and breaks down your funds in a manner that completely removes a link between input and output transactions.
you can safely mix your bitcoins with lowest possible fee and maximum privacy.
First of all, I welcome Thornmixer.io to this forum and I must say that the features they offer are truly unique and helpful. It's first time I'm hearing about this mixer but without any doubt if they're offering all those perks then it makes sense to try them. It would be great to test the mixer, I'm quite interested to review this mixer and share details about it with others.We'd love for you to review this mixer. Many people lack more detailed information on how to use this tool. To be honest, it is not immediately possible to understand the intricacies of the process, based on the information on the site. More graphic information (screenshots) is required point by point. In this way, the material is absorbed much better and it takes much less time than independent study and analysis.
As time goes by, the Thormixer platform also presents campaigns on the altcoinstalks forum.~To be honest, it is not immediately possible to understand the intricacies of the process, based on the information on the site. More graphic information (screenshots) is required point by point.
First of all, I welcome Thornmixer.io to this forum and I must say that the features they offer are truly unique and helpful. It's first time I'm hearing about this mixer but without any doubt if they're offering all those perks then it makes sense to try them. It would be great to test the mixer, I'm quite interested to review this mixer and share details about it with others.Yeah their have alot of unique features such as the none logos and JavaScripts, this are all important tools that increase the intractability of any user in the event of ip tracing, also the letter of guarantee is another thing to be considered tonbw a good feature since that captures every detail of your session on the mixer.
What if one sends a deposit directly from a Taproot address? Is that allowed?
We'd love for you to review this mixer. Many people lack more detailed information on how to use this tool. To be honest, it is not immediately possible to understand the intricacies of the process, based on the information on the site. More graphic information (screenshots) is required point by point. In this way, the material is absorbed much better and it takes much less time than independent study and analysis.Yeah, I'll soon try to review this mixer currently I'm not making a review due to the high fees of the Bitcoin network. But soon I'm going to test the platform and then make a detailed review of it so the users can understand that how the platform works.
First of all, I welcome Thornmixer.io to this forum and I must say that the features they offer are truly unique and helpful. It's first time I'm hearing about this mixer but without any doubt if they're offering all those perks then it makes sense to try them. It would be great to test the mixer, I'm quite interested to review this mixer and share details about it with others.
I have a little idea to try Thormixer, what if I make a Bitcoin deposit worth 0.001 BTC, will my Bitcoin be processed for Mixing?
Do you always have to use Thosmixer using the TOR Browser and VPN?
I believe that when users have a reason to use BTC Mixer, they also do not refuse supporting services such as Tor or VPN to protect their identity. Mixer and Tor create a 2-layer shield to help users feel more secure.QuoteDo you always have to use Thosmixer using the TOR Browser and VPN?
It is not a necessity, you can access the website through the clear net without the use of VPN, but for people who want more privacy they prefer accessing it through tor browsers and VPN (for clearnet).
According to ThorMixer, NO LOGS. This gives users more privacy even if they choose not to use VPN.
This is the first time I've heard of Thormixer.Yes, that's a very nice feature of this mixer because each of us have our own smartphones which we carry with us where ever we go and with this mixer we can mix our Bitcoin on the go without any issues.
The part that interests me the most is that transactions can also be done over the phone. Because a person may not always have a tablet or computer with him, but his phone is always with him.
I really liked this feature.
-"5. What is the minimum amount of funds for bitcoin tumbler?
It is not a necessity, you can access the website through the clear net without the use of VPN, but for people who want more privacy they prefer accessing it through tor browsers and VPN (for clearnet).I have also tried exploring various YouTube channels to be able to access and install the Tor Browser application.
Yes, that's a very nice feature of this mixer because each of us have our own smartphones which we carry with us where ever we go and with this mixer we can mix our Bitcoin on the go without any issues.It's good, currently only working people use PCs or Laptops, but most already own smartphones and Bitcoin wallet applications on smartphones such as Electrum. ThorMixer has quickly reached mobile users, this is a smart competitive strategy. Users will be able to mix and receive Bitcoin anytime, anywhere without being tied to a desk ;D
It's a unique mixer that works on smartphones without any delays but at the same time it can be useful for those who prefer to use a mixer with disabled JavaScript. The mixer works like a charm for such privacy oriented people.
ThorMixer has quickly reached mobile users, this is a smart competitive strategy. Users will be able to mix and receive Bitcoin anytime, anywhere without being tied to a desk ;DThere are definitely advantages and disadvantages to the User Interface between Desktop and Smartphone for the main website of Thormixer.
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It seems like I didn't read more fully about Thormixer's main website and it turns out I found an article about what I had a question about, in section number 5 for Frequently Asked Questions.
The answer ends with the word Donations., we must always be very careful with our assets if we want to mix Bitcoin on Thormixer, because if we are not careful then our Bitcoin will be donated to the Thormixer platform. ;D
I fully support the account of the Telegram messenger. In my country, this application is completely controlled by special people. services such as the FSB and others. That is, this situation completely compromises the person and his personal data. This issue should be worked out most carefully if complete confidentiality is required. This will not work.I think you mean you don't support Telegram bot.
There are definitely advantages and disadvantages to the User Interface between Desktop and Smartphone for the main website of Thormixer.Users will only need to spend some time to find the necessary features on the Mobile application and use ThorMixer easily, the purpose is to MIX crypto, not to entertain with Fruit Ninja ;D
Maybe in general, for a desktop it can look more detailed and wider in appearance and for smartphone use it can be simpler and easier to carry everywhere.
But for me, who is still learning in the cryptocurrency space, to better understand how Thormixer works is to use a desktop, this is more comfortable in my opinion and more menu buttons are visible.
This is my review of https://www.thormixer.io mixer. It will contain several parts, but I will compare the service with 3 mixers, UniJoin, Mixtum, and Tumbler.io then determine the strengths and weaknesses according to this comparison.Thank you for the detailed Review to ThorMixer's users. I think you can write a tutorial on how to use ThorMixer, that is definitely what users need to do it correctly and without any unfortunate errors.
Yes based on popularity people use their phones more than they use the desktop, many people have mobile wallet like electrum where they carry out fast transactions on the go, but the draw back to this is that many people also use their mobile devices for other activities which can make them vulnerable to attacks I am in that category but I have been Able to avoid harm by having electrum cold wallet storage.
It's good, currently only working people use PCs or Laptops, but most already own smartphones and Bitcoin wallet applications on smartphones such as Electrum. ThorMixer has quickly reached mobile users, this is a smart competitive strategy. Users will be able to mix and receive Bitcoin anytime, anywhere without being tied to a desk ;D
It's good, currently only working people use PCs or Laptops, but most already own smartphones and Bitcoin wallet applications on smartphones such as Electrum. ThorMixer has quickly reached mobile users, this is a smart competitive strategy. Users will be able to mix and receive Bitcoin anytime, anywhere without being tied to a desk ;DYeah, and I believe that's a good approach to make it widely available for everyone not only PC or Laptop users. These days almost everyone owns and uses a smartphone and if someone can do mixing by using smartphone then they won't be bound to laptops or PC's to do mixing.
Not only that, creating an app for a mixer is a bad idea for many reasons:
The main purpose for Bitcoin mixing is to ensure privacy and anonymity when carrying our Bitcoin transactions. I personally support cautiousness when mixing Bitcoin. I don't know if I am being paranoid but mixing anywhere is careless in my opinion, there are also some countries with laws against mixing so I think it's better done privately even if you are to do it with your mobile device, also selecting a good mixer is imperative, not all mixers offer full proof anonymity also some could steal your Bitcoin too.
my review
i would said thormixer is very good
my review
i would said thormixer is very good
Did you go through the whole mixing process or is this your review based only on what you saw on the site? I am more curious about these resistance analyses, how did you get the conclusions?
btw. Thormixer signature is currently the best signature designed on this forum.
This is the first time I've heard of Thormixer.Yes, that's a very nice feature of this mixer because each of us have our own smartphones which we carry with us where ever we go and with this mixer we can mix our Bitcoin on the go without any issues.
The part that interests me the most is that transactions can also be done over the phone. Because a person may not always have a tablet or computer with him, but his phone is always with him.
I really liked this feature.
It's a unique mixer that works on smartphones without any delays but at the same time it can be useful for those who prefer to use a mixer with disabled JavaScript. The mixer works like a charm for such privacy oriented people.
my review~~~
i would said thormixer is very good
is the second part of review
after i receive pay i use it for testing :) simple
you'll see updates in my post, so watch carefully over the next few days
so I know for sure that in case I forget, you, a skilled user of the forum, will be there to remind me
my reviewThank you very much for the short review, I wait for part 2 when you receive BTC from ThorMixer. Honestly, it's easier to understand and more user-friendly than what I thought a BTC Mixer service should be ^^
i would said thormixer is very good
- for first, they use pgp B8A5 CFCA F63F F2D8 384A 6B12 D3B2 8095 6F0E 7CAF for me who use pgp is a correct guy
- second, for privacy we have tor site http://63tcvr7j5gju24emo3ygbxmezqmg7z2zyby27n647jmu4uzcosiduzid.onion/ is very good
- well written "how works"
- the fee is written, 4-5%
- Resistance to taint analysis - VERY GOOD
- Resistance to cluster analysis - VERY GOOD
- Resistance to volume analysis - VERY VERY GOOD
- telegram bot https://t.me/thormixer_bot !!!
In today's digital age, privacy has become a luxury that many people can no longer afford. With the rise of online transactions and digital currencies, it has become increasingly difficult to maintain one's financial privacy. However, there are still ways to protect one's privacy, especially when it comes to Bitcoin transactions.giving more important consideration to privacy and anonymity is very crucial. that's why services like bitcoin mixers are a must for anyone who wants to safeguard their privacy.
Because of that all I have written above I am happy to see services like Thormixer.io that offers a range of services to protect the privacy of their users.
Thormixer is one of the fastest growing bitcoin mixers right now, providing advanced tools to safeguard the identities of its users, so by using Thormixer we can ensure that our financial transactions remain private and secure, even in the face of increasing surveillance and monitoring 😎.
Thormixer.io is an excellent option for those looking to protect their privacy while using Bitcoin and we all should have the freedom to use it!
what are some important features on Thormixer.io that makes it stand out and how easy or complex using the platform is?
also from other reviews I learned that browser can be an issue, so which browser have you found the best to connect with the Thormixer.io service?
In today's digital age, privacy has become a luxury that many people can no longer afford. With the rise of online transactions and digital currencies, it has become increasingly difficult to maintain one's financial privacy. However, there are still ways to protect one's privacy, especially when it comes to Bitcoin transactions.Privacy protection is what most users especially in the crypto sphere are conscious about keeping there data safe. Bitcoin transactions are anonymous partially especially when they are not from centralized exchange where our data can be tracked. Even the IP address can reveal our location and other information that can be used to track us. Since the emergence of mixers, it had been a better way for us to keep staying anonymous especially when we know how to use them in the most secured way.
Because of that all I have written above I am happy to see services like Thormixer.io that offers a range of services to protect the privacy of their users.I am not so familiar with Thormixer.io but I think it's going to be a nice rid for me since there had been people saying good about it. I would like to test Thormixer so that I get to know more about it functionality and compare it to the ones I've used in the past.
my reviewThank you very much for the short review, I wait for part 2 when you receive BTC from ThorMixer. Honestly, it's easier to understand and more user-friendly than what I thought a BTC Mixer service should be ^^
i would said thormixer is very good
- for first, they use pgp B8A5 CFCA F63F F2D8 384A 6B12 D3B2 8095 6F0E 7CAF for me who use pgp is a correct guy
- second, for privacy we have tor site http://63tcvr7j5gju24emo3ygbxmezqmg7z2zyby27n647jmu4uzcosiduzid.onion/ is very good
- well written "how works"
- the fee is written, 4-5%
- Resistance to taint analysis - VERY GOOD
- Resistance to cluster analysis - VERY GOOD
- Resistance to volume analysis - VERY VERY GOOD
- telegram bot https://t.me/thormixer_bot !!!
Browser is not an issue for Thormixer as the site can easily be accessed through normal clearnet and also through the onion router (tor).I actually don't think the reason anyone would ask about the best browser to use for Thormixer.io is about which would work. Yes there are lots of browsers out there and if you have access to the internet then thormixer.io like every other mixers should be able to connect on the browser.
As long as your browser or your device can access the internet then you can use this site – it does not require you to own a powerful device to be able to access, your mobile phone that’s connected to the internet can work perfectly.
it certainly will be done, I have used and experimented with almost all mixing methods including wasabi coinjoinPeople often only use the first few services they find or hear about from friends and the media, then they stick with it instead of trying out new services.
I like to experiment about it
the only one I couldn't try was tornadocash, I couldn't try it and then everyone was arrested, I honestly missed that one (too bad I was curious)
the fact that they don't use coinjoin intrigues me a lot
Just to list a few of them:With these features, ThorMixer deserves to be trusted by users now and in the future. Everything users need is safety, privacy and convenience, ThorMixer meets these criteria perfectly!
- Leading-edge anonymization algorithm
- Auto-Delete of client data
- Do not store logs
- Thormixer works without Javascript
- Thormixer can be accessed through TOR
If you actually read reviews then this should not be new to you. Also you can check out the complete article about Thormixer here: https://www.thormixer.io/#how-bitcoin-mixer-works
Well for the case of not trying out new services, I think it's solely due to the mentality thats stuck in some people mindset as they feel every new service is kinda scam or if not scam then it's not going to be as good as the old one and mostly it's the users of casino that think such. But with the case of mixing services, I can't say but I have gone through the thormixer website and one feature I like most is the Auto-delete of user data which is good for keeping the user information secret as that's one of the major courses of using a mixer.it certainly will be done, I have used and experimented with almost all mixing methods including wasabi coinjoinPeople often only use the first few services they find or hear about from friends and the media, then they stick with it instead of trying out new services.
I like to experiment about it
the only one I couldn't try was tornadocash, I couldn't try it and then everyone was arrested, I honestly missed that one (too bad I was curious)
the fact that they don't use coinjoin intrigues me a lotJust to list a few of them:With these features, ThorMixer deserves to be trusted by users now and in the future. Everything users need is safety, privacy and convenience, ThorMixer meets these criteria perfectly!
- Leading-edge anonymization algorithm
- Auto-Delete of client data
- Do not store logs
- Thormixer works without Javascript
- Thormixer can be accessed through TOR
If you actually read reviews then this should not be new to you. Also you can check out the complete article about Thormixer here: https://www.thormixer.io/#how-bitcoin-mixer-works
Just to list a few of them:Testing the mixing algorithm should be a crucial factor. Unfortunately, with the high fees, the tests will be limited per user, so I hope that the rest of the members will share their TX-ID address with us, if this will not cause a problem for their privacy.
- Leading-edge anonymization algorithm
- Thormixer works without Javascript
- Thormixer can be accessed through TOR
Friends, please report this fake review.
Despite the fact that mixers do not use Trustpilot because it is very easy to fake reviews on it, I still am not pleased to see outright slander against Thormixer.
https://ie.trustpilot.com/review/thormixer.io
Friends, please report this fake review.Very bad they do this, hate the Thormixer project that has been developed and has full support from Legendary Members.
Despite the fact that mixers do not use Trustpilot because it is very easy to fake reviews on it, I still am not pleased to see outright slander against Thormixer.
https://ie.trustpilot.com/review/thormixer.io
Then you should have specified that your review was going to come in two separate parts because anyone who goes through your review will think that is all you hav to say concerning the project, and it looked like you just went through the faq and summarized it here.Well, why do you press on a person like that? Well, it happens that I approached the moment a little wrong. There is a first time for everything. Correct yourself and everything will be fine. After all, there is an option to correct your own messages. This is what you need to use, i.e. add the second part of the review. Of course, you are also right to point out this event. Indeed, other people may simply get confused in all this. There is such a thing, but it seems to me that everything is quite simple on the mixer’s website.
Or better you should have just waited till your testing was completed before you publish the review – most users when they come to a thread they have visited before they’ll instantly click on “New” so that they can read new content that was added, meaning they are going to miss any update you’re going to make to your post.
second part - i do today because so curious
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i sent now at 9.00 UTC+1 the money for mixing
and now i see when arrive and write here
third partThank you for updating your experience about ThorMixer. I have also tried it and am very satisfied with the reputation of the service. I use the PC ThorMixer interface because it's larger and easier to follow, I'm afraid I'll miss out on some important information. I was afraid I made a mistake but in the end everything worked out when the BTC arrived at the receiving address I specified :)
the payment arrived in 4 hours, not bad I must say
I really like this mixer but the thing I like most is the telegram bot
I often don't feel like opening the website or opening Tor at all
with a Telegram account, however, I can do everything conveniently i love it
Friends, please report this fake review.I am not surprised to see the level of wickedness the person intended to display. I think this is more of a competition than a mere review and it looks like he had been paid to tarnish the image of this mixer. I believe Karma knows how to deal with people like this that can go as far length to destroy the reputation of a fabulous Mixer to look like something bad.
Despite the fact that mixers do not use Trustpilot because it is very easy to fake reviews on it, I still am not pleased to see outright slander against Thormixer.
https://ie.trustpilot.com/review/thormixer.io
Maybe this could be a good move reporting the fake review and also responding to the derogatory comment. At least we can use this medium to protect Thormixer from fake reviews.
Looks like I also have to also have to create an account first at Trustpilot.com, then I reply to their comments by defending the security, kindness and privacy given by Thormixer.
Yea Thor mixer is great I have not yet used it for a longer time but as far as my transaction being anonymous Thormixer has done a good job especially when you use Thormixer on Tor browser, the combination is awesome and you get a better Thormixer experience.third partThank you for updating your experience about ThorMixer. I have also tried it and am very satisfied with the reputation of the service. I use the PC ThorMixer interface because it's larger and easier to follow, I'm afraid I'll miss out on some important information. I was afraid I made a mistake but in the end everything worked out when the BTC arrived at the receiving address I specified :)
the payment arrived in 4 hours, not bad I must say
I really like this mixer but the thing I like most is the telegram bot
I often don't feel like opening the website or opening Tor at all
with a Telegram account, however, I can do everything conveniently i love it
There is need to defend Thormixer.io because if that comment is not removed or cautioned it could have major effect on Thormixer. Is there anyway we can report the fake review for it to be taken down as quick as possible? That fake review does not need to stay another more days trust me!
third partThank you for updating your experience about ThorMixer. I have also tried it and am very satisfied with the reputation of the service. I use the PC ThorMixer interface because it's larger and easier to follow, I'm afraid I'll miss out on some important information. I was afraid I made a mistake but in the end everything worked out when the BTC arrived at the receiving address I specified :)
the payment arrived in 4 hours, not bad I must say
I really like this mixer but the thing I like most is the telegram bot
I often don't feel like opening the website or opening Tor at all
with a Telegram account, however, I can do everything conveniently i love it
We can Rate with our experience when using ThorMixer so that users can have more reviews for reference. I also don't think TrustPilot will take any action on the 1-star review from mathin.Friends, please report this fake review.
Despite the fact that mixers do not use Trustpilot because it is very easy to fake reviews on it, I still am not pleased to see outright slander against Thormixer.
https://ie.trustpilot.com/review/thormixer.io
reported.
but I don't think that removing this review will do anything because even according to the rules of Trustpilot, it cannot be proven that it is a fake review. I referred to the fact that another mixer is being promoted (which is a scam, even their site is no longer active) I hope it helps.
Friends, please report this fake review.
Despite the fact that mixers do not use Trustpilot because it is very easy to fake reviews on it, I still am not pleased to see outright slander against Thormixer.
https://ie.trustpilot.com/review/thormixer.io
There is need to defend Thormixer.io because if that comment is not removed or cautioned it could have major effect on Thormixer. Is there anyway we can report the fake review for it to be taken down as quick as possible? That fake review does not need to stay another more days trust me!
The fact that trust pilot does not verify reviews before allowing it to display on their site just shows how unreliable they are. That review clearly claimed that Thormixer copied directly a site that’s not even registered yet they [trustpilot] allowed the review to stand, no wonder people complained about most reviews there being paid for.
I’ve created an account and reported for not being based on a genuine experience – I’m currently still waiting for their response on what they decided to do about it.I hope they would reply as soon as possible because there team can just be very annoying seldomly. You have taken a bold step and I hope a positive decision would emanate soon.
That just shows how unreliable their ratings are , the fact that they themselves don't look into the reviews and ratings user drop on certain services just makes site an ill place to go to if you are looking for quality review but all the their opinion is looked upon by some fraction of persons so it's better to actually counter this bogus review dropped towards the thormixer app so am definitely going to report that review and rating moreover the facts he presented are just baseless showing that it's definitely an attempt to target the image of the thormixer service.
There is need to defend Thormixer.io because if that comment is not removed or cautioned it could have major effect on Thormixer. Is there anyway we can report the fake review for it to be taken down as quick as possible? That fake review does not need to stay another more days trust me!
The fact that trust pilot does not verify reviews before allowing it to display on their site just shows how unreliable they are. That review clearly claimed that Thormixer copied directly a site that’s not even registered yet they [trustpilot] allowed the review to stand, no wonder people complained about most reviews there being paid for.
I’ve created an account and reported for not being based on a genuine experience – I’m currently still waiting for their response on what they decided to do about it.
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There is need to defend Thormixer.io because if that comment is not removed or cautioned it could have major effect on Thormixer. Is there anyway we can report the fake review for it to be taken down as quick as possible? That fake review does not need to stay another more days trust me!You also have the opportunity to leave a review on this site. What exactly is the problem? That’s exactly what I did, but I see that no one else dares to do this. Is it really so difficult to take just a few minutes to write a comment and give 5 stars? If things continue like this, then people will really not understand the entire current situation. That there are those who simply slander others.
Friends, please report this fake review.
Despite the fact that mixers do not use Trustpilot because it is very easy to fake reviews on it, I still am not pleased to see outright slander against Thormixer.
https://ie.trustpilot.com/review/thormixer.io
but I don't think that removing this review will do anything because even according to the rules of Trustpilot, it cannot be proven that it is a fake review. I referred to the fact that another mixer is being promoted (which is a scam, even their site is no longer active) I hope it helps.
I no longer use trustpilot, now there are fake reviews there too
According to Trust pilot...Bad guys are everywhere and they have many ways to attack victims. We should ignore them and focus on creating an honest Review of ThorMixer to help users clearly understand how to use and the benefits available from this service.
"We can remove a review for example:
If it's clear that the reviewer hasn't had any interaction with the business."
The reviewer is high or something for claiming Thormixer is a copycat. I checked the mixer he posted, it wasn't connecting, so I google searched and this came up "mixsafer.io", it looks like he omitted the letter "s". When I visited the website and cross checked it with Thormixer, the templates are quite different, I couldn't find any similarities.
For me the reviews I have seen on Thormixer has been honest and genuine, aside that I have personally experienced the uniqueness Thormixer offers, and I have come to the conclusion that Thormixer is actually amongst the top mixing site.According to Trust pilot...Bad guys are everywhere and they have many ways to attack victims. We should ignore them and focus on creating an honest Review of ThorMixer to help users clearly understand how to use and the benefits available from this service.
"We can remove a review for example:
If it's clear that the reviewer hasn't had any interaction with the business."
The reviewer is high or something for claiming Thormixer is a copycat. I checked the mixer he posted, it wasn't connecting, so I google searched and this came up "mixsafer.io", it looks like he omitted the letter "s". When I visited the website and cross checked it with Thormixer, the templates are quite different, I couldn't find any similarities.
For me, ThorMixer is the friendliest service: I don't understand much about technology or source code, I know 1-5% transaction fee is appropriate, all I need to do is fill in the receiving address, save letter and transferred my BTC to the specified address, then it was just a matter of waiting for the BTC to be transferred to the receiving address after a few hours.
I don't even have any problems bothering ThorMixer support. Everything went very smoothly and quickly, even someone who is blind to blockchain technology like me could still do it very easily 8)
I no longer use trustpilot, now there are fake reviews there tooWell, it won’t hurt if you leave a positive review on this site. This will cover the negative review left by a bad person. It will only take you a few minutes. You can select them from all your personal time. It's OK. We were asked about this. Therefore, there is no need to ignore the request.
like on tripadvisor and others, they have now understood and everyone throws out fake reviews to raise the rank of some objects or restaurants or others
Amazon also has a similar problem, so be careful when you rely on these services
better try the service
in the end it is a very efficient service with everything a mixer should have. it doesn't lack anything, however compared to other mixers it has the telegram bot, I know it's bullshit for you, but it's really very useful for me, it simplifies many things for me and this thing has definitely won me over
in the end it is a very efficient service with everything a mixer should have. it doesn't lack anything, however compared to other mixers it has the telegram bot, I know it's bullshit for you, but it's really very useful for me, it simplifies many things for me and this thing has definitely won me over
+1 for your consistency of your review.
I’ve gone through all of them and I must say - at first I thought the first one you made was the only one you were going to make but I guess I was wrong [sorry for the way I sound in my earlier post, someone pointed to me that it was a bit rude which I never intended to be]. You did a fantastic job on your review.
Next week I’ll be dropping mine for Unijoin.
For me the reviews I have seen on Thormixer has been honest and genuine, aside that I have personally experienced the uniqueness Thormixer offers, and I have come to the conclusion that Thormixer is actually amongst the top mixing site.Well, everything in the crypto market is complicated for newbies. I hope they will check everything thoroughly before making any decisions. Newbies don't even know how to protect the private key for their Bitcoin account @@
But my suggestions to those who hasn't used Thormixer or hasn't used any other mixer for that matter is to take advice they read on the review. Mixer can be great privacy tool but the way noobs use it can make it less effective, one of the point I had taking from review is that it's best to use Tor browser because it protects and also blocks even the mixing site from getting some of our private details. It's just like an added advantage using a Tor browser.
with a Telegram account, however, I can do everything conveniently i love itI also loved the telegram bot feature of this mixer, till now I have reviewed many, and none of them has this feature, we can easily access it even from a smartphone, as I don't use the mixer mostly from mobile but from laptops, etc. Due to the small display, so I prefer bigger ones, but on TG, everything is in front of us, so we can use it very easily.
Next week I’ll be dropping mine for Unijoin.But this is thormixer!
Next week I’ll be dropping mine for Unijoin.But this is thormixer!
I also loved the telegram bot feature of this mixer, till now I have reviewed many, and none of them has this feature, we can easily access it even from a smartphone, as I don't use the mixer mostly from mobile but from laptops, etc. Due to the small display, I prefer bigger ones, but on TG, everything is in front of us, so we can use it easily.
I know that some of you may prefer services such as Telegram Bot and Live Chat, but what we are trying to provide here is a service related to enhancing privacy. Therefore, using a third party will weaken the privacy that you are trying to enhance. In the case of Telegram Bot, the servers will be able to read your addresses, and in the case of Live Chat, it depends on a third party. Messages may not be encrypted or discarded. These options are good if the intention of Privacy is to hide your trace from regular tracking services, but Privacy Pro requires you not to use them.
I know that some of you may prefer services such as Telegram Bot and Live Chat, but what we are trying to provide here is a service related to enhancing privacy. Therefore, using a third party will weaken the privacy that you are trying to enhance. In the case of Telegram Bot, the servers will be able to read your addresses, and in the case of Live Chat, it depends on a third party. Messages may not be encrypted or discarded. These options are good if the intention of Privacy is to hide your trace from regular tracking services, but Privacy Pro requires you not to use them.
Hmm, Live chat can be fully safe as with the live chat an enhanced privacy mode can be developed to erase the user end's data on a specific timespan. Undoubtedly it will help a lot. Some of the newbies always try to acquire live assistance even in small queries and this can increase the service quality.
For TG Bot I'm not sure how people are looking at it, as a pro feature or as a privacy concern I standing on neutral ground where for my privacy I wont use it and for others it depends.
Hmm, Live chat can be fully safe as with the live chat an enhanced privacy mode can be developed to erase the user end's data on a specific timespan. Undoubtedly it will help a lot. Some of the newbies always try to acquire live assistance even in small queries and this can increase the service quality.So, you mean bulid-in live chat and not using a third party to manage the live chat, exactly as happens with most services.
What Could be Improved:Maybe this is just personal preference, I respect your request!
✔️ Dark mode, I Know it's a no-JS version but still the Darker Theme would be great.
✔️ Just 2 receiving addresses are supported It is good in such a timeline where network fees are too high but from the anonymity concern, at least 4 addresses should be considered for better privacy.
✔️ As there are just 2 addresses supported the custom receiving amount is not supported with multiple addresses we can enjoy the custom receiving amount feature as well.
I only use ThorMixer to Mix my BTC, I only need 2 receiving addresses, even just 1, because that is enough to ensure my privacy 8)In the world of Bitcoin mixing more receiving addresses is always more privacy strong than a single receiving address. Those who mix their Bitcoin often use software wallets where they can create so many receiving addresses within seconds.
In the world of Bitcoin mixing more receiving addresses is always more privacy strong than a single receiving address. Those who mix their Bitcoin often use software wallets where they can create so many receiving addresses within seconds.I agree and also understand ThorMixer's purpose in allowing 2 receiving addresses to be entered, some members even need more to increase privacy. However, I usually only use 1 single receiving address, it completely meets my personal needs related to privacy and transaction fees.
I suggest everyone to use two receiving addresses instead of one for mixing purpose. I know if you use more addresses then you may have to pay some extra fee on some mixing platforms but still it's way more privacy oriented.
Link to the translation of the ANN in pidgin language.It's great that ThorMixer is accessible to users in Nigeria!
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316840.0
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✔️ Dark mode, I Know it's a no-JS version but still the Darker Theme would be great.
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Well, everything in the crypto market is complicated for newbies. I hope they will check everything thoroughly before making any decisions. Newbies don't even know how to protect the private key for their Bitcoin account...
It's great that ThorMixer is accessible to users in Nigeria!
Does Bounty manager icopress need a translation into Vietnamese? I am a professional translator in the crypto market and can translate ThorMixer's ANN into Vietnamese, then post it in the Vietnamese Local forum on AltcoinsTalks ;D
I agree and also understand ThorMixer's purpose in allowing 2 receiving addresses to be entered, some members even need more to increase privacy. However, I usually only use 1 single receiving address, it completely meets my personal needs related to privacy and transaction fees.It's nice that you're among those people who agree to use a single receiving address because a single address is more efficient in case of fees then multiple addresses. Most people who are going to mix a lot of Bitcoin will prefer multiple addresses because they don't want others to know that how much Bitcoin they own. But for simple user like you and me who doesn't have to hide everything, a single address fulfills the job.
Hmm, nothing to hide huh? I would be damned if we are to find out that you have some crazy stalk of sats hidden up somewhere 😁😁. But truth be told, using lots of address to mix the coins is more preferable although the fee is what will make it difficult but if like you said, the coins you want to mix is plenty then sacrificing the fee for the anonymity of your privacy is more preferable.I agree and also understand ThorMixer's purpose in allowing 2 receiving addresses to be entered, some members even need more to increase privacy. However, I usually only use 1 single receiving address, it completely meets my personal needs related to privacy and transaction fees.It's nice that you're among those people who agree to use a single receiving address because a single address is more efficient in case of fees then multiple addresses. Most people who are going to mix a lot of Bitcoin will prefer multiple addresses because they don't want others to know that how much Bitcoin they own. But for simple user like you and me who doesn't have to hide everything, a single address fulfills the job.
Where can i join for signature campaign?The signature campaign is now Closed For New Participants, meaning that there are no open slots for more members. Wait until the first word on this topic turns into OPEN and submit your username https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315200.0 .
Where can i join for signature campaign?
Hmm, nothing to hide huh? I would be damned if we are to find out that you have some crazy stalk of sats hidden up somewhere 😁😁. But truth be told, using lots of address to mix the coins is more preferable although the fee is what will make it difficult but if like you said, the coins you want to mix is plenty then sacrificing the fee for the anonymity of your privacy is more preferable.Ah, everyone has their sats hiding behind a wallet but they won't tell anyone. ;) Yes, more addresses is preferable when someone is going to mix huge volume of Bitcoin let's say if someone is going to mix $5000 worth of Bitcoin or more then I would prefer that person to use multiple receiving addresses. But, if someone is going to mix just $200 then it's much better to use a single receiving address to reduce the fees that you need to pay with multiple receiving addresses.
Where can i join for signature campaign?You'll need to go to marketplace to apply for signature campaigns that are open. If you are saying that how you can join Thormixer campaign then unfortunately you can't join it at the moment because their campaign is currently closed for new participants.
