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MixTum Clearnet (https://mixtum.io/?mix) | Tor Mirror (https://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/) | Telegram Bot (https://t.me/mixtum_bot) | Review (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314446.msg1534096#msg1534096) | PGP Checker (https://bitlist.co/pgp)
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MixTum.io (https://mixtum.io/) is a one-of-a-kind bitcoin mixer built on Jambler.io platform and launched in August, 2018. While mixing BTC, MixTum.io (https://mixtum.io/) does not shuffle available funds in one or multiple pots, but exchanges incoming bitcoins with coins purchased from investors - cryptocurrency stock exchanges.
Navigation
- Can I trust you with my money? (#post_trust)
- What is the min amount and commission costs? (#post_commission)
- How does MixTum.io guarantee my anonymity? (#post_anonymity)
- How long do addresses for funds transfer remain valid? (#post_valid)
- How long does it take to cleanse Bitcoins? (#post_time)
- How does your free trial mixing work? (#post_free)
- How can I create my own Bitcoin mixer? (#post_create)
What is the MixTum.io project?
Our transfer algorithm selects independent investors and trading platforms, and breaks down your funds in a manner that completely removes a link between input and output transactions. We neither require registration nor store logs. Once the mixing is done and transaction confirmed, the data on processed transactions is deleted. For each mixing request, we issue a digitally signed letter of guarantee, which confirms our obligations to the client.
Public Key: https://mixtum.io/pgp-key.txt
Telegtam: https://t.me/mixtum_bot
MixTum Tor Mirror: http://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/
MixTum.io PGP fingerprint: B8A5 CFCA F63F F2D8 384A 6B12 D3B2 8095 6F0E 7CAF
Can I trust you with my money?
In addition to the fact that we have been on the market for more than 4 years, we take protective measures against errors and malicious acts. For every incoming order, we provide a PGP-signed letter of guarantee that confirms the obligations we assume. To check a letter of guarantee, install a PGP client (for example, PGP4Win (https://www.gpg4win.org/download.html)), import a public key of MixTum.io (https://mixtum.io/pgp-key.txt) from the website to the installed client and verify a digital signature.
What is the min amount and commission costs?
The commission is randomized to some extent and can be 4-5% + 0.0007 BTC. The innovative cleansing process we use involves considerable expenses, but we believe the resulting premium anonymization level is worth the price. Minimum amount of funds for cleansing 0.005 BTC. Smaller transactions will be regarded as a donation since it makes no business sense to conduct them, but if you have sent such sum by mistake, contact (https://mixtum.io/#contacts) our help desk.
How does MixTum.io guarantee my anonymity?
We do not collect logs, do not store private information, our team is also anonymous. The main principle of the platform operation is the provision of funds to end customers from a hundred different investors from various stock exchanges. All info about an order is deleted upon its completion (or when the offer expires). The only remaining trace of our work are the letters of guarantee we give you.
To increase the level of anonymity, you can use the Tor version of the platform, (the Tor version uses no JavaScript, collects and stores no records of website visitor activity). MixTum has an official Tor mirror of the website which you can find under the following link (https://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/).
How long do addresses for funds transfer remain valid?
They remain valid for 7 days. This period is sufficient to address any network issues, delays and human errors that may occur, thus guaranteeing safety of customer's assets. Anyway, in all cases an address lifetime for every request is captured in a letter of guarantee provided by the MixTum.io platform.
How long does it take to cleanse Bitcoins?
The process starts after the first confirmation of your incoming transfer and takes up to 6 hours. The exact delay is chosen randomly in order to resist deanonymization attempts. We have found that a random delay of up to 6 hours is enough to eliminate the risk of volume analysis.
How does your free trial mixing work?
You can initiate trial mixing via the respective button on the main page, or follow this link (https://mixtum.io/?mix=free). The commission for cleansing will not be charged, but you must send us exactly 0.001 BTC. You cannot select a percentage breakdown as this is decided by the algorithm for optimal performance and anonymity.
How can I create my own Bitcoin mixer? [Extended FAQ (https://jambler.io/faq.php#faq-2.1)]
It is very simple! You do not have to implement mixer algorithms by yourself or seek for finance to form operating assets, we did that for you.
➥ Register on the Jambler.io website as a partner, specify a BTC wallet for profit receipt and your mixer commission, configure an automated withdrawal of funds and enter a project name. The platform will generate BTC addresses, issue letters of guarantee on your behalf, control monetary flows and transfer profits to you.
➥ Develop website design of your own mixer or use a template which we have prepared for you. In your personal account you can find HTML templates for Tor and Clearnet mixer version, PHP gateway to connect to our system. Download and upload them to your hosting.
➥ Your mixer is ready for operation, all that is left for you to do is to attract clients. You will get interest income from every transaction. You will get Jabber or Telegram notifications of new requests and transaction execution via your mixer from the platform.
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Happy to see Mixtum around here :)
The link of the FR translation of this [ANN]: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314465.0
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Will someone from the official Mixtum team be active on the Altt forum? I would say that it is more than desirable.
I also see that the website still has a link to the ANN thread on the Bitcointalk forum as a support channel. Given that all the restrictions there, ANN closed, and that Altt is more friendly for an open discussion about mixers, I believe that future contacts should be directed to this thread.
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Here's the link to pidgin translation, incase you want to add it to the original topic: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314926.0
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Great to see Mixtum and most other mixers teleported here from bitcointalk forum together with us :)
I remember Mixtum was very active in other forum and they had one of the highest paying signature campaigns.
If I can make one suggestion to icopress and owners of Mixtum, please update forum link on the website page bottom.
Right now it is directing to old archived topic, so it would be a good idea to maybe add new Altcoinstalks link.
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And in Contacts page:
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Will someone from the official Mixtum team be active on the Altt forum? I would say that it is more than desirable.
I also see that the website still has a link to the ANN thread on the Bitcointalk forum as a support channel. Given that all the restrictions there, ANN closed, and that Altt is more friendly for an open discussion about mixers, I believe that future contacts should be directed to this thread.
The link to ANN Bitcointalk will remain on the site for a long time since it is a kind of right-hand reputational footnote. A link to the altcointalk thread will also be added soon.
As for technical support, if anyone has an urgent request, they can write here or PM me and I will make sure that authorized persons receive the letter.
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It nice to have you guys on this forum I read the OP page but I would like to know if MixTum actually help people to create their own functioning mixing service? If yes, what's in it for the MixTum team?
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It nice to have you guys on this forum I read the OP page but I would like to know if MixTum actually help people to create their own functioning mixing service? If yes, what's in it for the MixTum team?
You didn't understand something well. Mixtum.io is a partner of Jambler. Jambler.io is a kind of gateway service for mixers, and they offer the possibility to start your own mixer service. A very sustainable business idea.
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It nice to have you guys on this forum I read the OP page but I would like to know if MixTum actually help people to create their own functioning mixing service? If yes, what's in it for the MixTum team?
Yeah you can use Jambler.io (https://jambler.io/) if you want to create your own service, they provide all the necessary things in order to make it easy to do so.
I think Mixtum is just promoting Jambler, they won't help you directly to create your own service ; but Jambler will. (icopress will correct me if I'm wrong)
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It nice to have you guys on this forum I read the OP page but I would like to know if MixTum actually help people to create their own functioning mixing service? If yes, what's in it for the MixTum team?
Yeah whatever examplens said is true, it's not the Mixtum.io that will help you to create your own mixer but the Jambler.io and I have noticed that they have already worked hard to create some of those mixer services that we see.
Jambler.io's campaign isn't launched on this forum but they have their own campaign on Bitcointalk forum. You should also visit their site to see more information, I think they have dedicated team that will create mixers for the clients. You may contact them if you want to learn more about their services.
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Good thing I found out about this platform. I am digging up more information about it, and what I found out is that it does not require registration or store logs, and once the mixing process is complete, all data on processed transactions is deleted.
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You didn't understand something well. Mixtum.io is a partner of Jambler. Jambler.io is a kind of gateway service for mixers, and they offer the possibility to start your own mixer service. A very sustainable business idea.
He obviously mixed up something with his other forum account, and mister ''positive'' woke up after long inactivity, so don't expect him to actually read what is written :P
The link to ANN Bitcointalk will remain on the site for a long time since it is a kind of right-hand reputational footnote. A link to the altcointalk thread will also be added soon.
I don't have any issue with that, but some people could interpret this differently if they don't know about rules change in bitcointalk forum.
When you open old ANN topic title is now [banned mixer]... and people don't know the real reason of ban.
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Here's the link to pidgin translation, incase you want to add it to the original topic: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314926.0
Wow, this is impressive and I like the idea which is going to help more people to get to know about the mixer. How long does it take you to translate the post?
Good thing I found out about this platform. I am digging up more information about it, and what I found out is that it does not require registration or store logs, and once the mixing process is complete, all data on processed transactions is deleted.
I think Mixtum.io is one of the good mixers we can make use of without any privacy leak. Although I've not make use of it for now but soon I'm going to try it out since their are friends that have strong interest after using the site. It is quite interesting seeing Mixtum on this forum and I hope the team is available for the long ride.
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Does Mixtum plan to start new signature and review campaign in AltcoinsTalks forum soon?
I see there is big visible Mixtum banner on top of forum page but additional signature promotion would make positive impact.
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Does Mixtum plan to start new signature and review campaign in AltcoinsTalks forum soon?
I see there is big visible Mixtum banner on top of forum page but additional signature promotion would make positive impact.
Honestly, this is quite likely. But for now there is no need for this since there is banner advertising.
Perhaps in a month or two I will return to this thought! Thank you!
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The link to ANN Bitcointalk will remain on the site for a long time since it is a kind of right-hand reputational footnote. A link to the altcointalk thread will also be added soon.
I don't have any issue with that, but some people could interpret this differently if they don't know about rules change in bitcointalk forum.
When you open old ANN topic title is now [banned mixer]... and people don't know the real reason of ban.
[/quote]Hmm.. it seems you are right. I will try to make sure that the link to Bitcointalk leads to a reference post about the current situation and a link to a new discussion thread.
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I don't have any issue with that, but some people could interpret this differently if they don't know about rules change in bitcointalk forum.
When you open old ANN topic title is now [banned mixer]... and people don't know the real reason of ban.
Yes, you're right most people don't really know the changes that took place in Bitcointalk forum. Now on title of every mixer thread on Bitcointalk "Banned Mixer" is added. People think that if mixer is banned then they might have some issues if they use such mixers but they don't actually know that the all mixers were banned on the forum and that's why it's added in the titles of the mixer's ann threads.
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I've been in crypto for the last 5 years and never seen a Bitcoin mixer like Mixtum.io this is the first time i saw an article about Bitcoin mixer and this is very interesting. I did a little research about the Bitcoin mixer and i found out that there are a lot of bitcoin mixers that offer a lot of services and benefits like Mixtum.io but i wonder what is the difference between Mixtum.io compared to other Bitcoin mixer? In my preference i like the concept of anonymity of Mixtum this is very important to me but why would i choose Mixtum? Please enlighten me.
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It nice to have you guys on this forum I read the OP page but I would like to know if MixTum actually help people to create their own functioning mixing service? If yes, what's in it for the MixTum team?
You didn't understand something well. Mixtum.io is a partner of Jambler. Jambler.io is a kind of gateway service for mixers, and they offer the possibility to start your own mixer service. A very sustainable business idea.
Thanks for the clarification. I was just curious about that aspect when I read about the MixTum anonymity service yesterday.
Although I have been into cryptocurrency for some time now but not a privacy enthusiast and I have never thought about using a Bitcoin mixer service until now that big investment companies like BlackRock have an interest in Bitcoin and I read that privacy will be an issue when the spot ETF is approved. In preparation for privately securing my BTC bag is the reason why I am looking into the BTC mixer that has the delighted anonymity service. I was surprised "How can I create my own Bitcoin mixer" on the MixTum mixer page yesterday that's the reason for the question I asked.
Is there some guide to follow to get the best anonymity service when using MixTum mixer?
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It nice to have you guys on this forum I read the OP page but I would like to know if MixTum actually help people to create their own functioning mixing service? If yes, what's in it for the MixTum team?
You didn't understand something well. Mixtum.io is a partner of Jambler. Jambler.io is a kind of gateway service for mixers, and they offer the possibility to start your own mixer service. A very sustainable business idea.
Thanks for the clarification. I was just curious about that aspect when I read about the MixTum anonymity service yesterday.
Although I have been into cryptocurrency for some time now but not a privacy enthusiast and I have never thought about using a Bitcoin mixer service until now that big investment companies like BlackRock have an interest in Bitcoin and I read that privacy will be an issue when the spot ETF is approved. In preparation for privately securing my BTC bag is the reason why I am looking into the BTC mixer that has the delighted anonymity service. I was surprised "How can I create my own Bitcoin mixer" on the MixTum mixer page yesterday that's the reason for the question I asked.
Is there some guide to follow to get the best anonymity service when using MixTum mixer?
there are alot of benefits by giving priority on anonymity and privacy. you never can tell who is watching you. its certain that privacy would be a hot topic and companies like blackrock has clients with huge amount also the spot ETF saga has gained more attention for bitcoin so to protect your identity mixers comes in very handy
Mixtum mixer is not complicated and can easily be used, the whole mixing process can be better shortened to you sending your bitcoin to the service and they send it to addresses you provided but this transaction is different from the normal bitcoin transaction you do because using a mixer like mixtum transactions are untraceable and private but still there are factors to consider like which brower you use, TOR brower would just be fine and you can learn more about Mixtum mixer service by going through others review.
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It nice to have you guys on this forum I read the OP page but I would like to know if MixTum actually help people to create their own functioning mixing service? If yes, what's in it for the MixTum team?
You didn't understand something well. Mixtum.io is a partner of Jambler. Jambler.io is a kind of gateway service for mixers, and they offer the possibility to start your own mixer service. A very sustainable business idea.
Thanks for the clarification. I was just curious about that aspect when I read about the MixTum anonymity service yesterday.
Although I have been into cryptocurrency for some time now but not a privacy enthusiast and I have never thought about using a Bitcoin mixer service until now that big investment companies like BlackRock have an interest in Bitcoin and I read that privacy will be an issue when the spot ETF is approved. In preparation for privately securing my BTC bag is the reason why I am looking into the BTC mixer that has the delighted anonymity service. I was surprised "How can I create my own Bitcoin mixer" on the MixTum mixer page yesterday that's the reason for the question I asked.
Is there some guide to follow to get the best anonymity service when using MixTum mixer?
there are alot of benefits by giving priority on anonymity and privacy. you never can tell who is watching you. its certain that privacy would be a hot topic and companies like blackrock has clients with huge amount also the spot ETF saga has gained more attention for bitcoin so to protect your identity mixers comes in very handy
Mixtum mixer is not complicated and can easily be used, the whole mixing process can be better shortened to you sending your bitcoin to the service and they send it to addresses you provided but this transaction is different from the normal bitcoin transaction you do because using a mixer like mixtum transactions are untraceable and private but still there are factors to consider like which brower you use, TOR brower would just be fine and you can learn more about Mixtum mixer service by going through others review.
I agree with what you said and it's the benefit that involves giving priority to anonymity which will protect from prying eyes is the reason why I consider the use of Bitcoin mixer service especially now when the big fish have more interest in Bitcoin and hackers are pulling a different tricks everyday.
As an example we can take recent Microsoft leading Executive emails that were breached, which I believe is due to "nothing is ever safe on the internet" but "prevention is better than cure" (they say) which makes crypto mixing one of the tools that will give me the prevention.
Mixtum mixer is difficult to base on (how you explained) but I want to use the platform with Tor. I once heard that using Tor is enough with the right setup and I don't want to leave a single stone unturned since I am not knowledgeable in the area of privacy.
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Mixtum mixer is difficult to base on (how you explained) but I want to use the platform with Tor.
If you don't actually understand the method that had been explained so far, I think you can always turn to the website because that is where you could see different format on how you can mix your coin in a way that suit your interest. Mixing is not something difficult like one could think but our safety is very important, that's why it is always advised to use a strong VPN that could hide our identity.
You can use the free trial to test run how the system works so that you can become more conversant with the system.
I once heard that using Tor is enough with the right setup and I don't want to leave a single stone unturned since I am not knowledgeable in the area of privacy.
The reason why Tor is used is to hide our privacy from the public. Other strong VPN can likewise be used too if they work well and keep us safe. Maybe you can take a look at the Mixtum website and use the free trial for a better understanding.
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I've never tried to use Bitcoin Mixer, and I honestly don't know how to use it or how it goes.
Upon checking the information on MixTum.io, I find it interesting, as a project provides a way to break up your money into smaller amounts so that it cannot be traced back to you. It is all about the anonymity. It does this by selecting random investors and trading platforms and breaking down your money in a way that makes it impossible to tell how much was spent on what. I hope to try this one of these days.
Is there any limitation or restriction on the types of cryptocurrencies that can be mixed using this platform?
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Mixtum mixer is difficult to base on (how you explained) but I want to use the platform with Tor.
If you don't actually understand the method that had been explained so far, I think you can always turn to the website because that is where you could see different format on how you can mix your coin in a way that suit your interest. Mixing is not something difficult like one could think but our safety is very important, that's why it is always advised to use a strong VPN that could hide our identity.
You can use the free trial to test run how the system works so that you can become more conversant with the system.
Sorry for the misconception. There was a typo in the message.
What I mean is that the MixTum is not difficult to use as the user explained. However, I visited the website as you advised and checked everything carefully. I want to use their mixing service for privacy priority, so I need to be careful and also sure that I am mixing the Bitcoin the right way.
You said "strong VPN" but for the record, some VPNs could provide their user IP address to the authorities, so I never trust VPN service.
The reason why Tor is used is to hide our privacy from the public. Other strong VPN can likewise be used too if they work well and keep us safe. Maybe you can take a look at the Mixtum website and use the free trial for a better understanding.
In your words using a strong VPN when privacy is prioritized is good? No, I will never trust platforms that can see, or save their user IP address and this is why I consider Tor to be the best solution for this.
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I've never tried to use Bitcoin Mixer, and I honestly don't know how to use it or how it goes.
Upon checking the information on MixTum.io, I find it interesting, as a project provides a way to break up your money into smaller amounts so that it cannot be traced back to you. It is all about the anonymity. It does this by selecting random investors and trading platforms and breaking down your money in a way that makes it impossible to tell how much was spent on what. I hope to try this one of these days.
Is there any limitation or restriction on the types of cryptocurrencies that can be mixed using this platform?
What i gather on my research about MixTum is, Mixtum is different from other classic mixers, it was launched in the year 2018. It doesn’t store any amount of coins in one place but exchanges incoming bitcoins with coins purchased from investors – cryptocurrency stock exchanges.
The total time will take around 6 hours to get your coin back. Anyone can become an investor. The minimum deposit is 0.005 BTC to 50 BTC with free trial of the minimum amount equal to 0.001 BTC when the commission for mixing is not charged. Clean coins are sent via 2 or more transactions in random sums to make them untraceable.
Another benefit of Mixtum is that you will get 24/7 hours of tech support. No logs are stored. Users can get a free trial on-demand. Mixtum is one of the trusted and top Bitcoin tumblers today.
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Does Mixtum plan to start new signature and review campaign in AltcoinsTalks forum soon?
I see there is big visible Mixtum banner on top of forum page but additional signature promotion would make positive impact.
Yes mixtum having an active signature campaign here on the forum would definitely make sense, but as the big banner caught your attention then it is actually servicing it's purpose.
For now I believe that mixtum are in a marketing deal with the forum Altcointalk and you hardly can avoid seeing the big banner, to be it's an effective approach, but a signature campaign or review would help readers on this forum have more understanding about mixtum and also easily start using the platform, so yes mate I agree with you.
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MixTum.io is a one-of-a-kind bitcoin mixer built on Jambler.io platform and launched in August, 2018. While mixing BTC, MixTum.io does not shuffle available funds in one or multiple pots, but exchanges incoming bitcoins with coins purchased from investors - cryptocurrency stock exchanges.
I have a question to ask because I am new to using mixtum.io . Originally how bitcoin mixing work is that funds(bitcoin) are intermixed amongst the list of available pots which causes a blockage towards anyone trying to trace transactions.
But if I am correct Mixtum.io doesn't work that way only swaps the expected funds (Bitcoin) with coins bought by investors.
My questions are:
1. How does this process work?
2. Are the investors those who invest in mixtum.io /Jambler.oi or what platforms are these investors from?
3. What makes this process untraceable, support anonymity and lastly what are other downsides one should be aware of ?
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Does Mixtum plan to start new signature and review campaign in AltcoinsTalks forum soon?
I see there is big visible Mixtum banner on top of forum page but additional signature promotion would make positive impact.
Yes mixtum having an active signature campaign here on the forum would definitely make sense, but as the big banner caught your attention then it is actually servicing it's purpose.
Mixtum just launched there signature campaign not quite long, maybe you can take a look at the thread. That's a good news for everyone that are members of this community, the long awaited signature campaign has finally launched.
For now I believe that mixtum are in a marketing deal with the forum Altcointalk and you hardly can avoid seeing the big banner, to be it's an effective approach, but a signature campaign or review would help readers on this forum have more understanding about mixtum and also easily start using the platform, so yes mate I agree with you.
The banner you are seeing on the front page of the forum is based on the highest bidder. You might keep seeing Mixtum banner for as long as possible if they retain it being the highest bidder. The banner is the first thing that captures my eyes anytime I login to this community. Retaining the banner there means the team is ready for business advertising there site to a larger audience of crypto investors and traders. Good luck to the team in all endeavors.
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Mixtum is a great project.
I see there is potential team behind their project.
TBH, Glad to join the mixtum bounty to learn more about mixtum project and want to try.
Nice to see mixtum open signature bounty here.
If allowed, accept me.
Thank you icopress..
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there are alot of benefits by giving priority on anonymity and privacy. you never can tell who is watching you. its certain that privacy would be a hot topic and companies like blackrock has clients with huge amount also the spot ETF saga has gained more attention for bitcoin so to protect your identity mixers comes in very handy
Privacy and anonymity are being priority for the people who want keep their privacy.
Mixtum is the solution.
icopress brings this signature bounty here, It's good time to participate and gain knowledge about Mixtum project.
Very curious to know what this project can bring us.
hopefully it will make a big contribution to the crypto world.
I'm native member, very thank mixer project coming here.
If icopress and mixers weren't here, maybe I would have found out too late and learned about mixers, especially Mixtum.
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Mixtum is a great project.
I see there is potential team behind their project.
TBH, Glad to join the mixtum bounty to learn more about mixtum project and want to try.
Nice to see mixtum open signature bounty here.
If allowed, accept me.
Thank you icopress..
Mixtum just amazing mixture project which I already reviewed positive feedback here ..
This project has created a signature campaign for us which is very exciting. We are delighted to be able to work on this signature campaign.
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Mixtum just amazing mixture project which I already reviewed positive feedback here ..
This project has created a signature campaign for us which is very exciting. We are delighted to be able to work on this signature campaign.
This campaign will only be intended for users with basic knowledge of Bitcoin.
A VERY tough selection.
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Mixtum is a great project.
I see there is potential team behind their project.
TBH, Glad to join the mixtum bounty to learn more about mixtum project and want to try.
Nice to see mixtum open signature bounty here.
If allowed, accept me.
Thank you icopress..
I have tried the service of MixTum and what I find is that so far, all the people I knew on this forum who have used their services have only said positive things about the platform. One thing I learned about the cryptocurrency space is that they never lie about an issue that is publicly discussed, especially on the decentralized crypto forum.However, I wish the mixer representative could tell us what the mixer team is doing to prevent a bug in the future that can be used by attackers to deanonymize past transactions that have been processed by the mixing services.
I planned to use the platform mixing service for total privacy purposes, and the result so far has been good ever since I used the MixTum mixing service, but I'm a curious type of person and always want to be sure of what I am getting myself into, although sometimes time leads to me asking many questions, which some people don't like at some point.
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Mixtum is a great project.
I see there is potential team behind their project.
TBH, Glad to join the mixtum bounty to learn more about mixtum project and want to try.
Nice to see mixtum open signature bounty here.
If allowed, accept me.
Thank you icopress..
I have tried the service of MixTum and what I find is that so far, all the people I knew on this forum who have used their services have only said positive things about the platform. One thing I learned about the cryptocurrency space is that they never lie about an issue that is publicly discussed, especially on the decentralized crypto forum.However, I wish the mixer representative could tell us what the mixer team is doing to prevent a bug in the future that can be used by attackers to deanonymize past transactions that have been processed by the mixing services.
I planned to use the platform mixing service for total privacy purposes, and the result so far has been good ever since I used the MixTum mixing service, but I'm a curious type of person and always want to be sure of what I am getting myself into, although sometimes time leads to me asking many questions, which some people don't like at some point.
I would highlight your last paragraph, my thoughts are that you never get lost when you ask for directions, so asking questions should be welcome irrespective of the questions.
Mixtum.io is obviously an A-list mixing platform and the reviews from other people about the quality of service they get from mixtum.io back that up, but I think with the incentives attached to the review program organized by the mixtum.io team, some participants would be biased in their review and would love to sugar coat things, the possible solution to this right now is for the team to have a proper screening of the reviews so far and highlights some top reviews for educational purpose for those new to this mixing platform
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Mixtum just amazing mixture project which I already reviewed positive feedback here ..
This project has created a signature campaign for us which is very exciting. We are delighted to be able to work on this signature campaign.
This campaign will only be intended for users with basic knowledge of Bitcoin.
A VERY tough selection.
Good selection, hopefully I will be one of them.
thank you
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However, I wish the mixer representative could tell us what the mixer team is doing to prevent a bug in the future that can be used by attackers to deanonymize past transactions that have been processed by the mixing services.
What bug are you talking about?
Mixtum has been around for a long time, the platform has been more than tested and if I remember correctly it successfully resisted some DDoS attacks. All known "bugs" have been fixed and corrected, I believe that the Mixtum developers know the importance of that and there is no need for us to remind them here how to do their job.
I planned to use the platform mixing service for total privacy purposes, and the result so far has been good ever since I used the MixTum mixing service, but I'm a curious type of person and always want to be sure of what I am getting myself into, although sometimes time leads to me asking many questions, which some people don't like at some point.
I suggest you really try it, I would even suggest you test two or three different mixers. Then you will have a much clearer picture of how things work and what the functional differences are. You will certainly be much more competitive in these kinds of discussions.
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Mixtum just amazing mixture project which I already reviewed positive feedback here ..
This project has created a signature campaign for us which is very exciting. We are delighted to be able to work on this signature campaign.
This campaign will only be intended for users with basic knowledge of Bitcoin.
A VERY tough selection.
Good selection, hopefully I will be one of them.
thank you
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Well the essence of this signature campaign is to promote mixtum.io and Bitcoin mixing in general. This is important in my opinion because the promotion of privacy protection and anonymity can not be overly emphasize.
I think the selection for this signature campaign should be about those who has contributed either by asking questions or answering questions to the promotion and understanding of Bitcoin mixing. ICO press has always been fair in his selections even on Bitcointalk. So may the best hands win.
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Mixtum just amazing mixture project which I already reviewed positive feedback here ..
This project has created a signature campaign for us which is very exciting. We are delighted to be able to work on this signature campaign.
This campaign will only be intended for users with basic knowledge of Bitcoin.
A VERY tough selection.
Good selection, hopefully I will be one of them.
thank you
+1
Well the essence of this signature campaign is to promote mixtum.io and Bitcoin mixing in general. This is important in my opinion because the promotion of privacy protection and anonymity can not be overly emphasize.
Just like the way it used to be on Bitcointalk, the Mixtum campaign has the reputation of highly respected personalities are are guru in anything Bitcoin technical discussion and support. Icopress had been known as a spectacular manager that is very strict about quality not just anyhow participants. One would have to be a good poster and knowledgeable in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency to join his campaign.
I think the selection for this signature campaign should be about those who has contributed either by asking questions or answering questions to the promotion and understanding of Bitcoin mixing. ICO press has always been fair in his selections even on Bitcointalk. So may the best hands win.
Maybe he could also consider this doing selection too. At least the participants need to be knowledgeable of what Bitcoin mixing really entails.
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I think the selection for this signature campaign should be about those who has contributed either by asking questions or answering questions to the promotion and understanding of Bitcoin mixing. ICO press has always been fair in his selections even on Bitcointalk. So may the best hands win.
Maybe he could also consider this doing selection too. At least the participants need to be knowledgeable of what Bitcoin mixing really entails.
As he said “ those with bitcoin knowledge will be selected” so it is difficult to see those that have a vast knowledge of the basic of bitcoin that don’t know what “mixing or mixers” are used for or how they work. So the criteria he has set for the campaign has already covered that area.
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As he said “ those with bitcoin knowledge will be selected” so it is difficult to see those that have a vast knowledge of the basic of bitcoin that don’t know what “mixing or mixers” are used for or how they work. So the criteria he has set for the campaign has already covered that area.
Maybe he is preparing special Bitcoin tests for potential participants, and you can join the campaign only if you pass his test ;)
You can never know everything about Bitcoin and everything connected to it, so you can learn every day.
I would suggest everyone to explore and test Mixtum website before campaign starts, there is an option to try it for free with 0,001 BTC commission-free.
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I would suggest everyone to explore and test Mixtum website before campaign starts, there is an option to try it for free with 0,001 BTC commission-free.
Has anyone used this possibility of trying it for "free"?
In the Letter of guarantee, the maximum service fee is specified. I guess it's some kind of template, but it's still unclear how much will be charged after "test for free".
Does it refer only to the mixer fee of 5% or also to 0.0007 BTC for the network?
Maximum mixing time is 6 hours.
This offer is valid for 168 hours from 2024-02-05 03:29:56 GMT
Maximum service fee is: 5% + 0.0007 BTC.
PGP fingerprint: 63DF..
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Has anyone used this possibility of trying it for "free"?
In the Letter of guarantee, the maximum service fee is specified. I guess it's some kind of template, but it's still unclear how much will be charged after "test for free".
Does it refer only to the mixer fee of 5% or also to 0.0007 BTC for the network?
Maximum mixing time is 6 hours.
This offer is valid for 168 hours from 2024-02-05 03:29:56 GMT
Maximum service fee is: 5% + 0.0007 BTC.
PGP fingerprint: 63DF..
You can refer to Free trial from Mixtum:
You have a unique opportunity to try out our mixing services and see if they meet your needs. Be sure to check out the requirements for trial users: transaction amount has to be exactly 0,001 BTC (neither more nor less), and there should be only one output address[1].
At this point you will only need to pay the transaction fee, and Mixtum will not charge you a fee (from 4 to 5%). This is a good opportunity for everyone to try out and understand how to interact with Mixtum. Mixtum does this in a very smart way to promote and reach potential users.
[1] Mixtum website (https://mixtum.io/)
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You can refer to Free trial from Mixtum:
You have a unique opportunity to try out our mixing services and see if they meet your needs. Be sure to check out the requirements for trial users: transaction amount has to be exactly 0,001 BTC (neither more nor less), and there should be only one output address[1].
At this point you will only need to pay the transaction fee, and Mixtum will not charge you a fee (from 4 to 5%). This is a good opportunity for everyone to try out and understand how to interact with Mixtum. Mixtum does this in a very smart way to promote and reach potential users.
[1] Mixtum website (https://mixtum.io/)
I've already read it all, but I asked about my personal experience because when I started the mixing process, it was not clear whether I would be charged a mixer fee + fixed network fee or not.
For mixing 0.001, the total costs can reach up to 0.00075, which is currently so expensive for me only for testing.
So, I need reliable information from someone who has gone through the process, not just copying from the site.
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(https://i.imgur.com/E554ox7.png) (https://mixtum.io/?videos)
I tried to find out how Mixtum works and provides the best service to all its users and I immediately checked the main Mixtum website.
I seem to have found a typo in the Video section (https://mixtum.io/?videos) of the Mixtum website, from the letter "i" to the letter "u". Please check my screenshot.
This doesn't seem too important for those who have high trust in Mixtum, but in my opinion this is a bit less neat than the appearance of the Mixtum website.
Maybe next time the website development experts from Mixtum can change it properly or maybe it's not a Typo??
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I've already read it all, but I asked about my personal experience because when I started the mixing process, it was not clear whether I would be charged a mixer fee + fixed network fee or not.
For mixing 0.001, the total costs can reach up to 0.00075, which is currently so expensive for me only for testing.
So, I need reliable information from someone who has gone through the process, not just copying from the site.
When I was in their campaign on the BTT forum, I tried the free mix and wrote my review - and I can confirm that the only fee you will pay is the one when you send coins to the mixer, which means only the miners fee. After that, you will receive the total amount that you sent back to the address that you specified in the mixing process.
All this assuming that nothing has changed in the last few months, and as far as I can see from the FAQ, everything has remained the same.
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I've already read it all, but I asked about my personal experience because when I started the mixing process, it was not clear whether I would be charged a mixer fee + fixed network fee or not.
For mixing 0.001, the total costs can reach up to 0.00075, which is currently so expensive for me only for testing.
So, I need reliable information from someone who has gone through the process, not just copying from the site.
Everything is clearly explained in the FAQ (https://mixtum.io/?faq):
10. How does your free trial mixing work?
You can initiate trial mixing via the respective button on the main page. The commission for cleansing will not be charged, but you must send us exactly 0.001 BTC.
I'm just explaining it again so you understand. You will still need to pay 0.0007 BTC as a transaction fee on the Bitcoin network during the Mix process, MixTum cannot pay this transaction fee for you. Free trial was created to help people who do not understand how to use MixTum to experiment with a small amount of BTC 0.001 ~ $40.
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I'm just explaining it again so you understand. You will still need to pay 0.0007 BTC as a transaction fee on the Bitcoin network during the Mix process, MixTum cannot pay this transaction fee for you. Free trial was created to help people who do not understand how to use MixTum to experiment with a small amount of BTC 0.001 ~ $40.
The only fee that needs to be paid when it comes to the "free mixing" option is the one that is paid for sending from the user's wallet to MixTum, and that fee is not fixed but depends on the current situation in the mempool, and on the number of user inputs from which the initial transaction results.
The fee you are talking about is applied to commercial transactions, which means that the user pays "4-5% + 0.0007 BTC (network fee)." I tried the free service a few months ago and I sent exactly 0.001 BTC and got the same amount back.
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I'm just explaining it again so you understand. You will still need to pay 0.0007 BTC as a transaction fee on the Bitcoin network during the Mix process, MixTum cannot pay this transaction fee for you. Free trial was created to help people who do not understand how to use MixTum to experiment with a small amount of BTC 0.001 ~ $40.
You obviously did not understand what I was asking, so I will do it again for you. So I'm not looking for quotes or an explanation of what is written on the site, but asking for personal experience with free mix on Mixtum
For example, Lucius answered exactly as I was looking for:
When I was in their campaign on the BTT forum, I tried the free mix and wrote my review - and I can confirm that the only fee you will pay is the one when you send coins to the mixer, which means only the miners fee. After that, you will receive the total amount that you sent back to the address that you specified in the mixing process.
All this assuming that nothing has changed in the last few months, and as far as I can see from the FAQ, everything has remained the same.
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For example, Lucius answered exactly as I was looking for:
When I was in their campaign on the BTT forum, I tried the free mix and wrote my review - and I can confirm that the only fee you will pay is the one when you send coins to the mixer, which means only the miners fee. After that, you will receive the total amount that you sent back to the address that you specified in the mixing process.
All this assuming that nothing has changed in the last few months, and as far as I can see from the FAQ, everything has remained the same.
At this stage I am starting to understand a little about Bitcoin transaction fees on the Mixer Mixtum platform but I have questions like these:
-Mixtum provides a Bitcoin Mixer service without a fee when Bitcoin mixing occurs and only gets a fee when I send Bitcoin to Mixtum's destination address.
-Then if this is done repeatedly by everyone who uses Mixtum, then how will Mixtum get funds if there is no fee when mixing Bitcoin??
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At this stage I am starting to understand a little about Bitcoin transaction fees on the Mixer Mixtum platform but I have questions like these:
-Mixtum provides a Bitcoin Mixer service without a fee when Bitcoin mixing occurs and only gets a fee when I send Bitcoin to Mixtum's destination address.
-Then if this is done repeatedly by everyone who uses Mixtum, then how will Mixtum get funds if there is no fee when mixing Bitcoin??
It's about mixing without charging a fee for testing purposes. I assume that Mixtum's idea is to encourage its users to try their service. For free testing, there is a limitation that the amount must be exactly 0.001. Not less or not more.
Everything else is considered regular use of the service and Mixer will charge for its services at pre-determined fees. It should be noted that it is for all "commercial" transactions minimum deposit is 0.003 BTC.
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The only fee that needs to be paid when it comes to the "free mixing" option is the one that is paid for sending from the user's wallet to MixTum, and that fee is not fixed but depends on the current situation in the mempool, and on the number of user inputs from which the initial transaction results.
The fee you are talking about is applied to commercial transactions, which means that the user pays "4-5% + 0.0007 BTC (network fee)." I tried the free service a few months ago and I sent exactly 0.001 BTC and got the same amount back.
Thank you so much for reconfirming this feature on Mixtum.
Mixtum can take a more specific example: only 1 output address, send 0.001 BTC, pay mining fees of 4.5K satoshi = $2, receive 0.001 BTC.
Other BTC Mixers should also learn from Mixtum to reach users more easily.
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At this stage I am starting to understand a little about Bitcoin transaction fees on the Mixer Mixtum platform but I have questions like these:
-Mixtum provides a Bitcoin Mixer service without a fee when Bitcoin mixing occurs and only gets a fee when I send Bitcoin to Mixtum's destination address.
-Then if this is done repeatedly by everyone who uses Mixtum, then how will Mixtum get funds if there is no fee when mixing Bitcoin??
It's about mixing without charging a fee for testing purposes. I assume that Mixtum's idea is to encourage its users to try their service. For free testing, there is a limitation that the amount must be exactly 0.001. Not less or not more.
Agghh i see , 0.001 Bitcoin is a value that is limited to testing, very smart ideas from marketing mixtum.
I can also now try to mix bitcoin on the mixtum platform with a value of 0.001 bitcoin.
Everything else is considered regular use of the service and Mixer will charge for its services at pre-determined fees. It should be noted that it is for all "commercial" transactions minimum deposit is 0.003 BTC.
Oh man, i got the ther point. I was too focused on the problem without checking the main website of the mixtum, sorry.
The minimum deposit is 0.003 BTC and this is a fairly large value for now and maybe around 130 USD but for Whales the value is very small because maybe Whales play with dozens of bitcoin to mix on the mixtum platform.
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Thank you so much for reconfirming this feature on Mixtum.
Mixtum can take a more specific example: only 1 output address, send 0.001 BTC, pay mining fees of 4.5K satoshi = $2, receive 0.001 BTC.
Other BTC Mixers should also learn from Mixtum to reach users more easily.
I also had some doubts until I tried it and made sure that the whole thing works, but testing is the best way to understand something. I also agree that (if I'm not mistaken) the free mixing option is a unique feature of MixTum, but I will also say that one mixer that unfortunately no longer exists had the greatest success with the "pay what you want" option, which might not be a bad option for mixing a certain amount, of course more than the 0.001 BTC that exists now.
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Oh man, i got the ther point. I was too focused on the problem without checking the main website of the mixtum, sorry.
The minimum deposit is 0.003 BTC and this is a fairly large value for now and maybe around 130 USD but for Whales the value is very small because maybe Whales play with dozens of bitcoin to mix on the mixtum platform.
With the high price of Bitcoin, along with high fees, all services become significantly more expensive. If this trend continues, for "small" payments, Bitcoin will become unusable.
For example, until now I paid for domain renewal in Bitcoin and the fee was not a problem for me, but the high price + high fee now makes the process significantly more expensive. All this is also reflected on the mixers and it is only worth mixing over 0.01 BTC.
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I also had some doubts until I tried it and made sure that the whole thing works, but testing is the best way to understand something. I also agree that (if I'm not mistaken) the free mixing option is a unique feature of MixTum, but I will also say that one mixer that unfortunately no longer exists had the greatest success with the "pay what you want" option, which might not be a bad option for mixing a certain amount, of course more than the 0.001 BTC that exists now.
Of course, one experiment will be worth many times theory and speculation. MixTum understands this and has provided a free trial feature for potential users.
Some Mixers allow customizing fees according to time and cleanliness of BTC, which is quite handy but sometimes users may not make wise choices, so MixTum has fixed the mixing time to 6h with fees not exceeding 5% + 0.0007 BTC.
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The minimum deposit is 0.003 BTC and this is a fairly large value for now and maybe around 130 USD but for Whales the value is very small because maybe Whales play with dozens of bitcoin to mix on the mixtum platform.
For example, until now I paid for domain renewal in Bitcoin and the fee was not a problem for me, but the high price + high fee now makes the process significantly more expensive. All this is also reflected on the mixers and it is only worth mixing over 0.01 BTC.
How do you mean?
I don't really understand this part, sorry.
Or maybe this is how I see it, the higher the price of Bitcoin, the higher the Bitcoin transaction costs.
All Bitcoin mixer platforms will also increase their minimum deposit balance, so that the mixer platform gets a % share of the profits.
For example, the price of Bitcoin rises to 210,000 USD and the Mixtum platform increases the minimum Bitcoin deposit balance for mixing, which was initially a minimum of 0.003 BTC but increased to 0.01 BTC for minimum deposit, is that what you mean??
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With the high price of Bitcoin, along with high fees, all services become significantly more expensive. If this trend continues, for "small" payments, Bitcoin will become unusable.
No.
We just won't use on-chain transactions for that.
Now we have Lightning, Liquid, and maybe some better layer two solutions will appear soon.
Privacy on-chain is still important and that can be done with more coins.
For example, until now I paid for domain renewal in Bitcoin and the fee was not a problem for me, but the high price + high fee now makes the process significantly more expensive. All this is also reflected on the mixers and it is only worth mixing over 0.01 BTC.
Even if you pay with fiat you have to pay extra fees, paypal and banks are charging and taking their cut all the time.
Right now I can send $5 or $5million dollar worth of Bitcoin and pay $1.3 or 20 sat/vB.
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How do you mean?
I don't really understand this part, sorry.
Or maybe this is how I see it, the higher the price of Bitcoin, the higher the Bitcoin transaction costs.
All Bitcoin mixer platforms will also increase their minimum deposit balance, so that the mixer platform gets a % share of the profits.
For example, the price of Bitcoin rises to 210,000 USD and the Mixtum platform increases the minimum Bitcoin deposit balance for mixing, which was initially a minimum of 0.003 BTC but increased to 0.01 BTC for minimum deposit, is that what you mean??
Currently, the Mixtum service fee is 5% + 0.0007 BTC, so for example, for a mixing amount of 0.003, the total fee will be up to 0.00085 BTC. With network congestion like we've had lately, sending coins to Mixtum can also cost 0.00015 through a network fee. Which is a total of 0.001 BTC, and with the Bitcoin price as you suggest $210k we arrive at the $210 cost of this service.
Sounds crazy, right? This is just an example and applies to all businesses with smaller payment amounts.
With the high price of Bitcoin, along with high fees, all services become significantly more expensive. If this trend continues, for "small" payments, Bitcoin will become unusable.
No.
We just won't use on-chain transactions for that.
Now we have Lightning, Liquid, and maybe some better layer two solutions will appear soon.
Privacy on-chain is still important and that can be done with more coins.
We also have Litecoin, TRX, BNB, Matic, ADA or any other with cheap transactions, but not all of them are implemented as a payment method on many services. Bitcoin is good for large amounts, as you say yourself, but for small amounts, it is definitely out of business.
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I don't think the fees to Mix BTC should be calculated in $, but should be calculated as a % of the initial amount.
For example: I want to Mix 10 BTC, I am willing to pay 5% fees for the service. This is completely normal, even though that 5% would be 0.5BTC = $22K.
When the initial amount is large enough, the +0.0007 BTC fees will be a very small percentage and can be considered insignificant. As in the example above, to Mix 10BTC, I have to pay fees of 5% x 10BTC + 0.0007 BTC = 0.5007 BTC = 5.007% of the initial amount.
Let's consider few estimates:
| Initial (BTC) | | | Fees (BTC) | | | Fees/Initial |
| 0.003 | | | 0.00085 | | | 28.3% |
| 0.005 | | | 0.00095 | | | 19% |
| 0.01 | | | 0.0012 | | | 12% |
| 0.1 | | | 0.00057 | | | 5.7% |
| 1 | | | 0.0507 | | | 5.07% |
| 10 | | | 0.5007 | | | 5.007% |
| 50 | | | 2.5007 | | | 5.0014% |
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For example, the price of Bitcoin rises to 210,000 USD and the Mixtum platform increases the minimum Bitcoin deposit balance for mixing, which was initially a minimum of 0.003 BTC but increased to 0.01 BTC for minimum deposit, is that what you mean??
Currently, the Mixtum service fee is 5% + 0.0007 BTC, so for example, for a mixing amount of 0.003, the total fee will be up to 0.00085 BTC. With network congestion like we've had lately, sending coins to Mixtum can also cost 0.00015 through a network fee. Which is a total of 0.001 BTC, and with the Bitcoin price as you suggest $210k we arrive at the $210 cost of this service.
Sounds crazy, right? This is just an example and applies to all businesses with smaller payment amounts.
Dammnnn, Holy ****. I just found out about this calculation and it made me quite surprised to see that the fees given to them were so large.
The calculations are very systematic and easy for me to understand, I don't hesitate to give you +1 for your answer. 8)
This means that all Bitcoin Mixer platforms have made extraordinary profits.
Users also get satisfaction because they dissolve every Bitcoin transaction they have, even though sacrificing a fairly large fee is not a problem.
I don't think the fees to Mix BTC should be calculated in $, but should be calculated as a % of the initial amount.
For example: I want to Mix 10 BTC, I am willing to pay 5% fees for the service. This is completely normal, even though that 5% would be 0.5BTC = $22K.
When the initial amount is large enough, the +0.0007 BTC fees will be a very small percentage and can be considered insignificant. As in the example above, to Mix 10BTC, I have to pay fees of 5% x 10BTC + 0.0007 BTC = 0.5007 BTC = 5.007% of the initial amount.
Let's consider few estimates:
| Initial (BTC) | | | Fees (BTC) | | | Fees/Initial |
| 0.003 | | | 0.00085 | | | 28.3% |
| 0.005 | | | 0.00095 | | | 19% |
| 0.01 | | | 0.0012 | | | 12% |
| 0.1 | | | 0.00057 | | | 5.7% |
| 1 | | | 0.0507 | | | 5.07% |
| 10 | | | 0.5007 | | | 5.007% |
| 50 | | | 2.5007 | | | 5.0014% |
This means that your statement is exactly the same as the examplens, for mixing Bitcoin with a small value it is a loss to do, but if we mix Bitcoin with a large value then the fee is relatively cheaper than with a small value of Bitcoin when mixing.
It can be seen from the table that there are significant differences starting from number 1 table to the last table.
The fee comparison is the difference with the other ones, the initial fee was 28% and the final fee was only 5%.
The problem is, when do I have 50 Bitcoins to mixing at Mixtum platform? lol
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Dammnnn, Holy ****. I just found out about this calculation and it made me quite surprised to see that the fees given to them were so large.
The calculations are very systematic and easy for me to understand, I don't hesitate to give you +1 for your answer. 8)
This means that all Bitcoin Mixer platforms have made extraordinary profits.
Users also get satisfaction because they dissolve every Bitcoin transaction they have, even though sacrificing a fairly large fee is not a problem.
yes, quite crazy, isn't it? Whenever you hear it being celebrated that Bitcoin broke a new ATH, remember that it's not great for "small" users.
It's not just a matter of mixers, this affects all services that have many small transactions.
You can also see this list of almost all mixers, their service fees and other features they offer LIST - Bitcoin mixers & Tumbler services! ✅✅ (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0)
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yes, quite crazy, isn't it? Whenever you hear it being celebrated that Bitcoin broke a new ATH, remember that it's not great for "small" users.
It's not just a matter of mixers, this affects all services that have many small transactions.
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If we're being honest, the fees went wild in the past months just because some decided to use the BTC blockchain for something that definitely doesn't belong there - the price of BTC has nothing to do with the fees (mostly). If you look at the statistics in the last 7 days, you can see that the price of BTC went up almost 10%, and the fees are very low.
I would say that "small users" really have reason to be happy these days, and to hope that no new "mempool usurpers" will appear.
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You can also see this list of almost all mixers, their service fees and other features they offer LIST - Bitcoin mixers & Tumbler services! ✅✅ (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0)
Welp, so Mixtum is really one of the high asking fees mixers. Based on this list, every jambler partnered sites have somewhat similar on fee structure and could be something on the code or partnership itself. So the mixer asking little to no (dynamic) fees era are long gone.
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Welp, so Mixtum is really one of the high asking fees mixers. Based on this list, every jambler partnered sites have somewhat similar on fee structure and could be something on the code or partnership itself. So the mixer asking little to no (dynamic) fees era are long gone.
I think that users on the whole don't pay much attention to fees (of course, as long as it's not ridiculous) when they know they're getting a reliable service in return.
Unfortunately, in our world, privacy comes at a price, and that's not going to get any easier in the near future imo.
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You can also see this list of almost all mixers, their service fees and other features they offer LIST - Bitcoin mixers & Tumbler services! ✅✅ (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0)
Welp, so Mixtum is really one of the high asking fees mixers. Based on this list, every jambler partnered sites have somewhat similar on fee structure and could be something on the code or partnership itself. So the mixer asking little to no (dynamic) fees era are long gone.
It is gone, because regulators have their eyes on mixers and are trying to limit their operation. It is not easy to work in such conditions, especially given that advertising if mixers services is also being condensed. Despite the fact that there can be no real consequences for most users, bans in some countries discourage and intimidate many people from using these services. And this does not help attract new clients. Mixers must survive and must provide the services they offer. Therefore, it is not surprising that the fees are high. But I don't see any problem with that as long as the quality of provided services is high.
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If we're being honest, the fees went wild in the past months just because some decided to use the BTC blockchain for something that definitely doesn't belong there - the price of BTC has nothing to do with the fees (mostly). If you look at the statistics in the last 7 days, you can see that the price of BTC went up almost 10%, and the fees are very low.
I would say that "small users" really have reason to be happy these days, and to hope that no new "mempool usurpers" will appear.
It seems you are talking about the Inscription trend on the Bitcoin blockchain. They have caused network congestion and pushed transaction fees to very high levels, even $20 per transaction. However, we are seeing the rise of Layer-2 solutions on Bitcoin such as Stacks, Liquid, RootStock, SatoshiVM..., this will be a new home for Inscription and the Bitcoin network will be peaceful for basic purposes.
As fees decrease, users will benefit from sending BTC to the address specified by MixTum. I even hope that MixTum can lower the minimum cost in the future, 0.0007 BTC can be reduced to 0.0005 BTC :D
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It seems you are talking about the Inscription trend on the Bitcoin blockchain. They have caused network congestion and pushed transaction fees to very high levels, even $20 per transaction. However, we are seeing the rise of Layer-2 solutions on Bitcoin such as Stacks, Liquid, RootStock, SatoshiVM..., this will be a new home for Inscription and the Bitcoin network will be peaceful for basic purposes.
The fees have actually reached almost double the amount you mention, but it should be taken into account that the fee depends not only on the current state of the mempool, but also on how many inputs/outputs you have in your transaction. This means that transactions can be quite expensive for some if they have a lot of so-called "dust transactions" and for those who don't know that in some wallets there is an option called "coin control" with which we can very precisely spend exactly what we want and thus avoid a large transaction price.
As fees decrease, users will benefit from sending BTC to the address specified by MixTum. I even hope that MixTum can lower the minimum cost in the future, 0.0007 BTC can be reduced to 0.0005 BTC :D
Look, it can always be too expensive for the one who sends it, but we have to take into account that the mixer has to somehow make money for all the costs it has, as well as for some kind of profit, which is why such a service exists.
What I can say is that if MixTum does well, I assume that it will provide even better conditions for users in the future.
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Look, it can always be too expensive for the one who sends it, but we have to take into account that the mixer has to somehow make money for all the costs it has, as well as for some kind of profit, which is why such a service exists.
I agree with you most of the services want to gain some kind of revenue but they're providing good privacy and their mixing is working in the best way possible and that's more than enough for us.
Such services has some costs and they also want to earn money by offering those services. I think it's worth it to spend money in order to have best mixing experience and in that department Mixtum is doing a great job.
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I think it's worth it to spend money in order to have best mixing experience and in that department Mixtum is doing a great job.
For those who want to protect their privacy and at the same time use Bitcoin for payment, these services really provide an essential service. Given that the blockchain is a public record of all transactions, it is quite logical to break the link between the coins that we keep in safe storage and those coins that we pay for something with, especially if that payment includes the delivery of some goods to our physical address.
We never know who can get hold of that data and then connect our BTC with our identity, which is by no means something that should happen.
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The fees have actually reached almost double the amount you mention, but it should be taken into account that the fee depends not only on the current state of the mempool, but also on how many inputs/outputs you have in your transaction. This means that transactions can be quite expensive for some if they have a lot of so-called "dust transactions" and for those who don't know that in some wallets there is an option called "coin control" with which we can very precisely spend exactly what we want and thus avoid a large transaction price.
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Look, it can always be too expensive for the one who sends it, but we have to take into account that the mixer has to somehow make money for all the costs it has, as well as for some kind of profit, which is why such a service exists.
What I can say is that if MixTum does well, I assume that it will provide even better conditions for users in the future.
Yeah, I understand the mechanism for determining transaction fees: the more complex, the more vB needed, the busier the network, the higher the price per vB. I think we can only expect the latter: the network is less busy, the price per vB will decrease and users pay less, MixTum itself will not need to spend too much money when operating, From there, it is possible to reduce transaction fees from 0.0007 to lower fees.
MixTum also needs income and profits to maintain its service, and users who really need it will worry too much about transaction fees. As I estimated in the table, when the amount of BTC needed to be mixed is over 1 BTC, the fee will return to nearly 5%.
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For those who want to protect their privacy and at the same time use Bitcoin for payment, these services really provide an essential service. Given that the blockchain is a public record of all transactions, it is quite logical to break the link between the coins that we keep in safe storage and those coins that we pay for something with, especially if that payment includes the delivery of some goods to our physical address.
We never know who can get hold of that data and then connect our BTC with our identity, which is by no means something that should happen.
Yes, you're right and whatever you said is very true. The mixers are a gift for those who want their coins to be untraceable and want those to have highest privacy. Most people who hold their Bitcoin would use mixers to send those coins at multiple wallets so others might not know that how many wallets they have and what they have done with their BTC.
I believe privacy is the most important thing in someone's life and those services help us to achieve maximum privacy with our Bitcoin. You can simply send you Bitcoin from one wallet to other and then again to other but that can be traced by chainlink experts but I'm very sure mixed coins can't be traced by anyone and thus it's a win-win situation for the one who mixes his/her coins, and for the mixers.
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I've been trying to access Mixtum for hours and am still unable to do so.
I've been unable to visit both the clearnet and onion sites; could someone else please try? I'm not sure if it's just my end or in general.
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I've been trying to access Mixtum for hours and am still unable to do so.
I've been unable to visit both the clearnet and onion sites; could someone else please try? I'm not sure if it's just my end or in general.
It's the same thing with me. Both sites are offline clearnet and onion.
We will wait for an official announcement from someone from the Mixtum team.
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I've been trying to access Mixtum for hours and am still unable to do so.
I've been unable to visit both the clearnet and onion sites; could someone else please try? I'm not sure if it's just my end or in general.
Links for both Mixtum websites are down for me and they cant be accessed now.
I didnt see any planned maintenance work, but better to wait from officials or manager to post more information.
Does anyone know if Mixtum have account in telegram or somewhere else?
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I've been trying to access Mixtum for hours and am still unable to do so.
I've been unable to visit both the clearnet and onion sites; could someone else please try? I'm not sure if it's just my end or in general.
From your post timestamp it looks like the website is down for several hours now, accessing it via my phone device gives me "web server down" error. There's still no official statement from OP too.
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...MixTum itself will not need to spend too much money when operating, From there, it is possible to reduce transaction fees from 0.0007 to lower fees.
The "problem" with your idea is that at any moment the fees can change drastically, and it is difficult for any service to automatically react to such changes, and therefore they set some kind of fixed fee that serves as a protective mechanism.
MixTum also needs income and profits to maintain its service, and users who really need it will worry too much about transaction fees. As I estimated in the table, when the amount of BTC needed to be mixed is over 1 BTC, the fee will return to nearly 5%.
Such a fee may seem too high compared to other mixers, but MixTum has (as far as I know) a unique mixing method, which consists in the fact that the user does not receive coins that are the product of mixing coins that arrive in the mixer, but they are BTC that come directly from various CEXs. In this way, a much higher level of privacy is obtained, and then it must have a slightly higher price.
I can also confirm that the mixer is down, we hope it's just regular maintenance, and this has happened in the past, so for now we have to wait until the situation is resolved.
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The "problem" with your idea is that at any moment the fees can change drastically, and it is difficult for any service to automatically react to such changes, and therefore they set some kind of fixed fee that serves as a protective mechanism.
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Such a fee may seem too high compared to other mixers, but MixTum has (as far as I know) a unique mixing method, which consists in the fact that the user does not receive coins that are the product of mixing coins that arrive in the mixer, but they are BTC that come directly from various CEXs. In this way, a much higher level of privacy is obtained, and then it must have a slightly higher price.
I can also confirm that the mixer is down, we hope it's just regular maintenance, and this has happened in the past, so for now we have to wait until the situation is resolved.
Yeah, I understand this, Mixtum has a reason to charge high fees to protect the business model and quality of BTC Mixing. The cost of withdrawing from CEX is quite expensive compared to transferring BTC onchain, for example Binance charges 0.00062 for BTC SegWit.
At the moment Mixtum site is still under maintenance and cannot be accessed. I hope this process will end soon and Mixtum will continue to serve users with better quality. I'm waiting for new features or options on Mixtum 8)
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Yeah, I understand this, Mixtum has a reason to charge high fees to protect the business model and quality of BTC Mixing. The cost of withdrawing from CEX is quite expensive compared to transferring BTC onchain, for example Binance charges 0.00062 for BTC SegWit.
And they are doing terrible job in managing transaction fees among other things :P
Binance is one of the main reasons why we don't have much lower fees on bitcoin now, they have huge amount of unconfirmed transactions.
At the moment Mixtum site is still under maintenance and cannot be accessed. I hope this process will end soon and Mixtum will continue to serve users with better quality. I'm waiting for new features or options on Mixtum 8)
Did anyone explain what the heck is happening with Mixtum?
I can't access their website also.
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And they are doing terrible job in managing transaction fees among other things :P
Binance is one of the main reasons why we don't have much lower fees on bitcoin now, they have huge amount of unconfirmed transactions.
Wasn't there some information that Binance has its own pool, just because of transaction confirmations and low fee?
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MixTum is undergoing maintenance.
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Does Mixtum plan to start new signature and review campaign in AltcoinsTalks forum soon?
I see there is big visible Mixtum banner on top of forum page but additional signature promotion would make positive impact.
Honestly, this is quite likely. But for now there is no need for this since there is banner advertising.
Perhaps in a month or two I will return to this thought! Thank you!
I hope altcoinstalks.com campaigns and advertising has a good seo impact.
Bitcointalk impact is huge, this is why so many people advertise there.
Imo, we lack more technical discussions because those discussions are the ones which rank high in Google.
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I hope altcoinstalks.com campaigns and advertising has a good seo impact.
Bitcointalk impact is huge, this is why so many people advertise there.
Imo, we lack more technical discussions because those discussions are the ones which rank high in Google.
Bitcointalk has been online for many years and altcoinstalks isn't as old as Bitcointalk but I can see now that this forum is also getting very active because of the mixers that are advertising their services on this forum.
I'm very sure that if such traffic continues here and many topics and good replies continue flowing here then this forum can also play a very important role for SEO purposes.
In future if the growth continues then we might see this forum in top Google ranks which's going to be very useful and I'm also pretty sure that such growth will be fruitful for the mixers that are advertising their services on this forum including Mixtum.
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Wasn't there some information that Binance has its own pool, just because of transaction confirmations and low fee?
They have binance pool for more profit not because of lower transaction fees, and you can see that is not working out for them because someone is not going their job like they should.
I hope altcoinstalks.com campaigns and advertising has a good seo impact.
Make it happen :)
SEO optimization would help a little,but you can't create a real tech discussion from nothing.
Mixtum and other mixers can also help with adding links to altcoinstalks forum.
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Bitcointalk has been online for many years and altcoinstalks isn't as old as Bitcointalk but I can see now that this forum is also getting very active because of the mixers that are advertising their services on this forum.
I'm very sure that if such traffic continues here and many topics and good replies continue flowing here then this forum can also play a very important role for SEO purposes.
In future if the growth continues then we might see this forum in top Google ranks which's going to be very useful and I'm also pretty sure that such growth will be fruitful for the mixers that are advertising their services on this forum including Mixtum.
AltcoinsTalks forum is growing strongly thanks to market recovery, teleported members and quality signature campaigns. I see that the quality of the forum is improving, the number of visits is increasing and helping crypto Mixing services to be promoted to crypto users. Friendliness will help AltcoinsTalks continue to grow.
- AltcoinsTalks forum simple monthly report: Jan 2024 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316731.0)
MixTum is being promoted on the Global banner, the best position of AltcoinsTalks forum, so I believe MixTum will have more users. In addition, MixTum's ANN also helps AltcoinsTalks reach more crypto users, the forum will have more members with more experience in the crypto market.
AltcoinsTalks welcomes MixTum ;D
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MixTum is undergoing maintenance.
The site is still down, any info on when it should be back online?
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MixTum is undergoing maintenance.
The site is still down, any info on when it should be back online?
Until today it is still down. I'm afraid this could lead huge loss of profit on Mixtum's end if this will still continue. Signature campaigns and other existing promotion or ads is somewhat useless. Can someone tell if the .onion site is down too? (I'm not a tor user so)
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Until today it is still down. I'm afraid this could lead huge loss of profit on Mixtum's end if this will still continue. Signature campaigns and other existing promotion or ads is somewhat useless. Can someone tell if the .onion site is down too? (I'm not a tor user so)
Onion version is down too for now (URL used: https://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/)
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Onion version is down too for now (URL used: https://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/)
Is it just me that this is getting weird, having the site been down for several days now? Maintenance should be just a few hours or at least a day. I see the site is hosted in namecheap and idk if namecheap doesn't have any restrictions on such site's category.
Anyway, I hope the site will be fixed soon.
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Until today it is still down. I'm afraid this could lead huge loss of profit on Mixtum's end if this will still continue. Signature campaigns and other existing promotion or ads is somewhat useless. Can someone tell if the .onion site is down too? (I'm not a tor user so)
I think I saw that at least one mixer is in maintenance, and I don't know if it has anything to do with the fact that several mixers have currently paused their sig campaigns on the forum. We can only hope that things will return to normal with the beginning of the new week.
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I think I saw that at least one mixer is in maintenance, and I don't know if it has anything to do with the fact that several mixers have currently paused their sig campaigns on the forum. We can only hope that things will return to normal with the beginning of the new week.
MixTum has been running since 2018 so I believe it will continue to do well in the future. It's possible that the MixTum team is working on an important upgrade to improve the service and make MixTum more user-friendly. I'm not worried about the future of MixTum, I'm just waiting for MixTum's improvements when it returns ;D
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Until today it is still down. I'm afraid this could lead huge loss of profit on Mixtum's end if this will still continue. Signature campaigns and other existing promotion or ads is somewhat useless. Can someone tell if the .onion site is down too? (I'm not a tor user so)
I think I saw that at least one mixer is in maintenance, and I don't know if it has anything to do with the fact that several mixers have currently paused their sig campaigns on the forum. We can only hope that things will return to normal with the beginning of the new week.
This may take a little longer than usual for regular service maintenance. I've just tested the Mixtum Telegram bot, and there's no response there either.
It's possible that the MixTum team is working on an important upgrade to improve the service and make MixTum more user-friendly.
Mixtum had one of the better interfaces when it comes to mixer services, why do you think that improving user-friendliness should be worked on here?
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Mixtum had one of the better interfaces when it comes to mixer services, why do you think that improving user-friendliness should be worked on here?
I agree with you that MixTum has an extremely beautiful and user-friendly interface, and I do not ask the MixTum team to improve the website's interface. I just guess that something new and big is coming, the interface is one of the things that comes to mind. This is just my own guess, not a quest I gave ^^
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This must be one of the longest time period to see Mixtum service and website are not available.
It doesnt look good to continue advertising in forum and signatures if you cant use this service.
Does anyone know they are coming back online and finishing this maintanence?
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Mixtum had one of the better interfaces when it comes to mixer services, why do you think that improving user-friendliness should be worked on here?
Well I have not used Mixtum to mixed coins but I will use it when mixing next time but I have used few of them and their services were good and smoothly. But what I want to say here is that there is different between having a good interface in the platform and having a good services in the platform. Mixtum platform is normally good but I can't speak for the services. And if the services are not good it would be the customers who are using the site will have a good input to it and not the outsiders. And if the side is down for sometimes then, they should inform the company through their representatives why the downturn of the site so that there would be no panic. That is one of the proactive step for a good project management.
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Well I have not used Mixtum to mixed coins but I will use it when mixing next time but I have used few of them and their services were good and smoothly. But what I want to say here is that there is different between having a good interface in the platform and having a good services in the platform. Mixtum platform is normally good but I can't speak for the services. And if the services are not good it would be the customers who are using the site will have a good input to it and not the outsiders. And if the side is down for sometimes then, they should inform the company through their representatives why the downturn of the site so that there would be no panic. That is one of the proactive step for a good project management.
This topic on AltcoinsTalks is considered a support channel for MixTum users, and MixTum has clearly announced this Maintenance. MixTum has been operating and serving users very well since 2018, so I think we don't need to worry too much.
MixTum is undergoing maintenance.
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This must be one of the longest time period to see Mixtum service and website are not available.
It doesnt look good to continue advertising in forum and signatures if you cant use this service.
Does anyone know they are coming back online and finishing this maintanence?
I fundamentally disagree with you.
Promotion through a signature campaign is a long-term strategy that requires a lot of effort and time for the brand to take its rightful place in the niche. And neither I nor MixTum believe that a maintenance break should in any way affect the campaign.
