fighting the opponent which promotion has chosen? As an employee, I dont select which tasks I will do and do not, from the list my employer gave me. I dont understand why a champion has a right to be selective, to decide who deserves a fight against him and who not. I though that a person can call himself a champion, when he is ready to fight anyone and anytime, to prove his championship.
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Post by: electronicash on April 21, 2025, 08:47:31 PM
If fighters have contract with promotion and their job is to fight, why do they choose who they will fight instead of fighting the opponent which promotion has chosen? As an employee, I dont select which tasks I will do and do not, from the list my employer gave me. I dont understand why a champion has a right to be selective, to decide who deserves a fight against him and who not. I though that a person can call himself a champion, when he is ready to fight anyone and anytime, to prove his championship.

seem to the usual thing the champs do anymore. just look at Jon Jones should be fighting the interim champ but he fought someone old and wasted.

Ilia has a different situation because he left the belt which means he isn't the champion anymore and yet he requested to fight straight away the champion on the higher weight class. its a bit risky but if Dana approves it, he must have hated the fact that Islam is staying up there on the top for a long time already while there is no one left to challenge him.

he allowed volkanovski to fight for the belt too in the LW. and here they are again in same situation where Islam has to fight someone new in the LW.




Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: bitbit97 on April 22, 2025, 11:34:15 AM
If fighters have contract with promotion and their job is to fight, why do they choose who they will fight instead of fighting the opponent which promotion has chosen? As an employee, I dont select which tasks I will do and do not, from the list my employer gave me. I dont understand why a champion has a right to be selective, to decide who deserves a fight against him and who not. I though that a person can call himself a champion, when he is ready to fight anyone and anytime, to prove his championship.

seem to the usual thing the champs do anymore. just look at Jon Jones should be fighting the interim champ but he fought someone old and wasted.

Ilia has a different situation because he left the belt which means he isn't the champion anymore and yet he requested to fight straight away the champion on the higher weight class. its a bit risky but if Dana approves it, he must have hated the fact that Islam is staying up there on the top for a long time already while there is no one left to challenge him.

he allowed volkanovski to fight for the belt too in the LW. and here they are again in same situation where Islam has to fight someone new in the LW.

I took a look on Ilia Topuria career. He has left his belt and moved to next division. Imo he should fight some fighters from that division before requesting a champions fight because he was a champion in other division. I under it like this - if you a new in division, you cant have a fight against champion from the start, no matter what your achievements were before. That is why they have different division, weight. A bigger guy hits harder. That is other level of competition and risks.

But I would like to speak more about why champions allow themselves to select opponents. They should be either ready for everyone, or dont call themselves champion.
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Post by: electronicash on April 22, 2025, 07:18:35 PM
If fighters have contract with promotion and their job is to fight, why do they choose who they will fight instead of fighting the opponent which promotion has chosen? As an employee, I dont select which tasks I will do and do not, from the list my employer gave me. I dont understand why a champion has a right to be selective, to decide who deserves a fight against him and who not. I though that a person can call himself a champion, when he is ready to fight anyone and anytime, to prove his championship.

seem to the usual thing the champs do anymore. just look at Jon Jones should be fighting the interim champ but he fought someone old and wasted.

Ilia has a different situation because he left the belt which means he isn't the champion anymore and yet he requested to fight straight away the champion on the higher weight class. its a bit risky but if Dana approves it, he must have hated the fact that Islam is staying up there on the top for a long time already while there is no one left to challenge him.

he allowed volkanovski to fight for the belt too in the LW. and here they are again in same situation where Islam has to fight someone new in the LW.

I took a look on Ilia Topuria career. He has left his belt and moved to next division. Imo he should fight some fighters from that division before requesting a champions fight because he was a champion in other division. I under it like this - if you a new in division, you cant have a fight against champion from the start, no matter what your achievements were before. That is why they have different division, weight. A bigger guy hits harder. That is other level of competition and risks.