Apparently the list you send in there all spots are closed. Is there some new list?Where can i join for signature campaign?
This question is not related to the Thormixer service. But let me explain.
To participate in signatures, you have to wait for a free slot to open, so if the manager is satisfied with you as a participant, then you will be notified. Each campaign has a limited number of places and they are not obliged to accept everyone who wants to participate. These are not bounty campaigns, there is a difference
Here is a list of all campaigns. (CFNP means closed for new participants) https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314333.0;topicseen
note: sorry for being offtopic here, I guess the admin can move all comments related to the campaign to the appropriate thread. For example (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314333.0;topicseen)
Does exist in this forum now signature campaign that is open?Hmm, nothing to hide huh? I would be damned if we are to find out that you have some crazy stalk of sats hidden up somewhere 😁😁. But truth be told, using lots of address to mix the coins is more preferable although the fee is what will make it difficult but if like you said, the coins you want to mix is plenty then sacrificing the fee for the anonymity of your privacy is more preferable.Ah, everyone has their sats hiding behind a wallet but they won't tell anyone. ;) Yes, more addresses is preferable when someone is going to mix huge volume of Bitcoin let's say if someone is going to mix $5000 worth of Bitcoin or more then I would prefer that person to use multiple receiving addresses. But, if someone is going to mix just $200 then it's much better to use a single receiving address to reduce the fees that you need to pay with multiple receiving addresses.Where can i join for signature campaign?You'll need to go to marketplace to apply for signature campaigns that are open. If you are saying that how you can join Thormixer campaign then unfortunately you can't join it at the moment because their campaign is currently closed for new participants.
Does exist in this forum now signature campaign that is open?
Does exist in this forum now signature campaign that is open?When a signature campaign is accepting users then you'll see [Open] written in its title but when you see [CFNP] in title of a campaign then it means that campaign is closed for new participants.
Hmm, nothing to hide huh? I would be damned if we are to find out that you have some crazy stalk of sats hidden up somewhere 😁😁. But truth be told, using lots of address to mix the coins is more preferable although the fee is what will make it difficult but if like you said, the coins you want to mix is plenty then sacrificing the fee for the anonymity of your privacy is more preferable.Ah, everyone has their sats hiding behind a wallet but they won't tell anyone. ;) Yes, more addresses is preferable when someone is going to mix huge volume of Bitcoin let's say if someone is going to mix $5000 worth of Bitcoin or more then I would prefer that person to use multiple receiving addresses. But, if someone is going to mix just $200 then it's much better to use a single receiving address to reduce the fees that you need to pay with multiple receiving addresses.Where can i join for signature campaign?You'll need to go to marketplace to apply for signature campaigns that are open. If you are saying that how you can join Thormixer campaign then unfortunately you can't join it at the moment because their campaign is currently closed for new participants.
Privacy has no "fees," if for you it is better to spend "more on fees" for $5000/BTC than $200/BTC, It is not a good ideaI know privacy doesn't have fees but mixers do have fees and a user knows when to use multiple wallets and when to not use multiple wallets. Some people use multiple receiving wallets and pay more fee to enhance privacy while others are happy with a single receiving wallet and they find that as a better choice for their privacy.
fees are low, it's a perfect opportunity to try out Thormixer.ioYeah that's true, the fee is quite low now and I don't expect it moving up anytime soon although the price and rate of Bitcoin tend to be moving at a very fast rate and just hope this wouldn't spike for another rush in sales of memecoins that can lead to the mempool being congested with lots of transaction. And like you said it's a perfect opportunity to run a transaction which I have already experience and I can testify that the process was quite smooth too although of that time the fee was a lot higher than now.
fees are low, it's a perfect opportunity to try out Thormixer.io
heey my friends, i have a problem....i sent 2 days ago btc to thormixer and never came back...wrote several email to the email in .onion site and had no answer....thormixer or anyone please help :( :-X i feel scammed right now lets see if we can solve this problem
cheers
[email protected][email protected]
heey my friends, i have a problem....i sent 2 days ago btc to thormixer and never came back...wrote several email to the email in .onion site and had no answer....thormixer or anyone please help :( :-X i feel scammed right now lets see if we can solve this problem
cheers
Very possible that it wasn't Thormixer...
Or are there some clone sites if Thormixer which are scam sites?
wrote several email to the email in .onion site and had no answer....Why don't you send your email to [email protected]? I don't understand what you mean by sending email in onion site. :-\
He used an onion clone from an older version of the site. But says he doesn't remember where he found the link. It was strange and didn't give us much information.It is also quite strange that he used an older version and send email to onion site. He should find out the information at the thormixer.io if he gets a problem. There, it is clear that the email support is [email protected]. Anyway, I think we are better to wait for the next explanation from him. We can't conclude anything if it is not clear yet.
He used an onion clone from an older version of the site. But says he doesn't remember where he found the link. It was strange and didn't give us much information.Any similar appearance with complaints, without presenting evidence and providing complete information, can be considered non-reliable. I don't know if it comes from the competition or if it's just a troll, but it certainly doesn't seem serious. Even if it is really so, it is to be expected that it will appear in more than one post.
Very possible that it wasn't Thormixer...It can easily search for the address to which it was sent, which can be found in previous transactions. Then you can check whether it returns to the Thormixer wallet or not.
Or are there some clone sites if Thormixer which are scam sites?
None of these addresses are ours.Adding a warning “to avoid phishing, you must verify the letter of guarantee before depositing” may be useful.
We finally talked by email, and he told me that he used a .onion clone. I asked him where he got the link from and he said he didn't remember. Anyway, it was a bit strange, I don't know if is a troll.Good thing everything is clarified now that he didn't use the correct site, but a clone, it may be a troll from a competitor service, but it does not even matter. Good a thing Thormixer has a representative here that has quickly addressed this issue and will be on hand for anything else in the future.
We finally talked by email, and he told me that he used a .onion clone. I asked him where he got the link from and he said he didn't remember. Anyway, it was a bit strange, I don't know if is a troll.Good thing everything is clarified now that he didn't use the correct site, but a clone, it may be a troll from a competitor service, but it does not even matter. Good a thing Thormixer has a representative here that has quickly addressed this issue and will be on hand for anything else in the future.
We finally talked by email, and he told me that he used a .onion clone. I asked him where he got the link from and he said he didn't remember. Anyway, it was a bit strange, I don't know if is a troll.He may be a victim of phishing, and he used the fake Thormixer site.
What do you think of the proposal to update the first post and to enter inside the code tag list of known Thormixer phishing sites in the first post? It may not be a big deal, but if it saves money for at least one user, it can be considered successful. I've seen at some other mixers do something similar.two weeks ago someone bought thormixer.com and now selling it for $2286.20, they may use it for scams in the future.
[...] two weeks ago someone bought thormixer.com and now selling it for $2286.20, they may use it for scams in the future.Man, thanks for providing the details. Although, in fact, I am convinced that you should have reported this in a PM, since scammers may perceive your detailed message as a call to action.
.net and .org were also bought at the same day but 2 months after .io
https://www.tormixer.io/
Whois Record for TorMixer.io
How does this work?
Domain Profile
Registrar NICENIC INTERNATIONAL GROUP CO., LIMITED
IANA ID: 3765
URL: http://www.nicenic.net
Whois Server: whois.nicenic.net
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Registrar Status clientDeleteProhibited, clientTransferProhibited
Dates 50 days old
Created on 2024-05-05
Expires on 2025-05-05
Updated on 2024-05-10
I try to dig deeper as what clone site one user fall for, and I found this:
I try to dig deeper as what clone site one user fall for, and I found this:So that you know, the domain bio doesn't tell too much information except possibly how old it is. Even that doesn't have to be relevant because a serious market deals with aged domains. So buying a domain that was first registered 10 or more years ago is possible.
While the original site is more than 1 year old, created on May 2023. So most likely that is the fake/scam/phishing that he got trapped.Very good find, Thormixer representative already confirmed that it was the onion link from this clearnet clone that the user fell for, so i guess he was actually scammed and he's not a troll. It is very important that customers' bookmark the original website, a tiny error in spelling when typing it everytime can land one into a scam site. We'll continue to point this out to them and report these scam domains, no matter how small the benefit is.
Hello, It is surely that clone, the .onion link that the user sent me in the email matches the .onion link of that clearnet clone.Yes, I also agree that it's the clone where users are trapped by those scammers. Now it's proven that Thormixer.io is the real URL and tormixer.io is the fake one used to trap users. It's just a phishing clone and everyone should be careful from such shady phishing clones. Once again I would like to say that Thormixer.io is the legit site of Thormixer and any other domain is just a clone of phishing site.
Thanks for finding it
This is the first time I am on the ANN thread. I went through a few replies found many interesting discussion happening here. Joined the Thormixer family today and would be a regular here ;D
I try to dig deeper as what clone site one user fall for, and I found this:So that you know, the domain bio doesn't tell too much information except possibly how old it is. Even that doesn't have to be relevant because a serious market deals with aged domains. So buying a domain that was first registered 10 or more years ago is possible.
Also, almost every registrar offers free whois protection, so we can't draw any conclusions from that either.
Welcome, and I am here for the first time as well. When we promote a service, we should know what we are promoting and take a took. I am glad to see that Thormixer is growing over time. I am saying that because as you can see, there are a couple of clone reports. Scammers usually clone popular mixers so they can attract more users. Cloning Thorminer is proving that they are becoming popular every day and the scammer has to choose them. But, I don't think official team can do much about it except give a warning to their community and loyal users about it.Actually, this is not a new phenomenon in this cryptocurrency world. Before this we have already seen that there are multiple clones of famous bitcoin mixer, cex and casinos. And through this many users appear to be victims of scamming.
...I really read all the comments very well, I have to say that this mixer has practically grown with the users. It has everything, from the telegram bot to the letter of guarantee to the tor site.
Honestly, many people want privacy but do not want to pay the price for the privacy. It is not all users that have the patience to verify the letter of guarantee before depositing and not even all want to do it. Many people do things hastily, forgetting that this industry is about precision. Visiting the mixer through forums link like this place will also help.None of these addresses are ours.Adding a warning “to avoid phishing, you must verify the letter of guarantee before depositing” may be useful.
Honestly, many people want privacy but do not want to pay the price for the privacy. It is not all users that have the patience to verify the letter of guarantee before depositing and not even all want to do it.There has to be certain reponsibility on the part of customers if they don't want to lose their money, that's what using bitcoin is all about. If you want to use a mixer and you are not sure if you are in the original website, then you must verify that you are.
Meanwhile, I blame Thormixer for securing a domain without buying all the related domain names at cheaper rate. I think this is a basic task for every project owners.Is that possible? To buy all the related domain names, i don't think so. The community can only help to identify and report some of these phishing websites and warn people to bookmark the original one.
Actually, this is not a new phenomenon in this cryptocurrency world. Before this we have already seen that there are multiple clones of famous bitcoin mixer, cex and casinos. And through this many users appear to be victims of scamming.
But I think the official team's warning is also very important because there are many conscious users who join their website directly from the official announcement thread avoiding the scamming. Moreover, another way that can be adopted here is to keep a separate section by mentioning the fake sites in the Announcements thread.
The incident of clone sites is not new to us and most especially mixer which have been center subject of regulatory framework that have taken down quite a good number pf bitcoin mixers projects that go involved with scams, and as that have become regular occurrence, it is important for mixer team to demise a way to protect their project from every possible case of clone that could affect the reputation of the main site., also I believe thormixer team will do everything possible to protect their image from being stolen by scammers.Welcome, and I am here for the first time as well. When we promote a service, we should know what we are promoting and take a took. I am glad to see that Thormixer is growing over time. I am saying that because as you can see, there are a couple of clone reports. Scammers usually clone popular mixers so they can attract more users. Cloning Thorminer is proving that they are becoming popular every day and the scammer has to choose them. But, I don't think official team can do much about it except give a warning to their community and loyal users about it.Actually, this is not a new phenomenon in this cryptocurrency world. Before this we have already seen that there are multiple clones of famous bitcoin mixer, cex and casinos. And through this many users appear to be victims of scamming.
But I think the official team's warning is also very important because there are many conscious users who join their website directly from the official announcement thread avoiding the scamming. Moreover, another way that can be adopted here is to keep a separate section by mentioning the fake sites in the Announcements thread.
It could be relevant as scammers might not be willing to pay that top and premium money for a 10 year old domain. They wanted it very cheap and quick and then once they are caught, rinse and repeat.Yes, I agree the scammers want to acquire such domain names with cheap rates and then they either want to sell those for higher rates or they may use those for phishing purposes themselves.
Yes, it could be that scammers wants to acquire domain names that are cheap and closely resembles the one that they wanted to clone. And looking at the BTC address,It could be relevant as scammers might not be willing to pay that top and premium money for a 10 year old domain. They wanted it very cheap and quick and then once they are caught, rinse and repeat.Yes, I agree the scammers want to acquire such domain names with cheap rates and then they either want to sell those for higher rates or they may use those for phishing purposes themselves.
Even those who are in the business of domain purchasing and selling prefer to buy domain names at cheaper rates and sell those at higher rates later on.
It's a type of business for some people and for others its a haven to scam and fraudulent activities.
This address has transacted 1 times on the Bitcoin blockchain. It has received a total of 0.00500000 BTC $309.26 and has sent a total of 0.00000000 BTC $0.00 The current value of this address is 0.00500000 BTC $309.26.https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1qqwq88y7npedrf8mlqn7nru7dleq9x57q4ckae8 (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1qqwq88y7npedrf8mlqn7nru7dleq9x57q4ckae8)
Also, I would agree that it could be a good practice to buy related domain names so as not to get used by scammers and to protect their brand as well. But they could still be vulnerable to homograph attack.Do you have any idea how complex it can be and how much it might cost?
Do you have any idea how complex it can be and how much it might cost?Yes, that's true but the ones who have their mixer services should at least think about purchasing gTLDs as those can be used for malicious purposes most of the times. gTLDs like .com, .org, .net, .info should be purchased to prevent those scammers and one may also purchase top level TLDs as those can be also used for malicious purposes. It's not possible to purchase each type of domain name as that would increase the cost per year to so huge levels but those top and good TLD purchasing could be a valuable strategy in long run.
They would have to buy thousands of domains and again it is not certain that they would remain protected.
Well, it is not possible to buy all the related domains but the few major ones. When I registered my business with the .com extension, I was offered the .org and .net extensions for a much cheaper price and I secured the other two. So, getting .com, .org, .net and .io at same time will not cost much. It will certainly not stop scam site but their options will be reduced as other unpopular extension names don't rank high in search engines.Meanwhile, I blame Thormixer for securing a domain without buying all the related domain names at cheaper rate. I think this is a basic task for every project owners.Is that possible? To buy all the related domain names, i don't think so. The community can only help to identify and report some of these phishing websites and warn people to bookmark the original one.
I agree with you on that, because by buying up all the domains names will indeed reduce the possibility of site cloning in a great deal because if a user is careful there won't be any possibility of getting scammed by those scammers that creats similar sites to genuine ones.Well, it is not possible to buy all the related domains but the few major ones. When I registered my business with the .com extension, I was offered the .org and .net extensions for a much cheaper price and I secured the other two. So, getting .com, .org, .net and .io at same time will not cost much. It will certainly not stop scam site but their options will be reduced as other unpopular extension names don't rank high in search engines.Meanwhile, I blame Thormixer for securing a domain without buying all the related domain names at cheaper rate. I think this is a basic task for every project owners.Is that possible? To buy all the related domain names, i don't think so. The community can only help to identify and report some of these phishing websites and warn people to bookmark the original one.
It could be just a preventive practice, for homograph attack, some that are available already are:Also, I would agree that it could be a good practice to buy related domain names so as not to get used by scammers and to protect their brand as well. But they could still be vulnerable to homograph attack.Do you have any idea how complex it can be and how much it might cost?
They would have to buy thousands of domains and again it is not certain that they would remain protected. Even if you register all available domains with the name "thormixer", for example, you would have to have a variation where the letter "l" is instead of "i". Scammers are very inventive and it is difficult to prevent all risks.
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It could be just a preventive practice, for homograph attack, some that are available already are:this is Punycode phishing attack not homograph attack, but you can easily prevent it by updating your browser, as modern browsers come with some protection features against this type of attack, and you can modify your browser settings to prevent such attacks.
I agree with you on that, because by buying up all the domains names will indeed reduce the possibility of site cloning in a great deal because if a user is careful there won't be any possibility of getting scammed by those scammers that creats similar sites to genuine ones.The idea is good, but there are so many domain zones today. Register a domain in some zones even technically comes out problematic. It would be more rational to register in all the popular zones that are on the rumor. Namely for all at once will be hard to keep up, but it leaves room for action attackers who can register a domain in some exotic zone, due to which they will be able to successfully conduct a phishing attack.
I think this suggestion is a great one to the thormix team because as you mentioned KingsDen I cheaper getting all the package since the team already secured the most expensive among the domain's which is .com.
At least 80% of Internet users are careless enough not to see the difference between .co and .com. These are the most frequent targets of phishing scammers and therefore the most frequent victims.I agree with you on that, because by buying up all the domains names will indeed reduce the possibility of site cloning in a great deal because if a user is careful there won't be any possibility of getting scammed by those scammers that creats similar sites to genuine ones.The idea is good, but there are so many domain zones today. Register a domain in some zones even technically comes out problematic. It would be more rational to register in all the popular zones that are on the rumor. Namely for all at once will be hard to keep up, but it leaves room for action attackers who can register a domain in some exotic zone, due to which they will be able to successfully conduct a phishing attack.
I think this suggestion is a great one to the thormix team because as you mentioned KingsDen I cheaper getting all the package since the team already secured the most expensive among the domain's which is .com.
Well, it is not possible to buy all the related domains but the few major ones. When I registered my business with the .com extension, I was offered the .org and .net extensions for a much cheaper price and I secured the other two. So, getting .com, .org, .net and .io at same time will not cost much. It will certainly not stop scam site but their options will be reduced as other unpopular extension names don't rank high in search engines.Nobody can buy all the domains, now there are many more than before. You can buy about 70 domains with 400 dollars, it is impossible to cover that method (с) ;)
Nobody can buy all the domains, now there are many more than before. You can buy about 70 domains with 400 dollars, it is impossible to cover that method (с) ;)I highly agree with that approach. Instead of buying all domain names where most of those are useless one should consider buying 70 domains of good and top TLDS as those can be purchased with less than $500 for a whole year and such a cost won't be high for a mixing service.
I guess that means having a 70% damage control tool if those domains are secured from those phishing attackers, and if couple in addition to the users taking precautionary measures it will eliminate chances of getting into the wrong hand when looking for a mixer to use, and such popular and prominent mixers name forgery won't be easily used to carry out such scam games.Nobody can buy all the domains, now there are many more than before. You can buy about 70 domains with 400 dollars, it is impossible to cover that method (с) ;)I highly agree with that approach. Instead of buying all domain names where most of those are useless one should consider buying 70 domains of good and top TLDS as those can be purchased with less than $500 for a whole year and such a cost won't be high for a mixing service.
But the thing I was talking about was the success rate. People are going to copy you only when they see that you become popular. People trying to copy you means you have some popularity. But I hope the number of phishing/clones reduce and people do not get scammed.
Sorry but you are wrong and Learn Bitcoin is right actually, it is true that it's all about scammers trying to get some Satoshis, and will do anything for it, but then, also understand that scammers are very sensible people, they don't just go about cloning whatever product or service they find out there, they take their time to search for ones people are using the most, or most interested in, then they clone that service or product and then try to divert some of the users of that service or product to their own clone/phishing scam.But the thing I was talking about was the success rate. People are going to copy you only when they see that you become popular. People trying to copy you means you have some popularity. But I hope the number of phishing/clones reduce and people do not get scammed.
It is not about popularity it is all about Bitcoin, scammers will do anything to get satoshis. They use such cloning techniques for everything that deals with Bitcoin. It is not possible to stop them, a user of a mixer or an exchange should double-check the DNS address before proceeding. We are in 2024 and we are still seeing people falling for such scams. I have not seen any clone of Thormixer if anyone does find then report it to the team.
Nobody can buy all the domains, now there are many more than before. You can buy about 70 domains with 400 dollars, it is impossible to cover that method (с) ;)I highly agree with that approach. Instead of buying all domain names where most of those are useless one should consider buying 70 domains of good and top TLDS as those can be purchased with less than $500 for a whole year and such a cost won't be high for a mixing service.
Being cloned isn't so bad, it means it's popular, right?.You just don't know, observe in your keyboard that "B" and "V" are beside each other. And so when you type accidentally and you didn't notice it that you put vinance.com and then redirected by the criminals to binancë.com without you realizing that it is a phishing site.
no one is going to fall for vinance.com( it is available...)https://www.thormixer.io
You just don't know, observe in your keyboard that "B" and "V" are beside each other. And so when you type accidentally and you didn't notice it that you put vinance.com and then redirected by the criminals to binancë.com without you realizing that it is a phishing site.Yep, you are right. Sometimes we make mistakes while writing the URL. So, I would like to believe that the scammers did the research before they picked the domain finance. Even if they would take ninance, that would be another good move even though we are thinking that no one would fall for such a nonsense scam. Look at the keyboard again and you will understand why I am saying this. Just a few weeks ago I was attacked by phishing. I was on the phone and did not notice the URL. My metamask was drained and the loss was around $200 to $300 maybe. I don't remember.
Nobody can buy all the domains, now there are many more than before. You can buy about 70 domains with 400 dollars, it is impossible to cover that method () ;)True, only big big company like google facebook et similia can affort this cost. Just use the correct one, is simple in my vision.
As pakhitheboss said, it is not about popularity. It is about where and how to steal bitcoin. Infact the more unpopular the better because their suspecting victims will also be confused since the URL is not popular. When a project becomes popular, the brand name sinks in mind and many customers have recognised them, their UI and also their verification processes. This will make it difficult for scammers to succeed. But for a project that has not dominated yet, there'll certainly be alot of loopholes to exploit.But the thing I was talking about was the success rate. People are going to copy you only when they see that you become popular. People trying to copy you means you have some popularity. But I hope the number of phishing/clones reduce and people do not get scammed.
It is not about popularity it is all about Bitcoin, scammers will do anything to get satoshis. They use such cloning techniques for everything that deals with Bitcoin. It is not possible to stop them, a user of a mixer or an exchange should double-check the DNS address before proceeding. We are in 2024 and we are still seeing people falling for such scams. I have not seen any clone of Thormixer if anyone does find then report it to the team.
Just use the correct one, is simple in my vision.Yeah it is that simple, and after using the correct website, it is important to bookmark it. That's the mistake some people make, they do not bookmark it, instead they try to type it whenever they want to access the website, and they can easily land into a cloned site in that way.
As pakhitheboss said, it is not about popularity. It is about where and how to steal bitcoin. Infact the more unpopular the better because their suspecting victims will also be confused since the URL is not popular. When a project becomes popular, the brand name sinks in mind and many customers have recognised them, their UI and also their verification processes. This will make it difficult for scammers to succeed. But for a project that has not dominated yet, there'll certainly be alot of loopholes to exploit.
At least 80% of Internet users are careless enough not to see the difference between .co and .com. These are the most frequent targets of phishing scammers and therefore the most frequent victims.80% is really a lot, I thought there are still more security literate users who occasionally glance at the browser address bar. It's one thing when you just visit entertainment or information sites, but quite another when you work with financial platforms. This is where at least minimal vigilance is needed.
As I said earlier, it is impossible to predict all combinations.
I guess that means having a 70% damage control tool if those domains are secured from those phishing attackersNot just 70% but almost 99% because most internet users especially the ones who use mixers will only visit it if is updated on a top level or good TLD and they often ignore the domains of low quality.
+1 for you on this, that is the point, so the most important thing is having all the easily penetrative access blocked and user should take caution on their own end, because mixers are most targeted buy big time scammers since if their have access and publicity it becomes easy to sway unsuspecting mixers users.Edited outNot just 70% but almost 99% because most internet users especially the ones who use mixers will only visit it if is updated on a top level or good TLD and they often ignore the domains of low quality.
The purchased domains can be used as mirror sites of the mixer or they may redirect the user to the original domain of the mixer.
+1 for you on this, that is the point, so the most important thing is having all the easily penetrative access blocked and user should take caution on their own end, because mixers are most targeted buy big time scammers since if their have access and publicity it becomes easy to sway unsuspecting mixers users.I highly agree with you, it's quite good to block the scammers from owning those domain names so they won't be able to scam anyone. There's no doubt that mixers are way more targeted than other type of services and that's why a mixer owner or owner team should always have such preventive measures. Such measures will help a mixer to survive for long-term without any complaints.
Yeah it is that simple, and after using the correct website, it is important to bookmark it. That's the mistake some people make, they do not bookmark it, instead they try to type it whenever they want to access the website, and they can easily land into a cloned site in that way.
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We know that bookmarking the mixer site is not the ultimate solution, but it is one of the basic things anyone especially the newbies should do. Atleast first things first. It is better to be partially cautious than to be totally vulnerable. These scammers are not as sophisticated as we think, little precaution measures we take increases their work by X10.Yeah it is that simple, and after using the correct website, it is important to bookmark it. That's the mistake some people make, they do not bookmark it, instead they try to type it whenever they want to access the website, and they can easily land into a cloned site in that way.
Adding a site to your bookmarks is not a panacea, and it sometimes won't save you from a phishing attack. The MEW phishing attack is a good example of this when hackers found vulnerabilities in public DNS servers.
I would like to say that users who use mixers are more savvy and more cautious in this regard, but this is not always so.
As an example, there was a case of one user on this forum who accused another mixer of stealing over 10 BTC. But it looks like he just became a victim of phishing.People have alot of money, reason they are not very careful handling some amount of money. If I have 10BTC that I earned legally to mix, before I'll send to a particular mixer, I'll ensure that i have cross checked everything and certify them to be true. I'll then proceed to mix $100 worth of it, if that works, I'll start the mixing but in 5 partitions.
80 percent is over exaggeration, I will bring that number down to 10 percent, or even lower, seems to me that some of us really don't know what 80 percent means in a situation like this, that is far more than half of all internet users, lets not be careless with our use of numbers in matters like this, except of course, there is trustable data to back it up.At least 80% of Internet users are careless enough not to see the difference between .co and .com. These are the most frequent targets of phishing scammers and therefore the most frequent victims.80% is really a lot, I thought there are still more security literate users who occasionally glance at the browser address bar. It's one thing when you just visit entertainment or information sites, but quite another when you work with financial platforms. This is where at least minimal vigilance is needed.
As I said earlier, it is impossible to predict all combinations.
I would like to say that users who use mixers are more savvy and more cautious in this regard, but this is not always so. As an example, there was a case of one user on this forum who accused another mixer of stealing over 10 BTC. But it looks like he just became a victim of phishing.Yes that's true but sometimes minor mistakes are enough to ruin that savviness. Those who're technically good can also sometimes avoid smaller things and that's they get scammed by the malicious actors. I remember that 10 BTC guy and feel bad for him but sometimes you own holdings can get you victimized. Although he thought that he was doing everything in a right manner but in actual he was victim of phishing and nothing else.
Wait, I am not very sure about the incident you guys are talking about, is the one that happened where some dude was accusing unjoin of scamming him (honestly can no longer remember if it was 10 btc, but I know it's either 10 or above that) his complaint was all over unjoin thread at the time.I would like to say that users who use mixers are more savvy and more cautious in this regard, but this is not always so. As an example, there was a case of one user on this forum who accused another mixer of stealing over 10 BTC. But it looks like he just became a victim of phishing.Yes that's true but sometimes minor mistakes are enough to ruin that savviness. Those who're technically good can also sometimes avoid smaller things and that's they get scammed by the malicious actors. I remember that 10 BTC guy and feel bad for him but sometimes you own holdings can get you victimized. Although he thought that he was doing everything in a right manner but in actual he was victim of phishing and nothing else.
Adding a site to your bookmarks is not a panacea, and it sometimes won't save you from a phishing attack. The MEW phishing attack is a good example of this when hackers found vulnerabilities in public DNS servers.I don't know of the MEW phishing attack you are talking about, but bookmarking the official website of any service is a way to avoid phishing and the chances of landing into a cloned website. However, you have to also ensure that your device is used properly and free from malware, so it does not get compromised by attackers.
Adding a site to your bookmarks is not a panacea, and it sometimes won't save you from a phishing attack. The MEW phishing attack is a good example of this when hackers found vulnerabilities in public DNS servers.In any case, verifying the letter of guarantee and bookmark signing key in a safe place will greatly reduce the possibility of scam.
If that is the case you guys are talking about, then I honestly do not think that issue or incident ever happened, I suspect that dude possibly hired to blackmail the said mixer at the time since they seems to be really doing well before their closure. I say this because that dude never provided any evidence (at lease, I did not see or read any) to prove that his case was legit.
I could be wrong though, but this is honestly what I think concerning that issue, this is if the one I assume you guys are talking about; is actually the one you guys are talking about.
I don't know of the MEW phishing attack you are talking about, but bookmarking the official website of any service is a way to avoid phishing and the chances of landing into a cloned website. However, you have to also ensure that your device is used properly and free from malware, so it does not get compromised by attackers.
I could be wrong though, but this is honestly what I think concerning that issue, this is if the one I assume you guys are talking about; is actually the one you guys are talking about.No, you aren't wrong, we were actually talking about that guy and as dwyane36 mentioned the guy got Monarch status by paying a huge value of 10 ETH only to prove that he's someone with enough money.
I don't know if it was resolved by the Unijoin team back then or not but as far as I remember then the issue was either solved or you maybe right the guy might be someone to defame the mixer at that time.
It is still not clear how someone who lost 10-15BTC, accepted it so easily, and added 10 ETH to that loss
I don't know if it was resolved by the Unijoin team back then or not but as far as I remember then the issue was either solved or you maybe right the guy might be someone to defame the mixer at that time.
The guy (Jessuni) never provided any evidence as regards his claim, he only just wewent ahead and generously donated +10 ETH to the forum - after being pressured by forum members to show us proof that he actually used the the service he disappear (that's not something that someone who lost that kind of amount would do).
Just use the correct one, is simple in my vision.Yeah it is that simple, and after using the correct website, it is important to bookmark it. That's the mistake some people make, they do not bookmark it, instead they try to type it whenever they want to access the website, and they can easily land into a cloned site in that way.
I don't know of the MEW phishing attack you are talking about, but bookmarking the official website of any service is a way to avoid phishing and the chances of landing into a cloned website. However, you have to also ensure that your device is used properly and free from malware, so it does not get compromised by attackers.Many years ago this type of attack was very popular, mew was widely used and therefore they targeted this online wallet. Honestly, I have never used mew, I went straight to playing with metamask which seems better to me from many points of view.
Just tested the mixer.Thanks very much for testing and posting a review here, I sincerely appreciate it as this gives me (and maybe some others who have the same testing plans in the pipeline) a heads-up and what exactly to expect.
- Website is pretty straightforward, I like the simplicity.
- I tested a mix with two addresses.
- The letter of guarantee was verified with the PGP key on the website (B8A5 CFCA F63F F2D8 384A 6B12 D3B2 8095 6F0E 7CAF).
In contrary to other mixers that have a bunch of js and animations, I kinda like how you generate a mix with its LoG and that's it. You get the deposit address and all othe information on that letter. Just send coins -> receive coins after a few hours.
I chose 2 outputs, each from a different exchange (Binance and BitGet). The amount sent was 0,0051 BTC.
I received 0,0013 + 0,0028246 = 0,0041246 BTC. After the fixed fee of 0.0007 BTC, I was charged around 5.4%
Both exchanges credited the deposits normally.
Both transactions were fee overpaid by 2x (according to mempool.space) at around 20 sat/vByte and were spent by a multisig 2-of-2 of around 0.9 - 1 BTC.
An AML check showed no risk indicators or known counterparties.
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An accusation without proofs is same as an attack on the brand, so I won't take anyone that doesn't have such epidural to convince us that the mixer actually did that to them, because some of those attacks may as well be coming from a competitor who want to rubbish the image of the brand.
I don't know if it was resolved by the Unijoin team back then or not but as far as I remember then the issue was either solved or you maybe right the guy might be someone to defame the mixer at that time.
The guy (Jessuni) never provided any evidence as regards his claim, he only just wewent ahead and generously donated +10 ETH to the forum - after being pressured by forum members to show us proof that he actually used the the service he disappear (that's not something that someone who lost that kind of amount would do).