The core of our community (in particular MixTum supporters) should feel confident regardless of the circumstances.
p.s. Those works are related to the fact that Jumbler is updating its security system, so this affected MixTum.
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I fundamentally disagree with you.
Promotion through a signature campaign is a long-term strategy that requires a lot of effort and time for the brand to take its rightful place in the niche. And neither I nor MixTum believe that a maintenance break should in any way affect the campaign.
The core of our community (in particular MixTum supporters) should feel confident regardless of the circumstances.
p.s. Those works are related to the fact that Jumbler is updating its security system, so this affected MixTum.
Thank you icopress for this valuable update!
I believe that MixTum supporters and users still have faith in MixTum's services in the crypto market!
I'm very happy to wear avatar and signature to increase brand recognition for MixTum on the AltcoinsTalks forum!
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I believe that MixTum supporters and users still have faith in MixTum's services in the crypto market!
Say no more, mixtum website is accessible now, visited it just few hours ago, at least on my end.
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Say no more, mixtum website is accessible now, visited it just few hours ago, at least on my end.
It appears that this was only temporary as it is not working at the moment. In any case, it's good that we got an update on the situation, so now we know what it's really about. I hope that both services will make their upgrades and come back even stronger and better than before.
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MixTum is now working normally again.
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It appears that this was only temporary as it is not working at the moment. In any case, it's good that we got an update on the situation, so now we know what it's really about. I hope that both services will make their upgrades and come back even stronger and better than before.
Now MixTum is working again with all its strength, I just checked and can access the MixTum website. It appears that all issues from Jumbler have been resolved and users can continue using MixTum to protect the anonymity of their BTC.
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MixTum is now working normally again.
It still doesn't work for me (onion link), but I can confirm that the clearnet address is active again, although difficult to access if accessed with Tor (CF captcha).
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MixTum is now working normally again.
Mixtum onion website is not working for me, so I guess they didnt complete maintenance or maybe they changed something with the link?
Clearnet version is ok but I would not use that for any serious mixing.
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This must be one of the longest time period to see Mixtum service and website are not available.
It doesnt look good to continue advertising in forum and signatures if you cant use this service.
Does anyone know they are coming back online and finishing this maintanence?
Services have to go under maintenance from time to time, otherwise they won't develop and fix shortcomings. This is a normal practice and I consider this an advantage and an indicator that MixTum is a reliable and long-term player that cares about its reputation and user experience. It does look good, because there were an official notice about suspending work and then returning to it.
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The Mixtum onion site is still offline. I guess it's not a serious problem with the new update
If I may ask, what about the Mixtum collectible cards, are they all spent on Btt or is there any chance that we will see a raffle with them here?
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The Mixtum onion site is still offline. I guess it's not a serious problem with the new update
If I may ask, what about the Mixtum collectible cards, are they all spent on Btt or is there any chance that we will see a raffle with them here?
I think the last 12 Mixtum cards were won in the raffle organised by Gazeta on BTT. It seems that there are no more pending and that everything has been distributed.
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I think the last 12 Mixtum cards were won in the raffle organised by Gazeta on BTT. It seems that there are no more pending and that everything has been distributed.
Who knows, maybe there will be an Altcoinstalks collectable series :D
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Who knows, maybe there will be an Altcoinstalks collectable series :D
I hope so!
I was lucky enough to win a Unijoin card, but I still miss a Mixtum one in my collection :D
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The Mixtum onion site is still offline. I guess it's not a serious problem with the new update
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I hope that they will fix it as soon as possible, because those who value their privacy a little more than others are still looking for this way of accessing the mixer. I wonder what the reason is that the onion site is not yet operational, because I have no doubt that the people behind this mixer are not able to do it in a very short time.
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I hope that they will fix it as soon as possible, because those who value their privacy a little more than others are still looking for this way of accessing the mixer. I wonder what the reason is that the onion site is not yet operational, because I have no doubt that the people behind this mixer are not able to do it in a very short time.
I think we should wait for a clear answer from MixTum team about Tor Mirror version. Clearnet version came back after the issue with Jumbler was resolved, I hope MixTum doesn't face any serious issues this time. The return of Tor Mirror version will meet the strict security needs of users.
I think the last 12 Mixtum cards were won in the raffle organised by Gazeta on BTT.
Please tell us more about MixTum collectable cards, are they NFTs BRC-20 and what is their value?
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Please tell us more about MixTum collectable cards, are they NFTs BRC-20 and what is their value?
These are physical plastic cards/wallets with Mixtum print. They can be loaded with Bitcoin (I think some were given away with a 0.001BTC balance). After the ban on promoting mixers on Btt, the entire series was distributed at the end of the year.
Here are the original pictures so you know what it is about
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If you really want this cards you need to to contact team Icarus in bitcointalk forum, they are making them.
I can also make special edition Satochip cards that can be used as open source hardware wallet and seed phrase backup, but there needs to be more interested members who are willing to pay for this.
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These are physical plastic cards/wallets with Mixtum print. They can be loaded with Bitcoin (I think some were given away with a 0.001BTC balance).
Can they be loaded only with Bitcoin or some other currencies as well? And how can I use those Bitcoins with this card? Like any other credit/debit card for online purchases and by using terminal? If so, will my Bitcoins convert automatically into some local currency or can I use it only to buy things, which price is defined in bitcoin? Or is it more like a wallet for storage crypto?
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Can they be loaded only with Bitcoin or some other currencies as well? And how can I use those Bitcoins with this card? Like any other credit/debit card for online purchases and by using terminal? If so, will my Bitcoins convert automatically into some local currency or can I use it only to buy things, which price is defined in bitcoin? Or is it more like a wallet for storage crypto?
For now, at my knowledge Icarus cards are BTC-only. Would love some XMR cards btw.
If you want to spend your BTC, you have to import the private key hidden on the card. It can be done easily through Electrum.
Once done, you will have access to the funds.
These cards are more like collectibles, they are not able to make payments.
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Can they be loaded only with Bitcoin or some other currencies as well? And how can I use those Bitcoins with this card? Like any other credit/debit card for online purchases and by using terminal? If so, will my Bitcoins convert automatically into some local currency or can I use it only to buy things, which price is defined in bitcoin? Or is it more like a wallet for storage crypto?
For now, at my knowledge Icarus cards are BTC-only. Would love some XMR cards btw.
Given that it is only a matter of printing, I believe that it is not a special requirement that there be other currencies besides BTC.
These cards are more like collectibles, they are not able to make payments.
Collectibles with the option of a guaranteed value. I will have some special occasions during the year, I will probably use the custom Satochip as a gift.
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Can they be loaded only with Bitcoin or some other currencies as well?
They are not, just collectibles. If card collectibles like this is loaded, it means the private key and wallet address is printed on the key while the private card is something like partially hidden.
And how can I use those Bitcoins with this card? Like any other credit/debit card for online purchases and by using terminal? If so, will my Bitcoins convert automatically into some local currency or can I use it only to buy things, which price is defined in bitcoin? Or is it more like a wallet for storage crypto?
This is more like collectibles, knowing it's a mixer's "featured product" i don't think a debit/credit card product is suitable for them.
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For now, at my knowledge Icarus cards are BTC-only. Would love some XMR cards btw.
If you want to spend your BTC, you have to import the private key hidden on the card. It can be done easily through Electrum.
Once done, you will have access to the funds.
These cards are more like collectibles, they are not able to make payments.
MixTum cards look great, to me they are like real NFTs for us to collect and keep as souvenirs. I also have no need to pay because using crypto in my country is the simplest way to be sent to prison :)
I hope that they will have some effect, for example this is a gift to community members who have been supporting and promoting MixTum. It would be better if there was a gift-code on the card to reduce BTC mixing fee on MixTum ^^
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MixTum cards look great, to me they are like real NFTs for us to collect and keep as souvenirs. I also have no need to pay because using crypto in my country is the simplest way to be sent to prison :)
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From your post history, I assume which country you are from - although it is strange to me that they have banned payment with cryptocurrencies, and at the same time allow trading and storage of them. As far as I know, Thailand and Turkey have similar laws, so even though the ban is not complete - when you ban cryptocurrency as a currency, you have destroyed the essence of its existence.
As for the fines, I found that they are only monetary and there is no mention of prison - maybe you go to prison if you can't pay the fine?
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From your post history, I assume which country you are from - although it is strange to me that they have banned payment with cryptocurrencies, and at the same time allow trading and storage of them. As far as I know, Thailand and Turkey have similar laws, so even though the ban is not complete - when you ban cryptocurrency as a currency, you have destroyed the essence of its existence.
As for the fines, I found that they are only monetary and there is no mention of prison - maybe you go to prison if you can't pay the fine?
Currently, Vietnam only allows people to hold and trade crypto. Using crypto to pay instead of fiat is considered a violation of the law, affecting the economy. If the violation is on a large scale and creates serious consequences, the violator may have to go to prison. In Vietnam, not all crimes can be settled with money.
When crypto is in a gray area, victims of crypto scams are not protected by law. In return, crypto investors in Vietnam do not need to pay tax on crypto income 8)
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When crypto is in a gray area, victims of crypto scams are not protected by law.
I think that protecting yourself from scams is the task solely of the person himself. You cannot rely on the law in this matter. Even if cryptocurrency is not in a grey area, it remains a fairly vast field with blurred boundaries, and legislation is not able to adapt to it so quickly. Even if the law requires that scammers be prosecuted, it could take years. And after such a time, the result may no longer be relevant. Therefore, it is a personal responsibility to avoid scammers and improve your personal security.
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I think that protecting yourself from scams is the task solely of the person himself. You cannot rely on the law in this matter. Even if cryptocurrency is not in a grey area, it remains a fairly vast field with blurred boundaries, and legislation is not able to adapt to it so quickly. Even if the law requires that scammers be prosecuted, it could take years. And after such a time, the result may no longer be relevant. Therefore, it is a personal responsibility to avoid scammers and improve your personal security.
Yeah, I understand this, but I think in some cases, we need government intervention to punish scammers in the market, especially when we have enough evidence. In 2017-2018, a $660M crypto scam took place in Vietnam, the victims had enough evidence but could not put the scammers in jail because the law could not yet identify the crypto/token is money, property or goods.
Perhaps right now the scammers are enjoying a luxurious life somewhere, while the victims are still paying off their debts for the rest of their lives.
I hope our government will have a clear legal framework and a low crypto income tax of less than 10%, which will help the government have more budget to continue promoting blockchain technology in Vietnam.
[1] Vietnam: Pincoin, Ifan ICOs Exposed As Scams That Allegedly Stole $660 Million (https://cointelegraph.com/news/vietnam-pincoin-ifan-icos-exposed-as-scams-that-allegedly-stole-660-million)
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Mixtum onion site is still offline?
http://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/
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Mixtum onion site is still offline?
http://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/
Checked it and it's still the same, there's no follow updates of the team too, well, they don't have official rep here so.. This is really a huge drawback to those who wants full privacy when dealing mixers especially mixtum's clearnet website is using cloudflare.
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Checked it and it's still the same, there's no follow updates of the team too, well, they don't have official rep here so.. This is really a huge drawback to those who wants full privacy when dealing mixers especially mixtum's clearnet website is using cloudflare.
I just sent them an email to ask for some updates on this
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Checked it and it's still the same, there's no follow updates of the team too, well, they don't have official rep here so.. This is really a huge drawback to those who wants full privacy when dealing mixers especially mixtum's clearnet website is using cloudflare.
I think they might be having some hosting related issues with their tor mirror, and I believe they'll fix it soon. Mixtum has been on the picture for a long term and they really care about the privacy of their users. I believe they might be working in background to solve that issue and they may have their tor mirror up and running once again.
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I think they might be having some hosting related issues with their tor mirror, and I believe they'll fix it soon. Mixtum has been on the picture for a long term and they really care about the privacy of their users. I believe they might be working in background to solve that issue and they may have their tor mirror up and running once again.
A large number of mixer users use TOR exclusively, I would not say that in the case when the onion site does not work, they switch to the clearnet site. Especially if there is serious competition.
The losses are certainly noticeable, which is why it is unusual that the onion site has been offline for so long.
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A large number of mixer users use TOR exclusively, I would not say that in the case when the onion site does not work, they switch to the clearnet site. Especially if there is serious competition.
The losses are certainly noticeable, which is why it is unusual that the onion site has been offline for so long.
You're right mixer users give more priority to Tor usage and they always use the Onion side of a mixer. Those users who use clearnet site often don't mix huge amounts and that's why it's mandatory for Mixtum to check and fix their Onion site as soon as they possibly can. I'm sure that Mixtum team might find these posts and try their best to fix out their onion site.
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You're right mixer users give more priority to Tor usage and they always use the Onion side of a mixer. Those users who use clearnet site often don't mix huge amounts and that's why it's mandatory for Mixtum to check and fix their Onion site as soon as they possibly can. I'm sure that Mixtum team might find these posts and try their best to fix out their onion site.
From my personal observation, I would not agree that this is exactly the case, and somehow it seems to me that Tor is not something that most of those who use mixers are familiar with. From what I've observed over the years on the BTT forum, very few members use Tor because it's too slow for them, or they simply don't know that it's a regular browser like all other browsers with the exception that it's focused on privacy.
I don't know why MixTum hasn't fixed his onion page for so long, but maybe it has something to do with the case of an alleged scam that happened to another mixer, and a malicious tor exit node is also mentioned as a potential cause. I already wrote before that I don't think the point is that they can't do it, but that they have a good reason why that version of the site doesn't work.
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From my personal observation, I would not agree that this is exactly the case, and somehow it seems to me that Tor is not something that most of those who use mixers are familiar with. From what I've observed over the years on the BTT forum, very few members use Tor because it's too slow for them, or they simply don't know that it's a regular browser like all other browsers with the exception that it's focused on privacy.
I don't know why MixTum hasn't fixed his onion page for so long, but maybe it has something to do with the case of an alleged scam that happened to another mixer, and a malicious tor exit node is also mentioned as a potential cause. I already wrote before that I don't think the point is that they can't do it, but that they have a good reason why that version of the site doesn't work.
I myself used to Mix BTC but only used Clearnet instead of Tor. I understand that we have to trade speed for better anonymity on the Internet, but think Mixer has secured that for my BTC. Maybe Tor helps mask my IP but that's not too important for me personally, maybe it's a problem for others.
Anyway, I hope MixTum teams will solve this problem soon. Users have different needs and MixTum's mission is to maintain its services to serve the needs of users to compete with other BTC Mixers services. I think a reasonable reason from the MixTum team will help users feel secure and be more patient.
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From my personal observation, I would not agree that this is exactly the case, and somehow it seems to me that Tor is not something that most of those who use mixers are familiar with. ~~~~
Well, I do respect your personal observation and you may be right with whatever you said, but I'm very sure that those who mix huge amounts may prefer tor version because they want best privacy and they also know about the Tor.
I'm talking about the ones who might mix 10's to 100's of Bitcoin. If I'm not wrong then mixers mostly want those type of whales who may mix huge amounts at a single go, regular users or those who want privacy of their coins may mix $150 worth to $2000 worth of Bitcoin at a go and such people may not have any problem even with Clearnet site.
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From my personal observation, I would not agree that this is exactly the case, and somehow it seems to me that Tor is not something that most of those who use mixers are familiar with. ~~~~
Well, I do respect your personal observation and you may be right with whatever you said, but I'm very sure that those who mix huge amounts may prefer tor version because they want best privacy and they also know about the Tor.
I'm talking about the ones who might mix 10's to 100's of Bitcoin. If I'm not wrong then mixers mostly want those type of whales who may mix huge amounts at a single go, regular users or those who want privacy of their coins may mix $150 worth to $2000 worth of Bitcoin at a go and such people may not have any problem even with Clearnet site.
The main essential characteristic of mixers is precisely the provision of anonymity and untraceability. Of course, users will strive to ensure this anonymity in every possible way, and using an anonymous browser will be their priority, in my opinion.
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I myself used to Mix BTC but only used Clearnet instead of Tor. I understand that we have to trade speed for better anonymity on the Internet, but think Mixer has secured that for my BTC. Maybe Tor helps mask my IP but that's not too important for me personally, maybe it's a problem for others.
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I value maximum privacy, and that definitely includes using the onion version, because regardless of the trust you have in the mixer, past cases have shown that if the authorities seize them, they find a lot more than what they should find. Maybe you are not doing anything illegal and you have no problem with the mixer or someone else knowing from which IP address the Bitcoin came, but if you are already mixing BTC, why not do it completely privately?
Well, I do respect your personal observation and you may be right with whatever you said, but I'm very sure that those who mix huge amounts may prefer tor version because they want best privacy and they also know about the Tor.
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You're probably right, although sometimes we come across cases of people who had a lot of BTC and lost it in a rather bizarre way, so I wouldn't say that those who have more BTC are those who value their privacy more. I think that the feeling for privacy is not something that is closely related to BTC, but still depends on how much someone values privacy in their life.
There are people who do not allow anyone to peek into their private life, and there are those who live their private life without any problems in front of the cameras in various reality shows.
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I value maximum privacy, and that definitely includes using the onion version, because regardless of the trust you have in the mixer, past cases have shown that if the authorities seize them, they find a lot more than what they should find. Maybe you are not doing anything illegal and you have no problem with the mixer or someone else knowing from which IP address the Bitcoin came, but if you are already mixing BTC, why not do it completely privately?
I only use BTC Mixers for experimental purposes so I do not place too high demands on anonymity, I believe that many users will have a greater need for anonymity and they will take advantage of all available tools such as MixTum onion link.
MixTum has onion link, so it better work to serve users' needs ;D
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I only use BTC Mixers for experimental purposes so I do not place too high demands on anonymity, I believe that many users will have a greater need for anonymity and they will take advantage of all available tools such as MixTum onion link.
MixTum has onion link, so it better work to serve users' needs ;D
You'd be surprised how much people pay attention to every detail when it comes to privacy. I would say that mixer users are definitely very privacy-oriented.
Even a large number of forum users use the TOR browser as their primary browser, I believe that they will avoid going to the clearnet just to mix coins.
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You'd be surprised how much people pay attention to every detail when it comes to privacy. I would say that mixer users are definitely very privacy-oriented.
Even a large number of forum users use the TOR browser as their primary browser, I believe that they will avoid going to the clearnet just to mix coins.
Yeah, I agree. Professional crypto users will optimize every feature to protect their privacy, and I respect their wise decision. Tor is a good option, but it's often too slow for my comfort, so I choose to use VPN for my work.
Let's wait for the return of MixTum onion link or an official announcement from MixTum team about this problem.
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Even a large number of forum users use the TOR browser as their primary browser, I believe that they will avoid going to the clearnet just to mix coins.
I may be wrong, but I will repeat that according to the experiences from the BTT forum, not very many members use Tor - and on this forum I did not find that Tor was mentioned in any context, except for some problems with signatures that did not/still do not show up correctly. What is the "problem" with Tor is the speed of page loading, given that the traffic is redirected through several servers. Many people don't like that, so if they are already looking for privacy, they prefer to use a VPN.
The level of protection on Tor and VPN is of course far in favor of the former, but one should be honest and say that neither of them ensures absolute anonymity and that it is possible to reveal the real IP address if someone really wants to, regardless of what someone uses.
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I may be wrong, but I will repeat that according to the experiences from the BTT forum, not very many members use Tor - and on this forum I did not find that Tor was mentioned in any context, except for some problems with signatures that did not/still do not show up correctly. What is the "problem" with Tor is the speed of page loading, given that the traffic is redirected through several servers. Many people don't like that, so if they are already looking for privacy, they prefer to use a VPN.
The level of protection on Tor and VPN is of course far in favor of the former, but one should be honest and say that neither of them ensures absolute anonymity and that it is possible to reveal the real IP address if someone really wants to, regardless of what someone uses.
This is what happened to me, I don't think I have the patience to wait for websites to download when using Tor, Tor may be very good at anonymity but it cannot serve me completely work effectively.
My job normally doesn't require an extremely high level of anonymity, I have no problem with my identity when searching on Google or reading the news and sending emails, the VPN features are enough for me.
Of course, for users who want maximum anonymity when Mixing BTC, they can choose Tor, and they also don't Mix BTC every 10 minutes ^^
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Of course, for users who want maximum anonymity when Mixing BTC, they can choose Tor, and they also don't Mix BTC every 10 minutes ^^
I may be wrong, but it seems like the mixer itself provides a fairly high degree of anonymity. If we are talking about coins being mixed. The usage of anonymous browsers aims to hide the very fact that the user had the intention to use the mixer. But it doesn’t add anonymity to the mixing process itself, I think.
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I may be wrong, but it seems like the mixer itself provides a fairly high degree of anonymity. If we are talking about coins being mixed. The usage of anonymous browsers aims to hide the very fact that the user had the intention to use the mixer. But it doesn’t add anonymity to the mixing process itself, I think.
The browser can know your IP, someone who knows your IP can almost locate you very precisely. So, IP + location + Bitcoin address, where do you see privacy here?
If the process is repeated two or more times, the precision is better and the possibility of accidentally is very small.
I do not claim that this necessarily always happens, but some people want guaranteed privacy and trying to avoid this part of the risk.
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The browser can know your IP, someone who knows your IP can almost locate you very precisely. So, IP + location + Bitcoin address, where do you see privacy here?
If the process is repeated two or more times, the precision is better and the possibility of accidentally is very small.
I do not claim that this necessarily always happens, but some people want guaranteed privacy and trying to avoid this part of the risk.
Everyone has different risk appetites for profit and anonymity. Blockchain - Mixer - VPN - Tor are all individual choices, and I don't think any one option is perfect or suitable for all users.
As a casual user with the purpose of experiencing, I am satisfied with MixTum Clearnet and VPN. Users with higher anonymity demand can wait for the return of MixTum onion link :)
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Users with higher anonymity demand can wait for the return of MixTum onion link :)
The question is whether the onion version will return at all, and if it is not already available, it would be good if MixTum somehow informs its clients what it is actually about. What should also be emphasized is that it is almost impossible to access their clearnet page with Tor, given that they use Cloudflare, whose captcha only repeats itself in a loop.
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The question is whether the onion version will return at all, and if it is not already available, it would be good if MixTum somehow informs its clients what it is actually about. What should also be emphasized is that it is almost impossible to access their clearnet page with Tor, given that they use Cloudflare, whose captcha only repeats itself in a loop.
As far as I remember, when accessing the clearnet site via TOR, there was an automatic redirection to the onion site. The problem may be caused by the unavailability of the TOR site.
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As far as I remember, when accessing the clearnet site via TOR, there was an automatic redirection to the onion site. The problem may be caused by the unavailability of the TOR site.
It depends, you can set Tor to redirect you to a site's .onion when it's available, but you have to choose this setting, because to my knowledge it's not active as standard.
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It depends, you can set Tor to redirect you to a site's .onion when it's available, but you have to choose this setting, because to my knowledge it's not active as standard.
It is not about what is possible, but what are the facts.
Lucius reported problems accessing the Mixtum clearnet using TOR, I think there was a redirect if you visit clearnet mixtum.io from the TOR browser, which takes you to the onion mixtum site. It has nothing to do with active standards.
You can see how it works on the Yomix mixer.
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The question is whether the onion version will return at all, and if it is not already available, it would be good if MixTum somehow informs its clients what it is actually about. What should also be emphasized is that it is almost impossible to access their clearnet page with Tor, given that they use Cloudflare, whose captcha only repeats itself in a loop.
Why is nobody addressing this issue of tor link missing?
Where is someone from Mixtum team, and where is campaign manager to finally explain this?
This is serious thing for everyone who wants to use any bitcoin mixer, not counting people who only comment because they are part of signature campaign.
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The question is whether the onion version will return at all, and if it is not already available, it would be good if MixTum somehow informs its clients what it is actually about. What should also be emphasized is that it is almost impossible to access their clearnet page with Tor, given that they use Cloudflare, whose captcha only repeats itself in a loop.
Well, we have quite a few questions here, and they won't stop until MixTum can provide more information to users and the community about the status of the Mixtum onion link. Although I'm not a fan of Tor's onion link, I'm also interested and want to see MixTum still being developed well by a full-time team to provide the best services for the needs of users ::)
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It depends, you can set Tor to redirect you to a site's .onion when it's available, but you have to choose this setting, because to my knowledge it's not active as standard.
It is not about what is possible, but what are the facts.
Lucius reported problems accessing the Mixtum clearnet using TOR, I think there was a redirect if you visit clearnet mixtum.io from the TOR browser, which takes you to the onion mixtum site. It has nothing to do with active standards.
You can see how it works on the Yomix mixer.
The thing is that the redirect doesn't actually happen, the clearnet address is shown in the address bar all the time, and as far as I remember from the past, visiting the clearnet version with Tor did not automatically redirect to the onion version.
As I wrote before, it seems that MixTum for some reason does not want mixing to take place via Tor - and it is no secret that using that browser has its own risks, considering that even bad people can participate in "providing anonymity" with bad intentions.
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As I wrote before, it seems that MixTum for some reason does not want mixing to take place via Tor - and it is no secret that using that browser has its own risks, considering that even bad people can participate in "providing anonymity" with bad intentions.
I don't think this is part of MixTum's development plan. MixTum has supported onion links for users who have high anonymity requirements, meaning that this feature is useful and valuable in MixTum's strategy. We also haven't had any announcements/updates from the MixTum team about the termination of the onion link service. I think speculation is pointless, we should wait for the announcement from MixTum team.
In the meantime, MixTum users are forced to be satisfied with Clearnet site ::)
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Is MixTum currently under DDoS attack?
From my side it is offline :(
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/27/Vw9Fz.png)
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Is MixTum currently under DDoS attack?
From my side it is offline :(
It's not just you, it seems to be offline for everyone. >:(
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mixtum.io
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/27/Vwxxw.png)
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(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/28/VAgwl.jpeg)
The site is still down, I hope it's nothing too serious.
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Is MixTum currently under DDoS attack?
From my side it is offline :(
I don't think it's ddos since mixtum uses cloudflare where the attack can be reduced and corrected for a short of time. I think this is more like technicalities on its host's side just like the other day where lasts several days. Of course, this is just assumptions, i hope I'm not wrong, else it's really a ddos.
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I don't think it's ddos since mixtum uses cloudflare where the attack can be reduced and corrected for a short of time. I think this is more like technicalities on its host's side just like the other day where lasts several days. Of course, this is just assumptions, i hope I'm not wrong, else it's really a ddos.
Cloudflare is not a guarantee that the site will not be exposed to a DDoS attack and that it will be completely immune to it. Not to start a conspiracy theory from whom the attack can come (even from Cloudflare), but hackers or whoever deals with it will always look for a new loophole in the system.
hint: Ask bitmover whether CF is sufficient protection against DDoS attacks.
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Mixtum website is down for me also, and their onion link was not working for a while already :P
Something strange is happening with DDOS attacks today, bitcointalk forum is working really slow and I can't even use it to post anything now.
It would be nice to hear from official team what the heck is going on.
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Cloudflare is not a guarantee that the site will not be exposed to a DDoS attack and that it will be completely immune to it. Not to start a conspiracy theory from whom the attack can come (even from Cloudflare), but hackers or whoever deals with it will always look for a new loophole in the system.
hint: Ask bitmover whether CF is sufficient protection against DDoS attacks.
Yes, of course, no website is immune to ddos. Ddos protection does not mean the site cannot be attacked too. That's why CF run its service for that purpose, depends on the plan though. It only helps to reduced the attack just like i said and do what else you need to do while and after the attack.
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Cloudflare is not a guarantee that the site will not be exposed to a DDoS attack and that it will be completely immune to it. Not to start a conspiracy theory from whom the attack can come (even from Cloudflare), but hackers or whoever deals with it will always look for a new loophole in the system.
hint: Ask bitmover whether CF is sufficient protection against DDoS attacks.
Yes, of course, no website is immune to ddos. Ddos protection does not mean the site cannot be attacked too. That's why CF run its service for that purpose, depends on the plan though. It only helps to reduced the attack just like i said and do what else you need to do while and after the attack.
My cloudflare was set with the lower security possible.
I was attacked and the website was down for some hours. I switched to the more aggressive configuration while under attack, and then everything was OK...
But I reduced security now, as it broke some bots and other configs
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Is MixTum currently under DDoS attack?
From my side it is offline :(
It's not just you, it seems to be offline for everyone. >:(
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mixtum.io
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/27/Vwxxw.png)
I think it would be helpful if there was a single site that showed the statuses of all mixers at the same time, don't you think?
And what about the Tor mirror? Is that working or is it down as well? (currently I can't open Tor Browser to check, which is why I asked.)
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I think it would be helpful if there was a single site that showed the statuses of all mixers at the same time, don't you think?
I recently tried to do something like that, but almost all mixers have strong bot protection, so my check did not always give the correct result. Most of the mixers were offline after such a check. And it's too much work for manual checking.
It is even more difficult with onion pages.
And what about the Tor mirror? Is that working or is it down as well? (currently I can't open Tor Browser to check, which is why I asked.)
The Mixtum Tor site has been offline for a long time. I don't think it has anything to do with the current problem
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The Mixtum Tor site has been offline for a long time. I don't think it has anything to do with the current problem
I hope so, so even though we are completely in the dark regarding official information, I hope that nothing serious is happening and that it is only about technical problems that will be solved quickly.
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I think it would be helpful if there was a single site that showed the statuses of all mixers at the same time, don't you think?
This is a good idea.
Maybe someone can fetch data for all mixers from downforeveryoneorjustme or other similar websites, and put them all in one place.
I am ready to listen if there are some better ways of doing this directly without use of other websites.
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Right now, I am still temporarily unable to access MixTum Clearnet site.
I really hope that everything is fine and there is no serious problem with MixTum. MixTum team should focus on solving this problem and will soon have an update for the community and users to let us know what is happening.
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https://mixtum.io/ still does not work (online and Tor), https://jambler.io/ works slowly and some features do not work, but some jambler.io partners work well, so I think the problem is related to mixtum only.
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I think it would be helpful if there was a single site that showed the statuses of all mixers at the same time, don't you think?
I recently tried to do something like that, but almost all mixers have strong bot protection, so my check did not always give the correct result. Most of the mixers were offline after such a check. And it's too much work for manual checking.
It is even more difficult with onion pages.
I created an API with site status checker to image, and unfortunately, yes, there are sites that has strong bot protection, those who uses cloudflare with strong protection configuration, like webmixer and unijoin (i guess). About the TOR mirrors, unfortunately, it will be hard to have them, unless there onion sites tracker with api which i never check yet.
(https://pxzone.online/tool/website-status?site=https://tumbler.io&type=img)
https://pxzone.online/tool/website-status?site=https://tumbler.io&type=img
(https://pxzone.online/tool/website-status?site=https://mixtum.io&type=img)
https://pxzone.online/tool/website-status?site=https://mixtum.io&type=img
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I created an API with site status checker to image, and unfortunately, yes, there are sites that has strong bot protection, those who uses cloudflare with strong protection configuration, like webmixer and unijoin (i guess). About the TOR mirrors, unfortunately, it will be hard to have them, unless there onion sites tracker with api which i never check yet.
There must be some other way to track if those websites are online or not.
I am getting error PHP Error was encountered when I click on Tools tab on pxzone.online website.
It's probably work in progress but I am reporting it here just in case you didn't notice it.
(https://i.ibb.co/qyzJqSY/imgf165a6d5baf84ad98859b1f08ce55442.jpg)
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I am getting error PHP Error was encountered when I click on Tools tab on pxzone.online website.
It's probably work in progress but I am reporting it here just in case you didn't notice it.
Ah yeah, it's just temporary and I can't do anything to that as my resources is limited. It will be fixed some time later by it's own, this happen when there is a huge traffic on the site and it breaks lmao. Thanks for the heads up.
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mixtum is working, I can access https://mixtum.io/ (https://mixtum.io/) and the Tor version is working.[/size]
https://pxzone.online/tool/website-status?site=https://mixtum.io&type=img
There is an error here
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mixtum is working, I can access https://mixtum.io/ (https://mixtum.io/) and the Tor version is working.[/size]
https://pxzone.online/tool/website-status?site=https://mixtum.io&type=img
There is an error here
You are right, looks like Mixtum uses strong configuration now that's why it shows the site is still down. I hope the downtime will be minimal or will be prevented now. And tor site is now working too, i just checked it now, which is a great news.
(https://i.ibb.co/0jVFJtX/753185.png) (https://ibb.co/qMFW15n)
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Mixtum website is back online for me.
I didn't try mixing so I can't confirm if everything is operational, but it opens all the pages just fine.
Ah yeah, it's just temporary and I can't do anything to that as my resources is limited. It will be fixed some time later by it's own, this happen when there is a huge traffic on the site and it breaks lmao. Thanks for the heads up.
Try reducing time how often you check on website, 30 minutes or 1 hour is enough I think.
Maybe you can make dedicated page for all mixers that can be monitored if website is available or not.
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You are right, looks like Mixtum uses strong configuration now that's why it shows the site is still down. I hope the downtime will be minimal or will be prevented now. And tor site is now working too, i just checked it now, which is a great news.
(https://i.ibb.co/0jVFJtX/753185.png) (https://ibb.co/qMFW15n)
It is great that the MixTum website is back up and running. I can check Clearnet, it is accessed quickly and works as well as before. Thank MixTum team for taking action and solving this problem.
I do not use Tor onion link, honestly I can't wait for onion link loading ::) This is not really important to me because VPN + Clearnet is enough for all my needs ^^
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I do not use Tor onion link, honestly I can't wait for onion link loading ::) This is not really important to me because VPN + Clearnet is enough for all my needs ^^
The onion version of the page loads quite quickly if we take into account how "complicated" Tor is compared to VPN, so although this speed also depends on the nodes through which the traffic is redirected, in my case it is about 15 seconds on average. However, in the era of super fast internet where everyone expects the page to load in 1-2 seconds, those 15 seconds (or more) can really seem like an eternity :)
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What was the problem with the website in the first place?
I know that speculation is not helpful at this point but it could've been a backend error or something else that was caused by a bug.
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What was the problem with the website in the first place?
I know that speculation is not helpful at this point but it could've been a backend error or something else that was caused by a bug.
About a month ago, Jambler did a slightly bigger upgrade (Mixtum is a Jambler partner). Somehow, during that period, certain problems appeared, that is, the occasional unavailability of the Mixtum site.
Each upgrade often brings some new bugs, I think that was the cause of the problem. But that can also be considered as my speculation.
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I just mixed coins, and I want to show you guys what a premium mixer means. :)
(https://i.ibb.co/nmLpXpc/image.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/XbXt4Kw/image.png)
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I just mixed coins, and I want to show you guys what a premium mixer means. :)
Super clean ;D
Is this after using Mixtum mixer, and what service you used to receive this risk report?
That does not mean that all coins will have the same score, but I never had big trust in services offering this risk scores.
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I just mixed coins, and I want to show you guys what a premium mixer means. :)
Super clean ;D
Is this after using Mixtum mixer, and what service you used to receive this risk report?
That does not mean that all coins will have the same score, but I never had big trust in services offering this risk scores.
I think the tool is from amlbot.com as per the screenshot?
I put the address showed on icopress's screenshot and checked the score with Crystal. It gives a perfect score too (which is not common as even casino are considered as not green for example).
It seems that coins were supplied by a regulated CEX. Jambler worked as promised on this one.
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/04/VLDGd.png)
Indeed, it is very good. I will check with UniJoin and some other next time I will mix coins, curious to do the comparison.
(but you're right, as far as I know most of risk scores tools are not 100% efficient and even Chainalysis are saying it on their blog lol)
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(but you're right, as far as I know most of risk scores tools are not 100% efficient and even Chainalysis are saying it on their blog lol)
If the service you are sending coins to has a sufficient score from Chainanalysis or Amlbot, then you have nothing to worry about. Most services that insist on clean Bitcoins use the same or similar method.
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I put the address showed on icopress's screenshot and checked the score with Crystal. It gives a perfect score too (which is not common as even casino are considered as not green for example).
It seems that coins were supplied by a regulated CEX. Jambler worked as promised on this one.
The results are really good, MixTum users know that their BTC received from MixTum's service is completely clean and will not face any legal risks in the future. Normally, I only mix BTC when I need anonymity, not necessarily legal security, but for users who are concerned about the cleanliness of BTC after mixing, MixTum can guarantee this.
In the past, a few CEXs have frozen users' BTC when they found it was linked to a BTC mixing service, but with this result, MixTum users can rest assured!
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The results are really good, MixTum users know that their BTC received from MixTum's service is completely clean and will not face any legal risks in the future. Normally, I only mix BTC when I need anonymity, not necessarily legal security, but for users who are concerned about the cleanliness of BTC after mixing, MixTum can guarantee this.
In the past, a few CEXs have frozen users' BTC when they found it was linked to a BTC mixing service, but with this result, MixTum users can rest assured!
It is highly not recommended to use Bitcoin addresses of custodial services (campaign). Mixtum clients are really safe, but I wouldn’t say the same about the participants campaign.
I am a manager and process weekly payments for casino campaigns, mixers, exchange and all these funds are mixed and stored in a cold wallet.
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In the past, a few CEXs have frozen users' BTC when they found it was linked to a BTC mixing service, but with this result, MixTum users can rest assured!
I personally have never had any problems with BTC that came from mixers when it comes to signature campaigns, nor with BTC that I mix on mixers. I must mention that these were transactions that went to CEXs (some people still use custodial services as wallets), and this means that all these centralized services may pay much more attention to large amounts, while a few tens or hundreds of $ generally pass under their radar.
Still, it's good to see that MixTum has such high standards when it comes to coins that are obtained during mixing, which means that the fee for their service is well worth it.
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I personally have never had any problems with BTC that came from mixers when it comes to signature campaigns, nor with BTC that I mix on mixers. I must mention that these were transactions that went to CEXs (some people still use custodial services as wallets), and this means that all these centralized services may pay much more attention to large amounts, while a few tens or hundreds of $ generally pass under their radar.
Still, it's good to see that MixTum has such high standards when it comes to coins that are obtained during mixing, which means that the fee for their service is well worth it.
We should be careful. Operating like this is still relatively risky, because you could very well go under the radar for a while, and at the first AML/CTF flag a new deposit raises, you could find yourself having to justify everything, even past transactions that hadn't been blocked.
Some people have had this problem on the other forum with campaign signature funds ; all goes well until the day when the person sourcing the funds ends up on a list from a three-letter agency.. :D
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Maybe you misunderstood me, I personally don't use CEXs, but some people whose services I used used them as their wallets, and for years I sent coins to their CEXs addresses and they never had a problem because of it. I hope I won't sound like a promoter of conspiracy theories, but the three-letter agencies are interested in all those who deal with cryptocurrencies, and judging by the documents that were published thanks to the most famous American whistleblower, they have been doing it for more than 10 years.
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Maybe you misunderstood me, I personally don't use CEXs, but some people whose services I used used them as their wallets, and for years I sent coins to their CEXs addresses and they never had a problem because of it. I hope I won't sound like a promoter of conspiracy theories, but the three-letter agencies are interested in all those who deal with cryptocurrencies, and judging by the documents that were published thanks to the most famous American whistleblower, they have been doing it for more than 10 years.
I use CEXs and have transferred BTC that has been through mixers to accounts on CEXs, because after all, we need to sell BTC for fiat to pay for real-world bills. Selling BTC through P2P is not a solution that I use regularly. For now, everything is fine, and I am not in the US so I am not too worried about problems with US law enforcement agencies.
The quality of Mixtum is quite good and I have not had any problems with the cleanliness of BTC from Mixtum. This can be seen as a confirmation even though I do not use any evaluation tools ^^
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helloooo there
just a info about your amazing service
telegram bot seems broken - is only a information because probably you not noticed about it but because i love telegram bot i try to test and not work
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/04/08/VOolf.png)
just check it and fix if you can :) see you have a nice day
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telegram bot seems broken - is only a information because probably you not noticed about it but because i love telegram bot i try to test and not work
The Mixtum telegram bot has been down for some time. The last time I used it was mid-March. In the meantime, there was a maintenance period, so I think that this thing with the TG bot is also part of the upgrade process.
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telegram bot seems broken - is only a information because probably you not noticed about it but because i love telegram bot i try to test and not work
so I think that this thing with the TG bot is also part of the upgrade process.
Probably it's because of the strong bot protection of mixtum on its cloudflare configuration that it cannot receive any response from its telegram webhook.
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ah I understand, since I was watching the service so I went and did some tests and clicked around
since I like telegram bots I went there to try it to say let's see how it goes (for example thormixer has a wonderful bot from this point of view) and since it didn't work I decided to report it
ty all
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Now everything works.
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Now everything works.
It is good to know that the suggestions in this thread are being actively followed. :)
Speaking of which, here is another suggestion for correction on the mixtum site. On page https://mixtum.io/?reviews several links are more harmful than useful for mixtum.
For example
1. Cryptalker.com - 10 Most Popular Bitcoin Tumbler (Mixer) Services (Article) quite out of date and incomplete review
2. DeepWebSitesLinks.com - Top 10 Bitcoin Tumbler Services 2019 (Article) This page and website are offline, dead link
6. CryptoNinjas.net - Best Bitcoin Tumblers in 2020 (Article) out of date, still listed some of the mixers that have been closed
7. Scramblerz.com - 11 Best Bitcoin Mixer (Tumbler) Services 2020 (Article) out of date, still listed some of the mixers that have been closed
8. Bitcoin2Litecoin.com - 11 Best Bitcoin Mixing Services (Article) browser report phishing link
Those who offer outdated information may not be so problematic, but I think it is not in the interest of mixtum to be linked to phishing sites.
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Speaking of which, here is another suggestion for correction on the mixtum site. [...]
This has also been updated. ;)
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This has also been updated. ;)
Fast reaction. :)
Hmm, this just adds salt to what I suspected (from our conversation) ;)
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Fast reaction. :)
Hmm, this just adds salt to what I suspected (from our conversation) ;)
Unfortunately not (although I would like to be part of such a big project).
It’s just that the main developer was online, that’s all.
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It’s just that the main developer was online, that’s all.
It is great that the MixTum team is following the feedback of the community on AltcoinsTalks and taking action right away to improve things on the website! I hope MixTum will not have any more problems with the website or Telegram bot in the future.
Speaking of which, here is another suggestion for correction on the mixtum site. On page https://mixtum.io/?reviews several links are more harmful than useful for mixtum.
For example
1. Cryptalker.com - 10 Most Popular Bitcoin Tumbler (Mixer) Services (Article) quite out of date and incomplete review
2. DeepWebSitesLinks.com - Top 10 Bitcoin Tumbler Services 2019 (Article) This page and website are offline, dead link
6. CryptoNinjas.net - Best Bitcoin Tumblers in 2020 (Article) out of date, still listed some of the mixers that have been closed
7. Scramblerz.com - 11 Best Bitcoin Mixer (Tumbler) Services 2020 (Article) out of date, still listed some of the mixers that have been closed
8. Bitcoin2Litecoin.com - 11 Best Bitcoin Mixing Services (Article) browser report phishing link
Those who offer outdated information may not be so problematic, but I think it is not in the interest of mixtum to be linked to phishing sites.
You always find interesting things on the Mixers website, it seems that you are a regular user of these services and always ask for the best for Mixers and users.
To be honest, I have used MixTum without ever reading these Reviews ^^
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Now everything works.
I confirm, it works again
excellent work and above all very quick to fix! congratulations to everyone
I really like Telegram bots, let's say it's the only place where you have the freedom to build bots and make them do what you want
on WA for example it's not possible if you're not a business... never mind
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Can anyone tell me how is Mixtum mixer doing when compared with Unijoin mixer, and are there any important advantages?
I think that Unijoin has lower mixing fees and minimum withdrawable bitcoin is 0.003 BTC, that is less than Mixtum.
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Can anyone tell me how is Mixtum mixer doing when compared with Unijoin mixer, and are there any important advantages?
I think that Unijoin has lower mixing fees and minimum withdrawable bitcoin is 0.003 BTC, that is less than Mixtum.
The difference is in the way of mixing the coins. In short:
Mixtum sends coins that come from exchanges through the Jambler network of investors. This method offers a fairly high degree of privacy and "clean" coins.
Unijoin uses the coinjoin method, which is good, especially for anonymity, but cannot guarantee a high level of "clean" coins.
About fees, there are no minimum withdrawable amounts, but a minimum deposit that will be recognized by the service. So, for example, the minimum deposit on Mixtum is 0.003 BTC, while the minimum deposit on Unijoin is 0.001 BTC
I have put all the most important information about each mixer in this thread, it is much easier to review and compare.
LIST - Bitcoin mixers & Tumbler services! ✅✅ (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0)
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Can anyone tell me how is Mixtum mixer doing when compared with Unijoin mixer, and are there any important advantages?
I think that Unijoin has lower mixing fees and minimum withdrawable bitcoin is 0.003 BTC, that is less than Mixtum.
The difference is in the way of mixing the coins. In short:
Mixtum sends coins that come from exchanges through the Jambler network of investors. This method offers a fairly high degree of privacy and "clean" coins.
Unijoin uses the coinjoin method, which is good, especially for anonymity, but cannot guarantee a high level of "clean" coins.
About fees, there are no minimum withdrawable amounts, but a minimum deposit that will be recognized by the service. So, for example, the minimum deposit on Mixtum is 0.003 BTC, while the minimum deposit on Unijoin is 0.001 BTC
I have put all the most important information about each mixer in this thread, it is much easier to review and compare.
LIST - Bitcoin mixers & Tumbler services! ✅✅ (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0)
coinjoin is a bit random from this point of view
you could get a bad tx with suspicious or stolen funds and in that case what do you say?
I used coinjoin, why did you use coinjoin?
I think it has its constant danger
It's true that it can also happen with Jambler but in my opinion the % of it happening is lower
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coinjoin is a bit random from this point of view
you could get a bad tx with suspicious or stolen funds and in that case what do you say?
I used coinjoin, why did you use coinjoin?
I think it has its constant danger
It's true that it can also happen with Jambler but in my opinion the % of it happening is lower
I prefer to use MixTum because I don't want to have any problems with any "dirty" BTC. Jambler can guarantee this and give me peace of mind when moving my BTC to CEX for future trading. Jambler sets itself apart by ensuring users receive "clean" coins: Upon entering the platform, all BTC goes through a rigorous blockchain check. This verification process guarantees the legitimacy of BTC. Additionally, Jambler sources BTC directly from miners and CEX traders. We can can be confident in using MixTum's services ;D
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I prefer to use MixTum because I don't want to have any problems with any "dirty" BTC.
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Dirty or tainted BTC is something invented by those who have a big problem with the fact that they have no control over it. For me, this is not only stupid, but also potentially dangerous in the long term, considering that each of us has at least part of the coins that were once used in some transaction that had elements of criminal activity.
When we think about it, does anyone know where all the bills or coins we have in our wallets were? Some may have been used to sell drugs, some to smuggle people or weapons, and yet no one will come and say that these bills are dirty and should be confiscated.
Mixers should therefore primarily serve the purpose of privacy protection, and not some kind of mixing between dirty and clean coins.
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Dirty or tainted BTC is something invented by those who have a big problem with the fact that they have no control over it. For me, this is not only stupid, but also potentially dangerous in the long term, considering that each of us has at least part of the coins that were once used in some transaction that had elements of criminal activity.
When we think about it, does anyone know where all the bills or coins we have in our wallets were? Some may have been used to sell drugs, some to smuggle people or weapons, and yet no one will come and say that these bills are dirty and should be confiscated.
Mixers should therefore primarily serve the purpose of privacy protection, and not some kind of mixing between dirty and clean coins.
While we may not care about the cleanliness of BTC, governments and many exchanges may be concerned and evaluate each satoshi deposited on CEXs. To ensure that BTC and crypto are not abused by criminals, CEXs are also cooperating with governments to detect behavior, freeze and provide information related to criminals.
I have no problem with identity, but I store my crypto assets on CEXs and I'm afraid that my account will be frozen if some of my satoshi come from a "dirty" source. I use MixTum to ensure that the BTC I send to CEXs is always rated as clean as possible ;D
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I have no problem with identity, but I store my crypto assets on CEXs and I'm afraid that my account will be frozen if some of my satoshi come from a "dirty" source. I use MixTum to ensure that the BTC I send to CEXs is always rated as clean as possible ;D
I can only assume that you have your own reasons for such a storage method, because CEXs should not be wallets, and the old saying goes "not your keys, not your coins". I only believe in airgapped wallets and safely saved backups, everything else is a risk I don't want to accept.
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I can only assume that you have your own reasons for such a storage method, because CEXs should not be wallets, and the old saying goes "not your keys, not your coins". I only believe in airgapped wallets and safely saved backups, everything else is a risk I don't want to accept.
Yeah, I understand it. But I store a portion of my crypto assets on CEXs, and I need to use CEXs to sell USDT for fiat currency and pay for real-life bills. OTC is also an option, but they usually don't trade assets under $100, which is not suitable for me and has higher risks than P2P on CEXs. This makes me more concerned about the cleanliness of the crypto I send to my CEX accounts. For now, with BTC, I have found a solution to my needs at MixTum ^^
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Mixtum sends coins that come from exchanges through the Jambler network of investors. This method offers a fairly high degree of privacy and "clean" coins.
Unijoin uses the coinjoin method, which is good, especially for anonymity, but cannot guarantee a high level of "clean" coins.
Are you claiming there is actual guarantee for this when using Mixtum, and there is no such thing for Unijon?
I never had problems with any coins that came from Unijon service and I use it for privacy, not to make my coins any cleaner.
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Are you claiming there is actual guarantee for this when using Mixtum, and there is no such thing for Unijon?
I never had problems with any coins that came from Unijon service and I use it for privacy, not to make my coins any cleaner.
I will repeat with a bit more details.
Mixtum as a partner receives coins from Jambler. Jambler has strict control of Bitcoins that are mixed and come from investors, if they do not meet the expected "cleanliness" level, they are returned to the investor. So there is a serious analysis before the coins are sent to their mixing system.
Unijoin (like most other non-Jambler mixers) does not have this kind of control over every coin that comes into the network.
That's the difference in theory. To prove this theory, at least 30 transactions should be done on each mixer and then compare the analyses.
As with other things, no one can guarantee anything, but a better understanding of the process will definitely help.
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Mixtum is doing a fine mixing job, but I don't like people using this term ''dirty'' and ''clean'' coins, because it's all based on some centralized closed source list that is storing random addresses and making wild assumptions.
It is really interesting that only with government magic powers coins can become ''clean'' and sold after getting confiscated.
Regular people doing less than this are marked as criminals by the same government ::)
This makes you think who the real criminals are.
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Mixtum is doing a fine mixing job, but I don't like people using this term ''dirty'' and ''clean'' coins, because it's all based on some centralized closed source list that is storing random addresses and making wild assumptions.
It is really interesting that only with government magic powers coins can become ''clean'' and sold after getting confiscated.
Regular people doing less than this are marked as criminals by the same government ::)
This makes you think who the real criminals are.
governments are the criminals, so obvious, they are the best armed criminals and accepted by everyone as protectors, basically
those who sell their freedom for a modicum of security deserve neither freedom nor security, because this is what we do today
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Mixtum is doing a fine mixing job, but I don't like people using this term ''dirty'' and ''clean'' coins, because it's all based on some centralized closed source list that is storing random addresses and making wild assumptions.
I don't like these terms either.
Sometimes I just want to break the link between the coins I have and my online identity.
For example, I want to send a coin to a cex or to someone who I don't want them to know I am bitmover and I got those coins in this forum.
There is no "dirty" to clean up. I just want other coins.
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Mixtum is doing a fine mixing job, but I don't like people using this term ''dirty'' and ''clean'' coins, because it's all based on some centralized closed source list that is storing random addresses and making wild assumptions.
It is really interesting that only with government magic powers coins can become ''clean'' and sold after getting confiscated.
Regular people doing less than this are marked as criminals by the same government ::)
This makes you think who the real criminals are.
"Dirty" coins are defined as coins that are associated with illegal activities according to the law. When they are confiscated by the government, they are stored by the government, are the property of the state, and they will naturally become legal. Therefore, they can be considered clean when sold on the OTC without any charges, the proceeds will be used for good purposes such as paying salaries for the administrative apparatus or building the country, or at least they want us to believe that.
In any case, MixTum does not serve governments because the maximum amount per Mix is only 50 BTC 8)
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Guys, let's not get hung up on the terms, in the end they are a way to understand what we're talking about
I understand very well that from a philosophical and theoretical point of view you don't like them but they are useful for us to understand more simply
one of the bullshit things we've seen is raging against the terms "master" and "slave" in IT, I don't want it to be repeated here too
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Guys, let's not get hung up on the terms, in the end they are a way to understand what we're talking about
I understand very well that from a philosophical and theoretical point of view you don't like them but they are useful for us to understand more simply
one of the bullshit things we've seen is raging against the terms "master" and "slave" in IT, I don't want it to be repeated here too
Yeah, I agree. Ultimately, each user has their own purpose for using MixTum: security and anonymity.
From my experience so far, I know that MixTum ensures security because it provides BTC without any legal hassles. As I've shared before, I don't really have a big need for anonymity. I only use MixTum Clearnet and have never touched Tor onion link.
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As I've shared before, I don't really have a big need for anonymity.
This need may arise completely suddenly, so it makes sense to be familiar with the tools in advance that allow you to gain this anonymity. Or rather, return it. After all, anonymity in Bitcoin was initially something taken for granted. This was the norm, not a privilege. Nowadays it is almost becoming a luxury, and only tools like MixTum or UniJoin allow you to have it.
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As I've shared before, I don't really have a big need for anonymity. I only use MixTum Clearnet and have never touched Tor onion link.
There are many reasons for anonymity, even if it is to hide the information from the first neighbour that you have xx Bitcoin stored only behind one private key.
After all, anonymity in Bitcoin was initially something taken for granted. This was the norm, not a privilege. Nowadays it is almost becoming a luxury, and only tools like MixTum or UniJoin allow you to have it.
This sounds like a shilling and there is no need for it. There are many other tools and ways to increase the level of anonymity, it is a bit pretentious to say that it is only possible with these two services.
Mixtum or other similar active services are certainly one of the options, I would say one of the simpler options because they do not require too much technical knowledge from their users.
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This need may arise completely suddenly, so it makes sense to be familiar with the tools in advance that allow you to gain this anonymity. Or rather, return it. After all, anonymity in Bitcoin was initially something taken for granted. This was the norm, not a privilege. Nowadays it is almost becoming a luxury, and only tools like MixTum or UniJoin allow you to have it.
In fact, I have been using CEX with full KYC without any problems. I think this will become more common in the future as the crypto market develops, similar to investing on stock exchanges.
My data is stored by CEX and I believe that someone other than CEX members or the police may be able to access it. At the same time, I am not afraid that someone will know how many tokens I have, even if they are only worth a few hundred or a few thousand $. My only concern is that I could be involved in "dirty" money: BTC from hacks or data breaches and terrorist financing. I use MixTum and a few other Mixers only to ensure the security of my CEX account against this risk.
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This need may arise completely suddenly, so it makes sense to be familiar with the tools in advance that allow you to gain this anonymity. Or rather, return it. After all, anonymity in Bitcoin was initially something taken for granted. This was the norm, not a privilege. Nowadays it is almost becoming a luxury, and only tools like MixTum or UniJoin allow you to have it.
In fact, I have been using CEX with full KYC without any problems. I think this will become more common in the future as the crypto market develops, similar to investing on stock exchanges.
My data is stored by CEX and I believe that someone other than CEX members or the police may be able to access it. At the same time, I am not afraid that someone will know how many tokens I have, even if they are only worth a few hundred or a few thousand $. My only concern is that I could be involved in "dirty" money: BTC from hacks or data breaches and terrorist financing. I use MixTum and a few other Mixers only to ensure the security of my CEX account against this risk.
It really depends on where you live and the level of government interference in the personal lives of the population. In some countries, CEX is not a problem, although even there many people prefer to disclose as little information about themselves to government agencies as possible. But in those countries where the state apparatus interferes in absolutely all private spheres of life, anonymity becomes a necessary measure.
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This need may arise completely suddenly, so it makes sense to be familiar with the tools in advance that allow you to gain this anonymity. Or rather, return it. After all, anonymity in Bitcoin was initially something taken for granted. This was the norm, not a privilege. Nowadays it is almost becoming a luxury, and only tools like MixTum or UniJoin allow you to have it.
In fact, I have been using CEX with full KYC without any problems. I think this will become more common in the future as the crypto market develops, similar to investing on stock exchanges.
My data is stored by CEX and I believe that someone other than CEX members or the police may be able to access it. At the same time, I am not afraid that someone will know how many tokens I have, even if they are only worth a few hundred or a few thousand $. My only concern is that I could be involved in "dirty" money: BTC from hacks or data breaches and terrorist financing. I use MixTum and a few other Mixers only to ensure the security of my CEX account against this risk.
Actually I don't see anything wrong using CEX if one has a few hundreds but not thousands of dollars. There is no guarantee that a particular cex is not going to end up the same way with others that are not in existence again. If we take a look at the history of early exchanges that have existed since 2010 to 2020, we could conclude that majority are not in existence due to one problem that had led to their closure.
We need to be careful about our funds being left on exchanges especially huge funds because no one knows what the next CEX would after FTX. Holding funds in individual wallet is the best with owner of seed phrase.
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From my experience so far, I know that MixTum ensures security because it provides BTC without any legal hassles. As I've shared before, I don't really have a big need for anonymity. I only use MixTum Clearnet and have never touched Tor onion link.
Since most mixers are using Cloudflare or some other CDN, it is very dangerous for your privacy to mix coins over the clearnet when such a CDN is used. See this topic for more details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247838.msg54414843#msg54414843
This is why you should always use the TOR hidden service when mixing if they have one. That one is most likely not using CDNs at all, so they don't have the same problem as the clearnet sites.
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This need may arise completely suddenly, so it makes sense to be familiar with the tools in advance that allow you to gain this anonymity. Or rather, return it. After all, anonymity in Bitcoin was initially something taken for granted. This was the norm, not a privilege. Nowadays it is almost becoming a luxury, and only tools like MixTum or UniJoin allow you to have it.
In fact, I have been using CEX with full KYC without any problems. I think this will become more common in the future as the crypto market develops, similar to investing on stock exchanges.
There's no doubt that the bigger the cryptocurrency market becomes the more the government introduces more KYC restriction rules and regulations which will give people no other choice than to use CEX mostly and if I can remember the exact topic was once raised during the early stage of BTC when Satoshi was discussing it with the community devs but with the service provided by MixTum we can always have something to use for privacy purpose.
You make mention that you're using CEX without a problem, but you fail to understand most CEXs dont always have problems at the early stage until they are among the top CEXs which is when their key dev, staff, and CEO will be the target of bad actors and the government. You can take the issues of FTX, CZ, Bitfinex, and others.
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Since most mixers are using Cloudflare or some other CDN, it is very dangerous for your privacy to mix coins over the clearnet when such a CDN is used. See this topic for more details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247838.msg54414843#msg54414843
This is why you should always use the TOR hidden service when mixing if they have one. That one is most likely not using CDNs at all, so they don't have the same problem as the clearnet sites.
There's no doubt that Tor is an extra level of privacy, but it's far from someone who should feel completely anonymous using it. If "they" want to find you, not even Tor helps, but you surely know all that. However, for ordinary people who do not deal with any bad things but just want privacy, I would definitely recommend to try Tor - after all, it is just a browser that does not require any special knowledge to use.
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There's no doubt that Tor is an extra level of privacy, but it's far from someone who should feel completely anonymous using it. If "they" want to find you, not even Tor helps, but you surely know all that. However, for ordinary people who do not deal with any bad things but just want privacy, I would definitely recommend to try Tor - after all, it is just a browser that does not require any special knowledge to use.
It's not so much about actors exfiltrating data from the user's device than it is about the actors exfiltrating the data from some CDN's cache dump, considering that they put their own TLS certificates in front of the website's.
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As I've shared before, I don't really have a big need for anonymity.
This need may arise completely suddenly, so it makes sense to be familiar with the tools in advance that allow you to gain this anonymity. Or rather, return it. After all, anonymity in Bitcoin was initially something taken for granted. This was the norm, not a privilege. Nowadays it is almost becoming a luxury, and only tools like MixTum or UniJoin allow you to have it.
Additionally, as all blockchain transactions are Public, you might regret not caring about your privacy earlier.
For example, an old transaction might expose your identity (if you are anonymous online like many of us)
Or your coins you received from casino might get freeze by some CEX..
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Good to see MixTum here, literally, the 4 days period is required for the transaction issues to be resolved as addresses will be deleted?
What if transaction issues were not resolved before the window period, what happens to the auto deletion of address?
Meanwhile, how long has MixTum been on board as I want to give it a try.
Is there any online support for Mixtum
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For example, an old transaction might expose your identity (if you are anonymous online like many of us)
Or your coins you received from casino might get freeze by some CEX..
Than dont use CEX, we can live without them fine and we dont have to worry about freezing coins ever.
And hiding identity or using tor would not help with that, it would only make things worse if combination of CEX exchange is used.
You cant force people to care about this.
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With so many Bitcoin mixers in the cryptocurrency space it's becoming complicated to know how to select a good one to use. I have heard so much about mixtum.io but not yet accustomed to it the way I would love to.
What am I looking for in a Bitcoin mixer?
Not really much.
1. Stand out security and anonymity: I believe this is the core reason why people even want Bitcoin mixer.
2. Protection from the mixer itself. Some bitcoin mixer may protect you from the public eyes and keep you anonymous but you would be vulnerable to them, I believe it should be both ways where you can get complete anonymity.
3. Compatibility with Tor browser: I don't know about other but this browser is the deal. It's like an addictional strong layer of protection added to the Bitcoin mixer.
Other things are secondary like transaction fee, confirmation time and so on.
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Other things are secondary like transaction fee, confirmation time and so on.
I would add price as well.
Mixing can be very expensive... I have spent quite some money mixing already..
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Good to see MixTum here, literally, the 4 days period is required for the transaction issues to be resolved as addresses will be deleted?
What if transaction issues were not resolved before the window period, what happens to the auto deletion of address?
If you take your time to go through the Op you’d see that all your questions have been answered there. Read the Op first before you start asking questions about things you don’t understand.
How long do addresses for funds transfer remain valid?
They remain valid for 7 days. This period is sufficient to address any network issues, delays and human errors that may occur, thus guaranteeing safety of customer's assets. Anyway, in all cases an address lifetime for every request is captured in a letter of guarantee provided by the MixTum.io platform.
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Good to read about MixTum, since it does not store logs after some days, what if there was a transaction error that did not pull through? How is that going to be resolved from your end?
And are you saying that it has no security risks and cannot be compromised like leak of transaction details?
Quite interesting.
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Good to read about MixTum, since it does not store logs after some days, what if there was a transaction error that did not pull through? How is that going to be resolved from your end?
And are you saying that it has no security risks and cannot be compromised like leak of transaction details?
Quite interesting.
You can go on Mixtum.io and read by yourself:
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Good to see MixTum here, literally, the 4 days period is required for the transaction issues to be resolved as addresses will be deleted?
What if transaction issues were not resolved before the window period, what happens to the auto deletion of address?
The moment your transaction is recognized on the network, you have started the mixing process. But you can expect realization only after confirmation of your TX.
Good to read about MixTum, since it does not store logs after some days, what if there was a transaction error that did not pull through? How is that going to be resolved from your end?
And are you saying that it has no security risks and cannot be compromised like leak of transaction details?
Quite interesting.
@paid2 overtook me, but to confirm, the letter of guarantee is very important and it is sufficient evidence for all ambiguities.
Otherwise, if you sent the funds incorrectly, to the wrong address for example, you cannot expect any kind of solving or refund because Bitcoin transactions are not reversible.
Mixtum has nothing to do with it.
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This need may arise completely suddenly, so it makes sense to be familiar with the tools in advance that allow you to gain this anonymity. Or rather, return it. After all, anonymity in Bitcoin was initially something taken for granted. This was the norm, not a privilege. Nowadays it is almost becoming a luxury, and only tools like MixTum or UniJoin allow you to have it.
In fact, I have been using CEX with full KYC without any problems. I think this will become more common in the future as the crypto market develops, similar to investing on stock exchanges.
My data is stored by CEX and I believe that someone other than CEX members or the police may be able to access it.
Having our data stored by the CEX is what most privacy enthusiasts fear when nothing is forever safe. If the purpose of the KYC was just to verify the holder information, resident, etc if they are genuine and all the information is deleted it's another thing but saving it can lead to vulnerability of the owner of the private information if the person in charge of the CEX users private information sell it or was hacked and the information falls into the wrong hands.
Meanwhile, all this and more is the reason why people's private information is sold on the dark web.
At the same time, I am not afraid that someone will know how many tokens I have, even if they are only worth a few hundred or a few thousand $. My only concern is that I could be involved in "dirty" money: BTC from hacks or data breaches and terrorist financing. I use MixTum and a few other Mixers only to ensure the security of my CEX account against this risk.
Most bad actors don't always care about the amount of crypto you're holding when they can make millions and more through the use of private information to execute their shady transactions.
If you must use a crypto mixer I will advise you to be sure they offer the quality privacy you want.
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With so many Bitcoin mixers in the cryptocurrency space it's becoming complicated to know how to select a good one to use. I have heard so much about mixtum.io but not yet accustomed to it the way I would love to.
What am I looking for in a Bitcoin mixer?
Not really much.
1. Stand out security and anonymity: I believe this is the core reason why people even want Bitcoin mixer.
2. Protection from the mixer itself. Some bitcoin mixer may protect you from the public eyes and keep you anonymous but you would be vulnerable to them, I believe it should be both ways where you can get complete anonymity.
3. Compatibility with Tor browser: I don't know about other but this browser is the deal. It's like an addictional strong layer of protection added to the Bitcoin mixer.
Other things are secondary like transaction fee, confirmation time and so on.
One of the most important features of a mixer is privacy that prevent mixed coins from being tracked on the blockchain and that is what makes it unique. Any mixer that does not have this feature does not worth to be called a mixer. Every mixed coins are hardly tracked to the origine and that is what the government is fight against to know the origine of every transaction.
Mixing a coin can be a bit expensive but it is quite better than falling in the hands of the AML bot that usually tag addresses based on repetitive transactions with the tagged address. Things could get worse if funds from such address is sent to a centralized platform.