But I would like to speak more about why champions allow themselves to select opponents. They should be either ready for everyone, or dont call themselves champion.

they are champions. its like higher level, they can't just let him fight some fighter while fans are not interested in watching. while Ilia is popular, he should be fighting someone popular as well. although it would also make sense to get Tuporia to fight Dustin, the UFC will miss the outstanding profit once he loses against Dustin because he will not be able to fight Islam anymore.

but if Tuporia loses against Islam, he can make a good come back if he climbs up the rank by fighting the top 5 of the division like Charles Oliveira or Tsarukyan. you could say its not really up to him at all.
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Post by: bitbit97 on April 23, 2025, 12:20:29 PM
Letting fans to decide who to fight just by level of popularity isnt correct either. Ilia Topuria behavior is indescribable. He demands a fight only aganist lightweight division Islam Makhachev, because he was a champion of a featherweight division. If we close eyes on his past achievements, then in my eyes he is insolent person who cut in line without permission. Below Islam Makhachev, there are 15 ranked fighters, and dozen unranked. I think they have right of a first hand to challenge champion.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 23, 2025, 07:38:23 PM
Letting fans to decide who to fight just by level of popularity isnt correct either. Ilia Topuria behavior is indescribable. He demands a fight only aganist lightweight division Islam Makhachev, because he was a champion of a featherweight division. If we close eyes on his past achievements, then in my eyes he is insolent person who cut in line without permission. Below Islam Makhachev, there are 15 ranked fighters, and dozen unranked. I think they have right of a first hand to challenge champion.

those top guys in the division are already defeated by Islam by wide margin. they can't even request a rematch. if Ilia lost fighting in his first try in this new division, he won't have any other chance to get a title shot unless he fights 3 to 5 guys in the LW. he is up to reach there on top while in his prime and move to WW.

and i think Dana wants Islam out already because this division gets boring until Islam is out.
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Post by: Zed0X on April 23, 2025, 11:47:34 PM
I think Ilia vs. Paddy will draw more crowd than fighting Islam because the two already had a history. It would be fun to watch their press conference ;D

Letting fans to decide who to fight just by level of popularity isnt correct either. Ilia Topuria behavior is indescribable. He demands a fight only aganist lightweight division Islam Makhachev, because he was a champion of a featherweight division. If we close eyes on his past achievements, then in my eyes he is insolent person who cut in line without permission. Below Islam Makhachev, there are 15 ranked fighters, and dozen unranked. I think they have right of a first hand to challenge champion.
Blame Dana for that because he still allowed such practice before. Although I agree that he should fight at least one top lightweight but at the end of the day, it's what most fans wants that will move this fight organization forward.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: bitbit97 on April 24, 2025, 02:18:15 PM
Letting fans to decide who to fight just by level of popularity isnt correct either. Ilia Topuria behavior is indescribable. He demands a fight only aganist lightweight division Islam Makhachev, because he was a champion of a featherweight division. If we close eyes on his past achievements, then in my eyes he is insolent person who cut in line without permission. Below Islam Makhachev, there are 15 ranked fighters, and dozen unranked. I think they have right of a first hand to challenge champion.

those top guys in the division are already defeated by Islam by wide margin. they can't even request a rematch. if Ilia lost fighting in his first try in this new division, he won't have any other chance to get a title shot unless he fights 3 to 5 guys in the LW. he is up to reach there on top while in his prime and move to WW.

and i think Dana wants Islam out already because this division gets boring until Islam is out.

Islam Makhachev defeated most of lightweight division guys, but that does not cancel possibility for a rematch or trilogy. Fighters meet each other for several times. Even if a guy is defeated, he continues to fight, to train, to improve. History has number of example when loser wins in rematch. That is why idea of immediate title fight for Ilia Topuria looks unreal. I think Topuria needs to be tested by lightweight fighter to check if he is ready to bigger guys. That would be fair. That would be good for Topuria also, as it might be that he has overestimated his skills, abilities and strength.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 24, 2025, 06:22:51 PM
Letting fans to decide who to fight just by level of popularity isnt correct either. Ilia Topuria behavior is indescribable. He demands a fight only aganist lightweight division Islam Makhachev, because he was a champion of a featherweight division. If we close eyes on his past achievements, then in my eyes he is insolent person who cut in line without permission. Below Islam Makhachev, there are 15 ranked fighters, and dozen unranked. I think they have right of a first hand to challenge champion.

those top guys in the division are already defeated by Islam by wide margin. they can't even request a rematch. if Ilia lost fighting in his first try in this new division, he won't have any other chance to get a title shot unless he fights 3 to 5 guys in the LW. he is up to reach there on top while in his prime and move to WW.

and i think Dana wants Islam out already because this division gets boring until Islam is out.