The guy (Jessuni) never provided any evidence as regards his claim, he only just wewent ahead and generously donated +10 ETH to the forum - after being pressured by forum members to show us proof that he actually used the the service he disappear (that's not something that someone who lost that kind of amount would do).I guess he might disappeared due to other reasons. As we all know that a person won't donate 10 ETH worth of money easily and if someone does that then we should understand that the person is quite wealthy. I believe his case was solved in stealth mode by the mixer and that's why he disappeared or he might disappeared because the Bitcoin he used for mixing purpose had some crime footprints at them or were somehow hacked Bitcoin. We can't really come to any conclusion yet but it's still not 100% guessable that why he disappeared and what made him to disappear after donating a huge sum of 10 ETH.
I believe his case was solved in stealth mode by the mixer and that's why he disappeared or he might disappeared because the Bitcoin he used for mixing purpose had some crime footprints at them or were somehow hacked Bitcoin.
UniJoin's official answer.Quote from: UniJoinRecently, we learned of a claim indicating that a user was defrauded by UniJoin. However, a closer look reveals that the shared letter of guarantee is missing UniJoin's public key, which is a crucial element and is accessible to the public on our platform. This indicates that no order was ever placed through UniJoin.
that Jessuni never used the service for that amount of coin and we never got anything from Jessuni that states otherwise.Then in that casino Jessuni was either trying to defame the Unijoin or he was victimized by a phishing site.
I think this discussion is now getting out of Hand, this thread is for Thormixer so we should at least discuss something related to it.I agree, it's Thormixer's thread and we should stop the discussion as it will be off topic but it was somehow related to the discussions to protect the Thormixer users from the phishing sites and that's why we continued it but now we should end it here and only discuss the things that are directly related to Thormixer.
And wait, 0.0007 btc at the current usdt price of bitcoin is around $42 dollars, am I the only one that thinks this is pretty high? Or does this have anything to do with the amount/value of bitcoin that was mixed?
And Secondly, is it OK to mix coins directly to exchanges? Or did you just take a risk there?It is not a good idea to send from the mixer directly to the exchange, no matter how low the AML score is. (although you can't even know that until the transaction is confirmed)
you didn't understand the fee structure on thormixer
And wait, 0.0007 btc at the current usdt price of bitcoin is around $42 dollars, am I the only one that thinks this is pretty high? Or does this have anything to do with the amount/value of bitcoin that was mixed?
The USD value does not matter here as it is a Bitcoin mixer. I am also confused as to why more than 5% as a fee was charged as on their platform it clearly states that the fee will be between 4% to 5%
you didn't understand the fee structure on thormixer
4%-5% service fee + 0.0007 BTC (fixed per address) as network fee.
- service fee = interest taken by the mixer for service rendered
- network fee = to cover transaction fee costs for moving funds from address to address.
Now it is clear to me! I was only thinking about the service fee and did not realize the transaction fee. That makes sense a fixed transaction fee in a volatile environment is what every platform that deals in Bitcoin keeps. Thanks for the detailed explanation about the fee structure.Check this thread LIST - Bitcoin mixers & Tumbler services! ✅✅ (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0)
Yeah, that was a very clear explanation there indeed, thanks examples for coming through with that.you didn't understand the fee structure on thormixer
4%-5% service fee + 0.0007 BTC (fixed per address) as network fee.
- service fee = interest taken by the mixer for service rendered
- network fee = to cover transaction fee costs for moving funds from address to address.
Now it is clear to me! I was only thinking about the service fee and did not realize the transaction fee. That makes sense a fixed transaction fee in a volatile environment is what every platform that deals in Bitcoin keeps. Thanks for the detailed explanation about the fee structure.
4%-5% service fee + 0.0007 BTC (fixed per address) as network fee.
Just tested the mixer.
- Website is pretty straightforward, I like the simplicity.
- I tested a mix with two addresses.
- The letter of guarantee was verified with the PGP key on the website (B8A5 CFCA F63F F2D8 384A 6B12 D3B2 8095 6F0E 7CAF).
In contrary to other mixers that have a bunch of js and animations, I kinda like how you generate a mix with its LoG and that's it. You get the deposit address and all othe information on that letter. Just send coins -> receive coins after a few hours.
I chose 2 outputs, each from a different exchange (Binance and BitGet). The amount sent was 0,0051 BTC.
I received 0,0013 + 0,0028246 = 0,0041246 BTC. After the fixed fee of 0.0007 BTC, I was charged around 5.4%
Both exchanges credited the deposits normally.
Both transactions were fee overpaid by 2x (according to mempool.space) at around 20 sat/vByte and were spent by a multisig 2-of-2 of around 0.9 - 1 BTC.
An AML check showed no risk indicators or known counterparties.
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/07/01/owjHc.png)
In your review, I see 21% AML (which is actually very good... but I decided to do my own testing and for some reason the bitcoins that arrived at my address have an AML of only 10%. Honestly, I don’t know what this could be connected, perhaps the funds came through different exchanges (but overall the result is impressive).I used a wallet that had transactions before, so the 21% AML isn't linked directly to Thormixer's coins. What I see is the fact that the mixing tx hasn't tarnished the wallet, which is a positive outcome. ;D
Everything is clear about the service fee, but I do not understand why a fixed cost per address of 0.0007 BTC is set? Why should I pay a higher transaction fee if I use a mixer at a time when the network fee is very low? In my opinion, everyone should pay the current network commission, not the average one.I am also of the opinion that the fixed network fee is too high. Especially now when the network is not under heavy load. I think that only one or two mixers have this fluctuating fee and it depends on the current state of the network.
Both transactions were fee overpaid by 2x (according to mempool.space) at around 20 sat/vByte and were spent by a multisig 2-of-2 of around 0.9 - 1 BTC.
For example, according to recent testing done by Tryninja, thormixer is 2x overpaid fee, which seems like a needless waste of bitcoins. So, users overpay for the cost of the transaction, while the mixer service does not try to reduce costs, even where possible.Both transactions were fee overpaid by 2x (according to mempool.space) at around 20 sat/vByte and were spent by a multisig 2-of-2 of around 0.9 - 1 BTC.0.0007 BTC is indeed high transaction fee but it solves the issue of urgency. Today the transaction fee is currently 7 sat/vB but there are times when this fee has gone beyond 200 sat/vB. This is not once in a while that the transaction fee has been fluctuating, this immense fluctuations has been going on and and it has been out of control. Since we cannot predict or follow a pattern of Bitcoin transaction fee, it will be always good to keep a high transaction fee. As of now some reputed and big CEX are charging more fee than Thormixer. For privacy sake a decent fee which allows fater confirmation is better than a lower fee.
Every mixer user wants to pay the lowest possible network fee. But paying a network fee at a higher rate ensures that the transaction goes through as quickly as possible, for some people this may be the determining factor. But on the other hand, if this point can be technically regulated, then users will certainly be more comfortable when they can pay the current fee rather than the average one. If only for the reason that it will always be possible to wait for the network fee cost to drop and then use the bitcoin mixer service.
Every mixer user wants to pay the lowest possible network fee. But paying a network fee at a higher rate ensures that the transaction goes through as quickly as possible, for some people this may be the determining factor.Fees are not everything. If the level of privacy is low, even 1% fees will not be attractive to try the service.
I again do not feel that someone will be using a mixer for a small amount of Satoshi. The whole purpose of mixer is to provide privacy and that will be only useful with a big transaction. A user going with a big transaction would not mind a high transaction fee as it is still small compared to what banks charge without privacy.It depends on what is a small amount for whom.
Fees are not everything.Of course, it is not everything as long as the percentage is not too high.
Fees are not everything. If the level of privacy is low, even 1% fees will not be attractive to try the service.
Thormixer is a partner, and even if they want to make free fee, there are fees that they have to pay, but I think the fees are appropriate, they just need to reduce the onchain fees.
I guess we the forum members have seen a couple of free mixers that offered mixing services without any fees. But unfortunately, those services did not last long because of obvious reasons. You are on the market for a reason. To provide service, and get profit in return. I understand that probably it was one of their marketing strategies! The fees should depend on a product's service. If there are mixers that offer you the same service for less fees, I am sure people will pick them. But, if you can build a solid reputation with your services, people will pick your service even if you charge more fees than others. I haven't tried Thormixer yet even though I was supposed to try the service. I am planning to check their service by doing some mixing next week. I hope, I won't have any complaint about their service.Also, not claiming this is definitely the case here, but some people might rather pay a higher fee and have a higher effective mixing then pay virtually nothing and be easily found on-chain by anyone. After all, this is the entire point of using a mixer: privacy.
Also, not claiming this is definitely the case here, but some people might rather pay a higher fee and have a higher effective mixing then pay virtually nothing and be easily found on-chain by anyone. After all, this is the entire point of using a mixer: privacy.Yes, in a mixer user's want the best privacy and for that they can pay higher fees. Let's say a mixer is offering 5% fees for best privacy and highest level of anonymity and 1% fee for just privacy and minimum level of anonymity then one will always go for the 5% fee option as that gives higher privacy an best level of anonymity than the 1% fee one. For mixer users privacy is the main choice but I believe for best privacy 5% fee is more than enough and over it is sometimes high for some users.
Also, not claiming this is definitely the case here, but some people might rather pay a higher fee and have a higher effective mixing then pay virtually nothing and be easily found on-chain by anyone. After all, this is the entire point of using a mixer: privacy.
I guess we the forum members have seen a couple of free mixers that offered mixing services without any fees. But unfortunately, those services did not last long because of obvious reasons. You are on the market for a reason.There is no mixer that offers free mixing, but rather commission-free, and you will still pay the transaction fees. Also, the mixers’ strategy is based on obtaining coins from cryptocurrency stock exchanges, which means that there will always be fees.
However, advanced users who have hefty amounts and want better privacy may try the service with higher fees because they want better privacy!Mostly the whales with huge amounts do that so others can't track them. Most of those whales own huge amounts in BTC and if they disclose that to anyone then that can be harmful for their lives or their family.
On the other hand there are some people who may save themselves from crypto taxes and those people also pay higher fees for best privacy possible. Such users have bought Bitcoin when it was cheap or they've mined it in early days and that's why they want to remain hidden too.Crypto regulation has been introduced in my country with an obvious emphasis on paying taxes. So my tax report would have to contain absolutely all transactions. For example, if I have 30 trades per day, they must all be in the report. Now think, how much time do I have to spend just on the tax report?
It's not about avoiding paying taxes, it's about avoiding cumbersome administration. It is much easier to report a few transactions than 1000+ per month.That's a valid concern for some people and it's true that none of us want to spend a lot of time to create a tax report if we make many trades per month. But, there are also those people holding very high number of Bitcoin and they try their best to hide their Bitcoin holding from government.
Crypto regulation has been introduced in my country with an obvious emphasis on paying taxes. So my tax report would have to contain absolutely all transactions. For example, if I have 30 trades per day, they must all be in the report. Now think, how much time do I have to spend just on the tax report?
It's not about avoiding paying taxes, it's about avoiding cumbersome administration. It is much easier to report a few transactions than 1000+ per month.
...In your review, I see 21% AML (which is actually very good... but I decided to do my own testing and for some reason the bitcoins that arrived at my address have an AML of only 10%. Honestly, I dont know what this could be connected, perhaps the funds came through different exchanges (but overall the result is impressive)....So it is my understanding, I am new to the world of mixers (never used them before) that low AML means they mixed the coins well.
An Italian user (turtlecute) had also spoken and written an article about joinmarket, a sort of homemade coinjoin, but it was really super complicated for normal users.Joinmarket is a CoinJoin implementation, it is a great way to maintain your privacy, but as you found out it is complex for normal users, you even have to run your own full node as a requirement. Mixers are more friendly to normal or average users, and it is effective in obscuring the origin of your tx's and giving you the required privacy.
I think it is better to use professional sites like this one. Thanks for the informations.
...In your review, I see 21% AML (which is actually very good... but I decided to do my own testing and for some reason the bitcoins that arrived at my address have an AML of only 10%. Honestly, I dont know what this could be connected, perhaps the funds came through different exchanges (but overall the result is impressive)....So it is my understanding, I am new to the world of mixers (never used them before) that low AML means they mixed the coins well.
An Italian user (turtlecute) had also spoken and written an article about joinmarket, a sort of homemade coinjoin, but it was really super complicated for normal users.
I think it is better to use professional sites like this one. Thanks for the informations.
So it is my understanding, I am new to the world of mixers (never used them before) that low AML means they mixed the coins well.To some extent you're right and low AML in simple words is safe for the users who get those mixed coins. Financial institutions of government's are against money laundering and that's why a low AML is good and safe.
So it is my understanding, I am new to the world of mixers (never used them before) that low AML means they mixed the coins well.No, low AML does not mean that your bitcoin were mixed well, but it means that the source from which came is as good as it comes from exchanges or OTC markets. In joinmarket you mix your bitcoin and get a balance from the mixed coins, but using Thormixer means that you mix your bitcoin and the balance comes from exchange.
An Italian user (turtlecute) had also spoken and written an article about joinmarket, a sort of homemade coinjoin, but it was really super complicated for normal users.
I think it is better to use professional sites like this one. Thanks for the informations.
I believe that everything over 60% sets off alarms and such coins will most likely require additional checks by the KYC service. 10% is more than safe.So it is my understanding, I am new to the world of mixers (never used them before) that low AML means they mixed the coins well.To some extent you're right and low AML in simple words is safe for the users who get those mixed coins. Financial institutions of government's are against money laundering and that's why a low AML is good and safe.
I'm not sure that what percentage of AML is safe but I believe it should be under 25% and in Icopress's test it was around 10% and I believe that's a good percentage.
I believe that everything over 60% sets off alarms and such coins will most likely require additional checks by the KYC service. 10% is more than safe.I thought it might be under 25% or maybe 30% but if under 60% is safe then that's a good thing. AML check tools should vary without any doubt as they're developed by different developer or team of developers but surely most of them would give almost similar result with some deviation. I've personally never used any such tools and that's why I can't compare those or their results but I'm pretty sure that those tools might be paid ones not free ones.
However, the question of the method of checking always remains, not every AML check tool has to give the same results, but I assume that they do not deviate much.
On a general note, even though AML check tools doesn't give the same result but their various discrepancies are not so different in gap and since thormixer have a AML score of 10%, that means regardless of how other AML checkers could give as result it won't get up to 15% to 20% which for me is still very clean enough to keep your mixed coins from being dented as suspicious inflow.I believe that everything over 60% sets off alarms and such coins will most likely require additional checks by the KYC service. 10% is more than safe.So it is my understanding, I am new to the world of mixers (never used them before) that low AML means they mixed the coins well.To some extent you're right and low AML in simple words is safe for the users who get those mixed coins. Financial institutions of government's are against money laundering and that's why a low AML is good and safe.
I'm not sure that what percentage of AML is safe but I believe it should be under 25% and in Icopress's test it was around 10% and I believe that's a good percentage.
However, the question of the method of checking always remains, not every AML check tool has to give the same results, but I assume that they do not deviate much.
Yeah, mixers are easily to understand and it will just take some basic knowledge to be able to take advantage of it so that you can enjoy anonymity and privacy.
There are a lot of mixers around, but obviously, Thormixer.io is amongst the best as there are no logs. Of course, not everyone is willing to used complicated algorithm, however, there's nothing wrong to try CoinJoin just to have that experience, IMHO.
CoinJoin is complicated, you will need to understand how to operate and it is not that easy to understand whereas mixers are simple to use. If you want more privacy then either you will need to spend money or learn the art of privacy.Not only that, but the advantage of mixers is that they give you money from other sources, such as crypto exchange, and not just mixing your currencies with others and getting the output.
Not only that, but the advantage of mixers is that they give you money from other sources, such as crypto exchange, and not just mixing your currencies with others and getting the output.FYI, not all mixers give you coins from different sources. I know of a few that just pool all coins they receive and use them to pay out their later customers.
Not only that, but the advantage of mixers is that they give you money from other sources, such as crypto exchange, and not just mixing your currencies with others and getting the output.FYI, not all mixers give you coins from different sources. I know of a few that just pool all coins they receive and use them to pay out their later customers.
I send 1 BTC -> I receive 1 BTC that the customer before me sent.
You send 1 BTC -> You receive the 1 BTC I sent before.
That's why it's important to choose the right mixer if you want maximum privacy.
FYI, not all mixers give you coins from different sources. I know of a few that just pool all coins they receive and use them to pay out their later customers.
I send 1 BTC -> I receive 1 BTC that the customer before me sent.
You send 1 BTC -> You receive the 1 BTC I sent before.
Well, I just tried Thormixer, and I don't know what to write about it. The process is too simple, and it does not need a further explanation of how I did it. To be honest, I thought I would get some loading screen where I would be able to see my deposits and track the mixing progress. But nothing like that.
I used the Complete Anonymity mode and sent 0.004 Bitcoin to the generated address, and I downloaded the Letter of Guarantee file. Is there anything left to do? Could someone please help those who used Thormixer before? I guess I am free to close the tab now.
I used the Complete Anonymity mode and sent 0.004 Bitcoin to the generated address, and I downloaded the Letter of Guarantee file. Is there anything left to do? Could someone please help those who used Thormixer before? I guess I am free to close the tab now.
I used the Complete Anonymity mode and sent 0.004 Bitcoin to the generated address, and I downloaded the Letter of Guarantee file. Is there anything left to do? Could someone please help those who used Thormixer before? I guess I am free to close the tab now.If you have downloaded the letter of guarantee, then you can close the page. In case of any stoppage, the letter of guarantee serves as proof of the started mixing process.
I still have to try it, but reading all your reviews and how you did it I have already learned how to do itThe letter of guarantee contains all the necessary information about the mixing process that you started. The download button is very clearly displayed on Thormixer and it is desirable to do this before sending Bitcoin.
I have never used a mixer before, so this would be my first mixer ever
I don't know about the others but it seems very simple to use apart from the warranty letter, can anyone explain it to me in a simple way?
Update of my latest Mix.Try doing an AML check, I think icopress has some remaining credit for that
I have received my Bitcoin in two transactions (0.0014 + 0.001688 = 0.003088 BTC).
In my case, the fee was 0.0007 + 0.000212 = 0.000912 BTC. I received the Bitcoin from 2 of the 2 multi-sig wallets, and they have paid 20 sat/vb, which is more than the average fees now. Everything went so smoothly; it was the simplest mix I have ever made. I have used four or five mixers before, but this one is too simple compared to all of them. Also, I noticed the gap between those two transactions. It was about a three-hour gap, pretty good for privacy.
Great to hear your review and most importantly as you pointed pit in detail about the fees an time frame it take and how many deposits that it takes to get you mixed coins back to your wallet.I used the Complete Anonymity mode and sent 0.004 Bitcoin to the generated address, and I downloaded the Letter of Guarantee file. Is there anything left to do? Could someone please help those who used Thormixer before? I guess I am free to close the tab now.
Update of my latest Mix.
I have received my Bitcoin in two transactions (0.0014 + 0.001688 = 0.003088 BTC).
In my case, the fee was 0.0007 + 0.000212 = 0.000912 BTC. I received the Bitcoin from 2 of the 2 multi-sig wallets, and they have paid 20 sat/vb, which is more than the average fees now. Everything went so smoothly; it was the simplest mix I have ever made. I have used four or five mixers before, but this one is too simple compared to all of them. Also, I noticed the gap between those two transactions. It was about a three-hour gap, pretty good for privacy.
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Great to read your review bud, can't really wait to run my own test mix, my only problem seem to be the fee, but I guess thats not really a problem if..I used the Complete Anonymity mode and sent 0.004 Bitcoin to the generated address, and I downloaded the Letter of Guarantee file. Is there anything left to do? Could someone please help those who used Thormixer before? I guess I am free to close the tab now.
Update of my latest Mix.
I have received my Bitcoin in two transactions (0.0014 + 0.001688 = 0.003088 BTC).
In my case, the fee was 0.0007 + 0.000212 = 0.000912 BTC. I received the Bitcoin from 2 of the 2 multi-sig wallets, and they have paid 20 sat/vb, which is more than the average fees now. Everything went so smoothly; it was the simplest mix I have ever made. I have used four or five mixers before, but this one is too simple compared to all of them. Also, I noticed the gap between those two transactions. It was about a three-hour gap, pretty good for privacy.
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I have used four or five mixers before, but this one is too simple compared to all of them. Also, I noticed the gap between those two transactions. It was about a three-hour gap, pretty good for privacy.Yes, I agree that when I used Thormixer I also noticed that it was quite easy to use this mixer. I've also used multiple mixers before it but I also found it pretty easy as compare to the other mixers that I used.
Try doing an AML check, I think icopress has some remaining credit for that
Three hours gap is quite good I believe but one should always set the gap to longer times if possible to increase the privacy of the coins. For simple testing 3 hours gap is more than enough I believe.Or, what about users who can choose the time? I have used a mixer before where the user can pick the time frame between the transactions. But, I guess Thormixer wants to keep it simple and do not want to add anything complex.
Try doing an AML check, I think icopress has some remaining credit for that
I already did using AMLbot and it said
Low-risk transaction 👍
Counterparty Risk Score: 10%
I guess this is enough. Should I submit a screenshot? Or is it enough?
The three hours gap I believe was simply for testing purposes, not that he really wanted to mix the coin he did mixed, I would agree that three hours gap is definitely too short, though it depends on how many transactions is processed on the bitcoin blockchain hourly.I have used four or five mixers before, but this one is too simple compared to all of them. Also, I noticed the gap between those two transactions. It was about a three-hour gap, pretty good for privacy.Yes, I agree that when I used Thormixer I also noticed that it was quite easy to use this mixer. I've also used multiple mixers before it but I also found it pretty easy as compare to the other mixers that I used.
Three hours gap is quite good I believe but one should always set the gap to longer times if possible to increase the privacy of the coins. For simple testing 3 hours gap is more than enough I believe.
The three hours gap I believe was simply for testing purposes, not that he really wanted to mix the coin he did mixed, I would agree that three hours gap is definitely too short, though it depends on how many transactions is processed on the bitcoin blockchain hourly.
Let's say if like 1 million or more transactions are processed on the bitcoin network hourly, then setting a three hours gap between transaction is definitely and surely good enough for what ever level of privacy one needs.
But assuming that there are just a few hundred to a thousand transactions that is process on the network, then giving a three hour gap between transactions is surely not really good enough; privacy minded though.
Hours do not really matter, it's the number of blocks you are spacing them apart in. Obviously you wouldn't want to receive the two transactions in the same block, or even in the next block. The whole idea is to create a "buffer" so that chain analysis doesn't think the two transactions are related.
... I checked that the two transactions did not come from the same wallet (If I am not wrong). ..
But, I guess Thormixer wants to keep it simple and do not want to add anything complex.It's good to know that they did that to keep things simple and there's nothing wrong in that approach.
I would agree that three hours gap is definitely too short, though it depends on how many transactions is processed on the bitcoin blockchain hourly.I'm not exactly sure but the number of processed transactions per hour should be below 30k and even that number is more than enough to add privacy in coins. Since the mixed coins are sent to different addresses that's why I believe privacy of the mixed coins is 100% maintained, however it's always recommended by privacy enthusiasts to increase the duration between two mixed transactions to have better privacy.
Let's say if like 1 million or more transactions are processed on the bitcoin network hourly, then setting a three hours gap between transaction is definitely and surely good enough for what ever level of privacy one needs.
Yeah. For better privacy, users should use at least two addresses, and both of them just a fresh wallet that was never used before. I checked that the two transactions did not come from the same wallet (If I am not wrong). The gap between the two transactions was over ten blocks which is good enough. I believe it's almost impossible to connect these wallets and track the money because those are fresh wallets and not connected to each other by any way, Not in the same block, not received from the same wallet, nothing. So, I guess it's good enough.
Or, what about users who can choose the time? I have used a mixer before where the user can pick the time frame between the transactions. But, I guess Thormixer wants to keep it simple and do not want to add anything complex.
Well, I think we are basically saying the same thing, it's like explaining the same thing in different ways, or explaining from perspective.The three hours gap I believe was simply for testing purposes, not that he really wanted to mix the coin he did mixed, I would agree that three hours gap is definitely too short, though it depends on how many transactions is processed on the bitcoin blockchain hourly.
Let's say if like 1 million or more transactions are processed on the bitcoin network hourly, then setting a three hours gap between transaction is definitely and surely good enough for what ever level of privacy one needs.
But assuming that there are just a few hundred to a thousand transactions that is process on the network, then giving a three hour gap between transactions is surely not really good enough; privacy minded though.
Hours do not really matter, it's the number of blocks you are spacing them apart in. Obviously you wouldn't want to receive the two transactions in the same block, or even in the next block. The whole idea is to create a "buffer" so that chain analysis doesn't think the two transactions are related.
I don't think that the time in mixing those coins really matters, because with such a volume of transactions per hours, it clearly shows that the coins will go through multiple wallets addresses and channels to deliver a clean and proper mixed coins that offers high privacy already.But, I guess Thormixer wants to keep it simple and does not want to add anything complex.It's good to know that they did that to keep things simple and there's nothing wrong in that approach.I would agree that three hours gap is definitely too short, though it depends on how many transactions is processed on the Bitcoin blockchain hourly.I'm not exactly sure but the number of processed transactions per hour should be below 30k and even that number is more than enough to add privacy in coins. Since the mixed coins are sent to different addresses that's why I believe privacy of the mixed coins is 100% maintained, however it's always recommended by privacy enthusiasts to increase the duration between two mixed transactions to have better privacy.
Let's say 1 million or more transactions are processed on the Bitcoin network hourly, then setting a three-hour gap between transactions is definitely and surely good enough for whatever level of privacy one needs.
Since Thormixer.io indicates that the end user receives his coins from various exchanges, I would like to know how he uses the coins he receives for mixing?
Maybe that might be the reason for their simple design and easy-to-understand platform, even a noob can easily mix Bitcoin using it.
Since Thormixer.io indicates that the end user receives his coins from various exchanges, I would like to know how he uses the coins he receives for mixing?This question has been asked to Jambler and his partners many times, it is probably part of a business secret because they have been doing it successfully for years.
Superb mixer... Auto delete.... android/Smartphone friendly....
All kinds of BTC address supported...no registration.... No storage users personal information.... finally I like Thormixer.io
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... Maybe that might be the reason for their simple design and easy-to-understand platform, even a noob can easily mix Bitcoin using it.I have never used a mixer in the past and I must say that I found this mixer very easy to understand and very intuitive. Complexity doesnt always help, in fact there are some design rules that say the opposite like less is more it is not easy to make simple designs and therefore I would say that the work done here is good. Simple and basic, what interests us is that you mix the coins well.
service is compromised, users can remain protected.
service is compromised, users can remain protected.
You are in the Thormixer.io announcement thread, and I don't know what you are talking about. I just checked that Thormixer.io is working fine for me, and it's not compromised. So, you may want to tell us in detail what you are talking about. What service got compromised and when? If you think this will be off-topic here, please consider creating a new thread. I will join you there to learn more about it.
Or did you mean that if the service gets compromised, the users remain protected?
There are many users who want to avoid the threat of unintended code execution, where they will reduce security concerns if JavaScript is disabled. Services that work without JavaScript increase user acceptance.
You are right, and I completely agree wit you, most especially with that line that said it's not easy to make simple designs, i guess that the irony of life there, alot of people fancy complex and challenging things/designs, and developers try to make their work appear as complex/fancy as possible so that users will feel that the work is very expensive and appreciate it, but ironically, what users really love and appreciate is that simple looking, easy to understand and navigate design/interface.... Maybe that might be the reason for their simple design and easy-to-understand platform, even a noob can easily mix Bitcoin using it.I have never used a mixer in the past and I must say that I found this mixer very easy to understand and very intuitive. Complexity doesnt always help, in fact there are some design rules that say the opposite like less is more it is not easy to make simple designs and therefore I would say that the work done here is good. Simple and basic, what interests us is that you mix the coins well.
And fortunately, the developers behind Thormixer seem to have understood the above perfectly well, and great to see that their community like their product.
...And fortunately, the developers behind Thormixer seem to have understood the above perfectly well, and great to see that their community like their product.I know because I have studied these things, the golden rule is, less is more. It is not easy to understand what to leave, essential, to leave usability and at the same time have a clean interface there are entire UX (user experience) teams in multinationals to understand even just how to make a button (e.g. Spotify) so go figure, its a very complex science.
The bottom line is that, team dedications and willingness to provides are well structured and dedicated service for the client in the most safest way ever and at the same time mentianing high privacy for their users, I think when it comes to that, thormix team have a well structured background foundation in coin mixing judging from how the site interface and it flexibility of usage to both old-timers or newbies coins mixers....And fortunately, the developers behind Thormixer seem to have understood the above perfectly well, and great to see that their community like their product.I know because I have studied these things, the golden rule is, less is more. It is not easy to understand what to leave, essential, to leave usability and at the same time have a clean interface there are entire UX (user experience) teams in multinationals to understand even just how to make a button (e.g. Spotify) so go figure, its a very complex science.
And fortunately, the developers behind Thormixer seem to have understood the above perfectly well, and great to see that their community like their product.
I came across a new mixer ANN, I visited the website that has a soothing background color but the problem is that the design is confusing. Thormixer does not have a soothing background and yet it is so easy to navigate and easy to understand for anyone. I saw someone asking why the .onion link is not displayed on the website and the answer from OP was hilarious. A minimalistic approach is what is required while designing the home page and in this case, Thormixer is far better than others available in the mixing market today.
Used other mixers as well in the past, but yes, that is the case, some of them have learn from past mixers and that the design should be minimalistic, as I think that maybe they take into account that not all Bitcoin enthusiast as technically included and so they will have to design their website that will not confused a first time user and so that chances of them coming back as a repeat customer is very high. It should complicated things for us.
You are spot on with the increase in Bitcoin adoption and the increase in demand for mixers it is evident that not everyone is sound technically.Yes, I agree, Thormixer's design is quite minimal and anyone can understand it within seconds without much hassle.
mixer is supposed to be simple, just a few lines, no animation, and no JavaScript compatible. It will make the site load fast for those who use Tor. This is exactly what is in Thormixer's interfaceYou are spot on with the increase in Bitcoin adoption and the increase in demand for mixers it is evident that not everyone is sound technically.Yes, I agree, Thormixer's design is quite minimal and anyone can understand it within seconds without much hassle.
mixer is supposed to be simple, just a few lines, no animation, and no JavaScript compatible. It will make the site load fast for those who use Tor. This is exactly what is in Thormixer's interfaceYou've explained Thormixer in the best way possible. I agree that a mixer should not focus more on beauty of webpage by adding animations or JavaScript code but it should focus on simple clean code that should work as fast as possible. Fortunately, Thormixer is designed by keeping those things in mind and that's why it loads pretty fast.
mixer is supposed to be simple, just a few lines, no animation, and no JavaScript compatible. It will make the site load fast for those who use Tor. This is exactly what is in Thormixer's interfaceYou've explained Thormixer in the best way possible. I agree that a mixer should not focus more on beauty of webpage by adding animations or JavaScript code but it should focus on simple clean code that should work as fast as possible. Fortunately, Thormixer is designed by keeping those things in mind and that's why it loads pretty fast.
I'm wondering if the lack of JS on the Thormixer site is to speed up the interface and user experience or if it's also for user data security reasons. By the way, some mixers that are also represented on this forum, on the contrary, use JS on their sites. One of them even recommends enabling JS, if it is disabled in the user's browser.
Being some one who have some time ago learnt wen development, I want to confirm that what you said you absolutely correct.I'm wondering if the lack of JS on the Thormixer site is to speed up the interface and user experience or if it's also for user data security reasons. By the way, some mixers that are also represented on this forum, on the contrary, use JS on their sites. One of them even recommends enabling JS, if it is disabled in the user's browser.
The lack of JS is for speed as it allows the browser to load the website faster. No logs are to provide anonymity to the user who is using the mixer to get his transaction anonymous which makes perfect sense. Javascript is used to provide interactive features to the website and nothing more. Sometime excessive use can make a website more complex for a newbie to understand the interface.
I'm wondering if the lack of JS on the Thormixer site is to speed up the interface and user experience or if it's also for user data security reasons.If I'm not wrong then in most cases it's for the speed of the interface and fast loading of the site not because of the security. However, some people do disable JavaScript for security purpose as well.