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So basically, MixTum has been around for 4 years and has a solid multisgn security that protects users activities from malicious acts and bridge of sensitive information including errors.
I see that its commission is between 4-5% for cleaning processes which is negligible IMO.
However, my question is, how does MixTum hope to solve the problem of transaction errors that linger since it does not store logs?
Aside from this, what if the cleansing process delays after 6 hours, how would that lapses be handled?
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Having our data stored by the CEX is what most privacy enthusiasts fear when nothing is forever safe. If the purpose of the KYC was just to verify the holder information, resident, etc if they are genuine and all the information is deleted it's another thing but saving it can lead to vulnerability of the owner of the private information if the person in charge of the CEX users private information sell it or was hacked and the information falls into the wrong hands.
Meanwhile, all this and more is the reason why people's private information is sold on the dark web.
Most bad actors don't always care about the amount of crypto you're holding when they can make millions and more through the use of private information to execute their shady transactions.
If you must use a crypto mixer I will advise you to be sure they offer the quality privacy you want.
Yeah, I am aware of the potential risks associated with providing KYC information on CEXs, such as the misuse of personal information or the risk of fraud in the future if hackers obtain our personal data. However, similar to the level of security we experience when using banking services or trading on stock exchanges, hundreds of millions of CEX users are accepting this in exchange for convenience, investment opportunities, and the ability to profit from crypto market.
I understand that the need to protect personal data is paramount for many people, and they genuinely desire anonymity through various services. For the time being, I trust the most reputable CEXs in the crypto market and focus on investing. I only hope that my account will not be frozen due to involvement with "dirty" coins. And that is my sole purpose for using MixTum over other Mixer services.
Of course, I do not object to or deny the different purposes of other Mixtum users ^^
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Having our data stored by the CEX is what most privacy enthusiasts fear when nothing is forever safe. If the purpose of the KYC was just to verify the holder information, resident, etc if they are genuine and all the information is deleted it's another thing but saving it can lead to vulnerability of the owner of the private information if the person in charge of the CEX users private information sell it or was hacked and the information falls into the wrong hands.
Meanwhile, all this and more is the reason why people's private information is sold on the dark web.
Most bad actors don't always care about the amount of crypto you're holding when they can make millions and more through the use of private information to execute their shady transactions.
If you must use a crypto mixer I will advise you to be sure they offer the quality privacy you want.
Yeah, I am aware of the potential risks associated with providing KYC information on CEXs, such as the misuse of personal information or the risk of fraud in the future if hackers obtain our personal data. However, similar to the level of security we experience when using banking services or trading on stock exchanges, hundreds of millions of CEX users are accepting this in exchange for convenience, investment opportunities, and the ability to profit from crypto market.
I understand your point and, sadly, we can't exclude the use of CEX at some point if we want to maximize the chance presented by the market which is the reason why some people use CEXs for investment opportunities, the profitability of the market but for convenience, i will never agree with that because it's better to prioritize security over convenience.
Having said that, we can compare cryptocurrency with banking services, or stock exchanges in which the government play a key role in how they are operating because the foundation of crypto was to operate without the middleman (government, institutional banking, etc).
I understand that the need to protect personal data is paramount for many people, and they genuinely desire anonymity through various services. For the time being, I trust the most reputable CEXs in the crypto market and focus on investing. I only hope that my account will not be frozen due to involvement with "dirty" coins. And that is my sole purpose for using MixTum over other Mixer services.
Of course, I do not object to or deny the different purposes of other Mixtum users ^^
Ok but in the crypto market space, you shouldn't trust any CEXs except yourself due to what has happened to some reputable CEXs in the past where we see their CEO abusing the user funds not to talk about taking precautions to prevent accounts from frozen by CEX.
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I understand your point and, sadly, we can't exclude the use of CEX at some point if we want to maximize the chance presented by the market which is the reason why some people use CEXs for investment
I don't agree with this the major reason why people decided to choose cryptocurrency is because this sector is decentralised, people are tired of being slaves to the the government, and cryptocurrency brings that freedom from surveillance and restrictions.
To further emphasis a large portion if not all those who are into Bitcoin mixing all do it because they value privacy and anonymity.
Centralised exchanges CEX are under the eyes of the government you would need to provide many private details about yourself that can be used to hold you down. Decentralised exchanges are the opposite.
So how do one who decide to use Bitcoin mixer for anonymity and private end up wanting to use centralised exchanges
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I understand your point and, sadly, we can't exclude the use of CEX at some point if we want to maximize the chance presented by the market which is the reason why some people use CEXs for investment
I don't agree with this the major reason why people decided to choose cryptocurrency is because this sector is decentralised, people are tired of being slaves to the the government, and cryptocurrency brings that freedom from surveillance and restrictions.
To further emphasis a large portion if not all those who are into Bitcoin mixing all do it because they value privacy and anonymity.
Centralised exchanges CEX are under the eyes of the government you would need to provide many private details about yourself that can be used to hold you down. Decentralised exchanges are the opposite.
So how do one who decide to use Bitcoin mixer for anonymity and private end up wanting to use centralised exchanges
There could be so many reasons why we choose to mix coins. Most time it is not because we don't want our identity to be tracked but it could be a way to prevent us from been connected to a particular wallet that sent us funds and has been tagged as scam ruled by the AML watch bot.
There are so many reasons why people decide to mix their coins which one need to understand before trying to bring it from the view of Centralized exchanges.
For the centralized exchange to be in operation, that does not mean that they are trying to shift the purpose of Bitcoin which is meant to be decentralized to centralization. Even the CEX is more richer compared to decentralized exchanges if we look at it from another angle. The CEX offers so many features for users which are the reasons every investor want to have a CEX account.
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Good to see MixTum here. The uniqueness of its platform stands out. The fact that it mixes coins and keeps the addresses anonymous plus the low fees and untraceable transactions plus high security of the transaction process makes it a good try for every trader.
I hope the admins updates their website here as the links takes me to an archive messages.
Moreso, does MixTum has a 247 live support should you encounter trouble while mixing coins using MixTum? Peradventure it happens, what is the time frame for troubleshooting?
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I hope the admins updates their website here as the links takes me to an archive messages.
What do you mean exactly? Can't you access mixtum.io ?
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I am new in Bitcoins and this is a very informative topic to discuss in the forum. I have checked on MixTum.io website and learned a lot of things about mixing.
I just would like to clarify something that I have read on one of the articles. It says 'We do not allow clients to set mixing time frames'. So does it mean that getting my money back after mixing might take a long time? or is there a specific time frame for that? Has anyone here tried their services and how long did it took?
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I hope the admins updates their website here as the links takes me to an archive messages.
I don't know what you mean by archive messages. I just checked and the mixtum.io website works perfectly on Tor and also on clearnet.
Could those messages be ads that appear in your browser?. Maybe you should check the settings of your browser and operating system, since from what you say, those messages could be ads.
Also check that the URL is correct for Tor and clearnet as it could be a phishing site.
Clearnet: https://mixtum.io/
Tor: http://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion
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I just would like to clarify something that I have read on one of the articles. It says 'We do not allow clients to set mixing time frames'. So does it mean that getting my money back after mixing might take a long time? or is there a specific time frame for that? Has anyone here tried their services and how long did it took?
No, it just means that the time interval in which the mixing will be done is in the range of 1 to 6 hours maximum - and that the client cannot choose it himself, but will be chosen randomly. It just means that after your transaction is confirmed on the blockchain, you will receive your coins to the address you chose within a maximum time limit of 6 hours.
I think the reason for the clarification is that some other mixers allow the delay time to be set much longer, but at a specific time, which can be, for example, 14 hours 45 minutes. They argue that longer time is better for privacy, but that is now a matter of technical nature that could be debated.
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"...but if you have sent such sum by mistake, contact our help desk."
Hi! I'm planning to use Mixtum.io since I've heard a lot of good feedbacks from their previous users or i must say clients, also no questions ask on the Premium anonymization they're offering (that hopefully worth the price) i just a one concern, as a person who usually commit errors, like who doesn't, right? my question is, How fast or how long is it taking them to respond to human errors concern and let's say technical concerns in general. how do they usually respond do they have live chat or via email and how can they authenticate the client if they don't store information and/or customer info.? i would appreciate a response. Thank you!
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"...but if you have sent such sum by mistake, contact our help desk."
Hi! I'm planning to use Mixtum.io since I've heard a lot of good feedbacks from their previous users or i must say clients, also no questions ask on the Premium anonymization they're offering (that hopefully worth the price) i just a one concern, as a person who usually commit errors, like who doesn't, right? my question is, How fast or how long is it taking them to respond to human errors concern and let's say technical concerns in general. how do they usually respond do they have live chat or via email and how can they authenticate the client if they don't store information and/or customer info.? i would appreciate a response. Thank you!
I dont know how long it takes the Mixtum team to attend to their user's query since I have never had an issue ever since I used their service but they claim to provide a fully automated while their customer support team is always available around the clock to attend to any issues that arise which make have the impression that the use of artificial intelligence within the Bitcoin mixing space is already adopted by some crypto mixer platform and I am correct Mixtum is one of them.
Having said that, if we exclude my view about Mixtum. Mixtum has been in the business of crypto mixing for years and maintains a good reputation. One thing about crypto enthusiast especially privacy is that they always flock to the platform that quenches their thirst for their needs.
Note: It's essential to research and choose a reputable platform, that suits your needs and preferences.
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I have tested mixtum.io and personally it went fine by me, this won't be my first time using a Bitcoin mixer but I noticed some little positive difference using mixtum compared to other. Well this may still just be my own opinion.
The transaction on mixtum. Io is a bit faster than others, and the transaction fees are at good rate. The site is very easy to surf and navigate even a newbie would manage .
But I used the mixer on tor browser to and an extra layer of security, also I had done my research on this mixer before I ventured into using it and I advice you do so too
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"...but if you have sent such sum by mistake, contact our help desk."
Hi! I'm planning to use Mixtum.io since I've heard a lot of good feedbacks from their previous users or i must say clients, also no questions ask on the Premium anonymization they're offering (that hopefully worth the price) i just a one concern, as a person who usually commit errors, like who doesn't, right? my question is, How fast or how long is it taking them to respond to human errors concern and let's say technical concerns in general. how do they usually respond do they have live chat or via email and how can they authenticate the client if they don't store information and/or customer info.? i would appreciate a response. Thank you!
I don't know why there are suddenly so many new users asking questions about solving user errors. You all should probably better inform yourself about the functions of the services you are commenting on.
What kind of mistakes are you even talking about?
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I think that MixTum does cannot help one with creating their own mixing services, it would rather help you mix your own coins.
There has to be another service that can help you create your own service.
Meanwhile, MixTum has a really fair fees for mixing of coins. You should gives it a try and tell from your experience.
It nice to have you guys on this forum I read the OP page but I would like to know if MixTum actually help people to create their own functioning mixing service? If yes, what's in it for the MixTum team?
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Hey guys, I recently stumbled upon this project while searching for reliable coin mixing services. Security and anonymity are my top concerns regarding transactions on the platform. Could someone explain how the mixing service works to safeguard user privacy?
I know that no information is retained after a mixing session, but I'd like to understand how funds are exchanged with other services securely. Does this process ensure complete anonymity for the sender?
Moreover, what are the chances that IP addresses, browser signatures, and cookies are not stored? I want to ensure maximum privacy and security when using this service. Any insights into these aspects would greatly help in making an informed decision about whether to use the platform or not."
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"...but if you have sent such sum by mistake, contact our help desk."
Hi! I'm planning to use Mixtum.io since I've heard a lot of good feedbacks from their previous users or i must say clients, also no questions ask on the Premium anonymization they're offering (that hopefully worth the price) i just a one concern, as a person who usually commit errors, like who doesn't, right? my question is, How fast or how long is it taking them to respond to human errors concern and let's say technical concerns in general. how do they usually respond do they have live chat or via email and how can they authenticate the client if they don't store information and/or customer info.? i would appreciate a response. Thank you!
Oh, this is looking somehow confusing because I still don't get you but I think you are pointing at getting feedback from the Mixtum customer service about unresolved issue. That shouldn't be a problem but you need to have some understanding about Bitcoin and mixing before you ever think of mixing your coin so you can follow the procedures for it to get done.
Do you mean you are someone that commit error? Even though but that does not mean that you would have to make mistakes that could lead to lose of your fund. For you to mix your coin, what is required is to create a new wallet address that would be for the output of your fund. All you have to do is to send your fund to the specified wallet address for your coin to be conjoined. Since you are talking about making mistake, do you plan to make the mistake of sending your funds to the wrong address? You need to chill and take sometimes to read about how Bitcoin mixers work and their mechanization.
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I was thinking. What if mixtum promoted a review campaign?
I saw it created two a long time ago, in 2019.
It could he useful to get reviews of experienced members of the community, it could also attract more users and clear most common questions about the mixing process.
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I was thinking. What if mixtum promoted a review campaign?
I saw it created two a long time ago, in 2019.
It could he useful to get reviews of experienced members of the community, it could also attract more users and clear most common questions about the mixing process.
TX fees were acceptable these days, I think less than 20sat/vb. Mixtum also offers an option for free testing, i.e. without paying the mixing fee, it's a good possibility for a review.
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I was thinking. What if mixtum promoted a review campaign?
I saw it created two a long time ago, in 2019.
It could he useful to get reviews of experienced members of the community, it could also attract more users and clear most common questions about the mixing process.
TX fees were acceptable these days, I think less than 20sat/vb. Mixtum also offers an option for free testing, i.e. without paying the mixing fee, it's a good possibility for a review.
(https://bitcoindata.science/api/bitcoinfees.php?¤cy=USD&hex=000000) (https://bitcoindata.science/bitcointalk-api.html#bitcoin-fees)
Indeed. High fees makes such campaigns very expensive for bother testers and the mixer...
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So team, I understand that you may be very busy and in may probably take a very long time for you to see this message and respond to it but I have few questions to ask regarding the privacy of the project, how user data is protected most importantly the technicalities of the mixing process.
Is there a white paper of some sort that explains the inner workings of this mixing service in greater details especially how it relates to exchange of funds with external services that may or may not be regulated.
Also how quick can a mixing service last and are there verifiable evidence of trust from end users like reviews on trustpilot and the likes?
Also what does the process of mixing entail? What are the fee structures like and how important or how necessary is it for one to be technically vast to be able to use this mixing service?
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So team, I understand that you may be very busy and in may probably take a very long time for you to see this message and respond to it but I have few questions to ask regarding the privacy of the project, how user data is protected most importantly the technicalities of the mixing process.
Is there a white paper of some sort that explains the inner workings of this mixing service in greater details especially how it relates to exchange of funds with external services that may or may not be regulated.
Also how quick can a mixing service last and are there verifiable evidence of trust from end users like reviews on trustpilot and the likes?
Also what does the process of mixing entail? What are the fee structures like and how important or how necessary is it for one to be technically vast to be able to use this mixing service?
Hey mate I am not technical guru but when using a Bitcoin mixer you would be required to provide a receiving wallet this would serve as the final destination for your Bitcoin. I believe it's all about mixing your Bitcoin across several other wallets in a manner that it can not be traced to the final destination which is the wallet you provided.
Also transaction fees aren't fixed although some mixers has a more inflated transaction fee than other but I don't think you can get a fixed answer as far as transaction fee is concern.
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I'm a little bit confused as to what you meant by MixTum does not shuffle available funds in one multiple pots but exchanges incoming bitcoin.
Are you saying that MixTum does not mix older funds but New Bitcoin funds?
I find it a little vague to understand.
This would be my first time using it so could you explain it to me as a lay man?
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So team, I understand that you may be very busy and in may probably take a very long time for you to see this message and respond to it but I have few questions to ask regarding the privacy of the project, how user data is protected most importantly the technicalities of the mixing process.
Is there a white paper of some sort that explains the inner workings of this mixing service in greater details especially how it relates to exchange of funds with external services that may or may not be regulated.
Also how quick can a mixing service last and are there verifiable evidence of trust from end users like reviews on trustpilot and the likes?
Also what does the process of mixing entail? What are the fee structures like and how important or how necessary is it for one to be technically vast to be able to use this mixing service?
Advice for you, go to https://mixtum.io/ and read the terms of use, mixing method, etc... There you can find all the answers to most of the questions you asked. After that, if you have any doubts, come here to ask direct questions.
Mixers are not any ICO or NFT projects, things like white paper are completely irrelevant here.
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Is there a white paper
Are you seriously asking from them to show you some white paper for mixer that already exist for years? :o
In one topic you are asking spam questions like this, and in another mixer topic you are advising and teaching other members how mixing works.
Brilliant ;D
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I don't know why there are suddenly so many new users asking questions about solving user errors.
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It seems to me that someone is trying to do something with their alt farm by asking questions that of course do not interest them, but they have the goal of gathering activity and maybe some + karma. This tactic has already been seen countless times on BTT, and apart from the members who teleported, it seems that a lot of negative things also teleported here.
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If you’re like me who seeks premium quality of coins or a premium quality coin mixer, mixtum.io is for you, based on my experience they indeed provide premium coin anonymity and they made sure that the coins you'll receive in return for your Bitcoins come from the major cryptocurrency exchanges. And it's widely known that only clean coins can enter those ecosystems after passing through rigorous KYC/AML checks. I also love its unique feature that Tumbler doesn’t mix coins from different users in a pool, and that the coins are coming from cryptocurrency exchanges, that's why i highly recommend this platform.
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I have tested mixtum.io and personally it went fine by me, this won't be my first time using a Bitcoin mixer but I noticed some little positive difference using mixtum compared to other. Well this may still just be my own opinion.
The transaction on mixtum. Io is a bit faster than others, and the transaction fees are at good rate. The site is very easy to surf and navigate even a newbie would manage .
I have not tried out the Mixtum Tumbler service, but I like what I am seeing so far and what people are saying about them which is the reason why I want to give it a try the next time I want to move my Bitcoin to my cold storage.
But I used the mixer on tor browser to and an extra layer of security, also I had done my research on this mixer before I ventured into using it and I advice you do so too
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When privacy is a top priority, no matter how secure and the genuine no-user log service a crypto tumbler provides access to the website through the use of Tor browser is always the best way to go. However, using a Tor browser dont solve the privacy issue either if the user doesn't set or use the Tor browser in a way that he/she will get total privacy.
I'm pointing this out cause some people dont understand that the Tor browser still requires a good setting before it can provide the needed privacy shield.
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I have not tried out the Mixtum Tumbler service, but I like what I am seeing so far and what people are saying about them which is the reason why I want to give it a try the next time I want to move my Bitcoin to my cold storage.
Seeing and actually experiencing it are completely two different things. I honestly think you should do a test run you would definitely find out more this things about this Bitcoin mixer.
But from your post you aren't a newbie when it comes to Bitcoin mixing so what's you grading like? What are you searching for in a Bitcoin mixer, what's your turn off on a Bitcoin mixer and what are you advice to first timers Bitcoin mixer users.
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And it's widely known that only clean coins can enter those ecosystems after passing through rigorous KYC/AML checks.
I also love its unique feature that Tumbler doesn’t mix coins from different users in a pool, and that the coins are coming from cryptocurrency exchanges, that's why i highly recommend this platform.
Tumbling your Bitcoin depends on the level of safety and anonymity you are looking for since the process is absolutely easy and just requires couples of hours to get your coin back to your new wallet address. Chosing whether to mix a coin especially Bitcoin could depend on where the coin is coming from especially when it is from online business partners that are unknown with hidden identity.
We also need some level of privacy if we really don't want to be tracked by scammers or hackers that are always targeting different wallet transactions to how where the fund is coming from and where it is going. Tumbling your Bitcoin can create a gap and disconnect the chances of being traced.
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It seems to me that someone is trying to do something with their alt farm by asking questions that of course do not interest them, but they have the goal of gathering activity and maybe some + karma. This tactic has already been seen countless times on BTT, and apart from the members who teleported, it seems that a lot of negative things also teleported here.
I sincerely hope that this is not planned or even worse paid for, it is quite unconvincing and repulsive.
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Hey team, this looks like a good project, but I'm surprised I haven't heard about it considering that it launched over five years ago.
I'm reading through the initial post and can't help but notice a couple of claims I'd like some clarification on.
The article claims that the platform "does not shuffle available funds in one or multiple pots, but exchanges incoming bitcoins with coins purchased from investors - cryptocurrency exchanges."
What are those investor cryptocurrency exchanges? Are they regular cryptocurrency exchanges, or are there some special investment vehicles set up for this particular purpose?
Also, regarding your process of mixing coins, you wrote: "Our transfer algorithm selects independent investors and trading platforms, and breaks down your funds in a manner that completely removes a link between input and output transactions. We neither require registration nor store logs. Once the mixing is done and the transaction confirmed, the data on processed transactions is deleted. For each mixing request, we issue a digitally signed letter of guarantee, which confirms our obligations to the client."
How can this be independently verified to give users confidence and trust that coins are properly mixed and cannot be traced?
I see there's a lot of attention on the project and an influx of intending users, so I believe this is a valid question that should be addressed.
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For the benefit of clarity on MixTum:
In a case where an investor loses his digitally signed letter of guarantee which happens to be the only means of trace knowing fully well that the organisation stores no data nor log of transactions; is there a provisions for a re-issuing of another digitally signed letter of guarantee?
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It seems to me that someone is trying to do something with their alt farm by asking questions that of course do not interest them, but they have the goal of gathering activity and maybe some + karma. This tactic has already been seen countless times on BTT, and apart from the members who teleported, it seems that a lot of negative things also teleported here.
I sincerely hope that this is not planned or even worse paid for, it is quite unconvincing and repulsive.
I can only conclude that these are not unique users who are genuinely interested in mixers, and it is also evident that this mixer is not their only "target", considering that they are "attacking" another ANN mixer topic. In any case, it seems that there is some kind of intention behind everything, but I honestly doubt that it is about the fact that the mixers paid these bots to do additional promotion for them.
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Hi everyone, i just recently discover this platform while looking for a coin mixer to use for my growing wallet, as i was browsing i've read some good and not so good feedbacks from others so im wondering if anyone here who tried their service for real? Mind sharing your experience? how did it go and the things that i should keep in mind before "availing" their service or before i input my funds? i would really appreciate it. Thank you so much!
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Indeed. High fees makes such campaigns very expensive for bother testers and the mixer...
MixTum has Free Trial: Mixing commissions are waived, but users must send exactly 0.001 BTC. Reviewers can easily experience and evaluate MixTum's services, especially now that transaction fees on the Bitcoin blockchain have decreased following the cooling of the Runes protocol craze.
I support the idea of a Review contest, but it's not thought to be truly engaging as the user experience on MixTum is quite similar in terms of operations and results. The only difference might be in terms of perception and language usage. I think a Social campaign might be more suitable in helping MixTum reach potential users on social media.
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think a Social campaign might be more suitable in helping MixTum reach potential users on social media.
I don't think anyone seeking a privacy platform would seeking social media to get information about it.. I wouldn't .
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I don't think anyone seeking a privacy platform would seeking social media to get information about it.. I wouldn't .
I cant imagine Mixtum and other mixers doing that on X and other social media websites.
They could only get more attention from governments by doing that, and I would avoid doing that and rubbing their noses.
Search engine ads and forum promotions are much better.
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I don't know why there are suddenly so many new users asking questions about solving user errors.
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It seems to me that someone is trying to do something with their alt farm by asking questions that of course do not interest them, but they have the goal of gathering activity and maybe some + karma. This tactic has already been seen countless times on BTT, and apart from the members who teleported, it seems that a lot of negative things also teleported here.
Karma is basically worthless here - it is not as large as in Bitcointalk, it won't help you get into any campaigns, and nobody really cares much about it in general. I don't know why someone would waste their time farming karma on this forum.
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Karma is basically worthless here - it is not as large as in Bitcointalk, it won't help you get into any campaigns, and nobody really cares much about it in general. I don't know why someone would waste their time farming karma on this forum.
it is human nature to like to be rewarded. any kind of satisfaction raises self-confidence, I guess that suits everyone.
If we talk about campaigns, there are a few missing here, that's a fact. The fact that two campaigns have now stopped significantly complicates the development of this forum.
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Karma is basically worthless here - it is not as large as in Bitcointalk, it won't help you get into any campaigns, and nobody really cares much about it in general. I don't know why someone would waste their time farming karma on this forum.
I would not agree with your opinion, because although karma is not like merits in the technical sense, the number of positive karmas is an indicator of how much other members value someone's contribution on the forum. Therefore, I would not underestimate that feature of the forum, and that is certainly the case with those mentioned here.
In addition, our manager keeps statistics on the number of karma of each campaign participant, which is another thing that does not support your thesis.
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I don't think anyone seeking a privacy platform would seeking social media to get information about it.. I wouldn't .
I cant imagine Mixtum and other mixers doing that on X and other social media websites.
They could only get more attention from governments by doing that, and I would avoid doing that and rubbing their noses.
Search engine ads and forum promotions are much better.
I'm simply offering a suggestion to help MixTum expand its user base. I believe this could be incorporated into a marketing campaign, and MixTum team can consider to make the best decision for the future of MixTum.
I'm not trying to give any advice, I just want to see MixTum continue to operate stably to be one of my top choices when I want to mix BTC.
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Karma is basically worthless here - it is not as large as in Bitcointalk, it won't help you get into any campaigns, and nobody really cares much about it in general. I don't know why someone would waste their time farming karma on this forum.
I don't agree that karma is worthless in this forum. Another thing is that managers don't consider a user's Karma amount (at the moment) to be relevant for signature campaigns, but that can change at any time. The administrator said that a new rule will be implemented on the forum, where users must have a certain amount of Karma in order to reach the next rank. When that new rule is implemented, there may come a time when managers believe that Karma is relevant to accepting users in a signature campaign. There is still no exact date to know when the new rule will be implemented.
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Karma is basically worthless here - it is not as large as in Bitcointalk, it won't help you get into any campaigns, and nobody really cares much about it in general. I don't know why someone would waste their time farming karma on this forum.
I don't agree that karma is worthless in this forum. Another thing is that managers don't consider a user's Karma amount (at the moment) to be relevant for signature campaigns, but that can change at any time. The administrator said that a new rule will be implemented on the forum, where users must have a certain amount of Karma in order to reach the next rank. When that new rule is implemented, there may come a time when managers believe that Karma is relevant to accepting users in a signature campaign. There is still no exact date to know when the new rule will be implemented.
OK, I wasn't aware of that. However, what is going to stop people from simply adding +1 karma to each of a particular user's posts, as a form of merit abuse? I believe that each post can only get one karma, so that's a good start. However, I don't think it would be enough to stop a determined merit abuser (although I don't know if just any account can send karma or not).
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OK, I wasn't aware of that. However, what is going to stop people from simply adding +1 karma to each of a particular user's posts, as a form of merit abuse? I believe that each post can only get one karma, so that's a good start. However, I don't think it would be enough to stop a determined merit abuser (although I don't know if just any account can send karma or not).
Nothing prevents members from giving karma points in the way they think it should be done, and certainly there is abuse in all of this. As far as I know, a new feature should be available in the future that would show which post got karma so that we will be able to fight abuses more efficiently - now (except admin I guess) no one can know which post got positive/negative karma.
As for the rules for giving karma, all members who are Senior Rank+ can give them unlimitedly, and I think there is a limit of 1 user to another user only 1 karma every 10 hours.
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However, what is going to stop people from simply adding +1 karma to each of a particular user's posts, as a form of merit abuse?
admin has insight into giving karma between users, there was almost an exposed case of farming karma points between alt accounts. It resulted in returning to 0 karma points for all connected accounts.
btw. It would be good if we all had at least an indication of which post received (and how many) karma points.
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admin has insight into giving karma between users, there was almost an exposed case of farming karma points between alt accounts. It resulted in returning to 0 karma points for all connected accounts.
btw. It would be good if we all had at least an indication of which post received (and how many) karma points.
It seems like we've gone too far off-topic. The Karma issue should be discussed in the Forum related, and honestly, it has been discussed a lot over the past few years ^^
Right now, I'm quite worried about a new proposal to freeze crypto assets related to Mixers. This is really worrying to me because I have always been concerned about the cleanliness of my BTC and have often used Mixers to make sure they are always "clean" enough to avoid problems when depositing them into accounts on CEXs. If CEXs have to freeze all crypto assets related to Mixers, I will have to find other ways to make sure my account is okay. I'm not even sure if every satoshi in my account has ever been associated with Mixers in the past few years 8)
- U.S. Members Of Congress Propose Two-Year Ban On Crypto Mixers (https://cryptodaily.co.uk/news-in-crypto/observers:u-s-members-of-congress-propose-two-year-ban-on-crypto-mixers)
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Right now, I'm quite worried about a new proposal to freeze crypto assets related to Mixers. This is really worrying to me because I have always been concerned about the cleanliness of my BTC and have often used Mixers to make sure they are always "clean" enough to avoid problems when depositing them into accounts on CEXs. If CEXs have to freeze all crypto assets related to Mixers, I will have to find other ways to make sure my account is okay. I'm not even sure if every satoshi in my account has ever been associated with Mixers in the past few years 8)
- U.S. Members Of Congress Propose Two-Year Ban On Crypto Mixers (https://cryptodaily.co.uk/news-in-crypto/observers:u-s-members-of-congress-propose-two-year-ban-on-crypto-mixers)
I'm fine with this if it's clearly defined.
This law will apply to US citizens. Also, every service that is subject to such a law should have a clear notification to its users that they do not accept coins from mixers or whatever and that there is a possibility of blocking or confiscating coins.
If we all ignored such services, they would certainly think differently about this problem.
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I'm not even sure if every satoshi in my account has ever been associated with Mixers in the past few years 8)
- U.S. Members Of Congress Propose Two-Year Ban On Crypto Mixers (https://cryptodaily.co.uk/news-in-crypto/observers:u-s-members-of-congress-propose-two-year-ban-on-crypto-mixers)
It is very likely that most of your satoshis have been in a mixer at some point.
Exchanges can't check the complete history of every sat. They will probably check the past 3-6 transactions...
You could just make a few hops inside your own wallet , or even exchange them for another coin in a swap service if you are very paranoid.
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You could just make a few hops inside your own wallet , or even exchange them for another coin in a swap service if you are very paranoid.
It's always a good extra step for anyone who wants extra privacy, but it comes at a price since every transaction has a price. However, I would rather pay a few $ more than have possible problems when my coins arrive at their destination. Now that I'm already thinking about it, maybe mixers could also enable additional "mixing" of already mixed coins in a way to make a couple of hops through addresses that the client could specify in the mixing process.
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Right now, I'm quite worried about a new proposal to freeze crypto assets related to Mixers. This is really worrying to me because I have always been concerned about the cleanliness of my BTC and have often used Mixers to make sure they are always "clean" enough to avoid problems when depositing them into accounts on CEXs. If CEXs have to freeze all crypto assets related to Mixers, I will have to find other ways to make sure my account is okay. I'm not even sure if every satoshi in my account has ever been associated with Mixers in the past few years 8)
- U.S. Members Of Congress Propose Two-Year Ban On Crypto Mixers (https://cryptodaily.co.uk/news-in-crypto/observers:u-s-members-of-congress-propose-two-year-ban-on-crypto-mixers)
Even if something like this become a reality one day, with a service like Mixtum, or any other service using Jambler you would be fine, as the concept itself is to receive coins from regulated exchanges.
Just check the following messages :
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314446.msg1533631#msg1533631 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314446.msg1533631#msg1533631)
or https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314446.msg1534096#msg1534096 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314446.msg1534096#msg1534096)[/li]
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Karma is basically worthless here - it is not as large as in Bitcointalk, it won't help you get into any campaigns, and nobody really cares much about it in general. I don't know why someone would waste their time farming karma on this forum.
I don't agree that karma is worthless in this forum. Another thing is that managers don't consider a user's Karma amount (at the moment) to be relevant for signature campaigns, but that can change at any time. The administrator said that a new rule will be implemented on the forum, where users must have a certain amount of Karma in order to reach the next rank. When that new rule is implemented, there may come a time when managers believe that Karma is relevant to accepting users in a signature campaign. There is still no exact date to know when the new rule will be implemented.
OK, I wasn't aware of that. However, what is going to stop people from simply adding +1 karma to each of a particular user's posts, as a form of merit abuse? I believe that each post can only get one karma, so that's a good start. However, I don't think it would be enough to stop a determined merit abuser (although I don't know if just any account can send karma or not).
To start, users must be at least senior members and can only give +1 every 10 hours. If a user receives a lot of karma without having much activity, or if a user receives a lot of karma with a lot of activity but their posts are LQP, the administrator will soon notice it in the logs, so it wouldn't cost much to put the counters back as they were and penalize users who did so. Also, the administrator is working on several things related to karma to have more control. No system is perfect and everything can be improved, but it is difficult and time-consuming.
As for your idea that each post can only receive 1 karma from the same user, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. If you want, you can propose it in the suggestions subforum.
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As for your idea that each post can only receive 1 karma from the same user, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.
Yes, that's a good idea but I think it could cause more bugs when implemented and there might be users who may take advantage of such bugs if they somehow find those. I believe a better approach should be to allow members to send +2 Karma per day without that delay of 10 hours. However, the users may not be allowed to user more than +2 or -2 Karma to a user within 24 hours.
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It is very likely that most of your satoshis have been in a mixer at some point.
Yes, but government has special magic trick to make any bitcoin sats whitelisted, and than they can sell it :P
If anyone else tries to do that they are going to be charged as criminals.
Exchanges can't check the complete history of every sat. They will probably check the past 3-6 transactions...
They are obviously not doing anything manually.
Analytics software used by them is complicated and it is checking all connections, not just ones that are previously made.
I think this is all crap,it is not exact science, and it's dangerous for Bitcoin.
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Even if something like this become a reality one day, with a service like Mixtum, or any other service using Jambler you would be fine, as the concept itself is to receive coins from regulated exchanges.
Yeah, I've thought about this too: MixTum could guarantee that all BTC comes from CEXs and is not accused of being "dirty" money or being associated with mixers. However, there is always risk in the market, and I can be more at ease when CEXs do not take an extreme stance on BTC associated with mixers.
The opposite would happen if CEXs were forced to be more cautious and comply with new proposals related to mixers if these proposals were to be passed. I'm even quite confused about not being able to know which satoshi in my account has ever been associated with mixers, or whether my account could be frozen because 2 years ago I received 1000 satoshi associated with mixers from 5 years ago. The same would happen to hundreds of millions of CEX users around the world, and I think we would have a real mess in the crypto market.
I hope that unreasonable proposals like this will be rejected by legislators who really understand the crypto market and want the crypto market to continue to develop.
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They are obviously not doing anything manually.
Analytics software used by them is complicated and it is checking all connections, not just ones that are previously made.
I think this is all crap,it is not exact science, and it's dangerous for Bitcoin.
They can't check everything (all coin history). They would block a lot of people who doenst even know what mixers are , and probably even block coins that came from another cex. Mixers exist for a long time and the amount of coins whi has ever been in casinos or mixers is enormous.
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They can't check everything (all coin history). They would block a lot of people who doenst even know what mixers are , and probably even block coins that came from another cex. Mixers exist for a long time and the amount of coins whi has ever been in casinos or mixers is enormous.
I've worked in the Risk department of a CEX, and all transactions were analyzed by an AML/CTF algo. On the other hand, it's a set of factors more than the transaction itself that can lead to the transaction being frozen. Each user has a Risk Score based on the frequency of deposits/withdrawals, the amounts, the origin of deposits, their country of residence, and the SoF questionnaire they filled in on registration (income, expected volumes on the platform, etc.). Clearly, coins with a history with a casino or mixer aren't a problem if they're the user's only red flag, but if other flags are present, they'll use this as a pretext to justify asking for the origin of the funds.
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Clearly, coins with a history with a casino or mixer aren't a problem if they're the user's only red flag, but if other flags are present, they'll use this as a pretext to justify asking for the origin of the funds.
As things stand, it would be best if the feds confiscate all the coins at some point, after that all the coins will be clean. After their "mixing", there is no need to look into the earlier history of the coin. ::)
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Clearly, coins with a history with a casino or mixer aren't a problem if they're the user's only red flag, but if other flags are present, they'll use this as a pretext to justify asking for the origin of the funds.
As things stand, it would be best if the feds confiscate all the coins at some point, after that all the coins will be clean. After their "mixing", there is no need to look into the earlier history of the coin. ::)
There is no mixing in such a situation, there is only a strongly-worded letter from the three letter agencies to the chain analysis companies demanding them to mark all of their UTXOs as safe so that they do not trigger any AML violations. ::) Any believe it or not, they comply with that stuff. It's like the whole AML score classification is a complete joke.
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As things stand, it would be best if the feds confiscate all the coins at some point, after that all the coins will be clean. After their "mixing", there is no need to look into the earlier history of the coin. ::)
When we look at all the seizures over the years, maybe we could say that those who fight the most against the mixers are actually the biggest "mixers" and turn all the "dirty coins" into clean ones. Of course, they profit by doing so, and in such a way that their fee is only 100% ::)
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Clearly, coins with a history with a casino or mixer aren't a problem if they're the user's only red flag, but if other flags are present, they'll use this as a pretext to justify asking for the origin of the funds.
As things stand, it would be best if the feds confiscate all the coins at some point, after that all the coins will be clean. After their "mixing", there is no need to look into the earlier history of the coin. ::)
Exchanging coins to usdt I think is always safe.
All usdt are supposedly clean
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Exchanging coins to usdt I think is always safe.
All usdt are supposedly clean
USDT can be locked (at least as far as I know), regardless of which service/wallet you use. The USDT unlocking procedure can be tedious as well.
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I've worked in the Risk department of a CEX, and all transactions were analyzed by an AML/CTF algo. On the other hand, it's a set of factors more than the transaction itself that can lead to the transaction being frozen. Each user has a Risk Score based on the frequency of deposits/withdrawals, the amounts, the origin of deposits, their country of residence, and the SoF questionnaire they filled in on registration (income, expected volumes on the platform, etc.). Clearly, coins with a history with a casino or mixer aren't a problem if they're the user's only red flag, but if other flags are present, they'll use this as a pretext to justify asking for the origin of the funds.
Thank you for the very useful information. I had no idea how CEXs analyze and make decisions on user accounts. In the past, Binance has also frozen user BTC related to CoinJoin, so I am quite worried.
I hope that the silly proposal related to crypto Mixers will not be passed and users will have one less worry about Mixers.
- Binance Returns Frozen BTC After User ‘Promises’ Not to Use CoinJoin (https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-returns-frozen-btc-after-user-promises-not-to-use-coinjoin)
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Exchanging coins to usdt I think is always safe.
All usdt are supposedly clean
I wouldn't say this is safe, everything is public they can always make them ''unclean'' later if they want.
There are many cases of addresses on ethereum with tether tokens being blacklisted before.
USDT can be locked (at least as far as I know), regardless of which service/wallet you use. The USDT unlocking procedure can be tedious as well.
That is true on ethereum blockchain, but I am not sure how if it works that way on all other blockchains.
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That is true on ethereum blockchain, but I am not sure how if it works that way on all other blockchains.
As far as I know, USDT can be frozen on ETH and TRON (https://cncintel.com/freezing-usdt-on-ethereum-and-tron/#Real-world_Cases_and_Examples) too.
For the curious ones, you can have a look on USDT banned addresses here: https://dune.com/phabc/usdt---banned-addresses . This is why (https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/04/24/tether-will-freeze-wallets-evading-venezuelan-sanctions/) people should use DAI instead of USDT in my opinion (EU users, be careful USDT will be banned in June for the whole EU).
Exchanging coins to usdt I think is always safe.
All usdt are supposedly clean
I understand the logic, but in my opinion in this case, using Mixtum or any Jambler based mixer would be better from a "privacy perspective", or swapping BTC for XMR and back to BTC again (but would probably be expensive to pay for the 2 swaps + network fees).
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...people should use DAI instead of USDT in my opinion (EU users, be careful USDT will be banned in June for the whole EU).
I didn't know that the EU geniuses would do it, but it has been a big wish of some people from the ECB for years, especially their chief CL, who otherwise has a similar position on cryptocurrencies as, for example, the well-known SEC chairman. Given that I do not use stablecoins, this decision will not affect me, but it is really funny to me that they are fighting in such radical ways against everything they consider a threat to the euro - but they are obviously learning from their political brothers across the big pond.
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...people should use DAI instead of USDT in my opinion (EU users, be careful USDT will be banned in June for the whole EU).
I didn't know that the EU geniuses would do it, but it has been a big wish of some people from the ECB for years, especially their chief CL, who otherwise has a similar position on cryptocurrencies as, for example, the well-known SEC chairman. Given that I do not use stablecoins, this decision will not affect me, but it is really funny to me that they are fighting in such radical ways against everything they consider a threat to the euro - but they are obviously learning from their political brothers across the big pond.
They feel threatened at least for the Euro, so they decided that it is best to ignore the problem. :o The old school of politicians really needs to retire, they have a hard time adapting.
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...people should use DAI instead of USDT in my opinion (EU users, be careful USDT will be banned in June for the whole EU).
I didn't know that the EU geniuses would do it, but it has been a big wish of some people from the ECB for years, especially their chief CL, who otherwise has a similar position on cryptocurrencies as, for example, the well-known SEC chairman. Given that I do not use stablecoins, this decision will not affect me, but it is really funny to me that they are fighting in such radical ways against everything they consider a threat to the euro - but they are obviously learning from their political brothers across the big pond.
They feel threatened at least for the Euro, so they decided that it is best to ignore the problem. :o The old school of politicians really needs to retire, they have a hard time adapting.
Even users who do not hold usdt can be affected. I think stablecoins are among the best altcoins out there.
Stablecoins are a convenient and somewhat private (more than banks). I have received a few times as a webdev, and converted to btc.
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...people should use DAI instead of USDT in my opinion (EU users, be careful USDT will be banned in June for the whole EU).
I didn't know that the EU geniuses would do it, but it has been a big wish of some people from the ECB for years, especially their chief CL, who otherwise has a similar position on cryptocurrencies as, for example, the well-known SEC chairman. Given that I do not use stablecoins, this decision will not affect me, but it is really funny to me that they are fighting in such radical ways against everything they consider a threat to the euro - but they are obviously learning from their political brothers across the big pond.
Surprise (insert The Joker GIF here), who would've known that blacklisting your own coins wouldn't stop you from getting banned?
If you are not working with the government then you are like an enemy to them.
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people should use DAI instead of USDT in my opinion (EU users, be careful USDT will be banned in June for the whole EU).
In same way they are planning to ban USDT in EU they can ban (and probably will ban) any other stable coins, including DAI.
I think there are also Euro based stable coins but this is all the same crap that is losing value like fiat currencies.
I understand the logic, but in my opinion in this case, using Mixtum or any Jambler based mixer would be better from a "privacy perspective", or swapping BTC for XMR and back to BTC again (but would probably be expensive to pay for the 2 swaps + network fees).
Or just use Monero directly to save on fees ;)
Even users who do not hold usdt can be affected. I think stablecoins are among the best altcoins out there.
No they are not, they just give you the illusion of stability.
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I understand the logic, but in my opinion in this case, using Mixtum or any Jambler based mixer would be better from a "privacy perspective", or swapping BTC for XMR and back to BTC again (but would probably be expensive to pay for the 2 swaps + network fees).
Or just use Monero directly to save on fees ;)
Some Mixers support the BTC > XMR > BTC feature to enhance anonymity thanks to Monero. Users of these services want to own BTC, not XMR, because BTC has more potential than a privacy coin, as evidenced by the long-term downward trend of the XMRBTC chart.
(https://www.tradingview.com/x/5nusAoHw/)
I think using the BTC > XMR > BTC services is really effective for anonymity purposes but does not guarantee the "cleanliness" of BTC like MixTum's Jambler, so I do not choose these services.
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Some Mixers support the BTC > XMR > BTC feature to enhance anonymity thanks to Monero. Users of these services want to own BTC, not XMR, because BTC has more potential than a privacy coin, as evidenced by the long-term downward trend of the XMRBTC chart.
Do not mess up mixing coins and trading. Users who use the mixer certainly do not do it to make some trading profit, because these are two completely different functions. Surely no one decides to hold XMR or any coin just because they can convert BTC to XMR through a specific mixer.
If you are already talking about the drop in the value of XMR, there are serious reasons for that, delisting from some large exchanges plus a serious fight with the SEC certainly have a big impact on everything.
It is in the interest of the entire crypto ecosystem that XMR survives everything that happens against it.
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Maybe I forgot (or didn't notice before), but it seems to me that MixTum added a new mix mode called Precise Payment. As far as I can see, it is about the possibility to pay someone directly from the mixer - what do you think about this option?
Precise Payment Mode
Make accurate Bitcoin payments anonymously and without hassle
Please enter below: the amount, the destination address to transfer this amount to, and the change address for any funds left over after anonymization
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Maybe I forgot (or didn't notice before), but it seems to me that MixTum added a new mix mode called Precise Payment. As far as I can see, it is about the possibility to pay someone directly from the mixer - what do you think about this option?
I think it's a great idea! It allows us to pay someone directly while limiting fees (it removes one transaction compared to mixing/receiving of funds + sending to X) and, above all, it prevents the recipient from knowing your BTC address/funds, which I really like, with the certainty that the coins won't be frozen thanks to the way Jambler works. A great way to spend your signature campaign sats if you want to pay for online services, for example :P
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I think it's a great idea! It allows us to pay someone directly while limiting fees (it removes one transaction compared to mixing/receiving of funds + sending to X) and, above all, it prevents the recipient from knowing your BTC address/funds, which I really like, with the certainty that the coins won't be frozen thanks to the way Jambler works. A great way to spend your signature campaign sats if you want to pay for online services, for example :P
It is certainly a good function, although I did not find anything about how much the fee is in this case. I assume that it is like in the case of sending to two addresses with the choice that in such a transaction we have a "change" address.
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I think it's a great idea! It allows us to pay someone directly while limiting fees (it removes one transaction compared to mixing/receiving of funds + sending to X) and, above all, it prevents the recipient from knowing your BTC address/funds, which I really like, with the certainty that the coins won't be frozen thanks to the way Jambler works. A great way to spend your signature campaign sats if you want to pay for online services, for example :P
That sounds like a good use case for this feature.
I remember some of the old mixers had payment codes and other ways for saving fees with importing private keys to bitcoin wallets.
Mixtum should add more information about fees on Precise Payment Mode page, but I guess it's just their standard fees 4% - 5% + 0.0007 BTC.
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Maybe I forgot (or didn't notice before), but it seems to me that MixTum added a new mix mode called Precise Payment. As far as I can see, it is about the possibility to pay someone directly from the mixer - what do you think about this option?
Precise Payment Mode
Make accurate Bitcoin payments anonymously and without hassle
Please enter below: the amount, the destination address to transfer this amount to, and the change address for any funds left over after anonymization
This is a new feature that I have never heard of anywhere else.
However, I don't really get what is really different from adding the payment address as the destination address in a normal mix. Maybe the change feature? But you could just add a second destination address anyway
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Mixtum should add more information about fees on Precise Payment Mode page, but I guess it's just their standard fees 4% - 5% + 0.0007 BTC.
Probably 4%-5% + 2x 0.0007 BTC, because there are two deposit addresses in question
This is a new feature that I have never heard of anywhere else.
However, I don't really get what is really different from adding the payment address as the destination address in a normal mix. Maybe the change feature? But you could just add a second destination address anyway
The advantage is that one transaction can be in a precise amount, while the rest goes to another address (after service and network fee).
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Maybe I forgot (or didn't notice before), but it seems to me that MixTum added a new mix mode called Precise Payment. As far as I can see, it is about the possibility to pay someone directly from the mixer - what do you think about this option?
I'm not sure if this is a new feature of MixTum, I thought I knew MixTum has supported it for a long time or maybe I've seen this feature on some Mixer services. This feature is usually used when users want to combine the purpose of transferring the exact amount of BTC and the anonymous feature through MixTum.
I have never used this feature on MixTum because I am usually more interested in the amount of BTC leaving my personal account rather than the exact amount to another my personal account. I think some users will find this MixTum service useful.
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I have never used this feature on MixTum because I am usually more interested in the amount of BTC leaving my personal account rather than the exact amount to another my personal account. I think some users will find this MixTum service useful.
I think it's something new, because I honestly can't remember seeing it before. I also think that some users will find something useful in this possibility, although at first it seems that there is not too much difference between classic mix and Precise Payment Mode, but @examplens wrote something about it that could clarify things a little.
In any case, it's good to see something new, which means that "business" is not on autopilot, but that someone is thinking about how to upgrade it.
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I'm not sure if this is a new feature of MixTum, I thought I knew MixTum has supported it for a long time or maybe I've seen this feature on some Mixer services.
It's not a new feature, I remember it from at least a year ago. I don't know when it has been present, Mixtum has existed since 2018 and there have certainly been a lot of upgrades in the meantime.
It certainly makes Mixtum more unique compared to other competing services.
However, Mixtum has the option of free testing https://mixtum.io/?mix=free
It is possible to mix Bitcoin for testing purposes, commission-free, the amount must be exactly 0.001 BTC
Now is a good time for that, because the network fee is also low 8-11 sat/vB
(https://bitcoindata.science/api/bitcoinfees.php?¤cy=USD&hex=000000) (https://bitcoindata.science/bitcointalk-api.html#bitcoin-fees)
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I'm pleased to announce that the first round of MixTum.io's Free Raffle is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join ; and to try to win the $45 prize! Good luck to all of you ;)
[FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $45 in BTC - Round #1 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=321489.msg1560448#msg1560448)
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@paid2, this is another good way for promotion and I hope that we will fill all the slots as soon as possible. I have chosen my number, and now I can only hope that I will be lucky :)
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@paid2, this is another good way for promotion and I hope that we will fill all the slots as soon as possible. I have chosen my number, and now I can only hope that I will be lucky :)
Yeah I'm happy that MixTum is organizing some nice raffles for the community, and as you said, more members will be aware about this great service. Wish you good luck for the draw! :)
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I have never used this feature on MixTum because I am usually more interested in the amount of BTC leaving my personal account rather than the exact amount to another my personal account. I think some users will find this MixTum service useful.
I think it's something new, because I honestly can't remember seeing it before. I also think that some users will find something useful in this possibility, although at first it seems that there is not too much difference between classic mix and Precise Payment Mode, but @examplens wrote something about it that could clarify things a little.
In any case, it's good to see something new, which means that "business" is not on autopilot, but that someone is thinking about how to upgrade it.
Precise payment has always been a feature offered by Jambler and it was available on quite a number of other affiliated mixers before Mixtum added it, apparently.
Maybe there is a feature to turn each mixing mode on and off.
I imagine the partners each get their own control panel which lets them enable and disable other features too.
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Yeah I'm happy that MixTum is organizing some nice raffles for the community, and as you said, more members will be aware about this great service. Wish you good luck for the draw! :)
I hope that 100 numbers will be soon claimed by the AltcoinsTalks forum members and we can proceed to identify the first lucky winner of the MixTum Raffle. I did not participate in the UniJoin Card Raffle because I do not want to reveal my personal address, but I would be happy to participate in the MixTum Raffle to test my luck ^^
In addition to the $45 in BTC prize, I think a few other prizes could be applied, for example 9 other lucky winners will receive a code to reduce the fee when using MixTum, for example reduce from 4-5% + 0.0007 BTC to 1-2% + 0.0007 BTC ^^
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I did not participate in the UniJoin Card Raffle because I do not want to reveal my personal address, but I would be happy to participate in the MixTum Raffle to test my luck ^^
What will you do when Mixtum asks for your information and address so they can send you a check? :o
In addition to the $45 in BTC prize, I think a few other prizes could be applied, for example 9 other lucky winners will receive a code to reduce the fee when using MixTum, for example reduce from 4-5% + 0.0007 BTC to 1-2% + 0.0007 BTC ^^
I am not sure that their platform offers the possibility of using a discount code.
I think there is more room for thinking about the correction of the network fee of 0.0007 (per address), with the new price of Bitcoin it is not negligible, especially when more addresses are used. It would certainly be more attractive for smaller transactions.
However, there are costs (advertising on Altt above others), and it is necessary to earn money for that too.
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For all those who haven't tried the free mix yet and hesitated because of the high fees, now is the right time to do it - because you can do it now for only 8 sat/vB and that's the only thing you'll pay to experience the service. In any case, be sure to send exactly 0.001 BTC satoshi and select Try Now For Free option.
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For all those who haven't tried the free mix yet and hesitated because of the high fees, now is the right time to do it - because you can do it now for only 8 sat/vB and that's the only thing you'll pay to experience the service. In any case, be sure to send exactly 0.001 BTC satoshi and select Try Now For Free option.
I mean, it's technically not free as you are still paying transaction fees off of it ;) but yeah I have no idea how we have managed to get the few down all they way to 8. I have literally never seen anything like this since the Ordinals days. Blocks mined in hyperdrive or something? Or maybe someone's datacenter suddenly came online?
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I mean, it's technically not free as you are still paying transaction fees off of it ;) but yeah I have no idea how we have managed to get the few down all they way to 8. I have literally never seen anything like this since the Ordinals days. Blocks mined in hyperdrive or something? Or maybe someone's datacenter suddenly came online?
I don't think MixTum could have done more to make it more favorable - except maybe they offered to pay a fee for the incoming transaction, which would really be too much :)
I think that the matter with the fees is quite simple, and that the current fees are a very realistic reflection of the actual use of BTC in terms of transactions - regardless of the fact that we have a little less than 200k unconfirmed transactions. As for the number of blocks, it seems to me that there are more than usual if we look at an interval of 1 hour - if I counted correctly, even 7 blocks in the last hour.
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I am not sure that their platform offers the possibility of using a discount code.
I think there is more room for thinking about the correction of the network fee of 0.0007 (per address), with the new price of Bitcoin it is not negligible, especially when more addresses are used. It would certainly be more attractive for smaller transactions.
However, there are costs (advertising on Altt above others), and it is necessary to earn money for that too.
This is just a suggestion for MixTum events by users who always want to save every satoshi. I don't think MixTum can reduce the network fee below 0.0007 BTC because it depends on the state of the Bitcoin blockchain, it would be easier to reduce the profit %.
Anyway, this is just my opinion, I believe the MixTum team has the most wise and appropriate decision for the long-term existence of MixTum. Perhaps this Raffle event has been enough for MixTum to reach more users, generate more revenue and profit!
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Anyway, this is just my opinion, I believe the MixTum team has the most wise and appropriate decision for the long-term existence of MixTum. Perhaps this Raffle event has been enough for MixTum to reach more users, generate more revenue and profit!
Everything that the team behind this project is doing to raise the visibility of the project to a higher level is something that shows seriousness and determination to become the best in what they do. I just hope that he will manage to avoid the fate of the other mixers, that is, that he will learn from their mistakes.
There is certainly no business like this that is resistant to all the challenges it may face, but if you know how big brother works, then you can take appropriate steps to stay at least one step ahead of him.
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Everything that the team behind this project is doing to raise the visibility of the project to a higher level is something that shows seriousness and determination to become the best in what they do. I just hope that he will manage to avoid the fate of the other mixers, that is, that he will learn from their mistakes.
There is certainly no business like this that is resistant to all the challenges it may face, but if you know how big brother works, then you can take appropriate steps to stay at least one step ahead of him.
Honestly, I am more concerned about the existence of Mixers than their profit or popularity. We have a contradiction:
1. Mixers need users to get more revenue and profit, which means Mixers need to reach potential users through advertising.
2. Crypto Mixing is a sensitive area at the moment, so Mixers also do not want to be in the sights of governments.
MixTum has been operating since 2018, the team has had enough time and experience to operate MixTum in the most appropriate and beneficial way for MixTum's future. I think the raffle event on AltcoinsTalks is just a small experiment to help MixTum reach potential users on the AltcoinsTalks forum. I'm really looking forward to the results of Round #1 ^^
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MixTum has been operating since 2018, the team has had enough time and experience to operate MixTum in the most appropriate and beneficial way for MixTum's future. I think the raffle event on AltcoinsTalks is just a small experiment to help MixTum reach potential users on the AltcoinsTalks forum. I'm really looking forward to the results of Round #1 ^^
MixTum (and pretty much every other Jambler partner) have virtually no operating expenses apart from the hosting and DDoS protection.
So they can do pretty much whatever they want with their money and still be in the green.
They seem to have their advertisements on the entire forum anyway, even before the raffle.
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I would like to make a small consideration regarding mixers, if by chance the next elections are won by the Dems we will be at a turning point for the use of mixers
- localbitcoin closed
- localmonero closed
- developers arrested, samurai
- wasabi that removes coinjoin
we are going towards a world against freedom
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I would like to make a small consideration regarding mixers, if by chance the next elections are won by the Dems we will be at a turning point for the use of mixers
- localbitcoin closed
- localmonero closed
- developers arrested, samurai
- wasabi that removes coinjoin
we are going towards a world against freedom
But has Trump said he will support bitcoin if reelected and another thing the cryptocurrency community to consider the charges against him if they will allow him to contest in the election. Because Trump is one of the strongest opposition in the US government. And if Trump contest and win the election as he said most of those things you have listed out might be over look.
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But has Trump said he will support bitcoin if reelected and another thing the cryptocurrency community to consider the charges against him if they will allow him to contest in the election. Because Trump is one of the strongest opposition in the US government. And if Trump contest and win the election as he said most of those things you have listed out might be over look.
Yup, mate, i have read these kinda news that Trump is narrating these days so that he can be elected easily in the coming time as he knows the potential of the crypto-industry and knows how people are bullish on the crypto industry, especially Bitcoin, and these days, big institutions are also getting involved in the crypto. Well, anyway, he also have started a crypto donation campaign so people can donate to his started campaign using bitcoin and other crypto that are allowed to donate.
I am not a resident of the US, but what do you think is this good thing for the crypto industry? that involvement of crypto and bitcoin in politics. As i have seen some cases, those things that get involved in politics have to see bad days in the coming time. Share your point of view over it. Many Thanks!
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I would like to make a small consideration regarding mixers, if by chance the next elections are won by the Dems we will be at a turning point for the use of mixers
- localbitcoin closed
- localmonero closed
- developers arrested, samurai
- wasabi that removes coinjoin
we are going towards a world against freedom
The freedom you're talking about almost doesn't exist anymore, but it's still possible to somewhat protect your privacy if you use Bitcoin, mixers and Tor. Of course, all this does not mean that you can be sure that you will not leave a digital trace anywhere, but it is still far better than not using anything.
Regardless of who will be the next president and what kind of laws he will pass, it is impossible to stop Bitcoin, or turn off all the mixers - so there will always be a way to enjoy a certain amount of freedom.
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I mean, it's technically not free as you are still paying transaction fees off of it ;) but yeah I have no idea how we have managed to get the few down all they way to 8. I have literally never seen anything like this since the Ordinals days. Blocks mined in hyperdrive or something? Or maybe someone's datacenter suddenly came online?
I think that the matter with the fees is quite simple, and that the current fees are a very realistic reflection of the actual use of BTC in terms of transactions - regardless of the fact that we have a little less than 200k unconfirmed transactions. As for the number of blocks, it seems to me that there are more than usual if we look at an interval of 1 hour - if I counted correctly, even 7 blocks in the last hour.
As I keep saying: 1 sat/vB fees will be here in a few weeks or months.
Without ordinals spamming the network, normal Transactions can't keep the fee above 10 sat vB for long.
For all those who haven't tried the free mix yet and hesitated because of the high fees, now is the right time to do it - because you can do it now for only 8 sat/vB and that's the only thing you'll pay to experience the service. In any case, be sure to send exactly 0.001 BTC satoshi and select Try Now For Free option.
Thats a good opportunity
Anyone who uses mixers knows that they can be very expensive when you need to mix a high amount of bitcoins.
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As I keep saying: 1 sat/vB fees will be here in a few weeks or months.
Without ordinals spamming the network, normal Transactions can't keep the fee above 10 sat vB for long.
It will happen, but in longer than a few weeks i believe. If ordinals and runes spammers are out of the network for good, then we are on that path to very low fee rate in the network. So many people have been waiting for fees to fall that low so they can consolidate their accumulated inputs and save on future fees.
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The very appearance of the development and functionality of the project is very beautiful and easy to use. What makes it special the most?
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But has Trump said he will support bitcoin if reelected and another thing the cryptocurrency community to consider the charges against him if they will allow him to contest in the election. Because Trump is one of the strongest opposition in the US government. And if Trump contest and win the election as he said most of those things you have listed out might be over look.
Supporting bitcoin =/= supporting bitcoin mixers.
As I keep saying: 1 sat/vB fees will be here in a few weeks or months.
Without ordinals spamming the network, normal Transactions can't keep the fee above 10 sat vB for long.
It's not Ordinals anymore, but the fact that block generation is slightly slower now. It has created an avalanche effect where transactions are stuck in the mempool without any blocks to take them, and as a result the transactions use higher and higher fees and the average fee goes up. It happened yesterday actually. Fees went up by 5x temporarily before they went back down.
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The freedom you're talking about almost doesn't exist anymore, but it's still possible to somewhat protect your privacy if you use Bitcoin, mixers and Tor. Of course, all this does not mean that you can be sure that you will not leave a digital trace anywhere, but it is still far better than not using anything.
Regardless of who will be the next president and what kind of laws he will pass, it is impossible to stop Bitcoin, or turn off all the mixers - so there will always be a way to enjoy a certain amount of freedom.
you say it doesn't exist? you are very pessimistic
I suggest you read some interviews with Eric Corley aka Emmanuel Goldstein, one of the founders of 2600.
if they approach a war on cyber territory, who do you think will win? Those who make the laws or us who created this world?
I am optimistic, because on the internet and in cyberspace I am God and they play on my field, they cannot win
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you say it doesn't exist? you are very pessimistic
I suggest you read some interviews with Eric Corley aka Emmanuel Goldstein, one of the founders of 2600.
if they approach a war on cyber territory, who do you think will win? Those who make the laws or us who created this world?
I am optimistic, because on the internet and in cyberspace I am God and they play on my field, they cannot win
I think somehow bitcoin is already a huge victory of the cypherpunks over the governments and the financial system.
Satoshi was very wise to be anonymous.
Services like MixTum are also a great victory of privacy too.
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The freedom you're talking about almost doesn't exist anymore, but it's still possible to somewhat protect your privacy if you use Bitcoin, mixers and Tor. Of course, all this does not mean that you can be sure that you will not leave a digital trace anywhere, but it is still far better than not using anything.
Regardless of who will be the next president and what kind of laws he will pass, it is impossible to stop Bitcoin, or turn off all the mixers - so there will always be a way to enjoy a certain amount of freedom.
you say it doesn't exist? you are very pessimistic
I suggest you read some interviews with Eric Corley aka Emmanuel Goldstein, one of the founders of 2600.
if they approach a war on cyber territory, who do you think will win? Those who make the laws or us who created this world?
I am optimistic, because on the internet and in cyberspace I am God and they play on my field, they cannot win
I didn't write that it doesn't exist - but that it almost doesn't exist - I don't know what's not clear?
This freedom can only be realized with the help of what I mentioned, and how many people do you think know how to use Bitcoin, mixers and Tor? I'd say it's less than 5% of the world's total population, and for everyone else, surveillance is absolute - whether it's your browser, smart TV, or CCTV cameras spying on you on every corner and every store.
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For all those who haven't tried the free mix yet and hesitated because of the high fees, now is the right time to do it - because you can do it now for only 8 sat/vB and that's the only thing you'll pay to experience the service. In any case, be sure to send exactly 0.001 BTC satoshi and select Try Now For Free option.
It's a bit low, so now the transaction fee in mixtum is still at that price if I use its function? I only experienced that once and didn't follow it, and recently I thought of learning and practicing the mixing process in bitcoin actually.
And when I watched the Mixtum video tutorial, the explanation was clear on how to send or receive Bitcoin, on other Mixing platforms, because I was still confused, but it's really different here on Mixtum.
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It's a bit low, so now the transaction fee in mixtum is still at that price if I use its function? I only experienced that once and didn't follow it, and recently I thought of learning and practicing the mixing process in bitcoin actually.
And when I watched the Mixtum video tutorial, the explanation was clear on how to send or receive Bitcoin, on other Mixing platforms, because I was still confused, but it's really different here on Mixtum.
Honestly, it's a little confusing what you wanted to explain, but I'll try to answer you.
If you use the free test option on Mixtum, then you can do it without costs to Mixtum or paying any service fee. But the amount you will mix must be exactly 0.001BTC.
As for the mixing process itself, it is almost the same on all mixers and the biggest differences are in the appearance of the interface itself. The choice of mixer that you will use is most influenced by its reputation and reliability, which Mixtum has.
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It's a bit low, so now the transaction fee in mixtum is still at that price if I use its function? I only experienced that once and didn't follow it, and recently I thought of learning and practicing the mixing process in bitcoin actually.
You can use MixTum for commission-free mixing. But take note that you must cover the on-chain fees of depositing your coins for mixing, that's the only fee you'll pay if you decide to use that option, but you must deposit exactly 0.001 BTC.
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As I keep saying: 1 sat/vB fees will be here in a few weeks or months.
Say exact date limit for 1 sat fees and put money on that if you can.
If not, please stop repeating this like a parrot ;)
Without ordinals spamming the network, normal Transactions can't keep the fee above 10 sat vB for long.
They are not spam just because you don't like them.
If there were no ordinals you would call something else a spam, like mixing coins for example, and if lot of people more people would bitcoin that would also be a ''spam'' according to you.
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It's not Ordinals anymore, but the fact that block generation is slightly slower now.
Why is block generation slow, does it in any way mean shortage of miners?
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It's not Ordinals anymore, but the fact that block generation is slightly slower now.
Why is block generation slow, does it in any way mean shortage of miners?
This is a little bit off-topic but it can be due to multiple things, for example a mega farm offline for a while, or just some unlucky serie of blocks. (more than 100% work done/necessary shares submitted per found block).
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It's not Ordinals anymore, but the fact that block generation is slightly slower now. It has created an avalanche effect where transactions are stuck in the mempool without any blocks to take them, and as a result the transactions use higher and higher fees and the average fee goes up. It happened yesterday actually. Fees went up by 5x temporarily before they went back down.
Yes this days the transaction is somehow high. I yesterday I made a transaction of 0.0034 and the sat was 21 sat/vb with $5.68 transaction fee. And that is high. But I have not checked the mempool today because as of yesterday the movement was in between 21 to 18 sats.