Islam Makhachev defeated most of lightweight division guys, but that does not cancel possibility for a rematch or trilogy. Fighters meet each other for several times. Even if a guy is defeated, he continues to fight, to train, to improve. History has number of example when loser wins in rematch. That is why idea of immediate title fight for Ilia Topuria looks unreal. I think Topuria needs to be tested by lightweight fighter to check if he is ready to bigger guys. That would be fair. That would be good for Topuria also, as it might be that he has overestimated his skills, abilities and strength.

only happens when its a close fight and ended in a decision. but if islam dominated the fight and submitted his opponent,, its going to be a long shot which this fighter has to make 3 winning streak to earn that shot again to fight islam.

but sure ilia can fight someone among the top fighters before islam. if he loses, Dana will have to start over again to find someone that has potential to knock islam. it would take a year or two of waiting again while the division is at stale.


Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 24, 2025, 09:06:35 PM
There have been some news circulating recently about DDP pulling out of the Khamzat fight due to an injury.
Fortunately these were false and DDP made an announcement:
“I found it all very entertaining, unfortunately none of it is true myself and [UFC] already discussed a fight date and opponent, the June fight was never signed I did not pull out of any fight, I am the champion I know when I fight you as a contender just show up when we tell you to. Fight announcement coming soon stay tuned.”
https://www.mmafighting.com/2025/4/24/24415487/dricus-du-plessis-releases-statement-on-injury-rumors-fight-announcement
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: electronicash on April 25, 2025, 06:38:28 PM
There have been some news circulating recently about DDP pulling out of the Khamzat fight due to an injury.
Fortunately these were false and DDP made an announcement:
“I found it all very entertaining, unfortunately none of it is true myself and [UFC] already discussed a fight date and opponent, the June fight was never signed I did not pull out of any fight, I am the champion I know when I fight you as a contender just show up when we tell you to. Fight announcement coming soon stay tuned.”
https://www.mmafighting.com/2025/4/24/24415487/dricus-du-plessis-releases-statement-on-injury-rumors-fight-announcement

their fight is months away so if ever the injury is real, it wouldn't matter by the time the schedule here, DDP will be able to fight. i would however see it a very risky fight for him knowing Khamzat can break jaw by squeezing alone.

Khamzat is a very scary dude to fight with. it could be the reason why UFC wasn't open to make him fight often or else he would have dominated  and be the champ in his early days in UFC.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 26, 2025, 11:03:40 PM
Last chance to place bets on tonight's event.
Odds for the main card are as follows:

Aliskerov, Ikrom x1.2 Vs Muniz, Andre x4.2
Elder, Evan x1.47 Vs Young, Gauge x2.55
Schnell, Matt x1.6 Vs Flick, Jimmy x2.25
Brown, Randy x1.33 Vs Dalby, Nicolas x3.1
Pereiro, Michel x1.67 Vs Magomedov, Abusupiyan x2.1
Chikadze, Giga x2.4 Vs Onama, David x1.52
Smith, Anthony x3.85 Vs Zhang, Mingyang x1.23
Garry, Ian x1.65 Vs Prates, Carlos x2.15

Garry is taking a gamble by fighting Prates, who is ranked 13th. He doesn't have much to win and a lot to lose.
Prates may have 6 losses in his record, but he's undefeated since 2019. He's on an 11 win streak and has 10 straight KO/TKO finishes, which is pretty impressive.
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Post by: electronicash on April 27, 2025, 08:42:07 PM
Last chance to place bets on tonight's event.
Odds for the main card are as follows:

Aliskerov, Ikrom x1.2 Vs Muniz, Andre x4.2
Elder, Evan x1.47 Vs Young, Gauge x2.55
Schnell, Matt x1.6 Vs Flick, Jimmy x2.25
Brown, Randy x1.33 Vs Dalby, Nicolas x3.1
Pereiro, Michel x1.67 Vs Magomedov, Abusupiyan x2.1
Chikadze, Giga x2.4 Vs Onama, David x1.52
Smith, Anthony x3.85 Vs Zhang, Mingyang x1.23
Garry, Ian x1.65 Vs Prates, Carlos x2.15

Garry is taking a gamble by fighting Prates, who is ranked 13th. He doesn't have much to win and a lot to lose.
Prates may have 6 losses in his record, but he's undefeated since 2019. He's on an 11 win streak and has 10 straight KO/TKO finishes, which is pretty impressive.