SamReomo you are definitely right, because java scripts (JS) make the site loading to be slow due to the load that comes in ng JavaScript, so for a mixer that doesn't need any log record such as cookies and the rest, there wont be need for JavaScripts and not having JS oj thormmixer makes the site to be flexible enough and also increase usera privacy.I'm wondering if the lack of JS on the Thormixer site is to speed up the interface and user experience or if it's also for user data security reasons.If I'm not wrong then in most cases it's for the speed of the interface and fast loading of the site not because of the security. However, some people do disable JavaScript for security purpose as well.
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Basically, removal of JS is a big plus for them and a well thought out feature not being available on a mixer site.Yes, it's a big plus for them and especially the Tor based users find sites without JS pretty useful. I'm pretty sure that they have considered Tor users also when building the code of their site that's why they avoided that JS. A mixer without JS is very responsive and Thormixer without any doubt is pretty responsive and fast in loading times.
If I'm not wrong then in most cases it's for the speed of the interface and fast loading of the site not because of the security. However, some people do disable JavaScript for security purpose as well.
Here are some common JavaScript vulnerabilities:I haven't heard about those vulnerabilities before but after reading your posts I also somehow got the feeling that Thormixer might have considered user's privacy and anonymity as well and that's why they haven't added JS. However, I still believe that main reason to disable JS was to improve the performance of the site.
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Thormeixer.io uses javascript, if you review the source page for Thormeixer you will find scripts code View-source: https: //www.thormixer.io/ you can use thormixer without the need for Javascript.mixer is supposed to be simple, just a few lines, no animation, and no JavaScript compatible. It will make the site load fast for those who use Tor. This is exactly what is in Thormixer's interfaceI'm wondering if the lack of JS on the Thormixer site is to speed up the interface and user experience or if it's also for user data security reasons. By the way, some mixers that are also represented on this forum, on the contrary, use JS on their sites. One of them even recommends enabling JS, if it is disabled in the user's browser.
..The reason for the speed of downloading the pages is that it does not contain a lot of animation, website contain 16 pictures 244px x 244px, which means about 2 MB, whatever the internet speed is the slowness, the site will be downloaded quickly.Well done, what an in-depth analysis you did, I honestly would never have thought of it and my browsers have javascript enabled. Do you say its better to use TOR and disable javascript to use the mixer? Do you have any other tips for staying safe and anonymous? thank you very much for your intervention
Turning off JavaScript won't completely protect you from tracking user behavior or fingerprint, but it will definitely enhance your privacy as it will protect you from many attacks such as cross-site scripting and Server-Side Injection...The reason for the speed of downloading the pages is that it does not contain a lot of animation, website contain 16 pictures 244px x 244px, which means about 2 MB, whatever the internet speed is the slowness, the site will be downloaded quickly.Well done, what an in-depth analysis you did, I honestly would never have thought of it and my browsers have javascript enabled. Do you say its better to use TOR and disable javascript to use the mixer? Do you have any other tips for staying safe and anonymous? thank you very much for your intervention
Someone might have asked this question before on this thread but I couldn't find it therefore asking again. Has anyone used the Thormixer Telegram bot to mix Bitcoin? I was eager to check how the bot function so I had clicked on it. The menu option are easy to understand and it looks simple to me. But as it is Telegram I exited out of it.
Someone might have asked this question before on this thread but I couldn't find it therefore asking again. Has anyone used the Thormixer Telegram bot to mix Bitcoin? I was eager to check how the bot function so I had clicked on it. The menu option are easy to understand and it looks simple to me. But as it is Telegram I exited out of it.
Has anyone used the Thormixer Telegram bot to mix Bitcoin? I was eager to check how the bot function so I had clicked on it. The menu option are easy to understand and it looks simple to me. But as it is Telegram I exited out of it.Nope, I haven't used that Thormixer Telegram bot for mixing of Bitcoin and I believe I won't use that bot even in future. Without any doubt Telegram based bots are much simple and fast in use but I try to avoid such bots for my own safety. I don't trust Telegram at all and that's why I believe using it for mixing of my Bitcoin won't be a wise step.
Someone might have asked this question before on this thread but I couldn't find it therefore asking again. Has anyone used the Thormixer Telegram bot to mix Bitcoin? I was eager to check how the bot functioned so I clicked on it. The menu options are easy to understand and it looks simple to me. But as it is Telegram I exited out of it.If the telegram is from Thormixer then you shouldn't have anything to worry about using it, I think you can do well to share a link to the bot or maybe I check the first page of this thread to see how the bot works, I have been meaning to make some bitcoin mixing soon, and because of this your question, I think I will use the telegram bot to do the mixing and I will get back to this thread to give my review on the telegram bot features on thormixer
Someone might have asked this question before on this thread but I couldn't find it therefore asking again. Has anyone used the Thormixer Telegram bot to mix Bitcoin? I was eager to check how the bot function so I had clicked on it. The menu option are easy to understand and it looks simple to me. But as it is Telegram I exited out of it.I too would prefer to exclusively use the website functionality to mix bitcoin. No matter how convenient a Telegram bot might seem, it's still a third-party platform with all the implications. And it's not specifically about Telegram, but in principle about any third-party platform. In such a delicate matter, it is better to do without additional intermediaries.
If the telegram is from Thormixer then you shouldn't have anything to worry about using it, I think you can do well to share a link to the bot or maybe I check the first page of this thread to see how the bot works, I have been meaning to make some bitcoin mixing soon, and because of this your question, I think I will use the telegram bot to do the mixing and I will get back to this thread to give my review on the telegram bot features on thormixer
Someone might have asked this question before on this thread but I couldn't find it therefore asking again. Has anyone used the Thormixer Telegram bot to mix Bitcoin? I was eager to check how the bot function so I had clicked on it. The menu option are easy to understand and it looks simple to me. But as it is Telegram I exited out of it.I too would prefer to exclusively use the website functionality to mix bitcoin. No matter how convenient a Telegram bot might seem, it's still a third-party platform with all the implications. And it's not specifically about Telegram, but in principle about any third-party platform. In such a delicate matter, it is better to do without additional intermediaries.
It is very easy to mistype a username on mobile or desktop and get directed to a scam version of the bot. Botting services are in good supply nowadays since it's so easy to do, so it wouldn't be too hard to build a bot that mimics the bot of a mixer but just asks for a bitcoin address and steals the money.
It is very easy to mistype a username on mobile or desktop ...True, you are right, but on desktop I copy and paste from my notepad on mobile but it is really difficult since you have to tap and you dont have a mouse. At least I, a user who has been using computers for many years, finds it complicated and non-intuitive. Better copypaste and not insert by hand.
True, you are right, but on desktop I copy and paste from my notepad on mobile but it is really difficult since you have to tap and you dont have a mouse. At least I, a user who has been using computers for many years, finds it complicated and non-intuitive. Better copypaste and not insert by hand.
Well I am sure using the Telegram bot will make things alot more easier than going the website although not everyone will be free with Telegram bots since their is bad experience with the risk with using Telegram and how easy it is for someone to mistakes a fake bot to mean Thormixer official bots due to the chance that telegram grant them.Has anyone used the Thormixer Telegram bot to mix Bitcoin? I was eager to check how the bot functioned so I clicked on it. The menu options are easy to understand and it looks simple to me. But as it is Telegram I exited out of it.Nope, I haven't used that Thormixer Telegram bot for mixing Bitcoin and I believe I won't use that bot even in future. Without any doubt Telegram based bots are much simple and fast in use but I try to avoid such bots for my own safety. I don't trust Telegram at all and that's why I believe using it for mixing of my Bitcoin won't be a wise step.
Vulnerability are usually not bulletproof to solutions, and as such, it's important we know that all vulnerabilities as it relates to writting codes sure have a way they can be avoided or bypassed.Here are some common JavaScript vulnerabilities:I haven't heard about those vulnerabilities before but after reading your posts I also somehow got the feeling that Thormixer might have considered user's privacy and anonymity as well and that's why they haven't added JS. However, I still believe that main reason to disable JS was to improve the performance of the site.
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Mixers do not provide any other kind of special service aside mixing bitcoin, so there is actually no need for some kind of complicated designs and functionalities, the guys behind Thormixer probably understands this very well, which is why they possibly have choosen to keep things as simple as it can be.I highly agree with you, mixers main job is to mix Bitcoin and it makes sense to make site in a way that mixing could be done without any issues, and if a mixer can do the job successfully without adding extra elements of design then that's actually a good thing. Thormixer surely understand that thing very well and that's why we see Thormixer's design as minimalistic.
Mixers do not provide any other kind of special service aside mixing bitcoin, so there is actually no need for some kind of complicated designs and functionalities, the guys behind Thormixer probably understands this very well, which is why they possibly have choosen to keep things as simple as it can be.
Well I am sure using the Telegram bot will make things alot more easier than going the website although not everyone will be free with Telegram bots since their is bad experience with the risk with using Telegram and how easy it is for someone to mistakes a fake bot to mean Thormixer official bots due to the chance that telegram grant them.
I will use the bot in the coming week, to see how it works and what next to lookout for as regards to Thormixer because I realise that the features on Telegram bots are alot more different from that on the website.
The process of BTC mixing through the Thormixer telegram bot looks quite convenient. And I think one of the advantages of mixing through their telegram bot is that this process can be made even more anonymous. As you may know, users can buy anonymous numbers to sign up for a telegram account on the fragment site. This, combined with the "Complete anonymity" mixing mode, will make the mixing process even more secure in terms of anonymity.
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Of course, there are always risks that scammers can create clones of the official Telegram bot as well as it was with the domain. In this regard, users should certainly be more careful.
Well I am sure using the Telegram bot will make things alot more easier than going the website although not everyone will be free with Telegram bots since their is bad experience with the risk with using Telegram and how easy it is for someone to mistakes a fake bot to mean Thormixer official bots due to the chance that telegram grant them.
I will use the bot in the coming week, to see how it works and what next to lookout for as regards to Thormixer because I realise that the features on Telegram bots are alot more different from that on the website.
The process of BTC mixing through the Thormixer telegram bot looks quite convenient. And I think one of the advantages of mixing through their telegram bot is that this process can be made even more anonymous. As you may know, users can buy anonymous numbers to sign up for a telegram account on the fragment site. This, combined with the "Complete anonymity" mixing mode, will make the mixing process even more secure in terms of anonymity.
p.s.
Of course, there are always risks that scammers can create clones of the official Telegram bot as well as it was with the domain. In this regard, users should certainly be more careful.
I can tell you for sure that it is way more difficult for scammers to clone a telegram mini app than it is for scammers to clone a website, some scammers have tried it with hamster kombat, they tried to clone the mini app, but telegram detected it immediately and blocked the app.Well I am sure using the Telegram bot will make things alot more easier than going the website although not everyone will be free with Telegram bots since their is bad experience with the risk with using Telegram and how easy it is for someone to mistakes a fake bot to mean Thormixer official bots due to the chance that telegram grant them.
I will use the bot in the coming week, to see how it works and what next to lookout for as regards to Thormixer because I realise that the features on Telegram bots are alot more different from that on the website.
The process of BTC mixing through the Thormixer telegram bot looks quite convenient. And I think one of the advantages of mixing through their telegram bot is that this process can be made even more anonymous. As you may know, users can buy anonymous numbers to sign up for a telegram account on the fragment site. This, combined with the "Complete anonymity" mixing mode, will make the mixing process even more secure in terms of anonymity.
p.s.
Of course, there are always risks that scammers can create clones of the official Telegram bot as well as it was with the domain. In this regard, users should certainly be more careful.
I think this is a good option to mix coins using Thormixer. And for others, they might like it and as long as complete anonymity is achieved every will be ok. However, there could be some of us who wanted to used the old way, clearnet or Tor will be our preferred method. Perhaps it was due though to Telegram becoming one messaging apps that crypto users are likely to used as compare to others that made Thormixer or even some gambling platforms as well to go on this route.Some portion of potential customers will probably be interested in using a telegram bot to perform mixer services. But the majority will probably prefer the most reliable option in terms of information security. But today's market is such that a range of options is considered a highlight and can attract new customers who may have been looking for just such an option.
Really, i don't have such indebt knowledge about the security of telegram inbuid app, but since you already said that telegram mini app are highly secured then I won't argue that with you and thanks mate for coming through with that clarifications about the security of telegram inbuild app for mixers.
I can tell you for sure that it is way more difficult for scammers to clone a telegram mini app than it is for scammers to clone a website, some scammers have tried it with hamster kombat, they tried to clone the mini app, but telegram detected it immediately and blocked the app.
So, if I must be honest with you, I can tell you that if indeed thormixer has a telegram mini app that users interested in mixing their bitcoin can use instead of using the main website, then the telegram mini app is much safer to use, than the site, and even more anonymous if one is using telegram with an anonymous phone number.
I can tell you for sure that it is way more difficult for scammers to clone a telegram mini app than it is for scammers to clone a website, some scammers have tried it with hamster kombat, they tried to clone the mini app, but telegram detected it immediately and blocked the app.
So, if I must be honest with you, I can tell you that if indeed thormixer has a telegram mini app that users interested in mixing their bitcoin can use instead of using the main website, then the telegram mini app is much safer to use, than the site, and even more anonymous if one is using telegram with an anonymous phone number.
...Now when it's comes to Thormixer, they won't submit any data to telegram to verify their telegram Bot because mixer services are supposed to be anonymous which they are. So, it does not make any sense to submit data to telegram to get verified.I agree with you about this, Telegram cannot be used for this since it is not under the management of Thormixer, guaranteeing a sort of integrity becomes really difficult also because if I remember correctly, the code of the Telegram servers cannot be seen.
I agree with you about this, Telegram cannot be used for this since it is not under the management of Thormixer, guaranteeing a sort of integrity becomes really difficult also because if I remember correctly, the code of the Telegram servers cannot be seen.
so even if you wanted to it wouldnt be safe
...But Thormixer isn't built exclusively for telegram. So, I want to believe Thormixer won't spend money on that as well. The only way to stay unique is to get verified by Telegram.There are advantages and disadvantages to all this, unfortunately. Certainly not being particularly tied to a platform helps to be independent and remain safe, when instead you do everything exclusively for something you somehow tie yourself to its destiny which could go well but could go wrong. Thormixer does well not to get too tied up.
😂 Lol, first, you don't have to be afraid to disagree with me, this is an open discussion forum and it's absolutely normal for each of us to disagree with each other sometimes, same way it's normal to agree too.I can tell you for sure that it is way more difficult for scammers to clone a telegram mini app than it is for scammers to clone a website, some scammers have tried it with hamster kombat, they tried to clone the mini app, but telegram detected it immediately and blocked the app.
So, if I must be honest with you, I can tell you that if indeed thormixer has a telegram mini app that users interested in mixing their bitcoin can use instead of using the main website, then the telegram mini app is much safer to use, than the site, and even more anonymous if one is using telegram with an anonymous phone number.
I am afraid, I do not agree with you.
Some scammer were not able to copy hamster combat does not really mean they won't be able to copy any other bots. Telegram mini-apps are build on external hosting and then the devs have to create a telegram bot and integrate their website with the bot. The mini-apps are just like browser of that website with some additional features. The website is embaded in telegram. That's it.
The reason scammer were not able to success their scam is, Hamster combat is too viral telegram telegram bot and they have collaborated with Telegram and maybe they are going to launch their token on Ton ecosystem. It's a verified project from Telegram. So, if you see any hasmter combat bot without the verification blue tick, it's a clone.
Now when it's comes to Thormixer, they won't submit any data to telegram to verify their telegram Bot because mixer services are supposed to be anonymous which they are. So, it does not make any sense to submit data to telegram to get verified.
Now when it's comes to Thormixer, they won't submit any data to telegram to verify their telegram Bot because mixer services are supposed to be anonymous which they are. So, it does not make any sense to submit data to telegram to get verified.I think you're right in that aspect, mixers give much priority to anonymity and privacy and thus getting verified on Telegram won't happen for Thormixer.
The reason scammer were not able to success their scam is, Hamster combat is too viral telegram telegram bot and they have collaborated with Telegram and maybe they are going to launch their token on Ton ecosystem. It's a verified project from Telegram. So, if you see any hasmter combat bot without the verification blue tick, it's a clone.
Now when it's comes to Thormixer, they won't submit any data to telegram to verify their telegram Bot because mixer services are supposed to be anonymous which they are. So, it does not make any sense to submit data to telegram to get verified.
😂 Lol, first, you don't have to be afraid to disagree with me, this is an open discussion forum and it's absolutely normal for each of us to disagree with each other sometimes, same way it's normal to agree too.
Anyways, I am not saying you are wrong, I am not arguing all that you have said, as a matter of fact, telegram mini apps is still a very new concept/feature that was only launched recently, we can only be sure about it's level of security after it has ran for maybe 2 to 5 years while hosting alot of successful projects.I am glad that you agree with my point of view. Cloning account, Bot or even a mini-app is not that hard. The problem is, people won't be able to detect which one is the real one and which one is the fake one if there is no verified badge. So, This is the reason I says I always recommend and prefer to use the web version when it comes to using Mixers and exchanges.
..However, there's chance that mixers can use Telegram and make their own mini apps which may be helpful for some users, and that thing doesn't pose any threats to a mixer's anonymity.Let say having an app is very different from giving data to Telegram, if I understand correctly, Telegram apps are in the cloud, so they pass through Telegram and are not from Telegram and among other things you dont even have to do KYC if you think about it carefully
Who uses Telegram Bot to complete the confusion is mostly lazy and does not want deep privacy but enough to hide his balance from his friends and wife.
However, there's chance that mixers can use Telegram and make their own mini apps which may be helpful for some users, and that thing doesn't pose any threats to a mixer's anonymity.
I would be very careful with using Telegram, and the bots on it. I got the impression that it is much harder to recognize a fake telegram bot than to recognize a phishing site.Who uses Telegram Bot to complete the confusion is mostly lazy and does not want deep privacy but enough to hide his balance from his friends and wife.
However, there's chance that mixers can use Telegram and make their own mini apps which may be helpful for some users, and that thing doesn't pose any threats to a mixer's anonymity.
to hide his balance from his friends and wife.Thus, you would have to limit your wife's access to the phone, and such behaviour can cause completely different suspicions. You will be accused of cheating on your wife, when in fact you are just hiding Bitcoin ;D
I would be very careful with using Telegram, and the bots on it. I got the impression that it is much harder to recognize a fake telegram bot than to recognize a phishing site.
Quoteto hide his balance from his friends and wife.Thus, you would have to limit your wife's access to the phone, and such behaviour can cause completely different suspicions. You will be accused of cheating on your wife, when in fact you are just hiding Bitcoin ;D
I would like to ask everyone on this thread whether they have seen mixers with Telegram apps. I have not and I would like to see more Bitcoin mixers coming up with such an initiative. Thormixer might be the first Bitcoin mixer that has mastered the art of multiple platforms for its users. Telegram has been updating itself from being a chat to a complete ecosystem which I think is great. I would like to congratulate the team behind Thormixer for the idea and the UI of the bot they developed.I'll help you a little with this. Thormixer is neither the only nor the first to have a telegram bot as an option. For example, Mixtum also has such a possibility and was launched 5 years earlier.
I'll help you a little with this. Thormixer is neither the only nor the first to have a telegram bot as an option. For example, Mixtum also has such a possibility and was launched 5 years earlier.
In essence, it is not a big deal, considering that all Jambler partners (among others, Thormixer and Mixtum are also J. partners) have such an opportunity.
But let's not deviate too much from the topic.
Thanks for the update as I was not aware that another mixer does have such a Telegram bot for mixing. Still, I think Thormixer is far better on multiple levels as I have tried the Telegram bot.Here you have the most important features of active mixers https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0
It is time for me to come up with a review of the Telegram bot as most reviews here on this thread are about their website.It would be good to see feedback from someone who has used a mixing bot. I guess it's easy and quick to use, but I'm still sceptical about any TG bots.
Haha really Husires because at some point hiding your balance from your wife is kind of bigger laziness because she should have access to your funds and you also to her funds, in case you kiss the world goodbye unexpectedly.Who uses the Telegram Bot to complete the confusion is mostly lazy and does not want deep privacy but enough to hide his balance from his friends and wife.
However, there's chance that mixers can use Telegram and make their own mini apps which may be helpful for some users, and that thing doesn't pose any threats to a mixer's anonymity.
Like I think I have mentioned on one of my comments in the past, the ability to run web apps on telegram is a brand new concept and at the moment, it's hard to determine how high or low (in terms of privacy) using those web apps on telegram offers to users.Haha really Husires because at some point hiding your balance from your wife is kind of bigger laziness because she should have access to your funds and you also to her funds, in case you kiss the world goodbye unexpectedly.Who uses the Telegram Bot to complete the confusion is mostly lazy and does not want deep privacy but enough to hide his balance from his friends and wife.
However, there's chance that mixers can use Telegram and make their own mini apps which may be helpful for some users, and that thing doesn't pose any threats to a mixer's anonymity.
The truth of the matter is that telegaccess hashase gained a lot of popularity among mixer and casino users, which means maybe telegram provides the same level of privacy as the site on Tor browsers also will give.
But on my own personal opinion at the moment, I would say that for those who really care and want maximum privacy, it's better for the them to use the world wide web rather than use the telegram version of the site.I agree with you, at current times it's better to go with the web route instead of going with the Telegram mini app route. Btw, Telegram as also launched some kind of decentralized web domain extension like Xyz.Ton that can be accessed via Telegram app.
Here you have the most important features of active mixers https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0
Yes, that information is very useful to be honest, it's one that comes in very handy for just when one wants to mix some bitcoin but is confused as to not knowing the best mixer to choose/use.Here you have the most important features of active mixers https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0
Thanks for sharing this thread I was searching for it here as I remember there was a similar thread on BTT before the ban. A list of all mixers with all important information is needed for anyone planning to use a mixer. I have now added it to my list of important bookmarks.
But then, it's also very good that almost all the mixers are trying their best to look attractive to prospective customers, through and by offering features that makes them respectively unique from each other, this gives users the ease of choosing which is best for them based on their respective preferences.
But then, it's also very good that almost all the mixers are trying their best to look attractive to prospective customers, through and by offering features that makes them respectively unique from each other, this gives users the ease of choosing which is best for them based on their respective preferences.
Yes, that information is very useful to be honest, it's one that comes in very handy for just when one wants to mix some bitcoin but is confused as to not knowing the best mixer to choose/use.Yes, that's pretty helpful post and can be very helpful for the ones who want to go with a reliable mixer to mix their Bitcoin.
I saw another mixer today that has the same UI like Thormixer. What was different with that mixer is that it gives the user the option to change the language of thier website. I think this a good feature as many people globally are not well versed with English language. I think Thormixer should integrate such a feature on thier platform. What do you guys think?
I haven't seen a site similar to Thormixer yet. However, localization is always a useful feature, even in this age when there are very high quality software translators available. For some people it is more convenient to immediately open a version of the site in a language they understand, for others the availability of their native language may even be a determining factor in choosing a mixer.Yes, a useful but not necessary feature, in the end we all know how to read in English, in case we dont know how to read in English there are some fantastic extensions for the browser that translate everything automatically.
Yes, a useful but not necessary feature, in the end we all know how to read in English, in case we dont know how to read in English there are some fantastic extensions for the browser that translate everything automatically.
I often use them to read sites that are not in English and therefore difficult or to read long texts from English into Italian. More relax for me read in Italian.
Yes, a useful but not necessary feature, in the end we all know how to read in English, in case we dont know how to read in English there are some fantastic extensions for the browser that translate everything automatically.
Yeah bud, I definitely and for sure; get the point very clear, but again, think about this, how about a mixer site having all of this great features, like low fixed or non fixed fees, no special icons and js that could make the site heavy on certain browsers like Tor browser, provide the best in class anonymity and so on, and still, the site manages to look great, I believe that is no a crime or a bad thing right?But then, it's also very good that almost all the mixers are trying their best to look attractive to prospective customers, through and by offering features that makes them respectively unique from each other, this gives users the ease of choosing which is best for them based on their respective preferences.
I don't think it's important to look attractive. It's not a social media platform where people focus on how good-looking it is. It's a service platform and people will use the platform as long as it providers better service than the competitors. If a mixer sets less fixed fees than others and provides the best anonymity, that is enough to attract customers.
Now here is why they should not focus on improving the look. If they focus on improving the look, they will have to use more resources, JS, Icons, and images which will make the website heavy. Since people mostly use Tor to access their websites, it will work slower. Usually Tor browser is a little slower than regular browsers. I guess you got my point.
What Fivestar4everMVP meant to say is the improvements in the site on a general note, which is to say that both the features and other mixing processing shod be kept and the highest priority and for that the Thormixer team should constantly work at improving the service in all phases.But then, it's also very good that almost all the mixers are trying their best to look attractive to prospective customers, through and by offering features that makes them respectively unique from each other, this gives users the ease of choosing which is best for them based on their respective preferences.
I don't think it's important to look attractive. It's not a social media platform where people focus on how good-looking it is. It's a service platform and people will use the platform as long as it providers better service than the competitors. If a mixer sets less fixed fees than others and provides the best anonymity, that is enough to attract customers.
Now here is why they should not focus on improving the look. If they focus on improving the look, they will have to use more resources, JS, Icons, and images which will make the website heavy. Since people mostly use Tor to access their websites, it will work slower. Usually Tor browser is a little slower than regular browsers. I guess you got my point.
....Not everyone uses Chrome or Chromium browsers, those who will be using a mixer will probably use a TOR browser...You are right, I hadnt thought of that. Many use tor in these cases and so actually predicting languages makes sense, since the browser wont do the translation at all. Honestly, I hadnt really thought about it, maybe because I saw Thormixer for testing in a normal browser. But in fact if you want privacy you use Tor.
This may be against what you understood from five-star Comment, if you talk about the website user interface, then I will say that there is no need to work on it, as long as the services are satisfactory to the customers it OK with the look currently.
As you may know, Most russians do not focus on their English skill but that did not stopped them. If you look for the owner list of Online casinos, crypto currency business, exchanges, and some other services, you will notice that most of these owners are russians and some of them are not good in English. Some of their website load russian as default language for their users.
Nothing can stop you on the internet if you know how and what to use. I have used a lot of Russian websites where English version is not available. But we are talking about how good it is to have more language options. Having multiple language options is always nice.
Language literally does not matter when translators are available. Most of the mixers I am aware of are english-only, but some do provide translations of their website into other language to make it easier on that section of the population.I am quite surprised that people from some "big" nations have a problem with understanding the English language. I mean, we are talking about 2024, when technology has advanced quite a bit.
Language literally does not matter when translators are available. Most of the mixers I am aware of are english-only, but some do provide translations of their website into other language to make it easier on that section of the population.
That being said, you'd need some people who is fluent in those languages to continuously keep the translation up to date.
I am quite surprised that people from some "big" nations have a problem with understanding the English language. I mean, we are talking about 2024, when technology has advanced quite a bit.
...That is because they do not require to know English well to get qualified for their Job in their country...
True, words that tell the simple truth about it, but not only that. In some places it is not considered necessary to learn it. For example, I did everything self-taught because the Italian state, in its schools, only recently decided that English is very important. The decision had not been taken seriously before.
You are absolutely correct bud, you get the gist perfectly, in the world of technology, things change rapidly, several things are constantly being replaced for a newer and perhaps, better, faster and more lightweight ones, this may not always be noticed physical by users, but it works in the background to improve the performance of the site/service and as well as give users a much better experience.What Fivestar4everMVP meant to say is the improvements in the site on a general note, which is to say that both the features and other mixing processing shod be kept and the highest priority and for that the Thormixer team should constantly work at improving the service in all phases.But then, it's also very good that almost all the mixers are trying their best to look attractive to prospective customers, through and by offering features that makes them respectively unique from each other, this gives users the ease of choosing which is best for them based on their respective preferences.
I don't think it's important to look attractive. It's not a social media platform where people focus on how good-looking it is. It's a service platform and people will use the platform as long as it providers better service than the competitors. If a mixer sets less fixed fees than others and provides the best anonymity, that is enough to attract customers.
Now here is why they should not focus on improving the look. If they focus on improving the look, they will have to use more resources, JS, Icons, and images which will make the website heavy. Since people mostly use Tor to access their websites, it will work slower. Usually Tor browser is a little slower than regular browsers. I guess you got my point.
This may be against what you understood from five-star Comment, if you talk about the website user interface, then I will say that there is no need to work on it, as long as the services are satisfactory to the customers it OK with the look currently.
...//:::what do you guys think?
It's like cooking differents types of meals which all requite salt, Maggi cubes, and lots of other special ingredients to taste good, using all of this ingredients in their right quantity will make your soup good, but finding a special secret ingredient and adding it in the right quantity to your soup makes the taste of your soup stand out amongst the rest, this ingredient may not be visibly seen in the soup since it must have dissolved into it, but the it's effect is felt in the tongues of this who taste the soup.
So also, with the competition around bitcoin mixers today, every mixer that wishes to stand out must look for that secret ingredient the bitcoin community would love, and implement it into their system.
As a user what I want is a site that works, reliable, and appropriate rates, consequently, if those factors I mentioned before are met, the language is secondary. You know, as with any service, the added factor is always welcome, but in this case, there is a lot of universal jargon in the process that works better in English.
Thormixer allows users to change the language by clicking on the flags in the top right corner of the website. When you click the Russian flag, the instructions will switch to Russian, and clicking the British flag will change it back to English. It seems that the team has researched and found that after English, Russian-speaking users are the next largest group to use a Bitcoin mixer. That might be the reason why they have not added other languages to translate the instructions on their website.
I couldn't find any statistics specifically for the thormixer site. However, this is quite possible due to the fact that this forum is visited by a large number of Russian-speaking audience. As for translation, it's worth noting that the information on the site is translated well, except for the disclaimer section. This section is in English only.
China, The Gambia, Malawi, Colombia, Swaziland, Brazil, Russia, Argentina, Algeria, Uganda, Yemen, Chile and Tanzania
I couldn't find any statistics specifically for the thormixer site. However, this is quite possible due to the fact that this forum is visited by a large number of Russian-speaking audience. As for translation, it's worth noting that the information on the site is translated well, except for the disclaimer section. This section is in English only.In addition to the above, I would like to point out that the Thormixer telegram bot interface has an English-only interface for now. But so the tool is convenient, it is quite laconic, there is nothing superfluous that would distract from the main thing.
The telegram bot is an alternative and convinient means for any one interested in using Thormixer services, but personally, I will still and always recommend that customers use the site for complete anonymity.I couldn't find any statistics specifically for the thormixer site. However, this is quite possible due to the fact that this forum is visited by a large number of Russian-speaking audience. As for translation, it's worth noting that the information on the site is translated well, except for the disclaimer section. This section is in English only.In addition to the above, I would like to point out that the Thormixer telegram bot interface has an English-only interface for now. But so the tool is convenient, it is quite laconic, there is nothing superfluous that would distract from the main thing.
If someone wants to use the Telegram bot, but has problems with the English language, you can use the service DeepL to translate information into your native language.
The telegram bot is an alternative and convinient means for any one interested in using Thormixer services, but personally, I will still and always recommend that customers use the site for complete anonymity.Yes, that's quite right, these days everyone uses Telegram and that Telegram bot of Thormixer can be very convenient for those users. With the help of that bot they can now mix their coins directly from Telegram.
...they can now mix their coins directly from Telegram. ...
The telegram bot is an alternative and convinient means for any one interested in using Thormixer services, but personally, I will still and always recommend that customers use the site for complete anonymity.I couldn't find any statistics specifically for the thormixer site. However, this is quite possible due to the fact that this forum is visited by a large number of Russian-speaking audience. As for translation, it's worth noting that the information on the site is translated well, except for the disclaimer section. This section is in English only.In addition to the above, I would like to point out that the Thormixer telegram bot interface has an English-only interface for now. But so the tool is convenient, it is quite laconic, there is nothing superfluous that would distract from the main thing.
If someone wants to use the Telegram bot, but has problems with the English language, you can use the service DeepL to translate information into your native language.
Telegram bots are possibly hosted on telegram servers, and those working on the backend of this social app possibly have access to every information contained on those servers, which runs down to the users of those bots.
So, I do not find the bot completely recommendable for anyone who takes anonymity as a top priority, such one should use the site rather than use the bot.
Just my personal thoughts and recommendations.
I think majority will agree with you on this one, it's not that we don't trust Telegram, or we really don't. But some of us who have been in the market or using mixers for the last 5 years or so are confident on clear net or their Tor version.
And so with the new hype of Telegram, and as mixers moves on with it, there are still users here who prefer the old and traditional way. Maybe one of this day, I might try to used it just for the heck of experience, IMHO.