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It's not Ordinals anymore, but the fact that block generation is slightly slower now.
Why is block generation slow, does it in any way mean shortage of miners?
Block generation isn't slower. Just look at mempool.space.
Actually, we are little ahead of 10min per block. Difficult will increase.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/06/05/cnAiw.png)
https://mempool.space
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I think somehow bitcoin is already a huge victory of the cypherpunks over the governments and the financial system.
Satoshi was very wise to be anonymous.
Services like MixTum are also a great victory of privacy too.
Satoshi's original goal in creating Bitcoin was to introduce a decentralized currency that belongs to everyone and is not controlled by governments. Unfortunately, BTC has not yet become a popular currency, BTC only exists as an investment or reserve asset and is being developed in the direction of prioritizing acceptance over privacy protection.
Perhaps governments understand this, so they are constantly trying to strip users of their privacy in various ways, including proposals related to banning or punishing Mixers. I hope that these hasty proposals will not be passed and Mixers can continue to serve the anonymity needs of users.
We have to accept that we are still coexisting with CeFi and accept the risks from CeFi when we sell BTC for fiat into our bank accounts. We are creating many exploitable weaknesses and putting our assets at risk of being frozen at any time, by an unreasonable law. I understand that but I am also just an investor, I need fiat to pay the bills. At least at this point, MixTum is still a reliable option for me to use to protect myself 8)
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At least at this point, MixTum is still a reliable option for me to use to protect myself 8)
Yeah it is, and i hope it continues that way for a very long time, regardless of the incessant attacks by the government against privacy solutions. Mixers are very important to bitcoiners who want to maintain their privacy and i hope we would always be able to use services like MixTum and other legitimate services too.
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Yeah it is, and i hope it continues that way for a very long time, regardless of the incessant attacks by the government against privacy solutions. Mixers are very important to bitcoiners who want to maintain their privacy and i hope we would always be able to use services like MixTum and other legitimate services too.
I am not afraid of government intervention because in my country, crypto is still in a gray area and crypto is not yet regulated. Investors do not need to pay crypto taxes and are also not protected in the crypto market. The government does not touch me, but large CEXs such as Binance, KuCoin and GateIO can freeze my account if they find out I have deposited "dirty" coins. As I have mentioned many times, I am worried about this risk so I have chosen MixTum to protect my account and balance.
So, even though there is not a big need for anonymity, I will still protect the right to exist of Mixers in the crypto market, they will be our last refuge when we want to protect our identity in the future. At the same time, we still do not have more information on how the government can detect accounts related to Mixers, this is just our early concern and anxiety to prepare for the worst possible cases.
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At least at this point, MixTum is still a reliable option for me to use to protect myself 8)
Yeah it is, and i hope it continues that way for a very long time, regardless of the incessant attacks by the government against privacy solutions. Mixers are very important to bitcoiners who want to maintain their privacy and i hope we would always be able to use services like MixTum and other legitimate services too.
Let's be realistic, all the mixers that "failed" had major security flaws that led to the fact that they could be prevented from continuing to operate in such a way that they were seized and some of their owners were arrested. MixTum simply had to learn something from all that and prevent it from happening to them too.
Honestly, I'm more interested in what the forum administration will do if they receive an official request to remove mixers from the forum?
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At least at this point, MixTum is still a reliable option for me to use to protect myself 8)
Yeah it is, and i hope it continues that way for a very long time, regardless of the incessant attacks by the government against privacy solutions. Mixers are very important to bitcoiners who want to maintain their privacy and i hope we would always be able to use services like MixTum and other legitimate services too.
Let's be realistic, all the mixers that "failed" had major security flaws that led to the fact that they could be prevented from continuing to operate in such a way that they were seized and some of their owners were arrested. MixTum simply had to learn something from all that and prevent it from happening to them too.
Honestly, I'm more interested in what the forum administration will do if they receive an official request to remove mixers from the forum?
I thought he reason why everyone came here in the first place was for the mixers? ;)
OK but seriously youth, there is not just security involved here as in computer security, there is also opsec. Chipmixer went down because they guy running it stole some IDs in order to buy servers, when that absolutely was not necessary in the age of bulletproof server hosts. Samourai made one bad tweet. So it really comes down to not doing anything stupid and things will be fine.
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Honestly, I'm more interested in what the forum administration will do if they receive an official request to remove mixers from the forum?
The admin in the other forum didn't receive any official request to remove mixers before they did, and the presence of mixers was far higher there than what we have here, so in my honest opinion i don't think this will happen.
However, if we hypothetically agree that it happens, then mixers will have limited places to advertise their business, and newbies will likely fall for scam mixers easier.
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Honestly, I'm more interested in what the forum administration will do if they receive an official request to remove mixers from the forum?
I doubt that will happen. Even btt forum, where the presence of mixers was much larger, did not receive an official order. I think such forums simply do not focus the attention of institutions that ban mixers. Most likely, a ban on mixers on this forum may happen if the administrators decide preventively to play it safe themselves. But I don’t think this will happen, because the arrival of mixers has significantly increased the traffic and attendance of this forum.
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many mixers allow you to create a sort of personal frontend, for those who want and have the ability to do so, through the REST APIs
I saw that mixtum does not have any set of APIs to call, this made me a little sad
is it in the roadmap to create a REST API service or had it never been requested. mentioned?
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I thought he reason why everyone came here in the first place was for the mixers? ;)
OK but seriously youth, there is not just security involved here as in computer security, there is also opsec. Chipmixer went down because they guy running it stole some IDs in order to buy servers, when that absolutely was not necessary in the age of bulletproof server hosts. Samourai made one bad tweet. So it really comes down to not doing anything stupid and things will be fine.
We can say that there is some truth in that, but I think that those who go against the mixer are very powerful in the sense that they have the resources that allow them to detect whatever they want - the only question is how much time they need to do it. Of course, it is much easier for them when someone exposes himself, but that does not mean that they do not use other methods.
The admin in the other forum didn't receive any official request to remove mixers before they did...
I doubt that will happen. Even btt forum, where the presence of mixers was much larger, did not receive an official order.
It is possible that this did not happen, but who says that this is the absolute truth? CM was the main target and BTT was his main platform for advertising, and when they finally took over the CM, it was a much stronger message than any official order.
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The admin in the other forum didn't receive any official request to remove mixers before they did...
I doubt that will happen. Even btt forum, where the presence of mixers was much larger, did not receive an official order.
It is possible that this did not happen, but who says that this is the absolute truth? CM was the main target and BTT was his main platform for advertising, and when they finally took over the CM, it was a much stronger message than any official order.
theymos stated at some point that there were no investigative requests regarding any mixer. It is probably true, although even if there was a request from the authorities, there are many reasons for it to remain out of the public eye.
We also have an example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg63681724#msg63681724) where a certain Allen from the IRS demanded from the eXch exchange not to make statements publicly and to avoid communication via the forum.
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Chipmixer went down because they guy running it stole some IDs in order to buy servers, when that absolutely was not necessary in the age of bulletproof server hosts. Samourai made one bad tweet. So it really comes down to not doing anything stupid and things will be fine.
This is official story for Chipmixer but I seriously doubt that accused guy was the real owner of Chipmixer and they never arrested him.
I am sure that Samourai developers were not arrested because of one tweet, they monitored and tracked them for very long time, that is why we saw such coordinated attack on them.
When someone is printing infinite money than they have infinite resources to track and arrest any people they want, but I am not worried about altcoinstalks forum.
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Chipmixer went down because they guy running it stole some IDs in order to buy servers, when that absolutely was not necessary in the age of bulletproof server hosts. Samourai made one bad tweet. So it really comes down to not doing anything stupid and things will be fine.
This is official story for Chipmixer but I seriously doubt that accused guy was the real owner of Chipmixer and they never arrested him.
I am sure that Samourai developers were not arrested because of one tweet, they monitored and tracked them for very long time, that is why we saw such coordinated attack on them.
When someone is printing infinite money than they have infinite resources to track and arrest any people they want, but I am not worried about altcoinstalks forum.
The reason government gives is just absurd, they don't want people to have decentralised monetary system so they are going after it one by one, I am sure they will come at the forum but that might not be on their priority for now cause crypto headed far away from crypto forum, it's now everywhere in the social media so they need to censor them because social media crap reaches people in no time.
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The reason government gives is just absurd, they don't want people to have decentralised monetary system so they are going after it one by one, I am sure they will come at the forum but that might not be on their priority for now
The problem for the government is not decentralized money, i.e. they are not really after BTC in itself, which is the only truly decentralized money. What they are after is privacy solutions, they don't want people to use BTC privately, they want to be able to track your coins easily, but privacy tools make it difficult for them, and so their goal is to make it hard for them to operate.
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The problem for the government is not decentralized money, i.e. they are not really after BTC in itself, which is the only truly decentralized money. What they are after is privacy solutions, they don't want people to use BTC privately, they want to be able to track your coins easily, but privacy tools make it difficult for them, and so their goal is to make it hard for them to operate.
Privacy is really a matter for governments, however, there are ways to track and establish who owns the wallet. But they don't stop there. They want not only the identity of the owner, but also all transactions to be transparent, and they also want, in my opinion, to establish control over transactions and block them if they don’t like something.
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The reason government gives is just absurd, they don't want people to have decentralised monetary system so they are going after it one by one, I am sure they will come at the forum but that might not be on their priority for now cause crypto headed far away from crypto forum, it's now everywhere in the social media so they need to censor them because social media crap reaches people in no time.
obviously the reaction is absurd and exaggerated.. they want only them to be able to escape the clutches of the tax system they created
remember the Panama papers, now it seems all forgotten, but I do not forget.. we have discovered how they launder and how they evade the taxes they themselves created
now that we can make sure that no one seizes our money, they get angry.. obviously
looool
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theymos stated at some point that there were no investigative requests regarding any mixer. It is probably true, although even if there was a request from the authorities, there are many reasons for it to remain out of the public eye.
We also have an example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg63681724#msg63681724) where a certain Allen from the IRS demanded from the eXch exchange not to make statements publicly and to avoid communication via the forum.
A very good example that just shows how the system works - and that just means that there are a lot of things going on in the background that we "regular" users know nothing about, except when someone wants to be completely transparent. My opinion is that when it comes to BTT and mixers, there is much more to it than has been publicly communicated, but that is perhaps less important considering that the whole story would have ended the same anyway.
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The problem for the government is not decentralized money, i.e. they are not really after BTC in itself, which is the only truly decentralized money. What they are after is privacy solutions, they don't want people to use BTC privately, they want to be able to track your coins easily, but privacy tools make it difficult for them, and so their goal is to make it hard for them to operate.
I agree, and they even prefer to have something like Bitcoin with everything being transparent on blockchain.
All they can do is to try and ban privacy tools like mixers, and say that only terrorists, hackers and criminals are using them, and that is not true.
If they are going to ban stuff that criminals use than they should ban everything (if they can), but let them start from corrupt politicians in government and their families.
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I agree, and they even prefer to have something like Bitcoin with everything being transparent on blockchain.
All they can do is to try and ban privacy tools like mixers, and say that only terrorists, hackers and criminals are using them, and that is not true.
If they are going to ban stuff that criminals use than they should ban everything (if they can), but let them start from corrupt politicians in government and their families.
Well, we can sympathize with governments because fiat currency is still the best option they have to manage the economy. Crypto can be very good in fighting inflation but implementing crypto on a national scale can come with many risks and governments are not yet ready to experiment. I don't think the government wants to track everything, they're just looking for ways to attribute negative and dangerous characteristics to crypto, especially BTC, such as being widely used for money laundering purposes. Mixers are just one target they are aiming at, they don't want to make transaction data transparent, they just want people to have a negative attitude towards BTC.
From a positive perspective, I also hope that the government will find a way to manage the crypto market, thereby helping crypto to become more widely accepted, mature, and Mixers will be allowed to operate legally when they can support governments in preventing money laundering. That's just my expectation, I don't have any feasible solutions for this yet.
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Well, we can sympathize with governments because fiat currency is still the best option they have to manage the economy. Crypto can be very good in fighting inflation but implementing crypto on a national scale can come with many risks and governments are not yet ready to experiment. I don't think the government wants to track everything, they're just looking for ways to attribute negative and dangerous characteristics to crypto, especially BTC, such as being widely used for money laundering purposes. Mixers are just one target they are aiming at, they don't want to make transaction data transparent, they just want people to have a negative attitude towards BTC.
From a positive perspective, I also hope that the government will find a way to manage the crypto market, thereby helping crypto to become more widely accepted, mature, and Mixers will be allowed to operate legally when they can support governments in preventing money laundering. That's just my expectation, I don't have any feasible solutions for this yet.
a government, whatever it is, cannot have sympathy for cryptocurrencies
and I'll also explain why, if you don't own the currency you can't play the economic games that allow you (see USA) to print money as and when you like, and temporarily creating opportunities (for example financing wars)
these games then pay in the long run and the people pay for them with a loss of economic power
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Crypto can be very good in fighting inflation but implementing crypto on a national scale can come with many risks and governments are not yet ready to experiment.
Nobody is talking about this, we are not discussing about crypto replacing fiat, but rather the governments attack on BTC privacy solutions.
From a positive perspective, I also hope that the government will find a way to manage the crypto market, thereby helping crypto to become more widely accepted, mature, and Mixers will be allowed to operate legally when they can support governments in preventing money laundering.
We don't need the government to 'manage' a decentralized network like BTC, that is simply not possible. Take note as well that if the government and mixers work together, that would defeat the purpose as to why people use mixers. Mixers aren't supposed to look into the history of your utxo or its origin for money laundering traces, nor to provide selective privacy, and so what you propose would never happen.
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Well, we can sympathize with governments because fiat currency is still the best option they have to manage the economy. Crypto can be very good in fighting inflation but implementing crypto on a national scale can come with many risks and governments are not yet ready to experiment.
But they are ready to experiment with CBDC crap and medical experiments ::)
They are creating inflation so they dare not going to fight against it.
I don't think the government wants to track everything
You must be blind for saying this, or you live in some parallel universe.
Look around and you will see they are already tracking most they can and they are always increasing citizen surveillance.
Mixers will be allowed to operate legally when they can support governments in preventing money laundering.
You are delusional and this is never going to happen, but keep on dreaming fantasy.
Mixers are never going to be accepted by government for obvious reasons, except in case if they run and control it, and that is worse.
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a government, whatever it is, cannot have sympathy for cryptocurrencies
and I'll also explain why, if you don't own the currency you can't play the economic games that allow you (see USA) to print money as and when you like, and temporarily creating opportunities (for example financing wars)
these games then pay in the long run and the people pay for them with a loss of economic power
Yeah, we all understand this. Governments want the economy to develop in the best, safest, and most beneficial way for everyone, so they will continue to use fiat as an effective and simple tool. Of course, we all know that governments are not succeeding in that goal, waste and inefficiency of public investment + corruption + power struggles are making the economy worse, inflation is rising rapidly and is beyond the control of governments. Even the US government has a huge debt of over $30T, their interest payments are even bigger than their military spending. We are seeing unsustainable economic development globally, I believe governments also realize this but they have not yet found an effective solution. They are still on the side of fiat and looking for ways to attack the crypto market through proposals related to Mixers.
There are many conspiracy theories out there, but I think we should focus on solutions. We think that BTC and crypto were the solution because they were not controlled by governments, but I still can't imagine a world after BTC is used to replace fiat globally. Will there be any difference from the gold standard period? I'm not sure about anything, for me crypto is still just an experiment and Mixers are an important part of that experiment: it protects anonymity but is also a target for government attacks.
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a government, whatever it is, cannot have sympathy for cryptocurrencies
and I'll also explain why, if you don't own the currency you can't play the economic games that allow you (see USA) to print money as and when you like, and temporarily creating opportunities (for example financing wars)
these games then pay in the long run and the people pay for them with a loss of economic power
Yeah, we all understand this. Governments want the economy to develop in the best, safest, and most beneficial way for everyone, so they will continue to use fiat as an effective and simple tool. Of course, we all know that governments are not succeeding in that goal, waste and inefficiency of public investment + corruption + power struggles are making the economy worse, inflation is rising rapidly and is beyond the control of governments. Even the US government has a huge debt of over $30T, their interest payments are even bigger than their military spending. We are seeing unsustainable economic development globally, I believe governments also realize this but they have not yet found an effective solution. They are still on the side of fiat and looking for ways to attack the crypto market through proposals related to Mixers.
There are many conspiracy theories out there, but I think we should focus on solutions. We think that BTC and crypto were the solution because they were not controlled by governments, but I still can't imagine a world after BTC is used to replace fiat globally. Will there be any difference from the gold standard period? I'm not sure about anything, for me crypto is still just an experiment and Mixers are an important part of that experiment: it protects anonymity but is also a target for government attacks.
Government doesn't give anything about the decline in the economy, they just want to hold the authority and especially when it comes to money cause that's the root cause of everything so they see BTC and the decentralisation is against their policy or they have been manipulated by their rich friends who uses the political leaders as puppet doesn't want decentralisation so they are throwing everything to make it bad from the majority even if it requires lying and that's what they have been telling this all the times, crypto is used for laundering.
Which is partly true because there are reports that cryptos isn't even used 5% by the launderes so it means they should go after fiat and banking to restrict the 95% laundering but why they are just focusing on the 5% and imposing too much restrictions raise suspicion.
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Government doesn't give anything about the decline in the economy, they just want to hold the authority and especially when it comes to money cause that's the root cause of everything so they see BTC and the decentralisation is against their policy or they have been manipulated by their rich friends who uses the political leaders as puppet doesn't want decentralisation so they are throwing everything to make it bad from the majority even if it requires lying and that's what they have been telling this all the times, crypto is used for laundering.
Which is partly true because there are reports that cryptos isn't even used 5% by the launderes so it means they should go after fiat and banking to restrict the 95% laundering but why they are just focusing on the 5% and imposing too much restrictions raise suspicion.
They focus on cryptocurrencies because they need to find a scapegoat to blame for everything bad, be it terrorism, money laundering and the like. They cannot devote their strength to fighting against what is actually used for these purposes, namely cash fiat, because they themselves use such methods, and it is simply unprofitable for them. And by pursuing cryptocurrency, they can also squeeze it out of the owners, so in any case they end up winning.
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This discussion has gone too wide, considering that it is an announcement thread of the Mixtum service :)
Interesting fact.
I found this first Mixtum post on Reddit, back on August 26, 2018, is that the day they started? A day later (August 27) they also opened a thread on Btt. Are we having our sixth anniversary soon?
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Interesting fact.
I found this first Mixtum post on Reddit, back on August 26, 2018, is that the day they started? A day later (August 27) they also opened a thread on Btt. Are we having our sixth anniversary soon?
It seems so, the years pass very quickly and before you turn around, you already have a business that has gained the reputation of one of the longest-running mixers in history. I hope that they will be able to celebrate their tenth anniversary as well, which would really be a great success.
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It seems so, the years pass very quickly and before you turn around, you already have a business that has gained the reputation of one of the longest-running mixers in history. I hope that they will be able to celebrate their tenth anniversary as well, which would really be a great success.
ten years of life for a mixer is as long as a century, who knows, maybe we'll all see it together :)
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thank you so much, a very nice thing that adds playfulness to the forum
because I'm so engaged with these things, I studied team building well in depth, and to build a team or a community it is necessary to try to unite, perhaps with the game (I studied with Lego) people
it works
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The second round of MixTum.io's Free Raffles is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join ; and to try to win the $45 prize! Good luck to all of you ;)
I was unable to join round 1, but i have joined in round 2. Great thing that round 1 was a success and congratulations to the winner. Thank you to MixTum for organizing these free raffles for the community. Goodluck to everyone who joins.
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The second round of MixTum.io's Free Raffles is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join ; and to try to win the $45 prize! Good luck to all of you ;)
I was unable to join round 1, but i have joined in round 2. Great thing that round 1 was a success and congratulations to the winner. Thank you to MixTum for organizing these free raffles for the community. Goodluck to everyone who joins.
as I said it is very important to participate
1 - sponsors see that the forum is alive, and this gives a huge hand to managers
2 - by participating we don't play together we get to know each other, laugh, joke and create community
these two things do a lot of team building and are good for the forum
so participate, everyone!! we have to finish the raffle spots in 3 days
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so participate, everyone!! we have to finish the raffle spots in 3 days
I believe that is more than possible. After all, participation is free and everyone can try their luck. It is great that MixTum organise such ruffles, it is fun for everyone and it motivates to learn more about the mixer itself. I am certain that MixTum team is very active and they contribute not only to their project, but to the forum and forum community, development of which is of a high importance.
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so participate, everyone!! we have to finish the raffle spots in 3 days
I believe that is more than possible. After all, participation is free and everyone can try their luck. It is great that MixTum organise such ruffles, it is fun for everyone and it motivates to learn more about the mixer itself. I am certain that MixTum team is very active and they contribute not only to their project, but to the forum and forum community, development of which is of a high importance.
but it is useful for mixtum, I mean yes they need to advertise
but it is also useful to make people understand that the forum is alive and well and there are many people who participate
for this reason "I was happy" if the posts ran out immediately
it means the forum is frequented and alive
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ten years of life for a mixer is as long as a century, who knows, maybe we'll all see it together :)
Especially when we know that Bitcoin itself exist only since year 2009.
Soon after people who used bitcoin realized they need something to improve privacy with transactions.
There is some value in blockchain being transparent, but there is also danger of total tracking and surveillance of everything.
I asked Brave AI to tell me more about Mixtum and this is reply I received:
Mixtum is a popular Bitcoin mixer that has been operational since 2013. It offers a safe and secure way to mix Bitcoins, making it difficult to trace the origin of the coins. Here are some key features and benefits of using Mixtum:
Key Features:
No registration or logs required: Your personal information will never be stored or shared.
24/7 availability: You can always access your funds, even if the site is down for maintenance.
Letters of guarantee: You can be sure that your transactions will be processed as promised.
Flexible mixing settings: Mixtum offers a range of mixing settings to suit your needs.
How it works:
Mixtum creates a temporary “pool” of Bitcoins, into which you and other users deposit their coins.
Once the pool has a certain amount of coins, it mixes them up and distributes them back to the users, minus a small fee.
This makes it difficult for someone to track where any particular Bitcoin came from, since they would have to track all the coins in the pool back to their original owners.
Benefits:
Anonymity: Mixtum helps you keep your Bitcoins anonymous by mixing them with other users’ coins.
Security: Mixtum’s system ensures that your coins are secure and difficult to trace.
Flexibility: Mixtum offers a range of mixing settings to suit your needs.
Fees:
The mixing and service fee of Mixtum is 4-5% + 0.0007 BTC.
Conclusion:
Mixtum is a reliable and anonymous Bitcoin mixer that offers a range of features and benefits. With its flexible mixing settings, 24/7 availability, and secure system, Mixtum is a great choice for those looking to keep their Bitcoins private and secure.
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I asked Brave AI to tell me more about Mixtum and this is reply I received:
How it works:
Mixtum creates a temporary “pool” of Bitcoins, into which you and other users deposit their coins.
Once the pool has a certain amount of coins, it mixes them up and distributes them back to the users, minus a small fee.
This makes it difficult for someone to track where any particular Bitcoin came from, since they would have to track all the coins in the pool back to their original owners.
This is obvious that the AI (Brave, ChatGPT or any other) does not provide adequate information.
Mixtum is still Jambler's partner, Bitcoin pool creation if we can call it that, is Jambler's concern.
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They focus on cryptocurrencies because they need to find a scapegoat to blame for everything bad, be it terrorism, money laundering and the like. They cannot devote their strength to fighting against what is actually used for these purposes, namely cash fiat, because they themselves use such methods, and it is simply unprofitable for them. And by pursuing cryptocurrency, they can also squeeze it out of the owners, so in any case they end up winning.
Yeah, fiat is their favorite tool so they cannot ban fiat or impose many fiat-related bans because this is impossible. Meanwhile, crypto is still a new asset, people's understanding of crypto is limited and crypto is a perfect target for blame. The same thing happened in Nigeria when their local currency depreciated too quickly, or BTC is often criticized for its energy consumption even though the BTC mining industry was very "green".
Perhaps things will only change when anti-crypto lawmakers have to leave politics and we have new governments that are more knowledgeable and friendly to crypto. In the context of large investment funds accepting BTC, many companies are holding BTC and people are loving BTC, I believe that we will soon see our expectations come true.
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Perhaps things will only change when anti-crypto lawmakers have to leave politics and we have new governments that are more knowledgeable and friendly to crypto. In the context of large investment funds accepting BTC, many companies are holding BTC and people are loving BTC, I believe that we will soon see our expectations come true.
Oh, that isn't happening any time soon. In fact, the new crop of lawmakers seems to be more hostile to crypto, as more of them are introduced to CDBCs and their perceived "advantages" to governments.
So as more governments make CDBCs, more of them will give out warnings about Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies and even ban them to eliminate competition.
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This is obvious that the AI (Brave, ChatGPT or any other) does not provide adequate information.
Mixtum is still Jambler's partner, Bitcoin pool creation if we can call it that, is Jambler's concern.
Yeah, I don't know where ''they'' dig up that information about Mixtum, but this is another good example why we should not blindly trust anything coming from any AI.
I am just waiting to see more of this stupid-AI generated posts like this in forums :P
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This is obvious that the AI (Brave, ChatGPT or any other) does not provide adequate information.
Mixtum is still Jambler's partner, Bitcoin pool creation if we can call it that, is Jambler's concern.
Yeah, I don't know where ''they'' dig up that information about Mixtum, but this is another good example why we should not blindly trust anything coming from any AI.
I am just waiting to see more of this stupid-AI generated posts like this in forums :P
better that they know very little
let's say the problem with AI is how it will be used, feeding it data that we previously had and didn't know how to manage (I'm talking about big data) now we are able to process it and understand what's inside
danger yes but
all this costs computationally, ergo it costs energy ergo it costs money
so we are in danger, I don't think so but it's better to avoid leaving information around
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it's better to avoid leaving information around
Of course, it is. Disclosure of personal information can play a cruel joke on you. So it’s better not to do this, especially since there are tools to avoid this. You just need to learn how to use them and always keep an eye your own safety.
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Does anyone know what this means and how to vote? I recently noticed that the Mixtum campaign thread has this label.
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Does anyone know what this means and how to vote? I recently noticed that the Mixtum campaign thread has this label.
Some users can vote for the services IIRC : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=rating (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=rating)
For example I noticed that eXch as 4 stars too, wondering what are the criterias
I asked admin who is able to vote, hopefully he will share some dedicated topic to the matter, I will edit this post once he replied
Edit : "senior and above" can vote apparently, but I still don't find how to vote
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Edit : "senior and above" can vote apparently, but I still don't find how to vote
Same here, I don’t know how to vote and I have never seen any tab/option to vote.
I have seen it in both investigations threads and signature campaign threads (recently), I thought it was something that was done or decided by moderators alone (thus the reason I never bothered to ask about them).
Edit:
I just went over to the thread and I found out that the ratings have changed; unlike the one in Icopress’ image mine is showing just 2 stars ratings.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/wikileaks-assange-expected-plead-guilty-us-espionage-charge-document-says-2024-06-24/
I know apparently it has nothing to do with a mixer, but it does have something to do with it
finally Julian Assange is a free man
the United States has accepted the proposal of 5 years, already served
so by persevering we can demonstrate that privacy is an inalienable right
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Does anyone know what this means and how to vote? I recently noticed that the Mixtum campaign thread has this label.
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Last information I heard is that only moderators and admin can vote on some topics with stars.
To me this doesn't make much sense if it is not available for more members, maybe they can only include legendary and other top forum ranks for start.
It is best if you can contact admin and ask him about this.
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Last information I heard is that only moderators and admin can vote on some topics with stars.
To me this doesn't make much sense if it is not available for more members, maybe they can only include legendary and other top forum ranks for start.
It is best if you can contact admin and ask him about this.
Not all topics are voted on, I think only some topics are chosen by forum members such as admin, President, Vice and Mods for voting. Votes can indicate whether a topic is really valuable to the community, the number of stars is as important as the number of views and replies when members see the topic and want to interact with the topic through replies.
I think this feature is quite interesting, but the summary table shows that not many members interact with Vote. Hope Vote will show its value and be interested and used effectively by forum members. As a MixTum supporter, I gave MixTum Sig campaign 5 stars, surprisingly I don't see the average vote result @@
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Does anyone know what this means and how to vote? I recently noticed that the Mixtum campaign thread has this label.
(https://i.ibb.co/tmKXSn4/image.png)
Last information I heard is that only moderators and admin can vote on some topics with stars.
To me this doesn't make much sense if it is not available for more members, maybe they can only include legendary and other top forum ranks for start.
It is best if you can contact admin and ask him about this.
I saw that there are votes for some threads
but I couldn't find how to do it, even as a moderator of the Italian section I'm not allowed to vote
it would be nice if the vote was given by the users, it would be plausible if we want
I don't know how useful it is honestly
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I started a discussion about this forum feature to avoid future derail Mixtum thread https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322384.msg1577732#msg1577732
Also asked from admin to clarify things about the star rating, I hope we can get some explanations.
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Last information I heard is that only moderators and admin can vote on some topics with stars.
To me this doesn't make much sense if it is not available for more members, maybe they can only include legendary and other top forum ranks for start.
It is best if you can contact admin and ask him about this.
I believe it makes sense, because moderators and admin thus demonstrate other users which services could be trusted and they approve them to be presented on this forum. MixTum is definitely of a high trust, this voting confirms it as well. I think that forum members can regard this as another confirmation of reliability, because the admin and moderators gave a high rating, and their opinion is trustworthy.
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I believe it makes sense, because moderators and admin thus demonstrate other users which services could be trusted and they approve them to be presented on this forum. MixTum is definitely of a high trust, this voting confirms it as well. I think that forum members can regard this as another confirmation of reliability, because the admin and moderators gave a high rating, and their opinion is trustworthy.
Considering who can vote, there shouldn't be a problem with the abuse of this feature, but I don't think it's too important considering that certain services build their reputation best over the years. I would use some services even if someone rated them with one star, because I know that is not a realistic rating.
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I believe it makes sense, because moderators and admin thus demonstrate other users which services could be trusted and they approve them to be presented on this forum. MixTum is definitely of a high trust, this voting confirms it as well. I think that forum members can regard this as another confirmation of reliability, because the admin and moderators gave a high rating, and their opinion is trustworthy.
Considering who can vote, there shouldn't be a problem with the abuse of this feature, but I don't think it's too important considering that certain services build their reputation best over the years. I would use some services even if someone rated them with one star, because I know that is not a realistic rating.
Yes, I agree. One`s own experience with some service is undoubtedly of no less importance then the rating created by other users. After all, everyone has his own criteria of evaluation and by actual usage of some product you can better conclude about its features and reliability.
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the voting situation in the USA will certainly also affect our world and the crypto world
It pains me to say it but at this point the best candidate for us is Donald who, in addition to promising nice things (which he won't keep), at least doesn't rage against those who hold cryptocurrencies as that elderly Biden would like
Biden doesn't even know how to speak anymore, he lost a lot of votes after his speech
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The third round of MixTum.io's Free Raffles is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join to try to win the $52 prize! Good luck ;)
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the voting situation in the USA will certainly also affect our world and the crypto world
~snip~
Without going too far into the OT, I agree that the result of the election may have an impact on the geopolitical situation in the world, but in the context of cryptocurrencies and concrete mixers, I don't think that anything important will change regardless of who becomes president.
Bitcoin as a currency and mixers as a tool to achieve greater privacy will be on the black list of every politician who will be at the head of that country. As I always say, politicians change, but general policies mostly remain the same.
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the voting situation in the USA will certainly also affect our world and the crypto world
Very big thing that happens in USA influences the whole world...
It pains me to say it but at this point the best candidate for us is Donald who, in addition to promising nice things (which he won't keep), at least doesn't rage against those who hold cryptocurrencies as that elderly Biden would like
I hope Biden will drop off and we will see a better candidate. 300 million people, and they choose these 2? WTF!
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I hope Biden will drop off and we will see a better candidate. 300 million people, and they choose these 2? WTF!
It only means that one puppet will get replaced with another puppet, and people have to de divided and distracted all the time.
This won't have any real affect on bitcoin, privacy, world peace, or anything else.
Now let's get back to Mixtum topic guys, don't forget to join the new raffle :)
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322496
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The third round of MixTum.io's Free Raffles is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join to try to win the $52 prize! Good luck ;)
[FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $52 in BTC - Round #3 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322496.msg1580403#msg1580403)
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That’s great news! I am really amazed, that such raffles are launched and that MixTum makes it possible for forum users to win by just guessing. There are even no unfulfilled conditions, you can just try your luck and win, you don’t lose anything. Many thanks to the team.
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Last information I heard is that only moderators and admin can vote on some topics with stars.
To me this doesn't make much sense if it is not available for more members, maybe they can only include legendary and other top forum ranks for start.
It is best if you can contact admin and ask him about this.
I believe it makes sense, because moderators and admin thus demonstrate other users which services could be trusted and they approve them to be presented on this forum. MixTum is definitely of a high trust, this voting confirms it as well. I think that forum members can regard this as another confirmation of reliability, because the admin and moderators gave a high rating, and their opinion is trustworthy.
As long as services are concerned, time will always tell, so regardless of how the voting system is designed it will still ball down to various teams with their own determination to build a well structured service that can easily attract trust and build reputations over time, so even if a services received a low voting rate at the beginning, but if their continued with space of time, such low voting number can be changed and more positivity and communities trust will result in high votes.
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... so even if a services received a low voting rate at the beginning, but if their continued with space of time, such low voting number can be changed and more positivity and communities trust will result in high votes.
Of course, it can be like that. However, low ratings often hit the service hardly, especially at the start, because there are few feedbacks to compare with. And new users can be scared off by such bad votes. That is why, in my opinion, new young services have to put lots of efforts in building up their reputation from the very beginning.
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Of course, it can be like that. However, low ratings often hit the service hardly, especially at the start, because there are few feedbacks to compare with. And new users can be scared off by such bad votes. That is why, in my opinion, new young services have to put lots of efforts in building up their reputation from the very beginning.
Honestly speaking, I don't think the rating on AltcoinsTalks has any negative impact on the future or development of the MixTum service. It is just a reference parameter for forum members, and their decision is based on what they read in this topic or reviews about MixTum.
MixTum has been providing BTC mixing services since 2018 and continues to gain user trust. This "proof of credibility" is more important than any subjective evaluation. Of course, it would be great if MixTum had a 5-star rating to easily compete with other crypto mixers being promoted on AltcoinsTalks.
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Honestly speaking, I don't think the rating on AltcoinsTalks has any negative impact on the future or development of the MixTum service. It is just a reference parameter for forum members, and their decision is based on what they read in this topic or reviews about MixTum.
MixTum has been providing BTC mixing services since 2018 and continues to gain user trust. This "proof of credibility" is more important than any subjective evaluation. Of course, it would be great if MixTum had a 5-star rating to easily compete with other crypto mixers being promoted on AltcoinsTalks.
I guess there should be no problems unless someone rates it one star ;)
Now that I think about it, the rating system could use an overhaul - instead of 1 to 5 starts, since it seems very clear that everyone is either giving a positive or a negative opinion of the service, just replace it with a thumbs up - thumbs down.
But this is Simple Machines Forum and I'm not sure if it supports such a thing besides karma.
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MixTum has been providing BTC mixing services since 2018 and continues to gain user trust. This "proof of credibility" is more important than any subjective evaluation. Of course, it would be great if MixTum had a 5-star rating to easily compete with other crypto mixers being promoted on AltcoinsTalks.
Yes, but this "proof of credibility" is also based on someone`s subjective evaluation after using the service. Same as it could be on this voting. I think that a service that values its reputation, like MixTum, appreciates any positive feedback, no matter where it is left. Moreover, the forum is a platform for their advertising and a positive image is very important for them within this audience.
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47, 49, 53, 54, 57, 58, 61, 62, 69, 72, 83, 93 it can be filled by 6 members.
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There are still a few free slots in [FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $52 in BTC - Round #3 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322496.0) let's fill up the free slots and move on to #4 round :D
47, 49, 53, 54, 57, 58, 61, 62, 69, 72, 83, 93 it can be filled by 6 members.
thank you dear examplens, very useful information.. I immediately went to choose my points and reported the matter to my Italian friends in order to complete and go further
Thanks for the information you shared.
mixtum is a great sponsor and a great mixer.
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Yes, but this "proof of credibility" is also based on someone`s subjective evaluation after using the service. Same as it could be on this voting. I think that a service that values its reputation, like MixTum, appreciates any positive feedback, no matter where it is left. Moreover, the forum is a platform for their advertising and a positive image is very important for them within this audience.
Yeah, I also hope that everything is positive for MixTum, it would be great if we could get feedback from real users and serious members. However, competition is happening everywhere and we need to be ready for the complex and negative things from spammers or members who don't like MixTum ^^
Anyway, for me, rating in 5-stars system is just static data and does not have much value. User reviews and real experiences will always be more valuable for reference and decision-making!
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thank you dear examplens, very useful information.. I immediately went to choose my points and reported the matter to my Italian friends in order to complete and go further
Thanks for the information you shared.
mixtum is a great sponsor and a great mixer.
I will accept tips if you are the lucky winner ;D
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Is anyone having issues with Mixtum clearnet at the moment?
Website keeps loading and spinning but nothing is opening, there could be some issue that are affecting more users and not just me.
I also can't access official Mixtum onion link (posted below)
On website isitdownrightnow I received this information:
https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/mixtum.io.html
(https://i.ibb.co/4KPc7qz/pic1012.jpg)
https://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/
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Is anyone having issues with Mixtum clearnet at the moment?
Website keeps loading and spinning but nothing is opening, there could be some issue that are affecting more users and not just me.
I also can't access official Mixtum onion link (posted below)
Both sites (clearnet and onion) are available and open quite quickly to me, I don't see any drawback.
btw. the onion link you posted doesn't work for me either, but I copied the link from the signature and it works without problems. He is even very fast.
Now I see the difference, you tried via https, while in the signature is http. I guess that has an reason
From signature:
http://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/
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thank you dear examplens, very useful information.. I immediately went to choose my points and reported the matter to my Italian friends in order to complete and go further
Thanks for the information you shared.
mixtum is a great sponsor and a great mixer.
I will accept tips if you are the lucky winner ;D
if I win I will be happy to give you a $5 tip in LN
Do you have lightning network? it's really fantastic I must say, it would be nice if the mixers also integrated "the return" of the money in LN, it would be nice since everything has now been mixed but to come to you you would spend ridiculous fees
I love LN <3
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Is anyone having issues with Mixtum clearnet at the moment?
Website keeps loading and spinning but nothing is opening, there could be some issue that are affecting more users and not just me.
I also can't access official Mixtum onion link (posted below)
When i write this post, i can access both. Although for onion link, i had to change Tor circuit once (on Tor Browser) before i can access the onion link.
btw. the onion link you posted doesn't work for me either, but I copied the link from the signature and it works without problems. He is even very fast.
Now I see the difference, you tried via https, while in the signature is http. I guess that has an reason
From signature:
http://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/
Good catch. These days you can use TLS certificate for HTTPS onion link[1], although only few onion link bother using it.
[1] https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/https/ (https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/https/)
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Good catch. These days you can use TLS certificate for HTTPS onion link[1], although only few onion link bother using it.
[1] https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/https/ (https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/https/)
I can't find the date of this article, Is this something recent?
I saw these days that other services have a similar http vs. https problem these days on Tor.
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Both sites (clearnet and onion) are available and open quite quickly to me, I don't see any drawback.
Both websites are working again for me, issue has been fixed.
btw. the onion link you posted doesn't work for me either, but I copied the link from the signature and it works without problems. He is even very fast.
Now I see the difference, you tried via https, while in the signature is http. I guess that has an reason
Than icopress needs to make a small correction in first post of this topic and remove the letter S.
I didnt bookmark Mixtum in Tor browser and this is where I copied the link from.
Public Key: https://mixtum.io/pgp-key.txt
Telegtam: https://t.me/mixtum_bot
MixTum Tor Mirror: https://mixtumjzn2tsiusfkdhutntamspsg43kgt764qbdaxjebce4h6fcfiad.onion/
MixTum.io PGP fingerprint: B8A5 CFCA F63F F2D8 384A 6B12 D3B2 8095 6F0E 7CAF
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Than icopress needs to make a small correction in first post of this topic and remove the letter S.
I didnt bookmark Mixtum in Tor browser and this is where I copied the link from.
thanks this is updated. :)
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https / http
When visiting a site over the Onion Services protocol, the Tor protocol prevents data in transit from being read or manipulated by man in the middle attacks, and the Onion Service protocol validates that the user is connected to the domain name in the browser address bar. No certificate authority is required for this proof, because the name of the service is the actual public key used to authenticate the underlying connection.
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Good catch. These days you can use TLS certificate for HTTPS onion link[1], although only few onion link bother using it.
[1] https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/https/ (https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/https/)
I can't find the date of this article, Is this something recent?
I saw these days that other services have a similar http vs. https problem these days on Tor.
No, it's been around for long time. But based on Tor Project blog, it only become easier to get TLS certificate since 3 years ago[1].
[1] https://blog.torproject.org/tls-certificate-for-onion-site/ (https://blog.torproject.org/tls-certificate-for-onion-site/)
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Than icopress needs to make a small correction in first post of this topic and remove the letter S.
I didnt bookmark Mixtum in Tor browser and this is where I copied the link from.
You are very observant and noticed the small errors in the ANN. I usually just type mixtum.io and access the official website to use MixTum's services. Maybe I'm just a regular user so I haven't had any problems with http and https ^^
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You are very observant and noticed the small errors in the ANN. I usually just type mixtum.io and access the official website to use MixTum's services. Maybe I'm just a regular user so I haven't had any problems with http and https ^^
Its about the onion link.
When you use clearnet, it doesn't matter if you entered http or https in the browser, you will always be redirected to https. That's why you don't have a problem because everything is fixed on the fly.
I'm not very familiar with the TOR network backend, but isn't there some way to redirect all access to the site to the active version, regardless of whether it's http or https. Something like an htaccess file on a regular web?
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The 4th round of MixTum.io's Free Raffles is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join to try to win the $52 prize! Good luck ;)
[FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $52 in BTC - Round #4 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322753.msg1587229#msg1587229)
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The 4th round of MixTum.io's Free Raffles is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join to try to win the $52 prize! Good luck ;)
[FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $52 in BTC - Round #4 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322753.msg1587229#msg1587229)
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Such a great news! I am going to try my luck once again. Three previous times I was not a happy winner, but I believe, if you continue trying, luck will follow. Many thanks to MixTum and paid2 for launching those ruffles, and not even for only once or twice, but for the fourth time already.
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Such a great news! I am going to try my luck once again. Three previous times I was not a happy winner, but I believe, if you continue trying, luck will follow.
Yes, it's great to see such raffles. We should not give up even if we won't win. I'll also try my luck this time by picking my numbers at that raffle. Thanks to Mixtum team and Paid2 for such a great raffle.
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I wonder why and what made Mixtum mixer for again organizing a new rafffle. I think other mixers here should follow them as it has been a success previously .@paid2 has been spot-on with his work and he indeed is the best person to do it. I am thankful that this mixer is aggressive in marketing itself and that it seems that they are enjoying the benefits of the signature campaign with the probability of accomplishing more with their free raffle. I am sending him +1 karma for his efforts to paid2 and it is worth mentioning that he has operated all those campaigns smoothly without any issues.
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I am thankful that this mixer is aggressive in marketing itself and that it seems that they are enjoying the benefits of the signature campaign with the probability of accomplishing more with their free raffle.
I would not call their marketing aggressive. They are undoubtedly the most active here, because I have not seen similar initiatives from other advertised services. But at the same time, those raffles do not look like advertising, it is more like an opportunity to have fun. After all, you do not risk anything by taking part in them. You just want to try your luck. And no one forces you to participate and especially does not force you to use the services of the mixer itself.
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I wonder why and what made Mixtum mixer for again organizing a new rafffle. I think other mixers here should follow them as it has been a success previously .@paid2 has been spot-on with his work and he indeed is the best person to do it. I am thankful that this mixer is aggressive in marketing itself and that it seems that they are enjoying the benefits of the signature campaign with the probability of accomplishing more with their free raffle. I am sending him +1 karma for his efforts to paid2 and it is worth mentioning that he has operated all those campaigns smoothly without any issues.
It's a lot of fun to take part in the raffles, I always have fun and try to get my favorite numbers 42 and 69
it's very nice, fun and useful, it helps to create a lot of community and to build something together at a community level
I find it interesting and fun to play this kind of game
maybe next year we can organize a competition or something for bitcoin pizza or similar events
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I am thankful that this mixer is aggressive in marketing itself and that it seems that they are enjoying the benefits of the signature campaign with the probability of accomplishing more with their free raffle.
I wouldn't call it aggressiveness in any way, after all, on average every week someone gets a nice prize just because they picked a number lucky. If you look at the number of raffles on BTT, you will see that some companies have several of them at the same time - but that is a matter of choice for each individual company.
Anyway, I think that MixTum just wants to show that they are one of the oldest and most reliable services that are happy to share a part of their profits with all of us.
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Its about the onion link.
When you use clearnet, it doesn't matter if you entered http or https in the browser, you will always be redirected to https. That's why you don't have a problem because everything is fixed on the fly.
I'm not very familiar with the TOR network backend, but isn't there some way to redirect all access to the site to the active version, regardless of whether it's http or https. Something like an htaccess file on a regular web?
I'm not very knowledgeable about Tor, as I've mentioned before: VPN & Clearnet are enough for me to be satisfied with anonymity through MixTum.
I think the lack of redirection feature is an advantage of Tor to ensure that everything is under the user's control and Tor does not interfere too much with the link that the user wants to access. To be honest, I'm not very good at handling these situations, so I choose MixTum Clearnet to use ^^
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I'm not very knowledgeable about Tor, as I've mentioned before: VPN & Clearnet are enough for me to be satisfied with anonymity through MixTum.
What is there to be knowledgeable about?
You just download Tor browser and double click to open it... this is arguably more simple than using a VPN, since Tor is free, you don't have to pay for it, and there is not centralized controller like in case with VPN services.
Most VPN services are just a security theater, except maybe few exceptions like MullvadVPN and few others.
Mixers used with VPN is mostly giving a false sense of anonymity.
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I'm not very knowledgeable about Tor, as I've mentioned before: VPN & Clearnet are enough for me to be satisfied with anonymity through MixTum.
What is there to be knowledgeable about?
You just download Tor browser and double click to open it... this is arguably more simple than using a VPN, since Tor is free, you don't have to pay for it, and there is not centralized controller like in case with VPN services.
Most VPN services are just a security theater, except maybe few exceptions like MullvadVPN and few others.
Mixers used with VPN is mostly giving a false sense of anonymity.
I am somehow convinced that the destination address is the most important when mixing. You can use VPN or TOR, but if the address and funds on it are non-untraceable, all other efforts are worthless.
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I am somehow convinced that the destination address is the most important when mixing. You can use VPN or TOR, but if the address and funds on it are non-untraceable, all other efforts are worthless.
It is important only if someone cares about maximum privacy, but if someone does not use VPN/Tor, then the address where the mixed coins end up is not too important. I think this is one part that maybe the least people pay attention to, because if you use VPN/Tor on the mixer, then you should use the same level of protection on the wallet as well.
This means that we always need a "clean" wallet that we create while we are online with the help of VPN/Tor, and only then will it be a little more difficult to connect our mixed coins with our real IP address. However, we should keep in mind that most VPNs probably keep our logs long enough to be able to share them with the authorities if they receive an official request.
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I am somehow convinced that the destination address is the most important when mixing. You can use VPN or TOR, but if the address and funds on it are non-untraceable, all other efforts are worthless.
If you want to hide it from your friends, your wife, or bad guys who want to know your balance, then using a VPN or TOR will not make a difference, but if you want to hide them from the government or the IRS, you will need more effort, as a small mistake may lead to your identity being revealed.
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TOR is a good alternative to remain anonymous, even better if you use TAILS as your operating system
why do I say this? I say this because TAILS is an OS that loads into memory and then when you're done you turn it off and everything disappears
INCLUDED in TAILS we also have Electrum, just put seed and you have your wallet with your bitcoins
to hide from the government or IRS you simply have to maintain a modest lifestyle, no stupid expenses like lambos and mansions
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to hide from the government or IRS you simply have to maintain a modest lifestyle, no stupid expenses like lambos and mansions
That's smart advice, but sometimes even that isn't enough to stay under the radar. People sometimes think that they will go unnoticed if they sell smaller amounts through CEX or DEX and withdraw the profit to their bank account, but they ignore that banks have a legal obligation to report every "suspicious" transaction, as well as the fact that in some countries the tax management or financial police have complete insight into any bank account.
Whoever wants to outwit the system must be very innovative, and that often means that his actions are deep in the gray zone.
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governments allow distortions such as the double Dutch sandwich with Irish hamburger
a legal fraudulent system using appl3, fac3b00k, 3bay and all the others
with this system they pay 2% taxes... so what are we talking about? of nothing so I don't see why we shouldn't use gray systems too
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I am somehow convinced that the destination address is the most important when mixing. You can use VPN or TOR, but if the address and funds on it are non-untraceable, all other efforts are worthless.
Address is more important but when you have IP addresses and location connected with address that makes a much bigger problem.
In Tor browser you are easily changing IP address with clicking on new identity button, and you can easily generate new bitcoin address to avoid address reuse.
If you want to hide it from your friends, your wife, or bad guys who want to know your balance, then using a VPN or TOR will not make a difference
You can't hide your balance from anyone when using VON or Tor browser, just IP address and maybe activity.
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If you want to hide it from your friends, your wife, or bad guys who want to know your balance, then using a VPN or TOR will not make a difference
You can't hide your balance from anyone when using VON or Tor browser, just IP address and maybe activity.
Sure...
The only way to really hide your balance is to use multiple addresses. Ideally, you should never reuse an address, making very hard to track all of your addresses.
this is hard for us here because of signature campaigns. But maybe in the future we can make a signature campaign which accepts payments silent payments.
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this is hard for us here because of signature campaigns. But maybe in the future we can make a signature campaign which accepts payments silent payments.
I was just about to say about Silent Payments, but that means that each time you would receive signature payment each week in your Silent Payment address than you would received them in newly generated different public address each time.
If you later wanted to consolidate all this addresses into one address you would eventually have to reveal connection between them.
Good address management and labeling is needed especially with this.
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If you later wanted to consolidate all this addresses into one address you would eventually have to reveal connection between them.
Good address management and labeling is needed especially with this.
I don't think consolidating is important. It doesn't reduce fees and is bad for privacy...
You could just spend your coins when you want, you hardly will want to spend all at the same time.
About consolidation, if fees are very low and if that doesn't harm your privacy, could be an option. But not important and really not necessary
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this is hard for us here because of signature campaigns. But maybe in the future we can make a signature campaign which accepts payments silent payments.
Maybe this topic is more suitable for another thread (signature MixTum), but although there is a logic for our addresses to be public for the reason that everything is transparent, I have always been in favor of such data being available only to those who participate in the campaign, or only to the manager.
I believe that this would contribute to the privacy of all participants, of course only if the address from which the payment comes from would also be private.
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this is hard for us here because of signature campaigns. But maybe in the future we can make a signature campaign which accepts payments silent payments.
Maybe this topic is more suitable for another thread (signature MixTum), but although there is a logic for our addresses to be public for the reason that everything is transparent, I have always been in favor of such data being available only to those who participate in the campaign, or only to the manager.
I believe that this would contribute to the privacy of all participants, of course only if the address from which the payment comes from would also be private.
I agree. I don't like my username (thankfully not my real name) in google sheets which are open for everyone for eternity with dozens of weeks of payments...
But it is a consolidated pratice already. I have seen few campaigns which decide to keep things private, such as sportsbet.
Back to mixtum:
Would it makes sense for a mixer to accept destination address as a silent payment?
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Back to mixtum:
Would it makes sense for a mixer to accept destination address as a silent payment?
I was reading some old articles (about 2 years ago) and as far as I remember it was not easy to use this kind of payment method back then, especially from the side of the one who receives the transaction in the sense that the recipient has to scan the blockchain to find his transaction, which (then) was not a very simple task.
Has anything changed since then, that is, are silent payments somehow supported by most wallets and not complicated for the average user?
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Address is more important but when you have IP addresses and location connected with address that makes a much bigger problem.
In Tor browser you are easily changing IP address with clicking on new identity button, and you can easily generate new bitcoin address to avoid address reuse.
Probably TOR offers more privacy, but I also don't see a problem if I use a newly created address on my hardware wallet as the destination address.
Mixtum clears the logs, they do not retain any transaction data, so that shouldn't be a problem. The only weak point here is the potential MITM problem that can come from Cloudflare
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Back to mixtum:
Would it makes sense for a mixer to accept destination address as a silent payment?
Yes it would be really good for everyone privacy.
Silent payments with additional mixer is giving more privacy, it would be even better if bitcoin would add mimble wimble addresses.
Only rpoblem with Silent Payments is potential bugs since this is early stage and not many wallets support them yet.
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What is there to be knowledgeable about?
You just download Tor browser and double click to open it... this is arguably more simple than using a VPN, since Tor is free, you don't have to pay for it, and there is not centralized controller like in case with VPN services.
Most VPN services are just a security theater, except maybe few exceptions like MullvadVPN and few others.
Mixers used with VPN is mostly giving a false sense of anonymity.
To be honest, I have tried Tor before, but I decided not to continue using it because of the speed issue. Tor sacrifices speed and user experience to achieve the best possible security. I understand this, but I cannot get used to that speed, even though I don't mix BTC often. This makes me not a loyal Tor user, and I don't have much experience to share on AltcoinsTalks.
I also don't have a high need for anonymity. As mentioned before, I only focus on the cleanliness of BTC after using MixTum, so Mixtum Clearnet + VPN is enough for me to feel satisfied and confident when moving my BTC.
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To be honest, I have tried Tor before, but I decided not to continue using it because of the speed issue. Tor sacrifices speed and user experience to achieve the best possible security. I understand this, but I cannot get used to that speed, even though I don't mix BTC often. This makes me not a loyal Tor user, and I don't have much experience to share on AltcoinsTalks.
Get your story straight and don't repeat the same stuff all over again, we already know that you don't care about privacy or anonymity at all. ::)
First you said that you are not very knowledgeable about Tor, and now you are saying a different story that Tor is slow.
It's silly to say speed is important for mixing, and nobody asked you to use Tor browser all the time.
I don't care what you do for yourself, but you are giving a bad example to other members who want to use mixers, especially since you are advertising it.
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First you said that you are not very knowledgeable about Tor, and now you are saying a different story that Tor is slow.
Tor is slow, but that shouldn't stop anyone from using it, especially since onion links are more private than any clearnet domain that is using 3rd-party DDoS protection like CloudFlare or DDoS-Guard.
As well as the risk of your domain being suspended for "phishing" (or whatever that's supposed to mean), you also have to worry about the DDoS provider sharing your (unencrypted!) user data with law enforcement.
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Address is more important but when you have IP addresses and location connected with address that makes a much bigger problem.
In Tor browser you are easily changing IP address with clicking on new identity button, and you can easily generate new bitcoin address to avoid address reuse.
I don't see that creating a new address is difficult to hide, there are many different and simple ways to do it.
Mixtum does not keep any logs, so it should be a safe part. Cloudflare in the middle remains the most critical if they use a sniff method.
by the way. Is there any case where Cloudflare is publicly recognized as an MITM attacker or is their service used for that?
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I also don't have a high need for anonymity. As mentioned before, I only focus on the cleanliness of BTC after using MixTum, so Mixtum Clearnet + VPN is enough for me to feel satisfied and confident when moving my BTC.
Personally, I think Tor is easier to use than a VPN.
VPN may keep logs, so some trust is involved. The good VPN are expensive... Tor is basically straight foward. You don't need to use it all the time, just when you need enhanced privacy.
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Tor is slow, but that shouldn't stop anyone from using it, especially since onion links are more private than any clearnet domain that is using 3rd-party DDoS protection like CloudFlare or DDoS-Guard.
Speed improved a lot compared to early Tor days, but I surely won't watch movies and play video games in Tor browser ;)
Tor is not meant to be used as one browser for everything.
I don't see that creating a new address is difficult to hide, there are many different and simple ways to do it.
Mixtum does not keep any logs, so it should be a safe part. Cloudflare in the middle remains the most critical if they use a sniff method.
All mixers and vpn services are saying they don't collect information, but we have examples in history when that was not the case.
And cloudflare is one big monster that nobody want's to talk about, if they stop working for few days most of the websites who use it will also stop working normally :P
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Speed improved a lot compared to early Tor days, but I surely won't watch movies and play video games in Tor browser ;)
Tor is not meant to be used as one browser for everything.
Of course, not. It is very specific decision for a specific request. It is only needed, in my opinion, when privacy is much more important, than usually, and it allows you to get and keep it. Or when there is a necessity to visit a website which is not working in the country you live in. But for daily usage, for watching movies or playing games it would be not so useful and it would cause more inconveniences than advantages.
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Of course, not. It is very specific decision for a specific request. It is only needed, in my opinion, when privacy is much more important, than usually, and it allows you to get and keep it. Or when there is a necessity to visit a website which is not working in the country you live in. But for daily usage, for watching movies or playing games it would be not so useful and it would cause more inconveniences than advantages.
For that purpose, it is more logical to use a VPN, because there you can choose the country from which you want your IP address to be - while with Tor countries (exit nodes) are random and theoretically you can get an IP address from your own country.
As for speed, which many criticize as the biggest drawback of Tor, I would not agree that it is as bad as some assume. Perhaps these are those who do not know that the Tor circuit can be changed manually practically from the toolbar in case we have problems loading the page.
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Tor is not meant to be used as one browser for everything.
I agree. Just like you don't need to mix all of your coins..
I don't see that creating a new address is difficult to hide, there are many different and simple ways to do it.
Mixtum does not keep any logs, so it should be a safe part. Cloudflare in the middle remains the most critical if they use a sniff method.
All mixers and vpn services are saying they don't collect information, but we have examples in history when that was not the case.
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If they don't have your data, they can't collect it. ;)
Use tor or VPN when you need privacy.
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I agree. Just like you don't need to mix all of your coins..
Unless you keep all your coins in one address, than you have to mix them all the time, or move and split in multiple addresses.
Good address management is very important if you want to separate coins based on history and origin.
If you send coins to Mixtum it is better to withdraw mixed coins in more address with amounts you plan to spend.
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Personally, I think Tor is easier to use than a VPN.
VPN may keep logs, so some trust is involved. The good VPN are expensive... Tor is basically straight foward. You don't need to use it all the time, just when you need enhanced privacy.
I’ve tried Tor before, but the experience wasn't good enough, so I'm currently content with the level of anonymity that VPN provides. Honestly, I'm not too concerned about anonymity, I'm fine with people knowing I have a few hundred $ worth of BTC in my account. My BTC holdings aren't large enough to endanger my life ^^
My main worry is the stability of my accounts on CEXs. "Dirty" BTC could cause issues, like account freezing and the hassle of dealing with CEX support. Mixing BTC from CEXs with MixTum could give me more peace of mind when moving BTC to CEXs for cash-out or buying ALTS during altseason.
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Personally, I think Tor is easier to use than a VPN.
VPN may keep logs, so some trust is involved. The good VPN are expensive... Tor is basically straight foward. You don't need to use it all the time, just when you need enhanced privacy.
I’ve tried Tor before, but the experience wasn't good enough, so I'm currently content with the level of anonymity that VPN provides. Honestly, I'm not too concerned about anonymity, I'm fine with people knowing I have a few hundred $ worth of BTC in my account. My BTC holdings aren't large enough to endanger my life ^^
My main worry is the stability of my accounts on CEXs. "Dirty" BTC could cause issues, like account freezing and the hassle of dealing with CEX support. Mixing BTC from CEXs with MixTum could give me more peace of mind when moving BTC to CEXs for cash-out or buying ALTS during altseason.
CEXs want the slightest excuse now to freeze your funds
with the excuse that the government asks for it, among other things... I have read and seen some truly absurd stories
I always remember the words of Federico Tenga who said exactly this, that they will try in every way to steal your satoshis, ICO, IPO, etc
hold satoshis :D
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Use tor or VPN when you need privacy.
Tor is far more advanced in providing this privacy than any VPN, which you usually have to pay for. And for a VPN to "work" it must store user logs for a certain amount of time, or it must have an unofficial backdoor through which "they" can always check for any suspicious activity.
To be clear, Tor is not impenetrable and has its flaws, but it is still free and far more secure than any VPN.
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The 5th round of MixTum.io's Free Raffles is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join to try to win the $52 prize! Good luck ;)
[FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $52 in BTC - Round #5 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323154.msg1596960#msg1596960)
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The 5th round of MixTum.io's Free Raffles is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join to try to win the $52 prize! Good luck ;)
[FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $52 in BTC - Round #5 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323154.msg1596960#msg1596960)
Big thanks to Mixtum for making this raffles happen and for supporting this forum crypto community!
They have proven to be reliable and available service in time when crypto websites get constantly attacked and shut down.
Good luck.
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The 5th round of MixTum.io's Free Raffles is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join to try to win the $52 prize! Good luck ;)
[FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $52 in BTC - Round #5 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323154.msg1596960#msg1596960)
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That will be my fifth attempt to win this raffle ;D I don't want to give up and I am determined to keep trying my luck. I really hope MixTum will continue to organise such contests so that we all have a chance to win at least one of them.
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The 5th round of MixTum.io's Free Raffles is now launched! Everyone is welcome to join to try to win the $52 prize! Good luck ;)
[FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $52 in BTC - Round #5 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323154.msg1596960#msg1596960)
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That will be my fifth attempt to win this raffle ;D I don't want to give up and I am determined to keep trying my luck. I really hope MixTum will continue to organise such contests so that we all have a chance to win at least one of them.
I think i never won anything that used my giveaway manager lol
I join all of them as I am quoted . Let's see if I have better luck sometime
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I think i never won anything that used my giveaway manager lol
I join all of them as I am quoted . Let's see if I have better luck sometime
Your tool is not very lucky for me either. I never won anything when he decided the winner, although even without it, it's not like I was filling my wallet with prizes ::)
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I think i never won anything that used my giveaway manager lol
I join all of them as I am quoted . Let's see if I have better luck sometime
Your tool is not very lucky for me either. I never won anything when he decided the winner, although even without it, it's not like I was filling my wallet with prizes ::)
You actually have a better chance at winning when you pick the same number(s) over and over again, than when you choose a different one each time.
It's something like O(N) probability instead of O(N^2), which means a lot when we are talking about money.
Of course, sometimes this is not possible as another person chooses the number you wanted, but I thought you might find this interesting.
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You actually have a better chance at winning when you pick the same number(s) over and over again, than when you choose a different one each time.
That's what I do since a few months.
It's something like O(N) probability instead of O(N^2), which means a lot when we are talking about money.
Of course, sometimes this is not possible as another person chooses the number you wanted, but I thought you might find this interesting.
I don't think that actually makes sense, because every round is a new round and past results do not interfere in the next result
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CEXs want the slightest excuse now to freeze your funds
with the excuse that the government asks for it, among other things... I have read and seen some truly absurd stories
I always remember the words of Federico Tenga who said exactly this, that they will try in every way to steal your satoshis, ICO, IPO, etc
hold satoshis :D
For now, after many years of using Binance, KuCoin, GateIO, and a few other CEXs, I’m lucky to say I haven't encountered any issues. The only issue was one of my accounts being frozen during the Russia-Ukraine war because that exchange didn't support users in Russia.
Honestly, I believe BTC will reach $1M in the future, and I want to hold every satoshi I have. Unfortunately, I still need money to pay for life's bills, and I also want to diversify my portfolio into ALTS to make bigger profits during altseason. MixTum gives me peace of mind when I send BTC from my online work salary to a CEX to sell or buy ALTS.
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The only issue was one of my accounts being frozen during the Russia-Ukraine war because that exchange didn't support users in Russia.
In short, what happened to those accounts, are they still blocked or did you manage to get the funds out of there? Were there any warnings that there would be a ban and did they offer a redemption period?
I saw similar problems of some users and it sounded quite unfair and bad towards them.
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You actually have a better chance at winning when you pick the same number(s) over and over again, than when you choose a different one each time.
Except in case when you win reward with the same numbers, I think you should not repeat and use them again.
Most people just write random numbers every time, including me, and I think I won some reward with my strategy ;)
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In short, what happened to those accounts, are they still blocked or did you manage to get the funds out of there? Were there any warnings that there would be a ban and did they offer a redemption period?
I saw similar problems of some users and it sounded quite unfair and bad towards them.
Well, I registered an account when I was working in Russia and used a Russian phone number. When the war broke out, the exchange suddenly announced that it would stop supporting Russian accounts and the phone number was one of the criteria for determining that. Even though I am not a Russian citizen, I could not access my account to withdraw tokens to my personal account or other CEXs.
This is really interesting and made me stop the habit of storing many assets on CEXs. However, I still have to use some CEXs such as Binance, GateIO and KuCoin to sell crypto for fiat or buy ALTS for my portfolio. Every investor should also pay attention to this because in some special cases, CEXs can block users accounts without giving us the opportunity to withdraw assets.
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Well, I registered an account when I was working in Russia and used a Russian phone number. When the war broke out, the exchange suddenly announced that it would stop supporting Russian accounts and the phone number was one of the criteria for determining that. Even though I am not a Russian citizen, I could not access my account to withdraw tokens to my personal account or other CEXs.
This is really interesting and made me stop the habit of storing many assets on CEXs. However, I still have to use some CEXs such as Binance, GateIO and KuCoin to sell crypto for fiat or buy ALTS for my portfolio. Every investor should also pay attention to this because in some special cases, CEXs can block users accounts without giving us the opportunity to withdraw assets.
That's really a shame, considering, you are not even russian citizen. But your story really only confirms the fact that we shouldn't store coins on the CEXs. Although it's easy to do with a deposit meant for holding. But the deposit that you regularly trade with is difficult to withdraw to a cold wallet every time after the close of a trading session, and then transfer it back to the exchange at the beginning of the next trade. There will be big losses on commissions, plus it's just inconvenient.