Gary is up to get a title shot so who ever wants to fight him he will gladly take it. he even fought Shavkat who seem to be avoided by many fighters.  but he survived the fight against Shavkat.

just today he proved to be a good fighter vs Prates, he really outsmart Prates in a standing fight with just jabs. before Prates could even take a position he already have thrown jabs. i think he could have KO Prates in the 3rd round he was just too cautious.

but in the last round he caught some big blows. almost lost if he Gray was knockout.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 27, 2025, 10:27:33 PM
Anthony Smith lost to Zhang Mingyang and announced his retirement. He never made it to the top but he had a good career. Smith is not even that old, he's 36, so younger than many of the top light heavyweights, but I guess he knows best when it's time to call it a day.
I've learned that Mingyang is on 12 wins streak, all of them finished within the 1st round. Obviously he hasn't fought any big names yet (other than Smith), but he's a rising threat to the top guys, especially the ones at advanced age. Win over Smith will probably place him in the last place of the top 15, which should open the door for him to fight high-profile fighters.

Garry Vs Prates was a bit weird. Prates lost by decision, but it looked like he could bag a TKO win if he got all out in round 5. Referee was ready to stop the fight if he landed one/two more punches when he had Garry on the ground, but he hesitated (or had his gas tank empty), which cost him a win and broke his 11 win streak.
Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on April 28, 2025, 11:54:41 PM
Why didn't anybody tell me that Max Holloway is fighting Dustin Poirier at UFC 318 in July? I just noticed that in the events, but I don't recall hearing about that before.
They fought twice before, and Poirier came up victorious both times. In their first fight, Dustin served Max his only submission loss in his career; the second time around, Dustin won by decision.
Despite losing to Topuria, Max still holds the BMF belt, so there's something on the line there, so that's some motivation for Dustin and winning it would be a perfect ending to his career (I believe this is supposed to be his last fight). However, I wouldn't be very surprised if Dustin decides to keep fighting for a little bit longer if he were to defeat Max effortlessly.
It will be a good show.
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Post by: electronicash on April 29, 2025, 07:51:04 PM
Why didn't anybody tell me that Max Holloway is fighting Dustin Poirier at UFC 318 in July? I just noticed that in the events, but I don't recall hearing about that before.
They fought twice before, and Poirier came up victorious both times. In their first fight, Dustin served Max his only submission loss in his career; the second time around, Dustin won by decision.
Despite losing to Topuria, Max still holds the BMF belt, so there's something on the line there, so that's some motivation for Dustin and winning it would be a perfect ending to his career (I believe this is supposed to be his last fight). However, I wouldn't be very surprised if Dustin decides to keep fighting for a little bit longer if he were to defeat Max effortlessly.
It will be a good show.

another rematch, why not? i like this two because they can really make people sit on the edge to wait for whats going to happen in the middle when they clash. the last best fight we have seen from Max is with Gaethje.

Max pointing the floor with Dustin might just be one of the biggest fight as well. i'm sure dana would love to see a big KO happening between the two, whoever it is, the fight will be appreciated by fans.

Title: Re: The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 01, 2025, 12:09:02 AM
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another rematch, why not? i like this two because they can really make people sit on the edge to wait for whats going to happen in the middle when they clash. the last best fight we have seen from Max is with Gaethje.

Max pointing the floor with Dustin might just be one of the biggest fight as well. i'm sure dana would love to see a big KO happening between the two, whoever it is, the fight will be appreciated by fans.

It will be the trilogy.
I too like this match-up, despite some guys on other forum complaining about it.
Given that Dustin decided to fight only once before retirement, that's probably the best possible option. And there will be something on the line there for Dustin, the BMF belt. Maybe he could win it and toss it in the bin, so we can see an end to that retarded idea.