I agree before Telegram bots users were using either the Clearnet or the TOR version. It's more of TOR version than a clear net as it is privacy that they were seeking to get. It will not be easy for them to shift to a Telegram bot as no one wants to accept the change or move out of their comfort zone. But, it is another option that the mixer is giving in case if a user wants to mix Bitcoin using a mobile device.
There's always the risk that the telegram bot getting shut down before somebody gets their money back or while the mix is taking place, and unless it's just issuing calls to an API server at the backend, the user's going to lose their coins.
There's always the risk that the telegram bot getting shut down before somebody gets their money back or while the mix is taking place, and unless it's just issuing calls to an API server at the backend, the user's going to lose their coins.
Telegram has started banning users for no reason these days. I have heard that from the forum and a social media group. I know a user who got a scam tag even though he did not try to sell anything or was not involved in any trading. If you hate someone and want to destroy their telegram, you can do this to damage their reputation. Of course, you will need several friends to help you down someone.I have not heard that Telegram bans accounts. Although that is more than necessary. I will be contacted more often by some new friends, who really want to share with me very useful information and a platform where I can earn xxx% a day. I regularly report such accounts, I'm glad if they end up being banned. Also, I'm not sure how everything works, because TG accounts are linked to a mobile number.
I have not heard that Telegram bans accounts. Although that is more than necessary. I will be contacted more often by some new friends, who really want to share with me very useful information and a platform where I can earn xxx% a day. I regularly report such accounts, I'm glad if they end up being banned. Also, I'm not sure how everything works, because TG accounts are linked to a mobile number.
Yeah, telegram do ban accounts, like permanently which means that the user won't be able to ever join telegram again with the same phone number, but hey, this rarely happen though, when people spam you and you report them, what happens mostly is that the reported user(s)'s account will get limited, they won't be able to post or chat in some groups, send personal messages to some people except they first get a personal message from same person, and so on and on..Telegram has started banning users for no reason these days. I have heard that from the forum and a social media group. I know a user who got a scam tag even though he did not try to sell anything or was not involved in any trading. If you hate someone and want to destroy their telegram, you can do this to damage their reputation. Of course, you will need several friends to help you down someone.I have not heard that Telegram bans accounts. Although that is more than necessary. I will be contacted more often by some new friends, who really want to share with me very useful information and a platform where I can earn xxx% a day. I regularly report such accounts, I'm glad if they end up being banned. Also, I'm not sure how everything works, because TG accounts are linked to a mobile number.
Telegram bans or restrictions seem manipulated. I also have a friend who does nothing fishy with his account but he go banned for real. I was actually surprised what has happened. It seems their verification method in some regions is not strong. It could be that if a few people gets your account reported, you could be banned. So, a group of people might decide to launch an attack on your account and you will end up being banned or restricted by TG.Telegram has started banning users for no reason these days. I have heard that from the forum and a social media group. I know a user who got a scam tag even though he did not try to sell anything or was not involved in any trading. If you hate someone and want to destroy their telegram, you can do this to damage their reputation. Of course, you will need several friends to help you down someone.I have not heard that Telegram bans accounts. Although that is more than necessary. I will be contacted more often by some new friends, who really want to share with me very useful information and a platform where I can earn xxx% a day. I regularly report such accounts, I'm glad if they end up being banned. Also, I'm not sure how everything works, because TG accounts are linked to a mobile number.
I have not heard that Telegram bans accounts. Although that is more than necessary. I will be contacted more often by some new friends, who really want to share with me very useful information and a platform where I can earn xxx% a day. I regularly report such accounts, I'm glad if they end up being banned. Also, I'm not sure how everything works, because TG accounts are linked to a mobile number.
I just woke up early morning and saw my Telegram account is logged out for some reason. After the early morning prayer, I tried to log in and saw the account had been banned, and there was no way to contact telegram support.Honestly, your situation is quite specific considering everything that is happening in your country. I would not be surprised if that decision is on another level and is not directed only against you as an individual.
Honestly, your situation is quite specific considering everything that is happening in your country. I would not be surprised if that decision is on another level and is not directed only against you as an individual.
I have made several attempts to use the service Thormixer.io but after clicking "START MIX BITCOINS" I get the error: "Temporarily unavailable due to maintenance. Please try again later".
Well, My telegram account got banned way before the protest started in my country. I don't think the government has any control over telegram because Telegram is a Russian based company. The government tried to discuss with Meta, Tiktok, and Youtube to have some limitations where only TikTok agrees with them. I don't think the government has anything to do with the Telegram account ban. The only thing they can do is block bandwidth for telegram which we can bypass using VPN's. But since the government already changed, all the restrictions from internet are lifted by the new government.
...As the message said, it's temporarily unavailable due to maintenance issues. I am unsure if they have announced this anywhere or not, but it is what it is. Maybe they will announce when their service will come back online, or it's just a short maintenance, which is why they did not announce anything.
...As the message said, it's temporarily unavailable due to maintenance issues. I am unsure if they have announced this anywhere or not, but it is what it is. Maybe they will announce when their service will come back online, or it's just a short maintenance, which is why they did not announce anything.
Usually, such a message about technical work is posted on the first page of the site, which is more convenient for the visitor. In our case, this message appears after you proceed to the mixing process.
I confirm, I'm getting the exact same error notification. In fact, it is a weekend, so perhaps the specialists have not yet restored the full functionality of the service. It is likely that during Monday we will be able to see a correctly working web-application on the mixer's site.Weekend! Are you sure that you believe in this theory? This is a mixer which should be available always for the user. If not then what is the point of having a mixing tool which is not operational. I am assuming some major changes are being done and that is why Thormixer is unavailable for anyone. There is nothing to suggest that weekend leave might be the reason why the mixer is not available.
I confirm, I'm getting the exact same error notification. In fact, it is a weekend, so perhaps the specialists have not yet restored the full functionality of the service. It is likely that during Monday we will be able to see a correctly working web-application on the mixer's site.
Yep, I also get a similar error when trying to start mixing. It's noteworthy that their telegram bot is also not working at the moment, or more precisely, it doesn't respond to any request.I think they might be upgrading their services or servers and that's why it's taking them some time to fix the issues. We should at least wait for 2-4 days to see if things get better or they will remain the same.
That is strange that your account got banned for no reason and it was before the protest started. You can get a new mobile number and then you can again use Telegram. Yeah VPN does the magic if the government bans certain social media handles but only if you are using a good VPN it works otherwise it does not.
... getting the exact same error notification. In fact, it is a weekend, so perhaps the specialists have not yet restored the full functionality of the service...
I have participated in many telegram mini apps, and the telegram bans hurt me a lot. I had millions of tokens on some bots like MemeFi, Wcoin, tap swap and more which I am not getting back.I feel bad for you buddy but I'm happy that you're still optimistic and that's why you created your new Telegram account.
Hello!Thanks for letting us know that the maintenance is over. I confirm that the Thormixer's site and Jambler.io both are working now. I hope others will also confirm that. Such official statement is quite appreciatable. Thanks once again!
Weekend maintenance is over. The web is back online. Thanks for your patience and we apologize for any inconvenience or delay.
I feel bad for you buddy but I'm happy that you're still optimistic and that's why you created your new Telegram account.
I don't know why Telegram bans those users who regularly participate in their mini apps as those people are somehow promoting Telegram awareness to others as well.
Hello!Hi there. Good to see you back. I guess we never had such a weekend maintenance before. But I am glad that you guys picked the weekend for the maintenance.
Weekend maintenance is over. The web is back online. Thanks for your patience and we apologize for any inconvenience or delay.
Hello!Did I remember wrongly, but didn't you have a choice of light/dark mode on the site before?
Weekend maintenance is over. The web is back online. Thanks for your patience and we apologize for any inconvenience or delay.
I guess we never had such a weekend maintenance before. But I am glad that you guys picked the weekend for the maintenance.Weekends are generally the calmest, at least in terms of price fluctuations, and fees... For example, that's why I choose the weekend for any major shifts.
Hello!Thank ThorMixer team for the necessary maintenance to maintain the stability and security of the ThorMixer service for users. I'm also learning how to use ThorMixer, and it seems quite easy to use like many other BTC Mixers. It's great that ThorMixer provides BTC from crypto exchanges, so I can rest assured that I'm accessing the "cleanest" BTC!
Weekend maintenance is over. The web is back online. Thanks for your patience and we apologize for any inconvenience or delay.
Hello!I understand this account joined this forum on January this year (2024) but possibly hasn't been active since then.
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I have sent multiple emails to Telegram, and I haven't heard back from them. Unfortunately, sending an email is the only way to contact Telegram support, and they are the worst at it.I agree, Telegram's support team is the worst we got. I remember when my account was limited without any reason and I was unable to get my message sending functionality back even after requesting for it many times. I hope your this account be safe from that Telegram's so called algo.
I have sent multiple emails to Telegram, and I haven't heard back from them. Unfortunately, sending an email is the only way to contact Telegram support, and they are the worst at it.I agree, Telegram's support team is the worst we got. I remember when my account was limited without any reason and I was unable to get my message sending functionality back even after requesting for it many times. I hope your this account be safe from that Telegram's so called algo.
I'm also learning how to use ThorMixer, and it seems quite easy to use like many other BTC Mixers.Did you say you are learning how to use Thormixer? I beg to say that there's absolutely nothing to learn. Thormixer is the most user friendly mixer I have used. I mean, everything is straightforward and even a total noob can comfortably use the mixer.
Well, you did be surprised how hard or difficult many prospective users did still find Thormixer to be, specially the ones who are kind of new to cryptocurrencies, mixers and so on, a good example of the popular statement "all fingers are not equal", tells you to always know that your level of intelligence isnt exactly the same for several other persons out there, you might find Thormixer very user-friendly, easy to understand and use, but people with low IQ won't see it that same way.I'm also learning how to use ThorMixer, and it seems quite easy to use like many other BTC Mixers.Did you say you are learning how to use Thormixer? I beg to say that there's absolutely nothing to learn. Thormixer is the most user friendly mixer I have used. I mean, everything is straightforward and even a total noob can comfortably use the mixer.
Did you say you are learning how to use Thormixer? I beg to say that there's absolutely nothing to learn. Thormixer is the most user friendly mixer I have used. I mean, everything is straightforward and even a total noob can comfortably use the mixer.Well, I'm quite cautious with every action involving my BTC. I don't want to make any silly mistakes when sending my BTC. I've used many BTC Mixers and have a basic understanding of how they work, but I still want to read reviews and user opinions to make sure I don't misunderstand any features of ThorMixer.
I also read his Thormixer preserves the privacy of her users. With mixing and sending to stock exchanges, I am sure that taint analysis resistance is high but I am not sure of cluster analysis is resisted totally. Multiple bitcoin addresses could be grouped from the stock exchanges were the BTC is sent(well, to different traders). It's ok.
But you can remove such restriction by writing in details to a bot which get reviewed later by a human support member.I actually have two Telegram accounts, one of the account got that limit problem and I send details multiple times to the bot so I may get that ability again but man their support team is quite weak in that department as well.
I actually have two Telegram accounts, one of the account got that limit problem and I send details multiple times to the bot so I may get that ability again but man their support team is quite weak in that department as well.With the popularity of Telegram in the crypto community, the fame of Ton, and the Crypto Wallet feature directly in the app, I hope that the ThorMixer Telegram bot will also become popular and chosen by Telegram users. It would be great if ThorMixer is running a marketing campaign through Telegram ads to turn nearly 1 billion Telegram users into ThorMixer users.
I hope Thormixer users that use Telegram for mixing purpose may not face such issues. Even if they do, they can still go to Thormixer's main site and complete the mixing there without any issues.
A limited telegram account shouldn't in any way, get on or in the way of a user who is using the Thormixer telegram bot for mixing their bitcoin instead of the site, and this is because limitation to a telegram account only is effective in chats, either groups, or private chat (thought I mentioned this on a previous comment I posted here), you lose access to participate in majorly all group chats excluding your own groups, and you also can not send a private message to most people except they contact you first.But you can remove such restriction by writing in details to a bot which get reviewed later by a human support member.I actually have two Telegram accounts, one of the account got that limit problem and I send details multiple times to the bot so I may get that ability again but man their support team is quite weak in that department as well.
I hope Thormixer users that use Telegram for mixing purpose may not face such issues. Even if they do, they can still go to Thormixer's main site and complete the mixing there without any issues.
...I myself have never tried using any BTC Mixer through a Telegram bot, I hope the ThorMixer bot will be friendly and easy to use, even for new users. I often feel reassured when I have full control of everything when using a Mixer on a desktop browser and recheck the BTC receiving address multiple times before clicking the send button ^^
I did not use the telegram bot for mixing, but used the official website thormixer.io After receiving the letter of guarantee, I sent to the generated address of 0.0033 BTC. As indicated in the letter of guarantee, I will receive my coins within 6 hours. It took me less than 5 minutes to complete these actions.Everyone has their own habits. I usually work with a laptop, so I'll use ThorMixer website to mix my BTC when needed, especially before sending BTC to CEXs to sell for USDT/fiat or buy ALTS. Others might use Telegram bots or mobile interfaces to mix BTC, as long as all operations are correct, ThorMixer can provide the best anonymity for users.
I did not use the telegram bot for mixing, but used the official website thormixer.io After receiving the letter of guarantee, I sent to the generated address of 0.0033 BTC. As indicated in the letter of guarantee, I will receive my coins within 6 hours. It took me less than 5 minutes to complete these actions.
A limited telegram account shouldn't in any way, get on or in the way of a user who is using the Thormixer telegram bot for mixing their bitcoin instead of the site, and this is because limitation to a telegram account only is effective in chats, either groups, or private chat (thought I mentioned this on a previous comment I posted here), you lose access to participate in majorly all group chats excluding your own groups, and you also can not send a private message to most people except they contact you first.Yes, a limited Telegram account doesn't in any way makes any hurdle in using of Thormixer's bot but someone who uses Telegram on daily basis will get limited in many ways with a limited Telegram account. Telegram just isn't going to solve that limit issue for some accounts no matter how hard someone tries.
Yes, a limited Telegram account doesn't in any way makes any hurdle in using of Thormixer's bot but someone who uses Telegram on daily basis will get limited in many ways with a limited Telegram account. Telegram just isn't going to solve that limit issue for some accounts no matter how hard someone tries.As far as I know, if a Telegram account is reported by other users or admins of a group, that account will be restricted for a certain period. Unfortunately, I don't know the specific rules of Telegram regarding this matter. I've also encountered this problem but luckily, the restriction was lifted after a few weeks. Currently, I rarely discuss in Telegram groups, I usually just read market news and investors opinions.
Most of the Telegram users prefer to send text in groups that they've joined and with a limited account they can't send text in those groups and that ultimately ruins their Telegram experience. I rarely talk with the people who're in my contact list but I'm quite active on Telegram groups and for someone like me a limited account is no less than a burden in my way. I believe there might be others who may also use Telegram to message on groups.
If the Telegram account is temporarily restricted, users can use many other ways to Mix BTC through ThorMixer, and ThorMixer website is the best choice.It seemed to me that the ways to use the ThorMixer service for its intended purpose are currently two. The first way is to use the form on the site, and the second way is to use a Telegram bot. I couldn't find information about any other ways on the official website.
Well, you did be surprised how hard or difficult many prospective users did still find Thormixer to be, specially the ones who are kind of new to cryptocurrencies, mixers and so on, a good example of the popular statement "all fingers are not equal", tells you to always know that your level of intelligence isnt exactly the same for several other persons out there, you might find Thormixer very user-friendly, easy to understand and use, but people with low IQ won't see it that same way.I quite understand you.
And I guess that is why most platforms try to build a community of user, where users try to help other prospective users who is struggling to find a way to navigate the platform.
That's cool. I applaud your cool headed way of approaching life. It's fine because this industry demands precision and accuracy, a slight mistake could vanish all your BTC.Did you say you are learning how to use Thormixer? I beg to say that there's absolutely nothing to learn. Thormixer is the most user friendly mixer I have used. I mean, everything is straightforward and even a total noob can comfortably use the mixer.Well, I'm quite cautious with every action involving my BTC. I don't want to make any silly mistakes when sending my BTC. I've used many BTC Mixers and have a basic understanding of how they work, but I still want to read reviews and user opinions to make sure I don't misunderstand any features of ThorMixer.
I also read his Thormixer preserves the privacy of her users. With mixing and sending to stock exchanges, I am sure that taint analysis resistance is high but I am not sure of cluster analysis is resisted totally. Multiple bitcoin addresses could be grouped from the stock exchanges were the BTC is sent(well, to different traders). It's ok.
I don't really have a high need for anonymity. I just want to ensure that my CEX accounts will definitely receive "clean" BTC and that they will be safe from accusations or sudden account freezing. I hope that, with BTC sources from CEXs, ThorMixer can become my favorite BTC mixing tool!
As far as I know, if a Telegram account is reported by other users or admins of a group, that account will be restricted for a certain period. Unfortunately, I don't know the specific rules of Telegram regarding this matter. I've also encountered this problem but luckily, the restriction was lifted after a few weeks. Currently, I rarely discuss in Telegram groups, I usually just read market news and investors opinions.
To shorten the discussion about Telegram here. It would be a real shame if the privacy that this service has offered until now is denied, many businesses are quite dependent on Tg, and there will certainly be some changes.....
Regarding the Thor mixer, did I miss something, but was there an option for dark mode on the site before?
To shorten the discussion about Telegram here. It would be a real shame if the privacy that this service has offered until now is denied, many businesses are quite dependent on Tg, and there will certainly be some changes.Yeah, the arrest of Durov by the French government has also caused many users of the ThorMixer Telegram bot to worry. If governments can access users personal data on Telegram, including phone numbers and chat history, then anonymity seems no longer guaranteed. I support the values of anti-censorship and anonymity that Telegram provides to users and also to Mixer bots.
Yeah, the arrest of Durov by the French government has also caused many users of the ThorMixer Telegram bot to worry. If governments can access users personal data on Telegram, including phone numbers and chat history, then anonymity seems no longer guaranteed. I support the values of anti-censorship and anonymity that Telegram provides to users and also to Mixer bots.
Is there a chat app similar to Telegram but operating onchain, completely decentralized, and not threatened by accusations or attacks from governments? Or could Telegram become such a dApp? That would be a reinforcement of the safety of users and Telegram Mixer bots.
Telegram has never been secure in the sense that you could be 100% sure that your data and everything you do there is completely private - I recently saw on BTT that someone is selling an allegedly large Telegram database that includes user numbers.Well, if Telegram doesn't really guarantee the security of user data, should we be worried about using Mixer Telegram bot? Perhaps choosing to use the Mixer website on a browser is safer and more reliable because it doesn't depend on another platform.
Good service you have here, guys! We especially value the anonymity of your service. You make a valid point about the importance of privacy, especially during challenging times when even small platforms monitor transactions. Protecting individual privacy is a fundamental right that shouldn't be compromised!Not just about protecting, but privacy in itself is a fundamental human right, but unfortunately, we live in a world where the government wants to gain control over every single person, they want to monitor to know when you get off bed, when you make love to your wife, when you eat, by what time you left home in the morning and the places you went to all through the day, whom you sent money, how much and what the money was or is meant for, they want to virtually know every single thing about every single person in earth; even how big or small your d**k is 😂.
Well, if Telegram doesn't really guarantee the security of user data, should we be worried about using Mixer Telegram bot? Perhaps choosing to use the Mixer website on a browser is safer and more reliable because it doesn't depend on another platform.
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Certainly, an option worth mentioning is the Simplex chat https://simplex.chat/Is there a chat app similar to Telegram but operating onchain, completely decentralized, and not threatened by accusations or attacks from governments? Or could Telegram become such a dApp? That would be a reinforcement of the safety of users and Telegram Mixer bots.
The only app that I often saw mentioned when looking for an alternative to Telegram was Signal. According to what can be read, that application is much better designed in terms of privacy and security and uses end-to-end encryption for absolutely everything (which is not the case with Telegram) and does not synchronize between devices.
Not just about protecting, but privacy in itself is a fundamental human right, but unfortunately, we live in a world where the government wants to gain control over every single person, they want to monitor to know when you get off bed, when you make love to your wife, when you eat, by what time you left home in the morning and the places you went to all through the day, whom you sent money, how much and what the money was or is meant for, they want to virtually know every single thing about every single person in earth; even how big or small your d**k is 😂.Satoshi was very wise to choose transparency over anonymity for BTC, which has allowed BTC to avoid the problems with governments and CEXs that privacy coins face. And Mixers are the necessary piece to add that anonymity feature, meeting the needs of users who don't want to be tracked through onchain data.
But thank goodness many are ready to fight back, thank goodness for Satoshi nakamoto who seem to have started the idea of decentralization through the invention of bitcoin and blockchain, and thanks to who ever invented the very first bitcoin/cryptocurrency mixer.
Very true and I completely agree with you, for except the internet seize to exist, there will always be innovations that possibly doesn't sit well with the government, but will exist as long as there are people interested in such innovations, the worst the government can do is try to such as many down, but then, the more they shut down, the more new ones are coming up..Not just about protecting, but privacy in itself is a fundamental human right, but unfortunately, we live in a world where the government wants to gain control over every single person, they want to monitor to know when you get off bed, when you make love to your wife, when you eat, by what time you left home in the morning and the places you went to all through the day, whom you sent money, how much and what the money was or is meant for, they want to virtually know every single thing about every single person in earth; even how big or small your d**k is 😂.Satoshi was very wise to choose transparency over anonymity for BTC, which has allowed BTC to avoid the problems with governments and CEXs that privacy coins face. And Mixers are the necessary piece to add that anonymity feature, meeting the needs of users who don't want to be tracked through onchain data.
But thank goodness many are ready to fight back, thank goodness for Satoshi nakamoto who seem to have started the idea of decentralization through the invention of bitcoin and blockchain, and thanks to who ever invented the very first bitcoin/cryptocurrency mixer.
Governments may want to control everything and accuse Mixers, but they won't easily enact such a law due to a lack of effective enforcement tools. Mixers have appeared and will continue to exist until the last day of the crypto market!
A good example is when and after chipmixer was seized and shut down, mixers weren't that much before then, infact, I think it probably wont be up to ten mixers that existed then, but immediately after chipmixer was seized and taken down, mixers started popping up like gambling casinos, though not every one of them are legit, but then, mixers have become more popular than they were in the past before the government took chipmixer down.If I remember correctly, a little over 1,900 Bitcoins were seized during the seizing of CM. Sounds like serious money, maybe that woke up others to try their hand at this business. It seems to be quite a profitable branch of the crypto industry.
If I remember correctly, a little over 1,900 Bitcoins were seized during the seizing of CM. Sounds like serious money, maybe that woke up others to try their hand at this business. It seems to be quite a profitable branch of the crypto industry.
1900 bitcoins at the current price of bitcoin which is $54,300 is approximately $110,960,000, this doesn't sound like serious money, It's serious money bud, with this amount of money in my pocket, I never will know what poverty smells like..A good example is when and after chipmixer was seized and shut down, mixers weren't that much before then, infact, I think it probably wont be up to ten mixers that existed then, but immediately after chipmixer was seized and taken down, mixers started popping up like gambling casinos, though not every one of them are legit, but then, mixers have become more popular than they were in the past before the government took chipmixer down.If I remember correctly, a little over 1,900 Bitcoins were seized during the seizing of CM. Sounds like serious money, maybe that woke up others to try their hand at this business. It seems to be quite a profitable branch of the crypto industry.
It was as if chipmixer monopolized the industry. They were widely trusted and most times fee-less and depended on tippings. Apart from people discovering how lucrative mixing service could be after the exit of chipmixer, many didn't also have the money to compete with the big fish.A good example is when and after chipmixer was seized and shut down, mixers weren't that much before then, infact, I think it probably wont be up to ten mixers that existed then, but immediately after chipmixer was seized and taken down, mixers started popping up like gambling casinos, though not every one of them are legit, but then, mixers have become more popular than they were in the past before the government took chipmixer down.If I remember correctly, a little over 1,900 Bitcoins were seized during the seizing of CM. Sounds like serious money, maybe that woke up others to try their hand at this business. It seems to be quite a profitable branch of the crypto industry.
Very true and I completely agree with you, for except the internet seize to exist, there will always be innovations that possibly doesn't sit well with the government, but will exist as long as there are people interested in such innovations, the worst the government can do is try to such as many down, but then, the more they shut down, the more new ones are coming up..I think these are ill-considered actions by the government as it could cause the situation to develop contrary to the government's initial expectations. The government bans crypto, but it makes crypto more famous because it can be a solution to avoid inflation. The government once punished a Crypto Mixer, but it led to the emergence and popularity of many more Crypto Mixers as investors are interested in anonymity when participating in this market.
A good example is when and after chipmixer was seized and shut down, mixers weren't that much before then, infact, I think it probably wont be up to ten mixers that existed then, but immediately after chipmixer was seized and taken down, mixers started popping up like gambling casinos, though not every one of them are legit, but then, mixers have become more popular than they were in the past before the government took chipmixer down.
It was as if chipmixer monopolized the industry. They were widely trusted and most times fee-less and depended on tippings. Apart from people discovering how lucrative mixing service could be after the exit of chipmixer, many didn't also have the money to compete with the big fish.Chipmixer didn't monopolized anything, they simply had no mandatory fees for using their mixing service (except donations), and it's not so easy to compete with that.
I think the both of you said, or are saying the same thing basically, the difference is in kingsden's misappropriation of the word "monoploze", or should I say misuse.It was as if chipmixer monopolized the industry. They were widely trusted and most times fee-less and depended on tippings. Apart from people discovering how lucrative mixing service could be after the exit of chipmixer, many didn't also have the money to compete with the big fish.Chipmixer didn't monopolized anything, they simply had no mandatory fees for using their mixing service (except donations), and it's not so easy to compete with that.
Other mixers existed even during chipmixer era, and I think there are other decent mixers that are available today.
We both said the same thing here;It was as if chipmixer monopolized the industry. They were widely trusted and most times fee-less and depended on tippings. Apart from people discovering how lucrative mixing service could be after the exit of chipmixer, many didn't also have the money to compete with the big fish.Chipmixer didn't monopolized anything, they simply had no mandatory fees for using their mixing service (except donations), and it's not so easy to compete with that.
Other mixers existed even during chipmixer era, and I think there are other decent mixers that are available today.
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However, after the exit of chipmixer, it seems mixers started having issues than before.
Well now that ChipMixer is gone I would love to see if anyone can create a tool that can have estimate what mixers are currently most used in the world.Such a tool can only be possible to develop in theory, but not possible practically, and this is because when it comes to trying to find out which mixer is mostly used, it is possible to use the number of website visitors on monthly bases, such tool is already available which I believe you already know, but then visiting the site does not translate to using the service the site provides, and when it comes to trying to find out the inflow and outflow of funds in and from mixer wallets, this is impossible because mixers don't make use of one wallet for all users, and by this, I mean they provide different wallet address for different users who want to deposit funds to be mixed, so, it's absolutely impossible to tell which mixers are mostly used except mixers come together to release the usage data to their customers, then and only then can we be able to tell which mixer is the most used of all that currently exist.
I know this is not an easy thing to do, but maybe we can check number of visits, available coins, number of transactions from confirmed addresses, etc.
I don't know how ThorMixer would stand in this rating, but I would love to see something like that.
Truth, when I greeted this industry, I had that false impression that mixers are untouchable, not until chipmixer was bashed. I have just come to the conclusion that all mixers are sinners in the eyes of the government. They come after you anytime.~snip~
However, after the exit of chipmixer, it seems mixers started having issues than before.
Do you mean that more focus from various agencies is directed at them? Maybe there is some truth in that, considering that until then mixers probably had the status of some kind of impenetrability, and when it turned out to be the opposite, it was obvious that there was a fear of who is next.
I think that the ideal way of working for mixers would be for them to try to find a balance between offering their service to everyone, but with a move away from those funds that come from publicly denounced illegal actions, which then cause them to get into trouble.The huge money they make is from these publicly denounced illegal sources. How will they balance this?
The authorities are not so interested in the fact that an individual buys BTC and then sends it to mixers, but that the bad guys launder huge amounts of money from hacking and scams through it.Total privacy doesn't differentiate between these two. A notorious criminal might claim they are just security their privacy. Mixers making more moves to differentiate will at a time contradict the purpose of their existence.
Well now that ChipMixer is gone I would love to see if anyone can create a tool that can have estimate what mixers are currently most used in the world.
I know this is not an easy thing to do, but maybe we can check number of visits, available coins, number of transactions from confirmed addresses, etc.
I don't know how ThorMixer would stand in this rating, but I would love to see something like that.
Wouldn't this be in contradiction with what all mixers promise, complete anonymity and "not saving" data on mixing orders. For there to be any statistics, data would have to be collected. Likewise, if all transactions were recognizable as part of the mixer, then again the very purpose of the mixer service would be useless.Well now that ChipMixer is gone I would love to see if anyone can create a tool that can have estimate what mixers are currently most used in the world.
I know this is not an easy thing to do, but maybe we can check number of visits, available coins, number of transactions from confirmed addresses, etc.
I don't know how ThorMixer would stand in this rating, but I would love to see something like that.
I guess mixers do not release these data in public. Showing the visitor counter is okay. But, I don't think any mixers will disclose the amount they have and the number of mixes they have done.
...But, I don't think any mixers will disclose the amount they have and the number of mixes they have done. Even if they provide the numbers, you never know if it's real or not. Because we need blockchain data to verify and mixers are not going to share the transaction hash due to privacy reasons. ..
I think that the ideal way of working for mixers would be for them to try to find a balance between offering their service to everyone, but with a move away from those funds that come from publicly denounced illegal actions, which then cause them to get into trouble.The huge money they make is from these publicly denounced illegal sources. How will they balance this?
The authorities are not so interested in the fact that an individual buys BTC and then sends it to mixers, but that the bad guys launder huge amounts of money from hacking and scams through it.
Total privacy doesn't differentiate between these two. A notorious criminal might claim they are just security their privacy. Mixers making more moves to differentiate will at a time contradict the purpose of their existence.
Wouldn't this be in contradiction with what all mixers promise, complete anonymity and "not saving" data on mixing orders. For there to be any statistics, data would have to be collected. Likewise, if all transactions were recognizable as part of the mixer, then again the very purpose of the mixer service would be useless.
I guess maybe Jambler could give some info about which of their partners is the most active.
I agree. Most mixers offer no logs and privacy. If mixers do not collect information, they cannot share the stats. Even if they share, I don't think there is any way we can verify their claims without blockchain data. Yes, this will be a contradiction then because they are supposed to provide you privacy and not share any of their data.Mixers may not have user-specific logs, but aggregated statistics can still be calculated regarding average time, BTC cleanliness, or the volume of BTC mixed. Even if this data is shared or published, user anonymity remains unaffected, meaning that Mixers ensure their fundamental values.
As for Jambler, yeah, they could probably share the stats, and I believe they won't take the side of any particular mixer to prove themselves the most active mixer because all of them are Jambler's partners.
when it comes to trying to find out the inflow and outflow of funds in and from mixer wallets, this is impossible because mixers don't make use of one wallet for all usersI know that but in past various services managed to identify main addresses used by different crypto mixers.
I guess mixers do not release these data in public.This would be stupid from them, and without verification it would be based on nothing, only numbers on screen.
Most Mixers have common principles to meet user needs. User choices can be based on speed and transaction fees, or sometimes simply usage habits. ThorMixer also has many loyal users and continues to attract new ones. For example, I am also researching and using ThorMixer as my preferred Mixer when I need to access the cleanest BTC.
This would be stupid from them, and without verification it would be based on nothing, only numbers on screen.
Well, sorry but I see exactly no difference from what you've said and what Learn Bitcoin said in his post or part of his post you quoted above, I personally do not find it necessary to quote a post and then repeat exactly the same thing or make the same point that was made in the quoted post without even trying to add or bring a different perspective to your agreement with the other user's point....But, I don't think any mixers will disclose the amount they have and the number of mixes they have done. Even if they provide the numbers, you never know if it's real or not. Because we need blockchain data to verify and mixers are not going to share the transaction hash due to privacy reasons. ..
Given the fact that a new address is generated for each mixing, no one except the company's employees will be able to know the true number of transactions and the amount of Bitcoins being mixing. And this, among other things, ensures confidentiality.
Well, sorry but I see exactly no difference from what you've said and what Learn Bitcoin said in his post or part of his post you quoted above, I personally do not find it necessary to quote a post and then repeat exactly the same thing or make the same point that was made in the quoted post without even trying to add or bring a different perspective to your agreement with the other user's point...