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@Etranger, CEXs with their service fees actually encourage users to keep their coins on the exchange for as long as possible, and the only reason is that they want to enable as much liquidity as possible. If these fees were much lower, then clients would certainly withdraw their funds to non-custodial wallets much more often - but then CEXs CEOs wouldn't earn billions and be among the richest people in the world, right?
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@Etranger, CEXs with their service fees actually encourage users to keep their coins on the exchange for as long as possible, and the only reason is that they want to enable as much liquidity as possible. If these fees were much lower, then clients would certainly withdraw their funds to non-custodial wallets much more often - but then CEXs CEOs wouldn't earn billions and be among the richest people in the world, right?
I agree, centralised exchanges do everything to attract users and offer them all sorts of conveniences so that clients' money remains within their platform. But despite all this temptation, it is the responsibility of each user to monitor their money and ensure its safety. If a user does not consider it necessary to play it safe and keep the main capital in a cold wallet, and not on the CEX, then he risks becoming a victim of either an attack or freezing of his own funds. Although this can be avoided if he follows basic security rules.
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Hey people!
There are only a few free slots left in the Mixtum free raffle. Let's fill that out and move on to round #6 :D
43, 45, 51, 67, 69, 84, 87, 96
[FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $52 in BTC - Round #5 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323154.0)
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@Etranger, I think that many people completely misunderstand that CEXs are not "crypto banks", but it is precisely CEXs that are working to convince them that this is the case. A well-known CEO stated not so long ago that 99% of users will lose their coins if they keep them in self-custody wallets (https://decrypt.co/117214/99-people-will-lose-crypto-storing-self-custody-binance-ceo-changpeng-zhao), which for me personally is a huge underestimation of users and publicly calling them incompetent. He lost $4+ billion to get out of jail, so I'd say karma caught up with him - who's stupid now Mr. CZ ::)
I hope that as many people as possible will understand how wrong and risky it is to use CEXs as crypto banks.
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That's really a shame, considering, you are not even russian citizen. But your story really only confirms the fact that we shouldn't store coins on the CEXs. Although it's easy to do with a deposit meant for holding. But the deposit that you regularly trade with is difficult to withdraw to a cold wallet every time after the close of a trading session, and then transfer it back to the exchange at the beginning of the next trade. There will be big losses on commissions, plus it's just inconvenient.
Yeah, that CEX is really unprofessional. They even had my KYC to verify but they didn't do it. They don't give users any chance to recover their stuck crypto assets.
However, this doesn't make me stop using CEXs, although I no longer store too much crypto on them. CEXs are still the simplest way for me to buy and sell crypto when needed, and moving crypto assets from persional account to CEXs is not too difficult when I want to liquidate them for fiat.
For now, I'm still quite comfortable using top CEXs thanks to the great support from MixTum ^^
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Hey people!
There are only a few free slots left in the Mixtum free raffle. Let's fill that out and move on to round #6 :D
43, 45, 51, 67, 69, 84, 87, 96
[FREE RAFFLE] 🛡️ MixTum.io - 🛡️ Prize $52 in BTC - Round #5 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323154.0)
Thanks brother, you're really on point
I've already signed up and it's a very fun system/game
it would be nice to also play some games in the forum, I don't know, beyond that a guess the price or I don't know, we need some alternative ideas to create ways to engage users
any idea?
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it would be nice to also play some games in the forum, I don't know, beyond that a guess the price or I don't know, we need some alternative ideas to create ways to engage users
any idea?
I think this is forum stuff.
As it is quite easy to progress from rank to rank here, it is difficult to stimulate users to participate in some games. Like for example on the Btt forum, where younger users are stimulated by rewarding merit for good posts, running nodes or various contests.
I'm not sure if we can ask for more from Mixtum, they have the best paid campaign, plus (almost always open) generous raffle. A significant contribution from them to this community.
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it would be nice to also play some games in the forum, I don't know, beyond that a guess the price or I don't know, we need some alternative ideas to create ways to engage users
any idea?
I think this is forum stuff.
As it is quite easy to progress from rank to rank here, it is difficult to stimulate users to participate in some games. Like for example on the Btt forum, where younger users are stimulated by rewarding merit for good posts, running nodes or various contests.
I'm not sure if we can ask for more from Mixtum, they have the best paid campaign, plus (almost always open) generous raffle. A significant contribution from them to this community.
Don't act like the wealth of signature campaigns does not already engage all most of the users here ;)
Everything else, all the opportunities to earn money, it just to simulate user discussion about not just the service in question but about everything else too. It is a win-win situation. I can't think of anything better than that.
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it would be nice to also play some games in the forum, I don't know, beyond that a guess the price or I don't know, we need some alternative ideas to create ways to engage users
any idea?
You can play games you want at your home, Mixtum is more for serious stuff, and raffles are good enough for me 8)
Reviews are always good but I think that majority members in this forum is already familiar with how Mixtum works, ones who are not should do something about that.
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it would be nice to also play some games in the forum, I don't know, beyond that a guess the price or I don't know, we need some alternative ideas to create ways to engage users
any idea?
I think this is forum stuff.
As it is quite easy to progress from rank to rank here, it is difficult to stimulate users to participate in some games. Like for example on the Btt forum, where younger users are stimulated by rewarding merit for good posts, running nodes or various contests.
I'm not sure if we can ask for more from Mixtum, they have the best paid campaign, plus (almost always open) generous raffle. A significant contribution from them to this community.
it was a no-brainer proposal, I know very well that mixtum already does a lot and I will never stop thanking the sponsor for this
I suggested, it might be a nice way to allocate gadgets instead of money
I don't know, a USB stick, a hat, that would be nice and it wouldn't be too expensive
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I suggested, it might be a nice way to allocate gadgets instead of money
I don't know, a USB stick, a hat, that would be nice and it wouldn't be too expensive
Yeah I kinda agree with you, collectibles are great for free raffles, especially when they're in limited edition. But IMO, the main interest of a prize in BTC, it that we don't have any issue with shipment, no restricted area or country, etc...etc...
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Yeah I kinda agree with you, collectibles are great for free raffles, especially when they're in limited edition. But IMO, the main interest of a prize in BTC, it that we don't have any issue with shipment, no restricted area or country, etc...etc...
Yes, those Bitcoin prizes are the best option, because everyone can get it without any addictional movements. It is the most convenient and fast way.
By the way, there is one more winner in MixTum free raffle. Congratulations to mu_enrico! And thanks again to all the organizers. I hope, there will be more raffles.
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Most probably heard about Russia's decision to "legalize" crypto transactions and mining, and considering the sanctions that country has, how realistic is it that they might try to use mixers to hide their BTC transactions if they use them for international payments?
I am asking this in the context of possible even stricter supervision and attempts to disable as many mixers as possible by those who are constantly trying to do so anyway. Of course, let's leave politics aside and focus on the mixers and their role in the whole story.
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Most probably heard about Russia's decision to "legalize" crypto transactions and mining, and considering the sanctions that country has, how realistic is it that they might try to use mixers to hide their BTC transactions if they use them for international payments?
Considering that basically every mixer has a Russian language in their website (mix tum included) it is likely that Russians are already mixing a lot of coins..
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Considering that basically every mixer has a Russian language in their website (mix tum included) it is likely that Russians are already mixing a lot of coins..
I got the impression that the founders of a large part of these services come from that zone. Many only subsequently set the EN page instead of RU as default, support chat very often initially appears on RU.
Just imagine now, after Putin has signed a new law legalizing Bitcoin and cryptocurrency mining in Russia (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323398.0;topicseen), how much this will increase their interest and use of Bitcoin.
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Most probably heard about Russia's decision to "legalize" crypto transactions and mining, and considering the sanctions that country has, how realistic is it that they might try to use mixers to hide their BTC transactions if they use them for international payments?
I am asking this in the context of possible even stricter supervision and attempts to disable as many mixers as possible by those who are constantly trying to do so anyway. Of course, let's leave politics aside and focus on the mixers and their role in the whole story.
Many news report hackers from North Korea use mixer, so it wouldn't be surprising if Russia government also use mixer. And aside from western government going after mixer, there's also possibility might run their own mixer which intended as honey pot. After all, FBI already did that with "privacy" phone called Anom.
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Most probably heard about Russia's decision to "legalize" crypto transactions and mining, and considering the sanctions that country has, how realistic is it that they might try to use mixers to hide their BTC transactions if they use them for international payments?
I am asking this in the context of possible even stricter supervision and attempts to disable as many mixers as possible by those who are constantly trying to do so anyway. Of course, let's leave politics aside and focus on the mixers and their role in the whole story.
Many news report hackers from North Korea use mixer, so it wouldn't be surprising if Russia government also use mixer. And aside from western government going after mixer, there's also possibility might run their own mixer which intended as honey pot. After all, FBI already did that with "privacy" phone called Anom.
It's true, if I'm my memory serves me right, there are a lot of fly by night crypto exchanges run by Russia around 2018 that was taken down because it is being used by Russians themselves to laundered money.
And who would forget about the biggest crypto mixer take down in history? CM Crypto ‘Mixer’ Laundered $700 Million For Customers, Including Russian And North Korean Spies, DOJ Says. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2023/03/15/us-shuts-down-crypto-mixer-chipmixer-used-by-russian-and-north-korea-spies/)
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Considering that basically every mixer has a Russian language in their website (mix tum included) it is likely that Russians are already mixing a lot of coins..
Ordinary citizens who use mixers for their own needs are something completely different compared to the same mixers being used by a government that is under sanctions. The question is how much such knowledge would affect the even greater organization of Western governments in the fight against everything that enables privacy, including mixers.
Many news report hackers from North Korea use mixer, so it wouldn't be surprising if Russia government also use mixer. And aside from western government going after mixer, there's also possibility might run their own mixer which intended as honey pot. After all, FBI already did that with "privacy" phone called Anom.
NK is a good example of how a country under sanctions can benefit from cryptocurrencies, but I have already written many times that it is somewhat unrealistic to attribute all hacking and use of mixers only to that country, as if there are no hackers and bad people in other countries of the world.
True, those in power often play dirty games to ensnare those they deem dangerous - the anonymity that comes from having someone build and run a mixer is ideal for such activity.
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Many news report hackers from North Korea use mixer, so it wouldn't be surprising if Russia government also use mixer. And aside from western government going after mixer, there's also possibility might run their own mixer which intended as honey pot. After all, FBI already did that with "privacy" phone called Anom.
I don't think North Korean hackers laundering money through mixers is a huge issue because the Korean War has been over for a long time, and sanctions are only imposed to limit North Korea's nuclear ambitions. North Korea still trades with China but they don't use crypto either.
Russia is conducting an invasion war in Ukraine and is being condemned by the whole world. Using crypto to evade sanctions comes with the possibility of using mixers to avoid being tracked by on-chain data analysts. I'm a bit worried that mixers will also be targeted by Western governments in an effort to prevent Russia from evading sanctions. Well, I don't want MixTum to be in the crosshairs of governments, I still want to use MixTum to mix my BTC.
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Considering that basically every mixer has a Russian language in their website (mix tum included) it is likely that Russians are already mixing a lot of coins..
Yes, I also thought about that in past but at the same time I thought that there's chance that most of those mixer services are owned by Rich Russians who want to make profits from the business model and at the same time help mixer users to have high level of privacy for their coins.
If I'm not wrong then most of the high-end users of the mixers are the ones who invest huge amount in Bitcoin and don't want others to know about their investment. They mainly prioritize privacy over fees and that's why they use mixers. And, there's chance that some of those big investors might be from Russia.
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Considering that basically every mixer has a Russian language in their website (mix tum included) it is likely that Russians are already mixing a lot of coins..
It's nothing strange to see Russian language translation on most of the websites, a lot of people in the world speak that same language even outside of this country borders, but you can't say they are mixing a lot coins.
This would be the same as saying that English people are mostly mixing bitcoin because every mixer has English language translation.
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Most probably heard about Russia's decision to "legalize" crypto transactions and mining, and considering the sanctions that country has, how realistic is it that they might try to use mixers to hide their BTC transactions if they use them for international payments?
Considering that basically every mixer has a Russian language in their website (mix tum included) it is likely that Russians are already mixing a lot of coins..
A lot of shit will go wrong if Russia decides to become my strict on Bitcoin regulations and carrying out fight against privacy in the near future, since Russia seems to be the highest cryptocurrency save heavens at the moment, with tons of privacy aimed projects running there smoothly for a while, even when such services are restricted and banned in some other countries like the US.
Take for example, Bitcoin mining and Bitcoin mixer's, a lot of happening in Russia right now that we can't afford to look away and not taking action to protect the future of privacy.
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I'm a bit worried that mixers will also be targeted by Western governments in an effort to prevent Russia from evading sanctions. Well, I don't want MixTum to be in the crosshairs of governments, I still want to use MixTum to mix my BTC.
MixTum however has one advantage, which is that it is still a premium service with fees that are slightly higher (if I'm not mistaken) than the competition. Somehow it seems to me that people always use the services that are the cheapest first or those that were actually free as was CM - and those are the first to become a target.
In addition, MixTum experience is the greatest among mixers, which probably means that they will know how to protect their business.
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I'm a bit worried that mixers will also be targeted by Western governments in an effort to prevent Russia from evading sanctions. Well, I don't want MixTum to be in the crosshairs of governments, I still want to use MixTum to mix my BTC.
MixTum however has one advantage, which is that it is still a premium service with fees that are slightly higher (if I'm not mistaken) than the competition. Somehow it seems to me that people always use the services that are the cheapest first or those that were actually free as was CM - and those are the first to become a target.
I think the problem with mixers usually happen when they mix large amounts of known illegal funds.
Just like when CM mixed hacked coins from binance . Authorities certainly took a closer look at cm after that.
Certainly it is a difficult decision for a mixer when such situations happen..
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Just like when CM mixed hacked coins from binance . Authorities certainly took a closer look at cm after that.
It's interesting that as soon as they confiscate coins from any services those coins magically become clean and legal again, and they can sell them to all centralized exchanges without problem.
So we could argue that regulators/authorities are actually the biggest mixer in the world, and they are doing the same thing with fiat money and with cryptocurrencies.
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It's interesting that as soon as they confiscate coins from any services those coins magically become clean and legal again, and they can sell them to all centralized exchanges without problem.
So we could argue that regulators/authorities are actually the biggest mixer in the world, and they are doing the same thing with fiat money and with cryptocurrencies.
I think they don't bother with how they should explain the cleaning of those coins that they themselves have labeled as dirty. They think that they have an absolute right to assess, since they themselves invented this system. And this is what creates the problem with regulation. Not the actions themselves, which in fact may not even be implemented, since there are not enough resources and powers. But clinging to labels that the masses are guided by, because this is how myths work. Without confirmation, on the very fact of the belief that someone has enough strength and power to impose sanctions.
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I think the problem with mixers usually happen when they mix large amounts of known illegal funds.
Just like when CM mixed hacked coins from binance . Authorities certainly took a closer look at cm after that.
Certainly it is a difficult decision for a mixer when such situations happen..
I will then ask a very unpopular question when it comes to mixers - can mixers protect themselves by simply rejecting such coins? Usually the public addresses where such coins are located are publicly known, and it would be very easy to say no - although of course this has never been the practice of mixers so far.
What I want to say is that if we start from the assumption that the majority of coins that pass through the mixers are actually legitimate (clean) and are mixed only to protect the privacy of the users, then do the mixers risk their survival just because of a small part of suspicious transactions that happen from time to time?
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This whole issue takes on grotesque forms in my opinion because we try to make an old paradigm work with a new system
like the fact, where do you pay bitcoin taxes? bitcoin you don't own something physical, but it's on the internet, you only have the keys to sign transactions
therefore bitcoin is not in a physical place
same problem, old paradigm, with a new tool... you just have to think differently
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I think the problem with mixers usually happen when they mix large amounts of known illegal funds.
Just like when CM mixed hacked coins from binance . Authorities certainly took a closer look at cm after that.
Certainly it is a difficult decision for a mixer when such situations happen..
I will then ask a very unpopular question when it comes to mixers - can mixers protect themselves by simply rejecting such coins? Usually the public addresses where such coins are located are publicly known, and it would be very easy to say no - although of course this has never been the practice of mixers so far.
Exchanges, even some swap services, will just freeze your coins until you send them your kyc documents if they think your coin is illegal no mixer do that.
There could be some automatic system in mixers that would just refund coins from clearly illegal sources, if that is the mixer policy. But I don't think many mixers would do that..
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like the fact, where do you pay bitcoin taxes? bitcoin you don't own something physical, but it's on the internet, you only have the keys to sign transactions
therefore bitcoin is not in a physical place
Bitcoins are stored on blockchain that is located on physical computer drives.
So many people are using fiat currencies everyday and they are all virtual numbers on screen.
If everyone tried to withdraw all money from their bank accounts this would be impossible, everyone knows this for a fact.
Yet everyone continues to pay tax on something they don't have in physical place, they pay tax on income and on bunch of other things.
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If everyone tried to withdraw all money from their bank accounts this would be impossible, everyone knows this for a fact.
That statement is questionable, it really depends on the sum and the residence of the bank. In some states it is not a problem, you can do this, of course, passing the bureaucracy way. However, I get your point. People often think that crypto is something untouchable, thus risky and unstable, but with fiat they have the same issues. The only difference they don't realise it.
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That statement is questionable, it really depends on the sum and the residence of the bank.
It's not questionable, it's easily proven and banks are even confirming this themselves.
Amount of imaginary numbers on screen is much larger than physical paper bills, and central banks are printing new money from nothing with deb, that is another reasons why we have inflation.
You don't have this problem with Bitcoin, but there are other problems with BTC, that is why it's good to use something like Mixtum.
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Is it just me that the telegram bot doesn't work?
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Is it just me that the telegram bot doesn't work?
I checked the bot by clicking menu -> FAQ, and yeah, it's not working on my side as well.
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MixTum however has one advantage, which is that it is still a premium service with fees that are slightly higher (if I'm not mistaken) than the competition. Somehow it seems to me that people always use the services that are the cheapest first or those that were actually free as was CM - and those are the first to become a target.
In addition, MixTum experience is the greatest among mixers, which probably means that they will know how to protect their business.
I really hope MixTum won't encounter any problems in the future. It's a tool I frequently use for many purposes, primarily to maintain the health of my accounts on CEXs. I don't want my account to have issues with dirty money or be frozen due to deposit-related risks.
Limiting each Mix to a maximum of 50 BTC ~$3M could be a solution to prevent MixTum from being exploited by large organizations with huge amounts of money needing to be mixed. I hope MixTum will find more solutions for this issue, because currently we can't stop anyone from using the MixTum service.
I checked the bot by clicking menu -> FAQ, and yeah, it's not working on my side as well.
I use https://t.me/mixtum_bot but I can’t even /start, hope the MixTum team is fixing this Telegram bot issue.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/18/7I7w2.png)
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(my) update: Checking at this time and nothing, it doesn't work...
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From my side, the telegram bot was not working at all, I mean, never. I even rose this question on Bitcointalk, when the campaign was active, but I was told, that it was just a temporary issue. But now I can see that I am not the only one who faced such a problem.
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To me it is a bit strange to see that mixtum_bot is not working now, in the same time when both mixtum websites are looking to work fine.
Did anyone tried mixing bitcoin using Mixtum recently and can they confirm that service is working fine at the moment or not?
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From my side, the telegram bot was not working at all, I mean, never. I even rose this question on Bitcointalk, when the campaign was active, but I was told, that it was just a temporary issue. But now I can see that I am not the only one who faced such a problem.
If I remember correctly, at the beginning of the year when the mixers moved to Altt, there was also a stoppage in the work of the Mixtum tg bot, but it was repaired.
Are there general statistics on how many users use tg bot for mixing?
To me it is a bit strange to see that mixtum_bot is not working now, in the same time when both mixtum websites are looking to work fine.
Did anyone tried mixing bitcoin using Mixtum recently and can they confirm that service is working fine at the moment or not?
There shouldn't be any problems here with the mixing process itself, because there is a Jambler as an additional layer of security.
Mixtum has an option for (no fee) free testing, I will try it today or tomorrow when I have my wallet with me.
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To me it is a bit strange to see that mixtum_bot is not working now, in the same time when both mixtum websites are looking to work fine.
Did anyone tried mixing bitcoin using Mixtum recently and can they confirm that service is working fine at the moment or not?
Now everything should work (I was informed that the maintenance was completed).
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Friendly bump. ;)
If Mixtum put the campaign on hold, it does not mean that we should forget about this service. They are still reliable for coin mixing
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Friendly bump. ;)
If Mixtum put the campaign on hold, it does not mean that we should forget about this service. They are still reliable for coin mixing
Did they actually put their campaign on HOLD or the manager did. If a project decides to HOLD or STOP their campaign, there's nothing wrong with it. But if they AWOL and the manager haven paid some weeks from his pulse and finally paused the campaign, all is not well.
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Did they actually put their campaign on HOLD or the manager did. If a project decides to HOLD or STOP their campaign, there's nothing wrong with it. But if they AWOL and the manager haven paid some weeks from his pulse and finally paused the campaign, all is not well.
I personally think that MixTum probably decided to hold the campaign for some reason, although they obviously did not communicate this with the manager in time, which led to a situation that is not very pleasant for any manager. What is important is that the service continues to function normally, and the campaign is something completely different.
Let's hope that they will return as soon as possible, although we can still see their ads on the forum.
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But if they AWOL and the manager haven paid some weeks from his pulse and finally paused the campaign, all is not well.
In the case of Mixtum, the guarantor of mixing is jambler.io, you must check the signature before sending and make sure it belongs to jambler.io, if so, you are safe.
The red flag would be if address was signed away from Jambler.
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Did they actually put their campaign on HOLD or the manager did. If a project decides to HOLD or STOP their campaign, there's nothing wrong with it. But if they AWOL and the manager haven paid some weeks from his pulse and finally paused the campaign, all is not well.
I personally think that MixTum probably decided to hold the campaign for some reason, although they obviously did not communicate this with the manager in time, which led to a situation that is not very pleasant for any manager. What is important is that the service continues to function normally, and the campaign is something completely different.
Let's hope that they will return as soon as possible, although we can still see their ads on the forum.
Yeah, probably this is the case, it's probably mis communication with with the manager and we all know that in this business that we move, this happens.
Who knows, maybe they will need to understand that they should be keeping their campaigns so that they will have the maximum exposure that they can get from this community.
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What the CM case also showed is that they kept things (private keys) and who knows what else, even though they claimed that it was all deleted after some time. I remember that I looked at an old wallet from which I did not empty everything, and of course everything disappeared.
We all should remember that mixers are a centralized service, so some trust is always involved.
Some good practices include:
IP data might be stored, so we should use tor.
If or when we receive private keys, we should always transfer funds ASAP to a wallet that no one else has the private keys
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Bump here.
Vacation time is coming to an end, so maybe we could expect some activity from Mixtum. I'm not used to them being quiet via marketing for this long.
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@examplens, in the northern hemisphere, summer has finally ended (at least in our region), although the change is more than drastic, from almost +40 to just over +10 degrees Celsius. Maybe the MX team is waiting for the right moment and will start with new advertising on the wave of the new bull run :)
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Cloudflare captcha is taking longer than usual, I tried accessing the service using multiple browsers but the result is the same, average is between 1-3 minutes. Can anyone confirm this?
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Cloudflare captcha is taking longer than usual, I tried accessing the service using multiple browsers but the result is the same, average is between 1-3 minutes. Can anyone confirm this?
There is an additional CF check, but it took a maximum of 7-8 seconds for the site to load completely. Chrome and Firefox browsers tested.
The onion link is even faster than that.
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Cloudflare captcha is taking longer than usual, I tried accessing the service using multiple browsers but the result is the same, average is between 1-3 minutes. Can anyone confirm this?
There is an additional CF check, but it took a maximum of 7-8 seconds for the site to load completely. Chrome and Firefox browsers tested.
The onion link is even faster than that.
Sometimes though you could be subjected to an endless loop of cloudflare checks, especially if your IP address is marked bad or if you're using a VPN.
It's just a nonsensical way of telling you that "you're not welcome here, please go away" on the side of the website owners (most of whom have no idea that this is happening since this is all handled by cloudflare).
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Wake up on this topic.
I would like to see some movements from Mixtum here. They started quite strong with the promotion, I have to admit that we miss them a bit.
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Sometimes though you could be subjected to an endless loop of cloudflare checks, especially if your IP address is marked bad or if you're using a VPN.
It's just a nonsensical way of telling you that "you're not welcome here, please go away" on the side of the website owners (most of whom have no idea that this is happening since this is all handled by cloudflare).
Sometimes when I use Mixtum through certain VPNs, I have to wait for Mixtum verification or even complete Captchas multiple times. Instead of turning off the VPN, I switch to a different one, and usually, this solves the problem quickly.
I think Mixtum has a feature to detect unusual user IPs, like those from heavily used free VPNs. If users have full trust in Mixtum, they could turn off their VPNs for a smoother and more convenient experience.
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Wake up on this topic.
I would like to see some movements from Mixtum here. They started quite strong with the promotion, I have to admit that we miss them a bit.
I believe a platform like Mixtum has to do some advertisement again in order to get in eyes of the ones who use mixing services, they might be taking a break to see how things work and then after the break they might surprise the community with somewhat higher payment per post in order to show their worth in mixing world.
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I believe a platform like Mixtum has to do some advertisement again in order to get in eyes of the ones who use mixing services, they might be taking a break to see how things work and then after the break they might surprise the community with somewhat higher payment per post in order to show their worth in mixing world.
Advertisement not needed probably. Most of the regulars are using them for mixing any coins they need mixed. I know I am one, I use them on a regular basis.
I think Mixtum has a feature to detect unusual user IPs, like those from heavily used free VPNs. If users have full trust in Mixtum, they could turn off their VPNs for a smoother and more convenient experience.
I don't think so. Remember that the Jambler script used by Mixtum and other mixers is literally just PHP software and most likely does not have access to such information which is usually sold commercially.
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I don't think so. Remember that the Jambler script used by Mixtum and other mixers is literally just PHP software and most likely does not have access to such information which is usually sold commercially.
Beyond Cloudflare's intervention, IP recognition features can be customized during website development to mitigate DDoS attacks on a website infrastructure. I've also frequently encountered endless captchas when accessing certain websites through a VPN, leading me to believe Mixtum might employ similar features.
If you're willing to endure slightly longer wait times, Tor might be the most suitable option to circumvent VPN-related issues. Consider using Tor and onion links for the most anonymous access to Mixtum ^^
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Advertisement not needed probably. Most of the regulars are using them for mixing any coins they need mixed. I know I am one, I use them on a regular basis.
Yes, that's also true the regulars will continue using the platform even without any advertisement but I still believe that it's always better to have some type of advertisement campaign to get attention of new users. In order to get attention of new users it's better to run advertisements from time to time, however the regulars will surely use it even if they don't advertise their platform anymore.
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Advertisement not needed probably. Most of the regulars are using them for mixing any coins they need mixed. I know I am one, I use them on a regular basis.
I would disagree with this.
The biggest companies and the biggest brands are constantly advertising. Maybe the advertisement will not bring a click and a new client every time it is displayed, but it is very important for strengthening the brand.
For example, when we talk about mixers, at the time when Chipmixer was advertised, they were so dominant that we had the feeling that not a single mixer existed anymore.
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Advertisement not needed probably. Most of the regulars are using them for mixing any coins they need mixed. I know I am one, I use them on a regular basis.
It is very likely that users who know the service will continue using the mixer, but without advertising, as you say, how will they manage to attract new users and make their product known to all those who do not know it?. They may use a larger or smaller budget, depending on the benefits, but advertising will always be necessary to become known as a brand. If regular users stopped using the service for some reason, the brand would soon disappear since there would be no new users.
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It is very likely that users who know the service will continue using the mixer, but without advertising, as you say, how will they manage to attract new users and make their product known to all those who do not know it?. They may use a larger or smaller budget, depending on the benefits, but advertising will always be necessary to become known as a brand. If regular users stopped using the service for some reason, the brand would soon disappear since there would be no new users.
It is obvious that there is a business decision behind every decision that some mixer stops advertising their service on this forum. I already wrote that I don't think that the reason is money, considering that the pay rates on this forum are 4-5 times lower than they were on BTT, and that most mixers charge for their service quite solidly if we take into account that their fees are 4-5% + in my opinion too high a fee for miners.
So, in my opinion, there are two possible reasons - the first is that they estimate that the forum is not bringing them the desired results - and the second is that maybe they started a new mixer that they want to give better visibility. I have no doubt that the same people are behind some mixers that exist today.
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I already wrote that I don't think that the reason is money, considering that the pay rates on this forum are 4-5 times lower than they were on BTT,
The Mixtum campaign paid a maximum of $52.5 per week, which was the highest on this forum. Also, (I didn't count precisely) a large number of campaigns on Btt are in the range of $50 per week.
So, in my opinion, there are two possible reasons - the first is that they estimate that the forum is not bringing them the desired results - and the second is that maybe they started a new mixer that they want to give better visibility. I have no doubt that the same people are behind some mixers that exist today.
It is possible, but it would also be strange because every mixer depends exclusively on promotion. You can have a mixer service, but without promotion no one knows about it and no one will use it.
Also, if you are already investing significant money to promote one brand, leaving and switching to a new one would mean that all the previous investment in marketing was a waste of money.
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I already wrote that I don't think that the reason is money, considering that the pay rates on this forum are 4-5 times lower than they were on BTT,
The Mixtum campaign paid a maximum of $52.5 per week, which was the highest on this forum. Also, (I didn't count precisely) a large number of campaigns on Btt are in the range of $50 per week.
There are quite a few that pay between $70 - $100 - just look at this link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.3640). The campaign that MixTum had on BTT paid $210 per week for Legendary members, and I was referring to that difference in pay rates.
So, in my opinion, there are two possible reasons - the first is that they estimate that the forum is not bringing them the desired results - and the second is that maybe they started a new mixer that they want to give better visibility. I have no doubt that the same people are behind some mixers that exist today.
It is possible, but it would also be strange because every mixer depends exclusively on promotion. You can have a mixer service, but without promotion no one knows about it and no one will use it.
Also, if you are already investing significant money to promote one brand, leaving and switching to a new one would mean that all the previous investment in marketing was a waste of money.
The money that goes into advertising is returned if people use mixers, so I wouldn't say it's a waste of money - but from a business perspective it's better if you have more than one mixer that officially have no connection - because that way you increase the chance that you'll have more clients.
As for profitability - if we consider that the average fees are 3-5% and if there are clients who mix 1+ BTC, it is not difficult to calculate what kind of profit we are talking about.
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Also, if you are already investing significant money to promote one brand, leaving and switching to a new one would mean that all the previous investment in marketing was a waste of money.
Yes, that's true, it's always helpful to spend some money on marketing because if marketing is stopped then no new users will learn about a platform and that means the competitors will be at advantage and they'll get more customers because of marketing.
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Yes, that's true, it's always helpful to spend some money on marketing because if marketing is stopped then no new users will learn about a platform and that means the competitors will be at advantage and they'll get more customers because of marketing.
It is possible to promote something even without money, at least to some extent.
For example, the official representative of the mixer could be active here. It's always good to hear someone from the backend, at least occasionally.
This can also be considered a form of promotion, and it's free.
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Bump
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Any news on mixtum? Things are calm here
I was checking their website and found out that they are Redirecting their reviews on altcoinstalks to examplens thread about list of bitcoin mixers.
https://mixtum.io/?reviews
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Any news on mixtum? Things are calm here
Yes, it would be great to see a little of their presence here. At least that's what we're used to from Mixtum
I was checking their website and found out that they are Redirecting their reviews on altcoinstalks to examplens thread about list of bitcoin mixers.
https://mixtum.io/?reviews
I think it's thanks to icopress since the time he managed their marketing campaigns.
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Any news on mixtum? Things are calm here
I was checking their website and found out that they are Redirecting their reviews on altcoinstalks to examplens thread about list of bitcoin mixers.
https://mixtum.io/?reviews
I didn't hear anything from Mixtum in a long time, and I not surprised to see they added AltcoinsTalks forum links.
After ban on bitcointalk forum they don't have any real alternative in clearnet, except if they use some darknet forums for promotion.
Coming back to forum and being more active here can only be a good thing for them.
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After ban on bitcointalk forum they don't have any real alternative in clearnet, except if they use some darknet forums for promotion.
Coming back to forum and being more active here can only be a good thing for them.
Yeah, I agree that this forum is one of their best options. Maybe some other forums, but I don't know them.
Although I think this forum could be improved a lot, specially technically. I believe the SEO is very poor, certainly could be improved in the technical side.... I think the admin should hire someone with skills to do that if he doesnt have time to do. Because I basically cant find anything here when googling
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Yeah, I agree that this forum is one of their best options. Maybe some other forums, but I don't know them.
I was just wondering if there are other tech forums where users can set a signature?
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Yeah, I agree that this forum is one of their best options. Maybe some other forums, but I don't know them.
I was just wondering if there are other tech forums where users can set a signature?
There is one gaming forum, named elitepvpers (https://www.elitepvpers.com/forum/elite-gold-trading/5213253-your-signature-my-advertising-space.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com). There it was allowed to use signature space for advertising something, crypto projects included. I am not sure if it is still popular, but you can check it out.
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Yeah, I agree that this forum is one of their best options. Maybe some other forums, but I don't know them.
I was just wondering if there are other tech forums where users can set a signature?
There is one gaming forum, named elitepvpers (https://www.elitepvpers.com/forum/elite-gold-trading/5213253-your-signature-my-advertising-space.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com). There it was allowed to use signature space for advertising something, crypto projects included. I am not sure if it is still popular, but you can check it out.
Every forum that works on SMF script has such a possibility. One of the reasons the issue of signatures on crypto forums has gone much further is the use of cryptocurrencies as a means of payment.
Imagine a cycling forum, where only a few members actually use cryptocurrencies. How would campaign participants be paid on such a forum? It would have to go through bank accounts and without any privacy.
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I was just wondering if there are other tech forums where users can set a signature?
I checked all tech forums that I know badcaps, gsm forum, gsmhosting and even PS4/5 forum, most of them don't have signature and some of them don't allowed external sites in the signature.
It seems some marketing forum allowed to wear signature but tech forums is a good place if you are going to promote gambling casino not for mixers.
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Imagine a cycling forum, where only a few members actually use cryptocurrencies. How would campaign participants be paid on such a forum? It would have to go through bank accounts and without any privacy.
It might be a good opportunity to actually show people how cryptocurrencies are handy and useful
Certainly most users of such forum would download a wallet for 30 bucks a week.
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Yeah, I agree that this forum is one of their best options. Maybe some other forums, but I don't know them.
I was just wondering if there are other tech forums where users can set a signature?
How about a forum like no other CT?
When I newly joined Bitcointalk, no other CT was more like an alternative to BTT than Altcoinstalks. Who knows about no other CT or who uses it?
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I was just wondering if there are other tech forums where users can set a signature?
There is one forum crypt0t4lk that used signatures few years ago but I think they stopped with paid signature campaigns.
I can't remember exactly but I think one of their services was not favored in bitcointalk forum so they created their own forum.
BeerM0ney forum have promotions and ads but they don't have profile signatures.
It would be interesting to have forum for privacy.
Every forum that works on SMF script has such a possibility. One of the reasons the issue of signatures on crypto forums has gone much further is the use of cryptocurrencies as a means of payment.
It's not only for SMF software, all forums have the option to add some type of signatures if they want.
Modern software means modern sigantures with images/animations.
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/03/qlXTl.png)
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/03/qlXTl.png)
I didn't pay much attention to it because the banner had been present on the forum for quite a while, and it seemed to me that I saw it quite often. Maybe I just remembered it well, and I didn't notice that there was a period when it was absent. In any case, MixTum doesn't let us forget about it, ANN thread is active and lively, and I hope that the signature campaign will soon return here too.
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/03/qlXTl.png)
Hmm, well we can consider it a re-entry, expecting to last long.
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I didn't pay much attention to it because the banner had been present on the forum for quite a while, and it seemed to me that I saw it quite often. Maybe I just remembered it well, and I didn't notice that there was a period when it was absent. In any case, MixTum doesn't let us forget about it, ANN thread is active and lively, and I hope that the signature campaign will soon return here too.
I didn't notice that they are back to the forum until I got the notification from the manager. And the signature campaign is back as well with a long term campaign according to the campaign manager. MixTum was one of the greatest mixer in their former forum and here as well.
More campaigns will make the forum here busy.
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I didn't pay much attention to it because the banner had been present on the forum for quite a while, and it seemed to me that I saw it quite often. Maybe I just remembered it well, and I didn't notice that there was a period when it was absent. In any case, MixTum doesn't let us forget about it, ANN thread is active and lively, and I hope that the signature campaign will soon return here too.
Well, maybe it seemed to me too. At least, I also remembered seeing the Mixtum banner even after they decided to pause the campaign. In any case, the fact that the mixer is returning to this forum and restarting the signature campaign suggests some effect from this kind of advertising, especially in terms of brand recognition.
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Hmm, well we can consider it a re-entry, expecting to last long.
Have you checked your signature? It seems you're wearing the wrong code because there's an extra space and the signature is a bit large compared to others who are wearing the same thing.
Look at there:
(https://i.ibb.co/GvYgwXLK/image.png)
Or am I the only one who sees it?
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/03/qlXTl.png)
Hmm, well we can consider it a re-entry, expecting to last long.
I have as well been seeing this around for some period now, with expectation that they will be up and running within the forum soon.
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
Besides the banner, it is announced that Mixtum will continue their signature campaign. Mixtum surely will be active again in this forum and many people will promote it again. We will have many mixer campaigns again, I think GenesisMix also will provide their campaign as well. It is great to see many mixer campaigns here. And I hope Mixtum will be the most popular one. :)
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
Besides the banner, it is announced that Mixtum will continue their signature campaign. Mixtum surely will be active again in this forum and many people will promote it again. We will have many mixer campaigns again, I think GenesisMix also will provide their campaign as well. It is great to see many mixer campaigns here. And I hope Mixtum will be the most popular one. :)
The beauty of this forum is that mixer companies are welcome in this field industry, because in reality there are still many bitcoin maximalists who still use mixers.
Now about the Mixtum campaign, the members here are happy again because they have the opportunity to campaign for Mixtum once more if they are given the chance. By the way, what is this Genesismix you are talking about? I'm just curious.
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Now about the Mixtum campaign, the members here are happy again because they have the opportunity to campaign for Mixtum once more if they are given the chance. By the way, what is this Genesismix you are talking about? I'm just curious.
If you would look around the ANN section on this forum, I believe you would find the answer to the question that is unclear to you. Given that this is Mixtum ANN, I will not go further and promote or discuss another competing service here.
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
I fully share your hopes. Besides, the Mixtum service has been advertised on this forum for a very long time. Officially, the signature campaign has already been relaunched. This is actually a very positive development for the whole forum, as active discussions on bitcoin mixers will continue.
Now I went to the official website of Mixtum and I really like how much relevant technical information is published there, and even in three languages.
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
Besides the banner, it is announced that Mixtum will continue their signature campaign. Mixtum surely will be active again in this forum and many people will promote it again. We will have many mixer campaigns again, I think GenesisMix also will provide their campaign as well. It is great to see many mixer campaigns here. And I hope Mixtum will be the most popular one. :)
You're right mate, for most time the active mixers here on this forum has been Mixero and Coinomize which is still up and running till now...
I just hope that Mixtum which was once active and is now active again will wax strong and continue for a longer period of time.
Though I've been seeing their banner for some time I was thinking maybe it's just there as an advert that it was once active....
But cheers to Mixtum, it's up again..
Goodluck.
Smaller transactions will be regarded as a donation since it makes no business sense to conduct them, but if you have sent such sum by mistake, contact our help desk.
If I may ask, how possibly can a user mix something lesser than the minimum value when there's always an indication of minimum amount.
Like how will the process even start when there's always a warning indication Minimum amount is x.xxx that it'll end up becoming a donation... (Just want to know).
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Hmm, well we can consider it a re-entry, expecting to last long.
Have you checked your signature? It seems you're wearing the wrong code because there's an extra space and the signature is a bit large compared to others who are wearing the same thing.
Look at there:
Or am I the only one who sees it?
Hmm, seems like you are using the smartphone here on my side in PC mode it looks like this
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/03/qx3vC.png)
Anyway, this thread is not supposed to be discussed if it's wrong I'm sure I can update when the campaign starts officially and there are many other's who are applying in the campaign so if get accepted as a promotor I will update this one..
For the rest Mixers here on ALTT might grow in the coming few months as well, because in bull run many different services start, but old is gold haha.
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Smaller transactions will be regarded as a donation since it makes no business sense to conduct them, but if you have sent such sum by mistake, contact our help desk.
If I may ask, how possibly can a user mix something lesser than the minimum value when there's always an indication of minimum amount.
Like how will the process even start when there's always a warning indication Minimum amount is x.xxx that it'll end up becoming a donation... (Just want to know).
It is my understanding that if you simply send an amount that is less than the minimum designated by the service, then the bitcoins will not even begin to mix, meaning that the mixing process will not begin at all.
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
I fully share your hopes. Besides, the Mixtum service has been advertised on this forum for a very long time. Officially, the signature campaign has already been relaunched. This is actually a very positive development for the whole forum, as active discussions on bitcoin mixers will continue.
Now I went to the official website of Mixtum and I really like how much relevant technical information is published there, and even in three languages.
Yeah, it is good that mixtum is reopen, great to have more mixers signature on the crypto community and on this forum. it is a welcome development to have more discussions on the mixer space and to share vital ideas on the development and the growth of mixers.
This campaign is a big opportunity for members to contribute and gain important knowledge on the mixers space. Good to have Mixtum here!
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Although many do not take care of them, the mixers are important to maintain privacy and it is important that they exist and be used
the more people use it, the less data the curious manage to obtain
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Hmm, seems like you are using the smartphone here on my side in PC mode it looks like this
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/03/qx3vC.png)
Anyway, this thread is not supposed to be discussed if it's wrong I'm sure I can update when the campaign starts officially and there are many other's who are applying in the campaign so if get accepted as a promotor I will update this one..
No I'm using PC it shows the same on my mobile I just tried today.
There might be extra bbcode that makes the mixtum look bigger or have extra space.
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
Good times. And we also had better payments, I remember to see some mixers paying 52 usd per week, which is amost double than what most campaigns are paying (30 usd per week).
Unfortunately, most of those mixers revealed themselves as exit scams... And most of the good ones are still active here, like mixtum
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Hmm, well we can consider it a re-entry, expecting to last long.
Have you checked your signature? It seems you're wearing the wrong code because there's an extra space and the signature is a bit large compared to others who are wearing the same thing.
Look at there:
Or am I the only one who sees it?
Hmm, seems like you are using the smartphone here on my side in PC mode it looks like this
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/03/qx3vC.png)
Anyway, this thread is not supposed to be discussed if it's wrong I'm sure I can update when the campaign starts officially and there are many other's who are applying in the campaign so if get accepted as a promotor I will update this one..
For the rest Mixers here on ALTT might grow in the coming few months as well, because in bull run many different services start, but old is gold haha.
With the recent ban on cryptocurrency mixer campaigns on Bitcointalk, I believe altcoin talk will become the next big destination for various mixers, so for sure it going to be an exciting time ahead thanks to Icopress for bringing this here, and from what I noticed this campaign has been on for a while before the break and now there are back on, so we have all the time to use and support this project.
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Good times. And we also had better payments, I remember to see some mixers paying 52 usd per week, which is amost double than what most campaigns are paying (30 usd per week).
Unfortunately, most of those mixers revealed themselves as exit scams... And most of the good ones are still active here, like mixtum
It is good that more signature campaigns are coming to the forum but the payrate is making most people not to be active and have not teleported their accounts to this side. Though I came to understand that many users or participants are in custom deals which they are receiving higher payrate like other forum. And if any campaign pays higher than others in the forum, we see that massive applications will be submitted.
Aside that I have not used MixTum to mix coins but I will use the service to see how their service looks like. If it is fast as others I have used it not. But I believed they are fast and smooth running.
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Hmm, seems like you are using the smartphone here on my side in PC mode it looks like this
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/03/qx3vC.png)
Anyway, this thread is not supposed to be discussed if it's wrong I'm sure I can update when the campaign starts officially and there are many other's who are applying in the campaign so if get accepted as a promotor I will update this one..
No I'm using PC it shows the same on my mobile I just tried today.
There might be extra bbcode that makes the mixtum look bigger or have extra space.
It's showing on mobile.
All you have to do is to place it on desktop mode
And you can scroll the signature till the end.
Though the forum doesn't show it fully due to layout
You can scroll the signature to the left hand side to the the other portions.
Edit : Desktop mode isn't even necessary.
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No I'm using PC it shows the same on my mobile I just tried today.
There might be extra bbcode that makes the mixtum look bigger or have extra space.
It's showing on mobile.
All you have to do is to place it on desktop mode
And you can scroll the signature till the end.
Though the forum doesn't show it fully due to layout
You can scroll the signature to the left hand side to the the other portions.
Edit : Desktop mode isn't even necessary.
In my phone the mixtum signature has an horizontal scrolling.
Other signatures don't have that scrolling. That can be improve, but it works..
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
The top header advert board is dynamic now. It seems the admin has made it to include more than one advert at a time. It is currently showing Rainbet, one Genesis mix comes up also. It means there's also a provision for mixtum.
If the mixer competition days return, it will be beneficial to us all and including the forum.
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No I'm using PC it shows the same on my mobile I just tried today.
There might be extra bbcode that makes the mixtum look bigger or have extra space.
It's showing on mobile.
All you have to do is to place it on desktop mode
And you can scroll the signature till the end.
Though the forum doesn't show it fully due to layout
You can scroll the signature to the left hand side to the the other portions.
Edit : Desktop mode isn't even necessary.
In my phone the mixtum signature has an horizontal scrolling.
Other signatures don't have that scrolling. That can be improve, but it works..
In context, this is how it looks like in my mobile phone,
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/03/04/0Xqbm.jpeg)
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I saw the Mixtum banner at the top of the page, I'll consider that the first sign of renewed activity in a long time. I hope so, I miss the time when we had 7 mixers with signature campaigns here.
I fully share your hopes. Besides, the Mixtum service has been advertised on this forum for a very long time. Officially, the signature campaign has already been relaunched. This is actually a very positive development for the whole forum, as active discussions on bitcoin mixers will continue.
Now I went to the official website of Mixtum and I really like how much relevant technical information is published there, and even in three languages.
Just like ICOPRESS mentioned in the announcement comment on the signature campaign page, he said he has enough funds to run the campaign for a long period which indeed indicates renewed hope and activities for Mixtum, I wish the team all the best and hope to see more and more mixer project getting promoted here inntJust like ICOPRESS mentioned in the announcement comment on the signature campaign page, he said he has enough funds to run the campaign for long period which indeed indicates renewed hope and activities pf Mixtum, I wish the team all the best and hoping to see more and more mixer project getting promoted here in the forum and under ICOPRESS management or any other forum good managers here this forum and under ICOPRESS management or any other forum good managers
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With the recent ban on cryptocurrency mixer campaigns on Bitcointalk, I believe altcoin talk will become the next big destination for various mixers, so for sure it going to be an exciting time ahead thanks to Icopress for bringing this here, and from what I noticed this campaign has been on for a while before the break and now there are back on, so we have all the time to use and support this project.
There are quite a few reasons for the popularity of altcoins when used in cryptocurrency mixers. Plus, a number of top cryptocurrencies will now be included in the US cryptocurrency reserve soon. The only thing is that in matters of anonymity, some altcoins were embarrassing, so they did not get the popularity they needed among users of cryptocurrency mixers.
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There are quite a few reasons for the popularity of altcoins when used in cryptocurrency mixers. Plus, a number of top cryptocurrencies will now be included in the US cryptocurrency reserve soon. The only thing is that in matters of anonymity, some altcoins were embarrassing, so they did not get the popularity they needed among users of cryptocurrency mixers.
In my opinion, only bitcoin has the potential right to be used as a reserve asset for any country as its a digital gold; other than that, if we look at the recent Trump tweet on X, he is considering some other altcoins as well for the American national reserves like XRP, ADA... After his tweet, ADA got pumped and increased its value to 2x.
On the other hand, the market is way more frustrating because of the Trump effect, haha, as he has imposed tarrifs on many countries, including Mexico, Canada, and China. This thing effects the market sentiments very badly. IMO, it has to be stopped, and it will be, and it cannot carry on for a long time. These countries have to settle up or sort out these tarrif wars after discussing some other beneficial agreements. What do you think of it?
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With the recent ban on cryptocurrency mixer campaigns on Bitcointalk, I believe altcoin talk will become the next big destination for various mixers, so for sure it going to be an exciting time ahead thanks to Icopress for bringing this here, and from what I noticed this campaign has been on for a while before the break and now there are back on, so we have all the time to use and support this project.
There will be more new mixers if regulators in the USA and other countries don't organize another hunt for already existing mixers and accuse them of all sins. Accordingly, over time, this forum may have more signature campaigns like the one Mixtum is running.
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With the recent ban on cryptocurrency mixer campaigns on Bitcointalk, I believe altcoin talk will become the next big destination for various mixers, so for sure it going to be an exciting time ahead thanks to Icopress for bringing this here, and from what I noticed this campaign has been on for a while before the break and now there are back on, so we have all the time to use and support this project.
There will be more new mixers if regulators in the USA and other countries don't organize another hunt for already existing mixers and accuse them of all sins. Accordingly, over time, this forum may have more signature campaigns like the one Mixtum is running.
The ban on mixers was not recent, it has been long and I think the effect has faded off. Meanwhile Mixtum has been launched here previously and I didn't think they would end the campaign considering the small bucks that is paid here. Now that they have returned, it means they are ready for a mega promotion as evidenced in Icopress announcement that funds for several months of promotion is available.
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On the other hand, the market is way more frustrating because of the Trump effect, haha, as he has imposed tarrifs on many countries, including Mexico, Canada, and China. This thing effects the market sentiments very badly. IMO, it has to be stopped, and it will be, and it cannot carry on for a long time. These countries have to settle up or sort out these tarrif wars after discussing some other beneficial agreements. What do you think of it?
The introduction of duties on imported goods has a positive impact on the development of the domestic market, which is one of the priorities of the new US administration. And the global market is adapting, today we see that the bitcoin rate is regaining lost positions and already BTC is trading at a level above 90 thousand dollars.
There will be more new mixers if regulators in the USA and other countries don't organize another hunt for already existing mixers and accuse them of all sins. Accordingly, over time, this forum may have more signature campaigns like the one Mixtum is running.
So far there are no preconditions for this, it is possible that on the contrary there will be a thaw in relation to bitcoin mixers. Even if it will not be the lifting of the ban, but at least it may be the absence of persecution.
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The ban on mixers was not recent, it has been long and I think the effect has faded off. Meanwhile Mixtum has been launched here previously and I didn't think they would end the campaign considering the small bucks that is paid here. Now that they have returned, it means they are ready for a mega promotion as evidenced in Icopress announcement that funds for several months of promotion is available.
Miners will find this forum as a top choice for their promotions so I am not surprised to see such an inflow of members to this forum most members are from bitcointalk.org where mixer promotions were banned recently, altcoin talk is now the first choice and as time goes on we are going to be seeing more and more new mixers campaign.
Just like Mixtum a lot of other Mixers have their signal campaign over here and even Icopress managed multiple mixer campaigns and still counting.
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The introduction of duties on imported goods has a positive impact on the development of the domestic market, which is one of the priorities of the new US administration. And the global market is adapting, today we see that the bitcoin rate is regaining lost positions and already BTC is trading at a level above 90 thousand dollars.
Buddy, You may have some other point of view on this, but these tariff wars also cause inflation for any specific country because the ones who import any goods have to pay additional tax for those goods, so when these goods come to the domestic market, they will be sold at a higher price. In this way, these tarrif wars can cause inflation for any specific countries. That is why I said, "These countries have to settle up or sort out these tarrif wars after discussing some other beneficial agreements".
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MixTum may be one of the oldest running mixers I’ve seen since joining the forum (the only one). To my surprise, they are still running even after several attacks on mixing services, while their other older competitors have either shut down, been seized, or turned out to be scams (not naming them, you know why). Anyway, it’s good to see they’re back again. As a former participant in MixTum’s promotional campaign, I wish them the best of luck!
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MixTum may be one of the oldest running mixers I’ve seen since joining the forum (the only one). To my surprise, they are still running even after several attacks on mixing services, while their other older competitors have either shut down, been seized, or turned out to be scams (not naming them, you know why). Anyway, it’s good to see they’re back again. As a former participant in MixTum’s promotional campaign, I wish them the best of luck!
Yes, mixtum is old and they had a decent pay rate in BTT when they launched. I was surprised why they ended their promotion in this forum at first. They were supposed to run here for a very long time considering that it doesn't cost much to run ads here.
Maybe they were hiding for the unfavorable Biden's administration. Now that the crypto president is here, it seems that the atmosphere is somewhat clear for business. Expect to see many mixers, especially if the bull run holds.
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MixTum may be one of the oldest running mixers I’ve seen since joining the forum (the only one). To my surprise, they are still running even after several attacks on mixing services, while their other older competitors have either shut down, been seized, or turned out to be scams (not naming them, you know why). Anyway, it’s good to see they’re back again. As a former participant in MixTum’s promotional campaign, I wish them the best of luck!
Yes, mixtum is old and they had a decent pay rate in BTT when they launched. I was surprised why they ended their promotion in this forum at first. They were supposed to run here for a very long time considering that it doesn't cost much to run ads here.
Mixtum never left the forum. Their business is not reflected exclusively through the signature campaign. Therefore, there is no basis to say that it is a matter of going back there.
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MixTum may be one of the oldest running mixers I’ve seen since joining the forum (the only one). To my surprise, they are still running even after several attacks on mixing services, while their other older competitors have either shut down, been seized, or turned out to be scams (not naming them, you know why). Anyway, it’s good to see they’re back again. As a former participant in MixTum’s promotional campaign, I wish them the best of luck!
Yes, mixtum is old and they had a decent pay rate in BTT when they launched. I was surprised why they ended their promotion in this forum at first. They were supposed to run here for a very long time considering that it doesn't cost much to run ads here.
Maybe they were hiding for the unfavorable Biden's administration. Now that the crypto president is here, it seems that the atmosphere is somewhat clear for business. Expect to see many mixers, especially if the bull run holds.
Well, I think for now the mixtum team and the signature campaign have done well to some extent and for sure we can say that the resumption pf the signature campaign is an indication of their long-term commitment.
I believe with what the campaign manager ICOPRESS has said, this current campaign round is goi going to run for a long period.
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MixTum may be one of the oldest running mixers I’ve seen since joining the forum (the only one). To my surprise, they are still running even after several attacks on mixing services, while their other older competitors have either shut down, been seized, or turned out to be scams (not naming them, you know why). Anyway, it’s good to see they’re back again. As a former participant in MixTum’s promotional campaign, I wish them the best of luck!
Yes, mixtum is old and they had a decent pay rate in BTT when they launched. I was surprised why they ended their promotion in this forum at first. They were supposed to run here for a very long time considering that it doesn't cost much to run ads here.
Maybe they were hiding for the unfavorable Biden's administration. Now that the crypto president is here, it seems that the atmosphere is somewhat clear for business. Expect to see many mixers, especially if the bull run holds.
Well, I think for now the mixtum team and the signature campaign have done well to some extent and for sure we can say that the resumption pf the signature campaign is an indication of their long-term commitment.
I believe with what the campaign manager ICOPRESS has said, this current campaign round is goi going to run for a long period.
The mixer and campaign were doing pretty well before they paused the campaign and their services were pretty good as well and this return of them is an indication of another good work.
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There will be more new mixers if regulators in the USA and other countries don't organize another hunt for already existing mixers and accuse them of all sins. Accordingly, over time, this forum may have more signature campaigns like the one Mixtum is running.
If the current system proves to be friendly or worse neutral towards mixers.
There are high likelihood that they will be accepted back on BTT.
A step at a time, let's see how Trump views privacy
Though I'm not optimistic about it in the short term.
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You're right mate, for most time the active mixers here on this forum has been Mixero and Coinomize which is still up and running till now... I just hope that Mixtum which was once active and is now active again will wax strong and continue for a longer period of time.
Though I've been seeing their banner for some time I was thinking maybe it's just there as an advert that it was once active....
But cheers to Mixtum, it's up again..
Goodluck.
True. There are 2 mixer campaigns that can last a long time in this forum. Mixtum will follow them, Mixtum will last a long time. Icopress has said clearly in the campaign thread. Anyway, Mixtum is still active until now, they just stopped their signature campaign few months ago. But they returned now, so they will be more active again. Well, good luck for us! I also expect to promote Mixtum for the long run.
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There are quite a few reasons for the popularity of altcoins when used in cryptocurrency mixers. Plus, a number of top cryptocurrencies will now be included in the US cryptocurrency reserve soon. The only thing is that in matters of anonymity, some altcoins were embarrassing, so they did not get the popularity they needed among users of cryptocurrency mixers.
In my opinion, only bitcoin has the potential right to be used as a reserve asset for any country as its a digital gold; other than that, if we look at the recent Trump tweet on X, he is considering some other altcoins as well for the American national reserves like XRP, ADA... After his tweet, ADA got pumped and increased its value to 2x.
On the other hand, the market is way more frustrating because of the Trump effect, haha, as he has imposed tarrifs on many countries, including Mexico, Canada, and China. This thing effects the market sentiments very badly. IMO, it has to be stopped, and it will be, and it cannot carry on for a long time. These countries have to settle up or sort out these tarrif wars after discussing some other beneficial agreements. What do you think of it?
Yes, the tariffs imposed by the US is greatly affecting the market, even the crypto economy is having the impact, However, I think this high tariffs will gradually be absorbed by the crypto market in a short periods.
Now, as concerning the Bitcoin strategic reserve, the addition of some altcoins, Solana, Ada, XRP, Ether tokens is not a bad idea, at least, investors should be able to diversify the investments opportunities on other crypto assets, and also help reduce Bitcoin market dominance factors on the long run.
I think the idea of adding some altcoins is a welcome development, like I mentioned, it will definitely reduce Bitcoin dominance.
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Now, as concerning the Bitcoin strategic reserve, the addition of some altcoins, Solana, Ada, XRP, Ether tokens is not a bad idea, at least, investors should be able to diversify the investments opportunities on other crypto assets, and also help reduce Bitcoin market dominance factors on the long run.
I think the idea of adding some altcoins is a welcome development, like I mentioned, it will definitely reduce Bitcoin dominance.
On the one hand yes, there will be diversification. However, the prices of SOL, XRP, ADA will depend more on the movement of bitcoin as a trendsetter. XRP is still heavily influenced by the large holders of this token. The price of Solana has fallen a lot, although just recently it was up to $300 per unit, the huge number of meme tokens with rug pool in this network discredited it greatly in the end. To ETH some investors have no trust at all for a number of technical reasons, in particular the security of their funds, because blocking is possible. Bitcoin has no such disadvantages, so its dominance may continue for quite natural reasons.
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Now, as concerning the Bitcoin strategic reserve, the addition of some altcoins, Solana, Ada, XRP, Ether tokens is not a bad idea, at least, investors should be able to diversify the investments opportunities on other crypto assets, and also help reduce Bitcoin market dominance factors on the long run.
I think the idea of adding some altcoins is a welcome development, like I mentioned, it will definitely reduce Bitcoin dominance.
On the one hand yes, there will be diversification. However, the prices of SOL, XRP, ADA will depend more on the movement of bitcoin as a trendsetter. XRP is still heavily influenced by the large holders of this token. The price of Solana has fallen a lot, although just recently it was up to $300 per unit, the huge number of meme tokens with rug pool in this network discredited it greatly in the end. To ETH some investors have no trust at all for a number of technical reasons, in particular the security of their funds, because blocking is possible. Bitcoin has no such disadvantages, so its dominance may continue for quite natural reasons.
Bitcoin dominance can't be overstated and you are right in your statement saying that Bitcoin is the most secure asset in the cryptocurrency Industry which is why Bitcoin is always the propelling force for any market movement in the cryptocurrency market.
We have a few other coins that serve as alternatives and we shouldn't forget to mention the strengths and weaknesses of those coins and how we can best interact with them.
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With the recent ban on cryptocurrency mixer campaigns on Bitcointalk, I believe altcoin talk will become the next big destination for various mixers, so for sure it going to be an exciting time ahead thanks to Icopress for bringing this here, and from what I noticed this campaign has been on for a while before the break and now there are back on, so we have all the time to use and support this project.
There will be more new mixers if regulators in the USA and other countries don't organize another hunt for already existing mixers and accuse them of all sins. Accordingly, over time, this forum may have more signature campaigns like the one Mixtum is running.
Your opinion is right, we expect to see more mixers on the forum if there isn't any negative laws haunting them from around the world. Besides, most crypto lovers prefer anonymity especially when it comes to a transfer of huge amount of crypto assets.
From my point of view, the reason of privacy would stem more mixers to come onboard, because privacy has some positive advantages and a corresponding disadvantage when it's misused.
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Now, as concerning the Bitcoin strategic reserve, the addition of some altcoins, Solana, Ada, XRP, Ether tokens is not a bad idea, at least, investors should be able to diversify the investments opportunities on other crypto assets, and also help reduce Bitcoin market dominance factors on the long run.
I think the idea of adding some altcoins is a welcome development, like I mentioned, it will definitely reduce Bitcoin dominance.
On the one hand yes, there will be diversification. However, the prices of SOL, XRP, ADA will depend more on the movement of bitcoin as a trendsetter. XRP is still heavily influenced by the large holders of this token. The price of Solana has fallen a lot, although just recently it was up to $300 per unit, the huge number of meme tokens with rug pool in this network discredited it greatly in the end. To ETH some investors have no trust at all for a number of technical reasons, in particular the security of their funds, because blocking is possible. Bitcoin has no such disadvantages, so its dominance may continue for quite natural reasons.
Bitcoin dominance can't be overstated and you are right in your statement saying that Bitcoin is the most secure asset in the cryptocurrency Industry which is why Bitcoin is always the propelling force for any market movement in the cryptocurrency market.
We have a few other coins that serve as alternatives and we shouldn't forget to mention the strengths and weaknesses of those coins and how we can best interact with them.
Guys, you are going a little off-topic. This is a Mixtum ANN that has almost nothing in common with any altcoin or any speculation about them. We already have too many discussions about Trump and what he says; there's really no need to bury it where it's not even a topic.
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Guys, you are going a little off-topic. This is a Mixtum ANN that has almost nothing in common with any altcoin or any speculation about them. We already have too many discussions about Trump and what he says; there's really no need to bury it where it's not even a topic.
I apologize if it came across that way. We started this discussion back when we suggested that it would be promising to have altcoins in the mixers as well. Then someone disagreed and it started. Mixtum, on the other hand, only works with bitcoin right now. Maybe later on their official website there will be information whether they will work with altcoins at all or not. But then again, maybe some of the users need it.
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(https://i.imgur.com/9HY6lI5.png)
For today I see the banner for MIXTUM is on the main page of the altcoinstalks website and I think this is the right step for the Bitcoin mixer business.
In addition to the signature campaign from Mixtum, I believe the banner is the most appropriate promotion for a business marketing.
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There will be more new mixers if regulators in the USA and other countries don't organize another hunt for already existing mixers and accuse them of all sins. Accordingly, over time, this forum may have more signature campaigns like the one Mixtum is running.
If the current system proves to be friendly or worse neutral towards mixers.
There are high likelihood that they will be accepted back on BTT.
A step at a time, let's see how Trump views privacy
Though I'm not optimistic about it in the short term.
That is another conversation for another day. I think a couple of users have raised the concern in BTT but theymos response showed that accepting mixers back to BTT might not happen anytime soon. I believe more that here will develop the more and grow from here to promote mixers than mixers being accepted back in BTT.
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There will be more new mixers if regulators in the USA and other countries don't organize another hunt for already existing mixers and accuse them of all sins. Accordingly, over time, this forum may have more signature campaigns like the one Mixtum is running.
If the current system proves to be friendly or worse neutral towards mixers.
There are high likelihood that they will be accepted back on BTT.
A step at a time, let's see how Trump views privacy
Though I'm not optimistic about it in the short term.
That is another conversation for another day. I think a couple of users have raised the concern in BTT but theymos response showed that accepting mixers back to BTT might not happen anytime soon. I believe more that here will develop the more and grow from here to promote mixers than mixers being accepted back in BTT.
Mixers promotions are good though, we have seen that his community is very friendly on them. And we have seen lots of mixers moved here already. Some campaigns are still existing since the move and then there are some who stop totally, or coming back here again, or new one popping up.
So I guess there's nothing to worry about the other community not wanting mixers to be promoted, we have it here and with that, this community has grown so much since the moved.
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I apologize if it came across that way. We started this discussion back when we suggested that it would be promising to have altcoins in the mixers as well. Then someone disagreed and it started. Mixtum, on the other hand, only works with bitcoin right now. Maybe later on their official website there will be information whether they will work with altcoins at all or not. But then again, maybe some of the users need it.
If that's so, maybe in some time these mixer services will integrate altcoins in their services as well. As we know, currently Bitcoin is the main asset that is being used to send big payments nationally or internationally, so after the news of adding altcoins in strategic reserves, there may be a chance that mixer services will start to integrate altcoins in their services soon as investors also start to tend to move their amounts in altcoins as well. So, let's see.
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There are quite a few reasons for the popularity of altcoins when used in cryptocurrency mixers. Plus, a number of top cryptocurrencies will now be included in the US cryptocurrency reserve soon. The only thing is that in matters of anonymity, some altcoins were embarrassing, so they did not get the popularity they needed among users of cryptocurrency mixers.
In my opinion, only bitcoin has the potential right to be used as a reserve asset for any country as its a digital gold; other than that, if we look at the recent Trump tweet on X, he is considering some other altcoins as well for the American national reserves like XRP, ADA... After his tweet, ADA got pumped and increased its value to 2x.
On the other hand, the market is way more frustrating because of the Trump effect, haha, as he has imposed tarrifs on many countries, including Mexico, Canada, and China. This thing effects the market sentiments very badly. IMO, it has to be stopped, and it will be, and it cannot carry on for a long time. These countries have to settle up or sort out these tarrif wars after discussing some other beneficial agreements. What do you think of it?
Yes, the tariffs imposed by the US is greatly affecting the market, even the crypto economy is having the impact, However, I think this high tariffs will gradually be absorbed by the crypto market in a short periods.
Now, as concerning the Bitcoin strategic reserve, the addition of some altcoins, Solana, Ada, XRP, Ether tokens is not a bad idea, at least, investors should be able to diversify the investments opportunities on other crypto assets, and also help reduce Bitcoin market dominance factors on the long run.
I think the idea of adding some altcoins is a welcome development, like I mentioned, it will definitely reduce Bitcoin dominance.
Buddy I must tell you that Bitcoin will keep dominating other cryptocurrency, though must of these crypto you mentioned has gotten more trust from some investor but the truth is that Bitcoin remains the only coin in the digital asset settings that can be trusted, when we talk about long term Bitcoin remains the number one, yea adding of those coins you mentioned will boost altcoin relevance in the crypto industry but what i don't see as being possible is for those aforementioned mentioned coins competing closely with Bitcoin, though they will try but Bitcoin will continue to be there master at all time.
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There will be more new mixers if regulators in the USA and other countries don't organize another hunt for already existing mixers and accuse them of all sins. Accordingly, over time, this forum may have more signature campaigns like the one Mixtum is running.
If the current system proves to be friendly or worse neutral towards mixers.
There are high likelihood that they will be accepted back on BTT.
A step at a time, let's see how Trump views privacy
Though I'm not optimistic about it in the short term.
That is another conversation for another day. I think a couple of users have raised the concern in BTT but theymos response showed that accepting mixers back to BTT might not happen anytime soon. I believe more that here will develop the more and grow from here to promote mixers than mixers being accepted back in BTT.
As far as I know, the BTT forum server is in America so that American regulations do not provide access rights for the Bitcoin mixer platform to promote on the BTT forum.
So that every staff, admin or whatever is on the BTT forum does not want to receive any more advertising promotions about the Bitcoin mixer platform, unless maybe they are ready for the risks taken such as being sought by Interpol or the CIA. Cmiiw
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As far as I know, the BTT forum server is in America so that American regulations do not provide access rights for the Bitcoin mixer platform to promote on the BTT forum.
So that every staff, admin or whatever is on the BTT forum does not want to receive any more advertising promotions about the Bitcoin mixer platform, unless maybe they are ready for the risks taken such as being sought by Interpol or the CIA. Cmiiw
No not really
It's not like promoting mixers is illegal in the US
As long as they are not caught laundering illegal funds
Nothing is wrong with them or using their service
Theymos is just been cautious.
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As far as I know, the BTT forum server is in America so that American regulations do not provide access rights for the Bitcoin mixer platform to promote on the BTT forum.
So that every staff, admin or whatever is on the BTT forum does not want to receive any more advertising promotions about the Bitcoin mixer platform, unless maybe they are ready for the risks taken such as being sought by Interpol or the CIA. Cmiiw
No not really
It's not like promoting mixers is illegal in the US
As long as they are not caught laundering illegal funds
Nothing is wrong with them or using their service
Theymos is just been cautious.
Practically, his cautiousness has brought the silence of Mixers in BTT, I don't think there's any running mixers related signature campaign on BTT presently.
I just hope there shouldn't come any link with these bad guys trying to use the mixing service for something illegal, if not, it'll foster the hunting down of most mixers.
So, the project team of these mixers should exercise cautioness just as Theymos to prevent any illegal services with their mixing company.
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As far as I know, the BTT forum server is in America so that American regulations do not provide access rights for the Bitcoin mixer platform to promote on the BTT forum.
So that every staff, admin or whatever is on the BTT forum does not want to receive any more advertising promotions about the Bitcoin mixer platform, unless maybe they are ready for the risks taken such as being sought by Interpol or the CIA. Cmiiw
No not really
It's not like promoting mixers is illegal in the US
As long as they are not caught laundering illegal funds
Nothing is wrong with them or using their service
Theymos is just been cautious.
I also think the same as you and them to think positively about the features of the Bitcoin Mixer but I am sure Theymos or other Staff better be careful so that the Bitcointalk forum does not get Seized by the CIA from promoting the Bitcoin Mixer platform. For reference please check here:
- https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-investigation-leads-takedown-darknet-cryptocurrency-mixer-processed-over-3
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChipMixer
As far as I know, the BTT forum server is in America so that American regulations do not provide access rights for the Bitcoin mixer platform to promote on the BTT forum.
So that every staff, admin or whatever is on the BTT forum does not want to receive any more advertising promotions about the Bitcoin mixer platform, unless maybe they are ready for the risks taken such as being sought by Interpol or the CIA. Cmiiw
No not really
It's not like promoting mixers is illegal in the US
As long as they are not caught laundering illegal funds
Nothing is wrong with them or using their service
Theymos is just been cautious.
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I just hope there shouldn't come any link with these bad guys trying to use the mixing service for something illegal, if not, it'll foster the hunting down of most mixers.
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I also think positively of a project that is being worked on, but when a Bitcoin Mixer project with powerful features is designed to destroy every Bitcoin transaction and then used by bad people, the result will end up being illegal.
Yes, I hope Mixtum will be a better platform than other Bitcoin Mixer projects with all the features that Mixtum has.
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I apologize if it came across that way. We started this discussion back when we suggested that it would be promising to have altcoins in the mixers as well. Then someone disagreed and it started. Mixtum, on the other hand, only works with bitcoin right now. Maybe later on their official website there will be information whether they will work with altcoins at all or not. But then again, maybe some of the users need it.
If that's so, maybe in some time these mixer services will integrate altcoins in their services as well. As we know, currently Bitcoin is the main asset that is being used to send big payments nationally or internationally, so after the news of adding altcoins in strategic reserves, there may be a chance that mixer services will start to integrate altcoins in their services soon as investors also start to tend to move their amounts in altcoins as well. So, let's see.
In general, if you type in Google queries like “Solana mixer” or “Ethereum mixer”, you will get a whole bunch of different links to services. I don't know, some of them may be mixers, but there is a very big chance to get scammed in this way. That's why it would be great if such a reputable mixer as MixTum could expand its functionality, and some people willing to use these services would be found, as it seems to me.
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In general, if you type in Google queries like “Solana mixer” or “Ethereum mixer”, you will get a whole bunch of different links to services. I don't know, some of them may be mixers, but there is a very big chance to get scammed in this way. That's why it would be great if such a reputable mixer as MixTum could expand its functionality, and some people willing to use these services would be found, as it seems to me.
This Google search is very broad and unspecified, so it is really easy to get into scam projects. It is always better to spend time and research offers on the market, especially when it directly concerns your money.
On the other hand, I don’t even know what to advise people who are far from the cryptocurrency sphere and who are out of context. How can they find a reliable mixer? We know that MixTum is one, but we constantly communicate on the forum, monitor services, discuss them and receive feedback from the support service. But what is the action plan for a beginner?
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Now, as concerning the Bitcoin strategic reserve, the addition of some altcoins, Solana, Ada, XRP, Ether tokens is not a bad idea, at least, investors should be able to diversify the investments opportunities on other crypto assets, and also help reduce Bitcoin market dominance factors on the long run.
I think the idea of adding some altcoins is a welcome development, like I mentioned, it will definitely reduce Bitcoin dominance.
On the one hand yes, there will be diversification. However, the prices of SOL, XRP, ADA will depend more on the movement of bitcoin as a trendsetter. XRP is still heavily influenced by the large holders of this token. The price of Solana has fallen a lot, although just recently it was up to $300 per unit, the huge number of meme tokens with rug pool in this network discredited it greatly in the end. To ETH some investors have no trust at all for a number of technical reasons, in particular the security of their funds, because blocking is possible. Bitcoin has no such disadvantages, so its dominance may continue for quite natural reasons.
I agree with you that bitcoin will continue to dominate for some natural reasons. But concerning the strategic reserve news, since the US government are not going to buy new bitcoin but will continue to keep their seized bitcoin in their strategic reserve. What happens to Ada, Sol, xrp ether, are they also not buying them? Do they also own these coins already. I just want to know
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I agree with you that bitcoin will continue to dominate for some natural reasons. But concerning the strategic reserve news, since the US government are not going to buy new bitcoin but will continue to keep their seized bitcoin in their strategic reserve. What happens to Ada, Sol, xrp ether, are they also not buying them? Do they also own these coins already. I just want to know
The co founder of either Solana or Ethereum said the compiling of bitcoin and other decentralized cryptocurrency will be defeated if US stockpile the coins. But I don't think that strategic reserve will affect the decentralization of the cryptocurrency ecosystem. And if US stockpile cryptocurrency. It will make the demand high and supply will be limited and that will make Cryptocurrencies to be more costly and more valued in the world.
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In general, if you type in Google queries like “Solana mixer” or “Ethereum mixer”, you will get a whole bunch of different links to services. I don't know, some of them may be mixers, but there is a very big chance to get scammed in this way. That's why it would be great if such a reputable mixer as MixTum could expand its functionality, and some people willing to use these services would be found, as it seems to me.
Yes, mate, I have a kind of idea about this, as I was exploring this forum and saw that there was another signature campaign of the mixer that was managed by another forum manager, and that was the campaign of the Ethereum mixer, but as we both agree at the same point, it is very easy to get scammed, as many of these services are just made with the intention of doing scams with users. So, if these kinds of reputed services like "MixTum" start to provide altcoin mixing services as well, it will be a bonus point to the users to use the trusted sites/projects to mix their alt amounts.
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Now, as concerning the Bitcoin strategic reserve, the addition of some altcoins, Solana, Ada, XRP, Ether tokens is not a bad idea, at least, investors should be able to diversify the investments opportunities on other crypto assets, and also help reduce Bitcoin market dominance factors on the long run.
I think the idea of adding some altcoins is a welcome development, like I mentioned, it will definitely reduce Bitcoin dominance.
On the one hand yes, there will be diversification. However, the prices of SOL, XRP, ADA will depend more on the movement of bitcoin as a trendsetter. XRP is still heavily influenced by the large holders of this token. The price of Solana has fallen a lot, although just recently it was up to $300 per unit, the huge number of meme tokens with rug pool in this network discredited it greatly in the end. To ETH some investors have no trust at all for a number of technical reasons, in particular the security of their funds, because blocking is possible. Bitcoin has no such disadvantages, so its dominance may continue for quite natural reasons.
I agree with you that bitcoin will continue to dominate for some natural reasons. But concerning the strategic reserve news, since the US government are not going to buy new bitcoin but will continue to keep their seized bitcoin in their strategic reserve. What happens to Ada, Sol, xrp ether, are they also not buying them? Do they also own these coins already. I just want to know
Actually this is a good question, I am still wondering how the US may buy the other tokens besides the seized Bitcoin on the strategic reserve.
I think this question may remain unanswered, except we obtained more information from the US cryptocurrency management departments. Actually, we heard that seized Bitcoin will be on the strategic reserve, but there was no plan on how they intend to buy other tokens on the list of strategic reserve, because there was no information if there are seized Sol, Ada, and XRP tokens like Bitcoin that was seized and has been added to the strategic reserve.
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Yes, mate, I have a kind of idea about this, as I was exploring this forum and saw that there was another signature campaign of the mixer that was managed by another forum manager, and that was the campaign of the Ethereum mixer, but as we both agree at the same point, it is very easy to get scammed, as many of these services are just made with the intention of doing scams with users. So, if these kinds of reputed services like "MixTum" start to provide altcoin mixing services as well, it will be a bonus point to the users to use the trusted sites/projects to mix their alt amounts.
Well Mixtum is not a new one, they are actually re-lunching their promotional campaign after a break.
I know just one service was offering the mixing of ETH in Altcoins and on this forum there was their promotional campaign too, but honestly, I wasn't aware of things like people mixing other coins too except BTC nad ETH.
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Advertisement not needed probably. Most of the regulars are using them for mixing any coins they need mixed. I know I am one, I use them on a regular basis.
I would disagree with this.
The biggest companies and the biggest brands are constantly advertising. Maybe the advertisement will not bring a click and a new client every time it is displayed, but it is very important for strengthening the brand.
For example, when we talk about mixers, at the time when Chipmixer was advertised, they were so dominant that we had the feeling that not a single mixer existed anymore.
Advertising is important in companies irrespective of their status as big or small. If a way of creating awareness to the public about their services and how they've come to serve humanity. I can see that they've relaunch their signature campaign which is the major form of advertising in this forum I hope they achieve their target.
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As far as I know, the BTT forum server is in America so that American regulations do not provide access rights for the Bitcoin mixer platform to promote on the BTT forum.
So that every staff, admin or whatever is on the BTT forum does not want to receive any more advertising promotions about the Bitcoin mixer platform, unless maybe they are ready for the risks taken such as being sought by Interpol or the CIA. Cmiiw
I don't know what the main reason is. However, it is the decision of BTT Admin to exclude Mixer promotion. It is their right, we can't argue about this. But in altcoinstalks forum, we are very happy if there are more Mixer advertisements. We are friendly forum, we accept any crypto advertisement as long as it doesn't bring bad impacts. :)
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As far as I know, the BTT forum server is in America so that American regulations do not provide access rights for the Bitcoin mixer platform to promote on the BTT forum.
So that every staff, admin or whatever is on the BTT forum does not want to receive any more advertising promotions about the Bitcoin mixer platform, unless maybe they are ready for the risks taken such as being sought by Interpol or the CIA. Cmiiw
I don't know what the main reason is. However, it is the decision of BTT Admin to exclude Mixer promotion. It is their right, we can't argue about this. But in altcoinstalks forum, we are very happy if there are more Mixer advertisements. We are friendly forum, we accept any crypto advertisement as long as it doesn't bring bad impacts. :)
Some users on btt are actually hoping that mixer may be given a chance again on btt since Trump is a crypto person have promised to allow the operation of decentralized finances where no government officials will have any form of control, I don't know but maybe mixers also fall under this category when it comes to the type of business they run in crypto.
Others believe that mixers will never be allowed to promote on btt again.
But then, what ever or how ever things turn out in the future, we are happy to have a forum like this where services like mixers still have the opportunity to promote their service freely, what we now owe the ourselves and the forum is to ensure her growth, for the more this from grows, the more more services come around to promote here.
By the way, I am happy to join the MixTum family 👨👨👦, thank you everyone.
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Some users on btt are actually hoping that mixer may be given a chance again on btt since Trump is a crypto person have promised to allow the operation of decentralized finances where no government officials will have any form of control, I don't know but maybe mixers also fall under this category when it comes to the type of business they run in crypto.
Others believe that mixers will never be allowed to promote on btt again.
But then, what ever or how ever things turn out in the future, we are happy to have a forum like this where services like mixers still have the opportunity to promote their service freely, what we now owe the ourselves and the forum is to ensure her growth, for the more this from grows, the more more services come around to promote here.
I'm glad to see optimism about the future of mixers and decentralized finance. If regulations loosen under a more crypto-friendly administration, there's a chance that mixers could regain some level of acceptance on BTT. Regardless of how things unfold, growing the forum benefits everyone — more opportunities, more services, and a stronger crypto community. My advice is to keep supporting the ecosystem and driving innovation.
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Some users on btt are actually hoping that mixer may be given a chance again on btt since Trump is a crypto person have promised to allow the operation of decentralized finances where no government officials will have any form of control, I don't know but maybe mixers also fall under this category when it comes to the type of business they run in crypto.
Yes, theymos only banned mixers due to the anti-Bitcoin stance of the previous U.S. administration. It was more about avoiding blame by redirecting attention to platforms where mixers were being promoted. In the past, many mixers were shut down, but theymos didn’t take action against them until recently... Maybe a consideration, will be given later — next year or sooner.
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On the other hand, I don’t even know what to advise people who are far from the cryptocurrency sphere and who are out of context. How can they find a reliable mixer? We know that MixTum is one, but we constantly communicate on the forum, monitor services, discuss them and receive feedback from the support service. But what is the action plan for a beginner?
anything that made them realised that mixers exist could point them to the right direction.
It all depends on their personal research at the end or they can ask about one that caught their attention in one of these popular discussion boards.
Yes, theymos only banned mixers due to the anti-Bitcoin stance of the previous U.S. administration. It was more about avoiding blame by redirecting attention to platforms where mixers were being promoted. In the past, many mixers were shut down, but theymos didn’t take action against them until recently... Maybe a consideration, will be given later — next year or sooner.
Well we already going on the right direction
I don't expect the government to support mixers but been neutral about it
Is way better than looking at it like a time bomb.
The BSR is a sign that they are leaning towards Cryptocurrency
Just hope this idea doesn't end up a disaster
Cause the success and end between these government would affect the coming government stance towards the community.
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Yes, mate, I have a kind of idea about this, as I was exploring this forum and saw that there was another signature campaign of the mixer that was managed by another forum manager, and that was the campaign of the Ethereum mixer, but as we both agree at the same point, it is very easy to get scammed, as many of these services are just made with the intention of doing scams with users. So, if these kinds of reputed services like "MixTum" start to provide altcoin mixing services as well, it will be a bonus point to the users to use the trusted sites/projects to mix their alt amounts.
Unfortunately, scammers take advantage of users' inattentiveness. I remember last year, there was a case when a user claimed that one of the mixers advertised on this forum allegedly scammed him for 10 BTC. Most likely, that user just got victimized by another phishing site, of which there seem to be a lot in search engines.
Honestly, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the advertising campaigns of Mixtum and other mixers on this forum are useful not only in terms of promoting their brand but also for pushing scammers out of search engine results. I guess this might be because forum pages are well-indexed by search engines.
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As for altcoin mixer services, I wonder if there are any stats on how many users prefer altcoin mixers over BTC mixers.
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Yes, mate, I have a kind of idea about this, as I was exploring this forum and saw that there was another signature campaign of the mixer that was managed by another forum manager, and that was the campaign of the Ethereum mixer, but as we both agree at the same point, it is very easy to get scammed, as many of these services are just made with the intention of doing scams with users. So, if these kinds of reputed services like "MixTum" start to provide altcoin mixing services as well, it will be a bonus point to the users to use the trusted sites/projects to mix their alt amounts.
Unfortunately, scammers take advantage of users' inattentiveness. I remember last year, there was a case when a user claimed that one of the mixers advertised on this forum allegedly scammed him for 10 BTC. Most likely, that user just got victimized by another phishing site, of which there seem to be a lot in search engines.
Honestly, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the advertising campaigns of Mixtum and other mixers on this forum are useful not only in terms of promoting their brand but also for pushing scammers out of search engine results. I guess this might be because forum pages are well-indexed by search engines.
Yeah, you are absolutely right, I can tell you for sure that there have been a lot of times when I want to visit a casino (for example) which I don't know the exact url to type into my browser, instead of searching that casino on Google, I simply will enter the forum and find it on a user's signature ad and enter the casino from there, this is to avoid getting on the wrong copy of the site I intended visiting.
So, signature ads isn't just about getting more people to know about the service being advertised, it also provides people with immediate available and trusted link to the service, reducing the chances of a prospective customer ending up on an impersonating site.
And about the user who lost 10 btc to a mixer, yeah, it was Unijoin actually,, the user visited a fake Unijoin website and lost 10 bitcoin to scammer who created the fake site - this is if his story was real anyway.
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As far as I know, the BTT forum server is in America so that American regulations do not provide access rights for the Bitcoin mixer platform to promote on the BTT forum.
So that every staff, admin or whatever is on the BTT forum does not want to receive any more advertising promotions about the Bitcoin mixer platform, unless maybe they are ready for the risks taken such as being sought by Interpol or the CIA. Cmiiw
I don't know what the main reason is. However, it is the decision of BTT Admin to exclude Mixer promotion. It is their right, we can't argue about this. But in altcoinstalks forum, we are very happy if there are more Mixer advertisements. We are friendly forum, we accept any crypto advertisement as long as it doesn't bring bad impacts. :)
I like the last phrases of your post. You said we are friendly and happy with mixers here. Also we were happy and also friendly with mixers in BTT until the ban happened.
You also said that we will continue to be happy and promoting them in as much as their activities don't negatively impact the forum. You can take it that mixer activity negatively impacted the other forum, which is the reason for the ban. Now BTT is just all about casinos
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Unfortunately, scammers take advantage of users' inattentiveness. I remember last year, there was a case when a user claimed that one of the mixers advertised on this forum allegedly scammed him for 10 BTC. Most likely, that user just got victimized by another phishing site, of which there seem to be a lot in search engines.
Honestly, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the advertising campaigns of Mixtum and other mixers on this forum are useful not only in terms of promoting their brand but also for pushing scammers out of search engine results. I guess this might be because forum pages are well-indexed by search engines.
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As for altcoin mixer services, I wonder if there are any stats on how many users prefer altcoin mixers over BTC mixers.
Yes, dear, These signature campaigns on this forum work as the backlink for any mixer campaign; with the help of these signature backlinks, these trusted mixers rank higher in the Google search engine, and as a result, the chances of getting scammed for the users get reduced.
Other than that, I know everyone will prefer to mix BTC rather than any altcoin, but I was saying this because I am seeing altcoins trending because of Trump adding altcoins in US national strategic reserves. So, maybe there may be a chance that people will start to mix altcoins as well. What do you think?
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Unfortunately, scammers take advantage of users' inattentiveness. I remember last year, there was a case when a user claimed that one of the mixers advertised on this forum allegedly scammed him for 10 BTC. Most likely, that user just got victimized by another phishing site, of which there seem to be a lot in search engines.
Honestly, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the advertising campaigns of Mixtum and other mixers on this forum are useful not only in terms of promoting their brand but also for pushing scammers out of search engine results. I guess this might be because forum pages are well-indexed by search engines.
p.s.
As for altcoin mixer services, I wonder if there are any stats on how many users prefer altcoin mixers over BTC mixers.
Yes, dear, These signature campaigns on this forum work as the backlink for any mixer campaign; with the help of these signature backlinks, these trusted mixers rank higher in the Google search engine, and as a result, the chances of getting scammed for the users get reduced.
Other than that, I know everyone will prefer to mix BTC rather than any altcoin, but I was saying this because I am seeing altcoins trending because of Trump adding altcoins in US national strategic reserves. So, maybe there may be a chance that people will start to mix altcoins as well. What do you think?
The idea of mixers came because of bitcoin, the transparent Blockchain and more. And it will also remain dominant with mixers. All through my stay in the industry, I have never heard of altcoins mixers, except for one Ethereum mixer I saw in this forum. I wonder why they didn't sustain their campaign here in order to establish their brand.
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The idea of mixers came because of bitcoin, the transparent Blockchain and more. And it will also remain dominant with mixers. All through my stay in the industry, I have never heard of altcoins mixers, except for one Ethereum mixer I saw in this forum. I wonder why they didn't sustain their campaign here in order to establish their brand.
The last Ethereum mixer has gone into oblivion. It is offline now. As far as I know, there were no accusations that could be characterized as an exit scam. Earlier, I advocated the position that a larger number of mixers is needed to push each other to deliver the highest quality service possible. However, a long period is needed to prove it, and until then, we stick to reliable and proven mixer services.
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I think for now, Bitcoin remains the available mixer on the crypto economy, and there may arrive altcoins mixers in the future, The Etheruem mixer that was launched few weeks ago tuned unsuccessful.
I think that as adoptions increases, which is most likely, there is the possibility of strong altcoins mixers like Ether, Sol, mixers in my opinion. As we know on the crypto ecosystem, nothing can be rule out, and in near future, there shall be many developments.
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The idea of mixers came because of bitcoin, the transparent Blockchain and more. And it will also remain dominant with mixers. All through my stay in the industry, I have never heard of altcoins mixers, except for one Ethereum mixer I saw in this forum. I wonder why they didn't sustain their campaign here in order to establish their brand.
The last Ethereum mixer has gone into oblivion. It is offline now. As far as I know, there were no accusations that could be characterized as an exit scam. Earlier, I advocated the position that a larger number of mixers is needed to push each other to deliver the highest quality service possible. However, a long period is needed to prove it, and until then, we stick to reliable and proven mixer services.
The nature of mixer is not like casinos/gambling and to work together will be very hard since a vast majority of mixers are operated by bad actors for illegal purposes and that is the reason why they get closed down after sometimes of the operations.
This made the few legit mixers find it hard to build popularity on a collective note and for that we can say that they will have to act independently instead of thinking of working together with other mixers companies.
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The idea of mixers came because of bitcoin, the transparent Blockchain and more. And it will also remain dominant with mixers. All through my stay in the industry, I have never heard of altcoins mixers, except for one Ethereum mixer I saw in this forum. I wonder why they didn't sustain their campaign here in order to establish their brand.
It's mainly due to popularity of Bitcoin, the openness of Bitcoin Blockchain and it's pseudo-anonymous nature that there is need of Bitcoin mixers to hide record of your Bitcoin transaction. The alts don't have Bitcoin sort of Blockchain so they don't need any mixers.
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I was thinking if there should be a drop down button to select other Cryptocurrencies if someone wants to mix them. Even though the mixers are only foe bitcoin there should be option so that others can be mixed as well.
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Yes, theymos only banned mixers due to the anti-Bitcoin stance of the previous U.S. administration. It was more about avoiding blame by redirecting attention to platforms where mixers were being promoted. In the past, many mixers were shut down, but theymos didn’t take action against them until recently... Maybe a consideration, will be given later — next year or sooner.
I doubt theymos decision would ever change, and I would say the same for US government.
Biggest issue happened after one government agency created account in forum and warned everyone if forum about one mixer with seized domain.
Most of the people who visited bitcointalk forum are now aware that all mixers including Mixtum moved to AltcoinsTalks forum.
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Yes, theymos only banned mixers due to the anti-Bitcoin stance of the previous U.S. administration. It was more about avoiding blame by redirecting attention to platforms where mixers were being promoted. In the past, many mixers were shut down, but theymos didn’t take action against them until recently... Maybe a consideration, will be given later — next year or sooner.
I doubt theymos decision would ever change, and I would say the same for US government.
Biggest issue happened after one government agency created account in forum and warned everyone if forum about one mixer with seized domain.
Most of the people who visited bitcointalk forum are now aware that all mixers including Mixtum moved to AltcoinsTalks forum.
The US governments positive response to cryptocurrency and Trumps announcement that America will be the capital of Bitcoin indicate a change of heart. Theymos may later look back on his decision in a positive light.
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Yes, theymos only banned mixers due to the anti-Bitcoin stance of the previous U.S. administration. It was more about avoiding blame by redirecting attention to platforms where mixers were being promoted. In the past, many mixers were shut down, but theymos didn’t take action against them until recently... Maybe a consideration, will be given later — next year or sooner.
I doubt theymos decision would ever change, and I would say the same for US government.
Biggest issue happened after one government agency created account in forum and warned everyone if forum about one mixer with seized domain.
Most of the people who visited bitcointalk forum are now aware that all mixers including Mixtum moved to AltcoinsTalks forum.
The US governments positive response to cryptocurrency and Trumps announcement that America will be the capital of Bitcoin indicate a change of heart. Theymos may later look back on his decision in a positive light.
Let's put the topic of whether or not thermos is going to lift the ban on bitcoin mixers advertisements in the bitcointalk forum aside and focus on the services that these mixers offer that help our privacy, and we should not think that only bitcoin talk generated traffics for mixers although bitcoin talk is one of the highest and this altcointalks also is doing it best and as alternatives to bitcointalk.
The fact is that the current United States is pro-bitcoin and at that we should expect some positive moves that provide more accommodating space foe bitcoin-related services such as mixers and bitcoin mining and others.
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The idea of mixers came because of bitcoin, the transparent Blockchain and more. And it will also remain dominant with mixers. All through my stay in the industry, I have never heard of altcoins mixers, except for one Ethereum mixer I saw in this forum. I wonder why they didn't sustain their campaign here in order to establish their brand.
The last Ethereum mixer has gone into oblivion. It is offline now. As far as I know, there were no accusations that could be characterized as an exit scam. Earlier, I advocated the position that a larger number of mixers is needed to push each other to deliver the highest quality service possible. However, a long period is needed to prove it, and until then, we stick to reliable and proven mixer services.
Well, it could be that they winded up because no liquidity, lack of patronage or they are figuring out the best way to come back big. I remember that I visited that site but could not do anything because I don't own any fraction of Ethereum. I don't know why, since my arrival in this industry, I have never had Ethereum in my portfolio.
Any altcoins man who needs privacy can easily use monero instead of trying to mix an altcoin.
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The US governments positive response to cryptocurrency and Trumps announcement that America will be the capital of Bitcoin indicate a change of heart. Theymos may later look back on his decision in a positive light.
Well, the US government has positive response for Bitcoin but still they are against the mixers and that's why I believe that Theymos will not change his decision and he won't lift ban of mixers.
Now, for mixers Altcoinstalks is a much better and safe place than Bitcointalk and we as a community understand that.
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Well, the US government has positive response for Bitcoin but still they are against the mixers and that's why I believe that Theymos will not change his decision and he won't lift ban of mixers.
Now, for mixers Altcoinstalks is a much better and safe place than Bitcointalk and we as a community understand that.
Hi there mate, hope you're doing well haha its my interaction with you after a long time, Well, honestly, in my opinion, we all know that Bitcointalk generates more traffic as compared to Altcointalk. In case these mixers find any relaxation or any positive indication from the US government, they obviously start to move their signature services on Bitcointalk as well.
Along with the relief permission of the American government, theymos permission also matters here, and some days ago, I was reading a post from a senior member of my community. He wrote that theymos may consider to welcome these services again on the forum if he finds any relaxation from the US government. So, hope for the best to happen this soon!
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Well, the US government has positive response for Bitcoin but still they are against the mixers
I still don't see much positive response from there. I don't trust Trump.
Otherwise, if the US has announced that the seized Bitcoin will go to strategic reserves, how long will it take them to make a decision to put more pressure on various services and confiscate BTC? Why would they pay for Bitcoin when they can simply seize it away from someone? At the same time, we assume which industry will be the first to be hit here.
This scenario is closer to the Trump administration than the friendly relationship that is being talked about.
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Well, the US government has positive response for Bitcoin but still they are against the mixers
I still don't see much positive response from there. I don't trust Trump.
Otherwise, if the US has announced that the seized Bitcoin will go to strategic reserves, how long will it take them to make a decision to put more pressure on various services and confiscate BTC? Why would they pay for Bitcoin when they can simply seize it away from someone? At the same time, we assume which industry will be the first to be hit here.
This scenario is closer to the Trump administration than the friendly relationship that is being talked about.
I have never thought of this from this angle you came from. Are you saying that US is not supposed to seize bitcoin used for fraudulent activities? If they have the right and sure the bitcoin they seized were actually from fraud, there's no problem using it as a reserve. Do you prefer they sell the BTC off, or give it back to the fraudulent owners, or do you mean it should have never been seized at first.
I don't want to welcome the thought that Trump administration will go about victimising bitcoin owners in the quest for acquiring bitcoin.
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I have never thought of this from this angle you came from. Are you saying that US is not supposed to seize bitcoin used for fraudulent activities? If they have the right and sure the bitcoin they seized were actually from fraud, there's no problem using it as a reserve. Do you prefer they sell the BTC off, or give it back to the fraudulent owners, or do you mean it should have never been seized at first.
Every case is for itself.
For example, you get Bitcoin for some of your legal work. Later, it was determined that several transactions earlier the same Bitcoin passed through the tainted wallet, and this caused the confiscation of your coins. So, is it made for you? And what can you do in that case, except forget about your earned money?
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Every case is for itself.
For example, you get Bitcoin for some of your legal work. Later, it was determined that several transactions earlier the same Bitcoin passed through the tainted wallet, and this caused the confiscation of your coins. So, is it made for you? And what can you do in that case, except forget about your earned money?
And this happened to SB mixer users and people who participated in their signature campaign.
In the end, some users got funds frozen in binance , and some users were able to send coins to other mixers or kyc free exchanges like exch.cx
This can happen to anyone.
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I have never thought of this from this angle you came from. Are you saying that US is not supposed to seize bitcoin used for fraudulent activities? If they have the right and sure the bitcoin they seized were actually from fraud, there's no problem using it as a reserve. Do you prefer they sell the BTC off, or give it back to the fraudulent owners, or do you mean it should have never been seized at first.
Every case is for itself.
For example, you get Bitcoin for some of your legal work. Later, it was determined that several transactions earlier the same Bitcoin passed through the tainted wallet, and this caused the confiscation of your coins. So, is it made for you? And what can you do in that case, except forget about your earned money?
Well, definitely forgetting about the money is the surest thing to do since no one can go into a fight with the government, but not every one though, if what you said or assuming happens to a really powerful person in the country, I believe he will surely go into battle with the government to try to get his or her funds back, this is true specially if the person is super sure that the money or bitcoin in question was gotten genuinely from a verifiable legal business.
I don't know about funds gotten from promoting mixers since the last US government (not talking about the present one since we are yet to find out what their stance on mixers is) could turn the case in their favor by simply telling the court the fund was gotten from promoting an illegal business/service. 😁
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Hi there mate, hope you're doing well haha its my interaction with you after a long time,
Hi there buddy, yes long time I haven't seen your posts but it's good to see you here again and congratulations on getting promoted to higher rank.
He wrote that theymos may consider to welcome these services again on the forum if he finds any relaxation from the US government. So, hope for the best to happen this soon!
Well, I agree with your point that Bitcointalk has more traffic than this forum but it has become hub for mixers after Bitcointalk's mixer ban and for now this forum is still a good and secure place for mixers and even if in future Theymos allows mixers to advertise on Bitcointalk, they'll still remain on this forum and overtime this forum will also get more and more traffic and there's chance that in coming months we may see higher pay rates on this forum as well.
Why would they pay for Bitcoin when they can simply seize it away from someone?
That's a point but still for that they'll have to change some of their rules and reduce those high level restrictions on privacy related services.
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Hi there mate, hope you're doing well haha its my interaction with you after a long time,
Hi there buddy, yes long time I haven't seen your posts but it's good to see you here again and congratulations on getting promoted to higher rank.
He wrote that theymos may consider to welcome these services again on the forum if he finds any relaxation from the US government. So, hope for the best to happen this soon!
Well, I agree with your point that Bitcointalk has more traffic than this forum but it has become hub for mixers after Bitcointalk's mixer ban and for now this forum is still a good and secure place for mixers and even if in future Theymos allows mixers to advertise on Bitcointalk, they'll still remain on this forum and overtime this forum will also get more and more traffic and there's chance that in coming months we may see higher pay rates on this forum as well.
Why would they pay for Bitcoin when they can simply seize it away from someone?
That's a point but still for that they'll have to change some of their rules and reduce those high level restrictions on privacy related services.
I must emphasize that, "Rome was not built in one day", it was actually a gradual process for this forum until the present day. This forum is doing perfectly well, running mixers campaign for over a year is great, and the future is very bright. Hopefully, we will be seeing more signatures campaign on mixers, Casinos and others with bigger payments in near future.
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Well, definitely forgetting about the money is the surest thing to do since no one can go into a fight with the government, but not every one though, if what you said or assuming happens to a really powerful person in the country, I believe he will surely go into battle with the government to try to get his or her funds back, this is true specially if the person is super sure that the money or bitcoin in question was gotten genuinely from a verifiable legal business.
This shows the importance of power but although that doesn't disrupt the fact that when the masses come together they can question these policies of the government against genuinely gotten bitcoin that went through mixers if the victim possibly find a way of making it known to the public.
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Well, definitely forgetting about the money is the surest thing to do since no one can go into a fight with the government, but not every one though, if what you said or assuming happens to a really powerful person in the country, I believe he will surely go into battle with the government to try to get his or her funds back, this is true specially if the person is super sure that the money or bitcoin in question was gotten genuinely from a verifiable legal business.
This shows the importance of power but although that doesn't disrupt the fact that when the masses come together they can question these policies of the government against genuinely gotten bitcoin that went through mixers if the victim possibly find a way of making it known to the public.
The responsibility of protecting customers' funds is in the hands of the mixers themselves and not the customer trying to prove the source of the Bitcoin whenever a seize-on mixer happens, and most of the mixers that have been seized in the past are all bad actors and a source and destination for most global hacking and stealing of Bitcoin from a legit platform that deals on Bitcoin related service such an as exchange hacks and casinos hack which, like Sinban it was used to mix a major part of big hack coins.
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I don't know about funds gotten from promoting mixers since the last US government (not talking about the present one since we are yet to find out what their stance on mixers is) could turn the case in their favor by simply telling the court the fund was gotten from promoting an illegal business/service. 😁
Let's ignore the powerful for a moment, but let's look at us, ordinary people.
For example, you develop a web platform for my legal business. I pay you with Bitcoin, which previously went through the mixer and maybe at some point before it came into my possession, that Bitcoin was marked as tainted. It happens that your funds are blocked.
So, after 6 months of your legitimate work, I paid you everything regularly, but your bitcoins were seized because of some of their ancient history.
How reasonable is such treatment?
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I don't know about funds gotten from promoting mixers since the last US government (not talking about the present one since we are yet to find out what their stance on mixers is) could turn the case in their favor by simply telling the court the fund was gotten from promoting an illegal business/service. 😁
I think the current U.S. administration will take a more measured approach to mixers and won't organize a "witch hunt" like the previous one did. As an example, just compare how the SEC operates now with how it did in previous years. I think it's already noticeable, in such a short period, that the SEC has changed its attitude toward the crypto industry positively.
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Let's ignore the powerful for a moment, but let's look at us, ordinary people.
For example, you develop a web platform for my legal business. I pay you with Bitcoin, which previously went through the mixer and maybe at some point before it came into my possession, that Bitcoin was marked as tainted. It happens that your funds are blocked.
So, after 6 months of your legitimate work, I paid you everything regularly, but your bitcoins were seized because of some of their ancient history.
How reasonable is such treatment?
Of course, it's wrong. It’s like your employer paying your salary, only for the bank to block it, claiming the money was tied to illicit activities. If that’s the case, then we’d need a system to track all bitcoins and filter out those involved in shady dealings. But an honest person who receives them isn't at fault. If this happens, there should be some form of compensation. But since cryptocurrency is decentralized, who would provide it? Without regulation, it’s a complex issue—but does crypto even need regulation?
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Of course, it's wrong. It’s like your employer paying your salary, only for the bank to block it, claiming the money was tied to illicit activities. If that’s the case, then we’d need a system to track all bitcoins and filter out those involved in shady dealings. But an honest person who receives them isn't at fault. If this happens, there should be some form of compensation. But since cryptocurrency is decentralized, who would provide it? Without regulation, it’s a complex issue—but does crypto even need regulation?
I believe that blocking bitcoins and tracking them completely is a fundamentally wrong measure, which also does not help solve the problem it claims to be about. Namely, such measures do not combat illegal activity. It is the people who commit such activity that need to be tracked and restricted, not the money in any form. Otherwise, such stories often end with the accounts being frozen, and the real criminal remaining at large. And yes, it becomes a little more difficult for him, but he can open another account and continue doing what he was doing.
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I don't know about funds gotten from promoting mixers since the last US government (not talking about the present one since we are yet to find out what their stance on mixers is) could turn the case in their favor by simply telling the court the fund was gotten from promoting an illegal business/service. 😁
Let's ignore the powerful for a moment, but let's look at us, ordinary people.
For example, you develop a web platform for my legal business. I pay you with Bitcoin, which previously went through the mixer and maybe at some point before it came into my possession, that Bitcoin was marked as tainted. It happens that your funds are blocked.
So, after 6 months of your legitimate work, I paid you everything regularly, but your bitcoins were seized because of some of their ancient history.
How reasonable is such treatment?
When two individuals are transacting bitcoin in exchange for a service, there isn't such risk.
The risk comes when some of the parties decide to send the coins to a centralized exchange, and then the CEX decide to block the funds. Then, one of the parties gets fucked up.
I don't think this is common, and certainly this is a problem for bitcoin community in general, because this is will be a problem for adoption.
So far, I have never had problems with coins that I received from mixers or casinos, with the exception of SB coins (which I was able to trade them for other ones using mixers and kyc-free exchanges)
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I have never thought of this from this angle you came from. Are you saying that US is not supposed to seize bitcoin used for fraudulent activities? If they have the right and sure the bitcoin they seized were actually from fraud, there's no problem using it as a reserve. Do you prefer they sell the BTC off, or give it back to the fraudulent owners, or do you mean it should have never been seized at first.
Every case is for itself.
For example, you get Bitcoin for some of your legal work. Later, it was determined that several transactions earlier the same Bitcoin passed through the tainted wallet, and this caused the confiscation of your coins. So, is it made for you? And what can you do in that case, except forget about your earned money?
Now I understand and it's unfortunate there's nothing much that would be done in such a situation than give up.
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Congratulations and thanks for the opportunity.
What does the card do for us?
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Congratulations and thanks for the opportunity.
What does the card do for us?
This is a collectible item with a custom Bitcoin address and a hologram underneath which is the private key.
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Congratulations and thanks for the opportunity.
What does the card do for us?
This is a collectible item with a custom Bitcoin address and a hologram underneath which is the private key.
I would say a cold wallet with a collectible value. ;)
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The risk comes when some of the parties decide to send the coins to a centralized exchange, and then the CEX decide to block the funds. Then, one of the parties gets fucked up.
I don't think this is common, and certainly this is a problem for bitcoin community in general, because this is will be a problem for adoption.
Big centralized exchanges are the problem and they usually never caught big evil hackers, but only regular small users.
In theory they can one day decide that coins coming from different countries, casinos, or from unknown and unverified sources, will all get frozen and seized.
I wish Bitcoin adopted privacy in similar way like monero, than we wouldn't have this conversation at all.
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Good luck to everyone who has joined and to those who will still participate. I secured my spot early by keeping track of this thread's replies. 😅
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Congratulations and thanks for the opportunity.
What does the card do for us?
This is a collectible item with a custom Bitcoin address and a hologram underneath which is the private key.
Oh!
A great deal. A nice initiative...
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I believe that blocking bitcoins and tracking them completely is a fundamentally wrong measure, which also does not help solve the problem it claims to be about. Namely, such measures do not combat illegal activity. It is the people who commit such activity that need to be tracked and restricted, not the money in any form. Otherwise, such stories often end with the accounts being frozen, and the real criminal remaining at large. And yes, it becomes a little more difficult for him, but he can open another account and continue doing what he was doing.
There's a silver lining to this: blocking tainted Bitcoin reduces its circulation, which in turn increases its value—a big win for us holders.
I wish Bitcoin adopted privacy in similar way like monero, than we wouldn't have this conversation at all.
A high-stakes game with privacy. We all know how authorities view anonymity—it’s often their first red flag for something illegal. I wouldn’t want Bitcoin to be classified that way.
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It seems the number of participants is limited. I just checked the thread, and it seems all the slots are taken. I assume I cannot submit a number that has already been posted by others, right? If so, then I guess all slots are filled, and the thread will be updated when you come back online. I missed this time, but I hope I won't miss it next one. I once won a card from a different raffle, which I decided to gift my friend Gazeta. If I win something in the future, this time, I may want to take it for myself. Wish me luck inspace!
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Hi there buddy, yes long time I haven't seen your posts but it's good to see you here again and congratulations on getting promoted to higher rank.
Many thanks, mate! Last time I was a full member here when we interacted, and you remember that as well. Nice! ❤
Well, I agree with your point that Bitcointalk has more traffic than this forum but it has become hub for mixers after Bitcointalk's mixer ban and for now this forum is still a good and secure place for mixers and even if in future Theymos allows mixers to advertise on Bitcointalk, they'll still remain on this forum and overtime this forum will also get more and more traffic and there's chance that in coming months we may see higher pay rates on this forum as well.
Yes, you are right for the current time this forum has become the hub for mixer campaigns as once bitcointalk was and if Theymos allow mixers campaign to run there on BTT i beleive these campaigns will not stop their services here as well! and in this way these mixers will be able to target more tarrfic for their platforms. What do you think?
On the other hand, as you aforementioned there is a probability that we can see higher pay rates on this forum in comming months so this thing will be the plus point for this forum members.
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I wish Bitcoin adopted privacy in similar way like monero, than we wouldn't have this conversation at all.
If bitcoin did that, it wouldn't have grow so much.
Transparency is important for a world wide financial asset. Bitcoin openness is one of the reasons that made it so big
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If bitcoin did that, it wouldn't have grow so much.
Transparency is important for a world wide financial asset. Bitcoin openness is one of the reasons that made it so big
I am sure Bitcoin would grow all the same, maybe even more, and Edward Snowden was right when he warned us to include privacy on Bitcoin layer.
Transparency can and will be turned against us, and there are many more problems down the line with this fake ''blacklist'' of addresses.
We need money for people, not speculation asset that can easily be manipulated.
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I remember when the manager of the SB signature campaign at that time Rose raised the issues as regards his wallet getting detected and he was involved in a legal battle at that time, I don't know how that issue was resolved anyways but yeah anyone can be a victim of receiving a dented coins ans some exchange have this rules that any bitcoin from a mixer or casinos are dent coins and raising suspensions.
Every case is for itself.
For example, you get Bitcoin for some of your legal work. Later, it was determined that several transactions earlier the same Bitcoin passed through the tainted wallet, and this caused the confiscation of your coins. So, is it made for you? And what can you do in that case, except forget about your earned money?
And this happened to SB mixer users and people who participated in their signature campaign.
In the end, some users got funds frozen in binance , and some users were able to send coins to other mixers or kyc free exchanges like exch.cx
This can happen to anyone.
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I am sure Bitcoin would grow all the same, maybe even more, and Edward Snowden was right when he warned us to include privacy on Bitcoin layer.
Transparency can and will be turned against us, and there are many more problems down the line with this fake ''blacklist'' of addresses.
We need money for people, not speculation asset that can easily be manipulated.
Transparency is the reason the government believe they can regulate Bitcoin.
If not they would been aggressive on their attack
We can already see that in monero.
Privacy could be improved now maybe from layer two since Bitcoin has gained considerable influence and community.
If it was at the beginning, it would have had a lower volume.
Instead of an alternative, the government start seeing it as an attack.
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Transparency is the reason the government believe they can regulate Bitcoin.
If not they would been aggressive on their attack
We can already see that in monero.
Privacy could be improved now maybe from layer two since Bitcoin has gained considerable influence and community.
If it was at the beginning, it would have had a lower volume.
Instead of an alternative, the government start seeing it as an attack.
I completely agree. Since governments can monitor Bitcoin transactions, they view it as something they can regulate rather than banning it outright. In contrast, privacy coins like Monero, which offer strong anonymity features, have faced bans and delistings from exchanges due to regulatory pressure..
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Transparency is the reason the government believe they can regulate Bitcoin.
If not they would been aggressive on their attack
We can already see that in monero.
Privacy could be improved now maybe from layer two since Bitcoin has gained considerable influence and community.
If it was at the beginning, it would have had a lower volume.
Instead of an alternative, the government start seeing it as an attack.
I completely agree. Since governments can monitor Bitcoin transactions, they view it as something they can regulate rather than banning it outright. In contrast, privacy coins like Monero, which offer strong anonymity features, have faced bans and delistings from exchanges due to regulatory pressure..
I agree completely with the both of you, but I will just want to add that transparency is just one of the features that have gained bitcoin a place in the heart of the government.
Another is community, community matters in every cryptocurrency and this is why even with bitcoin having faced alot of bans from different countries around the world, it never still failed but keep going and gaining more value.
I believe that if monero had atleast, half of the type or number of community supports bitcoin had and still has, it would have been tough for the government to stop it, for in all, it's not really about the government banning, but the people accepting to stop making use of what the government has banned.
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Let's imagine what would happen if Bitcoin were as anonymous as Monero—it would likely face the same fate. But if everyone wants Bitcoin to have Monero-level privacy, why isn't Monero just as popular? Clearly, the majority still prefer Bitcoin despite top-down oversight.
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If bitcoin did that, it wouldn't have grow so much.
Transparency is important for a world wide financial asset. Bitcoin openness is one of the reasons that made it so big
I am sure Bitcoin would grow all the same, maybe even more, and Edward Snowden was right when he warned us to include privacy on Bitcoin layer.
Transparency can and will be turned against us, and there are many more problems down the line with this fake ''blacklist'' of addresses.
We need money for people, not speculation asset that can easily be manipulated.
I really doubt it. Have you ever used monero? It is not as simple as bitcoin to use.
You can`t even share the TX ID of your transaction to prove that you have transferred the amount.
It is a totally closed blockchain, which lacks lots of useful features.
Additionally, I think regulations would just be so harsh in it that CEX would have problems to sell it... we would probably be using a centralized altcoin like eth, or some other open fork....
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Good luck to everyone who has joined and to those who will still participate. I secured my spot early by keeping track of this thread's replies. 😅
This thread for the raffle is strictly for those who has been selected for the signature campaign I guess, and the free slot should be for those yet to be selected. It is really interesting for those that has already been selected.
Keeping my fingers still crossed, hoping to be among the next list that will be selected. 8)
Good luck to you guys already in the campaign.
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This thread for the raffle is strictly for those who has been selected for the signature campaign I guess, and the free slot should be for those yet to be selected.
No, they are not exclusive participants. There’s nothing mentioned about it being limited to a specific group—it’s open to anyone who collects such collectible items. If you’re interested, you can join the raffle too. It’s completely free!
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This thread for the raffle is strictly for those who has been selected for the signature campaign I guess, and the free slot should be for those yet to be selected.
No, they are not exclusive participants. There’s nothing mentioned about it being limited to a specific group—it’s open to anyone who collects such collectible items. If you’re interested, you can join the raffle too. It’s completely free!
Hmm... ???
But to each of you guys who has made response in that thread, they are those who are participants of the signature campaign, and by the response made, each participant took to their own names, the open slots/space has no name attached.
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Hmm... ???
But to each of you guys who has made response in that thread, they are those who are participants of the signature campaign, and by the response made, each participant took to their own names, the open slots/space has no name attached.
Maybe it's because the raffle thread was shared here, where many signature participants are actively engaged. This likely led them to visit the raffle thread and join the participation.
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Hmm... ???
But to each of you guys who has made response in that thread, they are those who are participants of the signature campaign, and by the response made, each participant took to their own names, the open slots/space has no name attached.
Maybe it's because the raffle thread was shared here, where many signature participants are actively engaged. This likely led them to visit the raffle thread and join the participation.
Thanks for the heads up, I found out that it was for everyone who wishes to participate. Slots are now filled, my bad not participating when there was open slots.
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On the other hand, as you aforementioned there is a probability that we can see higher pay rates on this forum in comming months so this thing will be the plus point for this forum members.
This forum has already got attention due to mixers advertising and there's chance that in coming months we may see more traffic here and that will led marketing campaigns to pay higher rate per post. A big thanks goes to Icopress for bringing BC.Game and Whale.io casino campaigns on this forum. That's a sign that we may have higher pay rates in future.
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It's good to see that MixTum is back on the forum when it comes to the sig campaign, and I, like everyone else, hope that the campaign will last as long as possible and that it will attract as much attention as possible. As for the service itself, I don't see anything changed, and I would personally advise that work should be done to adjust the fees for miners, which is included in the total service fees, to the conditions in the mempool.
It's been mentioned many times, but it's really completely unnecessary to pay x10 fees from those who have been around for months to send coins to a user.
By the way, does anyone know of a free tool to check the AML score of mixed coins? I think @icopress posted something like that a long time ago, but I couldn't find it.
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No, they are not exclusive participants. There’s nothing mentioned about it being limited to a specific group—it’s open to anyone who collects such collectible items. If you’re interested, you can join the raffle too. It’s completely free!
True. It's open to everyone!
The only thing I can think of.. is to increase the number of slots. What do you think?
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The only thing I can think of.. is to increase the number of slots. What do you think?
More slots, less chance of winning :(
It depends on the number of Mixtum collectable cards, but I think this is ok, while the winners do not participate in the next raffles. More users to get a chance.
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More slots, less chance of winning :(
It depends on the number of Mixtum collectable cards, but I think this is ok, while the winners do not participate in the next raffles. More users to get a chance.
Never been lucky in a raffle and higher slot wouldn't make a difference.
I think the collectibles is one of the reason People are finding it attractive
I have seen some raffles done in ATT and it takes time before it gets filled
Or daily traffic has increased?
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I really doubt it. Have you ever used monero? It is not as simple as bitcoin to use.
Sure I have, it's very simple to use, but I never said bitcoin should be exactly like monero.
Bitcoin could adopt MWEB addresses for start and have optional privacy.
It is a totally closed blockchain, which lacks lots of useful features.
This is not exactly true, you can reveal a lot information about transaction (if you want to do it).
The only thing I can think of.. is to increase the number of slots. What do you think?
Sure, that would be great.
I only found out about Mixtum raffle today, and I would like to participate if possible.
I am also glad to see Mixtum signature campaign returned, and I am back wearing one myself ;)
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This forum has already got attention due to mixers advertising and there's chance that in coming months we may see more traffic here and that will led marketing campaigns to pay higher rate per post. A big thanks goes to Icopress for bringing BC.Game and Whale.io casino campaigns on this forum. That's a sign that we may have higher pay rates in future.
At first, this forum started to run mixer campaigns only, but now we are seeing casino campaigns as well, which may build competition between them, so I feel this can be another factor that we may see higher pay rates. What do you say? Other than that, Icopress is really doing very well, as the more campaigns come here, the more this forum will generate traffic.
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This forum has already got attention due to mixers advertising and there's chance that in coming months we may see more traffic here and that will led marketing campaigns to pay higher rate per post. A big thanks goes to Icopress for bringing BC.Game and Whale.io casino campaigns on this forum. That's a sign that we may have higher pay rates in future.
A higher post fee is only justifiable if the posters' work positively impacts the project. We've seen dozens of campaigns launch with subscription models, only to shut down later. No official reason was given, but if they closed, there was a reason. We should focus more on maintaining what we have rather than simply increasing the cost. I hope Mixtum is here for the long run.
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This forum has already got attention due to mixers advertising and there's chance that in coming months we may see more traffic here and that will led marketing campaigns to pay higher rate per post. A big thanks goes to Icopress for bringing BC.Game and Whale.io casino campaigns on this forum. That's a sign that we may have higher pay rates in future.
We should focus more on maintaining what we have rather than simply increasing the cost. I hope Mixtum is here for the long run.
It's certain that a project has to consider it's cost of marketing and promotion before it ventures into it. Most projects which couldn't continue their signature here in this forum may be as a result of less fund to continue the promotion, nobody knows.... as they wouldn't say it outrightly.
Before thinking of increasing pay price the team also has to consider it's pocket if such pay price could keep the promotion a bit longer... slow and steady to me is much more better.
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On the other hand, as you aforementioned there is a probability that we can see higher pay rates on this forum in comming months so this thing will be the plus point for this forum members.
This forum has already got attention due to mixers advertising and there's chance that in coming months we may see more traffic here and that will led marketing campaigns to pay higher rate per post. A big thanks goes to Icopress for bringing BC.Game and Whale.io casino campaigns on this forum. That's a sign that we may have higher pay rates in future.
Obviously, we are going to get higher pay rates for signature campaign but it will not likely come from the casinos because there's no much competition as in the other forum. We are expecting such higher pay from mixers, yes they can do it. And in the coming days it will happen;
Mixtum,
Mixero,
Coinomize,
And GenesisMix on the pipeline.
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At first, this forum started to run mixer campaigns only, but now we are seeing casino campaigns as well, which may build competition between them, so I feel this can be another factor that we may see higher pay rates. What do you say? Other than that, Icopress is really doing very well, as the more campaigns come here, the more this forum will generate traffic.
Well, the casinos are quite new on this forum and it's Icopress's effort that now we have active casino campaigns here. If casinos that are advertising on this forum get some good attention and traffic from the members of this forum then definitely they'll increase the pay rates and then there might be some competition.
But, as of now the competition is going to be for the Mixers as they've already established their presence on this forum and are getting good attention and traffic from this forum, and that's why we may in future see those mixers competing with each other and increasing post pay rates to get more attention.
It's certain that a project has to consider it's cost of marketing and promotion before it ventures into it. Most projects which couldn't continue their signature here in this forum may be as a result of less fund to continue the promotion, nobody knows.... as they wouldn't say it outrightly.
Well, the casinos that are advertising here are good ones and BC.GAME is among the top casinos and that's why I don't think they won't have any issue paying the members of this forum to get more exposure. The mixers we all know are huge businesses and the famous ones can pay 4x than what they're paying right now, and that's why I don't think they'll ever have fund related issues.
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This forum has already got attention due to mixers advertising and there's chance that in coming months we may see more traffic here and that will led marketing campaigns to pay higher rate per post. A big thanks goes to Icopress for bringing BC.Game and Whale.io casino campaigns on this forum. That's a sign that we may have higher pay rates in future.
I would also really like to see higher pay rates on this forum. And on BTT too, what's there to hide))) But I remember that when the MixTum campaign was active, you could get $52 for 30 posts a week. And in the UniJoin campaign - about $45. Now the campaigns at best offer $30 a week. The payment has dropped significantly even for this forum, which is not as popular as BTT. I really hope that more favorable times await us in this regard.
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Actually, mate, this is not like casinos and mixers will offer high pay rates on the basis of the attention of these forum users, because the main thing is that I believe, these signatures are links to the project websites, and this works as backlinks to the project, so, it helps mixers or casinos to index in Google search at the first position.
Actually, the point is that here the number of posts history is less from forum members as compared to BitcoinTalk, and when the number of post history gets increased, then these campaigns will start to pay higher pay rates as the number of posts will be higher and the number of backlinks will also increase.
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This forum has already got attention due to mixers advertising and there's chance that in coming months we may see more traffic here and that will led marketing campaigns to pay higher rate per post. A big thanks goes to Icopress for bringing BC.Game and Whale.io casino campaigns on this forum. That's a sign that we may have higher pay rates in future.
I would also really like to see higher pay rates on this forum. And on BTT too, what's there to hide))) But I remember that when the MixTum campaign was active, you could get $52 for 30 posts a week. And in the UniJoin campaign - about $45. Now the campaigns at best offer $30 a week. The payment has dropped significantly even for this forum, which is not as popular as BTT. I really hope that more favorable times await us in this regard.
When signature campaign started newly in this forum, it was when the $45 and $50 rate came in. There was a kind of competition then and the true forum activity and conversion were not determined. After the initial rush, there was a kind of drop and some people who teleported here became inactive. The initially launched campaigns started ending drastically if not for mixero and coinomize.
So what we are seeing now is a kind of restart and if consistency ensures, signature campaign price will up but this depends largely on the campaign managers
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So what we are seeing now is a kind of restart and if consistency ensures, signature campaign price will up but this depends largely on the campaign managers
I'm afraid that campaign managers can't do much to increase prices. Advertisers decide how much they want to pay. It's internet marketing 101
The campaign managers are like Google, who accept bids from the highest bidders and take a cut. Then you have the websites (the users [us]) who offer their ad spots for rent.
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Is Mixtum thinking about adding support for SimpleX chat?
More projects are creating simpleX bots, and this can be great privacy alternative for Mixtum telegram bot.
The campaign managers are like Google, who accept bids from the highest bidders and take a cut. Then you have the websites (the users [us]) who offer their ad spots for rent.
I would not compare icopress and other managers with g00gle, they are not spying on us. and I would like to think some of them have morals.
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The payment has dropped significantly even for this forum, which is not as popular as BTT. I really hope that more favorable times await us in this regard.
Yes, I agree that MuxTum's campaign was paying users higher pay rate than it's paying now but in those times users had to post 30 posts per week and now the max paid posts limit is 20. That's still quite good pay rate for the users.
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So what we are seeing now is a kind of restart and if consistency ensures, signature campaign price will up but this depends largely on the campaign managers
I'm afraid that campaign managers can't do much to increase prices. Advertisers decide how much they want to pay. It's internet marketing 101
I agree. Project owners want results. They started paying about 50 usd per week. Over time, they probably saw the results of the campaign was not as good as bitcointalk, so they reduced budget...
It is still amazing to have campaigns here, and I believe we are proving a very good community support.
Community support is important to help users clear their question about the project, help them with problems, and even suggestions to improve the service.
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When signature campaign started newly in this forum, it was when the $45 and $50 rate came in. There was a kind of competition then and the true forum activity and conversion were not determined. After the initial rush, there was a kind of drop and some people who teleported here became inactive. The initially launched campaigns started ending drastically if not for mixero and coinomize.
So what we are seeing now is a kind of restart and if consistency ensures, signature campaign price will up but this depends largely on the campaign managers
Yes, dear, I remember those days, but these pay rates stay here for a very short time period if I am not wrong, right? Other than that, dear, you also mentioned the same fact as me, which I mentioned earlier in conversation with SamReomo, and I also believe that this can be the reason, why campaigns are not offering higher pay rates here.
I believe that we need to make our profiles more active with great posts in order to see high pay rates here as well. As the number of post history of the majority of the members will be higher, then the chances will also be higher to get higher pay rates. What do you think of it, mate?
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The payment has dropped significantly even for this forum, which is not as popular as BTT. I really hope that more favorable times await us in this regard.
Yes, I agree that MuxTum's campaign was paying users higher pay rate than it's paying now but in those times users had to post 30 posts per week and now the max paid posts limit is 20. That's still quite good pay rate for the users.
You mean the users of MixTum or the participant of their signature ad campaign? I believe you meant to say the participants of their signature ad campaign, please do well to use the right phrases where needed as this two - "A user" and "a participant" are not the same.
And away from the above, what you said it right, but I personally assume that the drop in pay rate for their signature ad campaign is due to the fact that this forum is still pretty limited in terms of how much traffic it generates, I believe that as the forum gets even more popular and increase both in traffic and users, services willing to advertise here will have to pay more due to large competition.
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So what we are seeing now is a kind of restart and if consistency ensures, signature campaign price will up but this depends largely on the campaign managers
I'm afraid that campaign managers can't do much to increase prices. Advertisers decide how much they want to pay. It's internet marketing 101
I agree. Project owners want results. They started paying about 50 usd per week. Over time, they probably saw the results of the campaign was not as good as bitcointalk, so they reduced budget...
If I remember correctly when campaigns paid up to $50, there were 6 or 7 active mixer campaigns, now we have "only" three (mixers). I'm sure that the competition then had a lot of influence on it.
However, even in that first wave, the forum itself was much more active. At least according to the available statistics
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This forum has already got attention due to mixers advertising and there's chance that in coming months we may see more traffic here and that will led marketing campaigns to pay higher rate per post. A big thanks goes to Icopress for bringing BC.Game and Whale.io casino campaigns on this forum. That's a sign that we may have higher pay rates in future.
At first, this forum started to run mixer campaigns only, but now we are seeing casino campaigns as well, which may build competition between them, so I feel this can be another factor that we may see higher pay rates. What do you say? Other than that, Icopress is really doing very well, as the more campaigns come here, the more this forum will generate traffic.
I think every payment rates from the different campaigns on the forum are of this, because the forum is seen to be on its growing stage. In months or years to come, the forum will be flodded with lots of campaigns and its publicity is still developing. Mixers come here for their campaigns, as they are not welcomed in Bitcointalk forum, casinos too are here, with a matter of time, the pay rates will get higher and the number of campaigns will increase as well.
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If I remember correctly when campaigns paid up to $50, there were 6 or 7 active mixer campaigns, now we have "only" three (mixers). I'm sure that the competition then had a lot of influence on it.
However, even in that first wave, the forum itself was much more active. At least according to the available statistics
You are right, competition between mixers would certainly increase rates.
I am not sure how much activity really does improve SEO, which is what really matters after all. I didn`t know also activity here was dropping... Why do you think that is happening?
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If I remember correctly when campaigns paid up to $50, there were 6 or 7 active mixer campaigns, now we have "only" three (mixers). I'm sure that the competition then had a lot of influence on it.
However, even in that first wave, the forum itself was much more active. At least according to the available statistics
You are right, competition between mixers would certainly increase rates.
I am not sure how much activity really does improve SEO, which is what really matters after all. I didn`t know also activity here was dropping... Why do you think that is happening?
The first wave of activities increased on this forum immediately after the mixer ban on bitcointalk and most mixers campaigns were moved down to altcointalks at that point most bitcointalk forum members teleported their accounts here and became active here so this event boosted the traffic on this forum and at that time as an example said we have up to 7 active mixers campaigns and some taking large participants and with a relatively good payment rate around minimum $45 or max $50, but as time goes on most of those mixers campaigns or platforms got closed down by the government and that hard to hult their forum presence, with some others deciding to end their signatures campaigns.
This affected the traffic of the forum and in recent times, the few mixer signature campaigns here are just paying low and taking a few forum users, this has affected the activities of most of the forum users and this led to a reduction in the traffic to the forum.
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but as time goes on most of those mixers campaigns or platforms got closed down by the government and that hard to hult their forum presence, with some others deciding to end their signatures campaigns.
I think we had more exit scams than mixers getting shutting down by authorities
Sad to see so many exit scams around.
This is why it is important to use only old and established mixers.
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but as time goes on most of those mixers campaigns or platforms got closed down by the government and that hard to hult their forum presence, with some others deciding to end their signatures campaigns.
I think we had more exit scams than mixers getting shutting down by authorities
Sad to see so many exit scams around.
This is why it is important to use only old and established mixers.
Already established mixers will always stand strong to hold their ground and reputation, cause trust is the number one thing I'm sure these mixers are entrusted with from all their users. As for campaigns, I will say the wait for better mixers to come into the forum. Mixtum which has been on the forum before, and are back, I'm sure they are here to stay for a period of time.
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If I remember correctly when campaigns paid up to $50, there were 6 or 7 active mixer campaigns, now we have "only" three (mixers). I'm sure that the competition then had a lot of influence on it.
However, even in that first wave, the forum itself was much more active. At least according to the available statistics
Yes, there were 6-7 active mixers at that time, however now we have not only mixers campaigns, but also casinos. I believe that could be seen as a sign of the forum gaining activity among different projects, not only those dedicated to mixers. I hope there will be more projects coming, such as wallets or exchanges. Then we will have full diversity and a wide range of choice.
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It is still amazing to have campaigns here, and I believe we are proving a very good community support.
I think it's a miracle that paid signature campaigns exist in this forum, but I am glad Mixtum is finally back in action ;)
It would be great to have more constructive conversation and more members to talk about importance of privacy tools in todays world.
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If I remember correctly when campaigns paid up to $50, there were 6 or 7 active mixer campaigns, now we have "only" three (mixers). I'm sure that the competition then had a lot of influence on it.