Well now that ChipMixer is gone I would love to see if anyone can create a tool that can have estimate what mixers are currently most used in the world.
I know this is not an easy thing to do, but maybe we can check number of visits, available coins, number of transactions from confirmed addresses, etc.
I don't know how ThorMixer would stand in this rating, but I would love to see something like that.
Perfectly understood, but you mean to tell me that you've never pointed out a potential wrong doing of a user to the user on this forum or on some other forum else where?Well, sorry but I see exactly no difference from what you've said and what Learn Bitcoin said in his post or part of his post you quoted above, I personally do not find it necessary to quote a post and then repeat exactly the same thing or make the same point that was made in the quoted post without even trying to add or bring a different perspective to your agreement with the other user's point...
Well, if you don't understand the difference between these two posts, you should have just passed it by. I only clarified how, in my opinion, confidentiality is achieved when mixing.
I do not use mixers regularly. But whenever I need to mix my Bitcoins, I check the fees they charge and what type of anonymity they provide. Most of the mixers offer no logs these days and promise to provide maximum privacy. Some mixers even offer zero-fee mixing services (I am not sure if there are any services that provide free services at this moment) and depend on donations. But I believe OG Bitcoiners always prefer Better service no matter what the fees are.Free mixer? I only know a few mixers that offer a trial for users to experience, with the condition that they send an exact amount of BTC to the mixer and only need to pay transaction fee for BTC network. That's part of a marketing campaign and a way to reach new users, it's not a feature because Mixers need revenue to continue existing and serving users.
Determine the mixer true volume of mixed coins would really be a complex work...Sure, I never said we need to know exact numbers and true volume of all mixers, but some estimates would be good to have.
Free mixer? I only know a few mixers that offer a trial for users to experience, with the condition that they send an exact amount of BTC to the mixer and only need to pay transaction fee for BTC network. That's part of a marketing campaign and a way to reach new users, it's not a feature because Mixers need revenue to continue existing and serving users.
I saw another mixer that provided free service, but I cannot remember the domain name. They also ran their signature campaign on the Bitcointalk forum for a while. They had 50K DAI on escrow, but their website was closed at some point without any communication. We can say this was an exit scam.
With the way they came to the forum and deposited into an escrow made everyone believe that they were going to replace chipmixer but all of a sudden people started complaining and they eventually stopped paying people. All those that were affected and made their case known to the community got a refund through the escrow.
...Depending on each person needs, the Mixer fee can be considered expensive or cheap, but as you said, paying a few % for cleaner and more anonymous BTC is actually worth it. I'm willing to pay up to 5% to get clean BTC and the safety of my CEX accounts from the risk of being frozen due to accusations related to dirty BTC ^^
And in my opinion, this is too high a payment for pure Bitcoin. And this is because the team initially sets too high a transaction fee, which exceeds the current one several times. It would be great if the team heard this wish, so that the use of the mixer would also be available not only to holders of large amounts of BTC, but also to small customers.Looking at all the mixers and their service fees, it is obvious that small transactions are not attractive and it is not to mix smaller amounts.
I added a pool in the thread dedicated to all mixers. The idea is to get information about what is most important to users when using a mixer.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215
Yes, you've done a good job) It would be good if the Thormixer team lowered the Network fee to 0.0003 BTC per address, , instead of the current 0.0007 BTC, as we see with Coinomize and Mixero. And in this case, the use of Thormixer would be just as cost-effective for small deposits as for the aforementioned mixers.I'm not sure how realistic it is considering that Thor is Jambler's partner, so I believe that partnership has a lot of influence on the fee. Maybe it's always a lot for us as users when we have to pay a fee, while looking at it from the mixer's side, it doesn't seem like an excessive amount. The fee also helps maintain quality, so Thormixer offers mixed coins with a minimal AML risk score, which partially justifies the defined fee.
...The fee also helps maintain quality, so Thormixer offers mixed coins with a minimal AML risk score, which partially justifies the defined fee...
The fact that Thormixer offers mixed coins with minimal AML risk should affect the Service fees, not the Network fee.It's about quality. Quality is rarely accompanied by low cost.
I'm not sure how realistic it is considering that Thor is Jambler's partner, so I believe that partnership has a lot of influence on the fee. Maybe it's always a lot for us as users when we have to pay a fee, while looking at it from the mixer's side, it doesn't seem like an excessive amount. The fee also helps maintain quality, so Thormixer offers mixed coins with a minimal AML risk score, which partially justifies the defined fee.
I certainly agree that there is room for thinking in the direction of correcting the fixed network fee.
Yes. Some mixers provided free services. All they took was the transaction fees, and donation to their service wasn't mandatory as well. Their entire business was dependent on the donations people made to their service. One of them is Chipmixer, which was in a great position before it got seized. One forum member who handled the campaign slowly faded away because of that incident. I saw another mixer that provided free service, but I cannot remember the domain name. They also ran their signature campaign on the Bitcointalk forum for a while. They had 50K DAI on escrow, but their website was closed at some point without any communication. We can say this was an exit scam.Yeah, transaction fees are not just related to a project financial model but also affect user psychology. Devs build the project and maintain the conditions for mixing to occur at the highest quality. Devs need revenue and profit to be motivated to work. A free service could be suspected as a trap for users, which clearly doesn't benefit anyone.
If you mix a small amount of Bitcoins, for example 0.003 BTC, which is the minimum amount set by Thormixer, then you will end up with 30% less than the value you originally had.That is true, but in reality nobody is going to mix such a small amount of bitcoins, except if they are testing or using Thormixer service for the first time.
That is true, but in reality nobody is going to mix such a small amount of bitcoins, except if they are testing or using Thormixer service for the first time.Well, I agree with you, if someone is going to use the mixer then he/she will go for high amount of Bitcoins then going for that minimum amount.
I think that most mixers using the same provider have exactly the same minimum amount of BTC set, only Mixtum is offering free service for 0,001 BTC.
It's good to hear that Mixtum is offering free service for 0.001 Bitcoin as that's something unique I guess, and the ones who want to mix small amount might consider their service.This is for testing purposes, although there is no limit to how many times you can take the test. And the amount must be exactly 0.001 Btc, only then will the system recognize it as a test and perform a fee-free transaction.
This is for testing purposes, although there is no limit to how many times you can take the test. And the amount must be exactly 0.001 Btc, only then will the system recognize it as a test and perform a fee-free transaction.
It is certainly a great thing and I would encourage other mixers to include a similar option.
I think the quality and reputation of the Mixer is the primary factor that users care about, not the fee to use the Mixer.
This is for testing purposes, although there is no limit to how many times you can take the test. And the amount must be exactly 0.001 Btc, only then will the system recognize it as a test and perform a fee-free transaction.
It is certainly a great thing and I would encourage other mixers to include a similar option.
I don't know if there is any benefit in someone abusing such an option, but for some, even that amount, viewed in fiat values, is probably significant. I wonder if there is some mechanism that would detect and prevent someone from "testing" multiple times from the same wallet?It is not a big deal to change the address/wallet, even now when the fee is 3-4 sat/vB. The value is not excessively high, so it can hardly be misused. And it is certainly not worth dividing a larger amount into many smaller transactions.
I think the quality and reputation of the Mixer is the primary factor that users care about, not the fee to use the Mixer.A user who is trying to mix their bitcoin that came from an illegal source would definitely not look at fees. But a genuine user who is mixing their hard earned BTC just for privacy purposes will definitely pay attention to mixing fee.
Anyone who is going to mix exactly 0.001 BTC every time in order not to pay mixer fee is obviously poor and deserves the free mix.This is for testing purposes, although there is no limit to how many times you can take the test. And the amount must be exactly 0.001 Btc, only then will the system recognize it as a test and perform a fee-free transaction.
I don't know if there is any benefit in someone abusing such an option, but for some, even that amount, viewed in fiat values, is probably significant. I wonder if there is some mechanism that would detect and prevent someone from "testing" multiple times from the same wallet?
This is for testing purposes, although there is no limit to how many times you can take the test. And the amount must be exactly 0.001 Btc, only then will the system recognize it as a test and perform a fee-free transaction.Well, even if it's for testing purpose only but still it's a pretty nice feature that they have on their platform and surely I would also suggest most mixers to consider having a feature similar to that one.
It is certainly a great thing and I would encourage other mixers to include a similar option.
Anyone who is going to mix exactly 0.001 BTC every time in order not to pay mixer fee is obviously poor and deserves the free mix.Oh man, this is such a bad conclusion for so many reasons.
Anyone who is going to mix exactly 0.001 BTC every time in order not to pay mixer fee is obviously poor and deserves the free mix.Oh man, this is such a bad conclusion for so many reasons.
LOL... Financial poverty, mental poverty...Anyone who is going to mix exactly 0.001 BTC every time in order not to pay mixer fee is obviously poor and deserves the free mix.Oh man, this is such a bad conclusion for so many reasons.
You are going to be eating up a lot of transaction fees making several small mixes that are going to negate the advantages you get from the free mix.Maybe Thormixer already considered this before the free test mix implementation.
Anyone who is going to mix exactly 0.001 BTC every time in order not to pay mixer fee is obviously poor and deserves the free mix.:o
The average person is mixing, what, 0.1 BTC or something like that? (According to my referral stats.) So, this approach is basically paying the transaction fee 100s of times as well as the fact that privacy is significantly reduced unless you are using 100 unique destination addresses.If someone want's to save on fees than they should first consolidate coins in their wallets when fees are low, and than send bigger amount to mixer if they want to.
Anyone who is going to mix exactly 0.001 BTC every time in order not to pay mixer fee is obviously poor and deserves the free mix.
Anyone who is going to mix exactly 0.001 BTC every time in order not to pay mixer fee is obviously poor and deserves the free mix.Well, in some scenario you could call someone like that as poor, but I guess that person might be opportunistic as he/she could literally mix his/her coins without paying any fees. Such people might do multiple mixes of 0.001 BTC in order to avoid paying any fees.
Anyone who is going to mix exactly 0.001 BTC every time in order not to pay mixer fee is obviously poor and deserves the free mix.
Or maybe it's a participant in the signature campaign Thormixer, who, having received such an amount as a reward, is trying to maintain his privacy, uses a mixer)
It is very likely that this could be a signature campaign participant, as he may be doing the mixing in order to get to know the advertised service and better understand its specification. And in this case, it is good that there is an opportunity to make a trial attempt without paying a full commission.Well, this depends on ThorMixer policy and I think the #DevelopmentTeam can integrate some more features if they see it as necessary to increase profits in the long run. Currently, we haven't seen this feature, which means it's not a priority or not really necessary for ThorMixer. Anyway, the main task of the devs is to ensure the anonymity and cleanliness of BTC!
Sorry but I might have to disagree with you here, no rich person will have to waste their time and money doing multiple mixes just to avoid paying a small mixing fee, because in the end, the user is only cheating him or herself since he or she will have to spend more money on blockchain transaction fees than he or she would have spent on the mixing service to have his or her bitcoins all mixed at once.Anyone who is going to mix exactly 0.001 BTC every time in order not to pay mixer fee is obviously poor and deserves the free mix.Well, in some scenario you could call someone like that as poor, but I guess that person might be opportunistic as he/she could literally mix his/her coins without paying any fees. Such people might do multiple mixes of 0.001 BTC in order to avoid paying any fees.
Did any of you guys used @thormixer_bot telegram bot and what is your experience with it?As an alternative, the Telegram bot is probably a good solution. Maybe it even offers a bit more privacy than clearnet.
I prefer using Tor browser whenever possible, but it is interesting to have more options.
Maybe good option for using telegram bot is when website is not working for some reason.
As an alternative, the Telegram bot is probably a good solution. Maybe it even offers a bit more privacy than clearnet.
However, I would not leave the matter to a bot relying on a third party when it comes to any transactions or financial matters. Not when it comes to the mixer, but in general.
The messaging app Telegram has said it will hand over users' IP addresses and phone numbers to authorities who have search warrants or other valid legal requests.
The change to its terms of service and privacy policy "should discourage criminals", CEO Pavel Durov said in a Telegram post on Monday.
“While 99.999% of Telegram users have nothing to do with crime, the 0.001% involved in illicit activities create a bad image for the entire platform, putting the interests of our almost billion users at risk,” he continued.
Sorry but I might have to disagree with you here, no rich person will have to waste their time and money doing multiple mixes just to avoid paying a small mixing fee, because in the end, the user is only cheating him or herself since he or she will have to spend more money on blockchain transaction fees than he or she would have spent on the mixing service to have his or her bitcoins all mixed at once.Well, you're right to some extent and I agree with you but there are those rich people who really want to save every penny they can and such people often try their best to avoid taxes or fees whenever it's possible.
I am honestly not doubting what some people are capable of, but disregarding the fact that sat per vbyte is currently low at the moment, which translate to low fees to send and receive bitcoin, I still can not wrap my head around a supposed rich person who possibly have like 2 or 3 bitcoins to mix, but decided to go several rounds of mixing and mixing just 0.001 bitcoin on each round, reason for this being just to avoid paying the needed mixing fees, this is totally absurd and hard to believe, but all the same and again, I am not saying it's not possible.Sorry but I might have to disagree with you here, no rich person will have to waste their time and money doing multiple mixes just to avoid paying a small mixing fee, because in the end, the user is only cheating him or herself since he or she will have to spend more money on blockchain transaction fees than he or she would have spent on the mixing service to have his or her bitcoins all mixed at once.Well, you're right to some extent and I agree with you but there are those rich people who really want to save every penny they can and such people often try their best to avoid taxes or fees whenever it's possible.
The blockchain transaction fees aren't that high and those are mandatory for anyone who wants to have a completed transaction, however if someone can get the option to not pay fee for that amount of Bitcoin mixing then such person will most probably consider that.
Today I read that Telegram still decided to give in to the authorities' requests to share with them the personal data of their users who are found to have done something illegal. Given that mixing is something undesirable or even illegal in the eyes of the authorities, I would not trust Telegram bots when it comes to privacy protection.Yes, the arrest of Pavel Durov, CEO of Telegram, was probably crucial for such a change. With this, Telegram significantly loses its important role in the crypto world.
It has become completely pointless to use Telegram to mix coins.
Your current statement contradicts your previous statement, which suggests that Telegram may provide more privacy than Clearnet. Is this due to recent developments? I also did not know about the recent changes in their TOS. I just saw the quote by Lucius. Even though they say 99.999% of telegram users have nothing to do with that, I feel like this is the door for the authorities to look for the IP and phone numbers of anyone who uses telegram.Just a day later after my first statement, they changed their conditions, which directly affected the level of anonymity on this network. This is a significant change that will certainly have an impact on many services from the crypto sphere. Not only mixers are affected by this, but many trading options, gambling etc...
Just a day later after my first statement, they changed their conditions, which directly affected the level of anonymity on this network. This is a significant change that will certainly have an impact on many services from the crypto sphere. Not only mixers are affected by this, but many trading options, gambling etc...
Your current statement contradicts your previous statement, which suggests that Telegram may provide more privacy than Clearnet. Is this due to recent developments? I also did not know about the recent changes in their TOS. I just saw the quote by Lucius. Even though they say 99.999% of telegram users have nothing to do with that, I feel like this is the door for the authorities to look for the IP and phone numbers of anyone who uses telegram.Just a day later after my first statement, they changed their conditions, which directly affected the level of anonymity on this network. This is a significant change that will certainly have an impact on many services from the crypto sphere. Not only mixers are affected by this, but many trading options, gambling etc...
Make sense. Now, the mixers won't dare have an official account, channel, or group on Telegram because Telegram has their phone numbers, and the government will force Telegram to share them. As we all know, The government is always on a mission to hunt Mixer services, and now the mixer account representative will be in danger. I am not sure if they are aware of the recent change of Telegram TOS or not. At least the mixers should delete their telegram account ASAP. Most governments aren't crypto-friendly. I am not sure if Telegram is going to cooperate with all the country's authorities or if it's just for some specific region.
Yes to this but this is only if the user or person mixing the bitcoins doesn't own and makes use of a telegram anonymous number together with a good VPN service, username doesn't really matter since anyone can choose a different one at any given time.Today I read that Telegram still decided to give in to the authorities' requests to share with them the personal data of their users who are found to have done something illegal. Given that mixing is something undesirable or even illegal in the eyes of the authorities, I would not trust Telegram bots when it comes to privacy protection.Yes, the arrest of Pavel Durov, CEO of Telegram, was probably crucial for such a change. With this, Telegram significantly loses its important role in the crypto world.
It has become completely pointless to use Telegram to mix coins.
So, first, let's assume that telegram actually can have access to users interactions or activities on the app, like they can tell what a user is doing or did per time on the app, then the solution to enjoy complete anonymity is to buy a telegram anonymous number, and use VPN at all times to access the app, with this, one can mixed bitcoins using the Thormixer telegram app without fear of being monitored.The solution is not to use Telegram where you want privacy.
As an alternative, the Telegram bot is probably a good solution. Maybe it even offers a bit more privacy than clearnet.There is NO privacy with telegram at all.
However, I would not leave the matter to a bot relying on a third party when it comes to any transactions or financial matters. Not when it comes to the mixer, but in general.
So, first, let's assume that telegram actually can have access to users interactions or activities on the app, like they can tell what a user is doing or did per time on the app, then the solution to enjoy complete anonymity is to buy a telegram anonymous number, and use VPN at all times to access the app, with this, one can mixed bitcoins using the Thormixer telegram app without fear of being monitored.You don't have to assume anything.
If you are someone who has an mixer, then we can assume that you know how important it is to protect your privacy - and that means that you will certainly not use a mobile number that is in any way connected to your identity, as well as that you will not use Telegram without a VPN. I hope that all owners of mixer have created their Telegram accounts in exactly this way.
But if I own a mixer with such a feature, I will limit the free mixing to 2 or 3 times per address as a way to discourage people from misusing or abusing such feature.That's going to be a smart move I guess, but who knows if they also might limit the number of mixes for each address. I haven't used it yet but those who mix at the site might know better if there are any such limitations or not. However, I guess whatever you said if fully true and it's highly needed to have such limits so people might not take advantage of it.
If you are creating or buying a telegram account with a virtual phone number, then you are doing that at your own peril or risk. Telegram has their own anonymous number service which can be bought from fragment, there is absolutely no way telegram will sell to you an anonymous phone number that only works on telegram, and you use the same number to sign up on telegram, and then telegram will turn and ban the account, it's not possible, who are give this information is giving the wrong information.If you are someone who has an mixer, then we can assume that you know how important it is to protect your privacy - and that means that you will certainly not use a mobile number that is in any way connected to your identity, as well as that you will not use Telegram without a VPN. I hope that all owners of mixer have created their Telegram accounts in exactly this way.
Let's assume they all created their account with a virtual phone number, and they are using proxies or VPNs when they use Telegram. But I heard that lately, telegram started detecting virtual phone numbers and deleting telegram accounts. Also, if you are in US and created an telegram account with a UK phone number, your account is likely to get banned in 24 hours.
I heard all that from a group of people who regularly create accounts with virtual phone numbers and sell those accounts to airdrop hunters. I know one guy who do these things and now his business is off because of recent developments. So, I assume Telegram is getting strict everyday.
If you are creating or buying a telegram account with a virtual phone number, then you are doing that at your own peril or risk. Telegram has their own anonymous number service which can be bought from fragment, there is absolutely no way telegram will sell to you an anonymous phone number that only works on telegram, and you use the same number to sign up on telegram, and then telegram will turn and ban the account, it's not possible, who are give this information is giving the wrong information.It seems we've veered off-topic from ThorMixer, although we're still discussing user privacy on Telegram and within the crypto market. We haven't received any specific announcements from Mixers regarding Telegram bots, which could be a vulnerability in the Mixers business model. We may soon see the end of Telegram bot-based Mixers.
Two of my friends are currently own/using telegram account they registered with an anonymous phone number which they bought from telegram through fragment, there haven't been any issue of ban whatsoever since the accounts were created over three to four years ago.
We still have the onion Thormixer site, which certainly offers more anonymity.
Telegram is no longer a safe haven for us all, including Mixers and their users. I hope ThorMixer will soon introduce alternative solutions and utilize a more private platform, operated on a blockchain, to serve users anonymity needs.
A rich man values his time. He wants to mix BTC worth $10k and above, then he will keep sending 0.001 BTC in order to avoid paying mixers fees. Calculate how many times they will have to mix at 0.001 and completely mix $10k. It is totally insignificant and not worthy to be tried. It is what it is called - for testing. You test how fast you recieved your BTC and how clean the recieved BTC is, then if you trust the service, you make your major mix.Anyone who is going to mix exactly 0.001 BTC every time in order not to pay mixer fee is obviously poor and deserves the free mix.Well, in some scenario you could call someone like that as poor, but I guess that person might be opportunistic as he/she could literally mix his/her coins without paying any fees. Such people might do multiple mixes of 0.001 BTC in order to avoid paying any fees.
If you are creating or buying a telegram account with a virtual phone number, then you are doing that at your own peril or risk. Telegram has their own anonymous number service which can be bought from fragment, there is absolutely no way telegram will sell to you an anonymous phone number that only works on telegram, and you use the same number to sign up on telegram, and then telegram will turn and ban the account, it's not possible, who are give this information is giving the wrong information.It seems we've veered off-topic from ThorMixer, although we're still discussing user privacy on Telegram and within the crypto market. We haven't received any specific announcements from Mixers regarding Telegram bots, which could be a vulnerability in the Mixers business model. We may soon see the end of Telegram bot-based Mixers.
Two of my friends are currently own/using telegram account they registered with an anonymous phone number which they bought from telegram through fragment, there haven't been any issue of ban whatsoever since the accounts were created over three to four years ago.
Telegram bot was only an alternative to the main mixing site, so, if paradventure, telegram is no longer private enough to support mixing apps, we can all fall back to making use of the mixing site, after all, there are several mixers out there that don't even have a telegram channel not to talk of mixing bot, and they are doing just fine.
Telegram is no longer a safe haven for us all, including Mixers and their users. I hope ThorMixer will soon introduce alternative solutions and utilize a more private platform, operated on a blockchain, to serve users anonymity needs.
Two of my friends are currently own/using telegram account they registered with an anonymous phone number which they bought from telegram through fragment, there haven't been any issue of ban whatsoever since the accounts were created over three to four years ago.
Well, I really dont know and I am not trying to downplay you here, but sincerely speaking, I am a very active user of Telegram since 2017, I have like 5 telegram accounts, that of my wife which I am still the one mostly using it makes it six, none of this accounts have ever been banned, the most common penalty or punishment for violenting rules on telegram is restriction from chat, they can restrict you from chatting, sometimes up to 3 months long depending on how frequent other users report your account.Two of my friends are currently own/using telegram account they registered with an anonymous phone number which they bought from telegram through fragment, there haven't been any issue of ban whatsoever since the accounts were created over three to four years ago.
I guess Fragment is the only exception at this moment. You should know that not everybody uses fragment numbers since they are not too cheap. I saw the price today, and it starts at $12, and only two numbers are available for $12. The next one is $60, which I consider too expensive, while you can buy a real SIM card for $5.
I did not verify their claims that accounts created with virtual numbers are getting banned, but I believe that because I tried to create one and did not receive an OTP from Telegram. My Telegram account was banned two months ago without knowing what rules I had violated, and I assume I was banned without any reason.
Telegram no longer offers a high level of privacy (if in fact it once did), but I believe that an alternative will appear over time. I haven't used SimpleX much, I don't know how easily digestible it is, but it certainly has potential.SimpleX is great and much more secure than telegram.
Let's assume they all created their account with a virtual phone number, and they are using proxies or VPNs when they use Telegram. But I heard that lately, telegram started detecting virtual phone numbers and deleting telegram accounts. Also, if you are in US and created an telegram account with a UK phone number, your account is likely to get banned in 24 hours.
Telegram is no longer a safe haven for us all, including Mixers and their users. I hope ThorMixer will soon introduce alternative solutions and utilize a more private platform, operated on a blockchain, to serve users anonymity needs.
SimpleX is great and much more secure than telegram.I made an account there, it is quite friendly.
It takes some time getting used to it, so I suggest creating account there to see how it works.
I would suggest Thormixer to create official support contact on SimpleX, it should be faster and more private than forum or email.
Well, sorry but I do not think we have (as you said) veered off topic from Thormixer, because first, the question should be, why are we talking or discussing about telegram and privacy here?, and the answer is because Thormixer has a mixing bot on telegram which simply means that whatever affects telegram and it's privacy also affects Thormixer, and its not off-topic to discuss about in a Thormixer thread.Well, for now, if Telegram is no longer truly safe for ThorMixer users, it's best that users stop mixing BTC through the Telegram bot. This can protect us from identity-related risks in case Telegram receives a request to provide user information to law enforcement.
Telegram bot was only an alternative to the main mixing site, so, if paradventure, telegram is no longer private enough to support mixing apps, we can all fall back to making use of the mixing site, after all, there are several mixers out there that don't even have a telegram channel not to talk of mixing bot, and they are doing just fine.
I made an account there, it is quite friendly.I don't know about that, but I know that you can create groups, for example Thormixer owners could create Thormixer group for conversation between users, or we could have AltcoinsTalks group.
What interests me is whether Simplex is also an open platform for developers and the creation of various bots and plugins. For example, it would be ideal in the case of a service like Thormixer for the mixing application to switch from Tg to Simplex
You are right, and I honestly agree with you completely, but then and again, the Thormixer team have not really said anything concerning the latest developments with telegram terms and conditions, I don't know, but I just personally believe that they (the Thormixer team) are the ones in the best position to tell us (their users) whether to continue to stop mixing bitcoin through the telegram bot, or better still, deactivate and delete the bot if it's no longer safe to mix through the bot on telegram, since the they (the Thormixer team) are the ones who built the telegram bot.Well, sorry but I do not think we have (as you said) veered off topic from Thormixer, because first, the question should be, why are we talking or discussing about telegram and privacy here?, and the answer is because Thormixer has a mixing bot on telegram which simply means that whatever affects telegram and it's privacy also affects Thormixer, and its not off-topic to discuss about in a Thormixer thread.Well, for now, if Telegram is no longer truly safe for ThorMixer users, it's best that users stop mixing BTC through the Telegram bot. This can protect us from identity-related risks in case Telegram receives a request to provide user information to law enforcement.
Telegram bot was only an alternative to the main mixing site, so, if paradventure, telegram is no longer private enough to support mixing apps, we can all fall back to making use of the mixing site, after all, there are several mixers out there that don't even have a telegram channel not to talk of mixing bot, and they are doing just fine.
Personally, I've always preferred using the ThorMixer website, it provides full information, and I can easily double-check the receiving address multiple times before transferring my BTC. As for the Telegram bot - I think it's time we seriously evaluate its convenience versus the associated risks. Sometimes, using Telegram means opening a door for governments to have evidence to accuse us in the future.
A rich man values his time. He wants to mix BTC worth $10k and above, then he will keep sending 0.001 BTC in order to avoid paying mixers fees. Calculate how many times they will have to mix at 0.001 and completely mix $10k. It is totally insignificant and not worthy to be tried. It is what it is called - for testing. You test how fast you recieved your BTC and how clean the recieved BTC is, then if you trust the service, you make your major mix.Well, there are two types of rich men, one type who values their time while the other type who value saving of each penny. So in that case the type two rich men will always value saving over time and such type of people can do mixing of that 0.001 multiple times without any issue. Surely, the mixer has introduced that feature for testing purpose but there are always those type of people who may take advantage of it. Let's end it here because otherwise this off-topic thing will continue here.
Well, for now, if Telegram is no longer truly safe for ThorMixer users, it's best that users stop mixing BTC through the Telegram bot. This can protect us from identity-related risks in case Telegram receives a request to provide user information to law enforcement.
Personally, I've always preferred using the ThorMixer website, it provides full information, and I can easily double-check the receiving address multiple times before transferring my BTC. As for the Telegram bot - I think it's time we seriously evaluate its convenience versus the associated risks. Sometimes, using Telegram means opening a door for governments to have evidence to accuse us in the future.
Sorry, we are not ending this until I state my own opinion as well, and besides, this is not off topic as long as it has something to do with Thormixer, as well as mixers in general.A rich man values his time. He wants to mix BTC worth $10k and above, then he will keep sending 0.001 BTC in order to avoid paying mixers fees. Calculate how many times they will have to mix at 0.001 and completely mix $10k. It is totally insignificant and not worthy to be tried. It is what it is called - for testing. You test how fast you recieved your BTC and how clean the recieved BTC is, then if you trust the service, you make your major mix.Well, there are two types of rich men, one type who values their time while the other type who value saving of each penny. So in that case the type two rich men will always value saving over time and such type of people can do mixing of that 0.001 multiple times without any issue. Surely, the mixer has introduced that feature for testing purpose but there are always those type of people who may take advantage of it. Let's end it here because otherwise this off-topic thing will continue here.
Let me categorically tell you again that, its only a foolish rich man who will because he values savings, prefer to mix 0.001 bitcoin when that is not the only bitcoin he or she have to mix, imagine let's say there is a total of 10 bitcoins to mix, and the greedy and foolish rich man in his greed not to pay the associated mixing fee, decide to take the free option which is mixing 0.001 bitcoin per round, how many rounds do you think it will take before he is able to mix the entire 10 bitcoins?It's incredible that this is still being discussed.
How much money do you think he would have spent on blockchain transaction fees? This amount possibly would be more than enough to use to pay the fee for mixing the 10 bitcoins at ones, and he automatically will save both time and money, but....
I registered using a local number and changed it to a UK VOIP a few years later and I never experienced any problems with that.
I was reported (and jailed) by bots though - the whole 'I'm afraid some users found your messages annoying and forwarded it to moderators, who agreed on it" excuse is a load of BS. The whole process is almost instant now.
How much will the further transfer of that 1 BTC cost later...Indeed, a good question. Moreover, when someone is going to do a thousand transactions to mix their Bitcoin for free, they are going to spend transaction fees a thousand times.
You are right, and I honestly agree with you completely, but then and again, the Thormixer team have not really said anything concerning the latest developments with telegram terms and conditions, I don't know, but I just personally believe that they (the Thormixer team) are the ones in the best position to tell us (their users) whether to continue to stop mixing bitcoin through the telegram bot, or better still, deactivate and delete the bot if it's no longer safe to mix through the bot on telegram, since the they (the Thormixer team) are the ones who built the telegram bot.We definitely need a security audit on the Telegram bots used for crypto mixers. If the data processed by these bots can be exploited and compromise user anonymity, ThorMixer should issue an official announcement advising users to consider alternative solutions such as using ThorMixer website.
I don't know about any other person here, but I personally feel that for Thormixer team to have kept quiet all this while, and even allow the telegram bot to keep functioning normally for those that wish to use it, it kind of means that it's still safe to mix through the bot - this is just an assumption and not a conclusion.
How much money do you think he would have spent on blockchain transaction fees? This amount possibly would be more than enough to use to pay the fee for mixing the 10 bitcoins at ones, and he automatically will save both time and money, but....You are really getting ridiculous with this example ::)
However, users who value their privacy should evaluate the situation and temporarily avoid using the Telegram bot until we have expert technical advice regarding Telegram bot security.
Yeah, telegram is very far, the only reason why I believe we are having this discussion as it relates to telegram is because our dear Thormixer have a telegram mini app used as a secondary avenue for mixing bitcoin for any party or client interested in using that such.However, users who value their privacy should evaluate the situation and temporarily avoid using the Telegram bot until we have expert technical advice regarding Telegram bot security.
I am not sure that this is a temporary situation. In fact, if such problems are already arising, if the privacy of users is being questioned, then it is unlikely that this situation will improve for the better. Moreover, there will always be doubts about whether privacy has really become more important, and whether it is really being ensured. I think that we just need to break the connection between services focused on privacy and anonymity and Telegram. Moreover, Telegram is far from the only way to use mixers.
So, like another user did said above, the Thormixer website is still very convenient enough for any one user or potential user who wished to utilize this service, if one can access telegram, he or she can access the site too, so, let's advice users to prioritize using the site rather than the telegram bot, maybe until the Thormixer team assures us all that there aren't any privacy issues with using the bot If one likes.
Yeah, telegram is very far, the only reason why I believe we are having this discussion as it relates to telegram is because our dear Thormixer have a telegram mini app used as a secondary avenue for mixing bitcoin for any party or client interested in using that such.However, users who value their privacy should evaluate the situation and temporarily avoid using the Telegram bot until we have expert technical advice regarding Telegram bot security.