However, even in that first wave, the forum itself was much more active. At least according to the available statistics
Yes, there were 6-7 active mixers at that time, however now we have not only mixers campaigns, but also casinos. I believe that could be seen as a sign of the forum gaining activity among different projects, not only those dedicated to mixers. I hope there will be more projects coming, such as wallets or exchanges. Then we will have full diversity and a wide range of choice.
I believe that in the second quarter of this year 2025, the activities as regards active posters will increase this is because at the moment the entire forum is gaining ground and members are beginning to get used to the various unique sections in this forum and at that, a lot of increase activities will follow.
Also, I believe that more and more signature campaigns can keep the advertisement unit of the forum busy since e we all know the role of signature campaigns in forum engagement and activities.
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This forum has already got attention due to mixers advertising and there's chance that in coming months we may see more traffic here and that will led marketing campaigns to pay higher rate per post. A big thanks goes to Icopress for bringing BC.Game and Whale.io casino campaigns on this forum. That's a sign that we may have higher pay rates in future.
I would also really like to see higher pay rates on this forum. And on BTT too, what's there to hide))) But I remember that when the MixTum campaign was active, you could get $52 for 30 posts a week. And in the UniJoin campaign - about $45. Now the campaigns at best offer $30 a week. The payment has dropped significantly even for this forum, which is not as popular as BTT. I really hope that more favorable times await us in this regard.
I remember that when mixers were being advertised in the BTT forum, they were the ones paying the highest price per week. And that made a lot of people to rush these campaigns and think the companies where getting back for what they were advertising. I think the case here is different from what we use to see in BTT some years back, this forum does not gives more traffic as the Bitcointalk forum does, so it’s likely they won’t pay as much as they did there.
An increase in pay competition would have surfaced in the Bitcointalk forum between casinos and mixers as casinos were losing advertisers to mixer campaign companies. Things might change in the future even here when more traffic is generated here. When campaign managers would discuss for a price increase, they can do well by increasing it by that time.
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An increase in pay competition would have surfaced in the Bitcointalk forum between casinos and mixers as casinos were losing advertisers to mixer campaign companies. Things might change in the future even here when more traffic is generated here. When campaign managers would discuss for a price increase, they can do well by increasing it by that time.
Well, if you compare the traffic from BTT and this forum, there's a huge difference. this forum is currently new and the community of BTT has already existed since 2010, or, I think, 2011, before Satoshi gave this forum to Theymos.
So we shouldn't compare them since this forum still new, and looking at the stats of this forum's growth, we might see this forum will be the same as what BTT achieved before.
I think on the next cycle we can maybe see huge traffic on this forum, and that time maybe these campaigns might have a slight increase in payouts.
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I think on the next cycle we can maybe see huge traffic on this forum, and that time maybe these campaigns might have a slight increase in payouts.
Well, I guess the traffic of the forum is already increasing on monthly basis and when new platforms start advertising here then there's chance that we may see even more traffic on this forum. Hope to see such traffic before the next cycle.
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If I remember correctly when campaigns paid up to $50, there were 6 or 7 active mixer campaigns, now we have "only" three (mixers). I'm sure that the competition then had a lot of influence on it.
However, even in that first wave, the forum itself was much more active. At least according to the available statistics
Yes, there were 6-7 active mixers at that time, however now we have not only mixers campaigns, but also casinos. I believe that could be seen as a sign of the forum gaining activity among different projects, not only those dedicated to mixers. I hope there will be more projects coming, such as wallets or exchanges. Then we will have full diversity and a wide range of choice.
I believe that in the second quarter of this year 2025, the activities as regards active posters will increase this is because at the moment the entire forum is gaining ground and members are beginning to get used to the various unique sections in this forum and at that, a lot of increase activities will follow.
Also, I believe that more and more signature campaigns can keep the advertisement unit of the forum busy since e we all know the role of signature campaigns in forum engagement and activities.
Undoubtedly, signature campaigns attract more users to the forum and they are a way for present forum members to show much more activity . I think that this forum has great potential, it has its own unique style and charm, different from BTT. And I will be very glad to see here more signature campaigns and higher payment for those who with their activity support the life and development of the forum.
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Well, if you compare the traffic from BTT and this forum, there's a huge difference. this forum is currently new and the community of BTT has already existed since 2010, or, I think, 2011, before Satoshi gave this forum to Theymos.
So we shouldn't compare them since this forum still new, and looking at the stats of this forum's growth, we might see this forum will be the same as what BTT achieved before.
I think on the next cycle we can maybe see huge traffic on this forum, and that time maybe these campaigns might have a slight increase in payouts.
I’d say the forum is still relatively young, as it’s been around for nearly eight years now, if I’m not mistaken. But it’s not just about how long it’s been around—it’s about the fact that our forum is still alive and even evolving. Think back to how many cryptocurrency forums popped up between 2017 and 2022. Where are most of them now? They’ve vanished, while ATT is still standing strong and looking pretty solid.
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but as time goes on most of those mixers campaigns or platforms got closed down by the government and that hard to hult their forum presence, with some others deciding to end their signatures campaigns.
I think we had more exit scams than mixers getting shutting down by authorities
Sad to see so many exit scams around.
This is why it is important to use only old and established mixers.
When we talk about mixers that got shut down by the government, the only one I can vouch for to be legit is or was chipmixer and one other mixer which I can not remember their name anymore, the rest either decided on their own to shut down or carried out an exit scam.
But then, one thing with the mixer business is that once a mixer becomes big, popular, established as you said, it begins to attract the attention of the government which is a big risk, but like we all have been saying, lets hope that this current government will be favorable for mixers.
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When we talk about mixers that got shut down by the government, the only one I can vouch for to be legit is or was chipmixer and one other mixer which I can not remember their name anymore, the rest either decided on their own to shut down or carried out an exit scam.
Sinbad was shut down as well.
Wasabi wallet was also force to cease operations, which is a coinjoin wallet, not properly a mixer.
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I’d say the forum is still relatively young, as it’s been around for nearly eight years now, if I’m not mistaken. But it’s not just about how long it’s been around—it’s about the fact that our forum is still alive and even evolving. Think back to how many cryptocurrency forums popped up between 2017 and 2022. Where are most of them now? They’ve vanished, while ATT is still standing strong and looking pretty solid.
Let's be honest, activity on this forum was at a minimal level before the arrival of mixers' signature campaigns following their ban on BTT. However, now, after more than a year, we can conclude that this forum is truly growing and attracting more traffic than before.
Overall, the trend is positive, considering that some advertisers (mixers) prefer to promote their brands through long-term campaigns on this forum.
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When we talk about mixers that got shut down by the government, the only one I can vouch for to be legit is or was chipmixer and one other mixer which I can not remember their name anymore, the rest either decided on their own to shut down or carried out an exit scam.
Sinbad was shut down as well.
Wasabi wallet was also force to cease operations, which is a coinjoin wallet, not properly a mixer.
If we talk about the release of a mixer, Bitmixer must be mentioned. It was closed by the owner at the time of dominance. There was no government pressure, no seizing of any server or funds, only the decision to close down.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2042470.msg20331854#msg20331854
Well, it was a different time and there was not so much pressure on the mixer industry.
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When we talk about mixers that got shut down by the government, the only one I can vouch for to be legit is or was chipmixer and one other mixer which I can not remember their name anymore, the rest either decided on their own to shut down or carried out an exit scam.
Sinbad was shut down as well.
Wasabi wallet was also force to cease operations, which is a coinjoin wallet, not properly a mixer.
Yeah, thanks very much for reminding me, Sinbad was that other mixer I said I forgot it's name, I remember vividly back then that Royce was the manager of their signature ad campaign, even Binance had to flag the bitcoin address from which Royce was making weekly payment to their participants of the campaign.
I did participated in the early signature campaign of Wasabi wallet, but I didn't follow up on them afterwards to know when they were forced to seize operation, but I do know when they had reputation issues on Btt due to them censoring a part of their service, something alot of us assumed was completely against the decentralization they preached.
Anyways, alot of mixers and services related to mixers have indeed come and gone, but then, hope and believe that mixers of today will stay around far longer than their predecessors.
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I think every payment rates from the different campaigns on the forum are of this, because the forum is seen to be on its growing stage. In months or years to come, the forum will be flodded with lots of campaigns and its publicity is still developing. Mixers come here for their campaigns, as they are not welcomed in Bitcointalk forum, casinos too are here, with a matter of time, the pay rates will get higher and the number of campaigns will increase as well.
If the Trump administration does not put any other restrictions, just like the Joe Biden administration, then I am hoping to see the Mixers campaign back on the BitcoinTalk forum. Other than that, it takes some time to get an increment in pay rates, as there will be more active profiles, so surely the pay rates will also be more here. Everyone is also hoping to see more campaigns here, as currently the number of users who are selected in the campaigns here are minor.
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If the Trump administration does not put any other restrictions, just like the Joe Biden administration, then I am hoping to see the Mixers campaign back on the BitcoinTalk forum.
It won't change since this matter falls to AML, and Lazarus are there to exploit and abuse these mixers for their benefits to avoid getting tracked.
For theymos being wary its the best thing he can do.
If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.
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If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.
I'm not sure he's gonna make this bold decision of moving the hosting. For mixers, I think people (specific groups) do exploit the use case we cant do anything about it, changing the mixer's user model might work but it's non-practical as well no logs policy is the only reason people use mixers.
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If the Trump administration does not put any other restrictions, just like the Joe Biden administration, then I am hoping to see the Mixers campaign back on the BitcoinTalk forum.
It won't change since this matter falls to AML, and Lazarus are there to exploit and abuse these mixers for their benefits to avoid getting tracked.
For theymos being wary its the best thing he can do.
If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.
The fact is that Thymos won't be going through such stress just to bring mixers promotions back to the Bitcointalk forum, and this is where altcointalks now comes in to play the important role at which it was created which is to provide an alternative to bitcointalk just as altcoins provide scalability alternative to bitcoin.
So it is a win-win for all of us and the way forward is to keep the traffic over here very high in other to attract more good mixers that comply with the operating guidelines and not accommodating bad actors.
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If the Trump administration does not put any other restrictions, just like the Joe Biden administration, then I am hoping to see the Mixers campaign back on the BitcoinTalk forum. Other than that, it takes some time to get an increment in pay rates, as there will be more active profiles, so surely the pay rates will also be more here. Everyone is also hoping to see more campaigns here, as currently the number of users who are selected in the campaigns here are minor.
I doubt simply not putting new restrictions would be enough for that.
From theymos himself:
For the mixer policy to be reversed, the legal environment would have to improve a lot. I think that one of these would have to happen:
- Some mixers win their court cases.
- Congress passes laws which explicitly protect mixers.
- The administration ends up being extremely pro-privacy, better than 99% of politicians in office.
It'll take at least a year before we have a good idea of what the new administration will really be like, but my expectation is that they will only be ~10% better than the Biden administration in this area. I would be surprised if they dropped the case against the Tornado Cash devs, for example.
The Trump administration could be a lot better than I expect, but they could also be a lot worse. I think for example that the Trump administration might be even more aggressive on sanctions (especially against Iran), and they might therefore see financial privacy as a threat to their sanction power. There are also several reasons why the Trump administration may want to restrict cross-border payments generally: to allow for financial repression in response to a debt crisis, to improve the US's hugely-negative net international investment position (which is often a major issue in the minds of Trump-aligned economists), to tariff services in addition to goods, or to control the value of the dollar. Severe restrictions on cross-border payments could also put them in opposition to financial privacy.
The Biden administration clearly wanted to move as close to banning crypto as they could get away with, so it's definitely good that they're gone, but it's not as if Satoshi has just been elected president. The Trump administration has some interest in pleasing their crypto donors, but that can be achieved mainly just by getting prices to go up. They don't much care, and don't have to care, about privacy, disintermediation, decentralization, etc.
Some mixers win their court cases = doubt, but could maybe happen, specially now that Tornado cash sanctions have been lifted.
Law to explicitly protect mixers = never going to happen.
Pro-privacy administration = huhh, maybe? But not as much as theymos wants.
But like I said, seems like they really are dropping the case against Tornado Cash devs, which theymos doubt it would happen.
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Well, if you compare the traffic from BTT and this forum, there's a huge difference. this forum is currently new and the community of BTT has already existed since 2010, or, I think, 2011, before Satoshi gave this forum to Theymos.
So we shouldn't compare them since this forum still new, and looking at the stats of this forum's growth, we might see this forum will be the same as what BTT achieved before.
I think on the next cycle we can maybe see huge traffic on this forum, and that time maybe these campaigns might have a slight increase in payouts.
The next cycle is quite a long time from now but if the the forum continues to receive consistent traffic as it has now, it will become more popular and have increased traffic by that time. I guess an increase in pay over the years will show that the companies here are receiving well the patronage they deserve from the forum after advertising their brands here. They can’t be compared as you said, from 2010 till now is 15 years and I doubt if this forum is barely a decades since its creation or populous. BTT also started gradually like this before it became what it is today, so I hope with time this forum also develop to be like BTT.
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Some mixers win their court cases = doubt, but could maybe happen, specially now that Tornado cash sanctions have been lifted.
Law to explicitly protect mixers = never going to happen.
Pro-privacy administration = huhh, maybe? But not as much as theymos wants.
But like I said, seems like they really are dropping the case against Tornado Cash devs, which theymos doubt it would happen.
No wonder why people think the Biden administration were a bunch of crooks.
Ahem. Anyway....
I hope this means a comprehensive regulatory framework can be formed for mixers and other non-custodial exchanging services to tell them exactly what they can do (within reasonable limits) and can't.
Then that means we won't see any of this BS vilification of mixers ever again.
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The fact is that Thymos won't be going through such stress just to bring mixers promotions back to the Bitcointalk forum, and this is where altcointalks now comes in to play the important role at which it was created which is to provide an alternative to bitcointalk just as altcoins provide scalability alternative to bitcoin.
Well, I agree with you and even if Theymos does change his mind and allow mixers back to Bitcointalk but still this forum is going to be safe forum for the mixers in long term. The mixers that know such fact are in this forum and they're spending money to get more exposure in the form of signature campaigns. There're some mixers that actually don't understand the importance of this forum but I believe in future those mixers will also do some type of advertising on this forum.
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The fact is that Thymos won't be going through such stress just to bring mixers promotions back to the Bitcointalk forum, and this is where altcointalks now comes in to play the important role at which it was created which is to provide an alternative to bitcointalk just as altcoins provide scalability alternative to bitcoin.
Well, I agree with you and even if Theymos does change his mind and allow mixers back to Bitcointalk but still this forum is going to be safe forum for the mixers in long term. The mixers that know such fact are in this forum and they're spending money to get more exposure in the form of signature campaigns. There're some mixers that actually don't understand the importance of this forum but I believe in future those mixers will also do some type of advertising on this forum.
This forum is really improving a lot of campaign smoothly and very positively, with time this forum have game much more fame and at least people are coming to know more about the forum has a very positive and exciting place to be. Mixer has been pushing very impressively and there are really a reliable and secure source I guess bringing them back to bitcointalk will really gives them more advantage and additional hopes cause that forum is really much more expand and has a lot of users than here, but with time here will also move to moon. I guess mixer should put this into consideration and get back to the bitcointalk.
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The fact is that Thymos won't be going through such stress just to bring mixers promotions back to the Bitcointalk forum, and this is where altcointalks now comes in to play the important role at which it was created which is to provide an alternative to bitcointalk just as altcoins provide scalability alternative to bitcoin.
Well, I agree with you and even if Theymos does change his mind and allow mixers back to Bitcointalk but still this forum is going to be safe forum for the mixers in long term. The mixers that know such fact are in this forum and they're spending money to get more exposure in the form of signature campaigns. There're some mixers that actually don't understand the importance of this forum but I believe in future those mixers will also do some type of advertising on this forum.
Yeah, this forum will continue to grow both in users, traffic and popularity, I trust that the admin of this forum have some grear plans up his sleeves and soon enough, we might be seeing some really groundbreaking features targetted at bringing or attracting even more users here, thereby attracting huge traffic to this forum, which in turn will give birth to so many companies including mixers becoming very interested in advertising their services and products here, it's great we all are here today and the great privilege that admin has done most of us by allowing us import our btt ranks here, opportunity like this won't remain forever I believe.
As the forum grows, so will mixers and other services advertising here grow in users as well, lets us keep supporting this services as well as the forum generally.
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The fact is that Thymos won't be going through such stress just to bring mixers promotions back to the Bitcointalk forum, and this is where altcointalks now comes in to play the important role at which it was created which is to provide an alternative to bitcointalk just as altcoins provide scalability alternative to bitcoin.
Well, I agree with you and even if Theymos does change his mind and allow mixers back to Bitcointalk but still this forum is going to be safe forum for the mixers in long term. The mixers that know such fact are in this forum and they're spending money to get more exposure in the form of signature campaigns. There're some mixers that actually don't understand the importance of this forum but I believe in future those mixers will also do some type of advertising on this forum.
Yeah, this forum will continue to grow both in users, traffic and popularity, I trust that the admin of this forum have some grear plans up his sleeves and soon enough, we might be seeing some really groundbreaking features targetted at bringing or attracting even more users here, thereby attracting huge traffic to this forum, which in turn will give birth to so many companies including mixers becoming very interested in advertising their services and products here, it's great we all are here today and the great privilege that admin has done most of us by allowing us import our btt ranks here, opportunity like this won't remain forever I believe.
As the forum grows, so will mixers and other services advertising here grow in users as well, lets us keep supporting this services as well as the forum generally.
Well yeah, I am sure that the forum will continue to develop and grow along the way and sure traffic is going to increase but what I may not agree with you on @Fivestar4everMVP is your too much emphasis on the admin and whatever plans he has for the forum, the growth of the forum will have to come from the internal activities of members present here.
The admin may have little to do with that other than just making sure that the forum has great features that keep visitors attracted but in terms of how quality information is posted here that helps visitors that is the work of the entire community members.
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The admin may have little to do with that other than just making sure that the forum has great features that keep visitors attracted but in terms of how quality information is posted here that helps visitors that is the work of the entire community members.
Well like you said growing thr forum isn't a one man thing and it has an advantage already in housing some of the best mixers and serve as a form of base for the support team. As Bitcoin gets popular and people realise the advantage and security of privacy mixers thus the forum Would get more popular.
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I did participated in the early signature campaign of Wasabi wallet, but I didn't follow up on them afterwards to know when they were forced to seize operation, but I do know when they had reputation issues on Btt due to them censoring a part of their service, something alot of us assumed was completely against the decentralization they preached.
Anyways, alot of mixers and services related to mixers have indeed come and gone, but then, hope and believe that mixers of today will stay around far longer than their predecessors.
I didn't follow closely but I know they did relabel to ginger wallet after some problems with authorities and regulations. You can see at their github sometimes the old wasabi waller name
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No wonder why people think the Biden administration were a bunch of crooks.
Ahem. Anyway....
I hope this means a comprehensive regulatory framework can be formed for mixers and other non-custodial exchanging services to tell them exactly what they can do (within reasonable limits) and can't.
Then that means we won't see any of this BS vilification of mixers ever again.
The development of legislative norms takes time, when the work on priority tasks will be completed, we can really hope for the formation of a regulatory framework for bitcoin mixers and similar services. In any case, mixers cannot stay in limbo regarding legality indefinitely.
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So what we are seeing now is a kind of restart and if consistency ensures, signature campaign price will up but this depends largely on the campaign managers
I'm afraid that campaign managers can't do much to increase prices. Advertisers decide how much they want to pay. It's internet marketing 101
I agree. Project owners want results. They started paying about 50 usd per week. Over time, they probably saw the results of the campaign was not as good as bitcointalk, so they reduced budget...
It is still amazing to have campaigns here, and I believe we are proving a very good community support.
Community support is important to help users clear their question about the project, help them with problems, and even suggestions to improve the service.
Honestly, we are providing a good community support. Maybe in 5 years later, our efforts would have yielded better result and the sacrifices of today would be used as a reference.
As NotATether noted, project owners will offer what they want to pay, but this payment is fairly distributed by the campaign managers. We know that no manager will over pay for lesser conversions. However, as we grow things will improve and everyone will understand that we have grown. Atleast tools used for traffic tracking will also indicate.
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If the Trump administration does not put any other restrictions, just like the Joe Biden administration, then I am hoping to see the Mixers campaign back on the BitcoinTalk forum.
It won't change since this matter falls to AML, and Lazarus are there to exploit and abuse these mixers for their benefits to avoid getting tracked.
For theymos being wary its the best thing he can do.
If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.
Mixers can go back to BTT in case the forum moves out of US jurisdiction, although that would mean the current admin has to step down or move with the forum. I don't think that's a realistic option at the moment, although stranger things have happened.
What can bring mixers back to BTT is that they start cooperating with the authorities in some way, at least in terms of hacked assets and preventing hacker groups from using them. But if something like that were to happen, then anyone sending coins to mixers would be at risk of having their funds frozen, so I think mixers will stay where they are for now.
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Have you visited ANN?: Yes
BTC SegWit Address: bc1qy42zygyqrwk3p6uzvms3ul9e43mqc9m4ksjppn
Mate, this is not a thread for campaign applications, and no one will look at your application here, and for this there is another thread in the Signature Campaigns section, so you need to drop your application there. This is the ANN thread, which is especially created for announcement purposes, discussion, or some other development suggestion from the forum members or Mixer users. So, move your application to there. Many thanks!
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Mixers can go back to BTT in case the forum moves out of US jurisdiction, although that would mean the current admin has to step down or move with the forum. I don't think that's a realistic option at the moment, although stranger things have happened.
What can bring mixers back to BTT is that they start cooperating with the authorities in some way, at least in terms of hacked assets and preventing hacker groups from using them. But if something like that were to happen, then anyone sending coins to mixers would be at risk of having their funds frozen, so I think mixers will stay where they are for now.
Switzerland has one of the privacy friendly law. I think around 1000CAD(around a thousand dollar) a day requires no KYC according to the law.
But leaving the US seems too much except their laws starts to affect the forum existence
Yeah cooperation is a strong word, nobody is going to be confident in their system if they are seen smiling with the government. Maybe transaction volume per limit could help.
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I think every payment rates from the different campaigns on the forum are of this, because the forum is seen to be on its growing stage. In months or years to come, the forum will be flodded with lots of campaigns and its publicity is still developing. Mixers come here for their campaigns, as they are not welcomed in Bitcointalk forum, casinos too are here, with a matter of time, the pay rates will get higher and the number of campaigns will increase as well.
If the Trump administration does not put any other restrictions, just like the Joe Biden administration, then I am hoping to see the Mixers campaign back on the BitcoinTalk forum. Other than that, it takes some time to get an increment in pay rates, as there will be more active profiles, so surely the pay rates will also be more here. Everyone is also hoping to see more campaigns here, as currently the number of users who are selected in the campaigns here are minor.
Increment in campaign payrate will have to depend on some factors, and one of those will have to be that more services are coming to advertise here on the forum and are willing to pay more so as to attract alot of users to want to join their campaign, now after some time while this must have been on for weeks or months, other services after having lost alot of their campaign participants to the services paying high signature campaigns rates; will have no choice but to increase their payrate as well to attract new participants and also keep the ones that are still with them from going away.
And what will attract more services to want to come and advertise here is when the forum becomes more popular than it currently is, generating much higher traffic than It does now, this is when we may likely begin to expect increase in pay rate for signature ad spaces.
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Have you visited ANN?: Yes
BTC SegWit Address: bc1qy42zygyqrwk3p6uzvms3ul9e43mqc9m4ksjppn
How serious a mistake was this? Was it intentional? I have never seen anyone mistake an ANN THREAD for a signature campaign. Do we attribute it to the need to re-arrange arrange boards.
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How serious a mistake was this? Was it intentional? I have never seen anyone mistake an ANN THREAD for a signature campaign. Do we attribute it to the need to re-arrange arrange boards.
Too clumsy enough to get confused for signature campaign thread from ANN thread. Since it just happen once, maybe its an honest mistake lol. Anyway, it was reported and deleted here already.
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Wasabi wallet was also force to cease operations, which is a coinjoin wallet, not properly a mixer.
Wasabi wallet is still working, they just had to separate from zkSNACKs and have different independent coordinators.
I heard the news that Wasabi played the big role after recent hack of one big exchange.
Mixers and privacy tools are very important especially in todays crazy world.
If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.
He won't do that, and I am sure simple changing of hosting wouldn't help at all.
But like I said, seems like they really are dropping the case against Tornado Cash devs, which theymos doubt it would happen.
Many people had doubts about this, but like I said many times, developers just wrote code, and Trump now needs to promote his crypto meme crap :o
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The admin may have little to do with that other than just making sure that the forum has great features that keep visitors attracted but in terms of how quality information is posted here that helps visitors that is the work of the entire community members.
The admin's main role is to keep forum safe and updated and also to take care of the forum host so it doesn't get slow or it doesn't get down due to slow hosts. So far admin has been doing his best to keep the forum updated and everything is smooth for me and for all users and that's more than enough.
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If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.
He won't do that, and I am sure simple changing of hosting wouldn't help at all.
It is not enough just to change the hosting, but he theymos would have to leave the US, renounce their citizenship and move to a freer jurisdiction. That's too much sacrifice just to add one feature to the forum.
I think he made similar statements along those lines.
btw, regardless, Namecheap is certainly not an option for such cases, plus it is a US company (Phoenix/Arizona)
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Many people had doubts about this, but like I said many times, developers just wrote code, and Trump now needs to promote his crypto meme crap :o
He's doing better at this than been a president
Let's just hope that his release of Ross Ulbricht stretch towards been lenient with privacy.
Again I said hope.
Since it just happen once, maybe its an honest mistake lol. Anyway, it was reported and deleted here already.
It should be, because there's nothing to gain in doing it on purpose.
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If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.
The problem is that some mixers were getting seized and they tried to continue with their forum advertising. Then theymos was afraid that bitcointalk would be considered a darknet website, this is why he banned all mixers. It makes some sense
Unless we really have in the future much more clear and fireball regulations for mixers, they won't be returning to btt
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If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.
The problem is that some mixers were getting seized and they tried to continue with their forum advertising. Then theymos was afraid that bitcointalk would be considered a darkness website, this is why he banned all mixers. It makes some sense
Unless we really have in the future much more clear and fireball regulations for mixers, they won't be returning to btt
He was being very safety conscious to prevent some bad tag to the BTT forum because of the way some of these mixers were seen by the government. Paving the way for these mixers to host their signature campaigns here on the ALTCOINSTALK Forum.
And to be frank this has boost the positive response and activeness of the forum members.
I don't think when these mixers were active on BTT, they were also active on this forum too?
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He was being very safety conscious to prevent some bad tag to the BTT forum because of the way some of these mixers were seen by the government. Paving the way for these mixers to host their signature campaigns here on the ALTCOINSTALK Forum.
And to be frank this has boost the positive response and activeness of the forum members.
I don't think when these mixers were active on BTT, they were also active on this forum too?
When the arrests of those responsible for Tornado Cash, Samurai Wallet, etc... started, banning the mixer on the Btt forum seemed like a wise decision.
With the current attitude towards Tornado Cash adopted these days, I believe that there would not be such a radical decision by BTT administrators. But now we are where we are.
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Have you visited ANN?: Yes
BTC SegWit Address: bc1qy42zygyqrwk3p6uzvms3ul9e43mqc9m4ksjppn
How serious a mistake was this? Was it intentional? I have never seen anyone mistake an ANN THREAD for a signature campaign. Do we attribute it to the need to re-arrange arrange boards.
I don't think this has anything to do with the need to re-arrange or arrange boards, this is either a deliberate mistake - which in real sense is not a mistake, or it's an honest mistake.
It all depends on the user anyway, I have not visited his or her profile to ascertain how long he has been here on the forum and what his rank is, this two information I believe will give us insight on either to believe he or she deliberately posted that here, or did an honest mistake, because I believe there are some mistakes a person shouldnt make when they have spent a good time on a forum like this..
This is not an important thing to discuss anyway, but I believe dealing with it can prevent future occurrence.
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I don't think when these mixers were active on BTT, they were also active on this forum too?
They were not.
Mixers moved from btt to here when they were banned in btt.
And even de the community moved from btt to altcoinstalks (which are the teleported members )
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I don't think when these mixers were active on BTT, they were also active on this forum too?
They were not.
Mixers moved from btt to here when they were banned in btt.
And even de the community moved from btt to altcoinstalks (which are the teleported members )
That was so unfortunate, they were banned like for real that so bad what would have been the issue that leads to banning but I guess every disappointment is an appointment they are really making wave in this forum and they are promoting very genuinely.
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I don't think when these mixers were active on BTT, they were also active on this forum too?
They were not.
Mixers moved from btt to here when they were banned in btt.
And even de the community moved from btt to altcoinstalks (which are the teleported members )
That was so unfortunate, they were banned like for real that so bad what would have been the issue that leads to banning but I guess every disappointment is an appointment they are really making wave in this forum and they are promoting very genuinely.
Read up a few posts, i just explained the reason.
This fortunate just for altcoinstalks forum owner, because the publicity and marketing was way more effective in btt
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I don't know in what ground theymos used in banning mixers in the bitcointalk forum but I believed it was because of the Lazarus Group of using mixers to launder bitcoins and the government involvement of tracking the locations the mixers moves and bitcoins are transact and sent made him to stopped mixers in that forum and if the government make a pronouncement that selected mixers can be operate in the ecosystem.
And once that proclamation is made, he (theymos might uplift the ban of mixers in bitcointalk but those mixers that will come to that forum will face strong screening.
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I don't think when these mixers were active on BTT, they were also active on this forum too?
They were not.
Mixers moved from btt to here when they were banned in btt.
And even de the community moved from btt to altcoinstalks (which are the teleported members )
The community has been in existence for a long time. In 2021, when I joined Bitcointalk, I asked if there is an alternative forum to BTT and someone mentioned Altcoinstalks for me. I registered then but there was no much activity, so I stopped visiting until the ban of mixers in BTT and the admin's wise decision of teleporting. So, the community has been in existence, but the ban of mixers gave it the recent boom
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No wonder why people think the Biden administration were a bunch of crooks.
Most people in all administrations and crooks and puppets, no difference Trump or Biden, they all serve the same master.
It is not enough just to change the hosting, but he theymos would have to leave the US, renounce their citizenship and move to a freer jurisdiction. That's too much sacrifice just to add one feature to the forum.
I think he made similar statements along those lines.
I know, and I am sure that won't happen.
Now question is what is going to happen in case something happens to theymos, this is where things can get interesting in both directions.
I see nothing wrong with mixing services, but there are people who only want transparency... I think they should be naked 24/7 if they want 100% transparency. :P
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I don't think when these mixers were active on BTT, they were also active on this forum too?
They were not.
Mixers moved from btt to here when they were banned in btt.
And even de the community moved from btt to altcoinstalks (which are the teleported members )
That was so unfortunate, they were banned like for real that so bad what would have been the issue that leads to banning but I guess every disappointment is an appointment they are really making wave in this forum and they are promoting very genuinely.
Read up a few posts, i just explained the reason.
This fortunate just for altcoinstalks forum owner, because the publicity and marketing was way more effective in btt
I agree with you bitmover the marketing and publicity were highly intense on Bitcointalk way back when they were allowed there, but also aside from chipmixer which ran a marketing campaign for several years on Bitcointalk, the rest of the other just bearly came on board and the crisis of multiple mixer seizing began and that led to the banned, so we can't categorically say that generally mixers made up for a so an so percentage of traffic generated by bitcointalk at that time.
This is why the ban of mixer promotion in bitcoin talk was slightly or none felt at all, for altcointalks, the game has begun and at least capitalizing on this incident to attract traffic was a development well wished for by the admin of the forum, and this has positively impacted this forum at least activities here have begun to pick up all by the help of mixers campaigns.
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Can someone check the Mixtum clearnet site? Does anyone else experience slow-loading Cloudflare or is it just me?
It seems like the CF settings are a bit stricter, so it takes a bit longer than I'm used to
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Can someone check the Mixtum clearnet site? Does anyone else experience slow-loading Cloudflare or is it just me?
It seems like the CF settings are a bit stricter, so it takes a bit longer than I'm used to
Well, I just visited the site now and I honestly don't notice anything different in the loading speed now compared to the last time I visited the site.
The slow loading may likely have something to do with the ISP or the browser your are visiting the site from, maybe your internet provider experienced some bad network or something at that particular moment which lead to the slow loading of the mixtum site.
Or maybe it could be the site itself at that moment but it's fixed already..
Anyways, the site loads pretty fast for me, but let's see what another user who will come around to test as well will have to say..
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Can someone check the Mixtum clearnet site? Does anyone else experience slow-loading Cloudflare or is it just me?
It seems like the CF settings are a bit stricter, so it takes a bit longer than I'm used to
I checked with Tor and the CF check thing slows the whole thing down a bit, but it doesn't seem to take too long to me personally. What I noticed some time ago is that there are no images loaded on the onion link, so the whole page looks strange.
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Can someone check the Mixtum clearnet site? Does anyone else experience slow-loading Cloudflare or is it just me?
It seems like the CF settings are a bit stricter, so it takes a bit longer than I'm used to
Website is loading fine for with Mixtum clearnet, and I tried using different browsers to make sure.
I was not asked to click on anything and website opened automatically in all cases.
Maybe there was some glitch with cloudflare when you visited website.
On the other hand, I am having some issues with onion link now, there is no graphical element shown at all.
Page is white and only text is visible.
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Can someone check the Mixtum clearnet site? Does anyone else experience slow-loading Cloudflare or is it just me?
It seems like the CF settings are a bit stricter, so it takes a bit longer than I'm used to
Yes, it' at least a minute on CF page verification loading and whatnot before the site can be accessed. Might be stricter settings has been activated.
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Can someone check the Mixtum clearnet site? Does anyone else experience slow-loading Cloudflare or is it just me?
It seems like the CF settings are a bit stricter, so it takes a bit longer than I'm used to
Website is loading fine for with Mixtum clearnet, and I tried using different browsers to make sure.
I was not asked to click on anything and website opened automatically in all cases.
Maybe there was some glitch with cloudflare when you visited website.
On the other hand, I am having some issues with onion link now, there is no graphical element shown at all.
Page is white and only text is visible.
Yeah, as dkbit98 said, both the clearnet and onion version is accessible at some level. But there are certainly some issues here.
The loading time for clearnet version looks normal but the TOR version isn't loading properly, looks broken, with plain text only.
Yes my internet connection is ok and I gave it several tries, refreshed it many time. Just look at this..
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/03/28/lzjbm.png)
icopress, I noticed in the ANN page where Tor mirror is written, the link starts with https which shouldn't for onion links! Brining this to your attention for a quick fix!
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/03/28/lz1HW.png)
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Mate, this is not a thread for campaign applications, and no one will look at your application here, and for this there is another thread in the Signature Campaigns section, so you need to drop your application there.
I personally think that it was posted here by mistake and sometimes such mistakes do happen. Mostly users who are in hurry to join a campaign often make such mistakes and I hope the OP has got your message and that's why he/she has deleted the post.
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Mate, this is not a thread for campaign applications, and no one will look at your application here, and for this there is another thread in the Signature Campaigns section, so you need to drop your application there.
I personally think that it was posted here by mistake and sometimes such mistakes do happen. Mostly users who are in hurry to join a campaign often make such mistakes and I hope the OP has got your message and that's why he/she has deleted the post.
How possible is it that a person will be in such a hurry to join a campaign when it's not like submitting the application means automatic enrollment, that is, after they submit application, they will have no choice but to wait for the manager to approve their application before they join, how or what then is the essence of being so much in a hurry to warrant making this type of mistake of posting a campaign application in the official Ann thread of the company..
Anyways, I am not saying this is a mistake we all should be above making, but then, I don't think the mistake was made out of being in a hurry, lets just say he made a mistake and that all.
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Can someone check the Mixtum clearnet site? Does anyone else experience slow-loading Cloudflare or is it just me?
It seems like the CF settings are a bit stricter, so it takes a bit longer than I'm used to
yep cloudflare is very slow for some reasons on this one
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yep cloudflare is very slow for some reasons on this one
So far accessing mixtum site is much faster now compare earlier that it takes at least a minute.
Anyways, I am not saying this is a mistake we all should be above making, but then, I don't think the mistake was made out of being in a hurry, lets just say he made a mistake and that all.
It's a clumsy move to begin with, if you will think about it, copying those application post (e.g. username, address, etc.) comes from the signature thread then just go here (ANN thread) to post it?
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Yeah, as dkbit98 said, both the clearnet and onion version is accessible at some level. But there are certainly some issues here.
The loading time for clearnet version looks normal but the TOR version isn't loading properly, looks broken, with plain text only.
Yes my internet connection is ok and I gave it several tries, refreshed it many time. Just look at this..
It's not your internet connection, but the fact that the Tor browser, by default, blocks requests from .onion to clearnet, including downloading files (css, png, js). As a matter of fact, this is why the onion version looks empty.
However, it's easy to fix it. The Mixtum team needs to use relative links for all necessary images, styles, and scripts, instead of using the format https://...
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Anyways, I am not saying this is a mistake we all should be above making, but then, I don't think the mistake was made out of being in a hurry, lets just say he made a mistake and that all.
Whatever you said is also very true but the users who did it understands better that what was his/her motive behind posting the application on this thread. Personally, I still think he/she did it in mistake and I also agree with you that he/she did it in hurry, and when someone is in hurry then he/she can make such mistakes.
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Yeah, as dkbit98 said, both the clearnet and onion version is accessible at some level. But there are certainly some issues here.
The loading time for clearnet version looks normal but the TOR version isn't loading properly, looks broken, with plain text only.
Yes my internet connection is ok and I gave it several tries, refreshed it many time. Just look at this..
It's not your internet connection, but the fact that the Tor browser, by default, blocks requests from .onion to clearnet, including downloading files (css, png, js). As a matter of fact, this is why the onion version looks empty.
However, it's easy to fix it. The Mixtum team needs to use relative links for all necessary images, styles, and scripts, instead of using the format https://...
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I would really love to learn web development, I find it really fun participating in discussions as regards development but unfortunately, I don't really know or understand much 😁
I want to use this medium to ask if there is any difference between Tor browser for mobile device (Android to be specific) and the Tor browser for pc's?
I once downloaded Tor browser on my mobile device but I was unable to make use of it because it never opens any site I tried visiting with it, it just keep loading (with a white screen) forever, doesn't matter whether or not it's a .onion or cleanet site, it's just doesn't open, at a point, I was thinking probably there were some settings or configurations I need to change to get the Browser to work, but I lacked the knowledge of how, at the end, I had no choice but to delete the app since it was just there occupying space and not useful.
So, I want to know if there are any kind of special configurations needed for mobile Tor browsers to work efficiently?
And I hope this is not derailing this thread by the way... 🤔
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It's not your internet connection, but the fact that the Tor browser, by default, blocks requests from .onion to clearnet, including downloading files (css, png, js). As a matter of fact, this is why the onion version looks empty.
However, it's easy to fix it. The Mixtum team needs to use relative links for all necessary images, styles, and scripts, instead of using the format https://...
I don't know much about that, not an Tor expert. Anyway, I have also observed this no graphical issue with other sites, for example bitcointalk, facebook when I had a bad Internet connection. That's why i said, my internet was working property.
I would really love to learn web development, I find it really fun participating in discussions as regards development but unfortunately, I don't really know or understand much 😁
I want to use this medium to ask if there is any difference between Tor browser for mobile device (Android to be specific) and the Tor browser for pc's?
So, I want to know if there are any kind of special configurations needed for mobile Tor browsers to work efficiently?
And I hope this is not derailing this thread by the way... 🤔
I don't wanna go off topic...
You should start with HTML and CSS first, both of them are quite easy to learn. Doesn't take much time actually! And after that you should start with learning JavaScript. If you are consistent you can be a Jr web developer in 5-6 months.
Less features in Android version, more in PC, but their core functionality to provide anonymity and privacy by routing traffic through the Tor network remains the same.
The issue you have mentioned isn't related to Android only! I have face this in desktop also, where it takes forever to connect. The only way I know to solve this issue is by reinstalling the application.
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I would really love to learn web development, I find it really fun participating in discussions as regards development but unfortunately, I don't really know or understand much 😁
Why not learn these web development we have lots of source of this but you can start with the basic one from here https://www.w3schools.com/html/
Just click the CSS if you want to learn about CSS or other programming languages.
I want to use this medium to ask if there is any difference between Tor browser for mobile device (Android to be specific) and the Tor browser for pc's?
I don't think there's a difference between TOR PC and Tor mobile. Using TOR browser, there might be some features gone on mobile and more features on the PC.
I once downloaded Tor browser on my mobile device but I was unable to make use of it because it never opens any site I tried visiting with it, it just keep loading (with a white screen) forever, doesn't matter whether or not it's a .onion or cleanet site, it's just doesn't open, at a point, I was thinking probably there were some settings or configurations I need to change to get the Browser to work, but I lacked the knowledge of how, at the end, I had no choice but to delete the app since it was just there occupying space and not useful.
So, I want to know if there are any kind of special configurations needed for mobile Tor browsers to work efficiently?
And I hope this is not derailing this thread by the way... 🤔
I experience the same thing in mobile version mostly it stuck at white screen or I don't if its still loading. The only solution that I did I close the Tor app and reopen it again it will work sometimes.
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I would really love to learn web development, I find it really fun participating in discussions as regards development but unfortunately, I don't really know or understand much 😁
Why not learn these web development we have lots of source of this but you can start with the basic one from here https://www.w3schools.com/html/
Just click the CSS if you want to learn about CSS or other programming languages.
HTML and css are just the beginning. The thing starts with javascript, then look for the frameworks that use javascript (react, next, vue etc)... long path, but interesting one.
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Thanks for organizing the contest, I decided to participate too. I hope that sooner or later I will be able to win in MixTum's contest. I wish good luck to all participants!
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I got a little confused about those cards.
I checked a few addresses and the balance was 0.
The winner receives a card with zero balance? Then he can add the value to the address of the card and give as a gift for example?
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I got a little confused about those cards.
I checked a few addresses and the balance was 0.
The winner receives a card with zero balance? Then he can add the value to the address of the card and give as a gift for example?
The gift is primarily a collectible cold wallet card.
Its value (with zero balance) is about $25. One day it could have a greater value because a service like Mixtum will certainly take a part of the history of the Bitcoin ecosystem. You can fund it. and it could be a great gift or even for longer-term Bitcoin storage.
Previously, there were similar raffles on another forum, although quite limited, where the cards were funded with 0.001 btc. Now there is much less hype for btc mixers, probably hence the lower value of the prize itself.
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Does anyone else still have the problem with Mixtum onion version?
Mixtum clearnet is now working fine for me, but I am still having issues with onion link, website is unusable for me with Tor browser.
Problem is not with my Tor browser because the same issue is happening in Brave Tor browser.
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Does anyone else still have the problem with Mixtum onion version?
Mixtum clearnet is now working fine for me, but I am still having issues with onion link, website is unusable for me with Tor browser.
Problem is not with my Tor browser because the same issue is happening in Brave Tor browser.
It looks like the design (CSS files) are not loaded, it looks like a draft HTML page.
Something like this:
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/31/lJjpP.png)
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Does anyone else still have the problem with Mixtum onion version?
Mixtum clearnet is now working fine for me, but I am still having issues with onion link, website is unusable for me with Tor browser.
Problem is not with my Tor browser because the same issue is happening in Brave Tor browser.
It looks like the design (CSS files) are not loaded, it looks like a draft HTML page.
Something like this:
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/31/lJjpP.png)
Sometimes it could due to poor internet connection, mostly if the CSS it isn't a custom design, that is to say a UI component library. It's to look for a better internet access and refresh the page.
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Does anyone else still have the problem with Mixtum onion version?
Mixtum clearnet is now working fine for me, but I am still having issues with onion link, website is unusable for me with Tor browser.
Problem is not with my Tor browser because the same issue is happening in Brave Tor browser.
It looks like the design (CSS files) are not loaded, it looks like a draft HTML page.
Something like this:
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/31/lJjpP.png)
Sometimes it could due to poor internet connection, mostly if the CSS it isn't a custom design, that is to say a UI component library. It's to look for a better internet access and refresh the page.
A few days ago, I wrote about why the onion version looks like this. The thing is that, for some reason, they use clearnet links to load PNG, styles, and scripts, which eventually leads to the Tor browser blocking such requests. The way to fix it is to add relative links instead of clearnet links.
Actually, if you open dev tools in the Tor browser, you will notice that there are several errors there, and you can see for yourself that the problem is in clearnet links. For example, if you manually change the link "https://assets.mixtum.io/images/logo.png" to "./images/logo.png", you will notice that the logo will appear.
Or you can use a script in the console that replaces all "https://assets.mixtum.io/" links with "./" across the page at once. This way, the onion version will display correctly, but, of course, only locally.
document.querySelectorAll('[href], [src]').forEach(el =>
el.href && (el.href = el.href.replace("https://assets.mixtum.io", "./")) ||
el.src && (el.src = el.src.replace("https://assets.mixtum.io", "./"))
);
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I got a little confused about those cards.
I checked a few addresses and the balance was 0.
The winner receives a card with zero balance? Then he can add the value to the address of the card and give as a gift for example?
The gift is primarily a collectible cold wallet card.
Its value (with zero balance) is about $25. One day it could have a greater value because a service like Mixtum will certainly take a part of the history of the Bitcoin ecosystem. You can fund it. and it could be a great gift or even for longer-term Bitcoin storage.
Previously, there were similar raffles on another forum, although quite limited, where the cards were funded with 0.001 btc. Now there is much less hype for btc mixers, probably hence the lower value of the prize itself.
I once won the same collectible for Unijoin when they were still active and advertising on this forum, but unfortunately, I never received the card until Unijoin went offline.
And i want to ask what becomes of the card if for what ever reason, the mixer that issues it ceases to exist? Does the card still retain its value as a wallet or does it become useless?
Perhaps a noob question but I am just curious to know..
And one more thing, if one funds the card and wants to withdraw the fund later, is the private key of the wallet address on the card also written on it?
I really wish or can't wait to lay my hands on one of this cards soon 😁
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And i want to ask what becomes of the card if for what ever reason, the mixer that issues it ceases to exist? Does the card still retain its value as a wallet or does it become useless?
No one can answer that for you, because we'll only know after 10+ years. For example, imagine if a similar card would have had value if it had been issued by Mt.Gox 10+ years ago. Even if mtgox has not been working for a long time, it is still a part of history.
btw. As I said earlier, a similar hardware wallet is not regularly available for under $20-$25, so even without the collector's value it's worth something.
Perhaps a noob question but I am just curious to know..
And one more thing, if one funds the card and wants to withdraw the fund later, is the private key of the wallet address on the card also written on it?
Yes, the private key is on the card, under the hologram.
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And i want to ask what becomes of the card if for what ever reason, the mixer that issues it ceases to exist? Does the card still retain its value as a wallet or does it become useless?
No one can answer that for you, because we'll only know after 10+ years. For example, imagine if a similar card would have had value if it had been issued by Mt.Gox 10+ years ago. Even if mtgox has not been working for a long time, it is still a part of history.
btw. As I said earlier, a similar hardware wallet is not regularly available for under $20-$25, so even without the collector's value it's worth something.
I am not sure that this card would be considered a hardware wallet or similar in terms of value.
I wouldn't add high amounts in it.
It certainly would be a nice gift with some bucks (or selling to collectors), but I think adding life savings would be risky.
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And i want to ask what becomes of the card if for what ever reason, the mixer that issues it ceases to exist? Does the card still retain its value as a wallet or does it become useless?
No one can answer that for you, because we'll only know after 10+ years. For example, imagine if a similar card would have had value if it had been issued by Mt.Gox 10+ years ago. Even if mtgox has not been working for a long time, it is still a part of history.
btw. As I said earlier, a similar hardware wallet is not regularly available for under $20-$25, so even without the collector's value it's worth something.
Perhaps a noob question but I am just curious to know..
And one more thing, if one funds the card and wants to withdraw the fund later, is the private key of the wallet address on the card also written on it?
Yes, the private key is on the card, under the hologram.
Does that simply mean the card is a wallet or a wallet was embedded into the card?
And also, is it a tangible thing (like an ATM card) or it's an online card that can't be touched or seen physically but retains value (like a Gift card)?
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Does that simply mean the card is a wallet or a wallet was embedded into the card?
And also, is it a tangible thing (like an ATM card) or it's an online card that can't be touched or seen physically but retains value (like a Gift card)?
Consider it as a physical plastic (branded by Mixtum) card that contains the BTC address and their private key covered by hologram. There are no rules on where and how you must use it.
So, if you win one of them, you will have it in your hand.
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Consider it as a physical plastic (branded by Mixtum) card that contains the BTC address and their private key covered by hologram. There are no rules on where and how you must use it.
So, if you win one of them, you will have it in your hand.
So it's a physical card then there arises a question that one can receive it anywhere in the world when that person wins the card or the winner has to bear the delivery expenses?
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Consider it as a physical plastic (branded by Mixtum) card that contains the BTC address and their private key covered by hologram. There are no rules on where and how you must use it.
So, if you win one of them, you will have it in your hand.
So it's a physical card then there arises a question that one can receive it anywhere in the world when that person wins the card or the winner has to bear the delivery expenses?
That's true, is distance not a barrier in this case? If the company giving the reward is very far from the winner of the reward. Let's say the company base in Europe and the receiver is in Africa....
Would it be shipped to the location of the receiver? And it sounds rare for a company to transport just a card all the way from base to the location of the receiver otherwise they have gathered alot of goods to send to that location.
And also, would the receiver have to fill a delivery form?
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It looks like the design (CSS files) are not loaded, it looks like a draft HTML page.
Something like this:
I am getting the same result, that makes onion website unusable.
Someone should notify Mixtum team about this issue, and if they know about it they should fix it asap.
I don't suggest using clearnet website for any mixers.
Sometimes it could due to poor internet connection, mostly if the CSS it isn't a custom design, that is to say a UI component library. It's to look for a better internet access and refresh the page.
Yeah sure buddy, go ahead and do it yourself ::)
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Someone should notify Mixtum team about this issue, and if they know about it they should fix it asap.
I don't suggest using clearnet website for any mixers.
I agree, nobody should use clearnet when seeking privacy.
The same applies to kycfree exchanges such as exch , sideswap etc.
Privacy is something fragile we need to take care with many actions
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And i want to ask what becomes of the card if for what ever reason, the mixer that issues it ceases to exist? Does the card still retain its value as a wallet or does it become useless?
No one can answer that for you, because we'll only know after 10+ years. For example, imagine if a similar card would have had value if it had been issued by Mt.Gox 10+ years ago. Even if mtgox has not been working for a long time, it is still a part of history.
btw. As I said earlier, a similar hardware wallet is not regularly available for under $20-$25, so even without the collector's value it's worth something.
I am not sure that this card would be considered a hardware wallet or similar in terms of value.
I wouldn't add high amounts in it.
It certainly would be a nice gift with some bucks (or selling to collectors), but I think adding life savings would be risky.
Very right, I can't leave a life savings on such party issued card mostly from a service that is a high target like mixers, having to save a huge amount of assets on such a card is a too much risk that no one should take not for anything because when the mixer that issues the card seized to exist, your money stored can be considered as a list for ever.
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Consider it as a physical plastic (branded by Mixtum) card that contains the BTC address and their private key covered by hologram. There are no rules on where and how you must use it.
So, if you win one of them, you will have it in your hand.
So it's a physical card then there arises a question that one can receive it anywhere in the world when that person wins the card or the winner has to bear the delivery expenses?
From what I learnt from the contest page, if you win the card, you will be contacted through pm to email your location/address and means of contacting you, like phone number or something to the email given you or maybe you can just send that details to the user that contacts your here on the forum using the forum's private messaging system.
The card will be shipped to your provided location and address, you won't or don't have to bear the shipping cost, I believe mixtum takes care of that themself.
Maybe what you will have to pay to the courier or postal office where you pick up the card from is a collection fee and that all, usually a tiny amount, collection can also be free in some part of my country though, I know because I do receive items from abroad from time to time.
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From what I learnt from the contest page, if you win the card, you will be contacted through pm to email your location/address and means of contacting you, like phone number or something to the email given you or maybe you can just send that details to the user that contacts your here on the forum using the forum's private messaging system.
The card will be shipped to your provided location and address; you won't or don't have to bear the shipping cost, I believe mixtum takes care of that themself.
Maybe what you will have to pay to the courier or postal office where you pick up the card from is a collection fee and that all, usually a tiny amount, collection can also be free in some part of my country though, I know because I do receive items from abroad from time to time.
I heard they take responsibility for the shipping cost for free, no matter where you live. The only problem is if you receive this card, will the shipping company in your local area ask for fees? Like you said, a collection fees but not only this, you will also pay customs handling fees and tax. It's not included from shipping cost if you are living outside that country or if you receive it abroad, then you need to pay custom fees, but if the goods are valued below $200, you don't need to pay this, at least here in my country.
I don't know for other countries, but here you should receive it for free unless you decide to contact locally to deliver this good directly to your house; it's a handling or brokerage fee just like DHL offers.
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Mate, this is not a thread for campaign applications, and no one will look at your application here, and for this there is another thread in the Signature Campaigns section, so you need to drop your application there.
I personally think that it was posted here by mistake and sometimes such mistakes do happen. Mostly users who are in hurry to join a campaign often make such mistakes and I hope the OP has got your message and that's why he/she has deleted the post.
Hi there, I hope you are doing well. I was busy in my Eid holidays, and now, Alhamdulillah, I'm back and active on the forum! That is why I could not reply to your post on time. Well, dear, I did not know if we can delete our post by ourselves, and what I know is that we can remove words from our post and write "delete post, and moderators delete it. CMIIW! That is why I thought the moderator deleted that post.
My intention of pointing it out to him/her that time was to guide the user on the correct way of applying in the campaign, as at that time he/she had applied on both threads, ANN and the campaign application thread as well.
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Does that simply mean the card is a wallet or a wallet was embedded into the card?
And also, is it a tangible thing (like an ATM card) or it's an online card that can't be touched or seen physically but retains value (like a Gift card)?
I am not sure that this card would be considered a hardware wallet or similar in terms of value.
I wouldn't add high amounts in it.
It certainly would be a nice gift with some bucks (or selling to collectors), but I think adding life savings would be risky.
Consider it as a physical plastic (branded by Mixtum) card that contains the BTC address and their private key covered by hologram. There are no rules on where and how you must use it.
So, if you win one of them, you will have it in your hand.
The card shouldn't be compared to a soft or hw or used as such. It's merely a decorative item, where we can send funds to the address printed on the card.
It isn't for depositing life-long amounts, it's just something symbolic, importing it to your wallet in a secure and offline manner, preferably in a bitcoin core wallet, since the key is imported into the keystore and whenever you use the card address to receive funds, you will also receive it in your bitcoin core wallet if the card address/key is imported there.
If I were given one of these collector's items, I would use it this way.
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if you are living outside that country or if you receive it abroad, then you need to pay custom fees, but if the goods are valued below $200, you don't need to pay this, at least here in my country.
In the case of the Mixtum card, how would it be valued. The cost of the card production or the amount of BTC the card contains. Obviously, the logistics won't understand that the card carries some funds or they might also understand because cards carry nothing but funds. So, how will they be able to value the content of the card?
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Consider it as a physical plastic (branded by Mixtum) card that contains the BTC address and their private key covered by hologram. There are no rules on where and how you must use it.
So, if you win one of them, you will have it in your hand.
So it's a physical card then there arises a question that one can receive it anywhere in the world when that person wins the card or the winner has to bear the delivery expenses?
Very correct it can be shipped into your country and for sure it works anywhere, the only question arises surrounding their durability in terms of long-term services and not running into any issues especially since this card is issued by a mixer which has a history of getting climb down by the authority at any time.
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Very correct it can be shipped into your country and for sure it works anywhere, the only question arises surrounding their durability in terms of long-term services and not running into any issues especially since this card is issued by a mixer which has a history of getting climb down by the authority at any time.
Wait, customs won't know the contents of the box, right? Unless the sender specify exactly a plastic card related to BTC or Mixer in the contents declaration, which I don't think will be the case. Just have as little information as possible, like a decorative item card, so as not to draw attention, as if you were importing some small decorative artifact.
In any case, if it's a country that has certain restrictions on the use of BTC (although I don't think a customs agent would stop the product for a simple card, and what are the chances that he would know that it's a mixer?) you can make an agreement with the MixTum team to include some description in the contents declaration that doesn't draw attention.
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Very correct it can be shipped into your country and for sure it works anywhere, the only question arises surrounding their durability in terms of long-term services and not running into any issues especially since this card is issued by a mixer which has a history of getting climb down by the authority at any time.
Wait, customs won't know the contents of the box, right? Unless the sender specify exactly a plastic card related to BTC or Mixer in the contents declaration, which I don't think will be the case. Just have as little information as possible, like a decorative item card, so as not to draw attention, as if you were importing some small decorative artifact.
In any case, if it's a country that has certain restrictions on the use of BTC (although I don't think a customs agent would stop the product for a simple card, and what are the chances that he would know that it's a mixer?) you can make an agreement with the MixTum team to include some description in the contents declaration that doesn't draw attention.
Not sure, I'm still skeptical about what you said. Even if we assume they won't know the content, they will likely get suspicious after seeing the sender's info. I don't know about other places, but the custom officers in my country are filled with corruption. They always try to check who is sending what! I've always wanted to order a hardware wallet from abroad but never did because of this issue. Cryptocurrency is banned here, but hardware wallets certainly aren't.
There have been many incidents where customs officers have illegally seized passengers belongings. For example, as per the rules, we are allowed to bring two phones tax free. I saw a video where they seized the passengers phones (he brought 2). They gave him the cheaper one but took the expensive one (an iPhone)
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Not sure, I'm still skeptical about what you said. Even if we assume they won't know the content, they will likely get suspicious after seeing the sender's info. I don't know about other places, but the custom officers in my country are filled with corruption. They always try to check who is sending what! I've always wanted to order a hardware wallet from abroad but never did because of this issue. Cryptocurrency is banned here, but hardware wallets certainly aren't.
There have been many incidents where customs officers have illegally seized passengers belongings. For example, as per the rules, we are allowed to bring two phones tax free. I saw a video where they seized the passengers phones (he brought 2). They gave him the cheaper one but took the expensive one (an iPhone)
Hey Mixtum community!
That phone story is quite weird, but you can still create your own cold storage. It is not similar to a hardware wallet, but it functions quite similarly.
You can convert your old smartphone or any new Android phone into a cold storage, let me know your country if you are from the same region as mine maybe you will be able to understand urdu, and I can forward you the exact details here in this post in an edit.
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The card shouldn't be compared to a soft or hw or used as such. It's merely a decorative item, where we can send funds to the address printed on the card.
It isn't for depositing life-long amounts, it's just something symbolic, importing it to your wallet in a secure and offline manner, preferably in a bitcoin core wallet, since the key is imported into the keystore and whenever you use the card address to receive funds, you will also receive it in your bitcoin core wallet if the card address/key is imported there.
If I were given one of these collector's items, I would use it this way.
BTC address and private key printed on card. Ideally, it is assumed to be the only copy. Isn't that a wallet? Isn't it more of a wallet than any exchange (exchanges, which many consider as a wallet)?
Isn't even such an option much safer than many exchanges that have been hacked and the countless number of cases where users have lost money because they kept their assets on an unreliable service
btw. I'm not saying that such a card is ideal and that life savings should be encouraged on it, but it is certainly no less reliable than most online services.
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Not sure, I'm still skeptical about what you said. Even if we assume they won't know the content, they will likely get suspicious after seeing the sender's info. I don't know about other places, but the custom officers in my country are filled with corruption. They always try to check who is sending what! I've always wanted to order a hardware wallet from abroad but never did because of this issue. Cryptocurrency is banned here, but hardware wallets certainly aren't.
There have been many incidents where customs officers have illegally seized passengers belongings. For example, as per the rules, we are allowed to bring two phones tax free. I saw a video where they seized the passengers phones (he brought 2). They gave him the cheaper one but took the expensive one (an iPhone)
That's ridiculous and frankly that makes me upset.
Imagine traveling somewhere and getting harassed by customs over electronics. Over cash I understand, and there are laws about this, and even hardware wallets to some extent, but arbitrary other possessions that aren't even monetary in nature should be left alone.
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That's ridiculous and frankly that makes me upset.
Imagine traveling somewhere and getting harassed by customs over electronics. Over cash I understand, and there are laws about this, and even hardware wallets to some extent, but arbitrary other possessions that aren't even monetary in nature should be left alone.
I know it may sound ridiculous, and and somewhat unbelievable but it's the truth. Just look at this video, though you won't understood what he is shouting about. He is giving the customs officers open challenge if they can find any illegal things, take the necessary steps according to the law. But why would they took his phone. He is allowed to carry two phones. He is shouting because they took one of his phones, the expensive one. He is calling them thief and many names. These corrupt officers target these people and try to squeeze money out of them..
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/165dzZjPtn/
In fact I have won raffle like this multiple times! And every time I gave it away to Gazeta from Btt (you know whom I'm talking about). The last one I won was the time capsule from Krogoth! I didn't wanna take the risk or the pain, again gave it away!
You can convert your old smartphone or any new Android phone into a cold storage, let me know your country if you are from the same region as mine maybe you will be able to understand urdu, and I can forward you the exact details here in this post in an edit.
I do understand a little bit of urdu but not very fluent, as I am from Bangladesh! English is fine by me, btw! If you want, send me a PM of the details! ;)
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Not sure, I'm still skeptical about what you said. Even if we assume they won't know the content, they will likely get suspicious after seeing the sender's info. I don't know about other places, but the custom officers in my country are filled with corruption. They always try to check who is sending what! I've always wanted to order a hardware wallet from abroad but never did because of this issue. Cryptocurrency is banned here, but hardware wallets certainly aren't.
There have been many incidents where customs officers have illegally seized passengers belongings. For example, as per the rules, we are allowed to bring two phones tax free. I saw a video where they seized the passengers phones (he brought 2). They gave him the cheaper one but took the expensive one (an iPhone)
Well, I've worked with ecommerce and I know that a well packaged product with a discreet description of its contents usually passes as one of the hundreds of boxes that arrive every day. That doesn't guarantee it won't be inspected, but it helps avoid drawing attention during customs screening.
Damn… I’ve never seen such absurdity. Actually, here in brazil it's not much different, with the exception that Bitcoin related aren't banned. But when it comes to imports, the brasilian government taxes goods with up to 60% import duty and also charges ICMS (which ranges from 17% to 25%) depending on the state. We have a system called "Remessa Conforme" (shipment as per) that aims to simplify and speed up tax collection on goods and release products faster. In some cases, like purchases on aliexpress from stores in the “Remessa Conforme” program, the final tax can reach 92% or more. That’s right: you practically pay for two products: one for you and one for the government lol.
Anyone from brazil knows exactly how it works: taxes on top of taxes, bureaucracy, delays, and a constant feeling that the system was designed to make things harder.
BTC address and private key printed on card. Ideally, it is assumed to be the only copy. Isn't that a wallet? Isn't it more of a wallet than any exchange (exchanges, which many consider as a wallet)?
Isn't even such an option much safer than many exchanges that have been hacked and the countless number of cases where users have lost money because they kept their assets on an unreliable service
btw. I'm not saying that such a card is ideal and that life savings should be encouraged on it, but it is certainly no less reliable than most online services.
I get your point, a card with a printed privkey is certainly safer, as long as it is the only copy, it's still a wallet. It's comparable to a paper wallet, but a paper wallet is only used once, due to the good practice of not reusing the address. But it's also a collector's item that the person who received it will keep as a decorative item as well, but it's still a wallet, I just don't think we should keep significant amounts of money, in the same way that I think it isn't appropriate to keep significant amounts of money in a single paper wallet.
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Not sure, I'm still skeptical about what you said. Even if we assume they won't know the content, they will likely get suspicious after seeing the sender's info. I don't know about other places, but the custom officers in my country are filled with corruption. They always try to check who is sending what! I've always wanted to order a hardware wallet from abroad but never did because of this issue. Cryptocurrency is banned here, but hardware wallets certainly aren't.
There have been many incidents where customs officers have illegally seized passengers belongings. For example, as per the rules, we are allowed to bring two phones tax free. I saw a video where they seized the passengers phones (he brought 2). They gave him the cheaper one but took the expensive one (an iPhone)
You sure do have a very good point, one that have made me think deep and came to a possible realization or reason why I never got or received my card from Unijoin when they were still active..
Just like mixtum now, I believe many of us will remember that unijoin also held a similar contest where users can win Unijoin customized cards with Bitcoin wallet, I happen to win in one of the contest, I was contacted and I provided all needed information and the card was shipped to my address, but I never got any call informing me I had a parcel to claim even till date, it's very possible that the custom officers seized it so the parcel didnt get to my post office.
And this is possible because cryptocurrencies and it's related transactions are banned in Nigeria as well, though I am beginning to hear rumors that this ban will be lifted soon.
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.., but I never got any call informing me I had a parcel to claim even till date, it's very possible that the custom officers seized it so the parcel didnt get to my post office.
But you were provided with tracking number of the shipment, right? Where you can track it when it receives on your area. If yes, then the problem was on the shipping company on your area, sometimes it take months before they organized then contact you especially to government controlled postal service. I experience it as well, and i was annoyed, until i got a call 3-5 month later from the postal service. Lol
But when I won a Cryptosteel capsule from an exch raffle, it was shipped and delivered super fast. It even felt like a local delivery since they used a different, more efficient courier.
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You sure do have a very good point, one that have made me think deep and came to a possible realization or reason why I never got or received my card from Unijoin when they were still active..
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Could be, something like this can also happens, noting is impossible.
The things I said before isn't some kind of fairy tale! They really check whether the parcel is of high value or not. Also all the airport officials follows this specific way! When they see you didn't bought much, they simply let you go, but when it's about money, jewelry, they target these people! I have seen many station where they illegally tried to seize the peoples funds, so I won't be surprised with such behavior.
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And this is possible because cryptocurrencies and it's related transactions are banned in Nigeria as well, though I am beginning to hear rumors that this ban will be lifted soon.
Is not really banned perse. Just banks are prevented in engaging in any crypto related schemes.
Our customs officer ain't the type one want to have a contact with
Greed is their middle name.
I have not won such contest and Would have love to have a Bitcoin related collectible
But don't know if it's worth the risk. The drama.