I am not sure that this is a temporary situation. In fact, if such problems are already arising, if the privacy of users is being questioned, then it is unlikely that this situation will improve for the better. Moreover, there will always be doubts about whether privacy has really become more important, and whether it is really being ensured. I think that we just need to break the connection between services focused on privacy and anonymity and Telegram. Moreover, Telegram is far from the only way to use mixers.
Otherwise, there isn't any good reason to bring telegram and her privacy issues into our discussion here, as we all know that telegram is a social platform, though it seems that crypto users have taken it over and turned it into a crypto based or focused social platform, but in reality, telegram is still like any other social platform out there, users privacy have always been the major concern with all social platforms.
So, like another user did said above, the Thormixer website is still very convenient enough for any one user or potential user who wished to utilize this service, if one can access telegram, he or she can access the site too, so, let's advice users to prioritize using the site rather than the telegram bot, maybe until the Thormixer team assures us all that there aren't any privacy issues with using the bot If one likes.
I just don't understand at all how, for example, a new user would want to use the Telegram bot at the first place. Even in order to find out about its existence, you need to read about it, and you will not find a better source for this than the official website. And if the user visits the site and sees that mixing process can be done on the site itself, what reasons does he find to use the Telegram bot?
And if I am not mistaken, Thormixer is the first and still the only mixer that have a telegram bot that can be used to mix bitcoins Alternatively to their website, am I right on this please?I think you aren't mistaken as I've also noticed that Thormixer is the only mixer that has a telegram bot which users can use to mix their Bitcoin without directly visiting the site of Thormixer. Most mixers will never offer such bot and there are those privacy enthusiasts who may also avoid Telegram bots due to low privacy. However, it's really a good feature for the users who use Telegram because they can easily mix their Bitcoin even by staying at their Telegram.
I think you aren't mistaken as I've also noticed that Thormixer is the only mixer that has a telegram bot which users can use to mix their Bitcoin without directly visiting the site of Thormixer. Most mixers will never offer such bot and there are those privacy enthusiasts who may also avoid Telegram bots due to low privacy. However, it's really a good feature for the users who use Telegram because they can easily mix their Bitcoin even by staying at their Telegram.
This is simply not true, do not write unverified information.And if I am not mistaken, Thormixer is the first and still the only mixer that have a telegram bot that can be used to mix bitcoins Alternatively to their website, am I right on this please?I think you aren't mistaken as I've also noticed that Thormixer is the only mixer that has a telegram bot which users can use to mix their Bitcoin without directly visiting the site of Thormixer.
Can any of you please confirm if their Telegram bot is still operational or if it was disabled or not? I don't want to use their Telegram bot, but if any of you have already used it or checked it in the last couple of days, please let me know. I guess, if we care about privacy, we should let the Thormixer know about the recent changes on Telegram TOS.The Thormixer telegram bot is still operational. You can check it very easily by verifying the letter of guarantee.
And if I am not mistaken, Thormixer is the first and still the only mixer that have a telegram bot that can be used to mix bitcoins Alternatively to their website, am I right on this please?I saw other mixer services using telegram bots so I don't think Thromixer is the only mixer, but I am not sure who was the first to use it.
The Thormixer telegram bot is still operational. You can check it very easily by verifying the letter of guarantee.
With the new rules approved by Telegram, things have certainly changed, but I believe that there are still those who do not insist on such a level of anonymity and still use the Tg bot.
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However, the Bitcoin mixer is something the government does not like at all for obvious reasons. I am unsure if Thormixer knows about the recent changes, but it is okay if they want to keep their bot operational. I will avoid that.
This is simply not true, do not write unverified information.Thanks for explaining in detail but personally I haven't seen Telegram bot on other mixers and that's why I said that thing. I've seen it on Thormixer only and that's why I said that in my post. Now, it's clear that the bot is part of Jambler's offer for their partners and surely Thormixer is one of those partners, and hopefully if I'm not wrong then it's available on Thormixer only but if it's available on other mixers then please share it as it might be helpful information.
Telegram bot is part of the offer of Jambler's partners and most of them have it as an option in their offer.
Well, I too fall in the same category as you, I've known Thormixer to be the only mixer with a mixing bot on telegram, but since I wasn't so very sure, I had to make my statement appear like it's a question.This is simply not true, do not write unverified information.Thanks for explaining in detail but personally I haven't seen Telegram bot on other mixers and that's why I said that thing. I've seen it on Thormixer only and that's why I said that in my post. Now, it's clear that the bot is part of Jambler's offer for their partners and surely Thormixer is one of those partners, and hopefully if I'm not wrong then it's available on Thormixer only but if it's available on other mixers then please share it as it might be helpful information.
Telegram bot is part of the offer of Jambler's partners and most of them have it as an option in their offer.
And if I am not mistaken, Thormixer is the first and still the only mixer that have a telegram bot that can be used to mix bitcoins Alternatively to their website, am I right on this please?
Is there any reason why thormixer isn't in the list of jambler partners? As it uses jambler platform . I found some services there but not thormixerThey don't have all their partner mixer services listed on website.
Maybe they are showing optionally only services that agreed to be listed on Jambler website.
Isn't it good for the mixer? This should add extra credibility for the mixer , using a reliable service to take care of the mixing.Honestly it doesn't make much of a difference for most people, including me.
Isn't it good for the mixer? This should add extra credibility for the mixer , using a reliable service to take care of the mixing.I guess, it's good for the mixer but I believe Thormixer don't want to state their links with Jambler and wants to perform their operations as an independent mixing platform. I believe they've already got enough good users who use their platform and that's why including any relations with Jambler isn't a priority for them.
Isn't it good for the mixer? This should add extra credibility for the mixer , using a reliable service to take care of the mixing.I guess, it's good for the mixer but I believe Thormixer don't want to state their links with Jambler and wants to perform their operations as an independent mixing platform. I believe they've already got enough good users who use their platform and that's why including any relations with Jambler isn't a priority for them.
And thinking from the other angle, we can all agree that the mixing business In crypto today have become a very competitive one, and a mixer publicly associating itself with a bigger mixing platform, could also lead to the mixer losing some of her clients to bigger mixing platform they associated with.Isn't it good for the mixer? This should add extra credibility for the mixer , using a reliable service to take care of the mixing.I guess, it's good for the mixer but I believe Thormixer don't want to state their links with Jambler and wants to perform their operations as an independent mixing platform. I believe they've already got enough good users who use their platform and that's why including any relations with Jambler isn't a priority for them.
, there is no need for Thormixer to put jambler forward as that could mean promoting jambler to her(Thormixer) clients when she(Thormixer) is still looking for more clients.
Just my thought, could be wrong.
If I remember correctly, on Btt where Jambler had a representative, I asked a similar question and the answer was that there are mixers that are not listed as partners on the Jambler page, although they are. This is at their mixers request and they want to appear as independent as possible., there is no need for Thormixer to put jambler forward as that could mean promoting jambler to her(Thormixer) clients when she(Thormixer) is still looking for more clients.
Just my thought, could be wrong.
This is about listing thormixer in jambler website as a partner. I am talking about adding a link to Thormixer, this would never mean Thormixer to put jambler forward in any way
If I remember correctly, on Btt where Jambler had a representative, I asked a similar question and the answer was that there are mixers that are not listed as partners on the Jambler page, although they are. This is at their mixers request and they want to appear as independent as possible.
Isn't it good for the mixer? This should add extra credibility for the mixer , using a reliable service to take care of the mixing.I guess, it's good for the mixer but I believe Thormixer don't want to state their links with Jambler and wants to perform their operations as an independent mixing platform. I believe they've already got enough good users who use their platform and that's why including any relations with Jambler isn't a priority for them.
Whereas if a mixer website goes down, it's not much of a big deal, but if the hydra goes down, it's game over for mixing. We lose almost all the mixers on BitMixList.org.Why would you say that?
They are trying to crack down everything but I dont think mixers will be gone any time soon, maybe they change how they operate.Maybe where the whole idea of exchanger will materialize. I know that in few years time, mixers will have a new way to operate. But I think such new ways are not without concerns. It's just simple;
QuoteThey are trying to crack down everything but I dont think mixers will be gone any time soon, maybe they change how they operate.Maybe where the whole idea of exchanger will materialize. I know that in few years time, mixers will have a new way to operate. But I think such new ways are not without concerns. It's just simple;
It's either the mixer betrays, and give out our data to the government or the government keeps clamping on them. Mixers will not be gone any soon I so believe.
Mixers will not be gone any soon I so believe.
Well, I don't really know or not so sure, but I honestly don't consider Unijoin and Tumbler long standing mixers since non of this mixers lasted or operated for a year or more.If I remember correctly, on Btt where Jambler had a representative, I asked a similar question and the answer was that there are mixers that are not listed as partners on the Jambler page, although they are. This is at their mixers request and they want to appear as independent as possible.
And also if the mixer is too small to be noticed by Jambler but still processes say a few orders per day, then it's not going to be on the list, but then again it will be harder to trust a new mixer without any track record lest it just disappear overnight (see what happened to Frogmixer, Royalmix) and even long-standing mixers are not immune to just vanishing (Unijoin, Tumbler).
Well, I don't really know or not so sure, but I honestly don't consider Unijoin and Tumbler long standing mixers since non of this mixers lasted or operated for a year or more.Both mentioned mixers invested a lot of money in the development and promotion of the platform, certainly, they were considered reliable. Although they did not announce the reasons for exiting the market, we all assume why it happened. I'm pretty sure if there weren't certain 'SEC' events some of them would still be operational.
I knew Unijoin had a signature campaign running on the other forum before the ban, while tumbler just finished their round one and two review campaigns and was preparing to launch their signature campaign before the ban on mixers, both of this mixers didn't operate for up to a year before their disappearance.
Obviously, the fact that mixers like Thormixer are still active is an additional confirmation of their reliability.That's true without any doubt, Thormixer is still operational without any issues and that's enough to show that how reliable mixer it is. Although we all know that there were strict actions taken by SEC against all mixing platforms and that was the read why Bitcointalk banned mixers and because of the same reason many mixers quit providing their services but it's great to see mixers like Thormixer and a few other mixers still providing their privacy enhancement services and that's an awesome thing.
Obviously, the fact that mixers like Thormixer are still active is an additional confirmation of their reliability.Funny enough, months back when Icopress listed a couple of mixers for campaign which included Thormixer, Royalmix and I think with one other. I conducted a little research and used the mixers. I was just convinced that Thormixer will last longer than the others. In as much as I want to receive some weekly bucks writing in this forum, I wouldn't be comfortable promoting a shady project that will open today, scam a few BTC tomorrow and shutdown.
Both mentioned mixers invested a lot of money in the development and promotion of the platform, certainly, they were considered reliable. Although they did not announce the reasons for exiting the market, we all assume why it happened. I'm pretty sure if there weren't certain 'SEC' events some of them would still be operational.
You are very correct and I have to completely agree with you, after the take over and closing down of chipmixer which was evident and verifiable to the general public, some mixer developers and management have seen this as one of the easiest means of exit the market quietly without making alot of noise.Both mentioned mixers invested a lot of money in the development and promotion of the platform, certainly, they were considered reliable. Although they did not announce the reasons for exiting the market, we all assume why it happened. I'm pretty sure if there weren't certain 'SEC' events some of them would still be operational.
I don't know why, but whenever I see a mixer service disappear without letting its users know that they are going to stop providing their service, I always think it's an exit scam and they never had good intentions. I never managed to understand how mixers get seized by the Government and what technology they used to seize those mixers and arrest the owners of these platforms. I always felt like most of them are just exit scam and some of them were seized by the authorities.
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Mixers make money, and they should spend enough money to secure their own privacy first, and then provide privacy to their users. I remember I saw a mixer end their service and recommended using XMR before they ended their service. I appreciate that they informed people that they are going to end their service.
You are very correct and I have to completely agree with you, after the take over and closing down of chipmixer which was evident and verifiable to the general public, some mixer developers and management have seen this as one of the easiest means of exit the market quietly without making alot of noise.
The chipmixer incident have opened the doors to other mixers to sometimes, even comoflage and make users believe they have been seized by the SEC, making users to simply move on and don't scream scam.
We cannot expect that all mixers are owned by serious people who know how to properly protect themselves, but there are also those mixers that are started by individuals who are not up to the task. All those who aim to suppress this type of service always choose easy targets first, and only then focus on those with serious owners.This is why people should avoid services that do not spend money on marketing or do not build any reputation on the market. But, in general, we expect mixer service providers to care much more about privacy than the users.
We cannot expect that all mixers are owned by serious people who know how to properly protect themselves, but there are also those mixers that are started by individuals who are not up to the task. All those who aim to suppress this type of service always choose easy targets first, and only then focus on those with serious owners.This is why people should avoid services that do not spend money on marketing or do not build any reputation on the market. But, in general, we expect mixer service providers to care much more about privacy than the users.
Very true and I completely agree with you, for except the internet seize to exist, there will always be innovations that possibly doesn't sit well with the government, but will exist as long as there are people interested in such innovations, the worst the government can do is try to such as many down, but then, the more they shut down, the more new ones are coming up..From a localized perspective, governments have the capacity to suppress a few Mixers. However, on a broader scale, governments cannot eradicate all Mixers due to limited human and time resources. Their efforts are primarily aimed at deterring other Mixers, but unfortunately, this hasn't been effective: Mixers continue to be developed and serve the privacy needs of crypto users.
A good example is when and after chipmixer was seized and shut down, mixers weren't that much before then, infact, I think it probably wont be up to ten mixers that existed then, but immediately after chipmixer was seized and taken down, mixers started popping up like gambling casinos, though not every one of them are legit, but then, mixers have become more popular than they were in the past before the government took chipmixer down.
Jambler can surely give more reputation and safety to any new mixers that partners with them.That's a good suggestion but I don't think that Thormixer needs extra reputation as it has already got its reputation by being reliable and workable even in the times when other mixers or privacy centered services simply quit providing their services to customers. However, there's nothing wrong if some partnership note is added because that won't impact Thormixer or Jambler's reputation as both of those are reputed platforms.
As alternative to adding anything on Jambler website I would suggestion adding a small partnership note in this Thromixer topic OP.
Most of us already knows that, but this would be useful for any newbies who are using Thormixer for the first time.
We can only start from the assumption that everything stated in the terms of use is true, but we have seen from some past cases that this is not always the case. One of the most famous mixers (CM) claims a lot in its conditions, but when they were seized we found out that they weren't really telling the truth - private keys that were supposed to be deleted after 7 days were kept for some reason for months or even years.
Yeah. I remember the authorities seized 7TB of Data and 46 million worth of BTC at that time. Can you imagine how much data they have stored?
A couple of forum members have disappeared since then, and one of them is their campaign manager. They were promising to provide the best privacy, which I guess they did. But they stored all the user's data, and some of those users fear that case till now.
I don't think CM had any benefit from storing these data. But they just lied to the users and now the users are in possible danger. But when it comes to Thormixer, I guess they had to follow What Jambler provides/suggests. If it's software from Jambler and not just API's. Then Jambler has the main responsibility.
Yeah. I remember the authorities seized 7TB of Data and 46 million worth of BTC at that time. Can you imagine how much data they have stored? A couple of forum members have disappeared since then, and one of them is their campaign manager. They were promising to provide the best privacy, which I guess they did. But they stored all the user's data, and some of those users fear that case till now. I don't think CM had any benefit from storing these data. But they just lied to the users and now the users are in possible danger. But when it comes to Thormixer, I guess they had to follow What Jambler provides/suggests. If it's software from Jambler and not just API's. Then Jambler has the main responsibility.I'm unaware of this event, possibly because I wasn't paying attention nor using Mixers around the time it occurred. Additionally, crypto media wasn't as developed or widespread back then. I hope that current Mixers like ThorMixer have learned from that event and made changes to ensure user safety in all scenarios, even if the Mixers face legal issues.
Yeah. I remember the authorities seized 7TB of Data and 46 million worth of BTC at that time. Can you imagine how much data they have stored?To be fair we don't know what they were storing. Like, I can't see their user logs (deposits and withdrawn chips) taking that much space (7 TB??). Maybe they actually were on a different business at the same time which required a lot more data?
Well, for me, I really do not think Thormixer needs any jambler stuff on whatever is related to them (Thormixer) and their services, specially when and if it's certain that Thormixer wanted to act as a stand alone mixer, so far so good, Thormixer have managed to build a good reputation for themselves and whether they decide now to add whatever is jambler related to their information, that won't change a thing.Jambler can surely give more reputation and safety to any new mixers that partners with them.That's a good suggestion but I don't think that Thormixer needs extra reputation as it has already got its reputation by being reliable and workable even in the times when other mixers or privacy centered services simply quit providing their services to customers. However, there's nothing wrong if some partnership note is added because that won't impact Thormixer or Jambler's reputation as both of those are reputed platforms.
As alternative to adding anything on Jambler website I would suggestion adding a small partnership note in this Thromixer topic OP.
Most of us already knows that, but this would be useful for any newbies who are using Thormixer for the first time.
That's a good suggestion but I don't think that Thormixer needs extra reputation as it has already got its reputation by being reliable and workable even in the times when other mixers or privacy centered services simply quit providing their services to customers.I never said they need anything extra, but Thormixer literraly started with their service in 2023.
To be fair we don't know what they were storing. Like, I can't see their user logs (deposits and withdrawn chips) taking that much space (7 TB??). Maybe they actually were on a different business at the same time which required a lot more data?Just operating a website like they did needs a lot of space, and it's not like they stored personal information of their customers.
Yeah. I remember the authorities seized 7TB of Data and 46 million worth of BTC at that time. Can you imagine how much data they have stored? A couple of forum members have disappeared since then, and one of them is their campaign manager. They were promising to provide the best privacy, which I guess they did. But they stored all the user's data, and some of those users fear that case till now. I don't think CM had any benefit from storing these data. But they just lied to the users and now the users are in possible danger. But when it comes to Thormixer, I guess they had to follow What Jambler provides/suggests. If it's software from Jambler and not just API's. Then Jambler has the main responsibility.I'm unaware of this event, possibly because I wasn't paying attention nor using Mixers around the time it occurred. Additionally, crypto media wasn't as developed or widespread back then. I hope that current Mixers like ThorMixer have learned from that event and made changes to ensure user safety in all scenarios, even if the Mixers face legal issues.
A couple of forum members have disappeared since then, and one of them is their campaign manager. They were promising to provide the best privacy, which I guess they did. But they stored all the user's data, and some of those users fear that case till now.
He didn't completely disappear, he was still active with his lending service after all - although it seems to me that he hasn't been online at all lately. I would say that everything they did over the years was completely pointless if they messed up so badly in the end.
ThorMixer has been operating for a long time, and I believe it's one of the most successful Mixers: it has a community, users, and a reason to protect its revenue by providing the best service to users. At the very least, it doesn't store any user information to protect their anonymity.
To be fair we don't know what they were storing. Like, I can't see their user logs (deposits and withdrawn chips) taking that much space (7 TB??). Maybe they actually were on a different business at the same time which required a lot more data?It's possible. I cannot imagine having 7 TB data which only contains text documents. A single text file with hundreds of transaction details will take only a few KB. So, 7 TB is a lot. Possibly that includes a lot of software and other files.
My guess is that all forum members are fine... nobody was doing anything illegal.
I guess most forum members disappeared because they stopped making money with those campaigns. Specially the manager, who made lot of money.
I also want to believe they do not store any data, as they say there are no logs. CM also said the same thing, but they ended up storing all the data, and the authorities seized 7 TB of storage or data. All we can do is trust what they say and use their service. But if we figure out something else, that will be too late for all of us. But forget about that; I really hope Thormixer keeps its promises and never stores any data.We don't have enough data to conclude the risks on ThorMixer, so I usually choose a positive mindset to reduce anxiety and focus on more important crypto market tasks to generate more profit. Anyway, as I've mentioned, I don't focus on anonymity, I only care about the cleanliness of BTC because I've had some trouble with CEXs when they suspected my deposit of violating their regulations.
Thormixer have managed to build a good reputation for themselves and whether they decide now to add whatever is jambler related to their information, that won't change a thing.I highly agree with you, Thormixer is quite known player in the mixer world, although it came late as compared to many other mixers but it really got attention as it was reliable. I know that there are some other good mixers in the market and Thormixer is one of those top mixer in my eyes. Adding Jambler related information really won't chance anything and I believe that's the reason why they haven't included their mixer in Jambler's list and wanted to remain the way they are.
And on the other hand, I don't know if it's just me, but I honestly do not find jambler to be that influencial in the bitcoin mixing business, I think even chipmixer was way more popular and influencial when they still were in operation.I don't really have any depth information about that chipmixer but I guess Jambler isn't a mixer itself but allow others to build their mixers.
The collapse of a few mixers doesn't represent the future and fate of all mixers in the market. We all know that creating a mixer is easy, but only the most reputable mixers that genuinely care about user interests can acquire users, revenue, and profit. I hope that ThorMixer will be one of those successful mixers!
[Snip]Yeah, you are right, but I am only assuming that if they are a service of business that allows other mixers to build from their resources, they themselves should be able to allow intending customers mix bitcoin from their platform as well.And on the other hand, I don't know if it's just me, but I honestly do not find jambler to be that influencial in the bitcoin mixing business, I think even chipmixer was way more popular and influencial when they still were in operation.I don't really have any depth information about that chipmixer but I guess Jambler isn't a mixer itself but allow others to build their mixers.
Instead of START MIX BITCOINS, maybe it should be just START MIXING, or START MIXING BITCOINS.More action word;
(https://i.ibb.co/M90WrDZ/img0e8d557f20bbf100d354abf15a27c755.jpg)
Hey guys, regarding The Bot is no longer available, I honestly don't think it's necessary. It was just an extra. What do you think?Yes, I agree, the bot wasn't necessary at all, and as dkbit98 suggested, I also suggest you to change the text on the button and make it "Start Mixing Bitcoin" as that sounds more professional. I also suggest you to rewrite the text on ThorMixer as it's not written well. I know the ones who want to mix their coins don't care about such details but for a professional mixer like ThorMixer it's better to make things more professional.
+1Hey guys, regarding The Bot is no longer available, I honestly don't think it's necessary. It was just an extra. What do you think?Yes, I agree, the bot wasn't necessary at all, and as dkbit98 suggested, I also suggest you to change the text on the button and make it "Start Mixing Bitcoin" as that sounds more professional. I also suggest you to rewrite the text on ThorMixer as it's not written well. I know the ones who want to mix their coins don't care about such details but for a professional mixer like ThorMixer it's better to make things more professional.
Hey guys, regarding The Bot is no longer available, I honestly don't think it's necessary. It was just an extra. What do you think?You can make it to inquire about the service and the status of order ID request without showing data about the user's address or the withdrawal address, so it will be useful in DDOS cases.
This is a very good idea, but I am curious to know how this can be achieved without telegram ending up getting sensitive user data from the bot's database?Hey guys, regarding The Bot is no longer available, I honestly don't think it's necessary. It was just an extra. What do you think?You can make it to inquire about the service and the status of order ID request without showing data about the user's address or the withdrawal address, so it will be useful in DDOS cases.
MIX NOW (webmixer button)Any of the above 2 is fine. Whether another miserable uses or not is not a concern, it is less than 5 words, so plagerism rule cannot apply.
START MIXING
Or any other ideas? Thanks
I also suggest you to change the text on the button and make it "Start Mixing Bitcoin" as that sounds more professional.There's nothing professional about that. "Start Mixing Bitcoin" is long to align well in a global button. Two action words can do the job.
Hey guys, regarding The Bot is no longer available, I honestly don't think it's necessary. It was just an extra. What do you think?I don't use the bot so it is not necessary. for me, but I don't know about heavy telegram users ;)
MIX NOW (webmixer button)START MIXING or MIX BITCOINS sounds good enough for me.
START MIX
START MIXING
MIX MY COINS (mixer.money and mixtum button)
MIX BITCOINS
MIX BTC
Or any other ideas? Thanks
But all the same, I personally assume that the Thormixer management aren't getting any traffic from the bot, or perhaps, the traffic generated from the bot is too insignificant and it's not worth keeping it.Yes, I believe that's true, most users who prefer to use mixers often give high priority to privacy then ease of use. I know using of the Bot would be much easier for some people but those who prefer privacy, and anonymity would always avoid such bots and that's the reason why there might be very few or no mixes with that bot.
And to comment on the button..Yes, that's a good suggestion, "Start Mixing" sounds more good than "Start Mixing Bitcoin" as we know that whoever wants to use a mixer knows pretty well that they're mixing their Bitcoin and that's why it's not necessary to mention Bitcoin in the button. +1
I agree, START MIXING is more outstanding than the rest of the options, I will vote for that.
Hey guys, regarding The Bot is no longer available, I honestly don't think it's necessary. It was just an extra. What do you think?What do you mean it's not available, I just tested thormixer_bot, and everything seems to be functional. It looks like you just removed the link from the site.
We are having a discussion here about you, the fact that Thormixer works without problems does not mean that you should not participate in the discussion here.There is no need for a ThorMixer representative to join the discussion as long as their service is working without any glitches.
I think that's the best compliment I can give. The links to the bot have been removed since the vast majority of customers use the web version, but yes, the bot still works. Maybe this will change in the future... in any case, it will be reported.
Right. Just because some mixers are scammed does not mean all other mixers will also be scammed. The scam happens in the exchange and casino industries as well. However, several reputed exchanges and casinos still operate their business with intact reputations. I did not say that Thormixer did anything bad. There is no way we can accuse them of something since there are no complaints against them or proof.Yeah, we've had more than enough conspiracy theories and stress when it comes to the crypto market. We don't need to create more serious speculations for ourselves to feed our wild imaginations. If you doubt it, don't use it, if you use it, don't doubt it. I use ThorMixer and won't waste my time and energy doubting ThorMixer. I just need my BTC to be mixed and sent to my accounts safely ^^
They have been spending money on forums to run their signature campaign and build a reputation in the community, which should prove their genuine intention to stay. I hope nothing bad happens and the authorities do not trouble them operating their business. I also expect Thormixer to try their best to stay anonymous.
Hey guys, regarding The Bot is no longer available, I honestly don't think it's necessary. It was just an extra. What do you think?I've never tried mixing BTC through a Telegram Bot, and I think many users will abandon it once Telegram updates its privacy policy. ThorMixer should focus on other channels to better serve users.
And the button, maybe:
MIX NOW (webmixer button)
START MIX
START MIXING
MIX MY COINS (mixer.money and mixtum button)
MIX BITCOINS
" BTC
Or any other ideas? Thanks
What do you mean it's not available, I just tested, and everything seems to be functional. It looks like you just removed the link from the site.
We are having a discussion here about you, the fact that Thormixer works without problems does not mean that you should not participate in the discussion here.
participate in the discussion here.
People always prefer to choose a platform from which they get some kind of response. Since Mixers does not have a live chat support system, replying in a public thread is crucial. It gives the users some confidence that they are here engaging with the community, and I can ask them anything if I face any kind of issues. Moreover, if you engage with the community, I am sure you will rank up fast, making a good impression on new people. A high-ranked member in a forum means you have been here for a while. You could have become a Sr. member by now.participate in the discussion here.Okay, I'll try.
And thanks to everyone for the button ideas.Sorry, I missed that post somehow. But I also vote for START MIXING
You are right. I will disable it soon. The first measure was to disable it on the web.Don't get me wrong, it's not about insisting on leaving the TG bot, it's just stating the fact that TG no longer provides a significant level of privacy (if it used to do that).
People always prefer to choose a platform from which they get some kind of response. Since Mixers does not have a live chat support system, replying in a public thread is crucial. It gives the users some confidence that they are here engaging with the community, and I can ask them anything if I face any kind of issues. Moreover, if you engage with the community, I am sure you will rank up fast, making a good impression on new people. A high-ranked member in a forum means you have been here for a while. You could have become a Sr. member by now.Yeah, I believe that ANN threads on crypto forums are a straightforward and effective way to introduce a project brand to potential users in this market. It seems that the Thormixer team may have been overly focused on platform development, neglecting the importance of consistent engagement on these threads.
The Thormixer team could proactively participate in discussions on forums like AltcoinsTalks, particularly within their project dedicated thread. This would enable them to provide more effective user support and gain valuable insights to enhance Thormixer development amidst increasing competition among mixers.
This could be a mixer, a casino, or an exchange service. As a user, I feel like that, and want to believe most other users feel the same. Thormixer has already proved its strenth by running a campaign for several weeks. Once the campaign ended or paused, now the only way to get attention is keep active the discussion thread and engage with the community. You should stay in front of your customer so no one think that you are fading away.Well, that's very true, the Thormixer has really done awesome by running their campaign successfully for many weeks and I was fortunate enough to be part of the campaign since its beginning. Now, the campaign is on pause and it's good to see that Thormixer's representative is still present on this thread and he/she makes some posts to keep members updated about the changes in the site. Well, I believe we might see another round of the campaign in some days and till then keeping this thread updated is the best solution for Thormixer.
Well, that's very true, the Thormixer has really done awesome by running their campaign successfully for many weeks and I was fortunate enough to be part of the campaign since its beginning. Now, the campaign is on pause and it's good to see that Thormixer's representative is still present on this thread and he/she makes some posts to keep members updated about the changes in the site. Well, I believe we might see another round of the campaign in some days and till then keeping this thread updated is the best solution for Thormixer.
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Regarding the signature campaign, we might see another round in the future. I am not sure. It depends on their marketing plan and budget. Meanwhile, whoever used their platform before and participated in their campaign may continue to discuss in the thread and keep it active.
I won't say it's impossible for them to start a sig campaign again, but if we look at all the other sig campaigns that have been paused, none of them have been restarted. What is illogical to me is that new signatures were made a few weeks ago, which makes no sense if the campaign will not continue.It is true that none of the mixers re-started their campaign. But if we look at the other forum, a lot of campaigns restarted after a long period of time. I believe every platform has its own marketing plan and budget. Unlike other platforms, mixers might have very limited team members, and one can have a different point of view than others. While a team member prioritizes the forum advertisement, the other teammates may think it's a waste of money. It depends!
It is logical to evaluate the results of the campaign after some time. To be honest, there is a lack of activity here and a larger number of members participating in the discussion, and I am not referring only to the Thormixer ANN thread. I'm not a big optimist in the long term, but that's already forum stuff and I wouldn't talk about it here.I won't say it's impossible for them to start a sig campaign again, but if we look at all the other sig campaigns that have been paused, none of them have been restarted. What is illogical to me is that new signatures were made a few weeks ago, which makes no sense if the campaign will not continue.It is true that none of the mixers re-started their campaign. But if we look at the other forum, a lot of campaigns restarted after a long period of time. I believe every platform has its own marketing plan and budget. Unlike other platforms, mixers might have very limited team members, and one can have a different point of view than others. While a team member prioritizes the forum advertisement, the other teammates may think it's a waste of money. It depends!
First, let me start by saying that there is always a first time to everything, the fact no other mixer that have paused their signature campaign here in the past have resumed it, doesnt mean it's always going to be same for all other campaigns going forward, at a time, there definitely will be an exception.~snip~
Regarding the signature campaign, we might see another round in the future. I am not sure. It depends on their marketing plan and budget. Meanwhile, whoever used their platform before and participated in their campaign may continue to discuss in the thread and keep it active.
I won't say it's impossible for them to start a sig campaign again, but if we look at all the other sig campaigns that have been paused, none of them have been restarted. What is illogical to me is that new signatures were made a few weeks ago, which makes no sense if the campaign will not continue.
Unfortunately, the only logical explanation is that the campaigns do not bring the expected results.
Unfortunately, the only logical explanation is that the campaigns do not bring the expected results.We actually need to understand what it means that a signature campaign did not bring the actual or desired results. Most times we do see signature campaigns pause and tell you that they want to evaluate the success of the campaign and choose if to continue or not. Here comes the question:
The effect of the signature campaign depends on the activity on the forum, unfortunately, the activity on the forum is quite dependent on the signature campaign, so it is a kind of closed circle. At the same time, I am convinced that the priority should be to increase the activity on the forum and not just to pressure the services to start signature campaigns.Unfortunately, the only logical explanation is that the campaigns do not bring the expected results.We actually need to understand what it means that a signature campaign did not bring the actual or desired results. Most times we do see signature campaigns pause and tell you that they want to evaluate the success of the campaign and choose if to continue or not.