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Imagine traveling somewhere and getting harassed by customs over electronics. Over cash I understand, and there are laws about this, and even hardware wallets to some extent, but arbitrary other possessions that aren't even monetary in nature should be left alone.
It's happening more than you think, and they are going to route of forcing everyone to use digital CBDC that must be used with stupid smartphones... you see the route they are going.
I think they even have backdoor access to almost all smartphones made today, so it's hard to hide anything, and with CBDC they could track everything.
But you were provided with tracking number of the shipment, right? Where you can track it when it receives on your area. If yes, then the problem was on the shipping company on your area, sometimes it take months before they organized then contact you especially to government controlled postal service. I experience it as well, and i was annoyed, until i got a call 3-5 month later from the postal service. Lol
International shipping is a messy bussines, and some countries have bad reputation... I heard that about local post service in Brazil, don't know if that is true.
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Not sure, I'm still skeptical about what you said. Even if we assume they won't know the content, they will likely get suspicious after seeing the sender's info. I don't know about other places, but the custom officers in my country are filled with corruption. They always try to check who is sending what! I've always wanted to order a hardware wallet from abroad but never did because of this issue. Cryptocurrency is banned here, but hardware wallets certainly aren't.
There have been many incidents where customs officers have illegally seized passengers belongings. For example, as per the rules, we are allowed to bring two phones tax free. I saw a video where they seized the passengers phones (he brought 2). They gave him the cheaper one but took the expensive one (an iPhone)
That's ridiculous and frankly that makes me upset.
Imagine traveling somewhere and getting harassed by customs over electronics. Over cash I understand, and there are laws about this, and even hardware wallets to some extent, but arbitrary other possessions that aren't even monetary in nature should be left alone.
The customs who has been set to place ban/embargo on illegal goods is no more considering what is illegal rather they claim a legal goods to be illegal and then seize it. I wonder the corrupt mindset amongst these groups.
It now becomes so hard to order expensive goods that are not very common in my nation from other countries because of the fear of it not getting seized by the custom duties.
And the worst thing is that, in attempt to go and claim your own goods that was seized, you'll spend a lot of money in settling different calibres in the sector and this causes discouragement and most people forget about the goods... Mind you, the goods that the custom claims to be illegal, you'll see them in their household or they go and sell it in the commodity market.
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And this is possible because cryptocurrencies and it's related transactions are banned in Nigeria as well, though I am beginning to hear rumors that this ban will be lifted soon.
Is not really banned perse. Just banks are prevented in engaging in any crypto related schemes.
Only banks are prevented from carrying out crypto transactions but way back 2023, a crypto trader's bank account was containing hundreds in millions of naira was frozen by the bank because they suspected he was into crypto, yeah, the matter later landed in the court and after a very long legal battle, the dude won the case and his account from unfrozen, but you know the only reason he won that case was because of the kind of backing and people he knows in top places who intervened in the matter, else, he would have lost hundreds in million to the nigerian government and would have also be sent to jail.
Why are we being told never to include any crypto related stuffs in our reference when trading p2p if crypto transaction is not banned for individuals?
We are being lead by a government that say one, and does two or three, whether or not crypto is banned for only banks, individuals still need to be very careful.
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The card shouldn't be compared to a soft or hw or used as such. It's merely a decorative item, where we can send funds to the address printed on the card.
It isn't for depositing life-long amounts, it's just something symbolic, importing it to your wallet in a secure and offline manner, preferably in a bitcoin core wallet, since the key is imported into the keystore and whenever you use the card address to receive funds, you will also receive it in your bitcoin core wallet if the card address/key is imported there.
If I were given one of these collector's items, I would use it this way.
BTC address and private key printed on card. Ideally, it is assumed to be the only copy. Isn't that a wallet? Isn't it more of a wallet than any exchange (exchanges, which many consider as a wallet)?
Isn't even such an option much safer than many exchanges that have been hacked and the countless number of cases where users have lost money because they kept their assets on an unreliable service
btw. I'm not saying that such a card is ideal and that life savings should be encouraged on it, but it is certainly no less reliable than most online services.
I have never thought of it that way. Do you mean that the Mixtum card could otherwise be used as a hardware wallet? Lol
But if that be the only copy (which we assume), reusing the address and keeping safe the private key could serve as a temporary wallet which is better than exchange wallets that many use.
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Could be, something like this can also happens, noting is impossible.
The things I said before isn't some kind of fairy tale! They really check whether the parcel is of high value or not. Also all the airport officials follows this specific way! When they see you didn't bought much, they simply let you go, but when it's about money, jewelry, they target these people! I have seen many station where they illegally tried to seize the peoples funds, so I won't be surprised with such behavior.
This is cowardice to say the least and is at Soviet levels.
International shipping is a messy bussines, and some countries have bad reputation... I heard that about local post service in Brazil, don't know if that is true.
The funny thing is that, at least in the country where I live(brazil), the government seizes such products if you don't pay the fee they decide on, but then they hold an auction of the seized goods that didn’t pay their due taxes to the government mafia.
In brazil, the import process for individuals has become increasingly complicated. Whenever I imported, I was not taxed at all, but now the government has tightened the siege with the "shipment in accordance (https://www.gov.br/receitafederal/pt-br/assuntos/aduana-e-comercio-exterior/manuais/remessas-postal-e-expressa/regras-futuras)" policy, so I stopped importing because of this.
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It seems that US has made a complete turn towards mixers, and we will see if this will have an impact on the decision to ban their advertising on BTT. If that were to happen, I wonder if they would stop advertising on this forum?
...Executive Order 14178 tasks the Justice Department and others with "protecting and promoting" (1) "the ability of individual citizens and private-sector entities alike to access and use for lawful purposes open public blockchain networks without persecution"; and (2) "fair and open access to banking services for all law-abiding individual citizens and private-sector entities alike." In response to those taskings, the Justice Department will stop participating in regulation by prosecution in this space. Specifically, the Department will no longer target virtual currency exchanges, mixing and tumbling services, and offline wallets for the acts of their end users or unwitting violations of regulations-except to the extent the investigation is consistent with the priorities articulated in the following paragraphs.
Posted on BTT -> Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5525515.msg65258653#msg65258653)
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The funny thing is that, at least in the country where I live(brazil), the government seizes such products if you don't pay the fee they decide on, but then they hold an auction of the seized goods that didn’t pay their due taxes to the government mafia.
It looks like this a profitable business for them :)
Maybe it's easier to just travel to some country that is offering what you want to buy directly in their shop, but than against customs could mess with you for bigger items when you come back.
In brazil, the import process for individuals has become increasingly complicated. Whenever I imported, I was not taxed at all, but now the government has tightened the siege with the "shipment in accordance (https://www.gov.br/receitafederal/pt-br/assuntos/aduana-e-comercio-exterior/manuais/remessas-postal-e-expressa/regras-futuras)" policy, so I stopped importing because of this.
I think some import tax should exist for all countries, but would not complicate things to much and add crazy restrictions.
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It looks like this a profitable business for them :)
Maybe it's easier to just travel to some country that is offering what you want to buy directly in their shop, but than against customs could mess with you for bigger items when you come back.
You have a valid point, as long as it's not an item considered 'luxury' like iPhones (in which case people bring them without packaging box to claim personal use)... or by using redirection services, where I could negotiate with the forwarder to declare a value below the tax-exempt threshold, though I'm unsure if this tactic might trigger fiscal penalties.
Some people also carry the products in their carry-on luggage.
I think some import tax should exist for all countries, but would not complicate things to much and add crazy restrictions.
Here, one of the most absurd and disproportionate things is the taxation "to protect" national industry. :D
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It seems that US has made a complete turn towards mixers, and we will see if this will have an impact on the decision to ban their advertising on BTT. If that were to happen, I wonder if they would stop advertising on this forum?
Theymos seems to still be leaning on the fence to watch the Trump administration yet. He is still skeptical, maybe he has some trust issues lol. He said he will not make any reversal until he watch Trump for 1 year.
That is an extremely good development! I've also been pleased to see several other actions like that, such as removing Tornado Cash from the sanctions list. However, President Trump has only been in office for a few months, and the actual effects of these stated policy positions won't be clear for a while. The Biden administration also said that mixers aren't necessarily illegal, and that they weren't anti-crypto. Actions and time will speak louder than words. So I probably won't consider reversing the mixer ban until Trump has been in office for a full year, and we have a fuller picture of how his administration actually operates in these areas.
As if mixers here will automatically abandon here and return to the other forum. It will be bad to treat the place that welcomed them in such a way. The managers may decide to run the campaign in the two forums simultaneously for sometime before they totally switch to the other forum.
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It seems that US has made a complete turn towards mixers, and we will see if this will have an impact on the decision to ban their advertising on BTT. If that were to happen, I wonder if they would stop advertising on this forum?
theymos is right here. We should wait at least a year with Trump because he is obviously unpredictable and easily changes his views. (Tariff pause, the most obvious).
Plus, the EU must accept this kind of resolution, and it will be seen even better through behavior in a similar situation like a Tornado Cash. We have to be patient, but this is certainly a good step towards understanding the crypto ecosystem and a possible announcement of curbs on the generation of new services.
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theymos is right here. We should wait at least a year with Trump because he is obviously unpredictable and easily changes his views. (Tariff pause, the most obvious).
Plus, the EU must accept this kind of resolution, and it will be seen even better through behavior in a similar situation like a Tornado Cash. We have to be patient, but this is certainly a good step towards understanding the crypto ecosystem and a possible announcement of curbs on the generation of new services.
I agree with you, mate. I also lose my trust level for Trump, haha, as he took a total reverse from his own words, where he was saying all countries need us , not we need them; they need to negotiate with us to settle down these trade wars, and we are generating $2 billion daily profit from these tariffs, and after all that, he is stopping this trade war for 90 days, and I am sure he must have a plan behind this reverse. What do you think?
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It seems that US has made a complete turn towards mixers, and we will see if this will have an impact on the decision to ban their advertising on BTT. If that were to happen, I wonder if they would stop advertising on this forum?
...Executive Order 14178 tasks the Justice Department and others with "protecting and promoting" (1) "the ability of individual citizens and private-sector entities alike to access and use for lawful purposes open public blockchain networks without persecution"; and (2) "fair and open access to banking services for all law-abiding individual citizens and private-sector entities alike." In response to those taskings, the Justice Department will stop participating in regulation by prosecution in this space. Specifically, the Department will no longer target virtual currency exchanges, mixing and tumbling services, and offline wallets for the acts of their end users or unwitting violations of regulations-except to the extent the investigation is consistent with the priorities articulated in the following paragraphs.
Posted on BTT -> Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5525515.msg65258653#msg65258653)
This nice information. Thanks for bringing it here. I think the former president of US was not a crypto friendly one and if the current president is a crypto friendly one and which he has shown small, then mixers might come back to BTT again and the way it is, mixers will not stop advertising in this forum since they were not stopped when it happened in their BTT forum. But once mixers accept to do KYC then the privacy of it has been eliminated.
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Some people also carry the products in their carry-on luggage.
They are scanning carry-on luggage also, and they can always ask you to open it for inspections.
I even heard people having issues because of sunglasses with customs 8)
Metal object can always be considered suspicious, so I wouldn't carry stainless seed backups for traveling with planes.
theymos is right here. We should wait at least a year with Trump because he is obviously unpredictable and easily changes his views. (Tariff pause, the most obvious).
Plus, the EU must accept this kind of resolution, and it will be seen even better through behavior in a similar situation like a Tornado Cash. We have to be patient, but this is certainly a good step towards understanding the crypto ecosystem and a possible announcement of curbs on the generation of new services.
I think we could see EU and United States on different sides next year for many things, but let's wait and see.
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It seems that US has made a complete turn towards mixers, and we will see if this will have an impact on the decision to ban their advertising on BTT. If that were to happen, I wonder if they would stop advertising on this forum?
theymos is right here. We should wait at least a year with Trump because he is obviously unpredictable and easily changes his views. (Tariff pause, the most obvious).
Plus, the EU must accept this kind of resolution, and it will be seen even better through behavior in a similar situation like a Tornado Cash. We have to be patient, but this is certainly a good step towards understanding the crypto ecosystem and a possible announcement of curbs on the generation of new services.
Sorry, what exactly do you mean by "Theymos is right here"?, do you mean that Theymos is right here on this forum or do you mean that he is right active and following the updates on mixers?
If the former is what you meant, then that's great news, but I am also wondering what could he be possibly doing here 🤔😂? If you are so sure, I did like to know the alias he's accessing this forum with, if the username is "Theymos", then are you sure it's not someone else impersonating him?
Any ways, I did love to see mixers return to the other forum, while they continue being active on this forum as well, atleast, for the fact that this forum kept its doors open when the other forum shut its door against mixers.
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Sorry, what exactly do you mean by "Theymos is right here"?, do you mean that Theymos is right here on this forum or do you mean that he is right active and following the updates on mixers?
Oh man, does it have to be drama?
I will correct my autocorrect. theymos is right on this one:
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Theymos seems to still be leaning on the fence to watch the Trump administration yet. He is still skeptical, maybe he has some trust issues lol. He said he will not make any reversal until he watch Trump for 1 year.
Theymos is a very smart person and that's why whatever decision he takes has some good point of view behind it. He has been managing the forum for many years and he knows that how someone living in US having a forum like that should act.
That's why I think this forum is still the best place for mixers as of now and if in future mixers somehow get allowed to advertise on Bitcointalk once again then surely they'll get more exposure at that forum due to high traffic.
However, I still believe that this forum will continue to thrive and some of the mixers will prefer to advertise on this forum as well, and they won't stop their advertisements from this forum no matter if they get to advertise their services on Bitcointalk. That's my personal opinion.
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SamReomo, it is clear that representatives of mixers will look for sites for advertising and stay on them for as long as possible, if there is such an opportunity and the advertising has a real effect. AltcoinsTalk forum is just very well suited for advertising regardless of the economic and political decisions of the US authorities. In principle, if you position this forum as a favorable place for advertising mixers, then in time there will be more traffic and more competitive environment. And in competition, a better quality product and new advances in the industry are always born.
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It seems that US has made a complete turn towards mixers, and we will see if this will have an impact on the decision to ban their advertising on BTT. If that were to happen, I wonder if they would stop advertising on this forum?
theymos is right here. We should wait at least a year with Trump because he is obviously unpredictable and easily changes his views. (Tariff pause, the most obvious).
I agree, some kind of instant change when it comes to changing a decision would be hasty, and considering who is pulling these moves, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually a trap aimed at getting people to relax and do things they wouldn't otherwise do - that way they become careless and easier to catch.
Plus, the EU must accept this kind of resolution, and it will be seen even better through behavior in a similar situation like a Tornado Cash. We have to be patient, but this is certainly a good step towards understanding the crypto ecosystem and a possible announcement of curbs on the generation of new services.
I see that some other people have the same opinion, but when we talk about BTT, then we all know that the forum is based in the US and that the admin is their citizen, so in that context the opinion of the EU is completely irrelevant.
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It seems that US has made a complete turn towards mixers, and we will see if this will have an impact on the decision to ban their advertising on BTT. If that were to happen, I wonder if they would stop advertising on this forum?
Theymos seems to still be leaning on the fence to watch the Trump administration yet. He is still skeptical, maybe he has some trust issues lol. He said he will not make any reversal until he watch Trump for 1 year.
That is an extremely good development! I've also been pleased to see several other actions like that, such as removing Tornado Cash from the sanctions list. However, President Trump has only been in office for a few months, and the actual effects of these stated policy positions won't be clear for a while. The Biden administration also said that mixers aren't necessarily illegal, and that they weren't anti-crypto. Actions and time will speak louder than words. So I probably won't consider reversing the mixer ban until Trump has been in office for a full year, and we have a fuller picture of how his administration actually operates in these areas.
As if mixers here will automatically abandon here and return to the other forum. It will be bad to treat the place that welcomed them in such a way. The managers may decide to run the campaign in the two forums simultaneously for sometime before they totally switch to the other forum.
Well o well, let us stop assuming the thoughts and stands of Theymos as far as this mixer issue is concerned, most of the mixers already know both forums and have enough funding to run multiple campaigns on both forums and even outside forums too, so for sure there is nothing to worry about whether mixer banned is lifted in bitcointalk or not.
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Friends, it's time to try your luck. We are pleased to announce an exciting new raffle and we want you to take part!
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Good luck to all participants!
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It's so nice to visit the topic and the first thing you see is the resumption of FREE RAFFLES. I'm very glad that MixTum is launching them again. Thanks to inspace! It even seems to me that compared to previous contests, more slots have been allocated here, and therefore more participants will be able to take part. Good luck to everyone!
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Friends, it's time to try your luck. We are pleased to announce an exciting new raffle and we want you to take part!
🛡️ MixTum.io| Premium Bitcoin Mixer [FREE RAFFLE] (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=329487.0)
Participate and get a chance to win a custom MixTum card! 🎁
Good luck to all participants!
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I think you need to update the thread there are many participants joining on the raffle.
My favorite number already taken so I'll wait for the next raffle.
It's so nice to visit the topic and the first thing you see is the resumption of FREE RAFFLES. I'm very glad that MixTum is launching them again. Thanks to inspace! It even seems to me that compared to previous contests, more slots have been allocated here, and therefore more participants will be able to take part. Good luck to everyone!
I think they launching the raffle every two weeks so keep joining before all spot are filled.
The last raffle salad daging got the card.
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I think they launching the raffle every two weeks so keep joining before all spot are filled.
The last raffle salad daging got the card.
I hope to be lucky again with this FREE RAFFLE. :P
This will be a great collectible card to display at home. :D And it turns out that there are still many remaining cards that have not been free raffled, maybe other people can get a chance to win, because as far as I know this is only round 3.
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I hope to be lucky again with this FREE RAFFLE. :P
This will be a great collectible card to display at home. :D And it turns out that there are still many remaining cards that have not been free raffled, maybe other people can get a chance to win, because as far as I know this is only round 3.
Your prize has already been delivered and a tracking code has been sent to your PM. Congratulations again! :)
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theymos is right here. We should wait at least a year with Trump because he is obviously unpredictable and easily changes his views. (Tariff pause, the most obvious).
I agree.
I believe that after one or two years we will a much more crypto friendly legislation in US. This may make theymos make new decisions regarding mixers in the forum.
It would be an amazing change to BTT. I don't know what would happen here in such case...
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theymos is right here. We should wait at least a year with Trump because he is obviously unpredictable and easily changes his views. (Tariff pause, the most obvious).
I agree.
I believe that after one or two years we will a much more crypto friendly legislation in US. This may make theymos make new decisions regarding mixers in the forum.
It would be an amazing change to BTT. I don't know what would happen here in such case...
The return of mixers will be amazing in BTT, we will begin to see campaigns paying as high as $200 weekly.
Much will not happen here then, but I think some mixer campaigns will remain here. They wouldn't just abandon the forum that gave them solace during their trying time. They could just divide their campaign funds 70:30 or 80:20 and continue advertising here.
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I agree.
I believe that after one or two years we will a much more crypto friendly legislation in US. This may make theymos make new decisions regarding mixers in the forum.
It would be an amazing change to BTT. I don't know what would happen here in such case...
The return of mixers will be amazing in BTT, we will begin to see campaigns paying as high as $200 weekly.
Much will not happen here then, but I think some mixer campaigns will remain here. They wouldn't just abandon the forum that gave them solace during their trying time. They could just divide their campaign funds 70:30 or 80:20 and continue advertising here.
The time of the mixer campaigns on BTT was really good. The competition, as well as the generous payouts, were at a high level.
Let's ignore the campaign signatures for a moment, but the biggest loss is the absence of official mixer representatives on this forum.
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It's so nice to visit the topic and the first thing you see is the resumption of FREE RAFFLES. I'm very glad that MixTum is launching them again. Thanks to inspace! It even seems to me that compared to previous contests, more slots have been allocated here, and therefore more participants will be able to take part. Good luck to everyone!
Yeah, such excitement to see freebies along the line, most especially when you have been off for a Long from a thread or are a newcomer to the ANN thread, but from your comment, it shows you have been a regular visitor to this ANN thread and have taken some break and resuming now to see a free raffle being mentioned by the team nice one.
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theymos is right here. We should wait at least a year with Trump because he is obviously unpredictable and easily changes his views. (Tariff pause, the most obvious).
I agree.
I believe that after one or two years we will a much more crypto friendly legislation in US. This may make theymos make new decisions regarding mixers in the forum.
It would be an amazing change to BTT. I don't know what would happen here in such case...
The return of mixers will be amazing in BTT, we will begin to see campaigns paying as high as $200 weekly.
Much will not happen here then, but I think some mixer campaigns will remain here. They wouldn't just abandon the forum that gave them solace during their trying time. They could just divide their campaign funds 70:30 or 80:20 and continue advertising here.
Exactly my opinion on a comment I've previously posted here earlier, well, maybe not so much earlier since it was last week 😁
But then, I also think the possibility of mixers returning to bitcointalk is a challenge for this forum, it's challenge in the sense that admin with our support needs to start a strategic marketing of this forum to attract more users and thereby up the userbase and traffic of the forum..
Do you agree with me that mixers can still pay their campaign participants on this forum up to $200 weekly if the forum had up to, or even much better traffic than btt?
So I believe this is what this forum should strive to achieve, more traffic, more forum users equal to more ad revenues for the forum, and it's users as well.
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The return of mixers will be amazing in BTT, we will begin to see campaigns paying as high as $200 weekly.
Much will not happen here then, but I think some mixer campaigns will remain here. They wouldn't just abandon the forum that gave them solace during their trying time. They could just divide their campaign funds 70:30 or 80:20 and continue advertising here.
Unfortunately, even though I'm a veteran user, I didn't catch that time, because I didn't know much about signature campaigns back then in 2018-19... and then I was inactive on the forum for a few years... but what matters is the present now.
But I'm not so convinced that theymos will reverse the decision about banning mixers... I hope to be surprised. This is their second home, but many mixer campaigns that were here have been paused... mixtum, which returned from a pause and mixero are the only active mixers in campaigns here. Do you guys think more mixers should advertise on altcoinstalks?
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The return of mixers will be amazing in BTT, we will begin to see campaigns paying as high as $200 weekly.
Much will not happen here then, but I think some mixer campaigns will remain here. They wouldn't just abandon the forum that gave them solace during their trying time. They could just divide their campaign funds 70:30 or 80:20 and continue advertising here.
Unfortunately, even though I'm a veteran user, I didn't catch that time, because I didn't know much about signature campaigns back then in 2018-19... and then I was inactive on the forum for a few years... but what matters is the present now.
Honestly, I thought about this. I checked your profile in BTT and discovered you are a veteran user, but it wasn't long I started seeing your profile active in the forum and joining signature campaigns. I had thought where you have been this while.
But I'm not so convinced that theymos will reverse the decision about banning mixers... I hope to be surprised. This is their second home, but many mixer campaigns that were here have been paused... mixtum, which returned from a pause and mixero are the only active mixers in campaigns here. Do you guys think more mixers should advertise on altcoinstalks?
Theymos will definitely reverse the decision but only if Trump gives more reasons to do so. Meanwhile, a good number of mixers started signature campaign here but they didn't sustain. In the list of mixers that has sustained till date is Coinomize. They have been consistent with their campaign ever since they registered here.
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Exactly my opinion on a comment I've previously posted here earlier, well, maybe not so much earlier since it was last week 😁
But then, I also think the possibility of mixers returning to bitcointalk is a challenge for this forum, it's challenge in the sense that admin with our support needs to start a strategic marketing of this forum to attract more users and thereby up the userbase and traffic of the forum..
I think admin is lacking to fix basic stuff in the forum here to keep userbase in such situation...
Merging boards, clear rules for ranking up, improve SEO (this forum is invisible to search engines), etc... He just refuses to do any... i gave up already
Do you agree with me that mixers can still pay their campaign participants on this forum up to $200 weekly if the forum had up to, or even much better traffic than btt?
So I believe this is what this forum should strive to achieve, more traffic, more forum users equal to more ad revenues for the forum, and it's users as well.
Sure, mixers always paid 150-300 weekly, or even more in some situations. I think they were willing to pay more now, if the forum had better SEO and more traffic... which isnt the case.
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Honestly, I thought about this. I checked your profile in BTT and discovered you are a veteran user, but it wasn't long I started seeing your profile active in the forum and joining signature campaigns. I had thought where you have been this while.
At that time I was focused on job, I just made a few visits to the forum as a reader, but I didn't post anything, anyway, my mistake, because today I would have much more merits and a long history of campaigns on the other forum and perhaps here.
Theymos will definitely reverse the decision but only if Trump gives more reasons to do so. Meanwhile, a good number of mixers started signature campaign here but they didn't sustain. In the list of mixers that has sustained till date is Coinomize. They have been consistent with their campaign ever since they registered here.
I hope you are right, although the campaigns related to casinos are gradually increasing in value, staying between the range of $50 - $100 p/w.
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I believe that after one or two years we will a much more crypto friendly legislation in US. This may make theymos make new decisions regarding mixers in the forum.
A lot can change in one or two years, and I honestly don't trust anything coming out of Trump's mouth :P
But it is a good thing to hear that theymos is giving everyone a chance after one year of new administration.
Meanwhile, AltcoinsTalks forum can use this time in their advantage, and Mixtum remains the same in all forums ;)
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Honestly, I thought about this. I checked your profile in BTT and discovered you are a veteran user, but it wasn't long I started seeing your profile active in the forum and joining signature campaigns. I had thought where you have been this while.
At that time I was focused on job, I just made a few visits to the forum as a reader, but I didn't post anything, anyway, my mistake, because today I would have much more merits and a long history of campaigns on the other forum and perhaps here.
To me, it's not about having much more merits. I think what you missed was accumulating much more bitcoin. I don't know how well your job was paying you, but I do know that it is difficult to accumulate bitcoin when you are paid in fiat. But signature campaign payments make it very easy to buy bitcoin consistently (with the DCA method). This is why most people from my country have converted their conventional job as a side hustle while giving much attention to Bitcointalk forum
Bitcoin is too good. Being paid with it is a privilege because you will be recieving a currency and an asset at a time.
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Do you guys think more mixers should advertise on altcoinstalks?
I'd like to see more signings, including mixers, but there’s only so much that depends on us for various reasons. You see these subscription campaigns start — and then end just as quickly — without anyone explaining why. If project managers or team representatives shared their reasons for ending the campaigns, we might be able to learn from it and adjust accordingly.
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Honestly, I thought about this. I checked your profile in BTT and discovered you are a veteran user, but it wasn't long I started seeing your profile active in the forum and joining signature campaigns. I had thought where you have been this while.
At that time I was focused on job, I just made a few visits to the forum as a reader, but I didn't post anything, anyway, my mistake, because today I would have much more merits and a long history of campaigns on the other forum and perhaps here.
To me, it's not about having much more merits. I think what you missed was accumulating much more bitcoin. I don't know how well your job was paying you, but I do know that it is difficult to accumulate bitcoin when you are paid in fiat. But signature campaign payments make it very easy to buy bitcoin consistently (with the DCA method). This is why most people from my country have converted their conventional job as a side hustle while giving much attention to Bitcointalk forum
Bitcoin is too good. Being paid with it is a privilege because you will be recieving a currency and an asset at a time.
Yes, but merits have a big impact on how much you earn from signature campaigns. If you don’t have many, you don’t rank up, and your payment will be lower. Getting paid in signature campaigns as a form of DCA is an interesting idea—I really like it. But unfortunately, it's not always possible to save those funds instead of spending them. Every time I have to sell the satoshis I earned from signature campaigns, I regret it, but there's no other choice.
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Do you guys think more mixers should advertise on altcoinstalks?
I think so, considering there aren't many places where mixers can promote their brands with this type of marketing. As you may notice, there are a few mixers (including Mixtum) who have been promoting their brands on this forum for quite a long time, which means they are comfortable with the effectiveness of this kind of marketing.
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Do you guys think more mixers should advertise on altcoinstalks?
I think so, considering there aren't many places where mixers can promote their brands with this type of marketing. As you may notice, there are a few mixers (including Mixtum) who have been promoting their brands on this forum for quite a long time, which means they are comfortable with the effectiveness of this kind of marketing.
I promise never to lie to my self but say things exactly as I think they appear.
Considering whether more mixers should advertise on this forum, it's definitely a yes and an answer, but then, it is important we all consider the level this forum in terms of userbase, visitors and overall popularity as well, this is something every company wanting to advertise on the platform like this need to access and research on before they make their final decision.
Saying this because it kind of hurts me when advertisers spend their money to advertise their products on a platform and end up not getting the value for the money they spent, such company may leave after a short time and never return again, and when this happens, It become a loss to the forum and it's users who should have benefited from the company's long marketing on the forum if only they were getting value for their money.
Just my personal thought though.
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Saying this because it kind of hurts me when advertisers spend their money to advertise their products on a platform and end up not getting the value for the money they spent, such company may leave after a short time and never return again, and when this happens, It become a loss to the forum and it's users who should have benefited from the company's long marketing on the forum if only they were getting value for their money.
Just my personal thought though.
@Fivestar4everMVP,
Signature campaign does not give an instant result. Companies seeking aggressive conversations shouldn't consider signature campaigns. The main essence of signature campaign is brand introduction and brand building. You build your brand and reputation over time so that it sinks in the head of the community users. On the long run, results will come naturally.
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I promise never to lie to my self but say things exactly as I think they appear.
Considering whether more mixers should advertise on this forum, it's definitely a yes and an answer, but then, it is important we all consider the level this forum in terms of userbase, visitors and overall popularity as well, this is something every company wanting to advertise on the platform like this need to access and research on before they make their final decision.
Saying this because it kind of hurts me when advertisers spend their money to advertise their products on a platform and end up not getting the value for the money they spent, such company may leave after a short time and never return again, and when this happens, It become a loss to the forum and it's users who should have benefited from the company's long marketing on the forum if only they were getting value for their money.
Just my personal thought though.
It hurts to see that companies spend a lot of money on advertisements with the intention that they will generate traffic to their sites and increase their potential profits, but if that is not happening it will indeed hurt a lot along the line and should be spoken out about.
But then even though the altcointalks forum is still growing in terms of traffic compared to other forums like bitcointalk, we must agree that the availability of a forum advertising feature to a service matters also and forces the companies to only locate this forum and wait for it traffics to grow in the future.
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However, I still believe that this forum will continue to thrive and some of the mixers will prefer to advertise on this forum as well, and they won't stop their advertisements from this forum no matter if they get to advertise their services on Bitcointalk. That's my personal opinion.
well, mate, i hope that whatever you say may come true soon, like who would not like to see mixers on both forums, And I mean, as you said, if mixer services will be allowed to run their signature service on BitcoinTalk and here as well, this will be a great point for both forum members. After all that, as a result, mixer services will get more exposure with the help of both forum traffic.
Exposure in such a way, the mixers that will be providing their signature services on both forums, all their circulating backlinks will help to index that specific mixer at a higher priority on the Google page when a desired user will search about mixer service to use. What do you say?
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Exposure in such a way, the mixers that will be providing their signature services on both forums, all their circulating backlinks will help to index that specific mixer at a higher priority on the Google page when a desired user will search about mixer service to use. What do you say?
Well, the mixers don't really care much about getting indexed on Google as their main intention is to get more exposure from the crypto community and they know that most of their users are at forums like Bitcointalk and now most of those users are at this forum as well.
But, surely if they're allowed to advertise their services on Bitcointalk again then this time they'll complete with each other and they'll increase the pay rates to much higher value than they used to pay.
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Well, the mixers don't really care much about getting indexed on Google as their main intention is to get more exposure from the crypto community and they know that most of their users are at forums like Bitcointalk and now most of those users are at this forum as well.
But, surely if they're allowed to advertise their services on Bitcointalk again then this time they'll complete with each other and they'll increase the pay rates to much higher value than they used to pay.
In addition, indexing a mixer on Google is not a good idea because too much exposure to the public will attract the attention of the government, as the same happened with other mixers, and it will be seized by the government.
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In addition, indexing a mixer on Google is not a good idea because too much exposure to the public will attract the attention of the government, as the same happened with other mixers, and it will be seized by the government.
To be fair, the US and EU-based governments probably know where to look at (bitcointalk and now altcoinstalk), besides the fact that when bad actors use mixers, on-chain "detectives" who all know about these services usually link all txs and report their findings in public and to the authorities.
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In addition, indexing a mixer on Google is not a good idea because too much exposure to the public will attract the attention of the government, as the same happened with other mixers, and it will be seized by the government.
Yes, that's quite true, when a mixer site gets indexed on Google then surely the authorities will be after it and in no time that mixer will also face some hard time. However, I don't think that at least in Trump administration anything against mixers will take place at least during the first years. Later on they might take strict action against mixers once again and consider them money laundering haven. And, then seize the coins to increase that Strategic reserve.
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In addition, indexing a mixer on Google is not a good idea because too much exposure to the public will attract the attention of the government, as the same happened with other mixers, and it will be seized by the government.
That's somewhat true. However, it also means the site might get less exposure or fewer users unless it's promoted through channels where advertising a mixer service is allowed or accepted. Visibility plays a big role, especially for new platforms trying to gain trust and traction..
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That's somewhat true. However, it also means the site might get less exposure or fewer users unless it's promoted through channels where advertising a mixer service is allowed or accepted. Visibility plays a big role, especially for new platforms trying to gain trust and traction..
There is very little a mixer can do to be indexed by Google. First of all, to be indexed you require hundreds of visitors per month. There simply aren't enough customers for that. Second, it requires SEO. For a service that is going to have many phishing clones of it in the Sponsored section, this seems pointless. Third, nobody is going to link to a mixer (besides I guess a few niche crypto news websites, but what is their site ranking?)
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There is very little a mixer can do to be indexed by Google. First of all, to be indexed you require hundreds of visitors per month.
No, you don't need to have hundreds of visitors to get indexed your site or site's url in google, all you need is sitemap (xml format), robots.txt and using google search console to help faster indexing.
Second, it requires SEO
It can, using the google schema markup (json format). This is also one of the disadvantage of this forum because this wasn't implemented yet despite of lower in ranks, pa, da, backlinks, etc.
Third, nobody is going to link to a mixer (besides I guess a few niche crypto news websites, but what is their site ranking?)
PR, paid article publication, guest posting, etc. on every crypto media outlet sites or crypto blogs. It's a bit costly and need effort but it's a big help for getting back links and ranking your site.
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In addition, indexing a mixer on Google is not a good idea because too much exposure to the public will attract the attention of the government, as the same happened with other mixers, and it will be seized by the government.
In that case, how do people discover mixers? Yes, there are platforms designed specifically for visitors (not active participants) to find these resources through search queries. But if the information is shared only through closed channels or passed from user to user, it will take a long time for interested parties to learn about a mixer. That’s why it’s important to take advantage of the current situation—while the authorities aren’t monitoring this too closely. At the very least, it’s worth changing the site’s jurisdiction to avoid potential legal issues.
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In addition, indexing a mixer on Google is not a good idea because too much exposure to the public will attract the attention of the government, as the same happened with other mixers, and it will be seized by the government.
In that case, how do people discover mixers? Yes, there are platforms designed specifically for visitors (not active participants) to find these resources through search queries. But if the information is shared only through closed channels or passed from user to user, it will take a long time for interested parties to learn about a mixer. That’s why it’s important to take advantage of the current situation—while the authorities aren’t monitoring this too closely. At the very least, it’s worth changing the site’s jurisdiction to avoid potential legal issues.
The thing is that we should avoid using a search engine or using others' references to search for such a service as a mixer because at that point we open ourselves to the threat of being misled into choosing a platform that will end up in regret because most of the bad actors in mixer businesses will find a way to promote their scam project's and in doing that there is life online trying to give out bad and fake advice.
That is the reason we always advise that you do your research before venturing into using any mixer.
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In addition, indexing a mixer on Google is not a good idea because too much exposure to the public will attract the attention of the government, as the same happened with other mixers, and it will be seized by the government.
In that case, how do people discover mixers? Yes, there are platforms designed specifically for visitors (not active participants) to find these resources through search queries. But if the information is shared only through closed channels or passed from user to user, it will take a long time for interested parties to learn about a mixer. That’s why it’s important to take advantage of the current situation—while the authorities aren’t monitoring this too closely. At the very least, it’s worth changing the site’s jurisdiction to avoid potential legal issues.
The thing is that we should avoid using a search engine or using others' references to search for such a service as a mixer because at that point we open ourselves to the threat of being misled into choosing a platform that will end up in regret because most of the bad actors in mixer businesses will find a way to promote their scam project's and in doing that there is life online trying to give out bad and fake advice.
That is the reason we always advise that you do your research before venturing into using any mixer.
Maybe this is also the same thing or simply falls under the same category, another important reason why we need to avoid searching and visiting sites such as mixers through search engines is because like you said, fraudsters can easily create fake version of any mixer and even succeed in making the fake site more SEO friendly than the original site, visitors and potential customers may end up on the fake site with the believe that it's the original since most times, things like this are not easy to notice, and this could lead to the customer losing money to scammer..
So this is why it is ultimately very risky to visit any financial websites through Google search result or any other search engine for that matter..
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There is very little a mixer can do to be indexed by Google. First of all, to be indexed you require hundreds of visitors per month. There simply aren't enough customers for that. Second, it requires SEO. For a service that is going to have many phishing clones of it in the Sponsored section, this seems pointless. Third, nobody is going to link to a mixer (besides I guess a few niche crypto news websites, but what is their site ranking?)
I don't think it needs hundreds of visitors to be indexed in Google I have some blogs site even without or small visitors monthly; all my blog posts still indexes on the Google.
A blog post with thin content or low quality sometimes Google does not want to index them.
So still it depends on the quality, and if Mixer only has one page, like Mixtum, I think Google won't index them unless they decide to create blog posts with high-quality content.
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Speaking of Google indexing, I thought I should check by searching for the word Mixtum. The first result was mixtum.com, a creative digital agency website.
So I modified the keyword and added mixer, and unfortunately, I found at least two phishing websites and the AltcoinTalks announcement thread. I tried to check if Mixtum has multiple clearnet domains, but I did not find any information on the OP. These two websites are almost identical, but there are some changes.
https://www.mixtum.to/
https://mix-tum.org/
@Icopress, could you please confirm with the team if they own any of these domains?
I am sorry if it was reported before.
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@God Of Thunder, as you say, there are obvious differences (albeit small) that pretty clearly indicate that these are phishing sites - for example, the original has two more languages in the menu (DE & RU), and also offers a Tor link. Besides the e-mail, the phishing link (to.) does not offer any other contact or link to the social network.
The second link (org.) is an almost identical copy with links that are identical to the original, but with one important difference - it does not have CF protection like the original.
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I don't think it needs hundreds of visitors to be indexed in Google I have some blogs site even without or small visitors monthly; all my blog posts still indexes on the Google.
True, even newly published articles can get indexed within 48 hours, even for low-traffic or lower-ranked websites, just like mine. As long as your site follows Google's guidelines and uses proper SEO standards, indexing can still happen fairly quickly.
@God Of Thunder it's the same here, i probably just saw this .to domain and probably a phishing as well as the .org domain.
Let us know about this two, so this copy cat websites will be reported and shutdown.
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Speaking of Google indexing, I thought I should check by searching for the word Mixtum. The first result was mixtum.com, a creative digital agency website.
So I modified the keyword and added mixer, and unfortunately, I found at least two phishing websites and the AltcoinTalks announcement thread. I tried to check if Mixtum has multiple clearnet domains, but I did not find any information on the OP. These two websites are almost identical, but there are some changes.
https://www.mixtum.to/
https://mix-tum.org/
@Icopress, could you please confirm with the team if they own any of these domains?
I am sorry if it was reported before.
Good catch.
eXch launched a successful anti-phising campaign which was able to take down already 4 phising domains.
Maybe this could be a good idea for mixtum as well. As phising domains drains customers from the original, in this case, mixtum. Mixtum is literally losing money and customers while those copies are around
I got this data from whois:
Domain: mixtum.to
Created on: Wed Oct 30 23:07:15 2024
Last edited on: Sat Mar 29 22:07:20 2025
Expires on: Thu Oct 30 23:07:15 2025
Primary host add: None
Primary host name: margaret.ns.cloudflare.com
Secondary host add: None
Secondary host name: watson.ns.cloudflare.com
Domain Information
Domain:
mix-tum.org
Registered On:
2025-04-04
Expires On:
2026-04-04
Updated On:
2025-04-09
Status:
client transfer prohibited
Name Servers:
amy.ns.cloudflare.com
maxim.ns.cloudflare.com
Registrar Information
Registrar:
NameSilo, LLC
IANA ID:
1479
Abuse Email:
[email protected]
Abuse Phone:
+1.4805240066[/quote]
We could send e-mail to cloudflare and namesilo. I will send one when we got the confirmation from the team that they are actually phising
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I think it has been said several times that mixtum.io is the only legitimate clearnet domain for this mixer. Everything else is fake, without verification.
We could send e-mail to cloudflare and namesilo. I will send one when we got the confirmation from the team that they are actually phising
Considering everything (especially experience with exch), how often such phenomena happen, perhaps a company or possibly an organization should be organized that will deal with phishing domains. A company with enough authority for the registrars to react immediately after the analysis.
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Good catch.
eXch launched a successful anti-phising campaign which was able to take down already 4 phising domains.
Maybe this could be a good idea for mixtum as well. As phising domains drains customers from the original, in this case, mixtum. Mixtum is literally losing money and customers while those copies are around
Yeah, I heard Exch paid the participants yesterday, and one of my countrymen got $800 for a simple task. I didn't pay attention to the service thread and I did not participate in that campaign. However, it seems a good idea to eliminate those scammers. I assume Mixtum can run similar campaign if they want. Especially when their main domain is not on the search result but phishing are on the top when people search with keyword "Mixtum Mixer". The org domain is new, but I guess that .to domain probably scammed hundreds of users.
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Yeah, I heard Exch paid the participants yesterday, and one of my countrymen got $800 for a simple task. I didn't pay attention to the service thread and I did not participate in that campaign.
Well, it's not exactly a simple task. OK, the first 4 domains were suspended relatively quickly (so it looks easy), but it's nowhere near an easy task.
Now, there is currently a much more difficult task with the remaining 4 domains, and just sending an email to the registrar will certainly not be enough. Especially emails like some that were shared in the campaign thread, I believe that the registrar administrators will not even look at them.
Spam registrar probably won't help to get some results.
Let's bring this thread back to the Mixtum, and all the discussions about exch are on their board (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=492.0).
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Yeah, I heard Exch paid the participants yesterday, and one of my countrymen got $800 for a simple task. I didn't pay attention to the service thread and I did not participate in that campaign.
Well, it's not exactly a simple task. OK, the first 4 domains were suspended relatively quickly (so it looks easy), but it's nowhere near an easy task.
Now, there is currently a much more difficult task with the remaining 4 domains, and just sending an email to the registrar will certainly not be enough. Especially emails like some that were shared in the campaign thread, I believe that the registrar administrators will not even look at them.
Spam registrar probably won't help to get some results.
Let's bring this thread back to the Mixtum, and all the discussions about exch are on their board (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=492.0).
I think the point is that mixtum could benefit here .
There are certainly other phishing domains around.
Just found one more in a bing search, and couldn't find the correct one
https://www.mixtum-io[.]com
https://www.mixtum[.]to
https://mix-tum[.]org
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Yeah, I heard Exch paid the participants yesterday, and one of my countrymen got $800 for a simple task. I didn't pay attention to the service thread and I did not participate in that campaign.
Well, it's not exactly a simple task. OK, the first 4 domains were suspended relatively quickly (so it looks easy), but it's nowhere near an easy task.
Now, there is currently a much more difficult task with the remaining 4 domains, and just sending an email to the registrar will certainly not be enough. Especially emails like some that were shared in the campaign thread, I believe that the registrar administrators will not even look at them.
Spam registrar probably won't help to get some results.
Let's bring this thread back to the Mixtum, and all the discussions about exch are on their board (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=492.0).
I think the point is that mixtum could benefit here .
There are certainly other phishing domains around.
Just found one more in a bing search, and couldn't find the correct one
https://www.mixtum-io[.]com
https://www.mixtum[.]to
https://mix-tum[.]org
I became curious to see your post and thought I would do a Bing search as well. I also found the same result, and I found one more mixtum phishing
https://mixertum[.]org
I found at least four more mixtum phishing domains listed by coinomize here (https://coinomize.biz/blog/scams-bitcoin-mixers-list). Most of those domains are inactive right now, but one of them is still operating.
It seems the [.]to domain is most concerning; it appears in every search engine, and this domain is the first result.
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Well, the mixers don't really care much about getting indexed on Google as their main intention is to get more exposure from the crypto community and they know that most of their users are at forums like Bitcointalk and now most of those users are at this forum as well.
But, surely if they're allowed to advertise their services on Bitcointalk again then this time they'll complete with each other and they'll increase the pay rates to much higher value than they used to pay.
In addition, indexing a mixer on Google is not a good idea because too much exposure to the public will attract the attention of the government, as the same happened with other mixers, and it will be seized by the government.
The question is that will google approve it? If mixers can successfully index in Google, (I don't mean the scam and clone domains), there might be no need promoting here.
Same reason casinos embrace signature campaigns in Bitcointalk. Apart from crypto forums like this, the next possible place for intense promotion is the dark web
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The question is that will google approve it? If mixers can successfully index in Google, (I don't mean the scam and clone domains), there might be no need promoting here.
Community support is also very important, one more reason for them to promote here or in BTT.
Users who have problems may ask help here, or when they have questions about which service to choose, seeing a big thread like this one is certainly good
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The question is that will google approve it? If mixers can successfully index in Google, (I don't mean the scam and clone domains), there might be no need promoting here.
Community support is also very important, one more reason for them to promote here or in BTT.
Users who have problems may ask help here, or when they have questions about which service to choose, seeing a big thread like this one is certainly good
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Yes, I missed it. Community support. Building your brand in a large crypto community is second to none. It gives confidence to your customers. That was actually what was missing when BTT banned mixers. Mixer scam increased
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The question is that will google approve it? If mixers can successfully index in Google, (I don't mean the scam and clone domains), there might be no need promoting here.
Community support is also very important, one more reason for them to promote here or in BTT.
Users who have problems may ask help here, or when they have questions about which service to choose, seeing a big thread like this one is certainly good
Yeah, promoting mixers here is just like a standard, though Google is a popular company globally but everything related to Cryptocurrency is commonly a community driven ecosystem.
Google promotions is a mixed up of different companies promoting different things, but forum like here is absolutely the right place to get the true identity of the actual mixer domain.
If Google accept or begins indexing of mixers, there will surely be multiple phishing websites and fake mixer's domains, and definitely, if there are too many complaints of fraud on mixers, investigations will start on all available mixers domain that may lead to strong regulations on Bitcoin mixers in my opinion.
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If Google accept or begins indexing of mixers, there will surely be multiple phishing websites and fake mixer's domains, and definitely, if there are too many complaints of fraud on mixers, investigations will start on all available mixers domain that may lead to strong regulations on Bitcoin mixers in my opinion.
It is quite strange that google indexes phising fake mixers, but won't index real ones...
Maybe phising websites care more about SEO than mixtum? Could this be a technical problem?
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Maybe phising websites care more about SEO than mixtum?
It's one of the ways to get victim, so yes, it's possible.
I checked both websites, the legit and .to domain, both have sitemap.xml and robots.txt, so it's a matter if who use Google search console, or maybe just maybe, legit mixtum don't want to get indexed. I checked that their website is not indexed not a single URL.
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I think the point is that mixtum could benefit here .
There are certainly other phishing domains around.
Just found one more in a bing search, and couldn't find the correct one
https://www.mixtum-io[.]com
https://www.mixtum[.]to
https://mix-tum[.]org
I became curious to see your post and thought I would do a Bing search as well. I also found the same result, and I found one more mixtum phishing
https://mixertum[.]org
I found at least four more mixtum phishing domains listed by coinomize here (https://coinomize.biz/blog/scams-bitcoin-mixers-list). Most of those domains are inactive right now, but one of them is still operating.
It seems the [.]to domain is most concerning; it appears in every search engine, and this domain is the first result.
Due to the specificity and type of business, as well as the fact that until recently we had a serious hunt for mixers, it was not an easy task to position the mixer on Google. As far as I've noticed, most mixers don't even try too hard through SEO and similar techniques. Hence the insistence on signature campaigns.
It is much easier for scammers to position themselves on Google, because they are not obliged to deliver a functional service and can do basic seo under completely different keywords.
It's a good thing that mixer users rarely search for an adequate tumbler service through traditional search engines.
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Maybe phising websites care more about SEO than mixtum?
It's one of the ways to get victim, so yes, it's possible.
It is also a good way to get customers, maybe mixtum should invest more in it.
As far as I've noticed, most mixers don't even try too hard through SEO and similar techniques. Hence the insistence on signature campaigns.
It is much easier for scammers to position themselves on Google, because they are not obliged to deliver a functional service and can do basic seo under completely different keywords.
It's a good thing that mixer users rarely search for an adequate tumbler service through traditional search engines.
One more reason to keep a strong community support, with topics in forums such as this one. This kind of action has a high impact in the service credibility and trust
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One more reason to keep a strong community support, with topics in forums such as this one. This kind of action has a high impact in the service credibility and trust
Did you notice that even though the original Mixtum domain does not appear on Google search, the signature campaign thread of the AltcoinTalks forum and the announcement thread appear in the search results. This actually shows how important to have an announcement thread on a forum. Potential users can always come to the thread and see the discussion.
I think it is important for mixers to try to eliminate those phishing websites. They are losing customers and probably getting a scammer tag because of those phishing websites.
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I think it is important for mixers to try to eliminate those phishing websites. They are losing customers and probably getting a scammer tag because of those phishing websites.
The best way to do this is to intensify their community based promotion and encourage customers to locate them through a proven community.
I also blame most people who fall for these phishing sites. Is it that they don't know about forums or make extensive research before using any service. I will not be comfortable using a random mixer without the recommendation of a community, perhaps where I can take my complaints to.
Even here in the forum, if I want to use any mixer, I'll either click on any signature or go to their announcement thread, I have trust issues when it comes to urls.
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I also blame most people who fall for these phishing sites. Is it that they don't know about forums or make extensive research before using any service. I will not be comfortable using a random mixer without the recommendation of a community, perhaps where I can take my complaints to.
To some extent, it is a mistake of the users to fall in thesse phising sites.
However, unexperienced users may fall in such schemes.
I was close to getting scammed about 1-2 times, because I was not paying attention. But I was able to realize what was happening before sending money.
Everyone makes a mistake from time to time, and that is normal. This is why those phising websites make so much money, this is why they invest money and time in domains, development, etc..
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eXch launched a successful anti-phising campaign which was able to take down already 4 phising domains.
That would be a good idea.
Maybe we can't shut all phishing domains down, but we can reduce their numbers.
I think it has been said several times that mixtum.io is the only legitimate clearnet domain for this mixer. Everything else is fake, without verification.
You can say something a hundreds of time, but question is how many people are going to see that.
This is the case with most phishing websites, people find them by using g00gle search, or by being redirected from other website or received email.
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In addition, indexing a mixer on Google is not a good idea because too much exposure to the public will attract the attention of the government, as the same happened with other mixers, and it will be seized by the government.
The question is that will google approve it? If mixers can successfully index in Google, (I don't mean the scam and clone domains), there might be no need promoting here.
Same reason casinos embrace signature campaigns in Bitcointalk. Apart from crypto forums like this, the next possible place for intense promotion is the dark web
Why not? if it was indexed in Google, it doesn't mean people will see it unless they use the keyword domain name; plus, Google has its own algorithm and ranking system. If you just search it on Google using the keyword mixer, low-quality sites will not be able to take the top spot in the search results. Having a backlinks and if someone mention this domain it helps on Google rankings.
So it is a good idea to promote it on the forum like altcoinstalks to have backlinks and mention this domain to rankup on Google but I don't think it's a good idea to index mixer in Google since most of the people who use Mixer want to hide their identity. I believe they are going to use TOR and only use DarkWeb search engines like Duckduckgo that is a better place to index Mixers.
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Why not? if it was indexed in Google, it doesn't mean people will see it unless they use the keyword domain name; plus, Google has its own algorithm and ranking system. If you just search it on Google using the keyword mixer, low-quality sites will not be able to take the top spot in the search results. Having a backlinks and if someone mention this domain it helps on Google rankings.
Exactly. Otherwise, the platforms won't spend millions of dollars on promotions. Just because a domain was indexed on Google does not mean it will automatically receive visitors. People have to use specific keywords so the domain appears in the search results. But on forums, no one has to search for anything. If they are browsing the forum and some company has an active signature campaign, the visitor will see the ads of the company. Yeah, I also agree that discussions on the forum about a company actually help their SEO work.
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I think it is important for mixers to try to eliminate those phishing websites. They are losing customers and probably getting a scammer tag because of those phishing websites.
The best way to do this is to intensify their community based promotion and encourage customers to locate them through a proven community.
I also blame most people who fall for these phishing sites. Is it that they don't know about forums or make extensive research before using any service. I will not be comfortable using a random mixer without the recommendation of a community, perhaps where I can take my complaints to.
Even here in the forum, if I want to use any mixer, I'll either click on any signature or go to their announcement thread, I have trust issues when it comes to urls.
If I must be honest with you, i would say that you really don't have to blame those who fall victim to scam as a result of choosing the fake mixer over the original one, and this is because level of IQ isn't the same for everyone, people reason and or think differently and under different circumstances.
There are people who for some reasons best known to them don't remember to do any form of research before committing money to a mixer and only will realize they should have researched before committing money after they have been scammed.
So in cutting down the rate at which people fall victim to scam mixers, it will be a collective effort from both the legit mixers, their community and the potential customers themselves, legit mixers have to intensify their marketing since sometimes, it seems to me like this comofladged mixers tends to carry out a more intensified or heightened marketing, making potential customers to discover them first.
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Well, the mixers don't really care much about getting indexed on Google as their main intention is to get more exposure from the crypto community and they know that most of their users are at forums like Bitcointalk and now most of those users are at this forum as well.
Well, mate, this can be the fact that mixers don't care much about being indexed on Google, but technically the links that we are putting on in the form of signatures somehow help mixers to get indexed in Google and work as backlinks for these mixer projects. Don't you think?
It can, using the google schema markup (json format). This is also one of the disadvantage of this forum because this wasn't implemented yet despite of lower in ranks, pa, da, backlinks, etc.
I read all previous discussions on this, and I feel you explain things very well. I also have been working on two website projects for maybe one and a half year maybe; that is why I believe that these signature links work as backlinks that help mixer projects to get indexed on Google pages, right?
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; that is why I believe that these signature links work as backlinks that help mixer projects to get indexed on Google pages, right?
That's not very effective for Google indexing. However, for backlinking purposes, it might help to some extent. Still, effective backlinking usually only works if the campaign lasts for a long period, at least a year or more, because once the signature is removed, the links disappear as well, reducing any long-term benefit.
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Well, mate, this can be the fact that mixers don't care much about being indexed on Google, but technically the links that we are putting on in the form of signatures somehow help mixers to get indexed in Google and work as backlinks for these mixer projects. Don't you think?
No matter what others think, you can do a Google search and see that result by yourself. That was my initial thought when I searched with the keyword Mixtum mixer, and some phishing links appeared on the first result. The 2nd result was the AltcoinTalks announcement thread. So, we must agree that the forum announcement thread and the signature campaigns help the mixers get indexed on Google. Even if the mixers do not want to get indexed, if they create a forum announcement thread, they will get indexed eventually.
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Even if the mixers do not want to get indexed, if they create a forum announcement thread, they will get indexed eventually.
Strictly speaking, the term "Google indexed" refers to the actual website or its page being crawled and added to Google's search index or in the search page, not merely being mentioned or linked on external sites such as blogs or forums. Using "indexed" to describe third-party mentions is inaccurate. Proper indexing happens only when Google's crawler processes and records the website itself into its database and the actual site shows in google search page when search.
If this forum shows up when you search for "mixtum mixer", that just means that the forum's page/thread is indexed and ranking for that keyword "mixtum mixer" as well as those phishing website which should be taken down.
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I also blame most people who fall for these phishing sites. Is it that they don't know about forums or make extensive research before using any service. I will not be comfortable using a random mixer without the recommendation of a community, perhaps where I can take my complaints to.
To some extent, it is a mistake of the users to fall in thesse phising sites.
However, unexperienced users may fall in such schemes.
I was close to getting scammed about 1-2 times, because I was not paying attention. But I was able to realize what was happening before sending money.
Everyone makes a mistake from time to time, and that is normal. This is why those phising websites make so much money, this is why they invest money and time in domains, development, etc..
Very true!
Anyone and including an expert can make mistakes in this industry when not paying attention. Mood determines everything. There was when I was about sending a large transaction to someone, I pasted the address, I had to cross check as usual, I discovered I was about sending the money to a campaign address. I had wondered why and when I copied the address.
Even theymos mistakenly sent someone $1k. Anyone can make mistakes and newbies can fall for even the cheapest scam.
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I also blame most people who fall for these phishing sites. Is it that they don't know about forums or make extensive research before using any service. I will not be comfortable using a random mixer without the recommendation of a community, perhaps where I can take my complaints to.
To some extent, it is a mistake of the users to fall in thesse phising sites.
However, unexperienced users may fall in such schemes.
I was close to getting scammed about 1-2 times, because I was not paying attention. But I was able to realize what was happening before sending money.
Everyone makes a mistake from time to time, and that is normal. This is why those phising websites make so much money, this is why they invest money and time in domains, development, etc..
Very true!
Anyone and including an expert can make mistakes in this industry when not paying attention. Mood determines everything. There was when I was about sending a large transaction to someone, I pasted the address, I had to cross check as usual, I discovered I was about sending the money to a campaign address. I had wondered why and when I copied the address.
Even theymos mistakenly sent someone $1k. Anyone can make mistakes and newbies can fall for even the cheapest scam.
It's understandable for beginners because they may be too naive and not aware of phishing sites, as well as other tricks that scammers use. But if an experienced user falls for phishing, it's usually only due to his or her haste and inattention. In other words, experienced users are most often themselves to blame for the loss of funds, and the only thing left to do is to learn from it.
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It's understandable for beginners because they may be too naive and not aware of phishing sites, as well as other tricks that scammers use. But if an experienced user falls for phishing, it's usually only due to his or her haste and inattention. In other words, experienced users are most often themselves to blame for the loss of funds, and the only thing left to do is to learn from it.
Generally, before using a new crypto service, you are expected to do your own research on the service to find its domain name, description, and history. Just to make sure you know exactly what you're dealing with. Especially if you're about to send it thousands of dollars in one go. Just saying. :)
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No matter what others think, you can do a Google search and see that result by yourself. That was my initial thought when I searched with the keyword Mixtum mixer, and some phishing links appeared on the first result. The 2nd result was the AltcoinTalks announcement thread. So, we must agree that the forum announcement thread and the signature campaigns help the mixers get indexed on Google. Even if the mixers do not want to get indexed, if they create a forum announcement thread, they will get indexed eventually.
Scammers can also create such topics on forums, especially on poorly moderated or unmoderated sites. You should also remember that attackers often post information on hacked sites, which can be forums, and they can also be indexed by Google search engine. But in our case, of course, it is on the contrary good that the forum is so well ranked in Google. In the first place in Google, however, as far as I understand, there is a phishing site, even MetaMask started to swear at it.
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The question is that will google approve it? If mixers can successfully index in Google, (I don't mean the scam and clone domains), there might be no need promoting here.
Then why are regular companies spending moeny on ads if they are all indexed on Google? That's definitely not the end goal. :P
Being indexed is great, but it has nothing to do with brand recognition. It doesn't matter if "MixTum" can be found on google when you search "mixtum"... when no one heard about them. That's what ads are for.
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It's understandable for beginners because they may be too naive and not aware of phishing sites, as well as other tricks that scammers use. But if an experienced user falls for phishing, it's usually only due to his or her haste and inattention. In other words, experienced users are most often themselves to blame for the loss of funds, and the only thing left to do is to learn from it.
Generally, before using a new crypto service, you are expected to do your own research on the service to find its domain name, description, and history. Just to make sure you know exactly what you're dealing with. Especially if you're about to send it thousands of dollars in one go. Just saying. :)
They do deep research first and double or triple-check the site first to see if it's phishing or not before using it since we're talking about a big amount to send, so I believe most people don't want to lose such a big amount, and asking experienced users is a must.
People nowadays are smart even with a small amount I believe they also do research first if they are unfamiliar with the site or service they plan to use, they consult with experienced users before to proceed.
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Scammers can also create such topics on forums, especially on poorly moderated or unmoderated sites. You should also remember that attackers often post information on hacked sites, which can be forums, and they can also be indexed by Google search engine. But in our case, of course, it is on the contrary good that the forum is so well ranked in Google. In the first place in Google, however, as far as I understand, there is a phishing site, even MetaMask started to swear at it.
I don't know if there are forums that do not moderate scams, except for the Bitcointalk forum. However, Bitcointalk moderators nuke users who post phishing links. The scams are not moderated, but hacking and phishing are moderated there. If a phishing website create an announcement thread on a forum, and someone report it to the moderator, I think they will be nuked and the topic will be removed. I think most of the well known forums actually moderate hacks and phishing.
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The space is full of bad actors, you should be very careful when clicking or inputing your information anywhere.
Moderation and babysitting are not granted here.
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Then why are regular companies spending moeny on ads if they are all indexed on Google? That's definitely not the end goal. :P
Being indexed is great, but it has nothing to do with brand recognition. It doesn't matter if "MixTum" can be found on google when you search "mixtum"... when no one heard about them. That's what ads are for.
I didn't know g00gle makes a difference between MixTum and mixtum :o
Brand visibility is very important, that is why you can see advertisements everywhere, both in digital and physical form.
You can see sport players and celebs wearing brands, you can see ads on TV on bilboards, and all that are not indexed anywhere.
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It's understandable for beginners because they may be too naive and not aware of phishing sites, as well as other tricks that scammers use. But if an experienced user falls for phishing, it's usually only due to his or her haste and inattention. In other words, experienced users are most often themselves to blame for the loss of funds, and the only thing left to do is to learn from it.
Generally, before using a new crypto service, you are expected to do your own research on the service to find its domain name, description, and history. Just to make sure you know exactly what you're dealing with. Especially if you're about to send it thousands of dollars in one go. Just saying. :)
This is where phising becomes dangerous. Sometimes you did your research, but you use some other address instead of mixtum.io and then its gone...
This is why community support in social media, and forums (like this one) are so important. They are good way to double check for customers, to get the correct URL.
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; that is why I believe that these signature links work as backlinks that help mixer projects to get indexed on Google pages, right?
That's not very effective for Google indexing. However, for backlinking purposes, it might help to some extent. Still, effective backlinking usually only works if the campaign lasts for a long period, at least a year or more, because once the signature is removed, the links disappear as well, reducing any long-term benefit.
This is possibly the reason why companies that understand how this works usually opt for a long term campaign, because they know that the more the campaign last, they more beneficial it becomes to them..
And i can't remember the exact place but I know I've read somewhere where the manager of this campaign said that mixtum campaign this time will be running for a long term, though I understand long term may likely mean different period of times for different people but let's hope it's for over a year, and let's also pray and hope that government become more friendly with mixers and clampdown on their site anymore, then we have the assurance that legitimate mixers that are here to provide long term service will freely operate without any issues from regulators.
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Doing campaigns is very important and gives security
I'll give you an example, the huge campaign carried out by exch.cx convinced me that by spending money on advertising they were reliable
in fact I have used them a lot during this period
to unfortunately discover that from May 1st they will close... but it was a serious and reliable tool
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Doing campaigns is very important and gives security
I wouldn't say it increases security, but increases trust and reliability.
Companies with active active campaigns are less likely scam users , as the community will bash them if they scam someone.
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Doing campaigns is very important and gives security
I'll give you an example, the huge campaign carried out by exch.cx convinced me that by spending money on advertising they were reliable
in fact I have used them a lot during this period
to unfortunately discover that from May 1st they will close... but it was a serious and reliable tool
Maybe you subjectively feel safer in using a service if it is promoted in that way - but in fact it is about the service increasing its visibility and thus the number of customers. But this way of advertising has its other side, because you become popular and attract the attention of those whose job it is to attack and eventually close such services.
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This is where phising becomes dangerous. Sometimes you did your research, but you use some other address instead of mixtum.io and then its gone...
Some adblockers are doing the basic job to protect against known phishing scams, but we can also use DNS based filtering, or create community campaigns to report all the scam and cloned websites.
Another tactics I noticed scammers use is to create mixer review websites with real reviews and rating, but they are using fake links for mixers.
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This is where phising becomes dangerous. Sometimes you did your research, but you use some other address instead of mixtum.io and then its gone...
Some adblockers are doing the basic job to protect against known phishing scams, but we can also use DNS based filtering, or create community campaigns to report all the scam and cloned websites.
Another tactics I noticed scammers use is to create mixer review websites with real reviews and rating, but they are using fake links for mixers.
I didn't know that scammers were so determined to get our money through tactics like these that seem quite sophisticated, scammers are everywhere, once they see profit in a certain niche.
To avoid falling for phishing scams like these, it's best to access the mixer website link through the ANN thread and then bookmark it in your browser, as well as 99.9% of the sites we visit on a daily basis, always save the website URL in your browser.
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And i can't remember the exact place but I know I've read somewhere where the manager of this campaign said that mixtum campaign this time will be running for a long term, though I understand long term may likely mean different period of times for different people but let's hope it's for over a year, and let's also pray and hope that government become more friendly with mixers and clampdown on their site anymore, then we have the assurance that legitimate mixers that are here to provide long term service will freely operate without any issues from regulators.
Well, at least we have a real possibility of this happening, due to a more crypto-friendly government.
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Doing campaigns is very important and gives security
I'll give you an example, the huge campaign carried out by exch.cx convinced me that by spending money on advertising they were reliable
in fact I have used them a lot during this period
to unfortunately discover that from May 1st they will close... but it was a serious and reliable tool
Yeah, you are absolutely correct bud, companies spending money to advertise their products and or services spending money to advertise their services does have a way of showing that such company or service is reliable, because one thing is that a service won't spend money on advertising something or a tool that doesn't work, or will run long term marketing campaign when they have internal plan of running away at a point, not that some don't do it but then, most usually won't because they did consider the money they spent on marketing as a loss, most especially if the service didn't get alot of customers by the time they plan to run away, it could turn out a huge loss..