The effect of the signature campaign depends on the activity on the forum, unfortunately, the activity on the forum is quite dependent on the signature campaign, so it is a kind of closed circle. At the same time, I am convinced that the priority should be to increase the activity on the forum and not just to pressure the services to start signature campaigns.Unfortunately, the only logical explanation is that the campaigns do not bring the expected results.We actually need to understand what it means that a signature campaign did not bring the actual or desired results. Most times we do see signature campaigns pause and tell you that they want to evaluate the success of the campaign and choose if to continue or not.
otherwise, if promotions on this forum are not the best solution for mixers, what is their alternative? Social media I think not, blogs can partially cover it, but something else?
I was reading Thormixer disclaimer page and I saw section about unacceptable use.I believe that user might get banned from Thormixer and so does addresses of that user and there's chance that he/she might be banned for lifetime or abusing of the mixing service. I don't think that anyone will ever do anything like that but if someone does something abusive then surely ban could be the punishment. It would be great to hear it from Thormixer's representative as that would be more satisfactory answer I believe.
What would happen if some group would try to abuse the mixing service and use one or more restricted uses?
otherwise, if promotions on this forum are not the best solution for mixers, what is their alternative? Social media I think not, blogs can partially cover it, but something else?
I believe that user might get banned from Thormixer and so does addresses of that user and there's chance that he/she might be banned for lifetime or abusing of the mixing service. I don't think that anyone will ever do anything like that but if someone does something abusive then surely ban could be the punishment. It would be great to hear it from Thormixer's representative as that would be more satisfactory answer I believe.Banned how if they didn't create any account when using Thromixer?
Banned how if they didn't create any account when using Thromixer?No, there won't be any account related ban as we all know that no one creates an account on Thormixer in order to use the site as that's not needed. I believe the ban should be IP ban or banning of the addresses that used to deposit Bitcoin for mixing, however I'm not 100% sure if that's the case.
If they restrict one address it's trivial to use different address to mitigate this.
If they ban their IP address it's easy to use different IP address with Tor or VPN.
No, there won't be any account related ban as we all know that no one creates an account on Thormixer in order to use the site as that's not needed. I believe the ban should be IP ban or banning of the addresses that used to deposit Bitcoin for mixing, however I'm not 100% sure if that's the case.Quite irrelevant theories. Mixer has no reason to ban an IP unless some kind of attack was coming from there. Also, the mixer can know the origin of Bitcoin only during the mixing process, then it's too late for any bans.
I agree Tor and VPN can be used to evade IP ban but if someone's main Bitcoin addresses is banned or blacklisted then there's chance that he/she might not be able to get any mixes or whatsoever. I still believe that Thormixer's official representative could give a proper and straight foreword answer.
Quite irrelevant theories. Mixer has no reason to ban an IP unless some kind of attack was coming from there. Also, the mixer can know the origin of Bitcoin only during the mixing process, then it's too late for any bans.Well, we were trying to share our insights about that disclaimer and I've written multiple times that only Thormixer's official representative could give us a valuable answer. I believe the disclaimer is also mentioning about such attacks and that's why I gave my opinion about the IP ban and or blacklisting of the addresses that are found to be connected with some kind of illegal activity. They aren't investigative service I agree but they also might have their own algorithms to detect such activity if I'm not wrong.
Thormixer or any other mixer they are not investigative services, nor should they be.
Well, we were trying to share our insights about that disclaimer and I've written multiple times that only Thormixer's official representative could give us a valuable answer. I believe the disclaimer is also mentioning about such attacks and that's why I gave my opinion about the IP ban and or blacklisting of the addresses that are found to be connected with some kind of illegal activity. They aren't investigative service I agree but they also might have their own algorithms to detect such activity if I'm not wrong.
You are absolutely right, why should a mixer even think of banning a bitcoin address when they themselves are into the business of fixing stolen and tainted bitcoins, isn't this one of the reasons the government is after mixers, because thieves steal bitcoin, and use mixers to remove what ever tags those stolen bitcoin carried, as well completely lock the government and other interested parties out from tracking such bitcoins.No, there won't be any account related ban as we all know that no one creates an account on Thormixer in order to use the site as that's not needed. I believe the ban should be IP ban or banning of the addresses that used to deposit Bitcoin for mixing, however I'm not 100% sure if that's the case.Quite irrelevant theories. Mixer has no reason to ban an IP unless some kind of attack was coming from there. Also, the mixer can know the origin of Bitcoin only during the mixing process, then it's too late for any bans.
I agree Tor and VPN can be used to evade IP ban but if someone's main Bitcoin addresses is banned or blacklisted then there's chance that he/she might not be able to get any mixes or whatsoever. I still believe that Thormixer's official representative could give a proper and straight foreword answer.
Thormixer or any other mixer they are not investigative services, nor should they be.
You are absolutely right, why should a mixer even think of banning a bitcoin address when they themselves are into the business of fixing stolen and tainted bitcoins, isn't this one of the reasons the government is after mixers, because thieves steal bitcoin, and use mixers to remove what ever tags those stolen bitcoin carried, as well completely lock the government and other interested parties out from tracking such bitcoins.While I understand what you're saying, keep in mind that mixers can be used to break the link between two addresses just for privacy reasons. I don't like the idea of banning addresses because then we're choosing what is a "good" or "bad" Bitcoin, but I would not completely blame a mixer for staying on the clearest legal side by avoiding addresses which are known for having been involved on scams.
If a mixer gets in the business of banning bitcoin address, it simply means that such mixer have began censoring users and this is fight against decentralization, they are going to lose all this customers.
While I understand what you're saying, keep in mind that mixers can be used to break the link between two addresses just for privacy reasons. I don't like the idea of banning addresses because then we're choosing what is a "good" or "bad" Bitcoin, but I would not completely blame a mixer for staying on the clearest legal side by avoiding addresses which are known for having been involved on scams.Yeah, currently, mixers have no reason to ban specific addresses. Mixers haven't cooperated with governments to prevent money laundering, and they guarantee user anonymity, so they won't interfere with issues related to identifying BTC owners.
i.e You ban a famous address that was used for ransomware while allowing Bob to get some privacy on-chain.
While I understand what you're saying, keep in mind that mixers can be used to break the link between two addresses just for privacy reasons. I don't like the idea of banning addresses because then we're choosing what is a "good" or "bad" Bitcoin, but I would not completely blame a mixer for staying on the clearest legal side by avoiding addresses which are known for having been involved on scams.That's what I was trying to say, mixers don't want to have any strict actions by the authorities as their owners are also humans who love privacy but they don't want to face huge trouble that might take place if anything crime related takes place.
As the number of Bitcoins is limited, I assume that at some point 80% of the coins in circulation will pass through one of the mixers at least once. I'm really interested in how the history of coins will be treated in that case. Of course, for all coins except for those that the SEC seizes at some point, because after the SEC they become clean.While I understand what you're saying, keep in mind that mixers can be used to break the link between two addresses just for privacy reasons. I don't like the idea of banning addresses because then we're choosing what is a "good" or "bad" Bitcoin, but I would not completely blame a mixer for staying on the clearest legal side by avoiding addresses which are known for having been involved on scams.That's what I was trying to say, mixers don't want to have any strict actions by the authorities as their owners are also humans who love privacy but they don't want to face huge trouble that might take place if anything crime related takes place.
Let's say if someone sending money from a known scam wallet or wallet used to fund criminal activities and is tagged by Sec and other such authorities then if I'm not wrong the mixers may also blacklist such addresses and that's possible.
As the number of Bitcoins is limited, I assume that at some point 80% of the coins in circulation will pass through one of the mixers at least once. I'm really interested in how the history of coins will be treated in that case. Of course, for all coins except for those that the SEC seizes at some point, because after the SEC they become clean.While I understand what you're saying, keep in mind that mixers can be used to break the link between two addresses just for privacy reasons. I don't like the idea of banning addresses because then we're choosing what is a "good" or "bad" Bitcoin, but I would not completely blame a mixer for staying on the clearest legal side by avoiding addresses which are known for having been involved on scams.That's what I was trying to say, mixers don't want to have any strict actions by the authorities as their owners are also humans who love privacy but they don't want to face huge trouble that might take place if anything crime related takes place.
Let's say if someone sending money from a known scam wallet or wallet used to fund criminal activities and is tagged by Sec and other such authorities then if I'm not wrong the mixers may also blacklist such addresses and that's possible.
I have seen Antonopoulos saying in a video that most of coins have been in mixers and casinos at some point, and this is probably true.
In the end, as basically all coins are "tainted", exchanges will probably just look for the last transactions.
I have seen Antonopoulos saying in a video that most of coins have been in mixers and casinos at some point, and this is probably true.Is that guy alive and well?
In the end, as basically all coins are "tainted", exchanges will probably just look for the last transactions.Solution is to switch to alternative exchanges and services that don't have restrictions like this, and work on creating new ones.
I have seen Antonopoulos saying in a video that most of coins have been in mixers and casinos at some point, and this is probably true.Is that guy alive and well?
I haven't seen any of his recent videos or social media posts, but I like listening to him and his educational content.
It is strange that he stopped in the last 6 months, but he may just be taking a breakI think I heard something that he made a decision to take a break from public speaking and he deleted social media accounts.
It is strange that he stopped in the last 6 months, but he may just be taking a breakI think I heard something that he made a decision to take a break from public speaking and he deleted social media accounts.
Maybe he is working on some new book, or he is tired from everything that goes along with publicity.
Speaking about him, do you remember if he ever said anything about bitcoin mixers like Thormixer and others?
Yes, there is this amazing video about "tainted coins". He explains ideas about how to use coins even if a third party consider them "tainted"
There is a "solution" to that "problem" and it's called "coin laundering" by government agencies - everything they seize becomes clean by some magic. When the authorities withdraw all the banknotes that were part of some illegal actions, then let them start talking about "tainted coins" - until then, they would be better off not embarrassing themselves with such nonsense.Those are just government concepts, since governments propose and enforce laws. A lot of assets seized from criminals are liquidated by the government and given a new, legal life in the economy. The same can be said for crypto.
Yes, there is this amazing video about "tainted coins". He explains ideas about how to use coins even if a third party consider them "tainted"He explained it very well about ''tainted'' coins.
Step number #1: Deposit tainted coins into Thormixer (or any other Jambler site)Yes, that's true, mixers make all tainted coins clean and the clean coins can be sold on exchange without any worries. They are the coins with low AML score and low AML is always safe for selling and no exchanges will question on sell of those coins. The market for mixers is high and it will remain that way because it's not only used to clean tainted coins but also used to enhance privacy of the coins so the investors who have huge number of coins won't bother much while transferring their coins to many wallets.
Step number #2: Get clean coins out of it
Step number #3: ???
Step number #4: Profit
I have used this method countless times in order to sell bitcoins on centralized platforms and nobody has questioned me for a source of funds. I think it's safe to say that this method is quite reliable. Just be sure to not re-use output addresses when you mix the coins.
Yes, that's true, mixers make all tainted coins clean and the clean coins can be sold on exchange without any worries. They are the coins with low AML score and low AML is always safe for selling and no exchanges will question on sell of those coins.Many exchanges believe that if a coin came from a mixer, it must be tainted, regardless of its origin. That's why what you quoted is important. NotATether, Thormixer and Jambler's partners have a very functional model, so even various AML checkers cannot recognize that the coins were part of the mixing process at all.
Many exchanges believe that if a coin came from a mixer, it must be tainted, regardless of its origin. That's why what you quoted is important. NotATether, Thormixer and Jambler's partners have a very functional model, so even various AML checkers cannot recognize that the coins were part of the mixing process at all.It would be more fair from all centralized exchanges to ask for Bitcoin address customers are sending from first.
Many exchanges believe that if a coin came from a mixer, it must be tainted, regardless of its origin. That's why what you quoted is important. NotATether, Thormixer and Jambler's partners have a very functional model, so even various AML checkers cannot recognize that the coins were part of the mixing process at all.That's true, the coins that come directly from mixers have been considered tainted by the exchanges and when I used to be part of a mixer campaign at Bitcoin and receive my weekly earnings to my exchange account directly instead of first receiving those at my own addresses then moving those at exchange's address, and for that I faced some issues.
Exchanges can only become weary of bitcoin coming into their exchange if they can not trace the source from which or where it's coming from, so in other words, exchanges can only know that the bitcoin coming into the exchange was mixed, only if the person or user mixing the bitcoin made the mistake of submitting a direct Exchange bitcoin wallet address for the mixed coins to be sent there right from the mixer, this is usually a huge mistake ..Many exchanges believe that if a coin came from a mixer, it must be tainted, regardless of its origin. That's why what you quoted is important. NotATether, Thormixer and Jambler's partners have a very functional model, so even various AML checkers cannot recognize that the coins were part of the mixing process at all.That's true, the coins that come directly from mixers have been considered tainted by the exchanges and when I used to be part of a mixer campaign at Bitcoin and receive my weekly earnings to my exchange account directly instead of first receiving those at my own addresses then moving those at exchange's address, and for that I faced some issues.
When it comes to Thormixer, and Jambler's partners I can surely say that I've deposited the mixed coins at my exchange's address and I faced no issue or warnings at all. And, that's why I believe the coins that get mixed using Thormixer or any of Jambler's partners are clean coins not tainted ones.
Mixed bitcoin should first be received on one's personal wallet, and after some time, the person can then send the bitcoin to the exchange wallet address, there won't be any issue of tainted coins .That's actually a good suggestion and I highly agree with you. I believe it's way better to receive Bitcoin first at one's own personal wallet than receiving it at an exchange's wallet. That way a person won't face any such issues, however if I'm not wrong, the mixed coins from Thormixer are mixed in a way that if they were deposited directly into someone's exchange's wallet then that won't cause any issues, but of course it's always better to use personal wallet for the task.
As a significant number of users send Bitcoin directly to the mixer, they obviously have no idea why it is a bad choice. Perhaps Thormixer (and other mixers of course) could give a short notice on the site that it is not recommended to send directly from the mixer to the exchange wallet.Mixed bitcoin should first be received on one's personal wallet, and after some time, the person can then send the bitcoin to the exchange wallet address, there won't be any issue of tainted coins .That's actually a good suggestion and I highly agree with you. I believe it's way better to receive Bitcoin first at one's own personal wallet than receiving it at an exchange's wallet. That way a person won't face any such issues, however if I'm not wrong, the mixed coins from Thormixer are mixed in a way that if they were deposited directly into someone's exchange's wallet then that won't cause any issues, but of course it's always better to use personal wallet for the task.
As a significant number of users send Bitcoin directly to the mixer, they obviously have no idea why it is a bad choice. Perhaps Thormixer (and other mixers of course) could give a short notice on the site that it is not recommended to send directly from the mixer to the exchange wallet.
As a significant number of users send Bitcoin directly to the mixer, they obviously have no idea why it is a bad choice. Perhaps Thormixer (and other mixers of course) could give a short notice on the site that it is not recommended to send directly from the mixer to the exchange wallet.They probably want to save on transaction fees by doing this, but it is never a good idea to do that and it could cost much more.
They probably want to save on transaction fees by doing this, but it is never a good idea to do that and it could cost much more.Some of the exchanges have a strict rule that they do not accept coins from the mixer. Whichever method they use, there is always a greater risk if they are sent directly from the mixer to the exchange account.
I heard some exchanges even frozen account with coins coming directly from cryptocurrency casinos, but exchanges should always be blamed for doing that.
It is very rear to hear that sending from one exchange to different exchange is causing problems like I mentioned.
As a significant number of users send Bitcoin directly to the mixer, they obviously have no idea why it is a bad choice. Perhaps Thormixer (and other mixers of course) could give a short notice on the site that it is not recommended to send directly from the mixer to the exchange wallet.That's a useful advice I believe, but I don't think that Thormixer or any other mixer would do something like that because they claim to give high privacy to the coins and if the coins can get deposited to an exchange's hot wallet directly without any issues then it's a sure sign that the coins come from a safe source and aren't tainted ones. However, users who mix coins should use their personal wallets to receive the mixed coins as that's a little more safe then receiving it directly from a mixer to an exchange wallet.
Blaming anyone doesn't bring much satisfaction if someone has lost their money.Yeah but ignoring and continuing to use exchanges like this is showing your support for actions like that, and it's making things worse for everyone.
That is why it is desirable to minimize the risk of freezing funds by exchange, casino or any service.
As a significant number of users send Bitcoin directly to the mixer, they obviously have no idea why it is a bad choice. Perhaps Thormixer (and other mixers of course) could give a short notice on the site that it is not recommended to send directly from the mixer to the exchange wallet.
As a significant number of users send Bitcoin directly to the mixer, they obviously have no idea why it is a bad choice. Perhaps Thormixer (and other mixers of course) could give a short notice on the site that it is not recommended to send directly from the mixer to the exchange wallet.
Why would anyone do that? To save some transaction fees? Tbh, if that's the case then it's pure stupidity! :P
I dont think that is so stupid.. I have never done that.. but sending for your wallet may not be enough.It should be enough if you received coins from Thormixer and other Jambler services.
No centralized exchange = no problem.
You can also add
No centralized exchange = no fiat.
I need fiat to pay my bills, unfortunately. I cannot buy an airline ticket or a restaurant with USDT, or a KYC-free bitcoin card (AFAIK)
There are virtual no-KYC cards that can be bought for crypto and added to digital wallets that can then be used to pay through POS devices or even in some places online. For example, I can pay all my bills directly with crypto through one domestic payment processor, or even at various physical places where bills can be paid (post offices, gas stations, newspaper kiosks, etc.) using virtual cards.
However, in the end, everything depends on where you live and what possibilities you have when it comes to cryptocurrencies.
There are virtual no-KYC cards that can be bought for crypto and added to digital wallets that can then be used to pay through POS devices or even in some places online. For example, I can pay all my bills directly with crypto through one domestic payment processor, or even at various physical places where bills can be paid (post offices, gas stations, newspaper kiosks, etc.) using virtual cards.
However, in the end, everything depends on where you live and what possibilities you have when it comes to cryptocurrencies.
I dont think that is so stupid.. I have never done that.. but sending for your wallet may not be enough.It should be enough if you received coins from Thormixer and other Jambler services.
However, I don't trust any centralized exchanges and I would always recommend using decentralized no-kyc exchanges and you won't have the headache.
No centralized exchange = no problem.
There are virtual no-KYC cards that can be bought for crypto and added to digital wallets that can then be used to pay through POS devices or even in some places online. For example, I can pay all my bills directly with crypto through one domestic payment processor, or even at various physical places where bills can be paid (post offices, gas stations, newspaper kiosks, etc.) using virtual cards.Yeah, this looks interesting.
However, in the end, everything depends on where you live and what possibilities you have when it comes to cryptocurrencies.
However, such solutions doesn't exist in Brazil, or they are not very reliable because I know a lot of people here that knows about crypto and nobody uses something similar..
I didn't know the bad side of Centralized exchanges before I joined my forum journey. I was happily using Coinbase and Binance back then. I still use Binance to sell my USDT. But, I wish I have more options so I can stop using centralized exchanges.There's nothing wrong in using centralized exchanges, but it's not okay to keep one's funds at those exchanges because they can be hacked and one's funds aren't safe at those exchanges. However, if someone is into trading then it's also mandatory to keep one's funds at such exchanges.
There's nothing wrong in using centralized exchanges, but it's not okay to keep one's funds at those exchanges because they can be hacked and one's funds aren't safe at those exchanges. However, if someone is into trading then it's also mandatory to keep one's funds at such exchanges.
I'm a trader myself and I have funds at various crypto centralized exchanges, that I keep there for trading purpose and so far I haven't faced any issues. Thankfully, I didn't had any account or funds at FTX because we all know what happened to it, and hopefully I believe exchanges like Binance won't face any such issues.
I came to know that bad people in exchanges actually sell those KYC on the black market. Coinbase also admitted that its partners sold users' information on the internet. This is terrible, to be honest. I don't keep too much on exchanges. But I have a few hundred dollars in case of emergency.Well, that the worst that can happen with a user who keeps their money on centralized exchanges, and not only KYC details but sometimes one's assets can also be hacked if the exchange's hot wallet gets hacked or even the user's wallet or account gets hacked. It's not really recommended to keep any money at exchanges but when you're a trader then you'll have to keep money at those exchanges.
I have not seen any reasons not to trust Centralized exchanges especially during withdrawal/transfers operations, may be because i am yet to experience any issues.Really? :o
I came to know that bad people in exchanges actually sell those KYC on the black market. Coinbase also admitted that its partners sold users' information on the internet. This is terrible, to be honest. I don't keep too much on exchanges. But I have a few hundred dollars in case of emergency.There is a demand for that, and people are willing to sell that, not all of them doing that are bad.
Well, that the worst that can happen with a user who keeps their money on centralized exchanges, and not only KYC details but sometimes one's assets can also be hacked if the exchange's hot wallet gets hacked or even the user's wallet or account gets hacked. It's not really recommended to keep any money at exchanges but when you're a trader then you'll have to keep money at those exchanges.
Once you complete your KYC on any platform, whether you keep yours on those platforms or not, you are risking your valuable identity. The coinbase users whose identity was stolen did not lose their exchange balance or anything.Well, completing KYC is always a risk and we all know that but still we have to do it in order to use some platforms. The ones who prefer privacy never complete KYC but the ones who take the risk will always have such fears.
Well, completing KYC is always a risk and we all know that but still we have to do it in order to use some platforms. The ones who prefer privacy never complete KYC but the ones who take the risk will always have such fears. I know it's not safe to complete the KYC because ones details can be leaked online when databases of such exchanges are hacked but still most of us complete the KYC as we have no other option.
When I came to know about the bad sides of, I had completed my KYC on dozens of websites already. Since then, I completed KYC on a couple more websites. But that was because I already know what I did before.I also try to avoid KYC on gambling sites after knowing that KYC details can be leaked but like you I have also completed my KYC on multiple exchanges before knowing that the details can be hacked and leaked online.
KYC stands against what privacy truly is and represent, so if any instants, a bitcoin mixer start asking for kyc verification from users before they are allowed to mix bitcoin, then it's completely off and simply means that there is absolutely no reason for mixers to even run, since the purpose for their existence has been compromised.When I came to know about the bad sides of, I had completed my KYC on dozens of websites already. Since then, I completed KYC on a couple more websites. But that was because I already know what I did before.I also try to avoid KYC on gambling sites after knowing that KYC details can be leaked but like you I have also completed my KYC on multiple exchanges before knowing that the details can be hacked and leaked online.
Now, I don't really care much about KYC, if it becomes mandatory on a platform I complete the KYC since my personal details are already present on multiple platforms. The best part about mixers like Thormixer is that they value privacy and that's why they never ask for KYC details.
KYC stands against what privacy truly is and represent, so if any instants, a bitcoin mixer start asking for kyc verification from users before they are allowed to mix bitcoin, then it's completely off and simply means that there is absolutely no reason for mixers to even run, since the purpose for their existence has been compromised.Yes, that's true, and I fully agree with you. KYC is against the law of privacy and mixers are services that promote privacy and that's why people use mixers. Good mixers like Thormixer clear all traces of Bitcoin and addresses and that's why users use this amazing mixing service. Mixers like Thormixer will always give high importance to privacy and that's why users can use their mixing functions without even any need of creating any type of account.
Yeah, the part of Thormixer that really got me is that they require no account, other mixers I've ever used require users to sign up an account including Unijoin before they went offline.KYC stands against what privacy truly is and represent, so if any instants, a bitcoin mixer start asking for kyc verification from users before they are allowed to mix bitcoin, then it's completely off and simply means that there is absolutely no reason for mixers to even run, since the purpose for their existence has been compromised.Yes, that's true, and I fully agree with you. KYC is against the law of privacy and mixers are services that promote privacy and that's why people use mixers. Good mixers like Thormixer clear all traces of Bitcoin and addresses and that's why users use this amazing mixing service. Mixers like Thormixer will always give high importance to privacy and that's why users can use their mixing functions without even any need of creating any type of account.
Yeah, the part of Thormixer that really got me is that they require no account, other mixers I've ever used require users to sign up an account including Unijoin before they went offline.
To be honest, I thought it was a standard not to require an account before someone used a mixer. This is the first time I hear that some mixers actually require their users to sign up. I haven't seen one yet. Even if there was, I did not notice or did not use them.Previously, there were various reasons why some mixers went in the direction that users should have accounts with them for the mixing process. For example, whirlwind.money also offered a staking option, because the funds would still be used for the mixing process, but that didn't end well. However, we do not know the exact reasons for closing this mixer.
Yeah, the part of Thormixer that really got me is that they require no account, other mixers I've ever used require users to sign up an account including Unijoin before they went offline.Do you mean to register a new account or do you have an account in the mixing service, if you have an account then it means that they know or record the previous transactions or in other words avoid using that mixer. and Unijoin was not asking to create an account.
Yeah, the part of Thormixer that really got me is that they require no account, other mixers I've ever used require users to sign up an account including Unijoin before they went offline.Do you mean to register a new account or do you have an account in the mixing service, if you have an account then it means that they know or record the previous transactions or in other words avoid using that mixer. and Unijoin was not asking to create an account.
Previously, there were various reasons why some mixers went in the direction that users should have accounts with them for the mixing process. For example, whirlwind.money also offered a staking option, because the funds would still be used for the mixing process, but that didn't end well. However, we do not know the exact reasons for closing this mixer.
I didn't know the bad side of Centralized exchanges before I joined my forum journey. I was happily using Coinbase and Binance back then. I still use Binance to sell my USDT. But, I wish I have more options so I can stop using centralized exchanges.The first wallet I ever used was Coinbase, lol! Anyway, I have stopped using it a long time ago, after realizing the truth! AFAIK, coinbase literally sold customers information! Not hacked not leaked but sold! Can you imagine that! Currently, I have been using Binance only, but for P2P purpose only!
Mixer services are always at risk due to their nature and the way the government sees them. They are always hunted by the governments. By creating an account in a mixer and staking money, users are risking losing their money and handing over the data to the government.Yes, that's true, the services that offer privacy often get seized by authorities and if they somehow log user data then that data can be in hands of government when such services are seized and taken down by authorities like SEC. It's always better to only use the mixers that doesn't have any such requirements, and to be honest, I haven't seen any mixer asking to create an account in order to mix Bitcoin.
Do you mean to register a new account or do you have an account in the mixing service, if you have an account then it means that they know or record the previous transactions or in other words avoid using that mixer. and Unijoin was not asking to create an account.I never heard about mixers asking users to create any accounts, unless that is used only for earning some percentage reward from ref links.
I guess he's probably talking about mixers which are actually wallets with built-in mixers. They have the option to receive and send coins, just like an ordinary wallet, but they also let you mix your coins so you have privacy. It's not necessarily a trap since the mixing part could not be logging the in and out of coins, but still... I rather stay on Electrum.Do you mean to register a new account or do you have an account in the mixing service, if you have an account then it means that they know or record the previous transactions or in other words avoid using that mixer. and Unijoin was not asking to create an account.I never heard about mixers asking users to create any accounts, unless that is used only for earning some percentage reward from ref links.
It would be crazy to login every time you have to mix coins, but this is perfect trap to track users 100%.
Yes, that's true, the services that offer privacy often get seized by authorities and if they somehow log user data then that data can be in hands of government when such services are seized and taken down by authorities like SEC. It's always better to only use the mixers that doesn't have any such requirements, and to be honest, I haven't seen any mixer asking to create an account in order to mix Bitcoin.
Have you tried bisq before? https://bisq.network/No. I haven't tried them. I actually tried a lot of these kinds of platforms, and none of them support our regional payment methods, and there are not many local users. This is why we are unable to use such great services.
It's decentralized and KYC free, although I'm not sure whether you can do P2P trade here with Bkash, nagad or other regional payment method!
I guess he's probably talking about mixers which are actually wallets with built-in mixers. They have the option to receive and send coins, just like an ordinary wallet, but they also let you mix your coins so you have privacy. It's not necessarily a trap since the mixing part could not be logging the in and out of coins, but still... I rather stay on Electrum.Do you have any examples for wallets with built-in mixers?
I guess he's probably talking about mixers which are actually wallets with built-in mixers. They have the option to receive and send coins, just like an ordinary wallet, but they also let you mix your coins so you have privacy. It's not necessarily a trap since the mixing part could not be logging the in and out of coins, but still... I rather stay on Electrum.Do you have any examples for wallets with built-in mixers?
I think electrum wallet once had did have a plugin that could be used with chipmixer, but there was no accounts or anything like this, and that service is dead.
There are wallets with coinjoins, but that is a different topic.
I don't think people would create an account on mixers if they know the bad side.Well, I'm not sure about others but personally I would never create an account on mixers in order to mix my coins, that's totally against the law of privacy. It's always better to use the mixers that doesn't want any such accounts and Thormixer is one of those and so are other famous and reputed mixers. I also didn't remember using Unijoin but I think I visited their site many time but didn't use their mixing feature.
Do you have any examples for wallets with built-in mixers?I don't remember, but I am pretty sure there was at least one (I remember visiting the website once). I'll see if I can find it, but not even sure if they're still up and working.
I think electrum wallet once had did have a plugin that could be used with chipmixer, but there was no accounts or anything like this, and that service is dead.
There are wallets with coinjoins, but that is a different topic.
Some wallets have coinjoins integrated, such as Samourai and Wasabi. Samourai devs were arrested for money laundry a few months ago (https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/04/24/samourai-wallet-founders-arrested-and-charged-with-money-laundering).I know about that, but coinjoins aer mostly decentralized, except for the part with coordinators in wasabi.
But I don't think that is the case, as coinjoin is not the same as mixer.
Samourai wallet continue to exist via forked wallet called Ashigaru, it is getting regular updates and project is doing fine despite facing many DDoS attacks on their website.Well, then at this moment it's still working as that fork but who knows if authorities will allow that to exist for long term. I personally believe that as long as mixers like Thormixer are present we don't need to rely on coinjoins.
Well, then at this moment it's still working as that fork but who knows if authorities will allow that to exist for long term. I personally believe that as long as mixers like Thormixer are present we don't need to rely on coinjoins.Thormixer with Jambler backend is certainly a good choice, but it is equally necessary to have other Coinjoin options. Authorities have a similar attitude towards Thormixer (or any mixer) as well as towards any coinjoin service. Once coins from groups like Lazarus start being sent to some mixers, it raises red flags with authorities. At least that's been the excuse for every mixer seizure so far.
Once coins from groups like Lazarus start being sent to some mixers, it raises red flags with authorities. At least that's been the excuse for every mixer seizure so far.I don't know if I'm right or not but I think that mixers like Thormixer and other Jambler partner might have a mechanism to block all those addresses that are liked with groups like Lazarus in order to protect themselves from authorities. They might have blacklisted those groups wallet addresses.
Well, then at this moment it's still working as that fork but who knows if authorities will allow that to exist for long term. I personally believe that as long as mixers like Thormixer are present we don't need to rely on coinjoins.Thormixer with Jambler backend is certainly a good choice, but it is equally necessary to have other Coinjoin options. Authorities have a similar attitude towards Thormixer (or any mixer) as well as towards any coinjoin service. Once coins from groups like Lazarus start being sent to some mixers, it raises red flags with authorities. At least that's been the excuse for every mixer seizure so far.
I don't know if I'm right or not but I think that mixers like Thormixer and other Jambler partner might have a mechanism to block all those addresses that are liked with groups like Lazarus in order to protect themselves from authorities. They might have blacklisted those groups wallet addresses.I'm pretty sure that people behind groups like Lazarus know very well how to get around the use of blacklisted addresses. It's a bit unbelievable to me when I see claims that some Bitcoin address belongs to hackers and anyone can see how much balance is on their addresses. So, they are capable of hacking a system and withdrawing huge amounts of Bitcoin, but they struggle a lot to hide those coins.
So, they are capable of hacking a system and withdrawing huge amounts of Bitcoin, but they struggle a lot to hide those coins.
Am I the only one who finds this unusual?
This is a huge amount, you can't just send 100 btc somewhere and hope them to mix or exchange to some other coin easily....I don't see them as ordinary users or as petty scammers from Telegram. After all, it is a group of intelligent people with a good knowledge of the Bitcoin network and coding, plus they have enough money to cover all expenses. I am sure that in a couple of months, they would easily convert 700BTC into a more difficult to track currency or into another Bitcoin without traces.
So, they are capable of hacking a system and withdrawing huge amounts of Bitcoin, but they struggle a lot to hide those coins.I think they can't really hide those coins as all transactions are visible on blockchain and could be tracked by some institutions or they might let those coins so others can see how dangerous hackers they're and others might fear them or they might get attention from media. Who knows what's the reason why they aren't moving those coins but I believe for hackers moving and cleaning of coins isn't a big issue if they are technically good.
Am I the only one who finds this unusual?